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所以卡洛斯平时还是会打这个球。

So Carlos still normally takes that.

但突然间，如果他决定留在中间——这原本是基于之前结果的安排——米克尔森就会往左移动两英尺。

But all of a sudden, if he's gonna stick at middle and that was the original intent, which I would guess that was based on the result, Mickelson shifts two feet to the left.

就在最后一刻，他试图把球打到米克尔森够不着的地方，再稍微回打给泰勒。

All of a sudden, at the last minute, he's trying to put it out of reach for Mickelson and and and kinda play it back towards Taylor again.

这里面的变数太多了。

Lot of moving parts.

这可不是因为他不会打飘浮的截击球。

It's not just because he doesn't know how to hit a floating volley.

在这个水平上，球员必须时刻预判两步之后的落点，不断调整位置。

Constant movement in this kind of at this level, you kind of have to play two shots ahead at all times.

现在他们都已经在这片场地打过球了，尤其是双打选手，明天的战术会有多大变化？

How much is strategy gonna change going into day two now that they've all played on this quarter, at least most of them have, especially in doubles?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得他们对球场的状况不会感到意外，毕竟这三天里他们有充足的热身时间。

I don't think it was I don't think they would have been surprised by the way the court was playing, just based on the fact that they had plenty of court time over three days.

这可不是美网那种比赛，一来就有两百五十六人争场地，每个人都抢着用球场。

This isn't a tournament where like the US Open, where you show up and there's, you know, two fifty six people in both draws and everyone's fighting for for court time.

这里场地完全不紧张。

It's wide open.

只有一场主场比赛。

There's one show.

这是拉沃尔杯。

This is Laver Cup.

所以我不觉得战术会有太大变化。

So I don't know that the strategy changes.

我挺想听听帕特·拉弗特的看法，因为今天的情况是，世界队先出场，然后欧洲队的扬尼克·诺阿他们就能根据对方的安排，自由选择自己的球员来应对——比如对方派了德梅恩、苏伦德洛和弗里茨，那我们就挑人去对位。

I'm interested to talk to to Pat Rafter when he comes because I think the way that it worked today was Team World had to post first, And then Janik Noah's team, Team Europe, got to basically say, okay, we have they posted Demon, Surundelope, and Fritz, so we can choose anyone from our team to match up with us.

所以今天欧洲队在对阵安排上占了优势，结果就是兹维列夫、德梅恩、鲁纳、苏伦德洛和弗里茨这一组对位出现了。

So it's it's an advantage for Team Europe today in the matchups, which resulted in Zverev, Demon, Runa, Surindolo and Fritz.

你知道，他们把他和卡利托斯算在一起了。

You know, they counted him with Carlitos.

没错。

Right.

而且别忘了，每轮比赛的积分都会增加。

And, you know, remember the points increase with each round.

所以压力变大了，关于赛程我们待会儿再聊，但这也跟比赛时间有关。

So, the stakes went up and the interesting, don't if we can talk about the schedule later, but some of this too is time of day.

这就像在大满贯赛事里，你第一场被安排在凌晨一点开打，但这些比赛也会照常进行。

This is like playing in a major where you get a first court call at 01:00, but these matches will go as well.

所以我在想，比赛时间会不会也影响我们呢？

So, I wonder if time of day doesn't impact us as well.

是的，有一点影响。

Yeah, a little bit.

我的意思是，你肯定会仔细考虑，好吧。

Mean, they would have I think you would have been strictly looking at okay.

所以，关于队长的事，我们等拉弗特来了再问。

So, like, for the captain, we'll ask Rafter when he comes.

但如果你派德蒙上场，那你就得想清楚了——我不会选斯韦雷夫对弗里茨，因为这两人交手记录，我记得泰勒已经连赢四场了。

But, if you post Demon, you're going, okay, I'm not gonna take Sverrev against Fritz because the head to head in that matchup has been, I think, four in a row for Taylor or something like that.

所以咱们还是避开这个组合吧。

So let's let's avoid that.

这应该是个很明显的选择。

So that had to be a pretty obvious decision.

布鲁诺必须上场。

Bruno had to get in the game.

看起来赢塞韦里略是稳的。

Seemed like a a win against Servedillo.

你知道，世界队总会派他们最强的选手上场。

You know, Team World puts forth their best player.

所以说，咱们这边有个叫卡洛斯的。

You know, it's like, okay, well we have a guy named Carlos.

我们大概能应对这种情况。

We could probably counter that.

说实话，我很想看看接下来会怎样。

You know, so I'm interested to see.

他可能会说这是他们想安排的对阵，但我不确定这些 matchups 真的就是世界队想要的。

He'll probably tell me it's the matchups they want, but I don't know that these are the matches that Team World wanted.

我们都很喜欢这一点：能听到队长和球员们私下里对队友说的话，声音特别近。

Another feature of this that we all like so much is we hear sometimes very intimately what the captains and what the other players are telling their teammates.

昨天有什么让你印象特别深的吗？

Did anything strike you yesterday?

你有没有注意到，安德烈给亚历克斯·米克尔森提了一些很直接的建议。

Don't if you caught, Andre had some very pointed, I think, instruction for for Alex Mikkelsen.

昨天你对两位队长的印象怎么样？

What what struck you about the captains yesterday?

我知道他一直在试着让亚历克斯·米克尔森在回球时把后摆动作收短一点。

Well, I know he was trying to get Alex Mikkelsen to shorten up the back swing on on some returns earlier in the week.

你知道，他希望他能继续往前压。

You know, he wanted him to, I guess, keep getting forward.

我昨天看安德烈的时候，最让我惊讶的是他跳得特别低。

What struck me the most, just watching Andre yesterday, was how little vertical leap he has.

他简直像要贴地飞行一样。

It was like He I think he die.

身高六英尺十一英寸。

Six eleven.

咱们得公平点说。

Well, let's just be fair.

安德烈其实非常清楚自己的情况。

Like, Andre is very self aware.

要是我有安德烈·阿加西那样的自知之明，我肯定不会去跟个两米七多的人比弹跳。

If I have the self awareness of Andre Agassi, I don't know that I'm testing my vertical leap against someone who's eighteen feet tall.

对吧？

Right?

所以我觉得，过去几天里，安德烈最大的失误就在这里。

So that was probably the biggest mistake that I saw from Andre last couple days.

安德烈心里清楚。

Andre knows

他一看到爆款时刻就马上能认出来。

a viral moment when he sees it.

我有点好奇。

I'm a little curious.

我和安迪都见过这个训练项目，但拉沃尔杯吸引人的地方，在于它是个大众能看懂、第一次看也能欣赏的主流赛事。

I mean, Andy and I have seen this drill before, but part of the appeal of Laver Cup is a mainstream product that people can understand and they can appreciate as a first timer.

昨天最让你印象深刻的是什么？

What jumped out of you yesterday?

我觉得最棒的是，能把所有明星选手集中在一起，连续出场，赛程安排得也特别好，既能看到顶级网球，又能同时发现新秀，还能听到他们和教练、队友之间的互动。

I think that being able to see headliners all in one place right in a row and a schedule that's really great and seeing top tennis, but also being introduced to younger talent in the same pool and then hearing how they interact, with their coaches and their co captains.

我觉得卡博利在比赛中坐在场边时就说过，他打比赛时面对罗杰，感觉压力特别大。

I think Caboli had a moment on the bench in his match where he talked about, he was feeling the pressure by playing in front of Roger.

听到球员真实的一面挺难得的，平时在屏幕上看到他们，根本想不到他们心里在想什么。

And like just to hear the humanity of a player, when you see him on screen, you don't think so much about you know, what they're feeling.

说实话，我也能感受到同样的压力。

I mean, I I feel the same pressure.

是的。

Yeah.

我跟你讲讲我的亲身经历吧。

And I I'll I'll tell you, like, my experience with it.

不是在大牌面前打球，而是我记得第一次跟安德烈打比赛时，我还在上高中。

And not even playing in front of someone, playing like, I remember the first time that I played Andre, I was still in high school.

对吧？

Right?

我们当时在迈阿密比赛。

We played we played Miami.

我赢下了第一轮。

I win my first round.

那是个星期天晚上。

It's a Sunday night.

我们在迈阿密安排了一场夜间比赛。

We get booked night session in Miami.

我得提醒自己别盯着对面看——我看到他那标志性的内八走路姿势，那正是我以前在车库里模仿了无数遍的动作。

And I had to kinda check myself from I'm looking across the court and I'm seeing like that pigeon toed walk, the thing that I had like copied a million times in my garage.

或者第一次和皮特同场竞技时，你注意到他发球前会做那个小假动作，冲你眨眨眼。

Or you look at over at Pete for the first time and you're playing with him and he's kinda doing that little pump fake before he serves and giving you this one.

这些细小的举动，其实都很重要。

You know, all of those little things matters.

那种感觉，简直像掐自己一下确认是不是在做梦。

And and it's kinda like a pinch yourself type moment.

在帕特·拉弗特上场前，咱们先打发一会儿时间。

We're we're gonna kill a little time here before Pat Rafter.

如果有问题，举手提问，尤其是前排的朋友，我们好听见你们的声音。

If you think of a question, raise your hand, especially in this front row so we can we can hear from you.

不过，今天剩下的时间，你最想看什么比赛？

But, what are you interested in seeing, for the rest of the day?

而且，1比3看起来真是个很大的差距。

And also three one sounds like a huge deficit.

今天每一分的分值都翻倍了。

The points double today.

对吧？

Right?

这只不过是一场比赛而已。

That's that's one match.

对吧？

Right?

德门要是赢下这一场，咱们就追平了。

Demon goes out and takes care of business, we're even.

这就是拉沃尔杯的魅力所在。

It's the beauty of Laver Cup.

你总能大致掌握一下

You can always kind of get the

对的

Yeah.

今天是第十三天的开始。

It's first of thirteenth.

看看比分牌。

Get the scoreboard.

是的

Yeah.

所以我们还有很多时间。

So we still have plenty of time.

如果你是世界队，只需要说：听着，我们赢下两场就够了。

If you're Team World, it's an easy sale to just say, oh, listen, we win two matches.

我们又领先了。

We're we're ahead, again.

所以我觉得，这正是JW赛制的魅力之一。

So I think that's part of the beauty, of the format JW.

对。

Yeah.

说真的，让我印象最深的其实是另一件事，你知道是什么吗？

I mean, I mean, to to me, the other thing that really struck me was you know what it was?

就是场边的沙发。

The decor.

球员们参加比赛时，那边有片场地，他们的队友就在对面，或者就在旁边。

It's that couch that play players go to tournaments and obviously there's a field there and they're, you know, their their colleagues are on hand or on the other side of the net.

但你想啊，平时上班时，同事围在你身后看你工作，那种被盯着的感觉，现在你面对的不只是同事，还有十英尺外的对手，更别说安德烈·阿加西和扬尼克·诺阿还是你的队长，你看看这阵势。

But it's like when you go to work and your colleagues gather around you and look over your shoulder, the fact that you are trying to impress your peers and your coworkers and they're 10 feet away from you, not to mention Andre Agassi and Janik Noe are your captains, but the the I mean, look at this.

最特别的是，你最直接的对手就在那儿为你加油——想象一下，如果丰塞卡打美网，卡洛斯·阿尔卡拉斯、泰勒·弗里茨、卡斯珀·鲁德全坐在第一排，一边给他加油，一边又盼着他输球。

The the proximity of your closest rivals cheering you on, give I mean, imagine if Fonseca played the US Open and Carlos Alcaraz, you know, Taylor Fritz, Casper Roddick go down the line, we're right there in the first row of the court cheering him on and in some cases perhaps hoping he would lose.

我觉得这个沙发的设计者该拿奖金，这绝对是整个赛制最妙的点之一。

I think that couch is whoever came up with that deserves a bonus because I think that's really one of the secrets.

你知道昨晚还有谁因为支持团队也该拿奖金吗？

You know who else deserves a bonus for his support of his team last night?

是谁啊？

Who's that?

亚历克斯昨晚一整晚都戴着墨镜。

Was Alex wearing sunglasses at night the entire night.

在室内。

Inside.

那是因为需要。

Was that was need

他们得在这儿。

them here.

这可不是为了赶时髦。

This is not a fashion statement.

感觉像是在拼命争取大家的支持。

Felt like a desperate play for an all of our people's deal.

哦，你意思是，我还以为你要说‘更好’呢。

Oh, you meant I thought you were gonna say gooder.

我更像是个‘更好’型的人。

I'm more of a gooder guy.

做播客的时候，差不多就是这么用的。

That's kinda what when you do podcasts, that's about what you use.

但他对戴墨镜这件事可是全情投入。

But he's very full I mean, fully committed to the sunglasses.

你觉得怎么样？

How do we feel about that?

这样行吗？

Was that okay?

这算不算没到位？

Was that a miss?

我们有没有认可他的这份投入？

Was did we respect the commitment?

你是Side Guy二的超级粉丝吧？那副大墨镜真的很抢眼。

Big fan, your your big sunglasses in Side Guy two?

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

当然了。

Definitely.

没关系。

That's okay.

我觉得挺酷的。

I I think It it was it was cool.

我在社交媒体上看到一段视频，拍的是两张长椅上的人同时盯着同一个方向。

I saw it caught up on on social media that showed the two benches watching the same point.

发生那一刻，你就能看到他们两个人都在看。

And when it happened, you know, you saw them both.

好的。

Alright.

搞定。

There we go.

双倍。

Double.

尽管这很重要，但我们还是为两届美网冠军、前世界第一帕特·拉夫特鼓掌吧。

As important as that is, let's put our hands together for two time US Open champion, former world number one, Pat Rafter.

首先，欢迎你。

So one of the things that first of all, welcome.

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢，老兄。

Thank you, mate.

见到你真好。

Great to see you.

能来这儿真的很不错。

Good to be here, actually.

我这段时间过得特别开心。

I've had you had a lot of fun.

我觉得挺奇怪的，你本人比镜头里还帅。

I thought I think it's weird whenever you show up and you're better looking in person even.

天啊，简直让人一下子放松下来。

Gosh, it's like, it's disarming.

安德鲁，别这样。

Andrew, please.

有一件事我记得特别清楚，是在美网期间，我们都在忙着应付各种商务活动。

One of my favorite things that happened at the US Open in a level set, like we're all kind of walking around doing corporate stuff.

所以我们俩总是在附近转悠，碰面的机会很多。

So we're kind of just in the orbit of each other.

帕特跟我讲，他跟我说：‘老兄，我把日期搞错了。’

And Pat shared with me that he goes, oh, mate, I got the dates wrong.

我还以为拉沃尔杯是下周呢。

I thought Laver Cup was next week.

所以你得找点事打发时间。

So you had to go kill some time.

纳帕那边怎么样？

How was Napa?

在加州打发时间可太容易了。

Pretty easy to kill time here in California.

我本来以为我是来这儿的，等等，让我从头说一遍。

I was under the impression that I was coming here and Andre Let me go back a step.

安德烈说，来跟我一起参加拉沃尔杯吧，咱们玩得开心点。

Andre said, Come and do the Laver Cup with me, we'll have some fun.

我就问，具体都干些什么啊？

I said, Well, what does that entail exactly?

他说，大概就是每天晚上喝点酒，互相安慰安慰吧。

He said, Well, probably drinking and consoling our ourselves every evening Yeah.

就是刚才发生的事。

About what just happened.

对。

Yeah.

我就跟他说，行，我跟你干。

And I said, mate, I'm in.

我听你安排。

I'm your man.

小菜一碟。

Easy.

我在这儿可以给你当帮手。

I can be your wingman here.

所以我决定去纳帕谷先练练手。

So I decided to get some practice in at Napa Valley.

训练。

Train.

我过去之后就直接投入了当地那些顶级赤霞珠的品鉴，简直太棒了。

And went up there and just got stuck into some of the big cabsavs here and it was unreal.

我玩得特别开心。

I had a great time.

那地方真的超赞。

It's such an awesome spot.

是啊，确实不错。

Yeah, it's good.

去第一家咖啡馆之前，可千万别毫无准备。

You never wanna be unprepared when you're coming to your first place for coffee.

跟我们说说第一天吧，今天早上我打的那片球场。

Talk to us about day one, the court I hit on this morning.

感觉球场偏慢、球路偏低，对吧？

It feels like it's playing kind of low and slow, right?

团队世界明天的策略是什么？

What do you all What's kind of the ethos going into day two for Team World?

好的。

Okay.

所以我们决定把最强的阵容安排在周日出场，主要是根据对手的搭配来考虑的。

So we decided to put our best team that were we think on forward on Sunday effectively in terms of the matchups.

好的。

Okay.

我相信你们都了解拉沃尔杯的积分规则，到了第三天，每赢一场就能拿三分，这时候才真正有机会赢得比赛。

So I'm sure you guys are all familiar with how the point structures work in that Laver Cup, but on the third day you get three points for each win and that's when you can start winning the event.

队员们都很有信心，觉得这是他们拿下胜利的最佳时机。

The guys are backing themselves and they think that that was their best opportunity to get the win here.

目前的比分显然对我们不太有利。

So the numbers at this stage don't look obviously in our favor.

而且我们还要面对一支实力非常强的欧洲队。

And we're also coming up against a very strong European team.

所以今天的关键就是，我们怎么才能拿下两场胜利？

So coming into today is, you know, how do we grab two wins out of this?

我说的是阿尔卡拉斯，这小伙子真的太厉害了。

And you're talking about the, I mean, Alcaraz, I'm sorry, but this guy's amazing.

简直让我佩服得不行。

Is so incredible to me.

你看过他打比赛吗？没怎么近距离看过。

Have you seen him play much up No, close in

一点都没看过。

not at all.

他击球的威力特别大。

He can hit the ball,

真的吗？

can he?

当然了。

Oh yeah.

他能打出超强的力量。

He can generate power.

说到球场的速度，其实挺慢的，你知道吧。

So when we talk about the pace of the court, it's quite slow, okay.

这意味着球打到地上后几乎就停住了，你根本没法借上力。

So what that means is when the ball hits it effectively stops you from getting any pace onto your racket.

但这人能自己制造出速度，世界上没几个人做得到。

So this guy can create that pace and not many people in the world can.

他的拍头速度、力量和身体姿势都太棒了。

His racket head speed, his strength, his body position is amazing.

我觉得丰塞卡也能做到。

I think Fonseca can also do it.

我们昨晚看他比赛，简直不可思议，真想看看未来几年这孩子能走到哪一步。

We saw him go to life last night and it was unreal to watch and just see where this potential next couple of years where this kid could be.

那真的让人兴奋。

And that was exciting.

我们还看了奥帕尔卡的比赛。

And we saw Opalca.

我的天，要是他那些正手都能精准命中，那简直太猛了。

I mean, my God, if he had a radar on some of those forehands, he'd rip lah.

但那就是他的打法，你知道的。

But that was his game, you know.

我们让他冲进去，拼尽全力，打得强硬些。

We had him to go in there and go hard and go strong.

从很多方面来说，这个场地对我们并不有利。

The court doesn't necessarily favor us in many ways.

你当然希望场地快一点。

You know, you want it fast.

不过有意思的是，你必须把球打到Exactly的点上。

What he it's it's interesting, though, but you have to hit your spots perfectly.

昨晚昨天发球的时候，佩尔卡那个发球，稳得很，完全不用操心。

So last night on your yesterday on the server, Pelka, big serve, no worries.

他只是稍微偏了一点点。

He misses his spot by this far.

一般来说，他都能赢下这一分。

Generally, he wins the point.

我说他发球偏离目标这么一点，对方反应太快，根本回不回来。

And when I say that he serves and he misses his target by this far, the guy's too fast for him to return.

这个场地不一样，球会直接弹到你的击球区域。

This court, no, it comes right into your hitting zone.

你每次发球都必须精准压线，不能超出这个范围。

You have to hit the lines, you have to hit within this margin every time when you serve.

所以他昨天对鲁内打的时候，呃，抱歉，是卡斯珀·罗迪克。

So when he played Rune yesterday, he Sorry, Casper Roddick.

卡斯珀·罗迪克，我记得他连续发了25个球都没出界。

Casper Roddick, I think served 25 serves in a row without missing.

是的，他整场比赛发球成功率有80%。

Yeah, he served 80% for the match.

没错。

Yeah.

他有一段时间，发球从未失误过。

He went through a stage where he didn't miss a first serve.

他连续五局都出现了发球双误，

He missed a first serve for like five games,

是的。

yeah.

整整五局。

Like five games.

不过他发球的落点都很准。

And half but he hit his spots.

结果莱利·阿帕尔卡根本回不了球。

And so then Riley Apalka couldn't get the return back.

我侧身对蒂姆·亨曼，还有那边的副队长说：蒂姆，我能不能过去问问卡斯珀，他的发球技术怎么样？

I leaned across to Tim Henman and and the opposition who's who's the vice captain over there, I said, Tim, is it okay if I go to Casper, your part your player?

我可以问他，发球动作现在感觉如何吗？

Can I start asking ask him how his technique is looking on his serve?

我直接钻进他脑子里了，这发球也太离谱了。

And I get into this guy's head because this is ridiculous serving.

对啊。

And he said, yep.

去吧，老兄。

Go for it, mate.

我心想，哦，可我实在

And I went, oh, and I couldn't

做不到。

do it.

你根本做不到。

You couldn't do it.

根本没可能。

There's no way.

但还有另一点，这可不是简单的球场速度问题。通常到了球场上，你总能稍微调整一下，往这边或那边压一压。

But but the other thing is it's not even just a pace through the court where normally, like a court you you get to a court, and you can normally cheat it one way or the other.

对吧？

Right?

如果像温布尔登那样速度快、穿越球场，你就能靠速度压倒对手。

If it's fast and through the court like a like a Wimbledon, you can beat someone for pace.

你也能用切削球来击败对手。

You can beat someone for chip with with a chip.

你看到那个家伙是怎么一路冲进温网决赛的吗？

You saw this guy get to a million Wimbledon finals rushing people.

对吧？

Right?

但同时，这也消除了上旋球的威胁。

But also, it takes away the element of, like, a a kick.

昨天奥佩尔卡的上旋发球，简直就像直接送进罗迪克的口袋里。

Opelka's kick serve was basically falling into Roddick's pocket yesterday.

所以，当你无法依赖发球直接穿透对手防线时，赢得一发得分点就变得更加关键。

So it puts more of a premium on winning first serve points when you don't have the advantage of it actually of it actually getting through it.

是的，问题来了，这个我留给卡佩拉塔来回答：这意味着你是不是更多地使用切削发球，而不是平击？

Yeah, the question is, and I'll leave it for Caperatta, does that mean you use slice serves more than a So, pick

没错，但现在的状况是，球一打起来就迅速膨胀，飞行速度也变得特别慢。

yes, but what's happening also is this ball is puffing up very quickly and becoming super slow through the air.

所以用切削发球的话，你注意看新球出来后，球员们都会往边线发切削球，因为这样更有效——球一落地就贴着地面滑行。

So the slice serve, you'll see when the new balls come out, they'll start serving wide, they'll use a slice serve because it's more effective, it's hitting the court and skidding through.

等球变蓬松了，这种效果就大打折扣了。

When it gets puffy, it's not working so much.

所以现在他们想的办法是，给球加一点上旋，让球的轨迹更可控，同时保持相同的抛球动作，假装要往另一侧发球。

So what they're trying to do now is shape the ball with a bit of kick so it keeps them honest one way and then they're trying to use the same ball toss and fake a serve down the other direction.

他们通过调整抛球来变化落点，让接发球的人捉摸不透。

So they're trying to mix up the placements through ball toss keeping the returner uncertain.

如果这是戴维斯杯的比赛，对吧，那就会是

So if this were Davis Cup, right, you would have

主队选场地。

picked the surface, home team.

是的，这个场地和以前一样，我觉得已经用了八年了。

Yeah, this the same surface that comes from, I think it's been the same one for eight years.

之前四个月，我和安德烈就一直在琢磨，这场地到底在起什么作用？

So Andre and I were looking at this beforehand, like four months ago and we're going, what is this surface actually doing?

我说，都用了八年了，按理说应该变快了才对。

I said, well it's been around for eight years now so it should be speeding up.

他们每次比赛后都会重新刷漆。

They're repainting it every time.

可我们一来，发现地面还是那么粗糙。

So we come here and it's still gritty.

上面的沙子太多了。

They've got so much sand.

简直像砂纸一样。

It's like sandpaper.

我们刚开始打的时候就发现，靠近底线的地方特别滑，这点挺有意思的。

And you'll see, was really interesting in the first couple of hits we had on it, we said this is really slippery near the baseline.

这到底是怎么回事？

What's going on?

那是球员把表层的沙子磨掉了，真的有沙子从球场上掉下来，我们每半小时就得用吹风机把那些发亮的沙子吹走。

That is the guys wearing off that top sand bit and it was literally sand coming off the court and we'd have to leaf blow it every half an hour to get the sand off the court that was just shiny.

球场速度快的地方，正是球员脚步落地的位置。

So where it's fast is where their feet are hitting.

那地方只在底线后面。

That's only behind the baseline.

没人敢上网发球上网。

No one's come to the net and serve volleying.

所以中场根本没什么速度。

So there's nothing fast in the middle.

所以关于你的发球选择，当球场比较慢的时候，尤其是如果你的发球没什么威力，你往往就不太需要纠结发球方式了。

So the the the question about what your serve options are, a lot of times when it's slower, it's you you you're less trying to figure out, especially if you don't have, an absolute cannon for a serve.

这时候发球就变成了一种空间博弈。

It starts becoming a real estate play.

对吧？

Right?

比如，你把对方引开，然后绕到他身后，Casper昨天就多次这样对付Riley。

Like, you're pulling someone off and to either go back behind him, which Casper did a bunch to Riley yesterday.

对吧？

Right?

所以Riley不得不提前判断，因为他得覆盖这边整整二十英尺的范围，而Roddick要么冲那边去，要么就直接把球打到他身后六英尺的地方——那个位置对大个子来说移动起来特别别扭。

So Riley had to commit because he had to cover 20 feet on this side and Roddick would either go there or he would stick it in the six feet behind him where the big fella gets a little awkward with the movement.

显而易见，你要是七英尺高，不可能像Carlos那样灵活移动。

Obviously, if you're seven feet tall, you're not moving like Carlos.

所以这更像是一场空间争夺战，而不是想着靠第一发球直接得分，对吧？那些偷懒的球。

So it starts becoming a real estate play as opposed to something you're trying to get through on the first one, right, the cheapies.

而且，我注意到，这种打法也让上网变得更加困难。

Also, I I was looking at it makes it tougher to approach.

比如我看了Alex，昨天Alex Mikkelsen拼得特别狠，就为了给自己争取机会，因为开局并不理想。

Like, I saw Alex, and Alex Mikkelsen fought his ass off yesterday to give himself a chance because it wasn't a great start.

但即使是上网截击的时候，通常那些挥拍动作舒展的人，现在只要一被盯上，每次都会被对方直接打穿越球。

But even on approach shots, where normally someone who kinda has those long fluid swings, it felt like when people are getting looked they're getting a look at a pass every time.

对吧？

Right?

想匆忙打出一记穿越球，真的很难。

It's tough to rush a passing shot.

再加上现在的拍线和球员的穿越球技术，感觉门奇很早就找到了穿越球的节奏。

And with the string beds and the way that people are able to pass now, it felt like Mencik kind of got a groove on passing shots early.

是的。

Yeah.

首先，亚历克斯在那场失利后特别沮丧。

Well, Alex was devastated after that loss, first of all.

但我特别欣赏他们在场上那种拼劲。

And I just love their passion out there.

亚历克斯·尼科尔森是我见过最出色的年轻人之一，说他是孩子吧，其实都已经是成年人了。

Alex Alex Nicholson's like one of the best I say kids, but adults, young men you're ever gonna meet.

他特别投入，愿意学习，你可以在场边跟他聊天，给他建议，安德烈也和他相处得特别好。

He he's he's engaging, he wants to learn, you can talk to him on the side of the court, you can give him advice, and Andre is having great interactions with him.

他一上来就特别紧绷。

He just came out super tight.

他的发球完全没有力量。

I mean, his serve had no pop on it.

你一听就能听出来不一样。

You could hear the difference.

他的正手球老是擦着网底过去，这估计是他比较弱的一边。

His ball, his forehand was lagging the bottom of the net, which is probably his weaker wing.

你知道吗，三比零换边的时候，他又丢了发球局，后来四比一还双误了。

You know, know, at the change events at three Love, he's lost his serve again or a four one double breakdown.

我走过去对他说：伙计，得拼一把。

I went over to him and said, mate, just gotta fight hard.

试着放松身体，别那么僵，才能打得自在。

Just try and get you get rid of this tension in your body so you can be free.

接下来几局你得拼尽全力，想办法打开局面，然后第二盘再彻底爆发。

So you work hard these next couple of games and try to find a way into the match and then let's explode in the second set.

你能明显看出他紧张得不行。

You can just see the nervous energy in him.

不过我还是来回答一下关于上网的问题。

But I'll just answer the question about coming to the net.

昨晚在场边，大家都说，要是没人上网的话。

So, yeah, everyone on the on the bench last night, they said, look, if no one comes to net.

我们坚决不上网。

We're not coming into the net.

这简直太糟糕了。

This is crap.

谁都过不了网。

Everyone's getting passed.

你看看现在这情况。

Look at this.

我就说，你能不能偶尔用切削球上网一次？

And I said, well, how about you come in on a slice for once?

让球自然落地。

Let the ball die.

你们每个人都在使劲猛打。

Every one of you guys are doing is ripping a ball hard.

拉弗特式击球。

Rafter ball.

他们到底知道些什么？

Do they know what did they know?

他们根本不懂

They don't know what

什么是切削球

a sliced

反手。

backhand is.

他们知道我打算说什么吗？知道什么是切削球吗？

Did they know I was gonna say, did they know what a slice

我怎么可能在三天内教会这些人打出一记漂亮的切削反手？

I cannot teach these guys in three days how to hit a sliced bloody backhand.

是啊。

Right.

他们还老说：哎呀，各位。

They're they're like, come on, guys.

这事儿有办法。

There's a way.

我一边摇头一边想，每次他们往网前冲，我就纳闷：咱们干嘛非得冲上去？

I'm sort of shaking my head and every time they look across, yo, why are we coming to the net?

我就跟他们说：你们不如就待在后场吧。

I said, yo, maybe you should stay back.

说真的。

Talk

跟我们聊聊吧，你显然接下了这份工作。

to us a little bit about, you obviously take this job.

安德烈邀请你加入团队。

Andre asked you to join join the team.

在我看来，这根本不用犹豫。

No brainer in in my opinion.

谈谈你的预期吧——你原本期待什么，又有哪些完全出乎意料的体验？

Talk about expectations and what has kinda been what you expected and what has been something that was completely unexpected from this experience.

好的。

Okay.

让我没想到的是，这些球员的投入程度简直到了极致。

What was totally unexpected for me was just a total and utter engagement of these players Yeah.

他们对这件事的重视程度超乎想象。

And how much this is so important to them.

我真的特别享受这个过程。

Oh, I'm loving it.

一想到这个，我都会激动得手心发麻，因为我自己也一直在努力融入这个赛事。

I get actually pins and needles thinking about it because I was trying to buy into the event sometimes too.

这个赛事在日程里是怎么安排的？

How does this sit in the calendar?

这些球员一年到头打五十二周，满世界奔波，到了拉沃尔杯，这对他们来说到底意味着什么？

How does this sit in with these guys playing fifty two weeks a year, traveling around the world, you know, thinking come the Laver Cup, what does it mean to them?

意义重大。

It means a lot.

他们真的全身心投入了。

They have really invested.

每次走上球场，他们都是为团队而战，而且能真切感受到这份分量。

So every time these guys go on the court, they're playing for their team and they really feel it.

那份激情，实实在在地摆在那儿。

They they the passion's there.

安德烈和我都特别兴奋，说实话，我自己都没想到会这么投入。

Andre and I are super pumped, and I'm actually a little bit surprised at how much I'm into it.

我最近坐在这儿的次数可真不少。

I'm getting the seat quite a bit.

当我是戴维斯杯队长的时候，我觉得自己像僵尸一样坐在那儿整整四年。

In Davis Cup when I was Davis Cup captain, I think I sat there like a zombie for four years.

没错。

It's like, yeah.

没什么大不了的。

No worries.

但我现在特别投入，而且这种氛围也让互动自然发生了。

But I'm so into this, and and it allows it to happen too, the interaction part

就是这一点。

of it.

对我来说，这还真是有点出乎意料。

So to me, that's been a bit of a surprise.

我原本期待的是——也许这不算太意外，但更多是种希望——这些球员真的愿意学习。

And what I was hoping for, which probably it might not necessarily be a surprise, but and it was probably more hope, guess, was the fact that these guys are really willing to learn.

有些人就是没法沟通，我在戴维斯杯带队的时候，跟我手下那些队员就遇到过这种情况。

Some people you can't talk to, you get in the Davis Cup I know with my guys.

我可以点名道姓地说。

Name names.

对。

Yeah.

行，别说了。

Okay, don't.

好的，你那位朋友尼克。

Alright, your buddy Nick.

我们没……哦，抱歉。

We don't oh, sorry.

不过安迪和我，还有安迪……

But Andy and Andy and I are

是一样的。

the same.

没关系。

That's okay.

根本没人看这个节目。

No one no one watches this show.

挺有意思的。

It's fun.

周六早上。

Saturday morning.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以我能理解安迪对尼克的态度。

So I can relate to Andy's stance on Nick a bit.

对。

Yeah.

总之，我很享受团队里的这种默契和氛围。

So anyway, I'm enjoying the camaraderie of the team.

我特别喜欢大家全心投入的样子，不同性格的人为了赢得世界队的荣誉团结在一起，你们在场上展现出的东西都是真实的，兄弟们。

I'm really enjoying the buy in, the different personalities all coming together for a common goal of winning for Team World and what you're getting out there is real, guys.

虽然结果不一定总如我们所愿，但我可以百分百肯定，大家的用心是真诚的，每个人都拼尽全力去争取最好的成绩，我们真的乐在其中。

Now the results might not always go our way or the way we your way or whatever it might be, but I can tell you 100% is genuine and the guys are busting ass out there to get the best result they can and we're loving

这太棒了。

That's great.

再多说说吧，我觉得这一点特别有意思。

Say more about that because I think that's a really interesting component.

你当戴维斯杯队长的时候，你知道每个队员的家乡，比如‘你是阿德莱德的’，那种国家认同感很强烈。

When you were Davis Cup captain, you knew these guys' hometowns and oh, you're from Adelaide and there was this national bond.

但现在不一样了。

This is different.

比如说，有个19岁的巴西小伙子。

I mean, there's a 19 year old from Brazil.

离默特尔山可远了。

Far from Mount Isa.

这路程可不近。

That's a hike.

你们没有国家认同这种天然纽带，是怎么建立默契、营造团队氛围的？

How are you building rapport and building this team environment when you don't have the sort of natural bond of country?

头几年，关键是要真诚现身，展现自己的个性，让别人看到你愿意为团队付出什么，你有多投入，然后希望他们能接受并认同。

Well, first years, you know, just trying to be present and be and show them your personality, what you're willing to do for the team, your investment that you're gonna put back into it, and then you're hoping that they're gonna accept it and then buy in.

但这也得看他们自己的性格，他们愿不愿意为团队做出一点牺牲？毕竟这是一项高度个人化的运动。

But a lot of it has to come down to their personality too, You know, like, are they willing to make a little bit of a sacrifice to come together as a team because it's such an individual sport.

说牺牲可能听起来有点奇怪，但确实如此——网球选手平时太自我了，现在要融入团队，就得调整心态。

Now it might might seem a weird thing for me to say as a sacrifice, but it sort of is sometimes when you become so selfish in your own world as a tennis player, which we are, and now you're coming together as a team.

我知道这些球员里，几乎每个人都对戴维斯杯特别投入。

I know some of these guys have had you know, that nearly all of them actually are are really invested in Davis Cup.

亚历克斯·迪莫诺雷也是。

Alex Dimonore as well.

他啊，要是能在他打戴维斯杯的时候带他，我真会特别开心。

He's, you know, one of the I would have loved to have coached him in Davis Cup.

跟他一起肯定特别有意思。

He would have been just so so much fun.

说到这个话题，我得想想刚才说到哪儿了。

Yeah, getting back to the question, I'm trying to think where I was going with it all.

把来自不同文化背景的人聚在一起组成团队，而不是大家都来自同一个地方、同一个环境。

Basically just bringing a melting pot of culture together on a team as opposed to all kind of being from the same place, same time.

我们刚才提到了丰塞卡，之前你来之前，我们刚放完他的集锦，大家在屏幕前都看得特别投入。

But talk a little bit about, we touched on Fonseca there for a second, but we just did the highlight packages before you came along and people were able to watch on that monitor.

昨晚他打了六个正手，简直让人下巴都掉下来了。

He hit six forehands last night where the jaw drops.

他能打出那种惊人的球速。

Like the amount of pace he's able to create.

你感觉他就像在实时学习打网球，但这种拍子上爆发出来的速度，真教不出来。

And you feel like he's kind of learning how to play tennis in real time, but you can't teach that kind of speed off the racket.

我的意思是，我不是要拿他跟卡洛斯比，那样总是不太公平。

I mean, was I'm not saying like, let's make the comp to Carlos because that's always unfair.

但我是说，在所有人里，辛纳偶尔也能打出那样的球。

But I'm just saying, of the guys on Earth, Sinner will do it every once in a while.

卡洛斯随便从哪儿都能来一记狠球。

Carlos can snap one off from anywhere.

至于丰塞卡，只要给他一点时间，昨晚在这片球场上简直太疯狂了。

Fonseca, with this court when he has time, I mean, was crazy pills last night.

你认识他吗？

Do you know him?

我见过他。

I've met him.

我在纽约见过他一面。

I got to meet him in New York.

我们之前在公开赛开幕前办哈斯宾之夜时，他还来帮忙过。

We played he pitched in on when we were doing Hasbin Night in the Open before the event started.

所以花了一点

So spent a little

时间。

bit of time.

是的，他表现得太棒了。

Yeah, he was fantastic.

而且这可不是吹的。

And actually, it's for real.

这孩子，天啊，要是他是你儿子，你肯定乐得不行。

This kid, oh, man, if he was your son, you'd be so bloody happy.

这大概是能对一个人说的最暖心的话了。

That's like the nicest thing you could say about someone.

没错。

Yes.

真是个了不起的小伙子。

What a ripper.

天啊，说起他我都想哭了。

Man, I wanna have tears talking about him.

他真的特别棒，说实话，我怎么说他好都不为过。作为球员，他未来两年可能还需要一点时间成长，但你知道的。

He is such a nice like, seriously, I cannot say enough great things about him as a player, and I hope he becomes the player that in two years time it's gonna take him a little while, you know.

昨晚我们看到的表现，我觉得他已经走了一半的路了，这正是他最让人兴奋的地方。

What we saw last night, I reckon he's halfway there, and that's what's exciting about him.

但很多事情得顺利才行，得保持健康，不能受伤，他所有的天赋都在指向一个伟大的球员。

But a lot has to go right, you know, like, has to stay fit, has to stay healthy, he has to take all his attributes to me are pointing to one of the greats.

我希望他能很快成为第三个站出来对抗西内和阿尔卡拉斯的选手。

You know, I'm hoping that he becomes that third player that comes up against, you know, Sinner and Alcaraz soon.

一个搅局者。

Disruptor.

一个能赢大满贯的搅局者。

A disruptor, but winning majors as well.

我真的超喜欢他，老兄。

And yeah, I'm such a fan of his, mate.

我问你个问题。

Let me ask you a quick question.

你有没有发现，学校里新生都认识高年级的，可高年级的却根本不认识低年级的？

You know how in school, like the freshmen know all the seniors, but the seniors don't know the little kids?

继续。

On.

再说一遍。

Say it again.

新生是什么？

What's a freshman?

不是，我刚才……不好意思。

No, but I'm Oh, sorry.

年级，我是说年级。

Grade yeah.

低年级的。

Little

是的。

yeah.

新生是刚来的，而学长们已经待了好一阵子了，对吧？

So, freshman's new and the seniors been there for a while, right?

对。

Yeah.

一年级 versus 几年级啊，天哪。

Year one versus year Oh, man.

我本该用澳大利亚那边的说法才对。

I should've been the Aussie equivalent.

你可能不知道，佛罗里达有个青少年。

So, you probably didn't know there a teenager in Florida.

不，没有。

No, no.

他其实是在问你学校是什么。

He was actually asking you what's school?

不，不，不，不。

No, no, no, no.

是的。

Yeah,

你一直在学习，直到你

you learn stuff until you

我没学过。

I did not.

对，没错。

Did Yeah, yeah.

从一家初创公司开始。

Off with a start up.

你说网球？

You say tennis?

我刚才想说什么来着

Where was I going

用这个吗？

with this?

你比你右边这位先生年纪大几岁。

You have a few years on this gentleman to your right.

你年纪大一些。

You're a few years older.

你当新人的时候，可能对他了解不多。

Well, you probably didn't know much about him as a junior.

可他对你的事了如指掌。

He knew everything about you.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗？你差点就和他打过一场。

Did you know that you very nearly played him?

我跟他说过。

I told him.

你可能根本不知道。

You probably didn't know.

跟大家讲讲这个故事。

Tell everyone the story.

我告诉他我气坏了。

Told him the new I was so pissed.

我把帕特当成我的偶像。

I saw Pat's like a hero of mine.

我特别喜欢他。

Love him.

如果你对帕特·拉弗特有意见，那问题出在你身上。

Like, you never you if have a problem with Pat Rafter, the problem is you.

我拿到一张外卡，参加了一个在佛罗里达的赛事，离我高中所在地很近，那是我第一次打职业比赛。

But I got a wild card into a tournament in Florida, close to where I went to high school, first pro tournament.

我一看签表，发现第一轮就要对上他。

And I look at a draw and I have to play this.

那 guy 挺厉害的，但世界排名八十左右，也就那样吧。

The guy who's a good player, but, like, 80 in the world is like, okay.

我没抽到头号种子。

I didn't draw, you know, the number one seed.

要是赢了那场，我就能对上帕特·拉弗特，可那时候的我，真打不过他，肯定完蛋。

And if I win that match, I get to play Pat Rafter, like, which would have been a disaster for me at that moment in time.

但我特别想打这场。

But I wanted it so bad.

我太想打了，结果一上场就紧张到崩盘，打得一塌糊涂。

So I wanted to play it so bad that I went out and choked and absolutely had a horror show.

简直是一场噩梦。

It was it was a nightmare.

所以我最终也没能和帕特·拉弗特打上。

So I never got to play Pat Rafter.

不过说真的，帕特，你得赶紧回去忙你的团队了，今天真有正事要干，别光跟我们在这儿闲聊了。

But real quick, Pat, know you gotta get back to your your team and actually have a real job today, not just talking stuff with us.

但这个活动的初衷，对吧？

But the goal of this event, right?

我们刚才跟现场的朋友们也聊过这个。

We've talked about it with this crowd.

核心想法就是让不同世代的人连接起来。

The ideal behind is let's connect the generations.

从罗德·拉沃尔开始，一直延伸到2006年出生的丰塞卡。

Let's start at Rod Laver and then let's get to Fonseca, who was born in 2006.

让网球的各个世代真正融合在一起。

And let's just create a melting pot of Tennis Generation.

给麦克一个理由，让他能再跟博格多待七年。

Let's give an excuse for Mac to hang out with Borg for another seven years.

你跟老朋友安德烈相处得怎么样？

What's it been like with your old pal Andre?

比起三天前，你现在更喜欢他，还是更不待见他？

And do you like him more or less than you did three days ago?

我觉得还是一样。

I think still the same.

你知道，我一直很喜欢并尊重安德烈，后来更了解他了，但我的看法一点都没变。

He's you know, I've I've really liked Andre and really respected him, I've got to know him better, but it doesn't still change.

我越了解他，就越觉得他特别坦诚。

The more I get to know him, he's still he's so open.

他特别真实。

He's so honest.

没错。

Yep.

他就是本色出演。

He's real.

他这一生经历了很多，但都挺过来了，很少有人能像他这样熬过来。

You know, he's gone through a lot of stuff in his life and he's come out the other side and a lot not a lot of other not a lot of people come through that side like he has.

他有格局，当然也有心魔，但他愿意说，愿意聊，我就喜欢这一点。

He's got perspective and, yes, he's got his demons, but he's open, he talks and I love it.

我们一直在进行这种特别开放的对话。

And we're just having these really cool open conversations.

但正如我所说，我觉得一直都没变过。

But as I said, I think it's always been the same.

我一直都很尊重他。

I've always had a lot of respect for him.

说实话，我很庆幸和他一起做这件事。我看过周围的一切，但我绝对不想当队长。

And, you know, if I'm really happy that it's him I'm doing it with and I don't I looked at everything that's going on and I there's no way I wanna be the captain.

我更想跟在他这样的人后面。你知道，要是有谁能做到这样，有这么强的个人魅力，又能和这么多美国队员打成一片，那非他莫属。毕竟这支美国队太强了，大家都认识他，他是个标志人物，但作为一个人，他真的很特别。

I wanna be under someone like him, you know, or you know, if or if you did it, something like that where, you know, that big personality and and can really relate to, you know, so many of the American guys as well because it's so such a strong American team that, you know, Andre is just that they know him and he's such an iconic But as a person, he's pretty special.

是的，我完全同意。

Yeah, I totally agree.

我刚起步的时候，很幸运能有他当我的导师。

I was lucky enough to kind of have him be a mentor when I was first coming up.

但咱们也得承认，这压力真的不小。

But let's just also call it like, it's a lot.

我记得我们参加过一场匹克球比赛，那完全是另一回事，屏幕上好像还写着‘此处插入笑话’。

I know we played a pickleball event, which was that's its own thing, so insert joke here, I think is what it says on the monitor.

但我总能看见五段长篇大论分析球拍和配重，可谁在乎呢？

But I would get five paragraphs analyzing paddles and weighted things, but who cares?

给帕特·拉弗特鼓个掌。

Give it up for Pat Rafter.

真的很感谢。

Appreciate it.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好了。

Alright.

接下来，咱们展望今天，先来个情况更新。

And as we, look forward to today, let's check-in.

我们放一些昨天录的音。

We got some sounds from yesterday.

没错。

The Yeah.

球员们在新闻发布会上表现得很出色。

The players showing out a little bit in the press conferences.

是的。

Yeah.

我们来看一下。

Let's check it out.

好的。

Alright.

对。

Yeah.

当时是

It was

欧洲队和我个人都开了个好头，很高兴能早早为团队拿下一分，开了个好局。

a good good start for Team Europe and and myself, and happy to contribute to point to the team early and get us off to a good start.

我觉得从历史经验来看，拿下首分非常关键，接下来看看我们能不能趁势而上。

I think historically, it's been quite important to get the first point under our belt, and let's see if we can build from here.

我觉得刚才主要是发球环节出了点问题，破发局里我自己也打丢了一个关键分，基本上就这些原因了。

I just kind of got out served there, I'd say, and I played one poor point in the breaker on my own, and that was really it.

对，我以为自己该处理好的地方都处理好了。

Yeah, thought I took care of everything I needed to take care of.

这场地对发球方来说确实挺难的，这点毫无疑问。

The court's really tough for a server, that's for sure.

不过，我觉得我当时的发挥本来就能解决问题，或者说，至少能让我跟任何人打都有五五开的把握。

But, you know, I thought the way I played would have done the job or, you know, given me the fiftyfifty chance that I like against just about anyone.

我是说，这太棒了，简直不可思议。

I mean, it's a great it's crazy.

这完全就是一场表演秀。

It's literally a show.

你懂的？

You know?