中国短视频应用迎来改版

讨论让世界运转不息。

Discussion keeps the world turning.

这里是圆桌会议。您正在收听的是圆桌会议节目。我是史蒂夫·哈瑟利，今天与星和雨欣共同主持。接下来我们将探讨：您的短视频应用正面临身份危机——上一秒还在观看热门片段，下一秒就莫名进入与陌生人的随机视频聊天。

This is Roundtable. You're listening to Roundtable. I'm Steve Hatherly joined today by Xing and Yuxin. Coming up, your short video app is having an identity crisis. One minute you're watching a viral clip and the next you're in a random video chat with a stranger.

这些平台已不再仅供观看。它们正全力押注我们更愿意交谈而非仅仅点赞。这是真正的社交革命，还是将我们锁在屏幕前的新花招？我们将深入解析。之后，最新职场趋势无关效率，而与汗水有关——

These platforms aren't just for watching anymore. They're aggressively betting that we'd rather talk than just tap like. Is this genuine social a genuine social revolution or perhaps just a clever new way to keep us locked to our screens? We'll break it down. After that, the latest workplace trend isn't about productivity, it's about sweat.

我们将探讨为何中国职场人士正在物理重构工作空间，以及这揭示了健康与奋斗之间怎样的现代关系。播客听众可在Apple Podcasts搜索'圆桌中国'找到我们。别忘了，我们渴望听到您的声音——请将您对节目中任何议题的语音见解发送给我们，方法如下：

We'll look at why Chinese professionals are physically rebuilding their workspaces and what it reveals about the modern relationship between health and hustle. Our podcast listeners can find us at Roundtable China on Apple Podcasts. And don't forget, we love hearing your voice as well. So please do send us your voice notes with any of the thoughts that you may have on any of the issues that we discuss here on Roundtable. Here's how you do that.

发送至qq.com的圆桌会议播客邮箱。重复一遍：qq.com的圆桌会议播客邮箱。不知您是否注意到，近来短视频平台氛围已悄然改变——不仅是新滤镜或剪辑工具这类表象，而是某种更深层的转变，社交属性正日益凸显。

Roundtable podcast at qq.com. Once again, roundtable podcast at qq.com. And now, you might have noticed short form video platforms feel a little different lately. Not just new filters or edit editing tools or things like that, but it feels like something a little bit deeper. It's starting to feel more social.

比如打开应用时，朋友的面孔突然出现在热门短视频中；或是跳入随机聊天室结交新朋友。这背后究竟在发生什么？中国头部短视频平台是想转型为新一代社交应用，还是仅仅在寻找让我们持续滑动与交谈的新方式？我虽未亲身体验，但已听闻相关情况，公众反应尚难预料...不过我们稍后再详谈，首先来弄清现状。

Like you open the app and suddenly your friends faces show up amidst the viral short videos, or you jump into a random chatting room to make some new friends. So what's really going on here? Are China's biggest short video platforms trying to become the next chatting applications or just finding new ways to keep us scrolling and talking. I haven't used these just yet, but I've heard exactly what it's all about, and it seems a little bit I don't know what the public reaction would be to this. But first, we'll talk about that later, but first, let's find out exactly what's going on.

确实。就我个人而言，我也不是抖音或快手用户。嗯。但抖音和快手作为中国两大短视频平台，近期全面升级了社交功能，正朝着类似微信朋友圈的方向发展——你们都知道微信朋友圈吧。

Yeah. Personally, I'm not a Douyin or Kuaishou user either. Mhmm. But, Douyin and Kuaishou, these are two of China's largest, short video platforms, and they have recently comprehensively upgraded their social features to so that they are heading towards more like WeChat moments. You you guys know WeChat moments.

当然。是啊。知道吗？

Sure. Yeah. Know that?

是的。我们之前在圆桌会议上讨论过。我想大家都知道。但以防你不知道，微信朋友圈有点像你Facebook上的动态更新，对吧？

Yep. We've talked about it on Roundtable before. Everybody knows, I think. But just in case you don't, WeChat moments is like it's like your Facebook update for your messenger, kind of. Right?

你的朋友，只要是你在微信上添加的人，都能看到你发的照片或短视频。但不同之处在于，微信或其他通讯应用里，这类内容更像是附带功能。而过去的短视频平台只专注于短视频。意味着那些视频是公开给所有人看的，但现在情况有些变化了。

Your friends, whoever you are friends with on week WeChat can see the photos or short videos that you've taken. But the difference here is that with WeChat or other messenger applications, yeah, there's kind of like a side tool where you can see those types of things, but short form video platforms in the past were only short form video Yes. Meaning those videos were put up there for everyone to see, but now things are changing a little bit.

没错。现在它们不仅把你的视频展示给陌生人，还会推送给部分朋友或特定人群。嗯。所以这类短视频平台正在转变——过去我们只是刷视频或发自己的作品，如今变得更像社交网络，更偏向于和熟人之间的私密分享。

Yeah. Now they are not just showing your videos to a bunch of strangers, but to some of your friends or to some people that you want to show, share these videos with. Mhmm. So that's how these type of short video platforms, especially in the past, normally, we're we're just scrolling through these short videos or just post your own videos. But nowadays, it's becoming more it's it's more like social networking and private sharing towards that you are connecting with people you actually know.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以它正在这些短视频平台上构建你自己的朋友圈。

So it's building a kind of your own friend circle within these short video platform.

对。聊天功能一直存在于这些短视频平台，比如你可以把视频分享给互相关注的朋友。但这个新功能更像是让短视频平台变得更像即时通讯应用

Yeah. So the chat feature has always been there on these short video platforms like you can share the short videos in the app with your friends if you're, like, following each other. But this new feature is more like they are trying to make the short video platform more like messaging app

嗯。

Mhmm.

这样你就可以在这个应用上建立整个朋友圈。这就是我的想法。他们试图，比如说，创建另一个平台——其中一些正在为这些聊天功能打造另一个平台，有些则直接集成在应用内。他们这么做是为了吸引用户在这个应用上停留更长时间。

So that you can build your whole friend circle on this app. So that's what I was thinking. They are trying to, let's say, create another some of them are creating another platform for these chatting features. Some of them are in the app. So they are doing the thing that to attract their users to stay on this app longer.

应用程序。是的。这对任何应用都适用，对吧？任何平台都不希望你离开。

Applications. Yeah. And this is true for any app. Right? Any platform, they don't want you they don't want you leaving.

是的。

Yes.

要知道，Facebook不希望你跳转到YouTube，YouTube也不希望你回到Facebook。确实如此。所以他们试图鼓励你留在那里。说到这些平台，至少以Facebook为例，情况有些不同却又在某些方面相似。

Know, Facebook doesn't want you going to YouTube, and YouTube doesn't want you going to Facebook. Exactly. Yeah. So they try to encourage you to stay there. And speaking of those, or at least Facebook, there's I guess it's a little bit diff different but yet somehow similar.

不过Facebook的不同之处在于，你可以选择谁能看到你的帖子，可以设为公开、仅限好友或自定义列表，但这更像是一个被动功能，而且藏在设置里不太显眼，发帖时不会自动显示。Instagram也是另一个热门分享平台，在那里你可以公开发布故事或仅限密友查看，但无法为常规动态逐条自定义可见性。但微信朋友圈有点不同，每次发帖都能设置，这一点很特别。

On Facebook though, the difference is you can choose who sees your post, meaning you can set it to public or you can set it to your friends or customized list, but it's kind of more of a passive feature and it's kind of also buried in the settings a little bit. It doesn't automatically appear when you post. And then Instagram too, that's another popular posting place, but there you can either post publicly or to your close friends in your stories, but you can't customize visibility post by post for your regular feed. But this is a little bit different, particularly when we're talking about WeChat moments. You can do that each time you post and there's something about it there.

所以你之前提到的两个平台，抖音和快手，他们正在添加这些功能——我说对了吗？快手。差不多。他们添加这些功能，是想复制微信朋友圈已有的模式吗？

So those two platforms that you mentioned before, Douyen and Kaisho, so they're adding the did I say that correctly? Kaisho. Almost. So they're adding these features, meaning that they're trying to recreate this are they trying to recreate what WeChat moments already is?

我认为有些功能非常相似。

I think some of the functions are quite similar.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但抖音这边有个新功能，就是日常创作入口。在你的头像右下角会有一个小小的加号。

But on one hand, for Douyin, they have this new daily creation entry. So on your profile picture, there's a small plus symbol just at the lower right bottom side.

对，所以它没有被埋没在设置里。

Yeah. So it's it's not buried in the settings Yeah.

是的，这样你随时随地想分享什么，只需点击加号就能立即发布信息、照片或视频。你可以设置这些帖子的可见时限，比如24小时、3天或7天，对朋友可见，或者有更灵活的隐私选项。还会有一个彩色圆环提醒好友你发布了内容。

It's buried. Yeah. So you can quickly, whenever, wherever you want to share something, you can just click the plus button and just share this information or photos or videos instantly. And then you can set the time limit for these posts, whether it's twenty four hours or three days or seven days to your friends or you you just have a more flexible privacy options for this. And there's also a colored ring to remind your friends that you have posted something.

我觉得这就像Facebook。你在Facebook发故事时，头像会有个蓝色圆环。抖音也一样，发帖后头像会出现蓝、绿或紫色圆环。好友点击观看视频后，圆环就会消失。

So it means I think it's just like Facebook. When you post a story on Facebook, there will be a blue ring circled around your profile picture. So in That's the same with Douyin. So if you post something or a profile, your profile photo gets a blue or green or purple ring. And when some of when your friends click and view the video, and then the ring will vanish.

那为什么颜色会有区别呢？蓝色、绿色和紫色？

What why why the color differences then? Blue, green, and purple?

我认为这取决于内容。

I think it depends on the content.

是的。你发布的内容。比如纯文字内容可能用一种颜色，视频是另一种，图片又是不同的颜色。

Yeah. The content that you post. Maybe post, like, purely text text and then it could be one color. And if you post a video, there's that's another. When you post a picture, that's another color.

哦，所以这基本上是在告诉朋友们他们将看到什么类型的故事。

Oh, so it's basically telling your friends Yes. What type of story they're about to be seeing.

是的。听起来和Instagram的故事功能很像。发布故事的流程有些部分确实很相似。嗯。

Yeah. That sounds really similar to Instagram's story. That's how you post a story. Basically, some of the process are quite the same. Mhmm.

而且我认为，他们确实在尝试创建与其他社交应用类似的功能特性，不仅是短视频平台，更想做成综合性社交应用

And I would say, yes, they are trying to create this functional feature similarly to other social apps too, I think, not only trying to make them a short video platform, but a social app more

这里还有个有点不同的功能叫"小火花"。运作方式是：如果你在抖因上连续三天和某人聊天

There's or something on here that's a little bit different as well, and it's called little sparks. And so here's how it works. So if you've chatted with somebody on Douyen for three consecutive days

哦。

Oh.

这非常具体，然后会出现一个小火花。是的，出现在聊天界面顶部头像旁边。但凡事都有两面性。如果你一天不聊天，火花就会消失，并提醒你重新点燃它。

It's very specific, then there'll be a little spark Yeah. Appearing at the top of the chatting interface next to the person's profile picture. But there's a flip side to that coin. If you stop chatting for one day, the spark will disappear and it reminds you to reignite it.

我是说，那会是会是

I mean, what would be the what would

这个设计背后的理念是什么？

be the idea behind that?

你知道吗？我觉得这简直是天才设计。真的吗？因为这个功能会迫使用户使用这个应用，与朋友聊天，至少能创造两个活跃用户。对吧？而且他们会在界面上创造各种不同的图标。

You know what? This is I I would say this is quite a genius Really? Idea, you know, because it it makes users to it kind of forces users to get on this app and use this function and chat with their friends, and then it creates at least two active users. Right? And they will create a lot of different icons on this form.

首先是个火花，然后变成火焰，最后可能发展成熊熊大火。大火。哦对了，我记得还能获得一艘法国船。

First of all, it's a spark and then it's flame and then it's maybe huge fire. Fire. Oh, yeah. I remember. You can get a French ship.

法国船？法国船。哦，像是

French ship? French ship. Oh, like

一艘船。

a ship.

那是一艘船。

That's a ship.

像一艘小船。

Like a boat.

是的。在中文里，因为被称为'友谊的小船'。所以它就是你们友谊的船。有点像他们用的双关语。但如果你们很长时间不聊天，你们的船就会...像要翻掉。

Yeah. So in Chinese, because it's called the boat of your friendship. So it's a ship of your friendship. It's like kinda kinda a pun that they use. But if you don't chat with each other for quite a long time, your ship will your boat will, like, collapse.

所以为了维持你们友谊的小船，你们必须在这个应用上持续交流，所以你们...

And then in order to keep the boat of your friendship, you have to talk to each other on this app constantly and So you're

被迫聊天。确实如此。在这个...哇哦。

forced to talk. That's true. Within this, like, woah.

我明白为什么你说这有点天才了，因为通常聊天应用不会给你发送这种推送。这像是...

I I see why you said it's kind of genius because usually chatting applications will not send you it's like a push. It's like

一种轻推。

a nudge.

这就像是在说，嘿。嘿。你有一阵子没和这个人说话了。别毁了你们之间的友谊。挺戏剧化的，不是吗？

It's like a it's like saying like, hey. Hey. You haven't talked to this person in a little while. Don't destroy your friendship with them. It's quite dramatic, isn't it?

还有一个新的。有个新的社交应用。叫HiHi。嗯。

There's a new one as well. There's a new social app. It's called HiHi. Mhmm.

是的。实际上，抖音还在开发这种独立的社交应用。所以它不在抖音内部。

Yeah. Actually, Douyin is still developing this type of a separate social app. So it's not within this Douyin itself.

哦，这是全新的吗？

Oh, this is brand new?

是的。全新的独立社交网络应用。一些细节还处于保密状态，所以还没发布。但他们有这个计划。因为几年前他们发布过另一个叫多闪的社交应用。

Yeah. Brand new separate social networking app. And some of the details are still kept in secret, so they haven't released yet. So but they have this plan. Because I think years ago, they have released another social networking app called Doshan.

嗯，它是在2019年发布的。就是几年前。那个应用更像是微信，我认为。它不是用来分享视频的，只是和朋友聊天发消息。但在2023年就关闭了。

It's well, it was released in 2019. So like a few years ago. And during on that app, you are it's just similar to WeChat, I think. So it's not about sharing your videos, just about chatting with your friends, messaging. But then in 2023, it's just closed.

暂停运营了。所以我想他们正在再次尝试这类

It's suspended. So I think they are do they're having another, like, try on this type of

我认为之前的问题在于它没有差异化。它完全就是同样的东西。用户只能二选一。人们通常不会同时使用两个，因为如果你要和某人交流，只需要一个渠道就够了。

I guess the problem before then was that it didn't differentiate itself. It was just exactly the same thing. And I guess users chose one or the other. People wouldn't commonly use both because if you're gonna communicate with somebody, you only need one channel in which to do so.

是的。微信在中国已经拥有非常稳固的用户基础。我认为它的月活跃用户已经达到14亿左右。这意味着几乎所有人都在使用。

Yeah. I mean, WeChat already has a very solid user base in China. Yeah. I think it has an active user of around 1,400,000,000 already. So that means almost everybody is using.

14亿。没错。

1,400,000,000. Yes.

这很深刻。真的是每个人。字面意义上的每个人都在使用。

That's deep. Everybody literally everybody. Literally everybody is using it.

而且我们手机存储空间非常有限对吧？所以我们不想再装一个聊天应用，特别是那个应用上可能也没多少朋友。所以这个尝试失败了。

So and also, on our phone, we have very limited storage. Right? So we don't want another app on our phone to chat with maybe not that many friends friends on that app as well. So, yeah, that failed.

我认为对于短视频平台来说，他们正在弥补自身的一些弱点。抖音和快手虽然拥有强大的算法，但在人际关系方面较弱，特别是与微信朋友圈相比。他们也在试图突破分享壁垒——我们知道跨平台分享需要复制链接再发布到另一个平台，而现在可以直接在同一个平台内分享给好友，这更便捷也更能鼓励用户使用该功能。但关键问题是：

I guess for the platforms, for the short video platforms, what they're doing here is they're fixing some of their weaknesses because Douyuan and Kuaishou, they have obviously, very powerful algorithms, but the the personal connections on those apps might be on the weaker side, especially when you compare it to something like WeChat moments. And also, I think it would it would be coming overcoming the the sharing barrier as well because we know that if you wanna go from platform to platform, it means you have to copy the link Yeah. And you have to post it on an on a different platform. But the idea here now is that you can post directly to your friends within the same platform, making it making it easier and I guess encouraging users to to make use of that function. So here's the big question though.

他们可以随心所欲地宣传，但真的有效吗？短视频平台真能在社交领域竞争吗？你怎么看？

I mean, they can say whatever they want. They can do whatever they want, but is it actually working? Can short video platforms really compete in social networking? What do you think?

正如心语刚才所说，像即时通讯应用已经建立了如此稳固的用户群体，社交或短视频平台要想突破确实很难。这些平台面临的核心问题在于用户对新聊天方式的适应速度较慢。虽然他们使用聊天功能，但并未完全迁移或在该应用上建立完整生态。人们打开抖音或快手主要是看视频而非聊天，这是多年形成的习惯，也是活跃度不高的原因。

As, Xinyu just said, some of these, like instant messaging app has already built such a solid user group, and it's quite hard for these social or short video platforms to, to break, I would say. So that is kind of that question or problem that these platforms are facing is that not so fast, the users are, like, adapting the new way of chatting. Of course, they are using the chatting feature, but not, like, or or fully on this app or create the whole system on this. So people open this Douyin or Kuaishou to watch videos, not to chat mostly, and that's a habit formed over years. And that is why it is not that actively responded.

是的。我在想我们常说的那句话对吧？解决了一个根本不存在的需求。

Yeah. I'm just wondering because we know that expression. Right? A solution to a problem that we don't have.

嗯，确实。

Mhmm. Yeah.

你会想随时查看朋友此刻在做什么的视频更新吗？以Facebook为例，人们发布内容时可能会露脸说'今天我在某地'，有时则只是所处环境的视频。但若仅是如此，我觉得没必要频繁了解朋友动态。你怎么看？

Do you want to see a video update of what your friend is doing at any particular time? Because there's something different between, you know, again, to use Facebook as an example. People will post about something and they might put their face on the video and say, you know, here I am at this place today, And sometimes not, it'll just be a video of wherever they are. But if it was only that, I feel like I don't need to know what my friends are doing that often. How do you feel about it?

我也有同感。对朋友发布的视频内容不太感兴趣。而且微信已经足够全能，不仅是即时通讯工具，还内置短视频、支付、交通等功能一应俱全。

Yeah. I think the same here. I am not that interested in what my friends are posting on their videos. But also I think WeChat is already enough and it has a function of more than just a instant messaging app. It has short videos as well embedded on WeChat and also payment transportation, so everything.

在微信上就能完成所有事，这某种程度上增强了用户粘性。嗯，我们没必要为相同体验转向其他平台。

You have everything on WeChat. So that somehow increases user stickiness Mhmm. Instead of we just going to another platform for the same experience.

你怎么看？宇顺，你对这个感兴趣吗？

What do think? What do you think, Yushun? Are you interested in this?

这更像是这些社交应用的功能。但问题在于，我们真的需要另一个平台来浏览这类内容吗？毕竟我们已经拥有太多可以分享各类信息的社交媒体应用了。

That is more like the the feature of these social apps. But the thing I think the problem is that do we need another platform Right. To see these kind of content? Because we have already had so many other social media apps to share different types of

是的。

Yes.

我们现在的信息。

Our information now.

我们甚至还没提到对吧？红红红笔记，那又是另一个能获取这类信息的地方。嗯，没错。

We didn't even talk about Right? Red Red Red Note, and that's another place Exactly. That you can see this type of information. Mhmm. Yeah.

或许现在判断这些新功能是否会流行还为时过早。目前有网民反馈吗？确实言之过早。我们只能静观其变，但谁知道呢？不尝试就永远不会成功。

I guess it's perhaps too early to tell if these new features will be popular at not or not. Is there any kind of netizen reaction thus far? I guess it's perhaps too early. We'll have to wait and see, but who knows? If they don't try, if you don't try, you can't be successful.

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Looking for passion? How about fiery debate? Wanna hear about current events in China from different perspectives? Then tune in to roundtable where east meets west and understanding is the goal.

这里是圆桌会议，今天和我一起的是雨顺和新宇。我叫史蒂夫。你们听说过最新潮流吗？在办公桌下蹬迷你自行车，或者开网络会议时坐在瑜伽球上弹跳？他们不是走去健身房。这就是当下中国最硬核上班族的日常。

This is Roundtable, and today, I'm with, Yushun and Xinyu. My name's Steve. And have you heard about the new trend pedaling a minibike under your office desk or maybe bouncing on a yoga ball during an Internet call? They're not walking in walking into a gym. This is how the most hardcore office workers in China are rolling these days.

他们不再用可爱毛绒玩具装饰办公桌。那个潮流已经过时了。现在他们在打造迷你健身站——阻力带、握力器、按摩滚轮一应俱全。其实就在前几天，在我们楼上那层，我还看到有人午休时用健腹轮锻炼，我问：你在干嘛？

They're not decorating their desks with cute plushies. That trend is gone. Now they're building mini fitness stations. We're talking resistance bands and grip trainers and massage rollers, the whole kit. Just the other day, as a matter of fact, up, one floor from where we are right now, I saw someone using an ab roller at lunchtime and I said, what are you doing?

对方说：我在练腹肌。要试试吗？我说：不用。然后立刻走开了。所以我是亲眼见证过这个现象的。

And they said, I'm rolling my abs. Do you wanna try? And I said, no. And I walked away immediately. So I've seen this firsthand.

顺便说下那是赖明。我亲眼所见，他练得特别好。必须承认确实厉害。说实话，我拒绝尝试部分原因就是他太专业了。这需要很强的核心力量。

That was Lai Ming by the way. I've seen this firsthand and he was very good at it. I must I must say as well. And also honestly, part of the reason I said no was because he was so good at it. I was requires a lot like core strength.

我当时想：要是做得不好多丢人啊。不过无论如何，这就是证据对吧？中国办公室的新趋势——他们变健康不是靠饮食（虽然饮食也很重要），而是靠办公桌上的健身器材。那么这个潮流到底是怎么兴起的呢？

I was thinking if I'm not good at it, I'm going to be embarrassed here. But anyway, this is proof, isn't it? That the trend here in offices in China, they're getting healthier not through the meals that they're eating, the people that meals that they're eating, but through the exercise equipment at their desk. So where did this trend even come from?

现在很多人工作时间很长对吧？下班后没空去健身房，所以办公桌锻炼就成了某种被动自律方式——即便加班也能运动。而且健康问题最近备受关注，久坐会导致颈椎病、肩周疼痛等问题。

So a lot of people right now are having, like, long work hours. Right? So many can't make it to the gym after work, so desk workouts offer some kind of passive self discipline and exercising while staying at work even though they may work overtime or something like that. And also health concerns is one thing that is being highly discussed lately. Prolonged sitting cause causes issues like cervical spondylosis, right, and also shoulder pain,

脖子手腕也疼——特别是长时间用鼠标的话

Neck a lot of pain, wrists if you're using your mouse

所以这些日常任务练习能帮助预防和纠正不良姿势习惯。就像你提到的，有些人可能不用毛绒玩具，而有些人用毛绒玩具做这类运动，主要是为了获得心理激励，适度的运动释放内啡肽，缓解压力。

So all day some of these task exercises can help prevent these and correct bad posture habits. And also, as you mentioned, some that they may not use any plush toys. May maybe they are using plush toys and these kind of exercises because for because of some, like, mental boost, you know, moderate movement release, endorphins, reduces, like, stress.

当然。这绝对能让你更快乐。

Sure. Totally makes you happier.

是啊。就是让身体动起来，因为办公室工作容易让人变得僵化对吧？长时间保持同一个坐姿

Yeah. It's just getting your body up and getting it moving a little bit because office work can make you very stagnant, can't it? You just sit in the same position

嗯。

Yeah.

一整天都这样。那么谁在用这个产品？我的意思是，它在哪、在什么人群中流行？

All day long. So who's using this? I mean, where where is the with whom is this popular?

对。主要是像雨顺提到的年轻职场人士。我们上班族每天坐办公室8到10小时，确实需要一些运动。所以这个趋势说明我们正尝试在办公时间见缝插针地锻炼。

Yeah. Mostly young professionals like Yushun mentioned. We are office workers. We spend eight to ten hours sitting in an office, and we do need some of the exercise. So I think that trend means we are trying to squeeze in some exercise during our office hours.

另外对于那些注重健康的人，他们真的很重视健康。我看到一个例子，有位女士把办公椅换成了瑜伽球。哇，那很危险吧。确实。

And also for some of the health conscious ones, they are really putting an emphasize emphasis on their health. So I I saw an example of about a woman, she changed her chair for a yoga ball. Oh, wow. That's dangerous. Yes.

但我我我觉得

But I I I think

那会非常烦人，

That would be so annoying,

说那是

saying that's

而且它

And it

真的很难集中注意力。我们不应该

can be really hard to concentrate. We shouldn't

都买瑜伽球。你难道听不见她或他吗？哦，天哪。

all get yoga balls. Can't you just hear her or him? Oh, my.

是啊。很难想象。但我确实觉得在办公室见过一些同事这样做。这是一套传统的中式动作，不需要任何器材。所以很安静，你可以在休息时站起来做几个动作，缓解压力，让你感觉

Yeah. It's hard to imagine. But I do I think I have seen some of our colleagues doing in our office. Is a traditional Chinese set of like movements without any equipment. So it's quiet and then you can just stand up during your break and then do a few moves and you can relieve your stress and We make you feel

我们大楼旁边有个小小的公园区域，我经常看到人们午休时在那里活动。

have a little tiny kind of park area next to our building and I've seen people doing that during their lunchtime there.

是的，是的。

Yes. Yes.

那边也是。对。不。我开玩笑的，但显然这是个好主意，因为我们之前讨论过，长时间每天这样做可能会导致一些健康问题，对吧？

There as well. Yeah. No. I'm making jokes but obviously, this this is a good idea because of as we talked about it already, there are easy health problems that can come because you're doing this all day every day a lot of the time. Right?

所以甚至在办公桌上放个瑜伽球，不是从早九点到晚六点都坐着。你不想整天坐在瑜伽球上，但也许每隔一段时间坐个半小时、二十分钟。为什么不呢？我觉得这是个不错的主意。不过话说回来，这是噱头还是真的对人有益？

So have even having a yoga ball at your desk, not from nine to six. You don't wanna be sitting on a yoga ball, but maybe for like, I don't know, a half an hour, twenty minutes every now and again. Why not? I think it's kind of a a a good idea. Well, I mean, that being said, is this a gimmick or is this actually good for people?

你知道吗？我小时候，我爸常看那些健康节目，他们会教你在公交车上做健康运动。我觉得这两者挺像的。就是些小动作，比如活动手部、颈部、大腿之类的。所以在公交车上或办公室里做这类运动，虽然可能会引来旁人异样的目光，但个人认为这是个不错的技巧，能利用办公时间边工作边做些小锻炼。

You know what? When I was a kid, my dad used to watch these health programs on TV and they will teach you how to do healthy movements when you're on the bus. So I think they are quite the same thing. That's like little movements, like, on your hands, on your neck, on your thigh, that kind of thing. So practicing, like, something like this on the bus or on in the office to though you might get some, like, strange looks from others while doing this, but personally, I would say it is kind of good trick that you can just use your use your, like, office time to do a little bit of exercise while doing your work.

是啊。我是说边工作边锻炼。

Yeah. I mean While doing your work.

嗯。我是说，如果你坐在瑜伽球上——我老是回到这个例子，有点着迷了——但这样你确实可以边工作边锻炼。我还见过其他工具，因为对这个很好奇，你知道的，人们用的其他健身器材。他们不叫它跑步机，而是有各种不同类型的健身设备。

Mhmm. Well, I mean, if you're sitting on a yoga ball, I keep coming back to that example, I'm a little bit obsessed with it, but it's yeah. Then you're doing it while you're working, I suppose. I saw other tools too because I was curious about this, you know, other pieces of equipment that people are using. And they don't call it a treadmill, they call it they have different types of exercise equipment.

比如椭圆机。有一种我记得叫桌面步行机，看起来像跑步机，但没有前面的垂直部分。

Like, is an elliptical machine. One was called an I think it was called a desk walking machine, which it looks like a treadmill, but it doesn't have the vertical front of it.

哦，它能让你在上面缓慢行走。

It's Oh, it will let you walk slowly on it.

对，就直接放在地上。

Yeah. Just sits on the floor.

哦，但你是坐着的。就像是

Oh, but you're sitting. It's like

当你在机场乘坐那种水平自动扶梯时的感觉。

when you're at the airport and you take that little horizontal escalator.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

你们管这个叫什么

What do you call

那些东西？就是能让你更快行动起来的那些。基本上就是其中之一。所以有那个，然后有些人也会用些小桌边哑铃之类的。

those things? Those things that move you along more quickly. It's one of it's basically one of those. So there's that, and then people some people too will use like little desk weights or whatever.

或者哑铃。

Or dumbbells.

哑铃，对吧？他们会放在桌上偶尔用用。但我的问题是，如果人们只是在那台小步行机上走个，比如说五分钟。

Dumbbells. Right? They'll put them on their desk and just use them sometimes. But here's my question. If people are just kind of, like, on that little walking machine for, I don't know, five minutes.

对吧？然后收起来。或者用哑铃练个二十秒就收起来，或者瑜伽球之类的器材，会不会存在一种风险，让他们误以为自己真的得到了很好的锻炼，而实际上可能根本没做什么真正有益的事？

Right? Then they put it away. Or use the dumbbell for, twenty seconds and then put it away, or the yoga ball or whatever the equipment is, wouldn't there be a danger that they think they're getting an actual good workout when in actuality they might not be doing anything that's really beneficial at all?

我觉得他们清楚自己在做什么，也清楚自己没做什么。如果每天只练二十秒，那当然没用，他们自己也知道。但如果持续进行，比如每四十五分钟一次，那当然会有效果。

I think they know what they're doing and and I think they know what they're not doing. If they're just doing it like twenty seconds a day, of course, that's gonna not gonna work and they know it. But if they're just doing it constantly, maybe every forty five minutes, of course, that will work.

还是说这只是心理安慰？你觉得

Or is it just a psychological comfort? You feel

这正是我的意思。你

that That's what I mean. You

是的。你觉得你已经做了些事情。你已经锻炼了。但实际上，这还不够，或者方式不对。

Yeah. You feel that you have done something. You have exercised. But actually, it's not enough or it's just it's in the wrong way.

我认为这对你的同事来说可能也很烦人。对吧？比如，你坐在一个人旁边，正试图工作，却听到这些声音，对吧？这会分散注意力。

I would think it might be annoying for your coworkers too. Right? Like, you're sitting next to a person and you're trying to do your work and you hear like, right? That's gonna be a distraction for

而且我会觉得你的工作可能还不够糟糕，或者你的任务还不够多。对吧。

And I would feel that your work is maybe not bad enough or your plate isn't full. Right.

好的。那我们用这个问题结束吧。这是你吗？你是这群办公室锻炼者中的一员，还是不是？

Okay. Let's end with this question then. Is this you? Are you in this group of office exercisers or are you not?

但我确实尽量每隔一小时去散步，只是为了站起来，有时候

But I do try to go for a walk every other hour just to stand up and maybe sometimes

那是为了锻炼还是你只是在躲避

Is that for exercise or you're just hiding

你的责任？是啊。你坐得太久了，所以需要一些锻炼，只是去散个步。

from your responsibilities? Yeah. You're sitting too long so you need some exercise just for a walk.

我确实看到很多人喜欢在工作时站立行走或工作。没错。

I absolutely see a lot of people like work when to stand to walk or work. Right.

我没问其他人的情况。

I didn't ask about other people.

我是新来的。但无论如何，这绝对提醒我们，要知道，并非所有锻炼都必须在健身房进行。

I'm new. But anyway, they it's absolutely a reminder for us to, you know, not every exercise happen in a gym.

确实如此。如果你善加利用，显然会对你大有裨益。今天的圆桌会议就到这里。非常感谢你今天抽空与我们分享。我是Yushun和Xinyu的Steve。

That is true. If you make good use of it, obviously, it's gonna be a benefit for for you. And that will do it for today's roundtable. Thank you very much for sharing your time with us today. I'm Steve for Yushun and Xinyu.

下次请务必再次加入我们。

Please do join us again next time.