#291- 湿润的名人

事实上，我曾经开玩笑说过，这就像大海的伟大西方传说。

In fact, I think like I I sort of jokingly at one point said this is like the great western legend of of the sea.

你是说西方传说吗？

You mean western legends?

就是这个。

That's it.

抱歉。

Sorry.

是的。

Yeah.

我脑子里现在响起了伟大的西方小径音乐。

I'm getting great western trail music.

你把你的混成词拼在一起了。

You put your portmanteau together.

我喜欢

I love

它。

it.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

它就像西部传奇。

It is it's like western legends.

它就像选择你自己的方式成为水上的名人。

It's like choose your kind of avenue to become water famous.

我们出名了。

We're famous.

我们出名了。

We're famous.

这就像，我可能要全力以赴，把历史上所有的鲨鱼都彻底清除，也可能干脆好好做我的工作，处理一些悲剧事件，是的。

It's like maybe I'm gonna just go really really hard on just expunging the sea of every shark that ever lived or maybe I'm gonna actually do my job and get tragedies Yeah.

某种程度上，我倒希望它往那个方向发展更多。

And I kind of in a way wish it had gone more that direction.

有几件事是我本来会做的。

There's a couple of things that I would have done.

比如，在游戏结尾，我们意识到你其实只是巧妙地介入并做了些广告，这本质上就是一种工作安置，能让你获得大量积分。

Like, I I at the end of the game, we realized that you'd basically just done a savvy thing of jumping in and doing some advertising, which was basically just work placement where you got loads of points.

我也没拿到多少积分。

I didn't even get that many.

就拿了八个。

It was like eight.

这只是一个选项，你花钱去买积分，仅此而已。

It's just an option where you just go and you spend money to get points and that's and that's it.

这又是一种机制，

Which is again a kind of mechanic in

而这个游戏其他方面都极具主题性。

a game that's so, like, otherwise quite thematic.

我心想，这到底是什么意思？

I'm like, what the heck is that about?

赶紧把它去掉吧。

Like, take that out of here.

我觉得这完全是

This is just I think

这个设计的初衷是让玩家在游戏初期觉得它非常有利可图，但随着游戏进行，它的价值会逐渐下降。

the idea is that it's meant to look really lucrative early on in the game, and then it gets because it gets less good over the course of the game.

而且，如果你在早期冒险多做广告，但即便如此，它在主题上依然无法自圆其说。

And it's like, well, if you take the risk early on and do a bunch of advertising, but it's still like, it doesn't thematically hang together.

对，确实不行。

No, it doesn't.

但我喜欢你让其中一个工人扮演特殊角色的方式。

But I I like the way that you had one of your workers.

就像在《银河游轮》里，有一个特别大的工人。

A bit like in Galactic Cruise, you have one worker who is like the big worker.

是的。

Yeah.

老板。

The boss.

老板。

The boss.

这很有趣，因为老板能获得加成。

And that's fun because the boss gets bonuses.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但有一个小机制：如果你把老板和一名初级员工派到同一个工作位，第一个行动的人会培训对方，对方就会戴上一顶小帽子，让这个人暂时看起来像老板，但仅限于那种情况。

But it has a little thing where if you take the boss and a junior person to the same worker placement area and you get first person to do it, you train them up and they get a little hat, which makes that person, like, as if they are the boss, but only for that kind of Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不过，我发现这非常有趣，而且我很喜欢给人们戴帽子。

Still, though, I found that a lot of fun and I really enjoyed putting the hats on people.

我们开始给他们起一些搞笑的名字。

We kind of started giving them stupid names.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我觉得，如果这些帽子不是仅仅作为带有数字的平面物品（数字代表棋盘上的行动编号），而是有其他设计，这个游戏可能会好很多。

And I I feel like actually the game would I wonder how much better the game would be if instead of the hats just being these flat things that have numbers on them, that is the number of the action on the board.

如果给他们一些更有主题性的帽子，对。

If they've given them slightly thematic hats Right.

那样的话，我会更喜欢这个游戏。

Then I feel like at that point, I would have liked the game a lot more.

是的。

Yeah.

就像

Like

给地图戴一顶小小的印第安纳·琼斯帽子。

a little Indiana Jones hat for the for the maps.

我能做个有点大胆的比较吗？

Can I make a kind of wild comparison here?

我觉得这个游戏最像我们玩过的那款《Rock Hard》。

Is that I actually think that this game more than anything kinda reminds me of that game Rock Hard that we played

啊，那个

a That while

是关于当摇滚明星的游戏，有点像工人放置类游戏，但主题是制作音乐。

was the game about being a rock star and you could it was like a worker placement game but about like making music.

我整个游戏时间都在录音棚里埋头苦干。

And I spent the whole game toiling away in the studio.

你整个游戏时间都在派对。

You spent the whole game partying.

我不确定。

I I don't know.

我觉得我明白你的意思。

I think I think that's I I get what you mean.

我觉得这个比较有点苛刻，因为我觉得《Rock Hard》在随机卡牌之类的设计上真的非常疯狂。

I think that's a cruel comparison because I think Rock Hard was like really unhinged in terms of having it's like chance cards and stuff like that.

但我想我说的是，这是一款风味很足的欧式游戏，我只玩过一次，不确定是否真的有必要再玩一遍。

And but I guess what I'm saying is that this feels like a super flavorful euro game that I've played once and I don't know if I necessarily need to go back and play it again.

我想这就是它们之间的共同点。

I think that's where the kind of common ground sits between them.

这款游戏有那种轻浮、滑稽的边缘感，但作为游戏设计，它更扎实一些，是的。

In that this is a game that has those edges of being like frothy and and silly, but it is more robust as a game design Yeah.

在核心层面。

At its core.

但即便如此，玩完之后我并没有那种想立刻再玩一次的冲动，是的。

But still, the feeling afterwards didn't have me, like, jumping in Yeah.

想再玩一次。

Wanting to go in again.

我想就是这样。

I think that's it.

我觉得它显然比《Rock Hard》扎实多了，而我觉得《Rock Hard》简直有点乱七八糟。

I think it's like it it felt it's definitely a lot more robust than Rock Hard, which I thought was frankly just a bit of a mess.

但是，嗯，是的。

But, like but, yeah.

它走了一条奇怪的路线，既不够有主题感，无法让人感觉像一款小小的冒险游戏。

It is it it walked that weird line of not being quite, like, thematic enough to feel like a little adventure y game.

是的。

Yeah.

但也没足够扎实，无法成为那种让人很想一直玩下去的深度德式游戏。

But then also not feeling quite as robust enough to be, like, a really, like, a crunchy euro that you'd really want to keep playing

玩了又玩

and playing

和游玩。

and playing.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为，我对这款游戏的很多挫败感，很大程度上是因为说明书简直糟糕透顶。

And I think a lot of my frustration with this game is kind of exacerbated by the fact that the manual was absolutely appalling.

这确实没帮上忙。

It doesn't help.

这本说明书真的非常糟糕，导致我们以各种模糊奇怪的方式玩游戏，因为它根本没提供足够的澄清，比如是否……

It's a truly truly shocking bit of manual that meant that we I think it kinda led to us playing the game in all these fuzzy strange ways because it just doesn't give you enough clarification whether Yeah.

再说一次，我觉得我们一直在翻说明书，想搞清楚关于宝藏不能放在船上的规则。

Again, I think, you know, we were we kept searching for the manual trying to work out the rule about treasure being not on the boat.

因为最后看起来，当你在海上获得宝藏时……

Because in the end it's like it does seem like when you get treasure out at at sea

传送魔法。

teleports The magic.

回到你的

Back to your

玩家版图上，我觉得他们明明是在海上。

player board in a way that I'm like, but they've they're out at sea.

这是因为你派出的小船上有用于装备的插槽，这些是小小的方格空间。

It's because your little boat that you send out has like slots for the equipment which are these little square spaces.

而宝藏也是一个漂亮的方格空间。

And then the treasure is also a nice little square space.

但据我们所知，它会立即传送到你的基地，你甚至可以在同一天把它卖给博物馆，这很奇怪，因为游戏里其他所有内容都要求你返回港口来为船装备新物品。

But as far as we could tell, it just teleports back to your base immediately, and you can then sell it to the museum on the same day, which is strange because everything else in the game has you returning to port to, like, put new equipment on your boat.

我不知道。

I don't know.

非常奇怪。

Very strange.

说实话，我觉得玩起来挺有趣的，但我明白你的意思。

Honestly, like, I I had fun with it, but, I get it.

它并没有让人觉得足够刺激，也没有足够的变化能让人不断回去探索，寻找各种东西，而且。

It's it's it didn't feel like it was exciting enough or that there would be enough, like, variants to keep digging back and back to, like, find things and Yeah.

然后一遍又一遍地玩。

And play again and again.

但我玩得挺开心的。

But I had a fun time with it.

是的。

Yeah.

挺有趣的，那种奇怪的主题设定。

Fun, like, weird thematic thing.

嗯，没错。

Well, yeah.

这游戏真是有点奇怪。

Really strange bit of game.

接下来在播客中，我们来聊聊《Tenby》。

Next up on the podcast, we have Tenby.

这是另一款2025年发布的游戏，由本吉·塔尔博特设计，美术由本吉·塔尔博特完成，由Mighty Boards出版。

This is another twenty twenty five game designed by Benjie Talbot with art by Benjie Talbot and published by Mighty Boards.

这是一款通过卡牌建造美丽的海滨小镇滕比的游戏。

This is a game where you're making the wonderful city of Tenby out of cards.

这些卡牌并不是一种非常坚固的建筑材料。

They're not a very sturdy construction material.

它可能会倒塌。

It might fall down.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且，没错，这款游戏讲述的是威尔士那个迷人的海滨小镇。

And, yeah, this is about the nice little, Welsh town by the sea.

是的。

Yeah.

如果你在盛夏时节带着鱼叉和潜水服，试图在海里猎杀生物，贸然前往那里，

Which if you do rock up to it, in the height of the summer with harpoons and diving suits and trying to murder things in the sea.

你会被拒之门外。

You will be turned away.

他们不喜欢这样。

They don't like it.

他们不喜欢这样。

They don't like it.

但如果你只是想去吃个冰淇淋。

But if you just want an ice cream.

哦。

Oh.

哦。

Oh.

一些色彩鲜艳的建筑。

Some colorful buildings.

非常宜人。

Very pleasant.

确实非常宜人。

Very pleasant indeed.

我喜欢这个游戏相当

I like this game quite

多。

a lot.

这很甜美，嗯。

It's very sweet Mhmm.

而且酥脆。

And crunchy.

是的。

Yes.

有点儿

Kind of

完美的组合。

the perfect combination.

表面上看，这像是一个温馨、轻松的小游戏，你觉得自己会玩得很轻松，但一旦开始玩，你就发现

It looks on the surface to be a nice little sweet gentle time and you're gonna have an easy game and then you start playing and you go

我觉得，如果你没有我们这种特别喜欢刺激桌游的头脑，你大概真的只会度过一段非常悠闲的时光。

I feel like if you didn't have our particular type of, of of of spicy board game brains though that that you probably would just have a really nice chill time.

因为从纸面上看，你只是从这些小商店里拿卡片。

Because on paper, all you're doing is you are taking cards from these little shops.

你有一些建筑，有一些枢纽，你只需要拿一栋建筑、拿一个东西，然后把它放在四条不同的街道之一上，是的。

You've got some buildings, you've got some pivot, and all you have to do is take a building, take a thing, and then place it into one of four different streets Yeah.

你可以建造的。

That you can make.

所以，是的，一开始你是在建造第一条街道，如果你想新建一条，就可以再建一条。

So, yeah, any point, you start off with you're making a first street, and then if you wanna make a new one, you can make a new street.

创建一条新街道。

Have a new street.

然后你只需要以合法的方式将它放在另一张牌旁边。

And then all you have to do is just put it next to another card in a way that is legal.

基本上，这些牌上有一些部分，比如高大的建筑，或者一小段码头。

And basically, you've got bits of these cards that are either like it's a high building or it's a little bit of pier.

嗯。

Mhmm.

或者建筑变成码头之类的。

Or it's a building becoming a pier, etcetera.

建筑的末端延伸下来，接着是码头。

It's the end of the building coming down and then pier.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以只要你能把它放在旁边，并且是紧邻墙壁或

So as long as you can put it next to it and it's either a wall or

一个码头。

A pier.

一个码头。

A pier.

这样没问题。

That's fine.

就是这样。

That's it.

这是允许的。

That's allowed.

你可以

You can

这样做。

do that.

你可以这样做。

You can do that.

但这些所有建筑和所有码头都有小小的评分标准。

But but all of these buildings and all of these piers have little scoring criteria.

评分标准会查看相邻的牌，然后判断：在我旁边的牌上有多少个这种东西？

And the scoring criteria will look at the adjacent cards and say, how many of this thing are on your cards next to me?

嗯嗯。

Mhmm.

比如，你有一张梨子牌，上面画着一只海鸥，并标注着一分。

So for example, you'll have a bit of pear that has a picture of a seagull and it says one point next to it.

这意味着，当你看那张梨子牌旁边的两张牌时，嗯嗯。

Which means if you look at the two cards next to that bit appear Mhmm.

数一数海鸥的数量。

Just count up the seagulls.

通常，我们习惯于游戏里用特定的图标来表示这些内容。

You know, normally we're used to games having like specific icons for these things.

对。

Yep.

你知道，在《Cascadia》这样的游戏中，他们会说，你旁边有多少狐狸图标，或者有多少这种特定符号。

You know, they'll say like in Cascadia or something, it'd be like, how many, you know, fox icons next to you or how many of this specific symbol.

这款游戏的妙处在于，你需要寻找的那些小元素被巧妙地散布在卡片周围。

It's kind of delightful in this game that they've kind of littered the little bits of stuff that you need to look for in these cards kind of around the card.

是的。

Yeah.

有多少朵云呢？

It's like how many clouds are there?

literally 就是这张卡片上有多少个单独的云朵图案。

And it's literally how many individual drawings of clouds are on this card.

感觉像是在玩‘找不同’。

Feel like you're doing like Spot the Difference

或者类似的游戏。

or something.

这感觉就像是给小孩子做的活动。

It feels like it should be like an activity for small children.

是的。

Yeah.

比如，有多少个小龙虾笼子？

Being like, oh, how many little lobster cages are there?

你知道，有多少个

You know, how many of

我们稍后再回来看这个，但它可能是一个适合幼儿的活动。

We'll come back to this later, but it could be an activity for small children.

我觉得对。

I think Yeah.

因为所有的

Because of all of

因为那些特殊规则。

because of the special rules.

特殊规则。

The special rules.

是的。

Yeah.

我们回头再谈

We'll get back to

这个。

to that later.

我们会再回到

We'll get back

那些特殊规则上。

to the special rules later.

但我的意思是，老实说，如果我也让自己的大脑放松一下，这本来可以成为一个适合小朋友的活动。

But, I mean, honestly, it could have been an activity for small children if if I'd allowed my brain to switch off as well.

但我当时真的在努力计算和最大化它。

But I was really trying to crunch it and max it.

因为，没错，你有一些卡片，比如，每张与这张卡片相邻的海女孩就能得一分。

Because, yes, you have cards that are like, oh, you get a point for every seagirl adjacent to this card.

但你还有其他卡，比如每张与这张卡相邻的云朵都能得一分。

But then you have cards that are like, you get a point for every cloud adjacent to this card.

我是说，左右各两张卡。

I mean, two cards either direction.

所以你就想，哇，这里有四张卡？

So then you're like, woah, there's four cards?

你完全可以优化天空中的云朵布局。

You could really optimize the clouds in the sky there.

你可能能拿到12分左右。

You might get 12 points maybe.

我不确定。

I don't know.

然后你还有些特殊卡，可能会一直延伸到底部。

And then you have cards that are special that may, like, all the way down.

比如这些特殊的，我简直想说它们是某种文物。

Like, you have these special, like, kind of I wanna say artifacts.

地标。

Landmarks.

地标。

Landmarks.

是的。

Yeah.

它会是这样的：数一数这一整行的所有温馨建筑。

It'll be like, hey, you count up all of the cozy buildings on this whole row.

每栋房子都能给你两分。

Every single house is gonna get you two points.

哇哦。

Woah.

哇哦。

Woah.

哇哦。

Woah.

是的。

Yeah.

关于这一切有趣的地方在于，它们会出现在你面前的这些小型市场中。

And the thing that's interesting about all of this is that they come in these little markets that you have in front of you.

我最近刚评测过《铁路瓷砖》，它有一个系统非常让人联想到《铁路瓷砖》。

And it has this interesting I reviewed Railroad Tiles recently and it has a system that's very evocative Railroad Tiles.

先手玩家将选择一张行动卡，这张卡会告诉他们这一轮可以放置多少张每种类型的卡牌到自己的牌阵中。

The first player in turn order will choose one of these action cards that will tell them how many of each kind of card they get to put into their tableau this round.

例如，如果我先手，我选择了一张给我两张建筑和一个码头的卡，然后我就把它们放置好。

So for example, I might be going first in turn order and I pick the card that gives me two buildings and a pier and then I will place them away.

但还有一张行动卡稍微差一点，位于它的左侧，而右侧则有一张稍微好一点的行动卡。

But then there is another action card that's a little bit worse, but let to the left of it, and there's another action card that's a little bit better to the right of it.

马特需要选择：是想在下一轮先行动，但接受一个较弱的行动，还是晚一点行动，但能获得更多卡牌。

And Matt has a choice of whether he wants to go first internal the next round, taking a worse action, or later internal, but getting more cards.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

此外，有趣的是，这些不同的卡牌市场会根据卡牌的质量而有所不同。

And the interesting thing about this as well, is that each of these different card markets is kind of varied depending on the quality of the card.

是的。

Yes.

所以，作为你基本核心的建筑卡，总是有三张可供选择。

So the buildings which, you know, are your sort of bread and butter, there's always three cards to choose from.

而码头卡在市场上始终只有两张，地标卡则始终只有一张。

Then there's only ever two peer cards in the market and only ever one landmark card.

嗯。

Mhmm.

因此，如果你打算这轮拿地标卡，你就得确定自己真的需要它。

And so if you're gonna go for the landmark this round, you need to know that you really want it.

而且这个行动必须在恰当的时机出现。

And the action needs to arrive at the right time.

不过这里也有一点灵活性，因为你有这些救生圈，可以用来换取额外行动。

Or there's a little bit of bendiness in there because you have these life rings you can spend for extra actions.

是的

Yeah.

生命环真的非常有帮助，它们确实管用。

The the life rings really, like, help a lot They in do.

在能够用这些经济资源随时进行任意行动方面，它们特别有用。

Terms of just being able to, like, okay, you can spend this, like, economy to just do wild actions at any point.

对。

Yes.

尤其是在你心想：‘天啊’的时候特别有用。

And especially useful when you think, oh, god.

我现在就得做那件事。

I need to do that now.

我得去商店买那个东西。

I need to grab that thing from the shop.

嗯

Mhmm.

我真的很喜欢这种通过竞标来决定行动顺序，同时还能获得行动点的机制。

I really like the whole, like, bidding for the turn order and getting actions for it at the same time.

有点像《国王多米诺》里的玩法，你翻牌然后按数字顺序排列，这就意味着有些回合你会觉得，哇，这张牌真差劲。

Kinda like in King Domino, really, actually, of the way that you are just flipping cards and then putting them in numerical order, which means you do have some rounds where you go, well, that's a really, really crap card.

是的。

Yeah.

但如果你拿了这张牌，你就能先行动。

But if you take that, you get to go first.

但那个让你最后行动的牌，可能反而特别厉害。

But then the one that makes you last might be, like, incredible.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

而有些回合则是，所有牌都还不错，或者全都很差。

Versus rounds where you have, like, well, they're all kind of all good or they're all crap.

是的。

Yeah.

它们都集中在一起，能够评估在这种情况下回合顺序的价值至关重要。

They're all kind of bunched and being able to assess how valuable turn order is in that is pretty crucial.

而且，你会长时间保持对回合顺序的控制。

And, like, you you maintain control of turn order for a long time.

是的。

Yeah.

我毫不手软。

I was ruthless.

你确实很狠心地

You were ruthless about

不过并没有帮我赢得胜利。

Did not get me the win, though.

没错。

No.

并没有。

It didn't.

但说实话，这压力很大，因为不断意识到你将会先手。

But, like, honestly, it was it was stressful because it kept realizing that, like, okay, you're gonna go first.

你会拿走那两张建筑卡中的两张。

You're gonna take two of those, like, building cards.

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后市场上就没什么留给我了。

And then there's not gonna be any in the market for me.

是的。

Yeah.

然后我就得用我宝贵的生命戒指，只是为了如果我想抽几张更多的牌的话。

And then I'm gonna have to spend my precious little life rings to just if I want to top deck a few more To

只是多看几张牌。

just see more cards.

我遇到的问题是，我一直想，你知道吗？

I had the problem of I kept going, you know what?

我就只是要抽一张牌，然后你得把它放下去。

I'm just gonna top deck something and then you have to place it.

我这么做了两次，结果什么都放不了。

And, like, I did it twice and couldn't place anything.

是的。

Yeah.

那时候我就想，你知道吗，是

And it was like, you know Was

你要用这张牌新建一条街吗？

it, do you just wanna make a new street with this?

不用。

No.

不用。

No.

所以我当时正处于探索阶段，但你知道，我其实挺喜欢这样的。

So I I was very much in the finding out phase, but, you know, I kinda like that.

我当时就像在赌博一样。

That I was like, I was really gambling.

我打算抽一张顶牌，然后发现它根本行不通。

I was like, I'm gonna take a top card and then be like, oh, it doesn't work.

游戏有一种很美妙的流畅感，我喜欢一开始抽一张作为游戏目标的牌这个设定。

There was a a a lovely kind of flow to the game and I like the fact that, you you know, we had that that thing at the start of of getting out a card that's kind of an objective card for the game.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

还有这个目标系统，比如你完成一条街道就能获得分数。

And having the objective system, having a thing where, like, you basically get points for, like, if you finished a street or not.

所以你总会想方设法去完成这些目标。

So, like, you wanna kind of try and get these objectives.

还有像那种街道上有10盏路灯这样的情况

And again, it's stuff like have a street that has 10 lampposts on

就是那样。

it.

所以，

So,

我喜欢这种微观和宏观的结合。

I enjoy the kind of micro and the macro of it.

是的。

Yeah.

还有那种赌运气的元素，比如我好几次都知道自己应该完成正在建造的那条街道。

And that sort of push your luck as well of like, there were many times at which I knew that I should probably finish the street that I was working on.

对。

Yeah.

但要是我再挤进一栋小建筑呢？

But what if I squeeze another little building?

更多点数。

More points.

尤其是因为那种相邻加成的效果。

Especially because it's that, like, adjacency bonus thing.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你就会想，哦，真棒。

You're like, oh, cool.

好的。

Okay.

这条街上有路灯，那我就把它放这儿。

Well, that's got lampposts on it, so I'll put that there.

太好了。

Great.

然后你就想，哦，那辆车的加成需要长椅。

And then you're like, oh, well, the bonus on that car wants benches.

然后你就想，哦，一张带长椅的卡。

And then you're like, oh, a card with benches on it.

然后你就这样，不断串联这些相邻加成，直到你突然觉得，

And then you just, like, keep chaining together these, like, adjacency bonuses until you're like,

我在这儿干嘛呢？

what am I doing here?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这个机制挺傻的，但我喜欢这一点，你知道吗？你有这些目标卡，可以收集更多，它们的范围更广，就是让你去收集这么多这种东西，或者在街道上完成某件事。

What's This is this is a silly but, no, I like the fact that, you know, you have these these objective cards that you can get more of that are much broader and are just like, hey, just get this many of this thing or do this thing on a street.

我给你点提示。

I'll give you some direction.

这意味着你可以就这么玩。

It means you can just play it like that.

你没必要深陷在试图最大化每一张牌的细节里。

You don't have to get lost in the weeds of, like, trying to maximize every single card.

当我逐张计算分数时，我觉得有一张牌根本没有给我任何分数，嗯。

Like, when I was going through and scoring each card, I think I had one card that didn't get me any points Mhmm.

那感觉挺糟糕的。

And it felt bad.

是的。

Yeah.

但除此之外，感觉还不错，有些牌还给我带来了六分或九分。

But otherwise, it was nice, and some of them were getting me, like, six or nine.

我当时就想，哦。

And I was like, oh.

是的。

Yeah.

长椅里有金子啊，孩子。

There's money in benches, son.

是的。

Yeah.

这真的很棒。

It's it's lovely.

说实话，它对我的大脑造成的负担比我预期的要大得多。

Like, it definitely was, like, hurting my brain more than I expected.

是的。

Yeah.

但我对于

But I For the

盒子的大小和包装如此可爱，你会以为这个游戏会比实际简单得多。

size of box and the presentation being as cute as it is, you think this is gonna be a lot easier than it is as a game.

但当你坐下来玩的时候，它会狠狠地给你一击。

And then when you sit down to play it, it will, hit you on the skull.

但是以一种很有趣的方式，这也是我喜欢桌游的一点：你坐在那里，心想，天啊，我真是费劲了。

But in kind of a hilarious way and one of those things that I love in board games where you sit there and go, oh boy, I'm I'm really crunching here.

然后在某个时刻，你指着我，问：‘你干嘛呢？’

And then at one point, you you, like, point over at me and, like, what are you doing?

而我只是在那儿指指点点、移动东西。

And I'm literally just pointing and moving.

我在数云朵。

I'm like, I'm counting clouds.

我真的在数卡通云朵。

It's like, literally, I'm, like, counting cartoon clouds.

我把我的长凳都整理好了。

I've get my benches in order.

而且，是的，非常非常温馨。

And, like, yeah, very, very sweet.

我觉得如果人更多一点，尤其是关于确定和固定回合顺序这件事，会很有趣，是的。

I think it would be interesting, like, with more people, especially, like, terms of the the the trying to get that turn order and lock it in and Yeah.

保住你的王冠。

Hold on to that crown.

正如你所说，里面有一些非常有趣的变体。

And as you said, there's, like, some really fun variants in it.

所以，我们已经看到一些游戏这样做了。

So, you we've seen a few games doing this.

我觉得即将发布或已经发布的《Cascadia》新版本。

I think the new Cascadia that's coming out shortly or is out.

我不太确定它的发布时间。

I'm not sure about timing on that.

它也有类似的模式，可以玩简化版的游戏，是的。

Has another mode like that as well where you can play a simplified version of the game Yeah.

适合孩子，或者那些精疲力尽的人玩。

With kids or, you know, people who are exhausted.

这个也有类似的设计。

This has a similar thing.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

这其实挺有意思的，因为它不仅仅是刚才我们玩的Tenby游戏的简化版。

It's kind of fascinating actually because it's not just a simpler version of Tenby, the game that we just played.

嗯。

Mhmm.

它有多种不同的规则变体，对应不同的复杂程度，这些变体几乎像是完全不同的游戏，但都使用相同的卡牌。

It has a whole bunch of different rules variants for different levels of complexity that are like entirely different games, but they just use the same cards.

我还没仔细研究过这些规则，但我敢肯定其中一些几乎就像是找不同游戏。

And I haven't looked thoroughly at these, but I'm sure some of them are just like spot the difference almost.

它们就是让你看这些小图案，比如……

They're just like, look at these little Yeah.

海鸥和烟囱，适合孩子们玩。

Seagulls and and chimneys for kids to play.

但同时，你也可以用同样的组件玩复杂的Tenby游戏。

But then there's also the complicated Tenby game of Tenby that you can play using the same components.

这真的很有趣。

It's really interesting.

我以前没见过有这样的游戏，它居然能用同一副牌玩这么多奇怪又随机的小游戏，这些小游戏都被我们随便塞进盒子里了。

I've not seen a game do that before where it's like, look, you can just use these to play all these strange little sort of random games that we've chucked in the box as well.

如果你面对的是一张桌子，上面的人能力参差不齐，或者你只是想对孩子假装他们玩的是和你一样的游戏。

If you're dealing with a table perhaps that has mixed abilities around the table or if you just wanna pretend to a child that they're playing the same game you're playing.

是的。

Yeah.

说实话，我觉得后者更好。

I honestly, I think the latter.

我觉得有个可爱的小盒子真的很棒，尤其是像这样的东西，最糟糕的情况就是，你知道，也许这玩意儿挺酷的，但我觉得，呃，我喜欢动漫，但我特别讨厌那种情况：你有个动漫周边，孩子跑过来说，哦，这个看起来好有趣。

I think it's nice to have a thing that's a cute little box that like especially with something like that, there's nothing worse than when like, you know, I guess it's cool, but I think, know, it's I I enjoy anime, but I I I hate I hate the idea of having a situation where you have some anime related thing and a child comes up and goes, oh, this looks fun.

然后你得说，不行，这个不适合你。

And you'd be like, no, you cannot.

这不适合你。

This is not for you.

就像，有一样东西看起来有趣又可爱，你却说：不行，别碰那个。

Like, there's something about, like, having something that looks fun and cute and then saying, no, no, no, keep away from that.

是的。

Yeah.

别碰我那套完好无损的宝可梦卡收藏。

Keep away from my pristine Pokemon card collection.

这就像是，

It's like,

不，这样感觉不对。

no, that feels wrong.

是的。

Yeah.

这个游戏看起来如此有趣、充满童趣和卡通风格，如果孩子想玩，他们应该被允许。

And this game looks so fun and childlike and cartoonish that if a kid wants to play it, they They should be allowed.

是的，他们应该被允许。

Yeah, they should be allowed.

他们不应该经历加班地狱。

And they shouldn't go through crunch hell.

不。

No.

但我也觉得，手册里可以加一点小提示，就像在街机盒子里建议如何让那个没钱的孩子也能玩一样。

But also, I think, like, I do like the idea of of manuals just having a little thing being like, almost like a a suggestion in a box of like how to, to do that, like, kid at the arcade who doesn't have any money load.

控制器没插上。

Controller not plugged in.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你可以这么说，好吧，我们想玩这个硬核游戏。

Like, so you can be like, alright, we wanna play this crunchy game.

是的。

Yeah.

我们还有一个孩子也想玩。

We have a kid who wants to play as well.

他们绝对不能。

They definitely can't.

是的。

Yeah.

但我们可以做些什么，让他们感觉他们正在参与呢？

But, like, what can we do that makes them feel like they're doing it?

是的。

Yeah.

所以在他们的回合中，他们会做一些看起来像我们在做的事情，但实际上并不会影响我们。

So on their turn, they're doing something that looks like what we're doing, but it's not actually impacting us.

我喜欢这个想法。

And I like I like that.

我觉得这样很好。

I think it's good.

我觉得所有这些

I think that all of

在滕比的那些小附加游戏里，应该有一种底层的现实感。

the little extra games in Tenby should have a sort of, like, realism factor below them.

孩子会觉得自己正在玩你正在玩的这个游戏吗？

How much does the child think that they're really playing the game you're playing right now?

然后你还有那个经济衰退的遗留模式，是的。

And then you have the recession legacy mode for Yeah.

超级加速的成年人。

The super turbo adults.

我们只是在不停地划掉东西。

We're just like crossing things out.

所有的鸟都因为污染死光了。

All of the birds have died because of pollution.

哦，天哪。

Oh, no.

不。

No.

别做这个版本。

Don't make that version.

请停下。

Please stop.

停下。

Stop.

停下。

Stop.

这就是本周《闭嘴坐下》播客的节目内容。

And that is this week's episode of the Shut Up and Sit Down podcast.

我们讨论了《Thesaurus》。

We talked about Thesaurus.

讨论了《Tenby》。

Talked about Tenby.

两款非常不同的游戏。

Two very different games.

是的。

Yep.

两者都旁边，但两者都

Both beside the But both a

有点湿。

bit wet.

两者都有点湿。

Both a bit wet.

如果你想了解更多关于湿漉漉的游戏，嗯。

If you wanna hear about more wet games Mhmm.

那你就可以回去听一下《大湿漉漉冲刺》这一集，马特在那期里谈到了《魔法运动员》、《热浪》和《十二条河》。

Then you can go back and listen to the episode The Big Wet Sprint where Matt talked about Magical Athlete and Hot Streak and 12 Rivers.

是的。

Yeah.

有很多与水相关的竞速游戏，但完全不是那么回事。

There's a whole bunch of racing games to do with water but not at all.

是的。

Yeah.

有点吧。

Kind of.

是的。

Yeah.

有点吧。

Kind of.

我的意思是，Streak 里有个热狗，你还得加芥末，而芥末几乎就是水。

I mean, Streak's got a hot dog in it and you put mustards on that and mustards are almost water.

芥末是一种湿润物。

Mustard's a form of wet.

然后还有《Magic Athlete》里的船长。

And then there's the skipper in Magic Athlete.

是的。

Yep.

他 presumably 在开船。

He is presumably driving a boat.

他不仅仅是湿的形态。

He's more than a form of wet.

船在行驶，他浑身都湿透了。

Boat going He's wet all the way through.

很少有人会这样。

Few people are that.

你要是割他一刀，他流出来的都是水。

You cut him, he bleeds wet.

非常感谢。

Thanks very much.

十分感谢。

Thank you very much.

再见。

Bye.

再见。

Bye.