Silicon Valley Girl: AI, Tech and Career Growth - “6 个月后,我们将开始因 AI 而失去工作”——Alpha School 创始人麦肯齐·普莱斯 封面

“6 个月后,我们将开始因 AI 而失去工作”——Alpha School 创始人麦肯齐·普莱斯

"In 6 Months, We'll Start Losing Jobs to AI" — Alpha School Founder MacKenzie Price

本集简介

MacKenzie Price 创立了 Alpha——一所以人工智能为先的学校,孩子们每天仅用 2 小时学习学术课程,却在各年级均位列全国前 1%,并完全由 AI 导师而非传统教师进行教学。 她还有一个预测:在未来 6 个月内,我们的朋友、同事,甚至我们自己,都将开始因 AI 而失去工作。正因如此,她对此事如此紧迫。我们成长中的学校是为培养工厂工人而建的,而我们的孩子即将步入的世界则截然不同。 起初我对这场对话持怀疑态度。我在俄罗斯接受教育,我的父母和祖父母也经历了同样的体系,我内心仍有一部分认为那才是行之有效的版本。但 MacKenzie 的成果令人无法反驳——原本处于第 25 百分位的孩子实现指数级增长,第 95 百分位的孩子仍获得 80%–90% 的提升。这并非因为技术具有魔法,而是因为这是第一次,每个孩子都能获得曾经需要私人教师才能提供的“一对一精通式学习”。 在本期节目中,MacKenzie 详细解析了该模式如何运作、为何 Alpha 不在教室使用聊天机器人、当学术学习仅占 2 小时时孩子们其余时间做什么、她提到的一位有望在《自然》杂志发表成果的青少年学生、一位靠卖饼干赚取 1600 美元的 6 岁儿童,以及如果你无法支付 4 万至 7.5 万美元的学费,如何在家庭中复制 Alpha 的部分模式。 MacKenzie 是 Alpha 学校和"2 小时学习”系统的联合创始人。她是极少数敢于直言大多数学校仍在假装未发生之事的教育工作者之一。 主题:AI 教育、学校未来、AI 导师、精通式学习、在家上学、AI 时代的育儿、职业替代、Alpha 学校、2 小时学习、硅谷女孩 链接: 📩 关注我的通讯:⁠https://siliconvalleygirl.beehiiv.com/subscribe?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=futureproof-sub&utm_content=MacKenziePrice 🔗 我的 Instagram:⁠https://www.instagram.com/siliconvalleygirl/ ⁠ 📌 我的公司与产品:⁠https://Marinamogilko.co⁠

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在未来六个月里,我们会开始看到朋友、同事,甚至自己,因为人工智能而失去工作。

We're gonna start seeing in the next six months our friends and people that we work with or maybe even ourselves losing jobs to AI.

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我们必须为孩子们做好准备,让他们面对一个全新的现实。

We have to prepare our kids for a different reality.

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这是麦肯齐·普赖斯,美国第一所人工智能学校的创始人,孩子们每天只花两小时学习学术内容。

This is MacKenzie Price, founder of America's first AI powered school where kids do academics two hours

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却能在全美范围内考进前1%。

a day and test in the top 1% nationally.

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我们利用技术为孩子们提供更好的学习体验。

We're using technology to provide a better learning experience for kids.

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结果,我们的学生表现得非常出色。

And as a result, our classes are crushing it.

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而且你们没有老师。

And you don't have teachers.

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对吧?

Right?

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他们不负责传授学术知识。

They are not in charge of delivering academic content.

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这部分由我们的AI导师来完成。

Our AI tutor is doing that.

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教育正在发生变化,而我们大多数人是为一个已经不复存在的世界做准备的。

Education is changing, and most of us were prepared for a world that no longer exists.

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工业时代的教育模式非常擅长培养懂得遵守规则、听话且顺从的工厂工人。

The industrial revolution model of education did a great job of raising factory workers who knew how to follow rules and be obedient and compliant.

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我觉得这个世界

I think the world's

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即将迎来

in for

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一次非常深刻的警醒。

a pretty big wake up call.

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五到十年,甚至二十年后,这个世界会变成什么样呢?

What's this world gonna look like in five, ten, twenty years?

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这些答案我未必全知道,但我清楚一点的是。

I don't know a lot of those answers, but here's what I do know.

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教育是我生活的重心,因为我做的是教育相关生意。

Education is what I breathe because I have a business in education.

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我有一个频道,专门教人说得更像美国人,连语调都要练到位。

I have a whole channel where I help people speak English more like Americans and accent everything.

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我十年前从俄罗斯来这儿,当年在俄罗斯上学,那套体系跟我在美国看到的孩子们经历的完全不一样。

And I came here from Russia ten years ago and so went to school in Russia, which is like a completely different system compared to what my kids are doing here in The US.

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特别强调学术成绩。

Strong focus in academics.

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没人关心你的心情如何。

Nobody cares about your feelings.

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但与此同时,我们也看到很多来自那种体系的人。

But at the same time, we see a lot of people who come from that system.

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比如中国,他们的体系也差不多。

Well, like in China, they have similar system.

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然后他们在数学奥林匹克竞赛中包揽所有冠军,对吧。

And then they win all of the World Olympiads, right, in mats.

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或者我们看到来自后苏联国家的人创办了了不起的公司。

Or we see people who came from post Soviet countries start amazing companies.

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是的。

Yeah.

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如果你看看顶尖的研究人员,很多都是东欧的。

So if you look at top researchers, right, a lot of them are Eastern European.

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你觉得这种教育体系还能继续下去吗?在今天的世界还有用吗?

Do you think that system can still survive, or is it useful in today's world?

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我觉得你描述的那种学校经历,是一个标准特别高、但支持相对较少的环境。

I think that what you're describing that your school experience was was an environment with really high standards, but probably the support was a little more minimal.

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就是那种自上而下的模式——你照着吩咐做就行。

It was sort of just this, you know, top down you will do as instructed.

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对。

Yeah.

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我觉得在美国,我们现在越来越强调要支持孩子、体贴孩子,要根据他们的实际情况来引导,但整个系统其实做不到这一点。

And I think that what's happened in The United States is that we've gotten much more into like, let's be supportive, let's be thoughtful, let's meet kids a little bit where they're at, but the system can't actually do that.

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所以结果就是,标准越来越低了。

So as a result, standards have gone down.

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我们在Alpha所做的,我认为关键在于,如果能营造一个既有高标准,又提供充分支持、指导和情感联结的环境,而高标准恰恰是孩子幸福感的重要组成部分,真正的动力就来自这里。

And what we've done at Alpha and what I think is really the key is that if you can build an environment where there are high standards, and we believe high standards are key to kids' happiness along with high support and mentorship and connection, And that's where you really see true motivation lies.

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对。

Yeah.

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我喜欢你把这两种体系结合起来的方式,我觉得两者都应该存在。

I I like how you mixing these two systems, and I think both should exist.

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但当我回想起自己的求学经历时,我记得有段时间,我坐在教室里,特别讨厌那门课,也不喜欢那个老师。

But, also, when I think about my education, I remember times when I was sitting in a class absolutely hating the subject, not liking the teacher.

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可现在回头看,那段经历其实教会了我韧性。

But now when I think back about that experience, I think it actually taught me resistance.

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就是说,好吧。

Like, okay.

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我能应付得了。

I can handle this.

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这情况确实不容易。

It's a tough situation.

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我不喜欢待在这儿,但我能在心里跟自己对话。

I don't like being here, but I can also talk to myself internally.

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是的。

Yeah.

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我能挺过这一关。

And I can overcome this.

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有很多事情摆在那儿,

There's a bunch

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但我觉得培养韧性特别重要。

of things there, but I think that, you know, the importance of building resilience is is critical.

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我觉得还有许多其他方式可以教孩子培养韧性、毅力,以及如何与难相处的人共事。

What I think is there are so many other ways that you can teach resilience and grit and how to work with difficult people.

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你知道,很多人会说,有时候会遇到一个糟糕的老师,或者一个很难相处的老师。

You know, that a lot of times people will say, well, sometimes you have that bad teacher or that teacher that's hard to get along with.

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你得学会适应这种情况。

You have to get used to that.

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我们还有很多别的办法,既能保证孩子保持专注,又不会觉得无聊。

There's so many other ways that we can do this while making sure kids are able to stay engaged and not be bored.

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我觉得在美国,很多教室里也在发生同样的事。

And I also think that, you know, in The US, that's happening in a lot of classrooms too.

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如果你去看看印度的乡村学校,或者康涅狄格州的一所高端私立寄宿学校,你会发现情况都一样。

I think if you look at, you know, a a rural school in India or you go to a high end private boarding school in Connecticut, you're going to see the same thing.

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你会看到老师站在讲台上,用固定的时间进度,让所有学生按同一个节奏学习,可实际上孩子们的理解水平差别很大。

You're gonna see a teacher in front of a classroom teaching kids in a time based system all at the same pace when those kids are at wildly different levels.

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是的。

Yeah.

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有些孩子,老师还没开口讲一个概念,他们就已经懂了。

You know, there are kids who are sitting there before the teachers even opened her mouth to explain a concept.

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他们已经懂了,对这个概念心知肚明。

They understand and they know that concept.

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所以结果就是,唉,无聊死了。

So as a result, it's like, okay.

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我好无聊。

I'm bored.

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等到老师讲完这个概念时,还有些孩子完全听不懂。

And at the end of that explanation of the concept, there are kids who it's like totally over their head.

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他们根本不知道在讲什么。

They have no idea what's going on.

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不管哪种情况,老师都只能继续往下讲。

In either case, the teacher just has to continue moving forward.

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这恰恰说明,这套模式根本行不通。

That's a real testament to the fact that the model is broken.

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那种一刀切的、按固定进度推进的教学方式。

The one size fits all time based system.

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这行不通。

It doesn't work.

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在俄罗斯也不行。

And it doesn't work in Russia.

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在美国也一样行不通。

It doesn't work in The United States.

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结果就是,一大群孩子只是应付了事,根本不参与,甚至直接抗拒。

And what it's doing is it's leading to a large group of kids who are just sort of going through the motions or not participating at all and just refusing.

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你一直在推行的

And you've been running

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是一个每天两小时的学术体系。

the system, which is a two hour per day academic system.

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而且你用标准化考试成绩来衡量成败,

And you measure your success by standardized test scores.

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对吧?

Correct?

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我们确实如此。

We do.

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据我所见,有些孩子的表现还超过了预期。

And as far I've seen some stats that some kids exceed.

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你能跟我聊聊中位数水平的情况吗?

Like, can you talk to me about, like, median outcome?

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对。

Yeah.

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我们的学校是全天制的。

So our schools are full day schools.

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孩子们早上八点半到校,下午三点三十分离校。

Kids get dropped off at 08:30 in the morning and picked up at 03:30.

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但我们在校期间的安排跟那很不一样。

But what we do during that school day is very different.

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我们每天只花两个小时做学术学习。

We are only spending two hours doing the academic part of our day.

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在传统课堂里,你我小时候每节课上四十五分钟,可能只有一门选修课,再挤出点时间吃午饭。而我们的学生不一样,他们每天只用二十五分钟专注学习数学、阅读、语言、科学和历史这些核心科目。时间短,但效率高,因为每个孩子都能得到量身定制的学习,完全按照他们的水平和节奏来。

So when you think about the traditional classroom that you and I each grew up in where you're spending forty five minutes in every every class and maybe you get one elective and a little bit of lunch, Instead, our students are just doing these twenty five minute focused sessions of math and reading and language and science and history, those types of core academics that kids are learning in a traditional school but in so much shorter time because they're getting personalized learning that meets them at their level and their pace.

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结果就是,我们的学生成绩非常出色。

And as a result, our classes are crushing it.

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所有年级、所有科目都排在前1%。

So top 1% across all grades and all subjects.

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最让我自豪的是,我们招生从不只挑那些本来就处在前5%的学生。

And one of the things that's really cool about this that I'm very proud of is we're not choosing students for our school just based on the kids who already come to us at ninety fifth percentile.

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我们当然能让原本就顶尖的学生继续进步,增长率达到80%到90%;但更重要的是,那些刚来时只在25%水平的孩子,我们也能让他们实现学习上的飞跃。

We can take those kids that are ninety fifth percentile, and we can have growth rates in the eighties and nineties, but we can also take kids who show up to us in the twenty fifth percentile and give them exponential increases in their learning.

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这正是人工智能真正了不起的地方——它终于让每个孩子都能享受到一对一、以掌握为核心的辅导体验。研究人员早就知道,这种模式能让学生学得快两倍、五倍,甚至十倍。

And it's really what's so awesome about leveraging artificial intelligence to finally allow kids to have that one to one mastery based tutoring experience that for years researchers have known results in kids learning two, five, 10 times faster.

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但在现在的教育体系里,这根本做不到。

It just hasn't been possible in our current system.

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你能具体说说,各个年级都是怎么排在前1%的吗?

So can you read the top 1% across every grade?

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每个年级,每门科目。

Every grade, every subject.

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是的。

Yeah.

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我们的班级都名列前茅。

Our classes are in.

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这可不是随便说说的。

And that's No.

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这恰恰说明了教育真正需要的是什么。

It's it's I think it's so much an example of what's needed in education.

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更重要的是,它表明了当你能帮学生弄清楚——你知道什么、不知道什么——的时候,这正是我们标准化测试能提供的作用。

But more than that, it just points to when you can help a student find, you know, here's what you know, here's what you don't know, which is part of what our standardized assessments are able to do.

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这些测试本质上是反馈工具,能指出比如这名六年级学生,他的数学基础在五年级、四年级甚至三年级就存在漏洞。

They're they're really just feedback tools for, okay, this is what maybe this sixth grade student might be having holes in their math knowledge down in fifth and fourth and third grade.

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然后你就会回去补

And you go back and

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你可以回去补上这些漏洞,真正实现掌握式学习。

And you can go back and fill holes and really get that mastery learning.

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我觉得数学特别适合用来说明这一点,因为我以前上数学课的时候,老觉得自己一头雾水。

And, you know, I think math is a great example to talk about with this because, you know, I remember sitting through math class being like, I am so confused.

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根本不知道自己在干嘛。

I don't know what I'm doing.

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我当时学得吃力,很可能是因为有些基础概念没搞明白。

Well, probably the reason I was struggling is because there were some foundational concepts that I didn't fully understand.

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随着学习的内容越来越复杂,如果基础不牢,就会越来越难。

And so as you get more and more sophisticated in the material you're learning, it gets harder if you don't have that foundational concept.

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对吧?

Right?

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学代数的时候,要是连乘法口诀都没背熟,确实会更吃力。

Learning algebra, if you don't have your multiplication tables memorized Yeah.

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要是背熟了,就没那么难了。

Is is harder than if if you do.

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这正是这种真正以掌握为导向的系统最棒的地方——孩子们能按照适合自己的节奏学习。

And that's what's really cool about this this true ability to finally have a mastery based system where kids are learning at the pace that's right for them.

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明白了。

Okay.

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而且这里没有老师。

And so and you don't have teachers.

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对吧?

Right?

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但说实话,总有人提到这一点,挺有意思的。

It's just You know, it's so funny that that comes up very often.

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大家总以为我们是个没有老师的学校。

We're always that school with no teachers.

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但事实是这样的。

And here's the thing.

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我们教室里的成年人,个个都特别出色。

We have the most unbelievably incredible adults in our classes.

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我们的师生比例大概是1比15,年纪小的孩子甚至能达到1比5。

Our ratios are like one to 15, you know, one to five for for younger students.

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但我们不把工作人员叫做老师。

But we don't call our staff teachers.

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我们称他们为引导者。

We call them guides.

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之所以不叫老师,是因为他们并不负责讲授课程内容或直接教学。

And the reason we don't call them teachers is because they are not in charge of delivering academic content or teaching that material.

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这些工作是由我们的AI导师完成的。

Our AI tutor is doing that.

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他们的真正角色是陪伴、支持和引导学生走好学习的每一步。

But instead, what they are doing is they are truly coaching and supporting and guiding students on their learning journey.

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他们的重点在于激励和情感支持,同时还要统筹全天的活动,帮助孩子们培养生活技能,成长为自主学习者。

And so their focus is motivational, emotional support, and they're also the ones who are really running the whole school day around life skills development and building out the ability for kids to become self driven learners.

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你大概也接触过不少教育科技领域的人,他们总是盯着技术看。

And, you know, you probably talk to a lot of people in the EdTech world and see technology.

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你知道吗,教育科技领域里躺着一堆失败的平台。

You know, there is a huge graveyard of failed EdTech platforms.

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没错。

Yeah.

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原因就在这儿。

Here's the reason.

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我们的教育科技产品并不比其他平台更出色。

Our EdTech is not better than some other ed tech platform.

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我们能成功,是因为我们的引导员能抓住关键——那占到打造优秀学习者90%的因素:学习动力。

Our reason for success is because of what our guides are able to do, which is focus on what is 90% of creating a great learner, their motivation.

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动力。

Motivation.

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百分百。

100%.

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如果你没动力,孩子坐在那儿转椅子,连屏幕都不看,我们怎么帮他们学进去?

That's If you're not motivated, it's like if if the kid's spinning in his chair and not even looking at the material, how are we gonna help them learn?

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关键就在于抓住这个动力的部分。

And that's that's the key is focusing on that motivation part.

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有意思的是,我们经常看到一些文章说,Alpha只适合那些本来就很有动力的孩子。

And it's funny because we'll often see, you know, I'll read articles or something that'll say, well, Alpha only works for, like, motivated kids.

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其实不是这样的。

And it's like, no.

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根本不是。

No.

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完全不是。

No.

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我们学校的宗旨恰恰是,导师有足够的时间去发现每个孩子真正的动力来源,是什么能让他兴奋起来。

That's the whole point of our school is that our guides have the time to focus on figuring out what motivates this kid, what gets him excited.

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还有个特别棒的地方,Marina。

And here's the really cool part, Marina.

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当孩子有了动力,开始主动学习,并且遇到适合他水平和节奏的支持时,他自然就会建立起能力。

When a child is motivated and starts doing the work and they're met with the same level, you know, and pace that's right for them, they they develop competence.

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而这种能力会逐渐变成自信。

And then that competence turns into a confidence.

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他们开始觉得自己其实是有本事的。

They start seeing themselves as like, I'm capable.

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我能行,我能把学业搞定。

I can, like, I can go crush my academics.

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这些我都能学会。

I can learn that.

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我觉得最棒的就是看到孩子们彻底改变对自己的看法,明白自己其实能做到更多。

And I think that's one of the coolest things, to watch kids really change how they feel about themselves and what they're capable of.

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这正是关键的不同之处。

And that's the key difference.

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我回想起我上学那会儿,我最好的朋友哪一门课都学不好。

I'm thinking back about my school system, and my best friend was not doing well in any subject.

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所以老师总是跟他说:你就是个失败者。

So the teachers would always tell him, you're like a failure.

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当你一直被这样对待,你根本连试都不想试了。

And I feel like when you live with that, you're you don't even wanna wanna try.

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是的。

Yeah.

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所以每当我想到那些在这样的系统里的孩子,他们才是真正受苦的那群人。

So whenever I think about those kids in those systems, they are the ones really struggling.

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因为如果你能适应这个系统,成绩自然就好,感觉也棒,慢慢就建立起自信了。

Because if you're you if you like, I mean, you, like, try and navigate the system, then you get all the good grades and you feel great and you develop that confidence.

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是的。

Yeah.

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那那些无法适应系统的孩子呢?

What are the kids who can't navigate the system?

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顺便说一句,现在大多数孩子都是这样。

And that, by the way, is the majority of kids nowadays.

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是的。

Yeah.

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而且你们会聘请那些前运动员,他们特别擅长激励人,对吧?

And you hire ex sports people, right, who are really good at motivating.

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是的。

Yeah.

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所以我们真正看重的是,来我们学校工作的人,必须在激励学生方面达到世界级水平。

So what we really look for is we want the people who come work in our schools to be world class at motivation.

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大约一半的导师有传统教学背景,他们一旦获得真正发挥积极影响的空间,就会变得特别兴奋——这正是他们当初选择当老师的原因。

And about 50% of our guides come from a traditional teaching background, and they get so excited when they finally have been given the the room to really make that positive impact that they got in teaching for.

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但还有另一批人,他们可能根本不想做传统意义上的老师,却非常热爱与年轻人建立联系、激发他们的动力。

But this whole other population of people are also coming in to work as guides that probably wouldn't wanna be traditional teachers, but they love the idea of connecting and motivating young people.

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所以我们招了很多前教练、前运动员,还有来自商界等各种背景的人,他们把各自的经验和专长带进课堂,专注在激励这一块。

And so we get a lot of people who were former coaches, former athletes, people who were in the business world, all kinds of stuff that they're bringing their kind of talents, their experience into the classroom and focusing on that that motivation piece.

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看到这类人,真的特别有意思,而且我们在这方面取得了惊人的成功,吸引力也特别强。跟传统教育界不同——那边老师大批离职,人才难招——我们却能吸引到非常优秀的人才。

And it is so much fun to see, you know, that type of person where we have had really incredible success with with just so much interest because unlike in the traditional teaching world where teachers are leaving the field in droves and it's hard to attract good talent, We're finding really good talent.

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其中一个原因是我们给的薪酬很高。我觉得,每天在教室里和孩子们打交道的人,都是英雄,理应得到丰厚的回报。

Part of it is we pay them really well because I think anybody who is working in a classroom every day with kids, they're a hero, and they should be well compensated.

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我们让他们的工作变得轻松多了,能真正产生影响。

And we've just made their jobs a lot easier to really provide that that impact.

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我明白他们有多棒、多会激励人,但我也记得

I get how they're great and motivating, but I also remember

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上学的时候,有个代数概念我怎么都搞不懂。

when at school, like, there is a concept in algebra that I don't understand.

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有时候我会看书、用科技工具,可还是不明白。

And sometimes I would use, like, books, technology, and I still don't understand.

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如果遇到特别难的内容,而那位前教练也没学过这门课,该怎么办?

What happens in that situation where it's something really complicated and someone whose ex coach, like, didn't really take that subject?

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当孩子需要有人面对面解释的时候,这种情况怎么处理?

What happens in that situation when a kid needs an explanation from a human?

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这种情况其实有几种应对方式。

So there's a couple of things that can happen there.

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比如说,有个学生在学某个数学概念时卡住了。

Let's say a student is working through a math concept and they are struggling to understand that.

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首先,他们有一系列资源,导师会引导他们逐一使用。

First of all, they have a variety of resources that their guide will be coaching them through.

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比如,你有没有看过别的视频讲解?

Like, hey, did you check a different video explanation?

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或者读过别的材料?

Or did you read this other thing?

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或者注意过这个部分,其实能帮你理解?

Or did you see, you know, this part that you can learn?

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系统还能明白,其实问题可能出在哪儿。

It also is able to understand, you know what?

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学生卡在这个概念上,可能是因为前面某个知识点没掌握好,得回头再补一补。

Maybe the reason the student is having trouble with this particular concept is because we need to go back and revisit a concept from earlier just to help you again understand this.

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在学这个难点之前,咱们先回头温习一下相关的内容。

Let's go back and refresh your your understanding of something else as you're going into this difficult material.

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但假如学生还是没搞懂呢?

But let's say a student still is struggling with that.

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然后,他们还可以安排一次学术辅导通话。

Then what they have the ability to do is schedule basically an academic coaching call.

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我们有一支学习科学团队和学术教练,可以介入提供支持。

So we have a learning science team and academic coaches who are able to go in.

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这一点特别棒的是,在这个过程中,我们的教练和AI系统能准确识别学生在哪个环节卡住了。

And one of the things that's great about that is during this experience, our our coaches and our AI system are able to understand where is this student getting tripped up in the lesson.

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因为如果一个学生在这里遇到困难,那随着用户规模扩大到数百万孩子,很可能还有很多人也会在同样的地方绊倒。

Because if this one student is getting tripped up here, there's a chance that, especially as we scale to millions of kids, that there'll be lots of other kids that could get tripped up.

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这帮助我们改进教学内容的质量——无论是我们的技术设计,还是学生普遍遇到的难点。

And so it helps us improve the quality of, you know, the the teaching concept that's happening both in our technology and where students are struggling.

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我觉得有些人很难理解这一点,因为我们从小习惯了那种模式:总得有个老师或家长坐下来,跟你一对一讲解、一起攻克难题。

And I think one of the things that sometimes people have a really hard time understanding because we're so used to the way we all grew up, which is at some point, you have to have a teacher sit down and talk with you and work with you or a parent, you know, more often working through the subject.

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你是不是觉得非得有这么一次学术对话才行?

Do you have an academic conversation?

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你总觉得必须得这样。

You you think you have to do that.

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但我也回过头想,既然我们的数据表明孩子们真的掌握了知识,那说明这套方法是有效的。

But then I also go back to, well, it seems like it's working because our results are showing that our kids are, you know, learning the mastery.

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他们必须彻底掌握一个概念后,才能继续往下学,而结果也证明了这一点。

They don't move ahead until they've mastered the concepts, and the results are showing that it does.

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我还想起自己以前上课时,经常一头雾水的情况。

And I think the other thing that happens is just I I go back and remember how often when I was confused about something, I'm sitting in class.

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那时候可没人站在旁边说,‘我来帮你解决这个问题’。

It wasn't like I had the teacher standing over me saying, let me help you with this.

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老师得顾着全班,根本忙不过来。

Because the teacher's busy trying to teach everybody.

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所以你只能指望去办公室找老师,或者更常见的是,去问朋友或者父母。

So maybe you get to go into office hours or more often you're asking, you know, a friend or a parent Yeah.

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或者请个家教。

For Or a tutor.

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没错。

Yeah.

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我的意思是,家庭在课外辅导和俄式数学补习上花的钱,简直太离谱了。

I mean, the amount of money that families spend on their private tutoring and their Russian math after school and all of those types of things is just insane.

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对啊。

Yeah.

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而且说实话,很多人对传统课堂的真实情况有一种理想化的错觉,那根本不是事实。

And, you know, and that's something so I think sometimes what happens is people have this romanticized, what I think of as mismemory of what's actually happening in traditional classrooms.

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我们当然希望每节英语课都像苏格拉底式讨论那样,孩子们全神贯注,深深爱上莎士比亚。

And as much as we would love to believe that every English class is this Socratic discussion where all the kids are super engaged and they've fallen in love with Shakespeare.

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但现实根本不是这样。

That's not really what's going on on there.

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所以我们现在看到的是,通过技术手段,我们为每个孩子提供了更有效的学习体验,无论他们处在什么水平,都能取得进步。

And so what we're seeing instead is, like, we're using technology to provide a better learning experience for kids that is getting results, again, for for every kid wherever they're at.

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更让人兴奋的是,这种改变让孩子们一天中的其他时间变得完全不同了——这时候,人与人之间的互动和真实体验才真正迸发出活力。

And then where it gets even more exciting is is what that really enables the rest of the day to be, which is where I think the human element and the human experience are just, like, on fire.

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有意思。

Interesting.

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明白了。

Okay.

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我们刚才聊了很多关于动力的问题。

We talked a lot about motivation.

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我小时候还担心过一件事,就是孩子们的动力来源有时候特别奇怪。

Another concern with motivation that I have from my childhood is that kids get motivated by weird things.

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我听过一个挺有意思的故事,说有个女孩,教练问她是什么在推动她,她回答:没什么。

Like, I I heard this story, which is a cool story of a girl who was when the coach asked her what she was motivated by, and she said nothing.

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然后教练又问她:你一个人在家的时候都干点啥?

And then he asked, what do you do when you're alone at home?

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她说:我刷抖音,脑子里想男生。

She's like, I'm scrolling through TikTok, and I think about boys.

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想男生。

Think about boys.

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这简直就是百分之八十的十六岁女生会给出的标准答案。

That's like a typical eighty percent 16 year old female answer.

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对吧?

Right?

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确实如此。

It is.

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当我跟父母说起这种情况时,我的兴趣其实不一样。

And when I told someone like this to my parent well, my my interest was different.

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我跟他们说,我特别喜欢英语,以后想当俄语到英语的翻译。

I told them, I love English, so I'm gonna become a translator from Russian into English.

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我父母说,听起来不错,但你得学数学。

My parents told me, sounds amazing, but you're gonna do math.

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我真的很庆幸他们没顺着我的兴趣来,因为一个16岁的孩子,怎么靠自己看到的东西去理解这个世界呢?

And I'm so glad they did because what is I don't like, how does a 16 year old understand the world, like, from what they see around themselves?

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但那些引导孩子的成年人,经历完全不同。

But adults who are guiding them have a different experience.

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我真的很感谢父母没有一味追随我的热情。

I'm rich actually glad that my parents didn't follow my passion.

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他们说,你可以把别的东西当作第二专业,我后来确实这么做了。

They're like, you can do whatever you want as a second degree, which I did eventually.

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但你知道吗?

But you know what?

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我学了数学和经济学,现在特别庆幸自己选了这条路,因为这些知识真的帮我在创业时打下了基础。

I studied mathematics and economics, and I'm really happy I did because that really helped me build a business.

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因为你学到了所有核心概念。

Because you learn all the concepts.

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你学会了怎么去分析特别复杂的问题。

You learn how to think through very complicated problems.

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虽然上课时有一半内容我根本听不懂,但这些经历确实让我更懂怎么在这个世界里应对。

And yes, I didn't understand 50% of what was going on in the class, but it actually helped me navigate that world.

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所以我就在想,要是我孩子,比如说十二岁的时候跑来跟我说,他想当一名‘小狗瑜伽老师’,那我该怎么办?

So I'm like thinking, what if my child, I don't know, 12 year old says, oh, I'm like, my my daughter tells me she wants to be a puppy yoga teacher.

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对。

Yeah.

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我就想,这算什么工作啊?

I'm like, what kind of job is that?

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有时候不顺着孩子的兴趣,反而提醒他们一句:嘿,你有没有想过?

Isn't it helpful to sometimes not follow the passion of a child and tell them like, hey, you know what?

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我觉得你的思路默认了非此即彼。

So I think that what your line of thinking is assuming it's gotta be either this or that.

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但在我们看来,其实两者可以兼得。

And in our opinion, we believe that it can be end.

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比如那个学生,她真的说过:说实话,

So, for example, that student who really did say, you know what?

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我大概就是世界上最擅长刷抖音、满脑子想男生的人了。

I guess I'm like the world's best TikTok scroller and am thinking about boys.

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但她是怎么得出这个结论的呢?我们让学生参加一个叫‘168小时’的活动,记录自己一周的时间都花在哪儿了。

And actually, the way that she came to that conclusion is we have our students do a workshop called one hundred and sixty eight hours where they track the amount of time in their week, what they do with it.

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你知道的,你每天睡多久?

You know, how much time are you doing sleeping?

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你每天花多少时间学习?

How much are you studying?

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你平时跟朋友待在一起的时间多吗?

Where are you spending time with friends?

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你有在玩音乐吗?

Are you playing music?

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你平时都做些什么?

What are you doing?

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就是通过这个,她突然意识到:天啊,我好像根本没什么想做的事。

And that's where she had this realization of like, gosh, yeah, I don't I don't like doing anything.

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就只是坐在这儿发呆。

I just kind of sit here.

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我们都该做做这个练习。

We should all do that exercise.

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所以问题就出在这儿。

And so it was there.

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后来她把这段经历告诉了她的导师。

Now her guide when she told her guide that story.

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首先,我很欣赏他们之间有这样的关系,学生能坦诚相待,而不觉得非得编个‘我想治愈癌症’之类的理由。

First of all, I love that they had a relationship where the student felt comfortable enough to be honest and didn't feel like they had to make up a I am interested in curing cancer.

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对吧?

Right?

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她对这件事非常坦率。

She was very honest about that.

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她的导师本来可以说:‘别胡思乱想了。’

Her guide could have said, no, get your head out of the gutter.

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14岁的男孩,现在不值得你花这么多心思。

14 year old boys are not worthy of having a lot of thought around right now.

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你就不该想这些,赶紧远离社交媒体。

Like you shouldn't be doing that and get off social media.

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去专心学数学和经济学吧。

Go focus on math and economics instead.

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她没有那样做。

She didn't do that.

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她也没说:‘嘿,你知道吗?’

And she also didn't say, hey, you know what?

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这挺好的。

That's cool.

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你就放松一下吧。

Just hang out.

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你好好享受你的TikTok体验。

You should enjoy your TikTok experience.

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相反,她说:‘咱们一起来深入看看,是不是真有什么问题。’

Instead, she said, well, let's figure out how we can go in deeper to understand if there's if there's a problem there.

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比如,现在的青少年恋爱到底是什么情况?

Like, what's going on in the teen dating world?

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这样一来,她就能说:‘好吧,我就顺着这个兴趣,看看能不能把它变成一件有意义的事,而不是像别人觉得的那样,只是个无聊又幼稚的女孩子兴趣。’

And so it allowed her to say, okay, I'm gonna take this interest and see if I can create something productive out of what a lot of people would think was just a random kind of superfluous, you know, silly girl's, you know, interest.

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于是她就开始深入研究,发现现在的青少年恋爱环境简直太不健康了。

And and so what she did was she went through and she, you know, proceeded to do research and understand that, boy, the dating world is incredibly unhealthy for teenagers right now.

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她开始钻研什么是健康的恋爱方式。

And she started building out expertise in what does healthy dating habits look like.

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但说真的,这根本不是什么恋爱技巧的问题。

And to be clear, it wasn't even dating habits.

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当时正值疫情,孩子们连怎么跟喜欢的人打个招呼都不会了。

This is coming out of COVID when kids didn't even know how to, like, say hi to someone that you're interested in.

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比如简单地说声你好,做个自我介绍,这些基本的社交动作他们都生疏了。

You know, like, say hello, introduce yourself, any of those things.

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她慢慢积累了一群粉丝,你要知道,做任何产品或播客,如果没有受众,那根本无从谈起。

She built up an audience, which when you think about any product or business that you're gonna do a podcast, if you don't have an audience, you're kind of out out of the water.

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她靠这些建议在抖音上吸引了数百万的观看量。

So she built up an audience, got millions of views on TikTok with her advice.

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后来她还开发了一个AI虚拟形象,能提供恋爱建议,并基于这些经验训练了一个大语言模型。

Then she was able to build an AI avatar that was able to give advice, and she built an LLM that was based on this expertise.

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这让她开始认真做研究,看看她提供的专家建议到底靠不靠谱。

Now that led her down the path of let's actually do some research to understand is the expert expert advice that she's giving, is it good?

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于是她做了一项研究,对比了她的LLM模型Achachi PT、 suburban moms 的建议质量。

And so she ended up doing a research paper where she looked at the quality of advice from her LLM, Achachi PT, and suburban moms.

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说实话,我猜大多数人也会觉得,作为两个女儿的妈妈,我肯定这么想。

And of course, I think most of us would guess, I certainly would as a mother of two girls.

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妈妈给的建议才是最好的。

Well, moms give the best advice.

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真的,一点不假。

We really do.

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但她发现的结果却出人意料——妈妈们的建议居然垫底。

And what she ended up finding out was that moms were actually dead last.

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她的LLM模型评分最高,ChatGPT排在中间。

Her LLM was was top rated and ChatGPT was in the middle.

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当然,你可能会说,嗯,这事儿吧。

Now, again, you go, okay.

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这还挺酷的。

Well, cool.

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我想她确实是写了一篇研究论文。

I guess this is like she wrote a research paper.

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这篇论文现在正处于《自然》期刊的最终审核阶段,而《自然》可是全球顶尖的科学期刊。

Well, that research paper is now in the final stages for approval in Nature, which is the number one scientific journal in the world.

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如果她能顺利通过最后一关,成功发表,她将成为《自然》历史上最年轻的女性作者,也是唯一一位在读高中生作者。

And if she goes through that last hurdle and gets submitted or gets in, she'll be the youngest female ever and the only high school student to ever be published in Nature.

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而这位学生今天就在街对面,参加斯坦福大学的录取学生开放日。

And that same student is actually right down the street today at her admitted student days at Stanford University.

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所以你真的得认真对待

That's And so you really take

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这是一个很漂亮的延伸。

It's a beautiful spin off.

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是的。

Yeah.

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你拿这个东西。

You take this thing.

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往上滚动。

Scrolling to top.

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答案就是,嗯,咱们就当它没问题吧。

Answer is, you know, let's say it's okay.

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我想当一名小狗瑜伽教练。

I wanna do I wanna be a puppy yoga instructor.

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你知道吗?

And you know what?

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其实这个活动特别适合和六岁的孩子一起做,比如这样,咱们来想想。

This is actually a really fun exercise that you can do with your six year old is like, okay, let's think about this.

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如果我们是在创业,会怎么开始?

What if we were building a business?

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我们该怎么做才能把这个事业建起来?

How would we go about building that?

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那我们在哪儿能把它做到十倍的水平呢?

And where can we make it like, you know, 10x?

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实际上,对我们高中生来说,当我们聊到Alpha X项目时,我们管它们叫奥运级项目。

In fact, for our high school students, when we're when we're talking about our Alpha X projects, we call them Olympic level projects.

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我们用‘奥运’这个词,是因为它明确代表了全球顶尖的水准。

And the reason we use the term Olympics is because it's such a clear standard for being the best in the world.

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对吧?

Right?

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如果一个人是奥运选手,你不会想,哦,他18岁能跑成这样已经不错了。

If somebody is an Olympic runner, you don't think, oh, they must be a pretty good runner for being 18 years old.

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他是真真正正的世界第一跑者。

They are literally the best runners in the world.

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所以我们用这种标准,就是不想让我们的孩子只做到‘同龄人里不错’的程度。

And so we we put that kind of classification because we don't want our kids to just be good for their age.

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我们真正希望的是,他们能成为顶尖的、被公认的专业人士。

We truly want them to be, you know, the best and seen as experts in that.

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这种事其实有很多地方都能做。

And there are so many places you can do this.

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我永远都忘不了。

I'll I'll never forget.

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你的孩子正好处在最适合做这个的年纪。

And this is another your kids are a perfect age for this.

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我大女儿有一天回家,说:妈妈,我看到街上有小孩在卖柠檬水。

My oldest daughter came home one day and she said, mom, I saw some kids doing a lemonade stand, you know, down the street.

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我们也开个柠檬水摊吧。

Let's do a lemon lemonade stand.

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我觉得这主意真不错。

I said, that's a great idea.

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咱们 definitely 要搞一个。

We should totally do that.

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我说,不过咱们先好好想想这个计划。

I said, but then let's go through and think about this.

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我们去哪儿搞呢?

Where would we do it?

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她说,嗯,我觉得就在车道顶端吧。

And she's like, well, I guess at the top of the driveway.

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然后我说,咱们好好想想。

And then I said, well, let's think about this.

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咱们数数有多少辆车经过。

Let's count how many cars go by.

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我们住的地方挺安静的,车不多。

Well, we live in a pretty quiet place, so not a lot of cars.

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所以我们开始琢磨,要是真想卖出去,该怎么做?

And so we started thinking, well, if we really want to sell, what would we do?

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那时候她六岁,妹妹四岁,她可积极了。

And she was about six years old when this was happening and her little sister was four and she's jumping into it.

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我们就一起讨论,哪儿人最多呢?

And we walked through this thought exercise where, okay, where do you find a lot of people?

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她说:妈妈,你常去的那个健身地方人挺多的。

And she said, you know, mom, your your exercise place that you go to seems to have a lot of people.

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也许我们可以在那儿做点什么。

Maybe we could do something there.

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我觉得这主意不错。

I'm like, that's a great idea.

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我问:你觉得去健身的人,会想喝点柠檬水之类的东西吗?

I said, but do you think exercise people, do you think they wanna drink like lemonade or something else?

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我们最后得出结论:不会。

And we land on, no.

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他们可能更喜欢椰子水,或者普通的水。

They probably would like coconut water and, you know, waters.

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然后我们想到,他们锻炼完可能需要吃点零食,但得是健康的。

And then we came up with this idea of they might need a snack after they're done exercising, but it's gotta be a healthy snack.

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于是她做出了这些生酮饼干,六岁的时候就给健身房老板打电话,问:我可以去那儿卖吗?

So she ended up creating these paleo cookies and, you know, called the gym owner and and asked at six years old, would it be okay if I came and sold?

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她就这么做了,结果特别成功。

And she did this, and it worked so well.

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而且她的产品真的特别棒。

And, actually, her product was so good.

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后来她开始走进越来越大的健身房和体育赛事。

She ended up getting to go to larger and larger gyms and athletic competitions.

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不过呢,这个故事也有个意想不到的副作用。

Now here's the only problem, the the backfire of this story.

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有一次她去参加一场体育赛事,卖她的生酮饼干、椰子水和饮用水,赚了将近一千六百美元的利润。

She went to an athletic competition where she was selling her paleo cookies and her coconut water and water, and she made about $1,600 in profit.

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问题就出在这儿。

Well, here's my problem.

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六岁的小孩会觉得,我这辈子不用再干活了。

Six year olds like, I'm set for life.

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我再也不用工作了。

I never have to work another day in my life.

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他们根本没意识到,人家付钱是因为他们太可爱了,方方面面都讨人喜欢。

They don't understand that they're getting paid because they're so cute and everything.

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不对。

No.

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不对。

No.

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不对。

No.

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那其实是

It was

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产品确实很好,整个过程也是一次特别棒的锻炼。

a really good product, and it was it was a great exercise.

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但后来我就想,咱们可以这么做。

But then I was like, we should do this.

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每个周末都可以搞一次。

Like, you could do this every weekend.

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她问我:为什么?

She's like, why?

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我就是买了个芭比娃娃,真的。

I I like, I I bought a Barbie doll.

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这钱我还能干嘛呢?

What else am I gonna do with this money?

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这事儿挺有意思的。

Which is funny.

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但我觉得,这些例子说明,你可以从孩子的兴趣出发,想想怎么把它做得更深入。

But I think these are examples where you can take an interest that somebody has and figure out how do you take that further.

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你知道吗?现在有些特别离谱的生意,比如小狗瑜伽、山羊瑜伽,老板们干得还挺不错。

And, you know, I I'll tell you, there's some crazy puppy yoga and goat yoga businesses that business owners are probably doing pretty well at.

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所以我们有时候太低估孩子的能力了,其实我们需要换个角度看问题。

And so I think sometimes we underrate what kids could be capable of and what we need to do is reframe.

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孩子对某件事产生了兴趣。

There's some interest that a kid has.

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那我们该怎么利用这一点呢?

How do we take that?

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电子游戏就是另一个例子。

Video games is another example.

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很多父母都在说,真希望孩子能离开游戏机。

I mean, there are so many moms and dads out there going, I wish I could get my kid off the game console.

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他们就只想打游戏。

All they wanna do is play video games.

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我们学校有些男孩甚至直接说,要是能拿工资整天打游戏,那就是我最想做的事了。

And we we see boys come into our school who are literally will say, if you could just pay me to play video games for my whole life, that's all I'd wanna do.

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这简直是世界上最棒的工作。

It'd be the best job in the world.

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但当你开始想,其实呢?

And then when you start saying, you know what?

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我们可以教你怎么写代码来制作游戏。

We could, like, teach you to vibe code a video game.

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然后你可以办个活动,当个解说员,参与这些事情。

And then maybe you could, like, host an event and you could be the shout caster and, you know, work on these things.

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突然间,孩子们对正在做的事产生了兴趣,开始意识到:天哪。

And suddenly these kids get excited about something that they're doing and they start realizing like, oh my gosh.

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太好了。

Great.

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我们有个学生,以前就是那种天天说想一辈子打游戏的孩子。

We have a student who, you know, was absolutely that boy who would say I would play video games every day for the rest of my life.

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现在他却说,我根本没时间打游戏了,忙着创业,做这些事呢。

And now he's like, I'm too busy to play video games because I'm out building this business, you know, and doing these things.

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如果你能激发孩子们去

And, you know, if you can inspire kids to

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他们会愿意去挑战困难的事。

It's gonna go try something hard.

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这正是我看到的。

That's what I'm seeing.

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对吧?

Right?

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别一上来就刷视频、打游戏,而是要深入幕后,成为内容的创造者。

Not just go straight into this like scrolling, playing the game, but go behind the scenes and become the creator behind your.

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你具体是做什么的?

What is it you do?

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我觉得这特别重要,尤其是在当今社会,人们很容易就沦为消费者。

And really, that's what what I think is another thing that is so important to teach young people, especially in our society today, where being consumer is so easy to fall into.

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你可以刷抖音。

It's like, okay, I can just I can scroll TikTok.

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你可以打游戏。

I can play video games.

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你可以闲逛看YouTube。

I can just hang out and watch YouTube.

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我们真正该做的是培养创造者和贡献者。

What we need to do is instead create creators and contributors.

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你该怎么走出去,成为一个创造者呢?

How can you go out and be someone who builds?

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你知道吗?

And you know what?

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人其实天生就想创造东西。

People naturally, they want to be builders.

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是的。

Yeah.

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只是他们往往没得到工具、时间,或者指导。

They just often aren't given the tools, the time, or the mentorship.

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还有信心。

The confidence

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你提到的那些。

that you mentioned.

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去做吧。

Do that.

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而且,你知道的,再说一次,我不是要过分批评传统学校,但孩子们每天去学校,心里想的是,好吧。

And, you know, again, not to bag on traditional school too much, but, you know, kids go to school every day and they say, okay.

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我就坐在这把椅子上,完全得听从老师安排的课程,而不是说,嘿。

I'm gonna sit in this chair, and I'm completely beholden to what the teacher is going to be giving out for curriculum instead of saying, hey.

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我知道我得学这些内容,我可以继续前进,而且只要我学得会,就能以最快的速度掌握。

I I know I've gotta learn this material and I can go forward and I can go as quickly as as I'm capable of doing well.

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但他们就坐在那儿,像这样。

And they're sitting here just like, this.

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或者这么说吧,比如他们在课上做某个项目。

Or let's say, you know, they're working on this, you know, project in a class.

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一旦课程结束,大家就觉得项目也结束了。

As soon as that class is over, it's like project's done.

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去年春天,也就是2025年5月左右,我们不少学生正在向一家风投公司路演,为他们的创业项目争取融资。

And last spring and the 2025, it was about May, a bunch of our students were doing a pitch for a VC firm, you know, for funding for their businesses.

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其中一位投资人问了一个问题:那暑假学校放假后,你们打算怎么办?

One of the questions that one of the VCs asked was, so what's gonna happen this summer when school gets out?

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孩子们一脸困惑地问:‘你这话是什么意思?’

And the kids look at them like, what do you mean what's gonna happen?

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我可不会停下来。

I I keep going.

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我还有事要做。

I got work to do.

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去年春天,我们的高中生主动来找我们,问能不能让学校暑假也开着。

And in fact, our high school students came to us last spring and said, can we please keep our high school open for the summer?

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他们根本没有那种‘我拿了A,任务就结束了’的想法。

Because they didn't have this attitude of, well, my business is done because I got the A in the class and so it's over.

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他们觉得:我还有事要做,为什么不在朋友和同学身边,继续得到导师们的指导和支持呢?

They're like, I got work to do, and why would I not wanna be surrounded by my friends and classmates and getting the mentorship and and support that our guides are able to provide while they're going forward with this?

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这就营造出一种特别棒的氛围,充满干劲,也让人兴奋。

And it just creates this, like, amazing energy and environment where, it's an ambitious and it's exciting.

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同时也很有支持性和协作性,因为每个孩子都在做不同的事。

And it's also supportive and collaborative because every kid is working on something different.

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可不是只有一个人能当校队网球队长,你得争才行。

It's not like there's only one spot at the varsity tennis captain, you know, and you gotta you you get that.

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或者比赛里只能有一个冠军机器人团队。

Or, you know, you can only have the one winning robotics team at the competition.

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孩子们来自各种背景,但大家都聚在一起,互相支持。

We've got kids doing things from such varied backgrounds, and they're all there kinda saying, like, let's support each other.

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互相帮忙。

Let's help.

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我们发现,当孩子处在这样的环境里,被鼓励去追求更有意义的目标,又有支持相伴时,他们会特别有干劲,这个地方也特别让人愿意待。

And we really find that that when you put kids in that environment and call them to something greater with that support, they they get just psyched, and it's a fun place to hang out.

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是的。

Yeah.

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这听起来太棒了。

That that sounds incredible.

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听你讲这个故事,我一直在想,关键根本不是天赋。

Hearing that story, the thing I keep coming back to is that it wasn't talent.

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是她周围的环境造就了她,这让我想到了一件很简单的事。

It was the system around her, and it made me think about something very simple.

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大多数人用Claude就像用搜索引擎。

Most people use Claude like a search engine.

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他们打一个问题进去。

They type in a question.

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得到一个答案,但多半不满意,然后就关掉了标签页。

They get an answer, most times they're not really satisfied with it, and they close the tab.

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我以前也是这样,持续了好几个月。后来我看到有人说AI改变了他们的生活,我就想,那我试试看。结果花了一个下午好好设置了一下,上传了几份关于我思考方式和工作习惯的文件,一切都变了。

I did the same thing for months, and I was looking at people who were saying AI is changing their life, and I'm like Then I spent one afternoon setting it up properly, uploaded a few files about how I think and how I work, and it completely changed.

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我把整个过程一步步写了下来。

I wrote the whole process up, step by step.

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想了解的话,可以订阅我的通讯《未来保障》。

You get it when you subscribe to my newsletter Future Proof.

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免费的,链接在简介里。

It's free, the link is in the description.

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咱们来聊聊屏幕使用时间吧,很多家长都挺关心这个问题的。

Let's talk about screen time, something that a lot of parents are concerned with.

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瑞典还做过一个相关的实验。

And also Sweden did this experiment.

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不知道你有没有听说过这事。

I don't know if you know about this.

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他们干脆把课本全取消了。

They abandoned books.

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改用iPad,结果孩子的识字能力反而下降了。

They introduced iPads, and then literacy went down.

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最后只好禁止使用iPad,重新把课本拿回来。

So they had to ban iPads and reintroduce the books.

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你们学校还用课本吗?还是四岁孩子也全用iPad?

Do you have books in your school, or is it just iPad even for four year olds?

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每天屏幕时间有两小时吗?

Is it, like, two hours on the screen?

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没有。

No.

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所以我们从四岁就开始在学前班引入电子设备了。

So we do start as early as four years old in a pre K program.

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孩子们确实会用屏幕做些事情,但时间比那两小时短得多。

They are doing some work on screens, but it's a shorter period of time than that two hours.

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其实有个有趣的数据,目前美国孩子每天平均使用屏幕的时间是两个半小时。

And actually, fun fact, the, you know, average amount of time kids are spending on screens in The United States right now is two and a half hours a day.

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对。

Mhmm.

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所以我们的孩子每天用屏幕的时间比美国的孩子还要少。

So our kids actually spend less time on a screen than kids there.

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这挺不错的。

Oh, it's cool.

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是的。

Yeah.

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但还有另一个关键点。

But here's the other big key component.

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并不是所有的屏幕时间都是一样的。

There is not equality between all screen time.

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我和我孩子一直坚持不接触屏幕,我也推荐这样做。

I, myself, with my kids, we were a screen free family, and I recommend that.

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比如,把iPad放在孩子面前,不管是吃饭时还是在学校里,说‘咱们来上网做吧’。

Like, you know, putting an iPad in front of your kid, you know, at the dinner table or even in school to say, hey, let's do this online.

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其实,那本来就是一张纸质练习卷而已。

You know, that could have been just a worksheet.

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对吧?

Right?

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可我们偏偏要改成在线做。

But we'll do it doing it online.

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这纯粹就是为用科技而用科技。

It's just it's like technology for technology's sake.

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对我们来说,关键区别在于,这不仅仅是坐在屏幕前做点什么。

And the key difference here for us is it's not just doing something on a screen.

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而是要让孩子在学习中保持高度参与,这种状态被称为‘最近发展区’——任务难度适中,不会难到让孩子放弃,也不会简单到让他们心不在焉。

It's having that engaged level of interaction with your academics that's keeping you in what's called the zone of proximal development where the answer you know, the the the work isn't so hard that you've kinda turned off and so easy that you're not really engaged.

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这样能让孩子主动投入到学习中,所以我们看到的学习效果,远比单纯把内容丢到屏幕上要好得多。

So it creates a very proactive kind of connection with what students are doing, which is why we're seeing, you know, better learning results than just putting something on screen.

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话虽如此,当然,我们也有纸质书。

That said, yes, of course, we have books.

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我觉得对孩子来说,特别重要的一点是,我们不仅要教他们读书,更要让他们真正爱上阅读。

One of the things that I think is such an important thing for kids to learn is we gotta teach them not just to read, but to fall in love with reading.

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没错。

Yeah.

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而最好的方式,首先是教他们掌握阅读这项技能,而我们的环境正好能很好地做到这一点。

And what better way to do that than, first of all, teaching them the skill of reading, which we're able to do very well with this environment.

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我还想强调,和大人面对面大声朗读,这种一对一的互动至关重要。

And I will say the importance of one to one out loud reading with a human is so critical.

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所以我们的阅读专家能够抽出时间,为每个孩子提供一对一的单独阅读指导,这已成为他们学习的一部分。

And so that's what our reading specialists are able to have time to do that one to one pull out reading time with every kid as part of their learning.

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但同时,我们也要教会他们说:好吧。

But then it's also teaching them to say, okay.

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让我们一起想想,怎么才能激发他们对阅读的热爱。

Let's figure out how we can encourage you to love to read.

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举个例子,我们开发了一个叫《Teach Tales》的应用程序。

And an example of that, we have an app that we have created called Teach Tales.

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这个应用本质上是一个AI工具,让孩子创作符合自己兴趣的故事,难度正好匹配他们的水平,让他们始终处在最近发展区里。

And what it does is it's basically an AI app that allows kids to create stories that match their interests, and it's at the difficulty level that's exactly right for them that keeps them in that zone of proximal development.

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比如,那个平时宁愿骑滑板车到处玩也不愿坐下来读书的小男孩,现在却成了故事里的主角,和他最好的朋友一起展开一场拯救世界的冒险,情节还正好契合他最爱的那部电影。

So, basically, you can take that little boy who maybe would rather be just, like, going around on his scooter than sitting down and reading a book, but suddenly, he's the main character with his best friends in a save the world kind of adventure that matches his favorite, you know, movie that he's got.

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突然间,他变得特别想读书了。

And all of a sudden, he's excited about reading.

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这些事,我们非做不可。

And these are things we have to do.

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是的,我们的孩子有机会接触莎士比亚的作品。

So, yes, our kids get to be exposed to Shakespeare.

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是的,我们的孩子也在读那些经典名著,确实如此。

And, yes, our kids are reading the great books, you know, and they're doing that stuff.

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这只是我认为教育中重要的一部分而已。

It's it's one part of, you know, what I think is important to for education.

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艾迪·赫希列出了五千个事实、概念,还有他们称之为核心知识的内容,这些都被认为是成为一个有教养的人所必需的。我们把这些内容融入课程,确保孩子们能学到这些。

Edie Hirsch has 5,000 facts, concepts, and and what what they call core pieces of knowledge that are considered important to be an educated person, And we're able to put that information into our curriculum in order to make sure that, you know, the kids are getting that education.

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所以,人们常常忘记的一点是,当你每天只需要花两个小时专注学业时,剩下的整个校园时间就能用来做其他事,比如完成‘好书打卡’。

And so, you know, the wonderful thing that I think people often forget is that when you only have to spend two hours working on that academics, it opens up the whole rest of the school day to be able to do things like, okay, you're gonna do a great book check.

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我们叫它‘打卡’,因为是用打卡表来记录的。

We call it a check because it's on a check chart.

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你需要读完一定数量的书,然后写读书心得,给孩子这样的机会很重要。

You've got to read a certain number of books, and then you're writing reflections on them, you know, and and having kids have that opportunity.

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他们是用iPad写,还是手写?

Are they writing an iPad or a handwriting?

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不是。

No.

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那我们为什么还要教孩子手写呢?

So we Why help us do handwriting?

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我们就是这样做的。

That's what we do.

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我们教的是连笔字。

We teach cursive.

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明白了。

Okay.

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我真希望我的孩子能学会这个,因为我花了很多天、很多周,甚至可能好几个月在学习它。

This what I really want my kids to learn because I spend days and weeks learning well, months probably.

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我知道这听起来有点疯狂。

I know what's crazy.

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我只用连笔字写字。

I only write in cursive.

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我觉得手写体其实还是一种挺重要的技艺。

Like, I still think cursive is, like, a pretty important art.

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我觉得这是一项很棒的技能。

I think it's a great skill.

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没错,这确实是个很棒的技能,因为它能锻炼手眼协调,促进大脑发育。

I oh, it's a great well, and it's a great skill because of what it does with just your hand eye coordination, how it helps develop the brain.

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音乐也是同样的道理。

Same thing with music.

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艺术也是同样的道理。

Same thing with art.

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我们其实想让孩子接触各种各样的活动。

There's so many different different types of things that we wanna give kids to do.

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所以,没错,他们现在还是用铅笔和纸在练习。

And so, yes, they're doing that on pencil and paper.

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还有另一件事,我们的孩子也能参与。

Here's another thing that our kids get to to do.

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他们在学缝纫。

They're learning to sew.

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对吧?

Right?

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他们还上木工课,像这类活动,其实早就被挤出常规课表了,因为时间不够。

They're doing a woodworking class, like stuff that, you know, has actually been torn out of the traditional school day because there's not enough time.

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大家都觉得,只要多花时间在学业上,成绩自然就会提高,但事实并非如此。

Everyone thinks we just need more time on academics in order to see success rates go up, and that's not really true.

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我们发现,花更少的时间,孩子们反而学得更有效,还能腾出空间去体验各种生活技能。

We're showing that in less time, kids can learn more effectively and then open up all of those other kind of life skills experiences.

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就像当年我们家五六岁的孩子,骑着自行车成群结队地横跨金门大桥,大家一起完成骑行;或者爬四十英尺高的岩壁,还有初中生一起完成三项全能比赛——这样的事例太多了。

But if it's anything like when our kids, you know, our five and six year olds were riding back and forth on the Golden Gate Bridge in their Alpha biker gang where they finish finish that ride as a team or, you know, they've climbed 40 foot rock walls or our middle schoolers have been able to complete a triathlon together.

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我们看到了太多形形色色的活动。

There are so many different activities that we're seeing.

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孩子们完全有能力胜任这些挑战。

Kids can absolutely rise to the occasion.

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而帮助我们做到这一点的部分原因,是我们确保过程有趣,哪怕任务很难,孩子们也能玩得开心。

And part of what what helps us do that is we're making sure that it's fun, like that the kids are having fun even when it's hard.

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对吧?

Right?

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我们说孩子喜欢学校,并不是随口一提,而是至关重要的。

It doesn't mean when we talk about kids loving school, which we think is critical.

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孩子真的得喜欢学校。

Kids need to love school.

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事实上,这是我们向家长做出的第一个承诺:你的孩子会爱上学校。

In fact, it's our first commitment that we make to our families, which is that your kid will love school.

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这之所以重要,不是因为每天都能像游乐园一样。

The reason that's so important isn't because every day is Disneyland.

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而是因为当孩子心里燃起一股劲儿,觉得‘我喜欢上学’的时候。

It's because when kids feel this fire in their belly and are like, I like being at school.

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我真的很喜欢上学。

I love being at school.

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这让我们能够鼓励他们挑战困难的任务,去尝试那些他们原本觉得自己做不到的事。

It allows us to challenge them to do hard things, to take on tasks that maybe they wouldn't know how to do.

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而且他们有支持,这正是激发潜力的关键,我觉得这才是学校该有的样子。

And they've got that support, And it it it's what helps unlock potential, which is what I think school needs to be.

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所以你是把一整天的安排大大压缩了,我想到的是普通学校的一天。

And so you basically compress I'm thinking about a typical school day.

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整整六个小时都是学术课程。

It's six hours of academics.

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对吧?

Right?

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没错。

And it yeah.

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差不多就是这样。

Basically.

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把它压缩到两到三个小时,减少了三分之二。

Compress it to two so three x less.

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对。

Mhmm.

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而且你们还是覆盖了同样的内容,对吧。

And you still cover the same material Mhmm.

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而且深度也一样,因为每个人都是按照自己的节奏来学习的。

And same depth just because everybody moves individually within the

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眼睛。

eyes.

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我们讲得更深入。

Argue we cover it in greater depth.

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是的。

Mhmm.

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因为,举个例子,如果你想想五年级数学该掌握哪些知识,传统体系里的孩子,他们只是在跟着进度走数学概念。

Because, again, when you think about what, let's say, fifth grade academic knowledge, you know, is for math as an example, kids in a traditional system, they're moving through the math concepts.

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不管会不会,他们都会往前赶。

And whether they know it or not, they kinda move forward.

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这就是为什么这个国家有三分之一的孩子在数学或阅读上能达到年级水平。

Again, it's why a third of kids in this country are actually proficient in their grade level in math or reading.

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这意味着另外三分之二的孩子还没达到熟练程度。

That means two thirds are not at mastery.

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而在我们的体系里,孩子必须完全掌握当前内容,才会升入下一个年级。

Whereas in our system, kids don't move up in their academic grade level until they've mastered.

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他们得达到百分之九十以上才算掌握。

They've gotta be above 90% in order to master.

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所以学习的深度自然就更深了。

And so it it goes to a a larger depth.

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这也是为什么我们常被问到这个问题,我们的第二个承诺是:孩子在两小时内能学到两倍的内容。

This is the other reason we get sometimes this question so our second commitment is that kids will learn twice as much in only two hours.

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通常是两倍。

So often Twice as much.

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两倍。

Twice as much.

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我们用一种叫NWEA MAP的测评来衡量这一点。

And we measure that with something called the NWEA MAP assessment.

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这是一种标准化测评,全美大约一千万名学生都会参加,包括在家上学、公立学校和私立学校的学生。

It's a it's a standardized assessment that's taken by about 10,000,000 kids all over the country, homeschool, public school, private school.

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他们真的能记住学过的内容吗?

And they actually remember what they learned?

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是的。

Yeah.

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当你通过确保孩子掌握前面的内容来为他们铺路,后续更复杂的内容就更容易理解了。

And then, again, what happens is is when you set kids up for success by giving them mastery of earlier content, it, again, it makes more sophisticated content because you can learn to grasp.

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对。

Yeah.

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而且还能学得更深。

And go deeper on that.

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所以在我们的高中,学生们修的高级课程,和别的学校学生修的是同一类。

And so at our high school, our kids are taking the same advanced placement courses that, you know, some kids are taking.

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他们要学四年英语、外语、科学、数学,还有各种历史课程。

They're taking four years of English and foreign language and science and math and all of those types of history.

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他们确实是在学这些内容,但花的时间更少。

They're doing that, but they're doing it in less time.

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在高中阶段,一门课大概三小时。

At the high school level, it's it's three hours.

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有时候会稍微长一点。

It's a little bit longer on there.

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不过,我们确实把时间压缩了,学得更高效、更扎实。

But, yeah, we have basically been able to compress that time and make it more efficient and more effective.

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我觉得,他们对知识的理解比传统课堂里的学生更深。

So I think they are learning at a deeper level than kids in a traditional classroom.

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这真的很有趣。

That's very interesting.

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确实如此。

Yeah.

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明白了。

Okay.

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所以如果有人在听,而且你家孩子的学费挺高的。

So if somebody's listening to this and you have a pretty high check.

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对吧?

Right?

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大概是七万七千美元吗?

Is it, like, 7 70 k?

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具体是多少呢?

How much is it?

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我们的Alpha学校是那种备受关注的学校,属于顶级私立学校,重新定义了家长对孩子私立教育的期待。

So our Alpha Schools, Alpha School is kind of the school that's gotten a lot of the attention, and that is, like, super high end private school, kinda redefining what parents expect out of their kids' private school experience.

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孩子们通过航海学习团队合作和适应能力,之后还能从佛罗里达航行到巴哈马,这类活动是逐步开展的。

So, you know, when kids are learning teamwork and adaptability through sailing and then they get to sail from Florida to The Bahamas, you know, over time, they're doing that.

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这类学校的费用大概在四万到七万五千美元之间。

And that's basically between 40 and $75,000.

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是的。

Mhmm.

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这些学校正在全国各地陆续开设,看到这么多家庭对孩子的教育不只是关注我们之前聊过的学术部分,更看重那些生活技能,真的让人很受鼓舞。

Those schools are opening all over the country, and it's been really cool to see the amount of demand we have from families who are excited about not just the the part we've spent time talking about the academics, but really all the life skills.

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那如果有人负担不起七万美元,但每天能抽出两个小时,像我这样的家长能复制一部分这样的体验吗?

So somebody who can't afford 70 k, if it's just, well, two hours a day, can a parent like me replicate part of this experience?

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因为我是个很用心的家长。

Because I'm a dedicated parent.

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我每天至少花两到三个小时陪孩子做各种事情。

I spend, like, two to three hours at least per day with my kids just doing stuff with them.

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如果我也想这么做,具体该从哪些步骤开始?

If I want to do something like that, what are the steps that I need to take?

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而且我觉得,你教的这些能力,不只是对孩子有用。

And I also feel like it's really because all the skills that you're teaching, it's not just for kids.

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对成年人来说也同样重要,因为大家都明白世界在变,必须不断学习和适应。

It's for adults who understand that the world is changing, and they need to be constantly learning, adapting.

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世界每周都在变。

Basically, world changes every week.

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所以我们正准备迎接这个变化。

So that's that's what we're up for.

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我喜欢这个问题,因为看到很多家庭在家模仿Alpha的模式,陪着孩子做各种事情,真的特别有意思。

I love this question because it's been so fun to watch people who are replicating a lot of the Alpha magic in their own homes with what their kids are doing.

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比如,有些家庭已经在用我们的Alpha Anywhere在家教育项目。

And so that's everything from, you know, we've got families that are using our Alpha Anywhere homeschool program.

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这个项目一年要花一万美元,但孩子能获得和学校一样的学术平台。

That's $10,000 a year to get the same academic platform

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是的。

Mhmm.

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而孩子们下午的时间,则可以用来发展家庭觉得有意义的生活技能。

You know, that our kids in school are getting.

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而孩子们下午的时间,则可以用来发展家庭觉得有意义的生活技能。

And then their afternoons get to be, you know, the life skills development that the family decides that is interesting.

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其实,教孩子生活技能的方式有很多。

And, you know, there are so many ways that you can teach great life skills.

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比如运动,一直以来都是培养毅力、韧性、团队合作、领导力、接受反馈,以及掌握技能的绝佳途径。

You know, sports obviously has always been a really popular way of teaching grit and resilience and teamwork and leadership and receiving feedback, you know, and learning the mastery as well.

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我们觉得运动里有些理念,平时在学术教育里不容易看出来,但我们其实用的是同样的方法。

You know, one of the things we think about with sports that it's harder to understand with academics, but we're taking the same approach.

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你想想,一个篮球运动员,要是连运球都不会,怎么可能去练扣篮呢?

You know, if you're a basketball player, you're not working on your dunking if you don't know how to dribble the ball down the court.

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对吧?

Right?

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得从基础开始,先把基础打牢,再往上走。

It's start with the basics, master the basics, and then move up.

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打完一场比赛之后,你还会回看比赛录像。

You know, you analyze game film when you're finished, you know, with a game.

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目的是找出哪些地方还能做得更好。

You're watching to see where you could do better.

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我们在学术方面也在做很多类似的事情。

We're doing a lot of that same stuff on the academic side.

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但家长在家里其实也可以做一些事情。

But there are things that families can do at home.

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我一直觉得创业是个特别好的方式,之前我们还提到过卖柠檬水的例子。

I always think entrepreneurship is such a great tool, and we talked about that with the lemonade stand.

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这些都很适合让孩子学习理财知识。

So those are great ways to learn financial literacy.

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这些事情父母在家完全可以带孩子一起做。

And those are things that parents can be doing at home.

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但这里有个难题。

Now here's the challenge.

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很多时候,最大的问题就是一天只有24小时。

A lot of times, the big big issue with this is there's only so many hours in the day.

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孩子整天上学,回家本该稍微放松一下,结果却往往要马上写作业,而且作业开始的时间也越来越早。

So when kids are going to school all day long, they come home, they get hopefully a little bit of a break, they often are ending up doing homework, which is starting earlier and earlier.

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他们还有作业要做。

They've got homework.

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还得吃晚饭。

You gotta eat dinner.

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要么练钢琴,要么去踢足球,反正事儿不少。

You're doing piano practice or you're going to play soccer, whatever it is.

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能额外补充的精力毕竟有限。

There's only so much supplementing that can be done.

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这正是越来越多的家庭开始意识到:该向学区施压了,该问问学校了——你们到底在做什么来提升教学质量?

And that's one of the reasons I think families are starting to realize, like, it's time for us to to demand change in our school districts and to ask our schools, what are you doing to try and improve academics?

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那学术方面呢?

What about academics?

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如果有人想把你们这套方法用在家里,家长能带孩子做些什么?

If somebody wants to deploy part of your system at home, what can they do with their kids?

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是看某些视频吗?还是别的什么?

Is it like watching particular videos or I don't know.

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对。

Yeah.

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用氛围感写个应用。

Vibe coding an app.

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让我给你

Let me give

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举个学术方面的例子。

you an example on the academic side.

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有个叫Math Academy的App,我们特别喜欢。

There is an app called Math Academy that we absolutely love.

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它不是我们自家的App。

It's not one of our apps.

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它是外面一个团队开发的,他们在Math Academy这个项目上做得非常出色。

It's built by, you know, an an outside team that they've just done a great job with Math Academy.

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这确实是个很棒的App。

It's a great app.

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所以这就是一个例子,如果你希望孩子能花点时间做点应用方面的事,就可以往这个方向走。

And so that's an example of something that, you know, if you're wanting your kid to be able to spend some time doing, you know, some app work going there.

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我觉得现在特别有意思的是,这么多新出的AI工具,真的让人玩得很开心。

I think the other thing that's, you know, so much fun now is, you know, working on so many of these AI tools that are coming out.

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事实上,上个月我们有不少学生去了纽约,给家长们办了一场Open Claw课程,教他们该怎么操作。

In fact, a bunch of our our students went to New York last month, and they did an Open Claw class for parents, you know, to teach them what to do.

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当我们考虑作为员工最重要的技能时,你必须始终明白:怎么把我正在做的事发挥出最大价值?

And, you know, when we're thinking about a super important skill as an employee in order to have a job, you're gonna have to always understand, like, how do I take whatever I'm doing and add the most value from it?

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怎么让自己变成AI优先的人?

How do I become AI first?

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是啊,没错。

Oh, yeah.

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怎么把我的一部分技能自动化,然后往上提升,

How do I automate part of my skills and rise up to

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让自己获得超能力。

the most give me superpowers.

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是的

Yeah.

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对吧?

Right?

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真正让人在职场上站稳脚跟、有竞争力的,是能不断明白——

That's what's gonna make people job resilient, you know, when and and employable is if they are constantly knowing, alright.

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怎么把手上的东西变成自己的优势,做出更大的成果。

Here's how I can take something and use it to my advantage to build something big.

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同时在和AI互动时,也要靠自己的判断。

And also use personal judgment when interacting with AI.

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没错。

Absolutely.

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你知道的。

You know?

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还有另一点。

And and here's the other thing.

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我觉得大家对人工智能都挺害怕的。

I think there's a lot of fear around AI.

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在学校里也是,这其实很合理,因为学校里的聊天机器人都是些廉价的工具。

And in schools, there is and it's rightly so because chatbots in schools are cheap bots.

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我们学校不用聊天机器人,因为孩子们会拿它们来

And, you know, we don't use chatbots in our schools because kids do use them for

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作弊。

switching ops.

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你们有设置拦截工具吗?

Do you have, like, a blocker?

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是啊。

So yeah.

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我们的孩子平时都在用电脑学习。

So our our kids are working on computers.

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他们在使用Time Back平台,这个系统会监控他们的操作,防止他们随便乱来。

So they've got they've got, basically, in the Time Back platform, it's it's monitoring so that they can't say, okay.

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我正从这里移到那里。

I'm moving from here to here.

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或者如果他们真的能绕过去,我们也能看出来。

Or if if if they're able to somehow, we can see it.

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我们通过屏幕录制来观察孩子们是如何操作的。

We're screen recording to be able to see how kids are moving through this.

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另外,我们还能根据情况给予指导,比如发现你可能只是快速扫了一眼阅读材料。

Also what allows us to give coaching to kids when it's like, oh, okay, I noticed that you you maybe skimmed the reading.

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你花在全文阅读上的时间不够,没法真正理解内容。

You didn't spend enough time reading the whole the whole thing in order to do that.

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而指导孩子时,通常放慢速度反而能让你比急着赶完做得更快。

And then coaching, you know, oftentimes slowing down will actually help you go faster than trying to rush through something.

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掌握这类技能是非常重要的。

And, you know, getting that kind of skills is important to do.

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所以,需要做的事情其实挺多的。

So it's a you know, there's a lot to do.

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但在教育领域,我们必须确保以正确的方式应用人工智能。

But, yeah, in education, we've got to make sure that we're implementing AI in a in a good way.

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我最担心的是,每个孩子都发一台装着聊天机器人的电脑,然后就说:‘哇,我们是AI优先的。’

And what I would hate to see is just, you know, every kid gets a computer with chatty bitty on it and say, wow.

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我们是AI优先的。

We're AI first.

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是的。

Yeah.

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这正是我担心的

That that's my concern with

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屏幕时间。

screen time.

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我其实希望他们多看一些视频。

Like, I really want them to watch some videos.

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有些TED演讲我特别喜欢,画面感很强,正好可以和孩子一起看。

There are some TED Talks I absolutely love, which are also very visual so I can show them with my kids.

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但我担心的是,如果我接个电话离开房间,他们就会想办法切换到短视频。

But my concern is that if there's a phone call and I leave the room, they're gonna figure out how to switch to shorts.

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是啊。

Oh, yeah.

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如果你有孩子,就像马克·罗伯那样,他做的那些东西——

If you have kids like Mark Rober who does all

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对。

the Yeah.

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完全没错。

Bull sign Yeah.

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我刚给他们看了闪光炸弹的视频。

I just showed them the glitter bomb.

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他们特别着迷。

They were fascinated.

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是的。

Yeah.

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不行。

No.

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其实有不少巧妙的方法可以做到。

There's some interesting ways to do it.

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你知道吗,现在我们能通过YouTube观看心脏手术,而不是像以前在课堂上只解剖猪,这变化太大了。

And you know, that's another thing that I think we have the ability now to like be able to watch a heart surgery, you know, on YouTube versus, you know, just dissecting a pig, you know, in class.

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世界上有太多精彩的东西值得我们好好利用,关键是要用对方式,比如:咱们就从这个开始学吧。

There are so many cool ways that we need to take advantage of what the world has to offer in the right way where where we can say, okay, let's learn this.

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从这些事物里获得启发。

Let's get inspired by something here.

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马克·罗伯就是个很好的例子,他特别会吸引孩子,让他们真正爱上科学和这类活动。

Mark Rober is a great example of a really good influencer who makes kids fall in love with science and activities like that.

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所以你得恰到好处地穿插这些内容。

And so you gotta pepper in that right amount.

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我觉得,家里的父母也可以主动一点,比如:我今天要让孩子用一些智能学习应用做点功课。

And I think, you know, parents at home who are kind of being able to say, alright, I'm gonna intentionally have my kid do some work using adaptive apps.

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我还会为他们设计一些在家培养生活技能的方式。

I'm going to also have, you know, a way for them to develop life skills at home.

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我们是在特定体系下长大的,觉得这套体系最适合我们的孩子。

We grew up in a particular system, and we think it's the best system for our kids.

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但我也意识到,这个世界真的已经变了。

But then what I also do realize that the world has really changed.

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你觉得高等教育还重要吗?

Do you think higher education matters?

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你觉得十年内大学还会那么重要吗?

Do you think universities are gonna matter in five to ten years?

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我们告诉学生的是:你们要准备好去做任何想做的事。

Here's what we're telling our students is that we want you to be prepared to go do whatever it is that you wanna do.

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如果你们想进常春藤名校,那就该有能让你被录取的履历。

And if that means you wanna go to an Ivy League school, then you should be able to have, you know, the resume that gets you into that.

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如果你们想直接创业或进入职场,也得做好充分准备。

And if you wanna be ready to go out and hop into business or go straight in the working world, you should be prepared to to do that as well.

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我觉得这是个很个人的决定。

So I think that's a very personal choice.

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如果你问我对高等教育的整体看法,我觉得大学体系现在跟K12教育差不多,都在紧紧跟着同样的模式——要是能把AI工具像Alpha那样用起来,让基础课程都由AI来教,腾出教授的时间,专门跟那些已经达到一定水平的学生深入讨论,那该多好。

Now if you ask me in general general about higher education, I think the university system is, you know, following very closely behind the the k through twelve one, which is that, you know, if you took AI tools just like what Alpha is doing and said, hey, let's do all our basic courses, you know, this way and then free up the professor's time to to really spend time in more sophisticated discussion with kids who are, you know, at that level.

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让教授们去做研究吧。

Let's go be doing research.

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对。

Mhmm.

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大家一起创业,做点真正有意思的事,都行。

Let's go build up, you know, build a build a start up together, do whatever that is.

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我觉得那样会特别有吸引力。

I think that would make it really exciting.

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我相信大学的价值,我有个女儿已经在上大学,另一个明年也要去了。

Now I believe university, and I've got one daughter who's in college and another who's heading there next year.

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这两个姑娘都特别期待上大学,因为她们想跟其他有抱负的年轻人在一起。

Both those girls were so excited to go to college because they're excited to be around other ambitious young people.

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对吧?

Right?

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他们期待建立自己的人脉圈。

They're excited to build their network.

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我觉得大学在构建人脉方面做得特别出色。

And I think university does an amazing job at building out, you know, networks.

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很多人就是在那儿遇到自己的另一半的。

It's where you often can meet your your spouse.

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是的。

Mhmm.

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那里还能结识一生的挚友。

There's your best friends for life.

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他们上大学就是为了这个体验。

That's what they want to go to college for.

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他们想要拥有这样的经历。

They want to have that experience.

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但我认为,他们上课的时间其实挺低效的。

But I think, again, their time spent in classes is, you know, pretty inefficient.

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对。

Yeah.

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他们怎么从每天两小时过渡到八小时呢?

How do they adjust from two hours to eight hours?

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是的。

Yeah.

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挺有意思的。

It's funny.

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我们其实专门研究过这个问题,因为很多人担心:孩子如果重新回到传统学校环境,会怎么样?

We actually looked at this because that's a big concern that people have is, okay, what happens when your kids go back into a traditional environment?

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我们发现的是这样:

And here's what we've found.

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他们表现得非常好。

They do great.

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他们能很快明白,原来学习可以这样搞?

They are able to very quickly understand, okay, here's how I can I can learn?

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而且他们主动承担责任,积极掌控自己的学习。

And I they have a proactive attitude of taking on ownership of their learning.

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他们自己也会说,我女儿就是其中一个,开学第一周就给我打电话,说:妈,真的没想到。

But they will say, and my daughter was one of them, she called me up after the first week of school and she's like, wow, mom.

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这些课简直太低效了。

I mean, these lectures are so inefficient.

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一堂45分钟的课,真正有价值的内容可能就那么5分钟。

Like, in a forty five minute class, you know, there's probably five minutes of real information that was worthwhile.

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那他们的成绩怎么样?

But do they do well in grades?

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当然没问题。

Absolutely.

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更重要的是,我觉得我们Alpha的毕业生往往有一种追求精通的劲头,哪怕整个体系并不鼓励这样。

More importantly than that, though, I think what it feels like our Alpha grads tend to do is they have a desire towards just mastery even when the system isn't doing it.

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我们有个学生上了大学后,写了一篇课程论文。

We had a student who went off to university and he wrote a paper for one of his classes.

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论文发回来时,他得了95分,但上面连一个批注都没有。

And he got the paper back and he had a 95%, but there were no notes.

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于是他去找教授,说:‘我看到得了95分,但没看到任何反馈,不知道哪里还能改进。’

So he went and met with his professor and he said, hey, I see that I got a 95%, but I don't see any notes on how I could improve.

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教授只说:‘这已经是不错的分数了。',

And she just said, well, you know, that's a good grade.

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这是个A啊。

That's an a.

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你该知足了。

You should be happy with that.

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他说:‘我确实满意,但我只是想知道,怎样才能做到完美。’

He's like, I am happy with it, but I just want to know what would make it better.

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什么样的表现才能拿满分?

Like what would get a 100?

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她说,你知道的,写作这事儿,根本不可能拿到一百分。

And she said, well, you know, writing, you're never gonna get to a 100.

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总还有可以改进的地方。

There's always improvement.

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他说,那太好了。

He goes, great.

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你告诉我,我哪里还能做得更好?

Share with me what what I could improve upon.

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她看着他,直接把95划掉,改成了99,就让他走了。

And, you know, she looked at him and she just crossed out the 95 and put a 99 and sent him on his way.

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所以他其实并没得到他想要的反馈。

So he didn't get he actually didn't get the feedback he was looking for.

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这只是一个例子,说明连老师都习惯了只看分数。

And it's just an example that even teachers are programmed to be like, it's just about the grade.

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只把分数给你就行了。

Just here's the grade.

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你去吧。

Go on your way.

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我觉得Alpha学生都明白,哦,我可以去学这个,因为挺有意思的,而且我有能力进步。

And, you know, I think Alpha students realize like, oh, I can go learn this because, you know, it's interesting and I have a ability to get better.

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有意思。

Interesting.

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明白了。

Okay.

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你说了这么多,我就在想,成年人自己打造的Alpha式学习模式会是什么样子?

So you're saying all of this, and I'm like, what would be the version of self imposed alpha school for adults?

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哦。

Oh,

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首先,我觉得,要是我有更多时间,我有时候会想,不如这样吧。

well, first of all, I think, you know, for me, if I had a little bit more time, I sometimes think, you know what?

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我想回去补一补那些漏掉的知识,比如我的数学和历史到底掌握到什么程度了。

I'd love to go back and do some, you know, hole filling, you know, and remember where am I at in, you know, my math and history, those types of things.

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所以我觉得,父母可以和孩子一起用这些应用软件。

So, I mean, I think that one of the things that that parents can do is start doing some of these apps with their kids.

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不是陪着孩子用,而是自己也用,这样才懂它们是怎么运作的、能做什么。

Not with them, but but do them too so that they can understand how they work and what they do.

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找一个你感兴趣的话题,深入钻研下去。

Find a thing that you're interested in learning more about and go deep.

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我们中学的学生,经常这么做。

Our middle school students, we do this all the time.

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其实我们甚至更早就开始做了,会让孩子围绕一个感兴趣的主题,连续探索两周。

Actually, we start earlier than that, which is we'll have kids go down a two week long rabbit hole around a subject that they find interesting.

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这对成年人来说也是一样。

And so that's something as an adult.

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找一个你想了解的领域,然后告诉自己:我要深入学一学,做个‘知识整理’——就是把所有学到的东西都列出来。

Go find a topic that you're interested in learning about and say, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna build what we call a brain lift, which is basically a list of everything I learned.

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这个领域里有哪些专家?

Who are the experts in this area?

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你知道吗,我现在已经开始想,我是不是该去了解一下荷尔蒙、更年期这些马上要在我身上发生的事了。

You know, I'm at the point where I'm starting to think, oh, I should start learning about hormones and, you know, menopause and all those kinds of things that are that are gonna be happening in my next stage.

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所以去查查谁是这方面的专家,谁在做这些研究。

So go and and find out who's the expert, who's built who's doing this.

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我们很多学生就是这样,每天花半小时专门研究自己感兴趣的课题。

And then this is what a lot of our students do is they they spend, you know, a half an hour each day doing research on their topic of interest.

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他们整理出一份知识清单,然后还能用它训练一个大模型,随时查询和更新。

They build a brain lift, and then they can actually build an LLM out of that, and they can search constantly.

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你明白吧?

You know?

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对,没错。

Okay.

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我到底对这个话题了解多少?都是从我学过的东西里总结出来的。

Here's what do I know about this topic, you know, from what I've studied?

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而且他们还在不断补充。

And they're continuing to add.

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所以我觉得这是个很好的例子,鼓励大家不断深入、持续学习,最终成为某个领域的专家。

And so I think it's a great example of really encouraging this idea of continuing to go deeper and learn and becoming an expert in something.

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当你跟孩子聊职业时,你是怎么想的?

And when you talk about professions to your kids, do you what is your thinking around this?

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你实际上是在取代老师,把他们转变成教练或指导团队的角色。

You're you're basically replacing teachers, and you you're moving them to more like a coach cohort.

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从这次对话中,我感受到你在培养很多创业者,这太棒了。

The thing that I'm getting from this conversation is that you're raising a lot of entrepreneurs, which is amazing.

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我觉得,如果一个人没有创业精神,未来十年到二十年,当大量体力劳动被自动化取代时,会很难立足。

And I feel like if you don't have entrepreneurial qualities, it's gonna be really hard to survive in ten to twenty years when a lot of manual work is automated.

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你觉得还有哪些人会没有未来?

Who else do you think doesn't have a future?

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我

I

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我不太喜欢问年轻人:你长大后想做什么?

don't like asking young people what do you want to do when you get older?

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比如,你长大以后想做什么?

Like, what do you want to be when you grow up?

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我不喜欢这么问,有几个原因。

There's a few reasons I don't like that.

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首先,这容易让孩子觉得,我必须说我想当律师。

First of all, I think it can box kids in to think, oh, I have to say I want to be a lawyer.

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对吧?

Right?

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或者类似的职业。

Or something like that.

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所以我觉得更重要的是问:你平时喜欢做什么?

So I think one of the things is you have to say, what are the things you enjoy doing?

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我女儿就是个很好的例子。

And my daughter is a great example of this.

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我觉得她可能真想当律师。

I think she would probably want to be a lawyer.

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我觉得法律这个行业会变得特别有意思,因为现在你两秒钟就能生成一份法律文件,省下不少钱。

I think the field of law is gonna be a really interesting place cause now you can literally write up a legal document in two seconds, you know, and save the money on this.

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所以我觉得律师这个职业就是一个例子——得往上走,把能自动化的部分交给机器,真正该专注的是策略、目标和谈判沟通这些事。

And so, I think the law profession is an example of, you know, lawyers are gonna have to elevate themselves to say, okay, Here's how we're automating the things that can be automated, and here's where the real focus should be as, you know, as we're incorporating strategy and what are we doing and how are we negotiating and communicating, you know, on that.

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我觉得接下来会有翻天覆地的变化。

I think there there's gonna be so much change.

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再说医生吧。

You know, doctors.

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你懂的。

You know?

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我觉得医生是永远没法被取代的。

I don't think are we ever gonna replace doctors?

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绝对不可能。

Absolutely not.

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但这件事特别有意思。

But it's so interesting.

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我上次去皮肤科做年度皮肤检查的时候。

I was at my last dermatology appointment where they're doing my yearly skin check.

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医生没有拿小镜子来看我的痣,而是直接用相机扫描我的全身,用人工智能来分析有没有异常。

And instead of the doctor coming and looking at my moles with a little mirror, you know, the doctor is literally taking a camera and scanning my body and using AI to analyze if anything.

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你猜怎么着?

And guess what?

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他们还能调出去年的记录,对比出这个痣今年和去年有什么不同。

They have the record from last year to be able to know, hey.

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而人眼可能就只能说:我也不太确定。

That mole looks different than it did this year versus a human eye who's like, I don't know.

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那医患沟通的能力,是不是变得更重要了?

Now does bedside manner become even more of an important skill?

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当然。

Absolutely.

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对吧?

Right?

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这些地方确实需要发生一些改变。

You you know, those are some places where we're gonna have to see change.

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所以我觉得,对于我们的学生来说,根本没法预知他们长大后想做什么。

So I again, I think with with our students, we have no idea what they're gonna wanna be when they get older.

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但如果我们能帮他们培养出无论做什么都用得上的能力,那就很有意义。

But if we can help them develop the skills that that will be helpful in whatever they do

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我觉得这个问题非常值得自己好好想想。

I think it's a very important question to ask yourself.

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别只问自己想从事什么职业,而要问自己真正喜欢做什么,看重的是哪些技能和过程。

Instead of what profession you want to be doing, what you actually enjoy doing, the skills, the process.

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是的。

Yeah.

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这才是关键,因为职业本身会不断变化。

That's the key because professions are gonna change.

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没错。

Absolutely.

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我们让初中和高中的学生做一份‘人生意义’价值观图表。

We have our middle school students and our high school students do an ikigai values chart.

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你擅长什么?

What are you good at?

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你最喜欢做什么?

What do you love to do?

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这个世界需要什么?

And what does the world need?

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我觉得我们都应该定期重新思考这些问题。

And that is something that I think we should all be revisiting on a regular basis.

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没错。

Absolutely.

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作为成年人,我们也应该做这些反思。

Know, as as adults too, these are things that we should do.

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这能帮助人们更清楚地思考:我想成为怎样的人?

And and that helps people kinda see, who do I wanna be?

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我想做些什么?

What do I wanna do?

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我想如何做出贡献?

How do I wanna contribute?

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我想怎样去创造和建设?

How do I wanna build and create?

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那这些又能在哪里派上用场?

And then where can this be helpful?

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看看你能接触到哪些需求

Plug in to what what you can

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然后想想哪些是你能帮上忙的

see as a need that's that you can meet.

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你有没有想过,如果女儿毕业了却找不到工作,该怎么跟她们说?

Have you ever thought about what to say to your daughters if they graduate and they don't get a job?

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这个世界变化得太快了

Like, this world, that's changing so fast.

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这真是个很有意思的问题。

That's a really interesting question.

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这个问题问得非常好。

That's a great question to ask.

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我有个女儿正在读大学二年级,她一直在忙着找暑期实习。

So, yeah, I've got a daughter who is a sophomore in college, and she's, you know, was was hustling to find her internship for the summer.

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我还有个女儿,她其实完全不一样,因为她是个很有名的网红。

And I've got another daughter who's really different actually because she's a very well known influencer.

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哦。

So Oh.

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她现在面临的是另一件事——得抓住这十五分钟的热度,想办法趁势成长和发展。

She's now she's got a different thing, which is she's gonna have to make sure to to take advantage of her fifteen minutes of fame and figure out how to grow and develop, you know, and move through that.

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但如果她们找不到工作,这确实是个值得深思的问题。不过我这个人天生乐观,实在很难想象孩子们会像我当年那样,连份工作都找不到。

And so this but, gosh, if if they didn't get a job, I that's a very interesting question, and I I think I'm such an optimist that I really struggle to ever think that kids are gonna be in a position where I was I can't get a job.

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我真正相信的是。

Here's what I do believe.

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我觉得懂得努力工作的重要性非常关键。

I think the value of knowing how to work hard is important.

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所以我觉得,总能找到一些事情做,关键是趁现在培养那些能经得起考验的技能,找到真正值得投入的工作。

So I would say there's gotta be some place that you can find, you know, work to get to do and make sure, you know, now that you're building those skills that are gonna be resilient and, you know, finding that work.

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这又引出了另一个问题。

This this opens up such a another question.

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我前几天在X上看到埃隆·马斯克发的一段话,讲的是当我们真正进入一个资源极度丰富的世界时,会发生什么。

You know, I think I was reading something that Elon Musk had posted, you know, on X the other day around, you know, what happens when we really are in a world of total abundance.

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对。

Mhmm.

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没错。

Right?

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那时候我们可以实现全民基本收入。

Where we can have universal income.

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我觉得,那时候我们更需要帮助人们找到自己的使命和热情,让他们每天愿意起身去创造,哪怕不是为了生计。

Again, I think there we have to help people plug into what they believe their purpose and their passion is so that they have a desire to get up each day and go create even if it's not out of necessity.

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你帮孩子们弄清楚这一点,真是太棒了。

And that's what you help kids figure out, which is amazing.

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他们不是一味听老师安排,而是去探索自己。

Instead of just following whatever is whatever teachers tell them to do, they explore themselves.

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是的。

Yeah.

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明白了。

Okay.

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我最后一个问题是。

My last question.

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我们来总结成一句话吧。

Let's do the one sentence takeaway.

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如果有人看了这个,这周只做一件事,那会是什么?

If one person watches this, takes one action this week, what would it be?

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不管是专业人士、家长,还是任何观看的人。

A professional, a parent, whoever was watching.

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