#102 长途

你听说过这件事吗？

Have you heard about that?

我听说过这件事。

I have heard about that.

数以百万计的数百万人丧生。

And millions of millions of of millions people died.

除了日本，婴儿出生时就瘫痪或残疾。

And except in Japan, baby babies are born paralyzed and disabled.

那是在我出生前四十五年的事，所以当时我根本没有多少决策权。

That was forty five years before I was born, so I only had so much decision making power when that happened.

听我说。

So listen to me.

那时那些美国人的仁慈在哪里？

You are all that's where was the humanity of those American people that point of time?

明白吗？

Alright?

你在谈论人类。

You're talking about human being.

你没有回答我的问题，反而给了我一些想法。

What you don't have answer of my question, and you are giving me thought.

你给我讲了一大堆关于人类的事情。

You are giving me long speech about the human beings.

我有什么要说什么

I have What do what

别说了。

just don't talk.

我不是一个看。

I'm not a look.

你可以挂电话吗？

You can hang up the phone?

不。

No.

你确实在听我说。

You do listen to me.

这是一场漫长而令人沮丧的对话。

It was a long and very frustrating conversation.

最终，他对我感到厌烦，挂断了电话，就像他们一贯做的那样。

And eventually, he got tired of me and hung up, just like they always do.

大约五分钟后，我正准备离开演播室，这时演播室的电话响了。

And I would say under five minutes later, I was getting ready to leave the studio, and the phone the studio phone rang.

喂？

Hello?

是的。

Yeah.

你好。

Hi.

你是亚历克斯·戈德曼吗？

Is that Alex Goldman?

是的。

Yeah.

嘿。

Hey.

最近怎么样？

What's up?

又是亚历克斯·马丁。

It was Alex Martin again.

是的。

Yeah.

嗨，亚历克斯。

Hi, Alex.

你好吗？

How are you?

很好。

Good.

你是个骗子。

You're a liar.

你什么意思？

What do you mean?

你为什么说你的名字是拉斯特·萨维奇？

Why you said your name is Rusty Savage?

我叫亚历克斯。

My name's Alex.

我知道。

I know that.

那么，亚历克斯，最近怎么样？

So how's it going, Alex?

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

很棒，伙计。

Great, buddy.

很好。

Great.

你骗了我。

You you fooled me.

你捉弄我了，你知道吗？

You got me, you know?

这真让人尴尬，伙计。

And it's embarrassing, buddy.

谢谢你回我电话，兄弟。

I appreciate you calling me back, man.

是的。

Yeah.

我确实打了。

I did.

我再也不想跟骗过我的人说话。

I I I never want to talk to a person who fooled me.

我的天啊。

My goodness.

我不知道该怎么对你感觉。

I don't know how I felt for you.

所以我和我谈话的那个人非常愤慨，非常生气。

So the guy who I was talking to was really indignant and super mad.

他真的是第三方公司吗？还是只是你们同一家公司的员工？

Is he actually a third party company, is he just part of the same company you're He

他不是第三方公司。

wasn't a third party company.

他只是坐在我旁边的一个普通人。

He's a he's just a third person sitting next to me.

当然。

Of course.

天哪。

Oh, man.

你在谷歌上是个名人，你知道吗？

You're a famous personality on Google, you know?

所以你只要搜一下你的名字就

So you just Google your name and

你看到的是一个发型滑稽、头顶半秃、身材肥胖、戴着眼镜、露出奇怪笑容的家伙吗？

you got a silly looking guy having a half bald hairs, big fat and wearing spectacles, having a weird smile?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我确实有。你是同性恋吗？

I do Are have you gay?

你笑得真奇怪。

Do have a weird smile.

不知道。

Don't know.

我的意思是，是的。

I mean, I'm Yeah.

你笑得真奇怪。

You have a very weird smile.

这挺像我的。

It's kind of me.

亲一下，马上过来亲我。

Kiss, come and kiss me right away.

我不想亲你。

I don't wanna kiss you.

当然了。

But I Of course.

谢天谢地。

Thank God.

谢天谢地。

Thank God.

幸好你不想亲我。

Thank God you don't want to.

什么

What

你平时做什么消遣？

do you do for fun?

我是个黑客。

I'm a hacker.

只要是让我生气的事，我都会黑掉它。

Whatever stuff, like, piss me off, I hack it.

所以你要黑我吗？

So are you gonna hack me?

嗯，我会这么做吗？

Well, would I be doing that?

你从来不会惹我生气。

You never piss me.

哦，那很好。

Oh, well, that's good.

我担心我可能惹你生气了。

I was worried that I might have made you mad.

我的意思是，你两分钟前还说我胖。

I mean, you did call me fat two minutes ago.

不，伙计。

No, buddy.

我只是，只是……

I was just well, just

我只是在开玩笑。

for I was just kidding.

好的。

Okay.

不错。

Cool.

不错。

Cool.

好的。

Cool.

好的。

Cool.

这对我来说意义重大。

That means a lot to me.

是的。

Yeah.

你做什么你做什么

What do you what do

你做什么？

you do?

你做什么？

What do you do?

你的业余爱好是什么？

Like, what do you do for fun?

弹吉他。

Play guitar.

玩电子游戏。

Play video games.

你玩什么游戏？

What games do you play?

嗯，你知道，问题在这里。

Well, you know, here's the problem.

我有一台旧电脑。

I have an old computer.

你你你懂的。

You you you know.

你们 guys 已经用过很多次了。

You've you guys have been on it plenty

很多次了。

of times.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我主要在Steam上玩，但 mostly 玩一些老游戏，比如《团队要塞2》，我很喜欢这类游戏。

And it I play I play a lot on on Steam, but I mostly play like older games, like Team Fortress two, I like a lot, stuff like that.

你玩什么？

What do

你玩什么？

you play?

你玩什么？

What do I play?

《反恐精英》。

Counter Strike.

更多车？

More car?

你《反恐精英》玩得怎么样？

Are you good at Counter Strike?

还不错。

Pretty good.

我超厉害的。

I'm hell good.

我这游戏打得很差。

I suck at that game.

我这游戏打得很差。

I suck at that game.

你打得烂吗？

You suck it?

因为

Because

我不知道。

I don't know.

我喜欢我喜欢Would

I like I like Would

你介意我给你回个电话吗？

you would you really mind if I call you back?

你知道的。

You know?

马上吗？

Right away?

我给你快速回个电话。

I give you a quick callback.

你介意吗？

Would you mind?

为什么？

Why?

他没有回电话。

He didn't call back.

你觉得这个人多大年纪？

How old do you think this person was?

这就像初中生或高中生的恐同心理。

That is like the homophobia of a junior high schooler or a high schooler.

他告诉我他22岁。

He told me he was 22.

他还是个孩子。

He's a kid.

我不断打回客服中心找亚历克斯，但再也联系不上他了。

And I kept calling the call center back asking for Alex, but I couldn't get him again.

就好像他完全消失了。

It was like he totally vanished.

到这个时候，客服中心的每个人都开始对我避而不见。

By this point, everyone at the call center was just stonewalling me.

他们彻底不想理我了，但我还没完。

Like, they were totally done with me, But I was not done with them.

我决心要弄清楚这些人的底细，而且我手头还有一条线索。

I was determined to figure these guys out, and I had a piece of evidence to go on.

那个网站，QuickPC Resolve。

That website, QuickPC Resolve.

欢迎回到节目。

Welcome back to the show.

所以，PJ，这个故事在复杂性和信息密度上已经急剧膨胀了。

So, PJ, this story has, like, ballooned in terms of its complexity and density.

因此，从一开始，我就一直在和制作人达米亚诺·马尔凯蒂一起做研究。

And so I have, since the beginning, basically, been working with producer Damiano Marchetti on research.

他现在就在演播室里。

He is in the studio right now.

嗨，PJ。

Hi, PJ.

嘿，达米亚诺。

Hey, Damiano.

所以你还记得，在广告前，我们有一个线索，就是这个网站：QuickPC Resolve。

So you'll remember that before the break, we have one piece of evidence to go on, which is this website, QuickPC Resolve.

是的

Uh-huh.

我们查询了QuickPC Resolve的Whois记录，发现了一些与之关联的姓名。

We looked up the Who is record for QuickPC Resolve, and we found a couple of names associated with it.

当我们进一步查看这些人是否拥有其他网站时，发现了一整套与Quick PC Resolve外观完全相同的诈骗技术支持网站。

And when we checked to see if those people had any other websites, we found this whole great constellation of scammy tech support websites that looked exactly like Quick PC Resolve.

明白了。

Got it.

但有一个与这些人相关的网站与众不同。

But there was one website that was associated with these guys that was different.

是哪一个？

Which was?

是

It was

一个叫做accostings.com的网站。

this website called accostings.com.

Accostings？

Accostings?

就像‘骚扰’某人的意思？

Like, to accost someone?

作为一个网站名字，这真有点奇怪，

It's a weird name for a website,

作为公司名字就更奇怪了。

even weirder name for a company.

这家公司的名字叫Acostings Infotech Private Limited。

The company is called Acostings Infotech Private Limited.

明白了。

Okay.

当我们去看这个网站时，发现它和我们之前见过的其他网站完全不同。

And when we go and look at the website, it's so different than the other ones we've seen.

它明确写着这是一个呼叫中心，并且在新德里的Club Road有一个看起来真实的地址。

It says very clearly that it's a call center, and has what looks like a real address on Club Road in New Delhi.

它有一个真实的印度电话号码。

It has a real Indian phone number.

不是像其他所有公司那样的1800免费电话。

Not a 1800 number like all the other ones have.

所以我们想，这是母公司吗？

And so we're like, is this like the parent company?

也就是说，所有这些诈骗都是从这个地方发起的吗？

Like, is this the place where all of these scams are coming from?

喂？

Hello?

为了弄清楚这一点，我直接拨打了Acostings网站上的电话号码。

So in order to figure that out, I just called the number on the Acosting's website.

你好。

Hi.

我想找技术支持。

I'm trying to reach technical support.

是的。

Yep.

先生，我能怎么帮您？

How can I help you, sir?

为了确认一下，这是QuickPC Resolve吗？

Just to be clear, this is QuickPC Resolve?

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

这是QuickPC Resolve，先生。

It's a QuickPC Resolve, sir.

完全正确。

Absolutely correct.

非常感谢。

Thank you very much.

然后，我去了所有其他的网站。

And so then, I went to all the other websites.

我打了所有其他1800电话，问他们是不是QuickPC Resolve，他们都说是。

I called all the other 1800 numbers and asked them if they were quick PC resolve, and they all said yes.

我们去哪个网站都无所谓。

It doesn't matter which one of these websites we go to.

我们打哪个号码都无所谓。

It doesn't matter which number we call.

它们都会转到同一个呼叫中心。

They're all going to the same call center.

是同一家公司。

It's the same company.

就是这家叫Acostings的公司。

It's this company, Acostings.

于是我们开始调查Acostings，有一个名字反复出现。

And so we started researching Acostings, and there was this one name that kept popping up over and over again.

这个名字，卡马尔·维尔马。

This name, Kamal Verma.

我当时就想，这人是谁？

And I was like, who is this guy?

于是我开始给客服中心打电话，找他。

So I just started calling the call center and asking for him.

感谢您拨打高级技术支持热线。

Thank you for calling premium technical support.

请问有什么可以帮您？

How may I help you?

是的。

Yeah.

我想找卡马尔·维尔马。

I'm trying to reach Kamal Verma.

我叫亚历克斯·戈德曼。

My name is Alex Goldman.

我经常给你们打电话。

I call you guys pretty regularly.

他在吗？

Is he there?

喂？

Hello?

是的。

Yeah.

我在找卡马尔·维尔马。

Trying to reach Kamal Verma.

请不要再给我们打电话了。

Please stop calling us.

在我得到我关心的答案之前，我不会停下来的。

I'm not going to until I sort of get the answers that I'm interested in.

好的。

Okay.

那你就继续打给我们吧。

Then keep calling us.

继续打给我们。

Keep calling us.

你知道吗？

You know what?

你是个混蛋。

You are an asshole.

你说什么？

What do you are?

你是个混蛋。

You are an asshole.

你是个混蛋。

You are an asshole.

你为什么这么说？

Why would you say that?

因为

Because

你是个混蛋。

you are an asshole.

但为什么

But why

你对此一无所知吗？

You don't know about it?

你今天想说什么？

What's your point today?

谁是谁

Who is who

来吧，我不知道。

is come come on, I don't know.

你能让我和他联系吗？

Can you put me in touch with him?

做一件事。

Do one thing.

请耐心一下。

Just bear with me.

请等我一分钟。

Bear with me for one minute.

喂？

Hello?

嗨。

Hi.

是的。

Yeah.

先生，这是打错的电话。

This is a wrong number, sir.

不是。

No.

不是的。

It isn't.

我知道这不是打错的电话。

I know it's not a wrong number.

是的。

Yeah.

我要去吃晚饭。

I'm going for a dinner.

再见。

Bye bye.

所以我根本没取得任何进展。

So I didn't really get anywhere.

但在最后一次通话中，你能隐约听到背景里有几个人在说印地语。

But on that last call, you can hear a couple people speaking in Hindi faintly in the background.

于是我请了吉梅尔另一档节目《科学VS》的制片人舒丽·拉文德兰来录音室听一下，她会说印地语，看看能不能帮我翻译。

So I got Shruti Ravindran, who is a producer on another Gimlet show, Science Versus, and also speaks Hindi, to come into the studio and listen to see if she could translate for me.

DVS？

DVS?

我觉得

I think

所以那个人说，他一直打电话，还把这事儿扯到印度教，提到卡马尔先生的名字。

so the person said, he keeps calling and he's taking this is a Hinduism, taking Kamal sir's name.

我的意思是，他声称不认识这个人，但却用了尊敬的称呼来叫他。

I mean, he professed to not know this guy, but he used like a respectful term to call him.

所以他其实是认识他的，然后我认为，到最后，他跟对方说这是一通打错的电话。

So he does recognize him and then I think he was proposing by the end the other person that he spoke to was proposing by the end to say it was a wrong number.

所以舒丽蒂告诉我们，这些人用的是对卡马尔表示尊敬的称呼，就像对上级说话时用的词。

So Shruti told us that these guys are using a term of respect for Kamal, like a term that you would use for superior.

所以我们很确定卡马尔是某家公司的老板。

And so we're pretty sure that Kamal is the boss of a costings.

达米亚诺开始深入调查这个人。

And Damiano starts to dig really deep on this guy.

是的

Yeah.

我开始对他进行大量调查。

I started doing tons of research on him.

我找到了他的Facebook主页，上面当然有很多照片。

I find his Facebook page, which, of course, has all these pictures on it.

我想给你们看其中一张。

And I wanna show you one of them.

所以Kamal和那些大人物喜欢去一家叫‘Chug It’的酒吧？

So Kamal and, like, all the bigwigs, think, they like to go to this bar called Chug It?

Chug It？

Chug It?

就在办公室街对面。

Down down the street from from the office.

Kamal是左边第二个。

Kamal is the second from the left.

哦，他看起来像个老板。

Oh, he looks like the boss.

是的。

Yeah.

他看起来像个硬汉。

He looks like a tough guy.

对吧？

Right?

我的意思是，他跟其他人不一样，其他人看起来都稍微有点邋遢。

He I mean, he's just like he's got, like everybody everybody who's not him is, like, a little bit, like, schlumpier.

就像，我不知道。

Like, I don't know.

他留着一种很索拉尼风格的发型，衣服也更有品位一些。

He's got, like, a very Solani haircut, and, like, his clothes are a little bit more fashionable.

他是，是的。

He's yeah.

他看起来就是个老板。

He just looks like the boss.

完全没错。

Totally.

几周以来，亚历克斯一直给呼叫中心打电话，要求找卡马尔。

So for weeks, Alex was calling the call center and asking for Kamal.

与此同时，我简直想知道更多关于这个呼叫中心——科斯廷斯的事情。

In the meantime, like, I was dying to know more about this call center, Costings.

喂？

Hello?

喂？

Hello?

是的。

Yeah.

嗨，达米亚诺。

Hi, Damiano.

你好。

Hi.

你怎么样？

How are you?

我开始寻找那些在LinkedIn或Facebook上列出Costings公司经历的前员工。

I started to find former employees who listed a Costings on their LinkedIn or their Facebook.

是的。

Yeah.

那这个人是谁？

So who's this?

我们几乎采访的每个人都说，我可以谈，但请不要使用我的名字。

Almost everyone we interviewed said, I'll talk, but please don't use my name.

你是什么时候在那里工作的？

When was it that you worked there?

我在那里工作了两年，担任销售。

I worked there for two years working as a salesperson Mhmm.

从2009年到2011年。

Between 2009 to 2011.

所以这个人告诉我，当亚历克斯和我给Costings打电话时，我们联系的大多数人都是年轻人。

So this guy explained to me that when Alex and I are calling at Costings, most of the people that we're talking to are super young.

这可能是他们第一份工作。

Like, this is probably their first job.

他们中的大多数是来自印度东部和东北部的学生，比如曼尼普尔人。

Most of them are students who belongs to Eastern, Northeastern part of India Mhmm.

像曼尼普尔之类的。

Like Manipuri and all.

他们的英语水平比印度其他地区的人要好一些。

They have a bit sound knowledge of English, like Mhmm.

如果与其他印度地区相比的话。

At if compared with any other part of India.

哦。

Oh.

他们的口音其实挺容易听懂的，我觉得。

Like, their accent is quite understandable, I guess so.

那是不是因为那是印度比较贫穷的地区，所以更容易招到人？

Is it like a poorer part of India too and that's so it's easier to recruit people?

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

确实是。

It is.

所以实际情况是，这些孩子很多时候来自这些小型的乡村小镇。

So what happens is, like, these kids, they come from these, like, small rural towns a lot of the time.

他们来到大城市，以为自己找到了一份普通而正直的工作。

They get to the big city, and they get what they think is just like a normal, honest job.

我被录用时，他们告诉我，他们有一套正规的流程。

When I was hired with them, they told me they have a legitimate process with them.

所以你刚入职时，他们说你们和苹果有正规的流程。

So when you started, they said, we have a legitimate process with Apple.

没错。

That's right.

但不久之后，我就意识到这里有些不对劲。

But, sooner and later, I I got to know that this was something, you know, fishy going on.

你一起工作的同事中，有没有人公开承认他们在搞欺诈？还是所有人都装作什么事都没发生？

Did anybody that you worked with was anybody that you worked with open about the fact that they were committing fraud, or was everybody did everybody just pretend like that wasn't happening?

你知道，

You know,

有些人其实知道这不对劲，但他们别无选择，只能靠这个生存。

there were people who know that this is not good happening, but it's just that there was no other option to, you know, survive.

他们不得不这么做。

They have to do it.

对。

Right.

因为如果他们不这么做，就必须回到家乡，待在那里，而那里根本没有工作。

Because if they if they will not do it, then they have to go back to their hometown and stay there and there is no job there.

我告诉你主要原因。

I'll you the I'll tell you the main reason.

我的意思是，我离开那家公司的原因是因为他们一再拖延发我的工资。

I mean, the reason why I left that company because there was a fight for they were, like, delaying my salary again and again.

真的吗？

Really?

他们不给你发工资？

They weren't paying you?

是的，绝对如此。

Yeah, absolutely.

我的情况不是个例。

I mean, it's not with me.

他们对每个人都这样。

It's like they were doing with everybody.

我也遇到了同样的情况。

The same thing happened with me as well.

当我向他们索要欠我的工资时，他们却完全拒绝，说他们无法支付。

I did not receive my money when I asked them that they owe my money and they need to pay me, but they completely said no, that they cannot pay.

女士，我可以把这些信息都告诉你，但请你务必不要泄露我的名字，因为如果他们知道是我告诉你的，就会来找我麻烦。

Ma'am, I can give you all this information, but make sure you don't, you know, disclose my name because, you know, they would be asking me if they get to know that, you know, I gave you all this information.

好的。

Okay.

我可以为你保密。

I can keep you anonymous.

后来我意识到，当我在这个公司待了两个月后，我发现这些人的收入其实很高。

What I realized later on, you know, when I was there in the company for two months, you know, I realized because these guys are earning good amount of money.

明白吗？

Okay?

所以，如果你反对他们，或者告诉他们实际情况，他们真的可能对你做出一些有害的事情。

So, you know, they can do anything to you in terms of if you go against them or if you tell them this is what is going on, you know, they can really do something harmful against you.

你什么意思？

What do you mean?

他们到底给了你什么样的威胁？

What what what kind of threats did they they give you?

如果他们知道我把你我的信息给了你，他们手里有我的简历、家庭住址和所有资料。

If they get to know, you know, you know, that I have given you my information, they have my resume, my home address with them, and everything.

他们还有我的电话号码等等。

They have my phone number and everything.

所以，他们可能会派警察去我家，说我是偷了他们的数据或公司信息之类的。

So, you know, they might, you know, send cops to my place and tell them that I have, you know, stolen their data or their company information and all that stuff.

我明白了。

I see.

所以，这家公司看起来工作环境相当危险。

So accosting seems like a pretty precarious place to work.

人们告诉我们，这里的人员流动率非常高。

People told us that turnover, they're super high.

人们不断辞职或被解雇，这解释了我一直感到疑惑的一件事，那就是我们最早接触的亚历克斯·马丁。

People are quitting or getting fired all the time, which explains something that I'd been wondering about for a while, which was Alex Martin, the first guy that we talked to.

他突然完全消失了。

He had just completely vanished.

我推测他很可能辞职了，或者被开除了。

And it seemed likely to me that he probably quit or got fired.

我们还了解到另一件非常有趣的事，那就是Acostings公司最初并不是这样的。

And we learned something else really interesting, which is that Acostings, it didn't start out this way.

它并不一直这么可疑。

Like, it didn't always it wasn't always so sketchy.

他们最初是作为一家真正的技术支持公司成立的，帮助人们解决各种问题。

They actually started the company as, like, a real tech support company, and they were helping people with their problems.

但几年后，他们似乎开始想：有没有更好的方式来获取业务？

And then, like, a couple years in, it seems like what happened is that they were like, you know what would be a better way of getting business?

与其像这样随机打电话给陌生人，说‘嘿’。

Instead of calling people like, cold calling people and saying, hey.

也许你将来某天会感染病毒。

Maybe you'll get a virus sometime in the future.

比如说，你现在就感染了病毒。

Say, you have a virus right now.

没错。

Exactly.

然后付给我们300美元。

And pay us $300.

一旦你付钱让我们清除你电脑上所谓的病毒，我们还会继续为你提供技术支持。

Once you pay us to get rid of the virus that you supposedly have on your computer, we'll also support you in the future and be your tech support company.

所以他们在撒谎，但仍在销售一个真实的产品。

So they're lying, but they're still selling a real product.

他们在撒谎。

They're lying.

没错。

Exactly.

这仅仅是一种招揽生意的手段。

It's just a way of drumming up business.

你从一个本地安保公司，变成了那种让人觉得‘要是这儿出了事可就糟了’的人。

You go from being, like, the local security guard company to being the guy who's like, it'd be a shame if anything happened here.

没错。

Exactly.

而且，我们一直觉得这家公司离我们非常遥远。

And, you know, the whole time we thought about this company as being very remote from us.

就像有一群人在遥远的地方试图诈骗我们数千英里之外的钱。

Like, a bunch of people in a room trying to scam us thousands of miles away.

但我们与一位曾经在那里工作过的人交谈后，才意识到他们的影响力遍及全球。

But we talked to someone who used to work there who made us realize that their reach extends across the globe.

所以他们告诉我，他们通过美国的支票收款。

So what they told me that they were taking payments through check-in US.

我也知道他们收款所用的公司名称。

I know the name of the company on which they were taking the checks as well.

这家公司的名字是MSS营销有限责任公司，位于宾夕法尼亚州。

The name of the company is MSS Marketing LLC, and it's in Pennsylvania.

我打电话给了经营这家公司的女人，她说对。

I I called the woman who runs it, and she said, yes.

我以前为Costings收过款，但她声称几个月前就已经关闭了MSS营销公司。

I used to take payments for a costings, but she claims that she shut MSS marketing down months ago.

有意思。

Interesting.

所以每次有人在电话里被国外的人骗了，或者也不一定每次都是这样。

So every time someone gets scammed on the phone by someone in another country or not maybe not every time.

但基本上，如果有人在电话里骗了你，拿走了你的信用卡或其他信息，他们就需要一个在你所在国家有据点的同伙。

But basically, if somebody tricks you on the phone and and takes your credit card or whatever, they need to have a confederate who's actually based in the country that you're in.

没错。

Exactly.

而且这不仅仅发生在美国内部。

And this isn't just happening in The US.

我们找到了一些住在英国布拉德福德的人，他们建立网站和公司，以便为英国的诈骗团伙处理资金。

We found these guys who live in Bradford, England, who are setting up websites and companies so that they can process money for a costings in The UK.

看起来这个诈骗团伙赚了大钱。

And it seems like a costings is making a ton of money.

我们不知道确切的数额，但根据一位前员工告诉我的信息，大概每年有200万美元左右。

We don't know exactly how much, but based on what a former employee told me, probably in the realm of about $2,000,000 a year.

而接我电话的那些人，正被这家公司恐吓着。

And the people who are taking my calls, they're being, like, intimidated by this company.

他们赚不了多少钱。

They're not making a lot of money.

他们被当作垃圾一样对待。

They're being treated like crap.

但像卡马尔这样的人，可能赚得盆满钵满。

But someone like Kamal is probably cleaning up.

所以，基本上，每一个环节

So it's like, basically, like, every piece

你了解到的每一条信息，都让卡马尔看起来更像是一个卡通反派角色。

of information you learn just makes Kamal, like, more and more of a cartoon villain character, basically.

对吧？

Right?

到目前为止，他就是那个大坏蛋。

Like, he is the big bad guy at this point.

没错。

Exactly.

这就是为什么我们无论怎么努力都联系不上他，感到特别沮丧。

Which is why it was so frustrating that we couldn't get him on the phone no matter how hard we tried.

然后，执行制片人蒂姆·霍华德想出了一个疯狂的主意。

And then executive producer Tim Howard came up with a crazy idea.

我能告诉你我的疯狂想法是什么吗？

Can I tell you what my crazy idea would be?

什么？

What?

打电话过去就说，我是卡马尔。

To call and just say, this is Kamal.

你好。

Hi.

我是卡马尔。

This is Kamal.

我

Do I

有没有亚历克斯·戈德曼的消息？

have any messages from Alex Goldman?

是的。

Yeah.

这是蒂姆的主意吗？

Was that Tim's idea?

不是。

No.

蒂姆的疯狂想法是什么？

What was Tim's crazy idea?

蒂姆说，你需要稍微打乱这些人的节奏。

Tim was like, you need to throw these guys off balance a little bit.

你太直来直去了。

Like, you're just being too straightforward.

他们知道你会怎么做。

They know what to expect from you.

他们可以只是挂在那里。

They can just hang

盯着你。

up on you.

是的。

Yeah.

你为什么不拿一张在Facebook上找到的他们的照片，设为桌面背景，然后让他们连接到你的电脑？

Why don't you take one of the photos you found of them on Facebook, make it your desktop background, and then have them connect to your computer?

这太诡异了。

That's so creepy.

这太棒了。

That's great.

太疯狂了。

It's nuts.

等等。

Wait.

所以你还记得那个，是的。

So do you remember that Yeah.

所以当他们打电话时，他们会远程连接，然后搞一些假的，比如你有鸟之类的把戏。

So so when they call, they, like, remote in, and they do, like, the fake, like, you have birds thing or whatever.

你有一匹特罗贡马。

You've got a Trogon horse.

所以你的计划是，当他们远程连接到你的电脑时，只会看到一张他们自己微笑合影的照片。

And so your plan is, like, when they remote into your computer, they're just gonna see, like, a smiling picture of themselves hanging out.

是的

Yeah.

但不只是

But not just

一张他们自己微笑的照片。

a smiling picture of themselves.

是一张他们老板微笑的照片。

It's a smiling picture of, like, their bosses.

所以这是一个非常非常搞笑的计划。

So this is a very, very funny plan.

那后来怎么样了？

So what happened?

所以我打了个电话，接电话的是个我不认识的家伙，我们就按常规流程走，他远程连接到我的电脑，你知道的。

So I call up, and some guy I don't recognize answers, and we just start going through the routine where he gets on my computer, you know.

您的Mac电脑将连接到我们的安全服务器，之后我们将对该电脑进行诊断。

Your Mac computer is going to connect to our secure server, and after that, we are going to run a diagnose on that.

好的。

Okay.

一个小小的框出现在右下角。

The a little box showed up in the lower right hand corner.

它显示

It says

是的。

Yeah.

请加入会话。

Please join session.

点击

Click on

好的。

Okay.

连接。

Connect.

我开始了。

Here I go.

对。

Yep.

是的，先生。

Yes, sir.

然后我把屏幕上所有东西都最小化，只留下桌面上的图片。

And then I minimize everything on my screen, leaving only the picture on the desktop.

现在我们连接得很好了。

Now we are well connected.

好的。

Okay.

等一下。

Wait a second.

他还在线吗

Is he still on

你的电脑？

your computer?

我想他挂断了。

I think he hung up.

喂？

Hello?

喂？

Hello?

请在线，先生。

Be online, sir.

请在线。

Be online.

名字。

Name.

亚历克斯。

Alex.

哦

Oh

我的天

my god.

哦我的天

Oh my god.

哦我的天

Oh my god.

他在干什么

What's he doing on

你的电脑上？

your computer?

在线。

Be online.

在线。

Be online.

他正在做什么？

What's he doing?

我的

My

我的心跳得很快。

heart is beating so fast.

是的。

Yeah.

非常感谢您在线，先生。

Thank you so much for being online, sir.

我是亚历山大·马丁。

This is Alexander Martin.

你今天怎么样？

How are you doing today?

嘿，亚历克斯·马丁。

Hey, Alex Martin.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

我很好，先生。

I'm doing great, sir.

您呢？

How are you?

我还不错。

I'm good.

有什么新鲜事？

What's up?

我很好。

I'm doing great.

非常感谢你的关心。

Thanks a lot for asking.

先生，您今天过得怎么样？

How's your day going, sir?

还不错。

Pretty good.

谢谢。

Thanks.

那很好。

That's good.

太棒了。

That's wonderful.

这是之前我聊过的亚历克斯·马丁吗？

Is this the Alex Martin that I talked to a while back?

我是亚历克斯·戈德曼。

This is Alex Goldman.

是的。

Yeah.

就是同一个亚历克斯·马丁。

That's the same Alex Martin.

所以你还记得我？

So you remember me?

最近怎么样，老兄？

How's it going, man?

我好几个星期都在试图联系你。

I've been trying to get in touch with you for weeks.

天哪。

My goodness.

我出去了一周，去泰国度假了。

I was out for a week, and I was in Thailand on my vacation.

你最近在忙什么？

What have you been up to?

你觉得我的桌面背景怎么样？

Did you what do you think of my desktop background?

他们是谁？

Who are they?

我不认识他们。

I don't recognize them.

他们是谁？

Who are they?

别开玩笑了。

Give me a break.

拜托，老兄。

Come on, man.

我可没那么傻。

I know better than that.

真的吗？

Seriously?

你是他们中的一员吗？

Like, are are you one of them?

你是谁？

Who are you?

所以，亚历克斯，老兄，我一直在试着联系你。

So, Alex, dude, I've been trying to get in touch with you, man.

我学到了很多关于快速解决电脑问题、骚扰事件、信息技术，以及在那里工作或曾经在那里工作的人的事情。

I've been learning a lot about quick PC resolve and accostings, infotech, and sort of like people who work there, people who used to work there.

但我担心你可能被裁员了之类的。

But I was worried that you might have gotten canned or something.

很高兴听到你的声音。

It's glad I'm glad to hear your voice.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那你现在到底想要什么？

So what exactly you want now?

首先，我只是想知道你最近怎么样。

Well, I just wanted to know how you were doing, first of all.

其次

Second of all