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我觉得你真的需要一个强大的支持系统。
I think you really need a strong support system.
我觉得，如果你想成功，像我当初，根本没状态，特别吃力，也没得到我需要的支持。
I think if you want to succeed, you know, like, I definitely was not performing and I was really struggling and I don't think I was getting the support that I needed.
我当时就觉得，特别需要一个人，能真正陪我一起走，认真听我说话，真心希望我好起来。
And I, I felt kind of, just that I needed somebody who was going to be able to, like, work with me and really listen and, like, want to see me succeed.
我们节目里请过很多优秀的跑者，但今天的嘉宾莫莉·布克迈尔，绝对是我做过最令人鼓舞的一次访谈。
We have a lot of great runners on the podcast, but today's guest, Molly Bookmyer, is without a doubt one of the most inspiring interviews I've done.
我没法一一列举她的所有比赛成就，但她在俄亥俄州立大学读书期间，接连做了两次脑部手术，之后却跑出了2小时28分的个人最好成绩，还赢下了2024年双子城马拉松。
I wouldn't possibly try to cover her full list of race accomplishments, but since overcoming two brain surgeries while finishing her studies at Ohio State, she's gone on to achieve a marathon personal best of two twenty eight while winning the twenty twenty four Twin Cities Marathon.
就在最近的休斯顿，她跑出了1小时09分的半程马拉松，为伦敦马拉松做准备，而那场比赛距离这期节目播出才几周时间。
And just recently in Houston, she ran a one zero nine half marathon in her buildup for the London Marathon, which will be only a couple weeks after this episode airs.
我得补充一下，她告诉我，那场半马比赛中她还摔了一跤，这反而让成绩更了不起了。
I should add, she told me she actually fell during that half marathon race, which makes it even more impressive if that's possible.
我得说，你上不了Strava找她，因为聊完我才明白，她根本不在上面。所以，你现在是唯一能听到她故事的机会——包括她怎么在伤病恢复后，每周跑一百二十多英里，同时兼顾全职工作，还有她对伦敦马拉松的期待，你都能在家为她加油。
You won't find her on Strava as I learned in our chat, so this is really your only chance to hear about her story, including things like how she manages elite level training with a 120 plus mile weeks after recovering from injury setbacks and while balancing a full time job, as well as her goals for London so you can cheer her on from back home.
够了，说说我自己的事，咱们现在开始采访吧。
That's enough of me, and let's get into the interview.
大家好，跑友们，欢迎收听《跑向巅峰》播客，我们的目标是让每一期节目都助你成为更好的跑者。
Hello, runners, and welcome to the Run to the Top podcast, where our goal is making you a better runner with each and every episode.
我是节目制作人科里·纳格勒。
I'm your showrunner, Corey Nagler.
我不是顶尖选手，但我们会一起探索新策略和话题，帮你把跑步水平提升到新高度。
And I'm not an elite runner, but together, we'll explore new strategies and topics to take your running to the next level.
本播客由RunnersConnect.net的专业教练团队制作与出品，那里有全网最优质的跑步资讯，还有适合每位跑者、各种预算的训练计划。
This podcast is created and produced by the expert team of coaches at runnersconnect.net, where you can find the best running information on the Internet as well as training plans to fit every runner and every budget.
好了。
Alright.
今天我请来了一位职业跑者，她的跑步之路可能不太传统，却在职业跑圈里一鸣惊人。
I am with a pro runner today who has maybe not taken the most traditional route when it comes to running, but has really stormed onto the pro running scene.
莫莉，非常感谢你今天来参加访谈。
Molly, I really appreciate you joining me today.
谢谢，科里。
Thanks, Corey.
很高兴能来。
I'm excited to be here.
是的。
Yeah.
非常欢迎你加入，而且我觉得时机太巧了，听说你正处在马拉松训练的关键阶段，对吧？
I'm really excited to have you, and I think this is such perfect timing because if I understand right, you're in the thick of marathon training right now, aren't you?
对。
Yeah.
距离伦敦马拉松大概还有一个月，现在正经历训练最密集的几周，马上就要进入减量期了。
I'm, about a month out from the London Marathon, so hitting some of my biggest weeks, right before taper.
我现在确实处在训练的高峰期，感觉状态还不错。
So I am in the thick of training, and I'm feeling pretty good.
你感觉怎么样？
And how are you feeling?
训练快结束了，你有点遗憾呢，还是现在就盼着进入减量期了？
Are you kind of disappointed training's coming to an end, or are you just really ready for the taper at this point?
我是真的喜欢训练。
I mean, I love training.
所以我从不盼着减量期到来。
So I don't I'm never, like, looking forward to the taper.
我就是有点紧张、有点忐忑，毕竟这是场大赛，投入了这么多心血，我自己也付出了很多。
I think I'm just getting maybe a little anxious and a little nervous about the race just because it's like a it's such a big race and you put in a lot of work and I put in a lot of work for this race.
所以可能有点紧张，但我觉得自己还是挺有信心的，你知道的。
So I'm probably feeling a little bit anxious but but yeah, feeling confident, I think, you know.
这可是好现象。
That's a good sign.
我为你加油。
I'm rooting for you.
对那些刚听到你名字的听众，或者甚至还没在听的人，听完这场伦敦马拉松后，他们也一定会知道你。
For for anyone who's listening and maybe hasn't heard your name before and maybe even those who aren't listening will have heard of you after London Marathon.
你该怎么形容自己呢？
How would you describe yourself?
莫莉·布克梅尔到底是谁？
Who who is Molly Bookmyer?
我想不只是个跑者，还有更多方面。
I guess the the runner and even beyond that.
是的。
Yeah.
哦，这问题真不好答。
Oh, that's a tough question.
我觉得我就是个特别热爱跑步的人。
So I guess I just feel like I am somebody who just loves running.
我的背景和很多职业跑者不太一样。
So I have a little bit of a different background than a lot of the other pro runners on the running scene.
我高中和大学都跑过，但大学时是靠自己争取进队的，没拿过奖学金。
I ran in high school and college, but I was a walk on on college, so never on scholarship.
我只跑了三年越野跑和两年田径。
I only ran three years of cross country and two years of track.
后来因为健康原因，我有一阵子完全离开了这项运动。
I kind of then totally got away from the sport for some health reasons for a while.
所以我大概就是那种因为真心喜欢跑步才开始跑的人，特别想看看自己能跑到什么程度。
So I guess I'm just somebody who got into running because they loved it a lot, and just really wanna see how good I can be.
正因如此，我才一直坚持下来。
And so that kinda so it keeps me going.
是的。
Yeah.
说到跑步，你最喜欢这项运动的哪一点？
And when it comes to running, what what is your favorite part about the sport?
我觉得就是独处的时光。
I think just the time away.
跑步的时候，我感觉自己最充满活力，你知道吗？就是当你追逐目标，一个人在外面拼命奔跑的时候。
Like, I when I'm running, I feel like the most alive, you know, like, when you're chasing after goal and you're just out there running and working hard.
我觉得跑步的时候，我跟自己和内心最贴近。
And I think that's where I feel like the most connected to myself and my mind.
这是我能暂时摆脱生活各种压力的时光。
And it's time I can get away from like all the stressors of life.
所以我觉得这就是我最喜欢跑步的地方。
And so I think that's that's what I like the most about it.
你是更倾向于把跑步当成一种逃离，喜欢独自跑呢？
Are you somebody who likes to see running as more of an escape and run solo?
还是更享受社交氛围，喜欢和别人一起跑？
Or do you really thrive on the social aspect and being around other runners?
我两种都喜欢。
So I I like both sides of it.
我平时主要一个人训练。
So I train mostly alone.
我住在俄亥俄州的哥伦布，大部分训练都是自己完成的。
So I live in Columbus, Ohio, and most of my training, I do alone.
但并不是说我不喜欢和别人一起跑步。
But it's not that I don't enjoy running with people.
所以，有时候如果有机会，我会和城里住着的几位女性一起跑。
So, you know, sometimes if I'm able to, I'll hook up with a couple women who live here in town.
我的教练就在本地，有时候我会和他一起训练，或者一块儿轻松地跑一跑。
My coach is local, so sometimes I'll come to my workouts or we'll do easy runs together.
我丈夫经常骑车陪着我，尤其是在我练马拉松配速的长距离训练时，还会给我补给。
My husband bikes with me a lot on my really long marathon effort paces and stuff and gets me like my fuel.
哥伦布市说来也怪，和很多城市一样，这里的跑步社群特别大，主要围绕着本地的跑步用品店。
And Columbus, oddly enough, I'm sure with like a lot of cities actually has a really big running community with just the local running stores.
所以他们总在自行车道上跑来跑去，训练健身。
And so they're always out there on the bike path, like running and training.
这样我也能感受到和跑步的联结。
So I feel connected to running that way.
不过日常跑步，我还是主要一个人练。
But from like my daily runs, I train mostly alone.
我觉得我只是慢慢习惯了而已。
I think I've just kind of gotten used to it.
跑步陪我度过了人生中一些特别艰难的时刻。
And running has gotten me through some really, really hard times in my life.
我觉得我其实挺喜欢一个人跑的，但如果有机会和别人一起跑，我也挺享受的。
And so I think, I think, I think I enjoy it running solo, but when I have the opportunity to run with people, I like that too.
莫莉，你跑得太快了，没人跟得上你。
Darn Molly, you're just too fast to run with other people.
这话说得不对。
That's not true.
好吧，也许这么说不太准确，但你确实跑得特别快。
So well, maybe that's not quite true, but you're you're definitely speedy.
我问这个问题之前，其实心里已经有答案了。
I I, of course, know the the answer to this question as I ask it.
不过你能不能跟大家说说，你的马拉松个人最好成绩是多少？还有其他一些跑步方面的成绩？
But do you mind telling people what is your marathon PR and maybe some of your other predator accomplishments as a runner?
是的。
Yeah.
我的马拉松个人最好成绩大概是2小时28分40秒左右。
So my marathon PR is like is two twenty eight forty something.
我就说28吧。
So I'm just gonna do 28.
那次成绩是今年秋天跑出来的。
And then, I ran that this past fall.
几个月前在休斯顿，我突破了110分钟大关。
And then, a couple months ago in Houston, I broke the 110 barriers.
我在休斯顿半程马拉松跑了109分钟，我很自豪。
Ran like 109 at the Houston half marathon, which I'm proud of.
不过比赛刚开始的时候我摔倒了。
However, I did I fell in the start of the race.
比赛一开始，有几位女选手也摔倒了。
There was a couple of women who went down at the start of the race.
所以这事儿吧，我其实挺希望没摔倒的，不然可能还能跑得再快一点。
So it's one of those things where I wish I didn't fall and maybe I could have ran a little bit faster.
但你也知道，得接受现实，就当是这样了。
But you know, I got to take it for what it is.
而且说实话，我就是特别开心，因为每次都在进步，比赛也越跑越稳。
And yeah, I mean, I think I'm just excited because I keep getting better and I keep executing my races a little bit better.
我最自豪的，其实就是不管遇到伤病，还是生活中其他让人 setbacks 的事，我都没放弃，一直在往前走。
So I think the thing I'm most proud of is just like continuing to get better and and not giving up when things have been kind of tough and injury strike and other things happen in life that maybe set you back a little bit.
这真够惊人的。
That's pretty crazy.
我知道你跑过休斯顿的109马拉松，但真没想到你那场还摔倒了。
I think I had known about the one zero nine half marathon at Houston, but I had no idea you fell running that.
在我看来，109的半马成绩，可能比228的全马还更厉害。
And to me, I think a one zero nine half marathon is probably already perhaps even a faster equivalent than a two twenty eight.
你现在觉得自己状态是职业生涯最好的吗？
Do you feel like you're in the best shape of your life right now?
是的。
Yeah.
我的意思是，我确信我现在比跑2小时28分时更快了。
I mean, I definitely I definitely think I'm faster than my two twenty eight.
我跑2小时28分那次，赛道并不算特别平坦。
I mean, when I ran the two twenty eight, it was it wasn't a super flat course.
而且我是完全一个人跑的。
And I ran it totally solo.
那真的挺不容易的。
And it's it's kind of tough.
比赛前十天左右，我们家里有些事。
We have some family stuff going on, like ten days before the race.
不幸的是，我岳父去世了。
Unfortunately, my father-in-law passed away.
所以那场比赛前后发生了很多事，让整个过程特别艰难。
So there's a lot of stuff that went into that race that made it kind of tough.
不过说实话，我现在感觉状态挺好的。
But yeah, I would say right now, it means going really well.
休斯顿那场跑得不错，给我的赛季开了个好头。
And Houston was a good a good kickstart to my season.
马拉松真是个大考验。
And I would say the marathon's a beast.
我不会说我现在比以前快还是慢，但我确信自己还能跑得更好。
So I never you know, I don't want to say that I'm faster or slower, but I definitely think that I can do better.
我觉得如果选对赛道，状态好，再把训练中练出来的发挥出来，我很有希望跑出更快的成绩。
And I think if I get on the right course on a good day and I execute how I've been running in my training that I am hopeful that I can run a faster time.
听你这么说，我觉得你达成这个目标的可能性挺大的。
Well, based on what I've heard already, I think there's a pretty good chance of that.
你之前提到过因为受伤不得不休息了一段时间。
I I think you mentioned a little bit about having to take some time off running, some injuries.
能再多说说这方面的情况吗？
Do you mind telling us a little bit more about that?
是的。
Yeah.
如果从很久以前说起，上大学的时候我因为胫骨应力性骨折停过跑。
So, if I go way back, so in college, I stopped running because I had a stress fracture in my shin.
为了找出反复出现应力性骨折的根本原因，我做了各种检查。
And during all the different tests to figure out, I wanted to get to the root cause is like why I was getting stress fractures.
因为高中时我也受过其他伤。
Because also in high school, I had some other injuries.
一连串的事情下来，发现我的激素水平偏高，于是做了脑部核磁共振。
And one thing led to another and I had some elevated hormone levels that led to getting a brain brain MRI.
做脑部核磁共振时，医生本来是想检查垂体附近的情况，结果在脑室里发现了另一个脑瘤。
And when they did the brain MRI, they were looking for something by my pituitary gland, but they also found another brain tumor located in one of the ventricles of my brain.
我们持续观察了两年，肿瘤一直没什么变化。
So we followed it for like two years and the tumor just feel like MRIs.
每隔几个月我就做一次核磁共振，医生基本能确定它不是恶性的。
I would get MRIs every couple of months and they had a good idea it wasn't cancerous.
所以当时并不算特别紧急得马上处理。
So it wasn't something that was super urgent to get done.
我做过腰椎穿刺，就是往脊椎里插针，取脑脊液检查有没有癌细胞。
I had like spinal taps where they like stick a needle in your spine to get spinal fluid to make sure there were no cancer cells.
但肿瘤一直在长。
But it kept growing.
几年后，我在2015年做了脑部手术来移除这个肿瘤。
So after a couple years, I had brain surgery to move the tumor in 2015.
结果几个月后，又因为并发症不得不紧急再做一次手术。
And then I actually had to have an emergency surgery just due to some complications a couple months later.
之后我慢慢恢复了。
And then I kind of got back.
虽然没再跑步，但至少能走上跑步机，慢慢又有了想跑的念头。
I wasn't running, but I was able to like walk on the treadmill and so they got back to wanting to run.
那年晚些时候，有一天下班后我在跑步机上跑步，突然发作了癫痫。
And later that year, while I was running on a treadmill after work one day, I suffered a seizure.
所以我开始服用抗癫痫药物。
So then I had to start taking seizure medication.
但我以前是个跑者，跑步早就成了我生活中保持健康的方式。
But then I kind of since I was a runner before running just kind of fit my life as a way to stay healthy.
于是我慢慢重新开始跑步，就是为了让自己重新健康起来，变强壮，多运动。
So I slowly got back into running as a way to just get healthy again and to to yeah, mostly just get healthy and strong again and exercise.
不幸的是，两年后我准备和我丈夫结婚，我们去度蜜月，回来后他开始说腹部和背部有些疼痛。
And unfortunately, two years later, I was getting married to my husband and we went on our honeymoon and then we got back from a honeymoon and he was complaining about some pain in his abdomen and his back or whatever.
他做了些检查，结果发现他得了癌症。
And he got some tests done and then he found out that he had cancer.
从那以后，他被确诊患癌，不得不接受一系列手术和治疗。
So all this time, he then he's diagnosed with cancer and he had to go through surgeries and stuff.
那时候，我真正开始依靠跑步，不是为了比赛，而是为了照顾好自己，因为我是他主要的照顾者。
And so at that point, I really turned to running, not competitively at all, but just as a way to maybe take care of myself, because I was the primary caretaker for him here.
所以那时候，我又重新跑了起来，更多是把它当成一种减压的方式。
So at that point, I kind of got back to running, probably more as just like a stress reliever.
但我每天都坚持跑。
But, it's something I did like every day.
我想，那正是我真正重新爱上跑步的开始——把它当成减压的方式，慢慢又找回了对跑步的热爱。
And I think that was kind of my start of like, getting into running, and using it as a way to, to release some stress and, kind of fell fell back in love with running at that time.
首先，对你经历的这一切，我真的很抱歉，但你能够重新站起来，真的让人特别敬佩。
And firstly, I'm sorry, about everything you went through, but so, so impressive how you managed to to bounce back.
你跟我说过，你现在感觉完全健康了。
And you described to me feeling like you were fully healthy now.
但当你经历那些事的时候，你心里是怎么想的？
But as you were going through all of that, what was your headspace at the time?
你从一开始就想重回职业跑道吗？还是觉得它可能就只是个减压的方式？
And did you always know you wanted to get back to professional running, or did you think there was a good chance it would just kind of stay as a stress reliever?
是的。
Yeah.
我从来没想过自己会成为职业跑者，或者跑到这个水平。
So I never thought I would become like a pro runner or run at this level.
我只是打心底里喜欢跑步。
It's just I just always loved running.
就连上大学的时候，我也不是那种特别突出的选手。
And like even in college, I wasn't a superstar in college.
我说过，我只是个普通队员，靠自己争取进的校队。
Like I said, I was just I was a walk on on the college team.
我丈夫接受治疗期间，我给自己定下目标，想跑一场马拉松，后来我就参加了奶奶马拉松，成绩是2小时46分。
So I think while my husband was going through treatments, I kind of made a goal to run a marathon and then I ended up running grandma's marathon in a two forty six.
那时候，奥运选拔标准是2小时45分。
And at the time the OTQ standard was two forty five.
当时我完全是自己指导自己，跑步只是为丈夫减压，根本没怎么注意营养补给。
And that's kind of what then led me to think like, okay, if I'm so close to, you know, I was coaching myself, just running using it as stress reliever for my for my husband, you know, not really fueling.
既然那时候我离选拔标准只差一点点，如果再多花点心思，是不是就能达标？
And if I thought if I was that close to the OTQ standard at the time, if I put a little more effort into it, could I hit that standard?
我想，正是这个念头，让我真正下定决心提升自己，去冲击这些标准。
And I think that's kind of what kicked off my, my drive to get better and to start hit these standards.
然后为了 qualifying，我参加了2020年的奥运选拔赛。
And then to qualify that time is the twenty twenty trials to qualify to the twenty twenty trials.
从那以后，我的成绩越来越快，越来越快。
And then from there, just kept getting faster and faster and faster.
我的目标也越定越高，越来越高。
And my goals keep getting higher and higher and higher.
那是在2020年。
So this was in 2020.
你跑出了2小时45分。
You ran a two forty five.
是这样吗？
And then is that right?
结果我在2020年奥运选拔赛上没通过。
So it was in so I fall through the twenty twenty Olympic trial.
其实2018年我就跑出了2小时44分。
So in 2018, I ran the the two forty four.
然后为了达到标准，可能是2019年才拿到资格线。
And then took to get the standard, maybe it's 2019 to get the standard.
但之后我正式开启赛季，参加了25公里锦标赛。
But then, and then I kind of kicked off the season and I had, I ran the 25 ks champs.
就是美国全国锦标赛。
So the US champs.
那年我在25公里赛中拿了第三名，这是我人生第一次参加美国全国锦标赛。
And I ended up finishing third in the twenty five ks champs that year, which was my first ever US championship race.
我记得当时排在我前面的是莎拉·霍尔和艾玛·贝茨。
And I was, think I was behind like Sarah Hall and Emma Bates.
那场女子选手的水平真的很高。
So it was a good field of women.
我之前从来没参加过美国全国锦标赛。
And I like never ran a US championship race before.
所以那次比赛让我觉得，自己正朝着2020年奥运选拔赛稳步前进。
So that so then that kicked off like a good I thought it was going to be this great progression to go to the twenty twenty trials.
不幸的是，那个夏天我得了骶骨应力性骨折。
Unfortunately, after that, I ended up getting a sacral stress fracture, that summer.
之后我努力恢复，想赶在2020年选拔赛前复出，那场比赛是2020年2月举行的。
And then I tried to come back, in time to go to the twenty twenty trials, which was February 2020.
就在2020年选拔赛前的一两周，我被诊断出股骨颈应力性骨折。
And like the week or two before the 2020 trials, I was diagnosed with a femoral neck stress fracture.
看来我可能是太着急回来训练了。
So probably came and tried to come back a little bit too quick.
现在回头看，我也说不准当时该怎么做。
You know, I don't know hindsight.
但我最终没能站上2020年选拔赛的起跑线。
But I never made it to the start line of the 2020 trial.
不过那时候，我的个人最好成绩是2小时44分。
So but, yeah, at that time, my PR was two forty four.
对。
Yep.
这可能是我在播客里讲的一个冷笑话。
This is maybe a dad joke to make on the podcast.
不过我得说，你提到‘事后诸葛亮’这个词，正好对应2020年的选拔赛，真有意思。
But I have to say, think it's great that you made reference to the the saying hindsight is twenty twenty for the 2020 trials.
我知道。
I know.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
而且后来疫情就来了，你也知道，真是说不清。
I mean and then then COVID hit, you know, so I don't know.
那段时间太疯狂了。
It was crazy time.
是的。
Yeah.
那你是什么时候重新开始参赛的？
So at what point were you able to get back to racing?
因为我觉得大多数跑者在选拔赛后，没过几周就全面停赛了。
Because I think for most runners twenty twenty after the trials, it was pretty much like weeks afterwards that everything shut down.
是啊，我其实不太常参赛。
Yeah, I don't I don't race for a lot.
因为我之前被诊断出股骨应力性骨折，就在选拔赛前不久。
So because I like, I mean, I was diagnosed with the femoral stress fracture, right, like, right before the trials.
而且我刚从骶骨应力性骨折恢复过来。
And I was just coming back from a sacral stress fracture.
那时候我就想，管他呢，比赛停不停都无所谓了，世界都停摆了。
So at that time, I was like, I, I don't even care about like getting back to racing the world shut down.
我只希望身体能健康起来。
I just want to be healthy.
我就只想能好好跑步，别再遭骨伤的罪了。
Like I just want to be able to run, like, and not have these bone injuries.
所以我花了很多时间，确保自己完全康复，彻底停跑了一阵子。
So I took a really long time to make sure I was like fully healed and took a lot of time off running.
我主要就在家地下室骑自行车，那时候因为疫情，各种健身应用都免费了。
I just did a lot of like, did a lot of biking in my basement, you know, all the all the apps were like for free because it was COVID.
所以我确实停跑了很久。
So I just I took a lot of time off running.
然后大概到2021年或者2022年，我才慢慢重新开始跑。
And then I guess I kind of got back into it maybe 2021, 2022.
我又开始参加比赛了。
I started racing again.
是的。
Yeah.
如果你觉得我说得不对，尽管告诉我，但我猜，当时带着伤复出，说不定反而帮了你。
I let me know if this is not quite how you felt, but I I wonder if it almost helped during that time to be going in with an injury.
我觉得很多人可能都觉得，自己在巅峰状态时失去了些什么，或者错过了宝贵的时间，但听你这么说，你好像反而在那段时间里慢慢恢复了体能。
I I guess a lot of people might have been feeling like they lost something or or or weren't were losing times when they were in peak fitness, whereas it it sounds like you were really able to kind of bounce back and and get back to fitness during that time.
是的。
Yeah.
我跟别人提起过疫情期间的事。
So, you know, I told somebody this about COVID.
当我做脑部手术、我丈夫得癌症的时候，我觉得我的生活完全停摆了，而别人都还在继续过他们的日子。
So when I had my brain surgeries, my husband had cancer, I felt like my world stopped and everybody else got to keep living their life.
对吧？
Right?
我当时在医院，做各种检查、做手术，什么事都做不了。
Like, I'm in the hospital, I'm doing all these scans, I'm having all these surgeries, I can't do anything.
不能跑步，也不能锻炼。
I can't run, I can't exercise.
我的生活就这样停住了。
My life.
我当时住在医院里。
I was living in the hospital.
我不得不搬回家和父母一起住。
I had to live live at home with my parents.
我没法上班。
I couldn't work.
我丈夫那时得了癌症。
And then my husband had cancer.
所以那时候我觉得，我的生活停摆了，可别人都还在继续过日子。
So I feel like at that time, life stopped and everybody else got to keep living.
说来奇怪，新冠疫情让整个世界都停了下来。
And in a weird way, COVID, the entire world stopped.
我知道这对很多人来说都很艰难。
You know, and I know it's hard for a lot of people.
但对我而言，至少我不能跑步，别人也一样跑不了。
But at the same time, for me, it was like, yes, I can't race, but nobody can race.
所以那时候我的想法有点不一样，就像你所说的，我换了个角度看这件事。
So it was kind of that other like, kind of like you said, was I looked at it a little bit differently.
我觉得我们其实都在同一条船上，大家都停摆了，谁都没法例外。
I was like, we're kind of all in this together, you know, like the whole everybody shut down, we're all in the same position.
所以不如好好利用这段日子。
So like, let's make the most of it.
对我来说，这段经历真的很不一样。
So kind of a different experience for me.
你知道，每个人都会遇到各种事，工作变动，疫情那会儿发生了太多变化。
You know, things happen, know, everybody had things happen, jobs change, and there's a lot of stuff that happened during COVID.
但我挺幸运的，我从来没感染过新冠，我们一家人都一直挺健康的。
But I mean, was fortunate, like, I don't think I ever got COVID and we were pretty healthy through the time.
不过确实，那段时间跟平时很不一样。
But but, yeah, it was it was different.
我很庆幸自己熬过来了，幸运的是，我们家没人因此离开。
And I'm just happy that I was able to get through it and luckily didn't lose anybody to the, you know, to it.
是啊。
So so yeah.
对。
Yeah.
你这么看还挺积极的。
That's a that's an optimistic outtake on it.
我觉得你能这样回顾，说明你很有韧性。
I I think that's that shows a lot of resilience that you're able to look back on it that way.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
可惜过去的事没法改变了。
I mean, you can't change the past, unfortunately.
我真希望有些事能不一样，但确实没办法。
I wish I could change some of the things that have happened, but but we can't.
所以只能继续往前走。
So just gotta keep moving forward.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Definitely.
那我们快进一点，你之前提到过2020年参赛时带着伤，结果也没能如愿。
So fast forwarding just a little bit, you talked about the twenty twenty trials coming in with injuries and maybe not going exactly the way you wanted.
再跳到2024年。
Fast forward to 2024.
这时候你跑出了28秒的个人最好成绩，达到了2分37秒这个本来就很难的达标线。
At this point, you'd run your PB to 28 to hit an already tough standard of two thirty seven.
能跟我们说说那场比赛吗？是不是也没完全按你设想的那样发展？
Can you tell us a little bit about that race and how that maybe also didn't go exactly how you had envisioned?
是的。
Yeah.
所以去参加2024年选拔赛之前，我的个人最好成绩大概是2小时30分。
So so I did so going into the twenty twenty four trials, I think my PR was like two thirty.
而且那时候我觉得自己状态特别好，简直棒极了。
And again, I thought I was like super, super fit going into the trials.
但我一直有个难题，就是饮食管理。
But something I've always struggled with is nutrition.
这问题在我整个运动生涯里都困扰着我。
And I think it's something that I think has plagued me for a long time in my athletic career.
每次比赛前我都会生病。
Like I would get sick in races.
2022年我跑过休斯顿马拉松。
I ran like a Houston marathon in 2022.
那场我跑了大概2小时31分或者32分。
And I mean, I think I ran like a two thirty one or two thirty two.
但最后八到十英里，我几乎是在硬撑。
And I was getting like the last eight miles, 10 miles.
这可能有点太详细了，但整个比赛最后阶段我都在便血，根本没吃任何东西。
Mean, this might be TMI, but like I was pooping blood the entire end of the race, and I wasn't taking any nutrition.
情况真的非常糟糕。
And it was like it was really, really terrible.
后来做了些检查，我去看了医生，结果确诊是乳糜泻。
But eventually, after like some tests, I went and saw a doctor and they diagnosed me with celiac disease.
于是我彻底戒掉了所有含麸质的食物，完全改了饮食。
And so I thought, so I cut out all gluten, and I changed my diet completely.
这确实大大改善了我的训练状态。
And so that definitely helped me in my training.
但可惜的是，我以为自己已经基本控制住了。
But unfortunately, I thought I had most of it under control.
现在回头想想，其实还是偶尔在训练和比赛中出现肠胃不适的情况。
But I think looking back, I was still suffering some sometimes in some workouts and some races where my stomach wasn't cooperating.
不幸的是，在2024年的选拔赛里，同样的问题又出现了，大概跑到12英里时，肚子突然开始剧痛。
And unfortunately, at the twenty twenty four trials, same thing happened of like maybe 12 miles into the race, my stomach just started really hurting.
比赛时我吐了，最后不得不退赛，说实话，那时候我真的很崩溃。
And I got sick in the race and I ended up dropping out of the trials, which I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty devastated at the time.
我受到的打击特别大。
I took it pretty hard.
你为这一天付出了那么多努力，结果连比赛都完不成。
It was just, you know, you put so much work into one day and to not even be able to finish the race.
就算我能坚持跑完，也根本拿不到好成绩。
And it's not like if I could have finished, I would have.
我曾经跑过一次马拉松，后半程一直在拉血，但还是跑完了。
But I ran a marathon one time, I finished the marathon one time, pooping blood for the last half of the race.
那真是一段极其糟糕的经历。
And it is a terrible, terrible experience.
那天特别热。
And it was hot that day.
情况根本不可能好转。
It was not going to go well.
所以我不得不提前退出比赛。
So I had to end my race early.
所以那天确实挺难熬的。
So yeah, that was that was a tough day.
但从中我学到了很多东西。
But I have a lot of learnings coming out of it.
我们可以聊聊这些经验。
So we can get into those learnings.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
For sure.
在跑步播客里，根本不存在信息过量这回事。
Well, first of all, there's no such thing as TMI on a running podcast.
我们都经历过。
We've all been there.
我完全能理解。
So I totally understand.
不过，你 definitely 聊聊那场赛后发生了什么吧。
But, yeah, definitely get into what what came of that race.
嗯。
Yeah.
我不骗你，
So I'm I'm not gonna lie.
那场比赛之后，我真的快撑不住了，甚至开始想：我还要不要继续跑下去？
Like, I was kind of at my breaking point after that race where it was kind of like, do I wanna keep doing this or not?
因为真的不开心，每次站上起跑线，我都没信心。
Because it's it's really not fun to I was like lining up for these races and I wasn't confident.
营养跟得上，马拉松才能跑得下去。
Nutrition and you can't run a marathon if you can't take nutrition.
你必须得能吃下东西才行。
You have to be able to take nutrition.
很多人给我提了各种建议，我也都试过，比如有些医生建议我吃易蒙停，但我一吃易蒙停胃就特别难受。
And I you know, many people told me different things of like that I listened to or and I try different things like, you know, some doctors would suggest taking Imodium, but like my stomach hurt taking Imodiums.
我觉得这根本不是解决办法。
Don't think it's the right thing.
胃都疼了，吃这个怎么可能有用呢？
Like that's not actually going to help me if my stomach's hurting.
所以我一直在找真正的解决办法。
So I was on a quest to find like an answer.
后来我终于见到了几位胃肠科医生。
So I was able to get into some GI doctors.
有一位医生说我的血管特别细，可能得做手术。
And one doctor, he told me like I had really skinny veins or something and I might need surgery.
但后来我又去看了另一位医生，我记得特别清楚，离开诊室的时候我就在想，这人根本不懂，他帮不了我。
But then I talked to another doctor and he I remember I still remember because I left left the doctor and I was like, he doesn't know anything like he this is not going to help me.
但他建议我每天晚上都吃纤维素。
But he suggested that I start taking fiber every night.
所以大概是去年三四月的时候，我开始吃纤维补充剂。
And so that was probably like March or April of last year, I started taking fiber.
说实话，效果简直像开了挂一样。
And honestly, it's like chain.
听起来可能有点傻，但它真的彻底改变了我的生活，让我在运动时的能量补给变得非常顺畅。
It sounds really silly, but it's changed my life and my fueling.
现在，我在跑步和比赛时都能很好地补充能量了。
I don't like now I'm able to fuel on all my runs and my races.
我现在再也不容易生病了。能够保持健康、补充能量去跑步比赛，说实话，带着这种不会生病的信心去参赛，真的彻底改变了我的生活。
I never get sick anymore, which like just being able to be healthy and take fuel and run the races and honestly, just being confident going into a race that I'm not going to get sick has been like life changing.
所以，是的，当时那段日子真的非常艰难。
So yeah, that's it was a really tough, tough moment at the time.
我当时真的感到特别无助，因为很多跑者会说，这只是跑步圈常见的问题而已。
And I really felt really helpless just because, you know, a lot of runners will be like, it's just a runner thing.
对吧？
Right?
如果只是偶尔发生一两次，那可能真是跑者常有的事。
And maybe if it happens like once or twice, it's a runner thing.
但如果每天都这样，那就不是跑者该忍受的了。
But if it's happening every day, it's not a runner thing.
人们理应得到答案，能够健康地跑步，而不让这个问题影响日常生活。
And, know, people deserve to get some answers and be able to be healthy and running and not have it affect their daily life.
对于中老年跑者来说，最大的挑战之一就是尽量预防，或者至少减缓随着年龄增长而出现的常见体能衰退。
For Masters runners, one of the biggest challenges is trying to prevent or at the very least slow down many of the common performance declines that happen with age.
近年来，有一种新兴且备受关注的化合物叫做衰老细胞清除剂。
One emerging and exciting compound gaining attention is senolytics.
衰老细胞清除剂是一类专门针对并清除体内受损或功能异常细胞的物质，这些细胞被称为衰老细胞。
Senolytics are a class of compounds designed to selectively target and eliminate damaged or dysfunctional cells in the body, which are called senescent cells.
通过清除这些细胞，衰老细胞清除剂有助于组织再生、减轻炎症，并逆转部分衰老迹象。
By removing these cells, senolytics aim to rejuvenate tissues, reduce inflammation, and reverse some aspects of aging.
早期研究显示，衰老细胞清除剂能降低全身性炎症，通过减少动脉中衰老细胞的数量来改善血管功能，促进肌肉修复，提升运动能力并缩短恢复时间，甚至显著改善关节健康。
Early research has shown that senolytics can lead to a reduction in systemic inflammation, improve vascular function by reducing senescent cell burden in the arteries, enhance muscle regeneration while also increasing exercise capacity and decreasing recovery time, and even lead to significant improvements in joint health.
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除了训练方面的不足，缺铁是导致锻炼和比赛表现不佳最常见的原因之一。
Outside of training deficiencies, low iron is one of the most common reasons for poor results during workouts and races.
研究显示，接近百分之五十六的男性跑者和百分之八十六的女性跑者都存在影响表现的缺铁问题。
Research indicates that almost fifty six percent of male runners and eighty six percent of female runners suffer from an iron deficiency that hampers performance.
光靠吃含铁丰富的食物，或者用传统铁补充剂，效果并不好，因为铁元素本来就很难被身体吸收和利用。
The problem with only eating iron rich foods or using traditional iron supplements is that iron is notoriously difficult for the body to absorb and utilize.
事实上，动物性食物中的铁只有大约百分之二十五能被吸收，植物性来源的铁吸收率更低，只有百分之十七或更少。
In fact, only about 25% of the dietary iron found in animal sources is absorbed and only 17% or less of iron from plant sources is absorbed.
但MAS Iron找到了解决吸收难题的方法，确保你能获得维持健康和提升表现所需的铁元素。
But MAS Iron has found a way to combat these absorption issues to ensure you can get the iron you need for health and performance.
我自己也经历过缺铁的困扰，发现MAS铁剂不仅有效，还特别好吸收。
I've suffered myself with getting enough iron and found that MAS Iron is not only effective, but easy to digest too.
它把吸收效率最高的元素铁，搭配了经过临床验证的助吸收成分，效果远超市面上其他铁剂。
By combining the most efficiently absorbed form of elemental iron with clinically proven ingredients to aid in absorption, mass iron performs like no other iron product on the market.
临床研究显示，MAS铁剂的配方能将铁的吸收率提升四倍，生物利用度提高30%，同时把肠胃不适减少一半。
In fact, clinical research has shown the combination of ingredients in mass iron can quadruple absorption and increase bioavailability by 30%, all while reducing GI issues by 50%.
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没错。
Yeah.
有人跟你说，吃点易蒙停就能解决一切，这听起来简直是在敷衍你。
It really sounds like invalidating to have somebody tell you just take Imodium and that'll fix everything.
但我觉得，很多问题其实源于传统医学认知和体育运动之间的脱节，因为运动员，尤其是像你这样高水平的运动员，医疗需求真的完全不同。
But I I think a lot of it comes down to a disconnect between kind of traditional medical knowledge and and athletics because I I think, really, the medical needs of athletes, especially at a such a high performance level like yourself are so different.
对。
Yeah.
而且还要花时间去真正理解，这种状况对一个人的生活有多大影响——它不只是影响我在比赛中的表现。
And it's just, think, also taking the time to, like, understand, like, how much it's affecting somebody's life because it it wasn't just affecting me, like, in races.
我以前有个教练跟我说，你的静息心率太高了。
Like what I had a previous coach who told me, oh, your heart rate's just too high.
你没法好好吸收能量补给。
You can't you're not being you're not able to take in fueling.
可我的心率根本没那么高。
Well, my heart rate's not that high.
就是在轻松跑的时候也会这样。
And it's happening on easy runs too.
所以我曾经很长一段时间都相信这类建议。
So just like listening to advice that, you know, I believe for a long time.
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后来我回过头想想，发现其实连轻松跑的时候也在发生。
And then I look back and I think through it, I'm like, it was happening in my easy run.
那时候我的心率都快到120了。
So you know, my heart rate's like 120.
这根本说不通啊。
Like that, it doesn't make sense.
所以这件事拖了特别特别久。
And so it just took a really, really long time.
结果我去参赛的时候，因为怕吃东西会恶心，干脆就不吃任何东西。
And unfortunately, like, I would go to races and I wouldn't fuel for the races because I'd be so afraid that I was going to get sick.
所以我的表现长期都被拖累了。
So I think it affected my performance for a long time.
每当我想到这个，就有点懊恼：要是几年前就能明白这些就好了。
So, you know, sometimes I get a little frustrated when I think about it, like, man, if I would have learned this a couple of years earlier.
但我就是没明白。
But but I didn't.
所以我现在只能好好利用它了。
And so I just have to put it to good use now.
也许有听众正经历类似的问题，能从中学到点什么，试着去调整一下。
And, you know, maybe somebody listening can learn something and can give it a try if they're struggling with something similar.
是的。
Yeah.
我也不想把这期节目变成纯粹讲营养的，但我特别好奇纤维这块，因为每次跑步或训练前后，我都会尽量避免吃太多纤维，我知道这容易引起肠胃不适。
And I don't I don't wanna turn this too much into a nutrition specific podcast, but I'm really curious about this fiber fiber piece in in particular because a lot of the time around runs or workouts, I personally try to avoid having too much fiber, and I know that can cause GI distress.
那你是怎么理解它能起到帮助作用的呢？
So do you have any insights as to how that was able to help?
对。
Yeah.
不过我也不太清楚那些专业的原理。
Well, so I don't know all the technicals.
但我还记得，当时看完医生回家，我心里就想：他根本什么都不懂。
But I mean, still remember because I am not I'm I was like, I left the doctor and I like came home and I was like, he doesn't know anything.
我当时跟我老公说，我真是特别讨厌这个医生。
Like, I was telling my husband I was totally hating on this doctor.
后来我向他道了歉。
I apologize to him later.
因为你说得对。
Because like, you were right.
但他听起来觉得这完全违背常理。
But he just said it sounds super counterintuitive.
但区别在于，它能稍微把东西凝聚起来。
But the difference is like it kind of like maybe box it up a little bit.
这样一旦你得去厕所，也不会那么急迫。
And so that like then if you have to go to the bathroom, it's like not an urgent thing.
我以前可是每天都有严重的血性腹泻。
And it's not like because I was having like dire, like bloody diarrhea, like every day.
所以区别就在于，它能让粪便变得更成型一些。
And so the difference is like, it just kind of bulks everything up a little bit more.
这样能帮你稍微调节一下身体状态。
And so that it just helps maybe regulate you some.
就不会突然有急着上厕所的情况了。
And then it's not like an urgent thing that's happening.
我不太清楚背后的科学原理。
So I don't know all the science behind it.
但我清楚的是，它彻底改变了我的生活。
I just know that it has changed my life.
确实如此。
So yeah.
这挺厉害的。
That's pretty cool.
在无麸质饮食方面，你作为运动员，肯定摄入了不少碳水，训练量也很大。
And then on the celiac front, you're probably taking in a lot of carbs as an athlete, putting in a lot of mileage.
对。
Yeah.
你是怎么确保摄入足够营养，又不惹得肠胃不适的呢？
How do you get it all in while making sure that you're not taking anything that's gonna upset your stomach?
确实如此。
Yeah.
这对我来说也是一个很大的成长过程。
So that was a really big learning experience for me too.
我说过，刚确诊乳糜泻的时候，我觉得自己根本没吃够营养，因为太害怕吃东西了，老是反胃。
Like I said, I think when I was first diagnosed with celiacs, like, I don't think I was taking enough nutrition at the time, because I was so afraid to eat because I was getting sick all the time.
就算后来我开始戒掉麸质了，还是经常不舒服。
Like I was still getting sick, even once I started cutting out gluten.
因为一开始你得搞清楚哪些东西含麸质，比如酱油，根本不能碰。
Because it was, you know, first, you have to learn everything that has gluten, like soy sauce, can't have soy sauce.
那时候我根本不知道这些事。
I didn't, know, I didn't know those type of things.
所以花了不少时间才学会怎么调整饮食。
So it just took me a while to learn how to change eating.
但现在，幸运的是，无麸质已经成了一种潮流。
But now, I mean, luckily, gluten free is kind of like a trend.
所以市面上有非常多无麸质的选择。
So there's so many options out there that are that are gluten free options.
至于去参加比赛旅行，我会尽量保持饮食非常稳定。
And then when it comes to like traveling to races, I try to stay like super consistent.
每次比赛前一天晚上，我都会吃Chipotle。
So I always eat Chipotle the night before the race.
很简单。
Very simple.
通常我去比赛时，酒店附近一两英里内就有一家Chipotle。
I mean, typically when I go to the races, there's a Chipotle within like a mile to two miles of my hotel.
点碗米饭，一直这么吃，特别稳定。
So you get rice, you know, very consistent.
我知道这对我有效。
I know it works for me.
然后我会带着我所有的其他食物旅行。
And then I travel with all my other food.
所以我得带上无麸质的贝果。
So I got bring bagels that they have gluten free bagels.
我会打包我的无麸质贝果，再带点蜂蜜一起。
I'll pack my gluten free bagels, and I'll bring honey with me.
还有很多水果零食是不错的选择，比如葡萄干，或者香蕉也很好。
And there's a lot of like fruit snacks are a good option to add in or like raisins are really good to add in or they have, you know, banana.
其实很多水果、干果、简单碳水化合物都有无麸质的选项。
Like there's a lot of fruits and dried fruits and simple carbs and stuff that have gluten free options.
就是在这之间做选择而已。
It's just choosing this over that.
就像我说的，我每次去比赛都会把所有需要的东西都带上，首要目的是确保吃够量。
And like I said, I always pack everything I need to the races just to make sure number one, I'm eating enough.
我会把所有东西都摆出来，我知道，比如赛前每天大概需要四五百克的碳水化合物。
So I'll like, I'll lay everything out like I know, you know, I need like, I don't know, I think it's like four hundred and five hundred grams of carbs a day, like leading into a marathon.
所以我都会把所有东西都摆出来，确保带够了吃的，也确保自己吃够了。
So I lay it all out, make sure I'm packing enough food, make sure I'm eating enough food.
而且只要我随身带着无麸质的食物，就不必担心去餐厅时会不会碰到含麸质的菜品。
And then if I have my gluten free stuff with me, I don't have to worry about like if I go to a restaurant, if it's going to be gluten free or not.
如我所说，现在这年头，其实有很多选择可供大家参考。
Like I said, luckily these days, there there are a lot of options out there for people, you know.
所以，
So,
是的。
yeah.
对。
Yeah.
你一提到Chipotle，我忍不住笑了，因为我们最近刚做过一期节目，采访了一位来自Chipotle的人，聊的是Strava挑战赛，你听说过吗？
I kinda chuckled a little bit when the first one you mentioned was Chipotle because we actually somewhat recently had an episode with somebody from Chipotle talking about the Strava challenge if you've heard of it.
我听说过，是的。
I did hear yeah.
我听说过这个。
I heard of that.
是的。
Yeah.
这挺有意思的。
Well, that's cool.
说实话，我不太清楚。
I mean, what I don't know.
我其实没用过Strava，所以具体挑战是什么我也说不上来，但我确实在Instagram上看到有人讨论这个Strava挑战。
I am actually not on Strava, so I don't I don't exactly know what the challenge was, but I did I saw on, like, Instagram people talk about the Strava challenge.
太棒了。
Very cool.
如果你不用Strava，那你会记录跑步里程吗？还是完全凭感觉，用秒表计时？
So if you're not on Strava, do you track your mileage at all or do you go completely by feel and use a stopwatch?
不会。
No.
我用加林手表，我的教练用Final Surge来追踪数据。
I track I have a Garmin and I use my coach uses final surge.
所以我就是通过这个来记录跑步里程。
So I track my my mileage that way.
我真的说不上来。
I just I don't know.
我从来没觉得跑步是件普通的事，它对我来说特别私人，就像我说的，它帮我在人生最艰难的时刻撑了过来。
I've never I think running is really personal to me And it's like I said, like it helped me get through some really, really hard times in my life.
我不太清楚为什么，但我就是想让自己感到骄傲。
And I don't know, I I just want to like, want to make myself proud.
我知道自己该做哪些训练。
I know the workouts I need to do.
我就按教练说的去做，老老实实完成每一项。
And I'm doing that like I do what my coach tells me to do.
我真的说不上来。
So I don't know.
有一次有人建议我注册个Strava，我注册了，结果感觉特别不舒服。
One time somebody suggested I make a Strava and I made a Strava and it like made me feel really dirty.
就是觉得这根本不适合我。
Like it just was like not me.
说白了，我就是觉得又多了一件事要操心。
Like it was just not not like I don't I felt like it was like another thing for me to do.
所以我就把账号删了。
And so I ended up deleting it.
我不是不想让人看到我跑了多少。
It's not that I don't want people to see what I'm doing.
我只是说不清楚为什么。
I just I don't know.
我明白。
Yeah.
我能理解。
I get it.
我觉得，尽管运动员总以为这跟社交媒体不一样，但其实它还是有很多类似的元素，比如总在跟别人比较，还老想展示一种根本不存在的完美训练状态——哪怕是最顶尖的选手也没法做到。
I think as much as athletes like to think it's not the same as social media, I think it still has a lot of those same elements of, you know, comparison and oftentimes trying to portray some type of perfect training that really doesn't exist even at the elite level.
对。
Yeah.
我平时全职上班，说实话，我根本搞不懂这东西怎么运作。
And like, I work full time, so I don't even I honestly don't even know how it works.
我就想，我得登录吗？
Like, I don't know, I have to like log in?
然后还得想个有趣的文案，写清楚我今天练了啥？
And do I have to make up with a fun saying and like, say what my workout was?
感觉又多了一件非做不可的差事。
Like, it just sounds like another thing I have to do.
我真的没那个精力了。
And I just like don't have the mental.
我连一点心理空间都没有了——早上跑步、下班后跑步，累得要死，回家还得洗澡、准备第二天上班，所有心思都得放在工作上。
I don't have the mental space, like right and running or like in the morning before work and running after work, and I'm tired and I'm putting, you know, I have to come home and I have to shower and get ready for work and put my mental energy into my work.
我没时间再去操心还要记录训练，我得跟教练说说今天练得怎么样。
I don't have time to like, think about another thing of where to log my training, because I also like need to talk to my coach and tell him like, how do I feel on the workout?
今天练了些什么？
What workouts like what did I like?
配速是多少？
What were my splits?
感觉好吗？
Did I did I feel good?
是不是练过头了？
Did I feel like I was like over exerting myself?
所以我每次练完，都是直接打电话给教练，跟他聊训练的情况。
And so I feel like my after my workouts, I'm spending my time like calling my coach and talking to my coach about my workouts.
再让我去别的地方记一遍，说实话，我觉得有点吃不消。
So having to having to do it in another place, I don't know, just seems a little overwhelming for me, I think.
是的。
Yeah.
我懂。
I get it.
我觉得很多跑者都是这样。
I think a lot of runners yeah.
我觉得很多跑者，包括我自己，都该学学怎么花时间反思跑步带来的收获，而不是琢磨怎么取个搞笑的Strava标题。
I I I think a lot of runners, including myself, could learn something about spending your time thinking about what you can learn from your runs and not about what your funny Strava title is gonna be.
也许我只是不够聪明。
Maybe I'm just not clever enough.
可能问题就在这儿。
Maybe that's the problem.
我不确定。
I don't know.
你明白吧？
You know?
我真的不知道。
I don't know.
网上有些网站能帮你生成标题，你只要选默认的‘晨跑’‘午跑’之类的就行。
There there are sites online that will generate titles for you where you can just, you know, go with the default morning run, afternoon run.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我不清楚。
I don't know.
我不确定。
I don't know.
也许有一天吧，但现在这事儿让我太有压力了。
Maybe maybe one day, but it just stresses me out right now.
只要是让我有压力的事，我都想直接删掉。
So anything that stresses me out, I just wanna cross it off the list.
是的。
Yeah.
我能理解。
I could understand that.
我在这档播客里迟早想聊到日程上最重要的那场大赛——伦敦马拉松，但我想先退一步说件事。我回顾你的跑步生涯时，有一场比赛特别吸引我，就是多伦多马拉松，因为那是我的家乡。
I do I do at some point in this podcast wanna get to I know the big race on the calendar, which is London, but I do wanna take one other step back because as I was going over your running career, there was one race that you had run which stood out, which is the Toronto Marathon because that's where I was from.
那你对那场比赛印象怎么样？
So what did you think of that race?
那场挺特别的。
That was an interesting one.
我那时候觉得自己其实能跑得更快。
So I definitely thought I could have ran faster in that race.
我觉得那天的天气实在太糟糕了。
I think it I think it was the weather was really tough when I did it.
那年风特别大。
It was really windy that year.
我记得整场比赛风都特别猛。
I mean, I remember there I it was windy the whole race.
而且大家都觉得那天风特别大。
And I think everybody thought it was thought it was like the windy, like really windy.
所以我觉得没人跑出我预期的速度。
So I don't think anybody ran as fast as I thought.
我当时以为自己跑了两小时三十六分左右。
I mean, I really thought I think I ran like two thirty sixteen.
反正就是刚过两小时三十分钟。
I don't know, just over two thirty.
我本来确信自己能跑进两小时三十分钟。
I definitely thought I was going to be able to run under two thirty.
结果没做到。
And I did not.
这方面我确实有点失望。
So I was a little disappointed in that aspect of it.
还有，比赛前一天晚上，我们酒店的火警响了。
Also, the night before the fire alarm went off in our hotel room.
哦，天哪，我是凌晨三点才下楼的。
Oh, no, like walked down like, I got 3AM.
然后我走了三十多层楼梯，到外面坐着，等消防车来。
And I walked down like 30 flights of stairs, like sit outside as the fire trucks came.
不过比赛本身，主办方做得真的特别棒。
So but the race was I mean, the organizers, it was fantastic.
整个比赛体验都非常出色。
And they like that the race experience was fabulous.
所以我还是很享受整个比赛周末的所有安排的。
So I definitely enjoyed like the race weekend and all of that stuff.
只是刚跑完比赛出来的时候。
Just coming away from the race.
我觉得那天的天气有点糟糕。
I thought the weather was a little tough.
我 definitely 觉得自己那天本可以跑得更快。
I definitely thought I could have run faster that day.
但火警系统根本没准备好应对这种情况。
But and the fire alarm was not ready for that.
你懂的。
You know?
凌晨三点遇到这种事，确实挺棘手的。
That that's definitely tricky at 3AM.
是的。
Yeah.
大家都从酒店里走出来，我想每个人心里都在想同样的事。
And everybody was walking out of the hotel, and I think everybody's kinda was thinking the same thing.
这事儿是真的吗？
Like, is this real?
是真的。
It was real.
好像厨房里有点小火苗之类的。
I think there was, a little fire in the kitchen or something.
所以呢。
So yeah.
那你当时是和那些精英们住在一起吗？
And and were you staying with all the elites?
也就是说，整个行业都受到影响了吗？
Like, was everyone in the field impacted?
是的，所有人都受到了影响。
Yeah, everybody.
没错，每个人都受到了影响。
Yes, everybody was impacted.
不过说实话，我们都感觉差不多。
So but yeah, I think we all kind of felt the same way.
所以啊，我当时就在想，你知道的，我也说不清楚。
So yeah, it was I mean, I I was thinking that, you know, I don't know.
也许有一天，我还会再做一次。
I might want like maybe one day I'll do it again.
我觉得要是天气好，那儿跑起来特别快。
I think if it's good weather, I think you can run really fast there.
我们那天风特别大。
Think we just had a really windy day.
所以成绩可能慢了点，不过也没关系。
So I think the times were a little bit slower, but but that's okay.
是的。
Yeah.
我希望你以后还能再来，这赛道真的很棒。
Well, I I hope you do come back because I think it's an awesome course.
我其实就在你之前一年跑过这次比赛。
And I actually ran it just the year before you.
说来巧了，那天天气好多了，但成绩差不多。
Funny enough, probably in much better weather, but a similar ish time.
不过我当时运气好，风不大。
But I I got lucky that there was not much wind that time.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得是因为在水边。
I think just because it's on the water.
所以我觉得确实是这样。
So I think it yeah.
可能主要看情况吧，不过我也说不准。
It probably just depends if but but yeah, I don't know.
这个周末特别开心。
The weekend was really was really fun.
我不太确定。
I don't know.
有一英里我根本感觉不到自己在前进。
And there was one mile I didn't even think I was like moving.
我当时就想，天啊，我真的说不准。
I was like, man, I don't know.
你知道的，一刮风就特别难受。
You know, when it hits the wind is tough.
风大概是我不最喜欢的东西了。
Wind is probably my least favorite thing.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Alright.
上次我聊过多伦多马拉松，但我想知道你对最后一公里有什么看法——那里有个特别微妙的上坡，如果不是跑全马，根本注意不到，可偏偏在终点前感觉特别要命。
And and last time I I dwell on the Toronto Marathon, but curious what you think of that last kilometer because there's like this very subtle uphill that you would never notice if you're not running a marathon, but it just feels terrible at the end of the race.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
说实话，我觉得那并不是比赛最难受的部分，我记得应该是第15或16英里左右吧？
You know, honestly, I feel like to me, that wasn't the worst part of the race, because the I think isn't there was it like mile 15 or 16?
你得跑出去再折返，好像还多加了一小段路。
You go like out and back or something like there's like a little like little add on.
我觉得那天主要是因为风太大了，才特别吃力。
I think that's and I think it was just because of the win that day.
相比之下，终点那点小坡根本算不了什么。
I think that was the hardest part of the race than that little incline at the end.
不过没错，那种终点前的花招，他们总爱搞这种小陷阱。
But but yeah, those those ending teasers that that they always make it tricky.
对。
Yes.
没错。
Yes.
确实如此。
They do.
下坡冲刺。
Downhill finish.
真希望每场比赛都是平地加下坡，还带着顺风，你说是不是？
I can't everything just be flat and downhill with a tailwind, you know?
听起来真不错。
That sounds great.
每场比赛都该这样才好。
Every race should be like that.
对吧？
Right?
我明白。
I know.
从技术上讲，波士顿马拉松最后确实是下坡，但我不觉得这就让赛道变快了。
I mean, technically, Boston is downhill at the end, but I don't know that that makes it a fast course.
是啊。
Yeah.
我确实有。
I've yeah.
我从来没跑过波士顿马拉松。
I've never run Boston.
有次我特别想跑一次波士顿。
One time one I definitely wanna run Boston.
对。
Yeah.
那边的天气也挺难预料的。
The weather there can be tricky too.
所以谁也说不准。
So you never know.
是的。
Yes.
以天气多变著称。
Definitely known for its tricky weather.
好的。
Okay.
那我们回到即将来临的重头戏——伦敦马拉松。
So let's, let's go back to the big one coming up now, London Marathon.
我们录制这段时，距离比赛还有四周。
As we're recording this, we're now four weeks out.
你赛前的训练情况怎么样？训练进展还顺利吗？
What does your training look like leading up to it, and and how is training going?
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得训练进行得特别顺利。
I think training is going really well.
我的跑量一直很稳定。
My mileage has been pretty consistent.
每周平均跑一百一十五到一百二十英里。
I averaged like a 115 to a 120 miles a week.
一直都很稳定。
Pretty consistent there.
我们做了几次特别长的跑，最长的一次是轻松跑，跑了26英里。
We've done a couple like really long so I've run my longest run just easy run.
我最长的那趟跑就是26英里。
So I run 26 miles.
另外还跑了几次22到24英里的距离。
So my longest run, but I've done, you know, couple other ones like 22 to 24 miles.
确实把长距离轻松跑都安排进去了。
So definitely getting in the long easy miles.
每周我还安排几次强度训练。
And then we've been working like the I do a couple workouts a week.
通常我会做一次短一点的跑道训练，比如20组400米之类的。
So typically, I'll do one shorter track workout, whether it's like 20 by 400 or something along those lines.
然后再做一次时间长一点的乳酸阈值训练。
And then I'll do a longer like threshold type of workout.
我也不太确定。
So I don't know.
我做过一英里半的间歇、两英里的间歇，还有两次四英里的那种跑法。
I've done like mile and half repeats, two mile repeats, you know, four mile like two by four miles.
各种长距离间歇都试过。
So just all sorts of different, like longer reps.
我觉得训练进展得很顺利，对自己的体能状态挺有把握，一直保持得不错，还经常做康复训练。
But I think training is going really well and, you know, I'm comfortable with where my fitness is at and I've been staying pretty healthy and I do a lot of PT work.
今天我觉得自己的训练状态非常好。
So I today, I feel pretty pretty confident in my training.
我现在就是专心调整心态，撑过接下来这几周。
I'm just, you know, working to keep the mind straight and get through these next couple weeks.
是的。
Yeah.
你之前在播客里提到过，你有一份全职工作。
And you you mentioned already on the podcast that you have a full time job.
你平时是做什么工作的？
What is it that you do for work?
那你怎么安排得下每周115英里的训练量？
And how do you fit 115 mile weeks around that?
是的。
Yeah.
我学的是供应链和运营管理。
So I, my degrees in supply and supply chain, in operations management.
我现在是一名高级品类规划师。
So I, am a senior category planner.
我负责为公司规划库存和销售。
So I do I plan inventory and sales for for a company.
公司叫霍桑园艺公司。
They're called Hawthorne Gardening Company.
我的工作是远程的。
And my job is remote.
我以前可不是远程办公，但后来就进了这家公司。
So I used to not have a remote position, but I, you know, I got into this job.
我之前上班时就认识这里的副总裁和总监。
I knew the VP and director from previous jobs that I had.
所以我已经在这儿干了三年左右了。
And so I've been here for like three years now.
我觉得远程工作带来的灵活性真的帮了大忙。
And so I think having the flexibility with a remote job helps out a lot.
我照样还是朝九晚五的作息。
I definitely still have the typical like nine to five like hours.
说真的，我好像从来没真正休息过。
I don't know, I think I've never not worked.
这已经是我习以为常的生活节奏了。
So, you know, it's just what I'm used to.
而且我现在再也不用通勤了。
And I think I don't have to commute anymore.
以前我每天通勤，现在省下不少时间。
Like I used to commute so that saves time in the day.
我还能在午饭前后，随便挤出二十分钟在家跑跑步，挺方便的。
And I'm, you know, I'm able to squeeze in, you know, twenty minutes of court, you know, throughout the day during lunch or something at home.
这样安排起来确实更灵活了。
So I have a bit more flexibility there.
我平时跑步基本都在家附近，轻松跑的时候就直接出门，离这儿一英里外有个高中田径场。
But and I also run, you know, I run from my home most days on my easy runs and there's a track to go to high school track is only, you know, a mile away.
去锻炼也不用花很长时间赶路。
So don't I have a long travel to, like, my workouts either.
反正我就这么安排，挺顺的。
So I just make it work.
我猜你经常跑两次吧，早上至少一次？
And I I'm assuming you're doing a lot of doubles, so probably at least one in the morning.
那你一般几点起床，才能把跑步安排进去？
What time do you have to wake up, I guess, to get your runs in?
我是这样，要是有大训练，就得四点三刻起床，好提前吃点东西补充能量。
I mean, I wake up at like, if I'm doing like a big workout, I'll wake up at like, 04:34 forty five, just to make sure I get enough fuel in before.
不过时差一变我就乱了，现在天黑得早，以前我根本不想出门跑步。
But it's different with the time to, you know, time change kind of throws me off because now we're back and how before it was like, don't like to run.
我不喜欢在黑夜里一个人跑步，太不安全。
So I don't like to run-in the dark, because I'm running by myself.
所以我都等到天亮才开始，现在大概七点一刻到七点半之间才动身。
So I do I don't I will wait till the sun comes up, which right now is like 07:15 to 07:30 to start my workouts.
只要九点前能回家，我就满足了。
But as long as I'm home by nine, you know, that's all I need.
作为早起跑步的人，咱们能聊聊夏令时有多烦人吗？
As a fellow morning runner, can we take a moment to complain about daylight savings?
我觉得就我一个人觉得，傍晚多出点阳光根本没什么好高兴的。
Because I feel like I'm the only person who's not happy about the extra daylight at the end of the day.
我懂。
I know.
我一般晚上八点到九点就睡了。
I'm like, man, I go to bed at like eight, 08:00, 09:00.
晚上我不需要多余的时间。
I don't need time with me at night.
我需要的是早上多出点时间。
I need it in the morning.
这话真点醒我了。
You know, that that hit me.
今年春天特别明显，早上多出一小时，能让我从容准备上班，毕竟我现在的训练强度不小。
It hit me hard this spring because it does, you know, that extra hour in the morning to get ready for work just because I don't know, these workouts I'm doing are tough.
要是下班后再训练，真得给那些人点个赞，他们真不容易。
And so to do the workouts, you know, after work, kudos to the people who can do it after work.
我以前也下班后训练。
I used to do workouts after work.
工作八九个小时之后再进行高强度训练，真的挺吃力的。
And I mean, doing hard workouts after, you know, eight, nine hours at work and that's tough.
这完全是另一种锻炼意志力的方式。
It's a whole another way to train your brain to be tough.
对。
Yeah.
这确实能让你学会坚韧，哪怕天都黑了，还得去跑道上跑一英里一组的间歇跑，速度还得保持在五分二十秒左右。
It'll definitely teach you to be tough to go down to the track and run, you know, mile repeats at five twenty pace or whatever you're doing and pretty much pitch black.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yes.
所以我也不太确定。
So so I don't know.
对。
Yeah.
我明白。
I know.
我真希望早上能多出一个小时，但也只能将就着用现有的时间了。
I wish I do wish that we still had an extra hour in the morning, but I gotta make do with what we have, I guess.
是啊，没错。
Yeah, no.
快到伦敦马拉松的时候，确实挺好的，尤其是减量训练阶段，跑量少了，白天也渐渐变长了。
And and by the time you get close to London Marathon, it's, it's nice when it's of course, it's like right when you're in the taper that, and you're running less mileage that you start to get more daylight.
我知道。
I know.
这情况跟我这儿差不多，不过我不太清楚你们那边天气怎么样。
It's not and it's like me, but I don't know what the weather is like by you.
俄亥俄州的天也特别阴沉。
It's just like Ohio gets so gray though, too.
我也说不清楚。
It's not a I don't know.
我先抱怨一下天气吧。
I'm just gonna complain about the weather for a second.
我们就只是想晒晒太阳。
It's we just I just want some sun.
就想有片蓝天，阳光明媚的好天气去跑步。
Just want some blue sky, sunny weather to run-in.
你懂的吧？
You know?
是的。
Yeah.
我就希望每天都是凉爽十度，晴朗无风。
I just want it to be 10 degrees cool, clear, no wind every day.
这要求过分吗？
Is that too much to ask for?
我懂。
I know.
明白。
Know.
你懂的。
You know?
我知道。
I know.
不可能样样都如愿。
You can't have them all.
说到训练，你提到要把训练安排成最后的冲刺阶段。
So when it comes to training, you mentioned putting your workouts into final surge.
对。
Mhmm.
据我了解，你最近才开始和麦卡德训练营合作吧？
As I understand it, you've somewhat recently started working with McCurdy Train.
你是什么时候转过去的？现在感觉怎么样？
When did you make that shift, and how is it going?
其实我现在已经不和他们合作了。
So I'm actually not with them anymore.
好的。
Okay.
我已经离开他们两年多了。
I haven't been with them for, like, over two years.
我之前被他们指导了两年，但后来感觉不太对劲，成绩也上不去。
So I was coached by them for, like I was coached by them for two years and then it just wasn't working out and I wasn't performing the way that I needed to perform.
现在我是由一位本地教练指导。
So I actually am coached by somebody local.
他叫吉姆·尤尔切维奇，年轻时候可是个厉害的长跑选手。
His name is Jim Jurcevic and he was actually quite the runner back in his day.
所以是这样的。
And so yeah.
这太了不起了。
That's incredible.
真的很抱歉。
I I really apologize.
我完全不知道。
I had no idea.
那你是怎么认识这位跑者的？
But how how did you meet this runner?
吉姆？
Jim?
对。
Yep.
是的。
Yeah.
他以前是这里几家本地店铺的联合老板。
So he he used to be a co owner of some local stores here.
我离开麦卡迪之后，真的需要一个人帮我提升，听我说话，帮我突破那些关键的瓶颈。
And so when I left McCurdy, I like I just needed I needed somebody to just help help me get better and listen to me and help me make the jumps that I needed to make the jumps.
有人建议我去找吉姆聊聊。
And somebody recommended that I reach out to Jim.
而且没错，我记得大概是2000年，他在十公里比赛中拿了第六名。
And yeah, he like I think in 2000, he finished sixth in the 10.
所以他当年可是一位很厉害的跑者。
So he was quite the runner back in his day.
他其实代表过汉森队参赛，我觉得是这样。
And he actually ran for, I think he ran for Hansen's.
他是最早那批跑者之一。
Like he's one of the original runners.
所以我就直接联系了他。
So yeah, I just reached out to him.
当时我正处于跑步生涯的低谷，他二话不说就收下了我，因为那段时间真的很难过渡，很多事情都没能圆满收场。
I, and he took me on like when I was in a really low place of my running just because it's a really tough transition and things didn't end super smoothly.
过去这几年，他真的在心理上和跑步技术上都帮了我很多。
So yeah, he he has really helped me develop like both mentally and as a runner these past couple of years.
我觉得现在我的训练和比赛表现越来越好，可能就跟这个有关。
And, I think it's that's part of the reason I think it's coming through in my in my training now and my races now.
所以
So
那你和吉姆训练，和以前跟詹姆斯训练相比，有什么不同呢？
And and how is your training differed working, with Jim versus when you were with, with James?
首先，训练方案更个性化了。
I will number one is a lot more personalized.
他真的会认真听我的反馈。
So he definitely and he, like, really listens to my feedback.
我觉得我们之间的沟通更顺畅，配合得也特别好。
I think it's just like the athlete communication is a lot more consistent, and we just gel really well together.
训练量也更大了。
And mileage is higher.
我觉得自己整体上变得更强大了。
So I think I've just developed to becoming like a stronger runner overall.
我现在清楚每项训练的目的，也明白为什么要达到那些配速。
My workouts, I understand why I'm doing the workouts and why I need to hit the paces that I'm hitting.
他真的会认真听我所有的反馈。
He definitely listens like he listens to all my feedback.
我们几乎每天都会交流。
We talk almost every day.
所以我觉得训练的个性化程度高多了，而且当我需要有人陪着的时候，他总是在那里。
So just I think just a lot more personalized training and I don't know if he just he's just there for me when I need somebody to be there for me.
他明白这有多难，也懂我正在经历什么。
And he understands how tough it is, and like what I'm going through.
确实是这样。
So, yeah.
这真的非常难得。
That's really incredible.
当你有个教练不仅能给你制定出色的训练计划，还能在训练中那些与跑步无关的方面支持你时，这太棒了。
I think it's awesome when you can have a coach who's able to give you a great training plan, but then also be there to do all the other things that go into training that have nothing to do with running.
没错。
Yeah.
我的意思是，你真的需要一个强大的支持系统。
I mean, I think, you know, I think you really need a strong support system.
如果你真想成功，像我当初那样，状态很差，特别挣扎，根本得不到你需要的支持。
I think if you want to succeed, you know, like, I definitely was not performing and I was really struggling and I don't think I was getting the support that I needed.
我当时就觉得，我需要一个人，能真正和我一起努力，认真听我说话，真心希望我成功。
And I, I felt kind of just that I needed somebody who was going to be able to like work with me and really listen and like want to see me succeed.
对我来说，就是帮我成为最好的自己。
For for me, it's like, help me become my best version of myself.
不是为了他们自己，而是因为他们关心我这个人，关心我这个个体，希望我能成长为最好的跑者。
Not not to, you know, not for them, but because they care about me as a person and care about me as as an individual and developing to become the best runner that I can be.
说到跑步方面的支持，你和教练之间显然有很好的默契。
And in terms of those supports for your running, obviously, you have a good connection with your coach.
对。
Mhmm.
其实我们认识，是因为Oiselle跑步社群里的某些联系。
I was I I think we actually got in contact because of some connections through Oiselle running.
你现在还和他们一起跑吗？
Are are you still running with them?
或者我知道你后来没继续了，但你之前好像受过U Can的赞助。
Or I know if you aren't still that you were sponsored by U Can at one point.
你在跑步圈里还有哪些其他联系？
What what other connections do you have in the running world?
是的。
Yeah.
其实Oiselle那件事是通过选拔赛才有的。
So I actually so the Oiselle thing was just through the trials.
那是一个叫‘Underbirds’的项目。
So it was a program as like the underbirds.
当时选拔赛有我们五个人一起参加。
So there was a group of five of us for the trials.
能认识队里其他女生，真的是一段很棒的经历。
And it was actually it was a really great experience to meet the other women who are on the team.
而且能加入一个由女性主导的品牌，真的特别有意思。
And it was a really fun, fun to be a part of like a women led brand.
所以那一切都是通过选拔赛来的。
So that was just through the trials.
我现在已经没有赞助了。
So I'm no longer sponsored.
我也不再吃U Can的能量胶了。
And I don't take the You Can gels anymore.
我知道他们赞助了很多运动员，很多人用起来效果不错。
I know they sponsor a lot of athletes and a lot of people have success with them.
但我自己吃的时候特别不舒服。
But I really struggled when I took them.
可能是因为我当时正在学习营养知识，还不太清楚自己到底需要补充多少能量。
And it could just be because I was learning a lot about nutrition and how much how much fueling I need to take.
所以我现在改吃其他牌子的能量胶了。
So I actually take these other gels.
它们叫Crank Sports出品的。
They're called they're by a company called crank sports.
叫Egels。
They're egels.
很多人用，具体有多少我也说不准。
A lot of people have I don't I don't know how many people use them.
它们在社交媒体上不太见得到。
They're not like on the feed or whatever.
但有个朋友推荐我试试，因为它们热量更高，电解质也更丰富。
But a friend recommended that I try them because they're higher, they have higher, they have more calories in them and they have more electrolytes in them.
所以过去几年我一直在用它们。
And so I started using those two the past couple years.
现在我又有了赞助商。
So currently I'm sponsored.
我靠自己的全职工作养活自己。
I support myself I have my full time job.
不过说实话，我的目标就是成为顶尖选手之一，看看自己能多快达成这个目标。
But yeah, you know, I just again, my goal is to just become one of the best and see how fast I can get.
这些年我对自己有了很多新的认识，比如为了达到目标我需要什么，成功时我喜欢和谁在一起，失败时谁还会陪在我身边，愿意帮我找出问题所在。
And, you know, I've learned a lot of things about myself and what I need to get there and who I like to be around when I'm successful and when I'm failing, who who still wants to be around me when I'm not running well, you know, and wants to help me figure that stuff out.
过去几年里，我也慢慢领悟了这些道理。
And, you know, I think I learned some of that stuff the past couple years too.
太棒了。
Amazing.
所以，今天你即将参加伦敦马拉松，除了教练之外，还有哪些支持你的人会在训练和比赛日为你加油呢？
So, again, now today, as you head into the London Marathon, besides your coach, where are those other support networks that are gonna be rooting you on through your training and through race day?
是的。
Yeah.
我丈夫非常支持我。
So my husband is super supportive.
我们在一起已经很多年了。
I mean, we've been together for a really long time.
他是在大学认识的，我们俩都经历过一些重大的人生变故和健康问题。
He met in college and, you know, I think we both went through some really big life experiences, some really big health issues.
他绝对是我的第一支持者。
So, he is like my number one supporter.
他会和我一起去伦敦，家人对我来说也特别重要。
He's gonna be and he's coming to London with me and my family is like super important to me.
我家人都在全美各地，但我从小就被教育，家人之间要互相支持。
You know, we're all my family's across the country, yeah, I think we, I was brought up, you know, you support your family.
我父母会来，我婆婆也会来。
So my parents are coming and my mother-in-law coming.
他们能来现场支持我，我真的特别激动。
So, I'm really excited that they're gonna be able to be there for me.
还有一两个亲密的朋友，平时会和我聊聊，帮我保持动力，撑过那些漫长又枯燥的训练日。
And then, you know, just a couple of close friends that I talk to to help keep me motivated and help keep me sane through these long days of training.
不过说到底，就一小群关系特别紧密的人。
But yeah, a pretty, pretty small tight knit group.
但你知道，这现在对我来说最合适了。
But you know, that's what's working for me right now.
所以。
So
对。
yeah.
在你这个亲密的家庭圈子里，我看到过一篇报道，说你养了一只叫库珀的狗。
Within that tight knit group in your family, I I did come across an article that mentioned you have a pet dog named Cooper.
你有时间带他一起跑步，或者带他去看比赛吗？
Do you ever get the chance to run with him or take him to races?
库珀。
Cooper.
哦，我特别喜欢库珀。
Oh, I love Cooper.
我其实是在做脑部手术康复期间收养了库珀。
So I actually got Cooper when I was having when I was recovering from my brain surgery.
他一路陪着我经历了这一切。
So he's been through it all with me too.
不。
No.
他可不是跑步的料。
He he's not a runner.
他擅长短跑。
He's a sprinter.
他喜欢追松鼠冲刺。
He likes to sprint after squirrels.
所以嘛，是这样。
So he yeah.
他没法跟着我去参加比赛。
He doesn't get to travel to races.
不过呢。
But yeah.
他绝对是个人形抱抱机，尤其是做完那些高强度训练之后。
He's definitely a good cuddler, you know, after those long hard workouts.
他特别喜欢训练完后窝在一起蹭蹭。
He loves those those snuggles after.
所以他总在那儿等着你。
So he's always there.
是的。
Yeah.
哦，这太棒了。
Oh, that's amazing.
对。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
那去伦敦的话，出行计划是怎么安排的？
So for London, what's the game plan travel wise?
你一般提前几天飞过去参加比赛？
How many days out from the race do you like to fly in?
是的。
Yeah.
这是我第一次去欧洲。
So this was my first trip, to Europe.
我们打算周三晚上出发，周四早上到。
So we're actually gonna fly Wednesday night to Thursday morning.
我住在哥伦布，但辛辛那提离这儿只有两小时车程，而且有直飞航班。
So I live in Columbus, but Cincinnati is like two hours away and they have direct flights.
所以我们选了周三晚上的直飞航班。
So we're flying direct, like Wednesday night.
我记得我们的航班大概是晚上十点起飞。
I think our flight, we leave at like 10PM.
然后到那儿的时间就不太确定了。
And then we get in sometime.
我不太清楚时差具体怎么算，反正我也说不准。
I don't know all the time, the time change, but I don't know.
我就是希望晚上能好好睡一觉，这样到的时候时间不会太晚，大概周四下午就能到伦敦了。
It's like, I don't know, I'm hoping to sleep through the night, you know, and then we get in earlier and then early morning, not super early, but early afternoon maybe in London on Thursday.
这样我就能有周四、周五和周六三天来调整时差。
So I'll have, like, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday to adjust.
没错。
For sure.
确实。
Yeah.
我个人觉得，最好的办法就是晚上出发。
I I think personally, that's always what I find works well is just, you know, go in the evening.
要是能早点睡上一会儿，等早上到那儿的时候，基本就相当于睡过一觉了。
And if you can sleep a little early, then you've pretty much had a sleep by the time you get there in the morning.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得这样安排会很顺利。
So I think it's gonna work out well.
我挺乐观的，而且之前因为工作原因也没法早过去。
You know, I'm hopeful and I don't couldn't go there too much sooner with work and stuff.
我觉得提前几天过去，足够适应环境、安顿下来，迎接比赛日了。
And I think a couple of days is enough to to get adjusted and settle in before it's race day.
你到了之后会去逛逛景点吗，还是全程只专注比赛？
And will you do any sightseeing when you get in, or is it purely race mode until that's done?
对。
Yeah.
一直都是专注比赛的状态。
I think it's been purely race mode.
我们打算多留几天，大概一周左右。
We're gonna stay a couple days, like a week after.
所以比赛完之后，有的是时间做这些事。
So plenty of time to do that stuff after the race.
但在比赛前，我会专心致志，尽量放松，待在让自己开心的状态里，陪陪我老公之类的。
But before the race, I think I'm gonna be pretty focused and just kinda wanna stay chill and, in my in my happy place and, you know, with my husband and stuff.
真好。
Nice.
你去伦敦参赛，有什么具体目标可以分享吗？
And do you have any specific goals that you're willing to share going into London?
有的。
Yeah.
我觉得我完全能把成绩提高好几分钟。
I mean, I definitely think I can cut a couple minutes off my time.
所以我的主要目标就是看看自己能跑多快。
So I think that's that's like my biggest goal is just to, you know, see how fast I can go.
当然，保证摄入足够的营养也是必须做到的事。
There's always the goals of just making sure like I take all the nutrition that I need to take.
只要我按要求补足营养，像平时训练那样全力跑，我觉得这一天会很顺利。
And I think if I take all the nutrition I need to take and just run, you know, completely run like I'm running my workouts.
我觉得这会是不错的一天。
I think it can be a good day.
时间目标总是有点难说，毕竟天气没法预测，但我确信自己能比以前跑得更快。
Time goals are always kind of tough because you never know what the weather's gonna be like, but, I definitely think I can run faster than I have previously.
休斯顿那场算是赛季的良好开端，期间也遇到了不少意外，比如起跑时摔倒之类的。
And, you know, I think Houston was a good start to the season and I've been thrown some of the curveballs, you know, falling at the start of the race and stuff.
所以我心里有准备，知道这场比赛肯定不容易。
So I'm hoping for, you know, just I know it's going to be tough.
马拉松的难度不能轻视，但我还是希望跑出好成绩，看看自己到底能有多快。
You can't underestimate how tough a marathon is going to be, but just hoping to to run fast and, see how fast I could go.
是的。
Yeah.
希望你能跑出超快的成绩，天气也能完美配合，十度到十二度那种理想状态。
And hoping that you can run super fast and that we have those perfect ten, twelve Yeah.
我在想的是摄氏度。
Well, I'm I'm thinking Celsius.
我应该澄清一下，我其实指的是华氏40到45度。
I should probably clarify here that I'm thinking more so 40 to 45 Fahrenheit.
但确实如此。
But Yeah.
但我不希望气温降到10度，那也太冷了。
But I don't want 10 degrees man when you're freezing.
我知道。
I I know.
我可能把听众都搞糊涂了，一会儿谈公里配速，一会儿又扯到气温。
I'm probably mixing up all our listeners here talking about like mile repeats and paces and then getting into Celsius weather.
有一件挺有意思的事，多伦多那次，艾米莉·达金也跑了。
I one funny one, one funny thing about Toronto, Emily Durgin ran it too.
我记得赛前我们还在聊，怎么盯着公里桩看。
And I remember before the race, was talking about like the the how we're into like the mile markers.
我们当时就觉得，那些标记不会是英里，而是公里，因为本来就不一样。
And we're like, they're not gonna be mile markers, they're gonna be in kilometers, because it's just different.
对吧？
Right?
毕竟我们习惯了看到的都是英里标记。
Like, because we're used to seeing everything in mile markers.
所以有一件事我得慢慢适应，就是全程用的是公里。
And and then so that's one thing I said, wrap my head around is it's gonna be in kilometers.
不会用英里。
It's not gonna be in mines.
你觉得用公里标记会让人感觉跑得更快、更容易推进，还是会因为标记多了反而觉得更慢？
So Do you think that helps it go by faster to to make more progress, or is it slower if you have to go through more milestones?
我也不确定。
I will I don't know.
我还是习惯把手表设成英里单位。
I still leave my watch on miles.
所以我还是能看到英里数。
So I'm still gonna see the miles.
但当你跑过三十公里的时候，真会觉得挺惊人的。
But, yeah, when you're, like, crossing, like, 30 kilometers, you're like, wow.
那可是挺长一段路，而且公里数确实来得更快。
That's like a lot, you know, and they do come up, they do come up quicker.
所以我也不确定。
So I don't know.
不管怎样，马拉松在户外跑的时间实在太长了。
Anyways, the marathon's a long, a long time to be out there.
所以我想，最后还是得换个思路，专注于下一个公里数就好。
So I guess at the end, it's easier to like, take it your mind's wraparound, like just get to the next kilometer.
毕竟，到下一个标记的距离没那么远。
You know, it's not as far to get to get to that mark.
是的。
Yeah.
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