乔纳·希尔现场直播

他脸上可没有一副讨人嫌的表情。

He doesn't have a shitty look on his face.

顺便说一句，你刚才描述我的时候，其实是在描述你自己。

And by the way, you just described yourself when you were describing me.

是的。

Yeah.

这难道不奇怪吗？

Isn't that wild?

不过，这不是很棒吗？

Anyway But you're Isn't that cool?

我简直不敢相信你真的能好好交流。

I just can't believe you can actually communicate.

她现在在空间站上。

So she's currently on the space

站。

station.

一直持续到九月。

Till September.

哇哦。

Wow.

我还在这儿抱怨去新泽西待三周呢。

And I'm complaining about going to Jersey for three weeks.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

但我们还能再跟她联系，随时都能上去找她。

But we we can talk to her again, like we can hop on there.

我问了她好多问题。

I asked her tons of questions.

她特别喜欢那儿。

She loves it.

他们很喜欢。

They love it.

JB，你有没有想过，如果你在那儿，脸附近，流体的流动会有什么不同？

JB, were you thinking about like how fluid would move differently if you were up there, like in your face and stuff?

没有。

No.

你确实会看起来有点浮肿，特别是当那些来自太空的小冲击发生的时候。

I the you do look puffy when they do those those little hits from out of space.

我可受不了这个。

I I wouldn't be into it.

对。

No.

对。

No.

我就在那儿做广播。

I just do radio from up there.

但确实会。

But it does.

它会飘起来。

It lifts.

无线电。

Radio.

抱歉，各位。

Sorry, guys.

摄像头又出问题了。

Camera's not working again.

来自太空的无线电。

Radio from space.

不。

No.

我不在意这个，只是有点烦。

I don't care about this is just a bit.

我不在乎

I don't care about

这些东西。

that stuff.

好吧。

Alright.

非常抱歉。

So sorry.

这里没有虚荣心。

There's no vanity.

好的。

Alright.

肖恩，你还有别的片段吗？

Sean, do you have any more bits?

还有别的内容给艾妮吗？

Any more stuff for Any

还有更多提前录好的内容吗，肖恩？

more pre taped, Sean?

有。

Yeah.

我有我

I have I

我总是有很多素材。

always have tons of stuff.

你刚说我们从不提前安排，可你却放了个视频片段。

I just said that we never do anything planned, then you did a went to a video package.

对。

Yeah.

嗯，我

Well, I

我想确保给她留了空间，但我不知道该怎么规划。

I wanted to make sure I wanted to make sure I left space for her, but I didn't know how to plan it.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我找不到我的开场白了。

I can't find my intro

我写的那个。

that I wrote

这简直太真实了。

for the This freaking is so real.

迈克尔，把那些卡片拿给我。

Michael, bring me those cards down, please.

该死。

God damn it.

这个是

This is

那还有别的事吗？

So what else is going on?

太不可思议了。

Unreal.

你知道吗，我最近刚戒了烟。

You know, I just quit smoking recently.

不可能。

No.

你真的戒了？

You didn't.

什么？

What?

你真的戒了？

You did?

烟熏枫糖巴特曼。

Smokey Maple Bateman.

是的。

Yeah.

枫糖

Maple.

枫糖·贝特曼

Maple Bateman.

行吧。

Alright.

今晚肯定要搞砸了。

This is gonna be a disaster tonight.

行吧。

Alright.

现在开始即兴发挥。

Freestyling now.

介绍下《It》

Intro the It

可能会很短。

could be short.

这人。

This guy.

我是个演员。

I'm an actor.

这剧本本来就是为我写的，然后我就

I this is supposed to be written for me and I then I

看得出来。

can see.

我看得出你满头大汗。

I can see your sweat.

我知道。

I know.

我现在汗如雨下。

I'm in deep sweat right now.

好吧。

Okay.

这个人真是特别到极致了。

So this is a fella who he is extreme.

我觉得他是我们这个时代最出色的喜剧演员之一。

I think he's one of the greatest comedic actors we have.

毫无疑问。

Full stop.

明白吗？

Okay?

这已经是个不错的开端了，对吧？

That's A, that's a good start, right?

你看我，但他不只是让你笑，有时候还让你哭。

See me But he doesn't just make you laugh, he makes you cry sometimes.

你看

Look at

还有那些手机的事

what else with all the phones

起来了吧？现在怎么样？

are up, what's going on?

我感觉就像爱莉安娜·格兰德。

I feel like Ariana Grande.

他凭几部正经电影两次获得奥斯卡提名，对吧？

He's been nominated twice for an Oscar for fancy movies, right?

不只是演喜剧。

Not just the comedy stuff.

这人可不得了。

This guy's a big shot.

哇哦。

Wow.

他还会写剧本、当导演，拍过几部片子。

He's also writes and directs movies, done a few of those.

是瑞恩·雷诺兹吗？

What is it, Ryan Reynolds?

不是。

No.

他还没写过或导演过电影。

He hasn't written or directed a film yet.

我发现他虽然才华横溢，但心地更善良，因为我们过去几年成了朋友。

And and I have found that while he's incredibly talented, his heart's even bigger because we've become friends over the past few years.

你记得他演的《忘了莎拉·马歇尔》。

You know him from forgetting Sarah Marshall.

你记得他演的《性爱狂想曲》和《四十岁的老处男》。

You know him from Knocked Up, 40 year old virgin.

你记得他演的《超级坏》《点球成金》《华尔街之狼》，各位，独一无二的乔纳·希尔。

You know him from Superbad Moneyball, Wolf of Wall Street, ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Jonah Hill.

当然，我一身汗。

Of course, I'm sweating.

我在想，他到底要说什么啊？

I'm like, what is he gonna say, dude?

嘿，乔纳，最近怎么样？

What's up, Jonah?

你最近还好吗？

How are

挺好的，谢谢。

you?

我

I

我本来就已经紧张了。

was already nervous.

我当时就想，他该不会又要搞砸了吧？

I'm like, oh, he already fucking

喂。

yo.

乔纳，你后台到底在想什么？当贝特曼彻底搞砸的时候，你心里在想什么？

What were you thinking Jonah, what were you thinking backstage when Bateman blew it with the It's just a total wipeout.

我最近才重新回到人群里，像这种场合什么的。

I I I I'm just coming back out here, like, in crowds and stuff.

我老婆也来了。

My wife's here.

他现在在圣地亚哥，我就想，哎，他。

I'm like and and I'm like because he's down in San Diego now.

杰森会帮我安排一下。

Jason's gonna hook me up.

他说：‘哎，我没准备开场词。’

And he's like, oh, I don't have an intro.

我就坐在后台想，他肯定要说，‘这是个哥们儿。’

So I'm sitting back there going like he's gonna go, he's a guy Yeah.

我跟他挺熟的，平时也发消息，我就想，完了，他八成写了段挺走心的，结果现在肯定被剪得稀碎，就剩一句……

That I'm friends with, I text with, and like, I was like, oh fuck, he probably wrote something nice and now it's going to get like dumbed You down to, you

你懂的，随机应变吧。

know how to improvise.

我即兴发挥还行，但你才是真大神。

I'm all right at the improvising, but you're the mac daddy.

你和文斯·沃恩，没人比得上。

You and Vince Vaughn, no one better.

太厉害了。

Brilliant.

绝对的。

Ever.

太厉害了。

Brilliant.

好吧。

All right.

没错。

So right.

你并不是总站在人群前面。

So you're not in front of you're not in front of crowds all the time.

你不在那里

You're not

在洛杉矶。

up in LA.

你大部分时间都在圣地亚哥，没错。

You're down in San Diego for the most part That's right.

哦，你住在圣地亚哥？

Oh, you live in San Diego?

是的。

Oh, yes.

明白了。

So okay.

在继续之前，我简单说一下。

So real quick before we go any further.

我妻子在这儿。

My my wife is here.

我的最好的朋友兼生意伙伴马特·肖特·戴恩斯，向我美丽的妻子莉芙问好。

My best friend and business partner, Matt Shout Dines is out to my beautiful wife, Liv.

她在哪儿？

Where is she?

宝贝，最近怎么样？

What's up, baby?

我住在圣地亚哥的一个小镇上，地方虽小，但特别棒，邻居们也都特别好。

And then so so I live in a very small town in San Diego and it's amazing and my neighbors are incredible people.

三年前我们有了第一个孩子，就搬到了那里。

And when we had our first kid, moved out there three years ago.

我的邻居们都特别有意思。

And my neighbors are so cool.

我想离开洛杉矶，在洛杉矶之外的地方安家，远离娱乐行业。

I I want to leave LA and raise a family outside of Los Angeles and and away from entertainment.

所以我也许以后会再回来。

So I can maybe come back and then

是的

Yeah.

来回奔波吧。

You know, go back and forth.

我的邻居们都特别棒。

And my neighbors are so cool.

他们从不对我另眼相待，也不打听我的工作之类的事。

They never like treat me weird or ask me about my job or anything.

我的一位邻居是我很好的朋友，医生肖恩。

And my neighbor is one of my great friends, doctor Sean.

他从来不会问这些，他今晚也在场。

He never he never asked he's here tonight.

哇哦。

Woah.

等等。

But hold on.

他从来没打扰过我，也没好奇地问过我这个人怎么样。

He never bothered me or was like, oh, what's this person like?

后来，大概过了一年，我们俩在桑拿房里放松，就像两个爸爸一样，他突然说：我能问你一个问题吗？

And then like after like a year, we were in the sauna just chilling like two dads and he goes he goes, can I ask you one question?

我当时就说：当然可以，老兄。

And I was like, yeah, sure, man.

他问：杰森·贝特曼这个人怎么样？

And he's like, is Jason Bateman a cool guy?

那是他唯一一次问起娱乐圈的事，我就说：他真是个了不起的人。

And that was his one question about show business and I was like, yeah, he's an amazing guy.

他听了之后就说：哦，是吗？

And he and he and he goes, he's Uh-huh.

他还说：这简直太酷了。

Like he's like, it's fucking cool.

我特别喜欢他。

I'm a big fan of his.

给肖恩医生、鲍勃医生、海蒂和劳拉点个赞。

So shout out to doctor Sean and doctor Bob and Heidi and Laura.

我真的很喜欢你们。

I love you guys.

欢迎你们。

Welcome.

你知道吗？

You know what?

听起来啊，J.B.，你也能跟这些哥们儿一起进桑拿房了。

It sounds like, j b, you might be able to get in that sauna with these guys.

是啊。

Yeah.

听我说。

Listen.

我特别喜欢

I love

真是太好了

a What good

你觉得呢，约翰医生？

do think, doc John?

你觉得JB在桑拿里效果怎么样？

You think JB is good in the sauna?

我在桑拿房里感觉特别舒服。

I get super nice in the Schvitz.

乔纳。

Jonah.

是的。

Yeah.

很高兴见到大家。

Nice to see you all.

谢谢你们

Thanks for

谢谢您邀请我。

thanks for having me.

乔纳，谢谢你做这件事。

Jonah, thank you for doing this.

这根本不用犹豫，你直接就答应了。

This is a very easy no, and you said yes.

你其实只要说，我现在在圣地亚哥就行。

You know, you could just say, oh, I'm down in San Diego now.

你知道的。

You know?

我们今天开车过来的。

We drove in today.

对吧？

It was Right?

那你今晚会住下，还是开车回去？

Now, will you stay overnight or will you drive back?

是的。

Yeah.

我们住酒店。

We're staying at a hotel.

我们把两个孩子都带来了，

We brought both our kids and

那真好。

Oh, that's nice.

我们刚生了个小宝宝，才出生没多久，还有一个快三岁的孩子，

We have a new little baby who's like it was just a brand new baby, and then we have an almost three year old,

这真不错。

That's Both so nice.

那现在你最想念洛杉矶的什么？

So now what do you miss about LA?

你过来的时候，最喜欢做什么？

When you come up, what do you like to do?

你

You

哦，啥都不懂。

Oh, know nothing.

城市漫步。

City walk.

我在这儿长大的。

I grew up here.

九十年代的洛杉矶真是个超棒的成长地，你随时能去市中心滑滑板，偷偷溜进电影首映礼，或者潜入脱口秀俱乐部看克里斯·洛克之类的明星，能接触到娱乐圈的东西，也能接触到朋克、滑板、涂鸦这些叛逆的玩意儿。

It's LA was such a cool place to grow up in the nineties because you could like, you know, you could go skateboard downtown or you could sneak into a movie premiere or you could go sneak into a comedy club and see like Chris Rock or some, you know, you had access to like show business stuff, but you had access to like punk and and and skating and graffiti and all the like naughty stuff.

那时候还没互联网。

And there was no internet.

简直太棒了。

It was just so awesome.

对吧。

Right.

所以你那时候经常滑滑板，对吧？

And it was So you were skating, right?

因为你的第一部电影是九十年代中期的，特别棒，说明你至少对滑板文化很熟悉。

Because your first film mid nineties, is awesome, that like you certainly were at least familiar with the skating culture.

是的，没错。

Were Yeah.

你懂滑板公园的玩法吗？

Do you know your way around a skate park?

那当然了。

I I mean, yeah.

我每天都在滑滑板，别提了。

Still skateboard every day, come on.

真的吗？

You do?

真的？

Really?

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

我女儿枫叶今天早上我带她去了山谷那边的Pedlo滑板公园。

Because my daughter Maple is I took her to the skate park this morning, Pedlo over there in the valley.

她正在练习Pop Shove It和Ollie。

She's working on Pop Shove Its, Ollie's.

她上周末才第一次滑下去。

She just dropped in last weekend.

你现在已经比我当年强多了。

You're already better than I ever was.

我说我每天滑滑板，现在和我儿子一起玩冲浪板，那要简单多了。

When I say I skateboard every day, now with my son we surfskate, which is like way easier.

我现在都不做花式动作了。

It's like I don't do tricks or anything anymore.

我年纪大了。

I'm too old.

我都四十了，所以啊。

I'm 40 So two

玩滑浪板就是踩着长板随便溜达。

surfskate means you're on a longboard and you just kinda cruise.

别太夸张了。

Let's not go crazy.

我不是在玩长板，杰森。

I'm not on a longboard, Jason.

你明明就是。

Sure you

以前是纯粹的。

were pure.

但那是以前了。

But Yeah.

所以你

So you

稍微接触过一点滑板文化。

were part of that skate culture just a little bit.

是吗？

Yeah?

我特别喜欢。

I loved it.

对。

Yeah.

那感觉太棒了。

It was amazing.

小时候，只要是跟滑板、嘻哈或者喜剧有关的东西，我全都沉迷其中，别的什么都不想干。

Like, anything skating, hip hop, and comedy when I was a kid, I was like anything about any of it, all I could do.

你以前有没有碰上过斯派克·琼斯？

Did you cross paths with Spike Jones at all back in the day?

我跟他合作过很多次，斯派克是我最重要的导师，也是我最好的朋友之一。

Well, did a ton, and Spike is my biggest mentor and one of my best friends.

真是了不起的导演。

Incredible director.

人也特别好。

What a nice guy too.

他绝对是那种极其出色的人。

He's like one of the most amazing people.

在我拍《中九》之前，我是在他家写的《中九》的剧本。

And and and before I directed Mid 90, I wrote Mid ninety's at his apartment.

真的吗？

Oh, really?

还有纽约。

And New York.

那时候我们俩都住在纽约。

We were both living in New York.

我基本上花了五年时间，你知道的，就在那之后发生了什么？

And I basically spent like five years, you know, after kind of what was it?

我离开了一阵子，现在才慢慢回来。

Like, I've been gone for a while, so I'm kind of coming back.

我真的很兴奋。

And I'm, like, excited.

因为之前我变得特别严肃，也不再像以前那样开心了。

Because I got all, like, serious for a while, and I wasn't Happy to asshole.

一点都不开心。

Wasn't happy.

后来我有了家庭，现在我只想重新变得有趣起来，你知道吧？

And then I met I had my family, and now all I want do is be funny again, you know?

所以现在呢，

So like it's

你之前是

You were

一直都很有趣。

always funny.

这真是

It's a

彻底搞砸了。

freaking bust.

所以我才答应了，因为我就是想站到台上，痛痛快快地逗大家笑，那才叫过瘾，太棒了。

It's just like that's why I said yes, because I'm like I want to go fucking be funny in front of a crowd and that'd be awesome, That's you great.

但你的幽默感，现在是不是来自更深层的东西了？

But the humor, do you find that the humor is coming from a more substantial place now?

你本身天生就爱搞笑，这点改不了，但你现在有了更丰富的内心体验，更了解自己，层层剥开之后，有了更多素材可以用来支撑你的幽默。

That that it's, I mean you're still, you couldn't shake funny if you tried, but now you've got whole deeper well of of reflection and knowing yourself more, and you've you've peeled the onion, and now you've got a bunch of other stuff to draw upon to feed your humor.

没错。

Yes?

是的。

Yeah.

你替我说吧。

Think, I mean, speak for me.

没问题。

That's fine.

这可是我的拿手好戏。

That's my special.

嘿，各位。

Hey, guys.

我其实不用在这儿。

I don't need to be here.

没人介绍，我直接开车回圣地亚哥就行了。

There's no intro, and I just drive back to San Diego.

别给自己添麻烦。

Don't bug myself.

我把问题和答案都放进去，然后就说——

I put the question and the answer in it, then I say,

本可以的。

could have yeah.

他本来可以直接深入的。

Just deep He could have just

直接拉近，没错。

zoomed Yeah.

他本来可以直接拉近的。

He could have just zoomed

不，这样挺好，确实不错。

No, that is a good that's a good

谢谢。

Thank you.

下一个问题。

Next question.

不行。

No.

但当你心情低落的时候，你就没心思去逗人笑了。

But it's more like like if you're bummed, you don't feel like being that funny.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

而当你开心的时候，我一有了孩子，特别兴奋，就突然想起自己十二岁那会儿，纯粹为了好玩才搞笑的日子。

And if you're happy, the first thing I thought about when I got like like had my kids and was so stoked, it was like, I I connected to back when I was just like 12 and I was just being funny for fun.

对。

Right.

那一刻我才明白，这正是我一辈子真正热爱的东西。

And I was like, that's the thing I fell in love with my whole life.

我这一生都在钻研《辛普森一家》和喜剧的历史。

Like I I dedicated my whole life to learning everything about The Simpsons and comedy Oh, history.

你小时候在九十年代，谁对你影响最大？

Who did you when you were growing up in the nineties, who were your influences?

你小时候觉得谁特别搞笑？哪个演员或者哪部剧让你觉得太有意思了？

Who who were you like, god, that that guy is so funny or that show is so funny?

所有都算。

Everything.

不管好坏，只要是好的，我都看。

Like anything good, bad, or in between, it was

就像杰森说的，你即兴发挥的能力真的太强了。

like But like you but you're so like Jason said, you're such a genius at improvisation.

我第一次见你是在一档叫《校园女郎》的节目里。

The first time I saw you was on a show called Campus Ladies.

对。

Yes.

我一个特别好的朋友，凯莉·艾斯利，今天也来了。

And one of my best friends, Carrie Aisley, is here.

她来了吗？

Is she here?

她就在那儿。

She's right there.

卡莉。

Carrie.

卡莉。

Carrie.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

你上过那个节目。

You were on the show

和她一起。

with her.

天哪。

Oh my god.

嘿，Carrie。

Hey, Carrie.

那你呢？

And you

你见过肖恩医生吗？

met doctor Sean?

天啊，Carrie，Carrie，Sean。

Dude, Carrie Carrie Sean

没能约上。

couldn't get

他们，你可能见不到他。

them, You probably can't see him.

Carrie给了我一个大机会。

Carrie gave me a huge break.

谢谢你，Carrie。

Thank you, Carrie.

你在我十八岁的时候给了我一个天大的机会。

You gave me a huge fucking break when I was like 18.

是的。

Yeah.

但我看了你在那个节目里的表现，心想，难怪你一下子火了。

But but I watched you on that show, and I'm like, my, of course you skyrocketed.

你真是个天才的表演者、演员，还有即兴高手，样样都棒。

You were a brilliant performer, actor, improviser, all of it.

我当时就在想，这人到底是谁？

And I I was just like, who is this person?

所以你一定是因为

So you must have

主要靠《辛普森一家》出名的。

had Mostly the Simpsons.

我觉得《辛普森一家》绝对是全世界最了不起的节目之一，要是真有什么对我人生影响最大的，那就是它了。

I think the Simpsons is like the number one thing in the entire world like, if anything's left an impact on my life, it'd be the Simpsons over there.

这是有史以来最出色的喜剧剧本之一。

It's some of the greatest comedy writing of all time.

这重量实在太大了。

It's pretty it's like such a heavy weight.

但那里面根本谈不上表演，除了配音之外。

But it was but that's that was obviously there's no acting in that except for the voices obviously.

那你当时有关注它的剧本创作吗？

Were so were you following like the the writing of that?

对你来说，写剧本才是最初的起点，而不是表演？

Was writing the first poll for you, not performing?

所以如果

So if

你半夜把我摇醒，问我你是干什么的，

you like shook me in the middle of the night and like, what do you do?

我会说，我是个喜剧编剧。

I'd be like, I'm a comedy writer.

我就是干这个的。

That's what I do.

我每天都会写段子。

Like, I write jokes every day.

我会去写剧本。

Like, I go and write scripts.

你不知道这些，因为你只看到表面的东西。

Like, you don't know this because you just see the front side of it.

但我大部分工作都是写喜剧电影。

But I'm most of my job is writing comedy movies.

我主要就是做这个。

That's like mostly what I do.

我年轻的时候，会用录像机录下《辛普森一家》，然后暂停在编剧名单上，给他们每人写信。

And when I was young, I would VHS record The Simpsons and then pause it on the writers and write them all letters.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

直到今天，我最重要的导师和朋友之一还是大卫·梅尔金，他是《辛普森一家》里非常有名的编剧。

And to this day, one of my biggest mentors and friends is David Merkin, who's like an iconic Simpsons writer.

每次你来参加我电影初剪版的放映会提意见，大卫·梅尔金都会出席每一次放映。

And every time like you've been to a screening of early cuts in my movies for notes, like David Merkin comes to every single screening

真的吗。

Wow.

每一场剧本朗读会他都来。

Every table read.

他可是我小时候的偶像。

And he was like my childhood hero.

我七岁、八岁的时候，就给他写了好多封信。

So I wrote them all letters when I was like seven, eight years old.

那时候，那就是我的梦想。

And that was my dream.

如果我能给《辛普森一家》写剧本，那简直太棒了。

Like like if I had written for the Simpsons, that's like would have been more

够多了吧？你写过《辛普森一家》的样片吗？

than enough for Did you write a spec Simpson script?

写过。

Yeah.

我写过好几部

I've written a

从那以后写了好多样片

ton of specs since

哦，是吗？

I Oh, did?

他们买过或者选中过吗？

Did they ever buy one or pick no.

没有。

No.

我根本没把它们寄过去。

I never like sent them to them.

我写的时候就想，哦，对啊。

I wrote them like Oh, yeah.

就像个八岁孩子写的。

As like an eight year old.

是的。

Yeah.

他们根本接收不到，对吧。

They can't receive if they well, right.

明白了。

Okay.

他们只是

They're just

一个八岁孩子。

an eight year old.

那后来是什么时候，表演这部分才开始有起色的？

Well then when did the when did the performance part of it start to take hold?

你是什么时候觉得自己能站在镜头前的？

Like when did you think that you could be in front of the camera?

我觉得你们三个都是爱表现的喜剧型人格，没错。

Well, gotta think all three of you were like hams, comedic hams, Yeah.

后来发生了什么？

What happened?

你是突然就走神了吗？

Like, did you just drift off?

他就是有嗜睡症。

I just he's narcoleptic.

他说我们都爱表现。

He said he said we're all hams.

我觉得是三个都这样。

I think all three.

对。

Yeah.

全都是戏精。

All hams.

你们小时候肯定就特别爱表现。

Must have been hams when you were little kids.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

确实如此。

Yeah.

比如我父母家要是有聚会，我就会表演一段喜剧秀。

Like, if there was like a party at my parents' house, I'd do like a comedy show.

我觉得在座的各位都能感同身受。

Feel like everyone here can relate to that.

没错。

Absolutely.

那时候大家总是说：‘你真有意思。’

It was just always like people were like, oh, you're you're funny.

到了中学，别人家长就跟我的父母说：‘你们该让孩子去当喜剧演员。’

And then when I got to middle school, people's parents were like, you should pull them out of school to my parents and like make them a comedian.

哦，真的吗。

Oh, wow.

是的。

Yeah.

大家都说，因为呢

People were like Because say

你去的那些学校里，有些孩子家里是搞这一行的，对吧。

you were you were going to schools where there were some people that were in the business like the Yeah.

中心

Center

顺便说一句，人家都觉得我是靠爹的。

and People think I'm a nepo baby by the way.

我和我老婆刚还在笑，说我真是靠爹的。

My wife and I were just laughing about this that I'm a nepo baby.

我老爸就是个会计。

My dad's a fucking accountant.

要是你去问那些人，他可是拍了不少片子呢。

If you would ask these guys and he directs a lot of shit.

你会不会雇你业务经理的儿子来干

Do you ever hire your business manager's son for

就就是

for for

干个黑兔子这种活儿？是吧。

a fucking Black Rabbit or Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

不是。

No.

你找杰菲·戈德斯坦来演那种狠角色，但是——

You hire Jeffy Goldstein to play like the heavy and but,

不过，乔纳，我们认识的时候你多大了？

like, we But, Jonah, how old were you when we met?

我们认识的时候你还是个孩子。

We met when you were you were like a you were young.

威尔，我们要不要休息一下吃点东西？

Will, should we take a snack break?

好。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你那时候经常在我学校附近晃悠，像——

You were, like, hanging out at my school, like

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

我们当时穿着一件风衣。

We were a trench coat on.

对。

Yeah.

不行。

No.

那是个不一样的清醒状态吗？

That was a different sober?

这完全是另一回事。

That's something different.

好的。

Okay.

行吧。

Alright.

行吧。

Alright.

行吧。

Alright.

不行。

No.

我当时是以身作则。

It was at, like I'm leading by example.

你之前有一辆那种房车

You had this, like, van

那是在滑冰场的时候。

It was at the roller skating.

所以我去了叫Crossroads的学校，那可是个巨大的优势——如果你在这儿长大，又上这所学校，那里的学生家长全都在娱乐行业工作。

So I went to the school called Crossroads, which is a, like, full leg up because if you grow out here and go to this school, everybody's parents are in entertainment.

所以公平地说，这工作并不遥远。

So to be fair, it wasn't an abstract job.

那才是我真正的大跳板，因为那里的学生家长，全都在娱乐行业。

That was, like, my big leg up where I was, like, everybody's parents here works in entertainment.

所以如果你想给《辛普森一家》写剧本，这想法也没那么离谱。

So if you wanna, like, write for the Simpsons, that's not the craziest idea in the entire world.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

所以这让我觉得娱乐行业没那么遥不可及了。

You So that was get an a huge leg up for me to just not be like show business as abstract and far away.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

我们当时

We were

是啊。

Well Yeah.

我们当时就在亨利·温克尔那里。

We were literally at it was Henry Winkle.

我们正在做第一季的前期开发。

We were doing the first season of rest of development.

有次周六我去那儿吃早餐，你和麦克斯也在。

I went over there for breakfast one Saturday, you and Max were were So

马克斯是我高中时最好的朋友。

Max was like my best friend in high school.

他是亨利的儿子，人特别棒，也是一位出色的导演。

Henry's son, and he's an amazing guy and a great director.

出色的导演。

Great director.

他现在拍了很多瑞恩·墨菲的作品。

Directs a lot of the Ryan Murphy stuff right here.

他拍了太多精彩的作品，我超喜欢他。

A ton of amazing Love him.

他刚拍的查理·汉纳姆那部剧简直太棒了。

The Charlie Hunnam show he just did was incredible.

《怪胎》这部剧。

Freak mon monster.

是的。

Yeah.

真是怪物级的人物。

Monsters.

他太棒了。

He's great.

他确实很棒。

He's great.

他这个人也非常出色。

And he's an amazing dude.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我认识了威尔，我记得第一次见威尔的情景。

And so I met Will, and I remember meeting Will.

那时候你还小。

You were a kid.

我当时特别兴奋，因为我在《 Arrested Development》里为他哥哥实习，刚崭露头角。

I was so hyped because arrest I was interning for his brother in Arrested Development and just come out.

而且

And

杰克·霍夫曼也是你的一个朋友。

And Jake Hoffman was another buddy of yours.

是的。

Yeah.

他不是也在《 Arrested Development》实习过吗？

He he interned on Arrested Development, didn't he?

是的。

Yeah.

达斯汀·霍夫曼。

Dustin Hoffman.

那是个电视剧吗？

Is that a TV show?

哦。

Oh.

是的。

Yeah.

《发展受阻》。

Arrested Development.

你知道吗，肖恩，这部剧特别搞笑。

You know Sean It's very funny.

乔纳，肖恩从来没看过。

Jonah, Sean's never seen it.

从来没看过？真的吗？

Never Is seen that real?

一点都没看过。

Not a bit.

是真的。

It's real.

压根儿没看过。

Never seen it.

真的假的。

It's real.

这节目

It's

真的挺棒。

real.

我看过第一集。

I saw the first episode.

你们这些人

You guys

拥有

have the

娱乐圈里最棒的工作。

best job in show business.

我特别羡慕你们，因为我们还在拍呢。

I'm so jealous of you guys because We are on it.

这是你加入我们的方式。

This is you're joining us.

我们打算取代好莱坞。

We're looking to replace Hollywood.

但你们想想，这就像在编剧室里，跟朋友瞎聊而已，还不用真把东西拍出来。

But like, you guys have like, it's like being in a writer's room, like you're just bullshitting with your friends, but you don't have to make the thing at the end.

所以你只要拿一亿美元的薪水，去编剧室露个脸就行，根本不用想好笑的桥段，也不用删掉烂的段子。

So you just get paid $100,000,000 to just show up to the writers and never have to like make the good jokes in or edit out the bad ones.

你就只想往沙发上一瘫，点个外卖，算了。

You're just like, man, let's just jump on couch and order food and No.

我心想：天哪。

I'm like shit.

好吧，但等等。

All right, but still wait.

你想当编剧，那就在学校里开始干，那些通往娱乐行业的路径其实挺现实的，但你到底多大年纪时，才第一次有了上镜头的点子，然后真的实现了呢？

So, you want to be a writer, you start doing it at a you're in a school, schools where the pathway to entertainment industry is is not unreasonable, but at what age do you do you get the first sort of on camera idea and then it actually happens?

你还在上高中吗？

Are are you still you're still in high school?

我当时18岁。

I was 18.

刚毕业我就开始工作了。

So like fresh out of high school, I started working.

那第一份工作是什么？

And So what's that first job?

你找经纪人了吗？

Do you get an agent?

没有。

No.

没有。

No.

没有。

No.