Taking Flight

我站在悬崖边上，往下一看，顿时天旋地转。

So I'm standing on the edge of this precipice, and I'm looking down with this feeling of vertigo.

脚下一滑，石头滚落，我整个人直直地往下坠。

My feet slip, rocks fall, and I'm plummeting to the ground.

我心想，这下完了，要死了。

I think I'm gonna die.

第一个冒出来的念头是清醒梦——要是这真是个梦，我该怎么醒过来？

First thing I think of is lucid dreaming, as if if this was a dream, how could I get out of it?

就在这念头闪过的瞬间，我突然意识到：我确实在做梦。

The moment I have that, I realize I am in the dream.

重力突然消失了。

Gravity stops.

砰。

Boom.

我整个人定在了半空中。

And I'm paused in mid air.

这一瞬间，我有了选择：继续下坠、漂浮，或者飞翔。

The realization gave me the option to fall or to float or to fly.

这是《快捷方式》。

This is Shortcuts.

短小精悍的相遇，真实的故事，广播冒险，还有偶然捕捉到的声音。

Brief encounters, true stories, radio adventures, and found sound.

今天，展翅高飞。

Today, taking flight.

你对什么是真实的，会有完全不一样的感受。

You really have a different sense of what is real.

你甚至能当超级英雄。

You can be a superhero.

我从来不是个爱冒险的人。

I'm not somebody who takes risks.

所以，我居然会跳上一艘自制的直升机，从码头一跃而下，真是不可思议。

So it's quite extraordinary that I found myself jumping off a pier in a homemade helicopter.

我经常梦见自己在飞，对有些人来说，这可能意味着害怕坠落、害怕太快，或者失去控制。

I often dream about flying, and for some people, I think that means fear of falling or fear of going too fast or getting out of control.

但对我来说，就是一种特别兴奋的感觉。

But for me, it's just feeling exhilarated.

就好像，终于有件美好又非凡的事发生在了我身上。

Like, finally, something wonderful and extraordinary is happening to me.

梦里我唯一的烦恼是，有时候我落地时特别优雅，可就是再也飞不起来了。

And my only problem in the dreams is sometimes I land quite gracefully, and then I can't get back in the sky.

这让我特别气恼，也特别沮丧。

And that is infuriating and so frustrating to me.

如果觉得我是在炫耀自己的梦，那我先说声抱歉，但我真的控制不住。

And I'm sorry if this seems like I'm bragging about my dreams, but I can't help myself.

飞行这个想法，自带一种特别的自由感。

The idea of flight has a special kind of freedom to it.

只要你真能飞起来，你就能像超人一样，做出各种不可思议的事。

If only you could do it, you'd be superhuman and able to perform fantastic feats.

我想这是真实生活反过来的一面。

I suppose it's the flip side of being real.

就是挑战现实，告诉你我能做得到。

It's about flying in the face of reality and saying, see see what I can do.

这个。

This.

做那个。

Do that.

做那个。

Do that.

这就是技巧。

This is the technique.

这么做。

Do this.

做那个。

Do that.

这么做。

Do that.

这就是方法。

This is the technique.

这样做。

Do this.

就这么做。

Do Do that.

这就是方法。

This is the technique.

就是这样。

This.

这么做。

Do that.

这个

The

你第一次去抓飞盘的时候，脑子里根本容不下别的想法。

first time you fly to catch, there is no part of your brain where there is room for anything else.

就是这样。

That.

这么做。

Do to Do this.

就是这样。

That.

这么做。

Do that.

听好了，这么做。

Listen to Do that.

这么做。

Do that.

人们经常玩蹦极，对吧？

People bungee jump all the time, don't they?

人们会从飞机上跳下去。

People throw themselves out of planes.

那种在空中疾速下坠的感觉，真的没什么能比得上。

There's there's, you know, nothing like that feeling of rushing through the air.

不过在表演的时候，虽然我不是单纯的蹦极或跳伞者，但观众的眼睛都盯着你。

At the same time, you know, for me in a performance context, while I'm not just a bungee jumper or a parachutist, the eyes of the audience are on you.

你知道，在这种艺术形式里，在这种技艺上，他们看着你，就是怕你出事。

And and you know that in some sense, this particular in this particular art form, in this particular skill, they are watching you in case you fall.

当然没人希望你出事、生病、遭遇灾难，但这种紧张感，确实是吸引观众的原因之一，某种程度上，也吸引着表演者——尽管我其实是在演戏。

Now nobody wishes you illness, sickness and death and disaster but that is undoubtedly part of the draw of watching and to a certain extent the draw of performing even though I'm kind of faking it.

我从没想过要让自己真的陷入危险，但现实就是，这确实很危险。

I have no desire to put myself in genuine danger And yet I and yet the reality is dangerous.

在接住的那一刻，你的大脑里只有一件事，就是此时此刻。

At the moment of the catch, there is there is only one place your brain is, and it's right here, right now.

当你听到、感受到那个袋子，又幸运地有灯光从背后打来，还能沾点粉笔灰，你的大脑就会把所有这些细节都吸收进去。

And that, you know, hearing that, feeling that bag, you're lucky enough to have the lights behind and get a bit chalk dust, you know, that your brain just soaks all these things up.

而在那一刻，你真的会有一种完全不同的真实感。

And and there, you do really have the you really have a different sense of what is real.

你甚至能感觉自己像个超级英雄。

You can be you can be a superhero.

有很多钩子。

There are many, hooks.

我的意思是，有些原因其实挺明显的，只是当时你可能没意识到，后来别人提醒你，你才恍然大悟——比如你的身体会释放大量内啡肽、血清素，还有好多让人兴奋的化学物质，让你飘飘然，但一旦回落，又觉得空落落的。

I mean, there are some kind of fairly obvious ones, which you might not realise at the time but people tell you and you go oh yeah, you know your body releases lots of endorphins, your body releases lots of serotonin and lots of exciting chemicals that make you high and challenged and bereft when you come down.

年轻的时候，我总以为这些体验比实际上更深刻，那时候我常把它比作吸毒的感觉。

You know, when I was younger and used to think that these things are more profound than perhaps they are, I used to sort of liken it to a drug taking experience.

整个过程充满了期待，还有大量的准备。

There's a lot of anticipation, a lot of getting ready.

然后，就在短短一瞬间，发生了某种精彩到你事后都记不清的事。

Then something brilliant happens that you can't quite remember in a very short period of time.

而事后，你只记得：那一切，真的很棒。

And then afterwards you just have the memory that it was all good.

之后，一切都显得索然无味。

And then after that everything just seems very pale.

我跟一个朋友聊过很久，他有些想法，关于那些选择从事马戏表演的人，他们的心理健康，还有可能存在的躁郁倾向。

I've had a long conversation with a friend about this who has theories about those people that choose to do circus and their mental health and their possible mania and depressions.

和他聊的时候，我开始思考一些以前从未认真想过的问题。

And and I and as I spoke to him, I I sort of engaged with things that I hadn't perhaps thought about before.

其实吧，我那个特定的表演，讲的就是痛苦和煎熬，而另一个类似的表演，则完全是关于喜悦和释放。

Thought actually yeah that particular act I do is all about pain and suffering and that other act that is similar is all about jubilation and release.

也许我确实是个容易抑郁的人。

Maybe I am many depressors.

哎，灵光一现！

Know, ping!

说实话，我不确定自己是不是。

I'm not sure that I am, to be honest.

但在我心里，我确实能飞。

But in my head, I kind of can fly.

我知道我飞不起来，但能说‘这就是我做的事’，这种感觉深深契合了我的自我认同，让我觉得自己特别正常，我觉得。

I know I can't fly, but there's something about being able to say that this is what I do that plugs into one's sense of self, to my sense of self and allows me to be hyper normal, I think.

看你看杂技演员表演，总觉得他们是在毫无顾忌地把自己甩向空中。

When you watch an acrobat, it really seems like they're flinging themselves with wild abandon.

但很难想象，在这么惊险的时刻，他们其实冷静地专注着每一个精确的动作——毕竟只有两种结果：要么精彩腾空，要么重重摔在地上。

And it's strange to think that in the midst of everything, they're calmly focusing on controlled technique, especially considering that there's only two options, soaring triumphantly or falling flat on your face.

某种程度上，观众其实对哪种结果都能接受。

And in some ways, think the audience would be happy with either.

这就像站在台上被观众起哄时，你那一瞬间的反应。

It's similar to that moment between being heckled on stage and your response.

我说的是，作为单口喜剧演员，我和空中飞人一样勇敢。

And by that, I mean that as a stand up, I am as brave as a trapeze artist.

那种等待观众反应的紧张时刻。

The anticipation of the crowd.

就在有人突然喊出‘你一点都不好笑！’的那几秒钟里。

The endless second between someone shouting out, You're not funny!

你的大脑会瞬间找到最合适的回应。

Where your brain finds the best possible response.

你妈一点都不好笑！

Your mom's not funny!

只有两种结果：成功或者失败。

There are only two options, failure or triumph.

要么飞起来，要么直接摔下去。

Either you fly or you fall.

我天生就比较谨慎。

I am a cautious person naturally.

我不是那种喜欢冒险的人。

I'm not somebody who takes risks.

所以，我居然会穿着自己做的直升机从码头跳下去，这简直不可思议。

So it's quite extraordinary that I found myself jumping off a pier in a homemade helicopter.

我参加的是一个叫‘沃辛鸟人’的活动，就是一群完全不懂飞机制造的人，跑到车库里捣鼓出个稀奇古怪的装置，然后从沃辛码头跳下去，想飞起来。

I was taking part in something called the Worthing Birdman, which is basically where people who have no knowledge of how to build an aircraft go down to their sheds and build some sort of homemade contraption to try and fly off Worthing Pier.

你得飞满一百米才算成功。

And you're supposed to fly 100 meters.

要是你能飞一百米，就能拿一大笔奖金，但我估计从来没人做到过。

Think if you fly 100 meters you get a big cash prize but I don't think anyone's ever achieved it.

我的飞行器是一个叫乔尔的人做的，我和他组队跳，他造了这架自制直升机。

My aircraft was made by a man called Joel who I was teamed up to jump with and he'd built this aircraft, It was a homemade helicopter.

主要是用排水管和那种轻质塑料膜做的，就像相框背面用的材料那种。

It was basically made of guttering and sort of plastic sheetings, sort of lightweight plastic sheeting, like what you'd use as backing on a picture frame or something like that.

我打扮成落难少女，他则扮成了兰博。

I was dressed as a damsel in distress, and he was dressed as Rambo.

他爸也参与了，不过没跟我们一起跳，但他穿成了纳粹。

And and his dad was part of it, but he didn't jump with us, but he was dressed as a Nazi.

没人跟我解释过为啥要这样。

And nobody ever explained to me why that was.

跳之前你得先表演一段两分钟的小品，全程投在大屏幕上，所有人都看得见。

Well, you have to do this two minute sketch before you jump, and it's all projected on the massive screen so that everybody can watch it.

结果那个纳粹把我劫持了，接着拉姆博冲上坡道，把那个纳粹——也就是他爸——打晕了，整个场面有点怪怪的。

What happened was the Nazi took me hostage and then Rambo ran up the ramp, knocked out the Nazi, who was his dad, so it was a bit weird.

然后我和拉姆博钻进直升机，本来计划是直接飞走。

And then me and Rambo got into the helicopter and then the idea was we'd fly off.

这个

This

这种搞怪的元素，反而让人忽略了它有多危险。

novelty element of it kind of takes away how serious it is.

你总觉得这挺好玩的，可真到了跳台边缘，那种失重感才突然袭来——就是那种胃一下子冲到嗓子眼的感觉。

You think it's a bit of fun and it's not until you like, leave the edge of the pier and you feel that horrible feeling, you know, like when your stomach goes up into your your neck.

我清楚记得，下坠的时间比我想的长得多。

And I I distinctly remember it was a lot longer than I thought you could.

下落的时候，我脑子里还闪过了不少画面。

I had memories as I was falling.

老实说，那段时间足够我骂出一个脏话、骂完，再骂出第二个来——这可真是挺久的了。

Like, it was honestly enough time to sort of start a swear word, end a swear word, and then start another swear word, and that's a long time to fall.

耳边是人群的喧闹，水面反射的阳光刺眼，风呼呼地刮在脸上，可一扎进水里，瞬间安静下来，四周漆黑一片，冷得刺骨，身体不断往下沉。坠落和下沉的感觉完全不同，慢得让人发疯。我完全迷失了方向，分不清上下——因为我入水时是歪着身子下去的，根本不知道哪边是水面，哪边是水底。

You've got the roaring of the crowd and the glinting of the light on the water and the air rushing against your face and then suddenly you hit the water and it just goes to silence and darkness and it's freezing cold and you're just sinking and and the difference between falling and sinking is so pronounced, it's just so slow and I had that horrible disorientated feeling that you have where you don't know which way is up because you saw I went in a sort of weird angle and I didn't know where the top was and where the bottom was.

所以我根本不知道该往哪个方向游。

So I didn't know where to sort of start swimming towards.

那一瞬间还挺奇妙的，可紧接着就开始慌了，因为你根本不知道自己在哪，那种被困住、非得逃出去不可的恐慌感，真的让人窒息。

And that was kind of amazing for a split second and then you start to panic a bit because you don't know where you are and it's that panicking feeling of being stuck somewhere and knowing you have to get out of it.

我跳水时穿着睡裙，一进水，睡裙就往上飘，整个人像被裹在袋子里一样， underwater动弹不得。我拼命挣扎，可就是挣不开，真的吓坏了。

Because I jumped in this night dress, as I'd hit the water the the night dress is sort of risen up and I was sort of like eschatology, was sort of stuck in a sack underwater and I couldn't get out of it and it was really scary because I was trying to fight my way out.

我印象最深的不是害怕，而是特别生气——心想这下有人要倒霉了，到底谁该为此负责？可就在恐慌彻底爆发的那一刻，我突然想到：完了，这死法也太离谱了，简直是史上最蠢的死法之一，估计所有人都会看到这段视频。

And I remember being really, rather than like panicky, remember being really ticked off, like well somebody's gonna get in trouble for this, like who, who's gonna get in trouble for it but suddenly just as I began to really panic, to be, I began to think I'm gonna, oh this is it, this is an awful novelty way to die, like this is one of the worst deaths ever recorded and you know, everybody's watched this.

这也太糟了。

This is terrible.

我记得有一只手， unmistakable，一把抓住我的肩膀，把我往上拽。

I remember I felt the unmistakable hand of Rambo grab me by the shoulder and and pull me upwards.

我一冒出水面，听见有人喊：快拿脊椎板来！

The first thing I heard when I got out of water was I heard someone shout, get her a spinal board.

关键是，无论什么时候听到‘给她拿个脊椎板’这句话，都绝对不是时候。

And the thing is there's never a good time to hear the phrase, get her a spinal board.

就算前面刚问的是‘你觉得霍莉圣诞节想要什么？’

Even if the lead up question is, what do you think Holly will want for Christmas?

你心里想的是，别给我买脊椎板，直接送购物卡就行。

You know, like, don't get me a spine get just get me vouchers.

我当时根本不知道他们为啥喊‘给她拿个脊椎板’，完全懵了。

But I didn't know why they were shouting, get her a spinal board, and I was really confused.

然后我低头一看，看了看自己的胳膊。

And then I looked down and I looked at my arm.

根本看不到肘关节了。

Basically, there was no elbow.

从上臂到前臂，除了皮肤连着，啥都没有。

There was nothing connecting the lower bit of my arm to the upper bit of my arm apart from just skin.

一点血迹都没有。

There was no blood or anything.

那截骨头就那么自由漂浮着，像根骨头做的双节棍。

Was just floating sort of free form and it was like a kind of bone nunchuck.

有两个护士，只要你清醒着，她们就得这么做。

There's two nurses and they always have to do this if you're conscious.

她们会问你，这到底是怎么发生的？

They ask you how how did this happen.

于是她们就问：‘霍莉，跟我们说说，这到底是怎么发生的？’

So they were like, Holly, tell us how did this happen?

我躺在那儿，心想：好吧。

And I was lying there and I was like, okay.

我被纳粹绑架了，然后兰博救了我，我们上了直升机逃走，结果直升机坠毁了。

I was being taken hostage by a Nazi and then Rambo saved me and we got in a helicopter and we flew away but the helicopter crashed.

我压根记不清他们的脸了，我想，这儿有个严重脑损伤的病人。

And I I just didn't remember their faces like, I think we have someone with a serious head injury here.

喜剧演员霍莉·沃尔什。

Comedian Holly Walsh.

我喜欢霍莉的故事，因为现实听起来像一场荒诞的梦。

What I like about Holly's story is that the reality seems like a bizarre dream.

她说自己撞上水面时分不清上下，那种失重的兴奋转眼就变成了恐慌，完全失去了控制。

When she talks about hitting the water and not knowing what was up or down, the excitement of weightlessness quickly becomes panic and feeling out of control.

沃辛鸟人比赛的全部意义，就是试图掌控不可能的事——从高处跳下，飞向天空，而过去从来没人成功过。

The whole of the Worthing Birdman competition is about trying to master and control the impossible, to jump off and take flight where literally no one has ever succeeded in the past.

每个新参赛者都希望，自己那些荒唐又大胆的装置能打破现实的规则。

Each new competitor hopes that their ridiculous, ambitious contraption will defy reality.

飞翔的梦想，永远不会消失。

The dream of flight never goes away.

我大多数清醒梦都是从站在某物边缘开始的。

A vast majority of my lucid dreams begin with me balancing on the edge of something.

眼看就要掉下去，即将飞入一片未知之中。

With me about to fall, with me about to enter some sort of flight into the unknown.

所以，如果我能足够清醒地意识到自己在做梦，我的清醒梦往往就从‘边飞边坠’开始。

This means that if I do become mindful enough to spot that dream so I know that I'm dreaming, a lot of my lucid dreams open with falling in flight.

所以我在清醒梦里做的第一件事通常是飞翔。

So one of the first things I do in my lucid dreams is fly.

人们刚开始做清醒梦时，最想探索的两件事，一是性，二是飞翔。

The two most common areas that people wanna explore once they start lucid dreaming are firstly sex and second flying.

这两者都跟自由有关。

And these are both to do with freedom.

想象一下，如果你突然意识到，你现在经历的现实其实只是你大脑的投射，社会规范和道德准则全都失效了。

You know, if you suddenly realize right now that the reality you're experiencing was actually a projection of your own mind and that all of the norms of society and morals are out the window.

很多人会去探索自己的性欲。

A lot of people explore their sexuality.

等他们做完这些，接下来就会去尝试飞翔。

Once they've done that, the next thing they explore is flying.

那为什么是飞翔呢？

Now why flight?

为什么飞翔会成为人们在清醒梦里最先想体验的事情？

Why would flight be one of the first thing that people wanna explore in their lucid dreams?

我觉得这是因为，人类天生就能自由飞翔，这几乎是唯一一件我们永远做不到的事。

I think it's to do with the fact that naturally propelled flight is one of the few impossibilities of the human.

而能在梦里飞起来，不只是突破了看似不可能的限制，更带来一种极致的自由感——因为你突然明白，连飞行这种不可能的事都能做到，那在梦里还有什么办不到的呢？在现实中，我永远不可能真正飞起来。

And to do that is not only breaking through a seeming impossibility, but it's also such a feeling of freedom because you realize that, god, if I can fly in my lucid dreams, I can do anything because flying is that one impossibility that I will never be able to do in the waking state.

一旦你在梦里第一次体验到飞翔，你看待现实世界的方式就再也不一样了。

And once you have that first experience of flight in the lucid dream, your waking state becomes changed.

对我而言，清醒梦的感觉常常比现实还要真实，这话听起来有点奇怪，但确实如此。

Very often, the lucid dream to me actually feels more real than this, which is kind of a strange thing to say.

如果我们能在现实中也像在清醒梦里那样，把每个人看作自己内心的一部分，那我们自然会对别人更温柔。

If we were to interact with people in the waking state as we do in the lucid dreams, to see them all as aspects of our own psyche, then we'd naturally be kinder to people.

所以我觉得，如果我们能稍微多一点像做梦那样去看待这个世界，世界一定会变得更美好。

So actually, if we could enter into this as a little bit more dreamlike, the world would be a better place, I think.

我正站在梯子底下。

I'm at the foot of the ladder.

我现在要从地上迈出去了。

I'm gonna step off the land now.

这是人类迈出的一小步。

That's one small step for man.

我们最后一个故事来自美国广播节目《Radiolab》的档案，这个节目擅长把宏大的理念变得亲切而个人化。

Our last story is pulled out of the archive of a radio program from the United States Radiolab, where huge ideas are made intimate and personal.

如果你还没听过，我强烈推荐你去听一听。

And if you haven't heard it, I strongly recommend it.

这个故事讲的是金唱片的由来——这是美国科学家卡尔·萨根主导的一项宏大、雄心勃勃又令人惊叹的计划，他一生都在努力让抽象而艰深的概念触动人心。

This is the story behind the golden record, a grand, ambitious, fantastic project put together by the American scientist Carl Sagan, a man who specialized in helping abstract, difficult ideas capture people's imaginations.

金唱片本质上是一个充满浪漫的构想：制作一张代表人类的混音带，发送给宇宙，希望外星生命听了会爱上我们。

Essentially, golden record was the wonderfully romantic idea of sending out a speculative mixtape to sum up humanity to the universe and hoping that it will fall in love with us.

在这里，卡尔·萨根的妻子安德烈安在自家花园里接受访谈，她坐的位置，正是当年卡尔常坐的地方。

Here, Carl Sagan's wife, Andrean, is interviewed in her garden, sitting in the same spot that her husband Carl Sagan used to sit.

我们一开始就觉得，这是一项神圣的托付——我们这六个人，都有各自的缺陷，对这些领域也知之甚少，却在打造一座文化的诺亚方舟。

We felt, first of all, that this was a kind of sacred trust, that here we were, half a dozen very flawed human beings with huge huge holes in our knowledge of all of these subjects, building a cultural Noah's Ark.

这是一次机会，向可能存在于十亿年后的生命，讲述地球生命是什么样子。

It was a chance to tell something of what life on earth was like to beings of perhaps a thousand million years from now.

因为旅行者号的工程师说，这张唱片的寿命长达十亿年。

Because the Voyager engineers were saying this record will have a shelf life of a billion years.

如果这还不让你起鸡皮疙瘩，那你真是铁石心肠了。

If that didn't raise goosebumps, then you'd have to be made of wood.

那时候，我和卡尔·萨根也正陷入深深的爱河。

It was also the the season that Carl Sagan and I fell so madly in love with each other.

我们肩负着这项史诗般的任务，同时知道，在项目完成前，两艘飞船将从地球升空，以每小时三万五千英里的速度，飞向未来上千亿年。

And here we were taking on this mythic challenge and knowing that before it was done, two spacecraft would lift off from the planet Earth, moving at an average speed of 35,000 miles an hour for the next thousand million years.

唱片里录着一个吻，还有一位母亲对新生儿说的第一句话。

And on it would be a kiss, a mother's first words to her newborn baby.

别开玩笑了。

Come on now.

你

You

说。

go.

莫扎特。

Mozart.

巴赫。

Bach.

贝多芬，还有用地球上人口最多的59种语言说的问候。

Beethoven, greetings in the 59 most populous human languages.

shalom（平安）。

Shalom.

你好。

Hello

来自地球孩子们的问候。

from the children of planet Earth.

还有一种非人类的语言——座头鲸的问候。

As well as one non human language, the greetings of the humpback whales.

这是一次神圣的使命，因为它在说：我们希望成为宇宙的公民。

And it was a sacred undertaking because it was saying, we wanna be citizens of the cosmos.

我们希望你们了解我们。

We want you to know about us.

跟我说说，你是什么时候爱上卡尔·萨根的？

Tell me about the moment you fell in love with Carl Sagan.

你说是在旅行者号合辑里发生的。

You said it was during the Voyager compilation.

是的。

Yes.

没错。

It was.

那是1977年6月1号。

It was on 06/01/1977.

我一直在找一首中国音乐，想放进旅行者号的唱片里，又不想让人觉得我们太外行。

I had been looking for some time for that piece of Chinese music that we could put on the Voyager record and not feel like idiots for having done so.

我特别兴奋，因为终于在哥伦比亚大学找到一位民族音乐学家兼作曲家，他毫不犹豫地告诉我，《流水》这首曲子——据说是现存最古老的中国音乐之一，已有两千五百年历史——正是我们应该选上的那首。

And I was very excited because I'd finally found a ethnomusicologist composer at Columbia University who told me without a moment's hesitation that this piece Flowing Streams, which was represented to me as one of the oldest pieces of Chinese music, 2,500 years old, was the piece we should put on the record.

于是我给正在旅行的卡尔打了电话。

So I called Carl who was traveling.

他当时在亚利桑那州的图森做演讲。

He was in Tucson, Arizona giving a talk.

在制作这张唱片的三年里，我们俩独处过很多次，也一直是朋友。

And we had been alone many times during the making of the record and as friends for three years.

但我们都从未向对方表露过什么。

And neither of us had ever said anything to the other.

那时候，我们各自都有伴侣。

We were both involved with other people.

我们有过许多美妙而深邃的对话。

We'd had these wonderful, soaring conversations.

但我们都一直保持专业，也从不越界。

But we had both been completely just professional about everything and his friends.

他当时不在，我就留了言。

And he wasn't there, left a message.

一小时后，电话响了，我接起来，听到那个熟悉又动人的声音。

Hour later, phone rings, pick up the phone and I hear this wonderful voice.

他说：我回到酒店房间，看到你的留言，上面写着‘安妮打过电话’。

And he said, I get back to my hotel room and I find this message and it says, Annie called.

我心里想，你为什么十年前不跟我这么说呢？

And I say to myself, why didn't you leave me this message ten years ago?

那一刻，我的心猛地一颤。

And my heart completely skipped a beat.

到现在，我依然记得清清楚楚。

I can still remember it so perfectly.

我问他：你是认真的吗？

And I said, For keeps?

他问：你是说……结婚？

And he said, You mean get married?

我说：对。

And I said, Yes.

我们之前从来没吻过。

And, we had never kissed.

我们之前根本没聊过任何私密的话题。

We had never, you know, even had any kind of personal discussion before.

我们俩挂了电话，我当场大喊出来。

We both hung up the phone and I just screamed out loud.

我记得特别清楚，因为那简直是个顿悟的瞬间。

I remember it so well because it was this great Eureka moment.

就像科学发现一样令人震撼。

It was just like a scientific discovery.

接着电话又响了，我心里想，该不会是卡尔吧？他打电话来就是想确认，刚才那事儿真的发生了。

And then the phone rang and I was thinking, you know, like and the phone rang and it was Carl and he said, I just wanna make sure that really happened.

我们要结婚了。

We're getting married.

对吧？

Right?

我就说，对。

And I said, Yeah.

我们要结婚了。

We're getting married.

他说，好。

He said, Okay.

就是想确认一下。

Just wanted to make sure.

飞船在8月20日发射升空。

And the spacecraft lifted off on August 20.

8月22日，我们把这件事告诉了所有相关的人，从那时起一直到他1996年12月去世，我们一直在一起。

And August 22, we told everyone involved, and we were together from that moment until his death in 1996 in December.

天哪。

Wow.

这可真是浪漫。

Talk about romantic.

天哪。

My god.

真是太浪漫了。

It's so romantic.

关于旅行者号，我有很深的感受，录音时我冥想时记录下的脑电波、心跳、眼神，所有这些，都承载着我的情感。

And part of my feeling about Voyager, obviously, and part of what I was feeling in the recording of my brain waves, my heart, my eyes, everything in that meditation on the record.

我问过卡尔，能不能把人的大脑和神经系统中的冲动转化成声音，录进唱片里，让未来的外星文明或许能将这些数据还原成思想。

I had asked Karl whether or not it would be possible to compress the impulses in one's brain and nervous system into sound and then put that sound on the record and then think that perhaps the extraterrestrials of the future would be able to reconstitute that data into thought.

那是在纽约一个美丽的五月天，他看着我说：你知道吗，十亿年可是很长的时间啊。

And he looked at me in beautiful May Day in New York City and said, well, you know, a thousand million years is a long time, you know?

你为什么不干脆去试试呢？

Why don't you go do it?

毕竟，谁说得准呢？

Because who knows?

你说是吧？

You know?

谁知道一千万年后会发生什么？

Who knows what's possible in a thousand million years?

所以，我的脑电波、快速眼动，还有身体发出的每一个细微声音，都在纽约贝尔维尤医院被录了下来。

And so my brain waves and REM, every little sound that my body was making was recorded at Bellevue Hospital in New York.

那是我和卡拉刚向彼此表白爱意后的第二天。

This was two days after Carla and I declared our love for each other.

我常常想，也许十亿年后，有人发现了这张唱片，我就总在想，因为当时我在冥想中所想的，正是爱的奇妙，是相爱的感觉，而这些都被刻在了那两艘飞船上。

And so what I often think is that maybe a 100,000,000 from now, you know, somebody flags that record down and I always wonder it because part of what I was thinking in this meditation was about the wonder of love and of being in love and to know it's on those two spacecraft.

即使到现在，每当我情绪低落，我都会想，它们依然以每小时三万五千英里的速度，正朝着星际空间的浩瀚海洋远去。

Even now, in my whenever I'm down, you know, I'm thinking, and still they move 35,000 miles an hour, leaving our solar system for the great wide open sea of interstellar space.

想到太空旅行，哪怕只是想到宇宙和无限，都是最让人激动的想象之一。

The thought of space travel, even just the thought of space and infinity, is one of the most exciting things for our imagination.

我觉得这个想法特别迷人。

I think it's a delicious idea.

我也喜欢这个故事讲的是爱。

I like also that this story is about love.

坠入爱河就像冒着摔到地上的风险，却也拥有展翅高飞的无限可能。

Falling in love has all of the risks of crashing to the ground, but all of the fantastic potential and possibility of taking flight.