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我不知道这个。告诉我，维基百科在这里提到的大卫·蔡斯（David Chase）到底是什么？

I didn't know about this. Tell me what tell me about what what is this David Chase thing that Wikipedia is talking about here?

哦，说到这个，其实那部电影是我的第二部电影。

Oh, so there's actually speaking of, so that I that was my second movie.

就是《这不是告别》（This is Not Fade Away）吗？

This is Not Fade Away?

是《这不是告别》（Not Fade Away）。这还有一个疯狂的故事。那是我第一次去洛杉矶，当时我刚满17岁，就是我17岁之后大概一个月。我记得这么清楚是因为那是在三月，到处都是紫色的树。

Not Fade Away. And there this is a crazy story. So my first time going to LA, I was was I I just turned 17. It was, like, a month after I turned 17. And I only remember this because it was, like, in March and all the purple, you know, trees.

我以前从没见过那样的景象。是蓝花楹，对，蓝花楹。

I I never seen anything like that before. Jackarandas. Yeah. Yeah. Jackarandas.

蓝花楹。对。我记得当时就在蓝花楹树下。

Jackarandas. Yeah. And I remember being Jackarandas.

你17岁的时候是一个人去的，还是和妈妈一起来的？

And were you alone at 17, or did you come out with mom?

不是一个人。我和妈妈还有我的表演教练一起来的。

No. I came out with mom and and my acting coach

哦，对了。

Oh, yeah.

在

At the

你知道，然后

you know, and

你住在橡树林了吗？

Did you stay at the Oakwoods?

是的。你也住了吗？

Yeah. You did?

你真的住那儿了吗？

Did you really?

就在附近。是的。然后

Like, near nearby. Yeah. And

哦，我住了。

Oh, I did.

我们根本不知道任何地方在哪儿。那时候GPS才刚出来，一直在重新计算路线，一直这样，简直疯了。然后

We didn't know where anything was. This was like, GPS was new, so it was, like, recalculating. It was, like, all the time. Was so crazy. And

听起来你妈妈开车时也跟你一样有天赋啊？

Sounds like mom was as gifted as you are behind the wheel?

是的，重新计算路线。没错。重新计算路线。完全一样。

Yeah. Recalculating. Yes. Recalculating. Exactly.

但那件事很特别，我记得那时候我每天都疯狂地去试镜、面试，而就在同一天我要去拍摄大卫·蔡斯的项目，其实我试镜的是另一个角色，但他后来干脆专门为我写了一个角色。

But it was one of those things that I had crazy, like, callbacks, auditions, like, every single day while I was doing that one day of shoot for the David Chase project that he he basically, like, wrote that part for me because I auditioned for a different part.

好的。

Okay.

我没能得到詹姆斯·加特菲尼女儿的角色。他写信说，我为你写了一个角色，是在一个梦幻场景里的。

And I didn't get I didn't get James Gattelfini's daughter. He wrote he was like, I wrote a part for you, and it was, like, in this dream sequence.

嗯。

Yeah.

那是我第一次去洛杉矶。在飞机上，我的眼睛感染特别严重。去的路上，我的眼睛流出了绿色的脓，就像绿色的黏液一样，特别可怕。

So that was my first time in LA. And on the plane, I got the worst eye infection Ugh. On my way there. I had green pus coming out of my eye, like, green goo. It was terrible.

我当时安排了好多试镜，好多复试。比如有些复试，我只能看着它们，心想，这些会议现在都在哪儿啊？对，对，我觉得这些安排简直疯了。

And I had all these auditions booked, all these callbacks. Like, sometime these callbacks, I'm looking at them, like, where where where are these meetings now? Like Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, these meetings were crazy.

然后我有了

And I have

那件事。你当时一定紧张得要命。

thing. You must have been just a nervous wreck that

你根本不可能去参加。疼痛难忍。所以那次复试，我参加的那次复试，当时有很多试镜、复试和会面，但还好不是传染性的。我去看了医生，他们说没问题，但看起来真的很糟糕，简直就是视觉污染。

you didn't show up against. Pain cut. So this so this callback this callback that I had so there was all these callbacks and auditions and meetings with this, like and it wasn't, you know, contagious. So I went to a doctor, and they're like, yeah. You're fine, but it just looks it's literally an eyesore.

然后我接到一个电话。嗯，我本来要和克莱尔丹斯进行一次试戏配合，所以我只能带着眼睛感染去找她试戏，还得不停地道歉，基本上就是在解释我的眼睛状况。

And I got this phone call. Well, I had a chemistry read with Clairdanes, so I had to, like, go in with an eye infection with Clairdanes, and I had to, like, apologize, basically explain my eye

对的。

Right.

那场面太可怕了。

Which was horrific.

别看这个，看这个。

Don't look at this one. Look at this one.

是啊，所谓的‘眼睛’。

Yeah. So called eye.

然后是‘非威尔’。

And then Not Will.

那太棒了。然后就在这些会议来回进行的中间，我完全不知道自己要去哪儿，之前也从来没去过洛杉矶。这时我接到经理的一个电话，大概是在我去纽约之前的几个星期，我参加了一部暂定名为保罗·托马斯·安德森电影的试镜。

That is great. And then in the middle of all these meetings, going back and forth, didn't know where I was going, never been to LA, I got a call from my manager, and, like, a few weeks before I went out in New York, I went on this audition for an untitled Paul Thomas Anderson film.

嗯，嗯。

Mhmm. Mhmm.

有电话在响吗？我听不清楚。

Is there a phone ringing? I can't

是你自己发出的声音。

No. You made a name of

这部电影？哦，我不知道发生了什么，抱歉。

the film? Oh. I don't know what's going on. Sorry.

我没看过那部。

I didn't see that one.

是的。还有，顺便说一句，

Yeah. And By

这会是一个很棒的保罗

the way, it would be a great title for a Paul

托马斯·安德森的名字。

Thomas Anderson.

没有电话响。根本没有电话响。

There's no phone ringing. There's no phone ringing.

没错。没有。所以那是一部尚未命名的保罗·托马斯·安德森电影。我当时16岁，他们打电话来，说：‘他想见你一面。’

Exactly. No. So it was it was an untitled Paul Thomas Anderson film. I was 16, and they called in. They're like, he wants to meet with you.

所以我参加了那次试镜，后来发现是为《大师》（The Master）试镜的。

So I had that, and then I it turned out to be for the masters.

哦，太棒了。我超喜欢

Oh, wow. I love

我也很喜欢。是的。不过我当时眼睛感染了。我那次试镜简直疯狂。是的。

it too. Yeah. And but I had this eye infection. Like, I had this crazy chemistry read. And yeah.

但那是我第一次去洛杉矶。就在那个星期，我遇到了弗雷德·鲁斯（Fred Roose）。我当时17岁。他就是，你知道的……对，一位制片人。

But that was my first time in LA. And then also who I met that week was Fred Roose. I was 17 years old. He was like one of, you know Yeah. Producer Sure.

《教父》的制片人。是的。不过那时我已经见过他了。当时我周五眼睛的情况才有所缓解。但在那期间，我也没有退缩，只是想告诉你，你知道的，我把关键点都告诉你了。

Of The Godfather. Yeah. But then by then, I met him. It was like a Friday in my eye, like, calmed down. But during that time, I also did not fade away just to give you you know, I'm giving you the bullet

你和弗雷德·拉塞尔见面是谈了些什么？

What were you meeting with Fred Russe about?

我想就是一次普通的会面吧。我不太清楚。

Just a general meeting, I guess. I don't know. It

他是不是给了你一个你无法拒绝的提议？

was Did kind of he make you an offer you couldn't refuse?

或者不是。他

Or Hell. No. He

我只是见了他一面。

just I met I just met with him.

当时是觉得好吧。我只是想，也许 是的。

Was like okay. I just thought maybe Yeah.

所以就从那件事跳转到 是的。

So jump jump from that to Yeah.

但那是我第一次去洛杉矶。简直太疯狂了。

But that was my first time in LA. Like, crazy.

哇。所以如果你现在从当初起步的阶段跳转到现在，你刚刚连续第三次获得艾美奖中的第一个，顺便说一句，真是难以置信。你当时获奖的感觉如何？你刚刚获得了艾美奖。

Wow. So if if you will make the make a big huge leap now from, you know, your sort of nascent stage there, and now you've just won your first Emmy of three consecutive Emmys, by the way. Unbelievable. What did that feel so you've just won an Emmy.

真是了不起的连胜。

What a streak.

真是了不起的连胜。

What a streak.

连续三年保持不败。

Unbeaten three year in a row.

那是什么样的感受？从个人和职业角度来看，发生了巨大的变化，还是一个逐渐的过程？抱歉，我要重新组织一下问题。

What was what what what was that like? Did personally and professionally, was there a big sea change, or was it sort of a gradual thing? Or sorry. I'm recalling that. Here's the question.

获得艾美奖后的第二天，是否和你小时候做梦时想象的一样？非常好，非常棒。

Did the next day after winning an Emmy feel like you thought it would when you allowed yourself to dream back from little kid? Very good. Very good.

首先，Jason，我想说的是，能够一直和你合作真的是一个梦想。我指的是整个过程。事实上，第二天并没有让人感到沮丧，反而让人意识到过程本身有多么重要。

Well, first of all, Jason, I just wanna say, like, the the it's, you know, it was such a dream working with you this whole time This is or that whole time of the the just the the and what I mean is is, like, the process. It really the next day, it was not not depressing. It was not depressing, but it it made you look at how important the process is

嗯。

Mhmm.

以及经历本身，而不是结果。

And the experience rather than the result

是的，没错。

Yeah. That's right.

在某种程度上是这样。说得好。

In a way. Amen.

那么，现在怎么办？

And Now what?

从某种意义上说，它是一种象征。它就像一个很棒的、令人惊叹的象征，仿佛是一次机会。但在这次机会之后，你又开始寻找新的过程，因为

It's a token in a way. It's like it's a great it's an amazing token, and it's like an opportunity for things. But then after the opportunity, you're looking for a new new process in a Because

你会觉得好像什么都没改变。第二天一切照旧。

you kinda feel like you there's nothing really changed. It's just the next day.

嗯，那种期待中的兴奋和所有那些东西，其实都在于期待本身，而不是真正获得东西的时候，这很真实。

Well, dwarfing rush and all that stuff is all in the anticipation. It's not in the getting of the thing, which is true.

还有你的那些问题，挺有意思的。感觉就像你在上面只有三十秒的时间一样。是的，那很棒。然后你

And also your problems, like, Interesting. Fought like you'll have thirty seconds up there Yeah. And and it's great. And then you

就又回到了你的日常生活。

Right back to your life.

走下舞台之后，第二天你会发现，你的问题，确切地说，还是跟着你，什么都不会改变。

Get off the stage, and then you're like, the next day your problems are personally, your problems are still following you. It doesn't change anything.

没错。这就是为什么我从未获得艾美奖的原因，这就是原因。

Exactly. That's why I've never that's why I've never won an Emmy. That's why.

只是不断重复而已。不，我想主动退出竞争。是的，这不会改变任何事情。

Just keep returning Yeah. No. I want take myself out of the running. Yeah. It's not going change anything.

但你知道吗，挺有趣的。我觉得那次经历带来的结果是，之后我变得非常不自信，而且是以一种完全不同的方式。某种程度上是因为，你连续一次又一次地成功之后，你会给自己施加一种压力，让你觉得别人对你有期待。对，对。

But, know, but it's funny. I think what it resulted to was after that I was it made me very feel not confident in a complete different way in in a sense because Explain that. What it does well, you know, when you have a win after win after win after win, you kind of put this, like, pressure where you feel like you have this people are having this expectation on you. Right. Right.

不过，在罢工期间，我不知道还能做什么，所以我去小丑学校学习了。我还去了法国。那里的老师菲利普·戈利耶非常棒，他一直说

But, you know, during the strike, you know, I went to clown school because I didn't know what else to do with my time. And I went to France. But the and the thing that they the teacher, Philippe Gollier, who's amazing, he kept on saying,

他就像在说，我要教教这家伙怎么当一头牛。

He's like I'll show this guy a thing or two about being a cow.

哦，你喜欢

Oh, you like

法式？卡普里沙沙。抱歉。

French? Caprese. Sorry.

这是一个长期的笑话。这家伙嗓门特别大。他就是个麻烦家伙。

This is a running joke. This guy real loudmouth. He's a handful of Yeah.

而且他对其他人的感受非常敏感和在意，是的。同伴们。

And he's got real touchy and sensitive about other Yes. Companions.

没错。但他一直说失败是小丑的朋友，我特别喜欢这句话。

Exactly. But he kept on saying the the failure is the friend of the clown, which I love.

失败是小丑的。对。失败是朋友

Failure is the of the clown. Yes. Failure is the friend

小丑的朋友。我喜欢。

of the clown. I like that.

嗯嗯。而且你知道，如果你没有某种意义上的谦逊，就不可能有伟大的艺术。

Mhmm. And and you you you can't have great art with if you don't have some sort of, like, you know, humility in a way.

是的。请

Yes. Please

说吧，要说的

tell gonna

是的。请告诉我小丑学校里都发生些什么事情。

Yes. Please tell me what what goes on in clown school.

嗯，有很多事情。

Well, a lot of things.

脸部彩绘。

Face painting.

但我的意思是，比如说，你会听说这些事情吗？

But I mean, like, you hear that.

你们是不是在同时应付很多事情？是的。

Are you guys kind of juggling a lot of different things? Yeah.

好的，威尔和另一个

Nice will and another

很好的一个？实际上，我，你知道，我没有，我确实拿到了一个小丑证书。所以，你现在正和一个有认证的小丑说话。

nice one? Actually, I I didn't, you know, I didn't, I did get a clown certificate. So I, you are talking to a certified clown.

那鞋子是鸽派风格的吗？是鸽派风格的鞋子吗？还是说只是个红鼻子？是红鼻子吗？哦，他拿了一个

Was it a dovishized shoe? It a dovishized shoe or? It was just a red nose. Did it red Oh, he grabbed

一个红鼻子，然后他给我分配了角色，他看了我一眼就说，你是女巫。他让我扮演一个女巫。是的。我也不知道，也许我给他散发出了女巫的能量。

a red nose and he assigned me, he took one look at me and he was like, you are the witch. He assigned me to be a witch. Yeah. I don't know. I maybe give him like witch energy.

女巫。你就是那个女巫。

Witch. You are the witch.

一支烟。等一下。但是但是但是

One cigarette. Wait. But but but

我的意思是，你是因为我听到这些内容才这么做的吗？我是个傻瓜，所以我听说我去过小丑学校，而且我会做杰森和威尔开玩笑着说的那些事情。比如，我会想，哦，对了，你是这样涂颜料的吗？你在脸上涂颜料，然后穿上

I mean, do do the do you do like because I hear it, I'm an idiot, so I hear I went to clown school, and I do I do everything that Jason and Will are joking about. Like, I think about, like, oh, well, you put the paint is it that? You paint your face and you put on

不。不。是

No. No. It's

是那种老式的欧洲小丑风格。

It's old school like European clown.

对。老派的，你说对了。

Yeah. Old school, you're yeah.

有点令人沮丧。

And like It's kinda depressing.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

对。就像他把你带到舞台上，然后你走到幕布后面，接着他们播放音乐，你就在舞台上绕圈走。然后音乐一停，你就得即兴表演，想办法逗观众笑。如果你没能逗笑观众，他就会把你赶下台。

Yeah. It's like he puts you on stage and then you go behind a curtain and then they cue the music and you walk around like in a clown circle. And then you just and then the music stops and you just have to do whatever comes to your mind and make people laugh. And if you don't make people laugh, he kicks you off the stage.

天哪。哇。你有

Oh my god. Wow. You have

真的有点像是彻底地羞辱自己，基本上就是用比喻的方式把裤子脱掉，对吧？然后就是，

to really kind of just completely almost humiliate yourself. Just basically pull your pants down metaphorically. Right? And just,

比如，成为

like, be

一个傻瓜。

a fool.

做一个傻瓜，这太棒了。刚开始那两天，我就是这种感觉，我在干什么？我为什么要这么做？

Be a fool. That's great. So I also I just felt this. The first, you know, two days, I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Why did I do this?

我在想，我到底哪里不对劲？

Like, what is wrong with me?

我太喜欢了

I love

伙计。我当时就想，我甚至不在巴黎，我就在这座小镇上，顺便说一句，我住的这个小镇，我当时就在想，这里的气氛为什么这么奇怪？原来这里有着法国最大的精神病院之一。在这座镇上。

you, dude. I'm like, I'm not even in Paris. Like, I'm in this town, which, by the way, the town that I was staying in, I was like, why is this energy so crazy? And there's, like, the biggest mental asylum in France Oh. In this town.

天哪，这绝不是巧合。

Oh, my god. That's not a coincidence.

而且就在旁边。

Slash next to the

当然啦，不过话说回来，我喜欢这样。我当然喜欢，那就是我啊。我总是会报名参加一些最奇怪的体验，而且我总是非常乐意参与其中。

Of course. Like but again, like, I, of course, like, I also love, like that's just me. Like, I sign me up for, like, the weirdest experience, and I'm, like, all up for that.

是的，是的。

Yeah. Yeah.

不过，是的。不，这是一次令人惊叹的体验，绝对是满分十分。说真的，太棒了。

But yeah. No. It was an amaze it was a 10 out of 10 experience. Genuinely, it was amazing.

你觉得怎么样？

How about that?

是的，那太棒了。那么，这是否在某种程度上改变了你的表演？比如说融入了一种无所畏惧、不怕丢脸的心态？尽管你以前就很勇敢，从不担心让自己看起来很愚蠢、丑陋或有缺陷。

Yeah. That's awesome. So did has has has it adjusted your acting at all? Sort of incorporating this fearlessness of humiliation? Although you were always brave about you never worried about making yourself look foolish or ugly or or flawed or

不太好，不。我觉得对我来说，更重要的是我只是需要不断让自己感到不适。是的，那样反而会让我感到舒适。对。

something like Not well, no. And I think for me, it was more that I I just needed to I have to constantly make myself feel uncomfortable. Yeah. And that's gonna make me feel comfortable. Right.

作为一名艺术家，比如，哦，这很酷。如果我感受到任何一种——是的，安逸的感觉，我不喜欢，那就说明哪里出了严重问题。

As an artist, like Oh, that's cool. If I feel any sort of Yeah. Comfortability, I don't like, then something's deeply wrong.

是的，我完全理解。

Yeah. I totally get it.

而且，我也不喜欢。

And also, I don't like

你完全理解。你跟我在一起很自在吗？你……

You totally get it. You're comfortable being on me. Are you

不，不。我知道这种自在……

No. No. I I know that being

很不舒服，穿着羊绒拖鞋到处走，从10点38分开始。住在

uncomfortable, around in cashmere slippers starting at 10:38. Live in

15000平方英尺的大房子里。我的天，闭嘴吧

a 15,000 square foot house. Like, shut

见鬼去吧，肖恩。继续说吧。嗯。我感到很不舒服。

the hell up, Sean. Go ahead. Yeah. I'm uncomfortable.

她他妈的作为一个艺术家在谈论不适。天哪

She's talking about discomfort as a fucking artist. Jesus

啊，我不是那个意思。别误会，我很喜欢我的毛衣，但只是

Christ. I'm not talking listen. I'm don't get me I love my sweaters, but I just

我们的广告语来了。我们马上回来。好，回到节目。

There's our bumper sticker. We'll be right back. All right. Back to the show.

朱莉娅，现在我发现你周围都是乐器，我早就想问了。这些是你的吗？

Julia, now I there are you you're surrounded by musical instruments, and I've been wanting to ask since. Are these yours?

不是，这些是我丈夫的。好的，我们正在这儿建一个录音室。

No. These are my husband's. Okay. We're setting up a studio here.

她嫁给了一个摇滚明星，你这个蠢货。

She's married to a rock star, you stupid dick.

哦，是吗？那我该怎么

Okay. Oh, really? How am

我应该知道吗？不。

I supposed to know? No.

我不能

I can't

演奏任何东西。好好学习吧。你应该放松一下。

play anything. Study up. You're supposed to be goofing out.

我不知道他也不知道他

I didn't know his didn't know his

他是歌手吗？不知道他是谁，请原谅。他是

Is he a singer? Don't know who he forgive me. I He's

马克·福斯特，福斯特乐队。

Mark Foster, Foster the People.

哦，太棒了。是的。我之前不知道这一点。

Oh, wonderful. Yeah. I didn't know that.

我感到非常糟糕。

I felt that so bad.

是的，这是一支很棒的乐队。

Yeah. This is a fantastic band.

那太好了。等等，我可以插一句吗？我是说，稍等一下让杰伊来主导。

That's great. Wait. Can I jump ahead? I mean, I'll let Jay drive it in a second.

不过拜托了，

But please,

我刚刚突然想起来，你原本是不是要在某个时候扮演麦当娜？那件事还会发生吗？

were you I just remembered. Were you supposed to play Madonna at some point? Is that gonna still happen?

是的，我是说，这件事本来还是计划中的。太疯狂了，确实是这样。

Yeah. I mean, that's supposed to still happen. That's wild. It's yeah.

你觉得呢，等等，我是说，这事儿是怎么来的？还有，你以前是她的粉丝吗？

What do you think wait. I mean, how did that come about? And, like, what do were you ever a fan and all that?

天哪，我以前是麦当娜的超级粉丝。你知道，我从小就是听着她的歌长大的。后来听说她们在做一个项目，要拍一部关于她的电影，我就去试镜了。

Oh my god. I was such a fan of Madonna's. You know, I grew up listening to Madonna. It just came about, like, I knew that they were doing a a project, making a movie about it. And then I went out to audition.

我其实挺想挑战一下自己，因为你知道，我并不是一个受过专业训练的舞者，我得从头开始学跳舞，然后还要在她面前跳舞，基本上就是得让她相信我真的会跳舞。

I want I kind of that was also another thing that I I kinda just wanted to see if I could do it because, you know, I wasn't a trained dancer, and I had to, like, learn how to dance and then dance in front of her and convince her that I dance, basically.

嗯，嗯，嗯。

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

还要唱歌，和她一起唱歌，

And sing and sing with her and and

哇，好有压力。

Wow. Stressful.

是啊，我是说，那确实挺有挑战的。那后来怎么样？顺利吗？她是给你提了一大堆建议，还是直接说，天哪，你太棒了，就这么干？

Yeah. I mean, it it was it was and and so then how do how was that? How did did did it go well, or did she give you a bunch of notes, or was she just like, oh my god. You're amazing. Do this.

就这么做。

Do that.

嗯，你知道，我有点儿像在想，好吧，麦当娜会怎么做？就是那种嗯嗯的态度。说服你，她值得待在这个房间里。

Well, you know, I kind of just, like, thought, like, okay. What would Madonna do? Which is, like Mhmm. Convince you that she deserved, you know, to be in this room.

对。

Right.

还有，你知道你

And, you know You

你表现得很自信。

owned it.

而我确实很自信。我当时有点儿像，你可以接受也可以拒绝，但如果你拒绝了，如果我离开了，那是你的损失，你知道的。

And I owned it. I'm kind of like, you can take it or leave it, but if you leave it, if I leave, then that's, you know, that's on you.

对。

Right.

你知道

You know

我的意思你明白吧？

what I mean?

就像这样，如果你接受了，那太好了。明白我的意思吗？就是那种心态。

And it's like, if you take it, great. You know? That kind of, like, mentality.

是的。可以称之为性感的冷漠。

Yeah. Can just call that sexy indifference.

然后去游走全场，真正地去努力经营。

And work the room. Literally work

那后来发生了什么？那件事后来怎么样了？

the happened with that? What happened with that?

还在酝酿吗？还在继续酝酿？这是一个需要长期孕育的过程，你知道的，一顿好饭需要很长时间。

Still sort of brewing? Still brewing? It's a long gestating you know, good meals take a long time.

但我也有种感觉，任何真正伟大的东西，我也注意到，如果你听到商店里类似的说法，我觉得都需要很长的时间，或者就是对的。你知道的。

But I also feel like anything that's great also too, I noticed if you hear store like, it I feel like it takes a long time or it's Right. You know,

要不就是更多。与此同时，你已经偷偷完成了几个绝妙的工作。反正 Fantastic Four（神奇四侠）吗？哦，是的，7月25号。

it's either more or Meanwhile, you've snuck in a couple of fantastic jobs. Fantastic Four anyway? Oh, yes. July 25.

哇，那一定会很轰动。是的。

Wow. That's gonna be huge. Yeah.

是啊。我的意思是，那个过程是怎样的？我猜应该有很多特效吧。你得和那个讨厌的佩德罗·帕斯卡（Pedro Pascal）合作。我真不知道你是怎么熬过来的。

Yeah. I mean, what what was that process like? I imagine it was a lot of effects. You had to work with that pain in the ass, Pedro Pascal. I don't know how you get through that.

你是怎么熬过那种事情的？

How do you get through something like that?

他真的很爱聊天。

He's real chatty.

哦，我爱他。你知道吗，这很有趣，因为我在18岁时遇到了佩德罗。

Oh, he I love him. Know, it's so funny because I met Pedro when I was 18.

是的。

Yeah.

现在每个人都迷上了佩德罗，我为此感到非常高兴。

And everybody now is on this Pedro craze, which I'm so happy.

但我们不是。

Not us.

但我们确实……是的。

But I've yeah.

我们不是他的粉丝。

Not We're not fans.

我们不是他的粉丝。不过你知道的，我见过他，我一直觉得，你知道吗，他非常有才华，我觉得他成功只是时间问题。

We're not fans. But I you know, I've met him, and I always thought, you know, he was just so talented, and I it was always a matter of time with him, I felt.

嗯。所以，那么关于绿幕、特效这些东西呢？比如，那可是个大而复杂的玩意儿。你有服装，对吧？还有未来感之类的东西。

Mhmm. So And so but what about so, like, green screens and and and, you know, special effects and all that like, that's a that's a big spicy meatball, that thing. You've got costumes and Yeah. And, like, future stuff like that.

没有。我没有服装，因为他们只是让我扮演银影侠。是的，所以我就是……

No. I I didn't have any costumes because they I was just like silver surfer. Yeah. So I was just like

哦，等等。你是银影侠？

Oh, wait. You're the silver surfer?

是的。我当时

Yeah. I was

像是轻松的一击。

like easy shot.

是的。所以当时是

Yeah. So it was

你会去看

You're gonna watch

斯科蒂。斯科蒂会像周末更新节目那样坐在椅子上滑进来。问题来了。

Scottie. Scottie's gonna slide in on a chair like weekend update. Question.

不。我以前特别喜欢这个。小时候我经常看。

No. I used to love this. And when I was a kid, I used to watch it all the time.

是的。

Yeah.

特别喜欢银影侠。

Love the Silver Surfer.

我最喜欢的。我浑身都是铬银色的。

My favorite. I'm chrome and silver.

是的。那是不是意味着你必须穿着绿色连体服，上面还带着一些标记点

Yeah. It's so So does then does that mean you had to, like, wear, like, a green bodysuit with, like, little markers on it for

视觉效果？戴着带有巨型GoPro类型摄像头的头盔，还有那些电线。

visual effects? Had the helmet with the giant GoPro type camera and, like, the wires.

是的。

Yeah.

那简直太疯狂了。拍摄的第一天，我第一天进组就非常疯狂，因为当时我刚完成《武器》的拍摄，比如，

And it was crazy. And the first day on set, my first day on set was wild because well, I finished weapons, like,

就是那个别急着提到乔什·布洛林8月8日上映的新片，那部叫《武器》的电影。

which something Let's not jump to the Josh Brolin vehicle coming out August 8. It's called weapons.

对。顺便说一下。所以我拍那个的时候，我想大概是提前三周左右拍的。但我在《神奇四侠》的第一天，我

Yeah. By the way. So I filmed that, like, I wanna say, like, three weeks before. So, like but my first day on Fantastic, I

那是《神奇四侠》。对。

That's Fantastic Four. Yeah.

《神奇四侠》。

Fantastic Four.

我开玩笑的。

I'm kidding.

我的第一部作品，是的。那是《神奇四侠》。你知道的，我得在中间念那些台词，而那地方应该是时代广场，而且是在30英尺的高空。

My first step. I yes. That's Fantastic Four. I, you know, had to do this, like all these, like, lines in the middle of it's supposed to be, like, Times Square, and it was 30 feet in the air.

JB，你当时在时代广场中间拍了不少镜头。

JB, you did a bunch of lines in the middle of Times Square.

对吧？比如说，四次？当然了。是的。是的。

Right? Like, four? Sure did. Yeah. Yeah.

新年的庆祝活动总是很经典。

The New Year's celebration is always classic.

就是那样。

That's what it was.

那场面太疯狂了。真的很疯狂，因为当时你知道的，那是我第一天进组拍戏，我在30英尺的高空中拍一场戏，戴着耳麦和麦克风，还要指挥500个群演。而且漫威那边的负责人就在现场。所以我想，这可是我第一天啊，你知道吗？

It was crazy. It was it was crazy because I was doing the you know, it was my first day on set, and I was doing a scene 30 feet in the air with an earpiece and a microphone, you know, talking to 500 extras. And number two was at Marvel from Marvel was, like, on set. So I was like, that was my first day. Oh, you know?

是啊。但过了那之后，我就觉得，你知道吗，如果我能完成33英尺高空的戏份，我好像就没有理由再紧张了。

Yeah. But but after that, I felt like, you know, I I I have no reason to be nervous, I think, if I can do a scene 33 in the air.

你接下来有一个密集的宣传活动吧？你会因此环游世界吗？

You have a robust promotion schedule coming up? You're gonna travel the world for that?

是的。我的意思是，你知道的，我觉得他们——神奇四侠的演员们——真的非常友好，某种程度上，我觉得自己就像一个受到热情招待的晚宴客人。他们就像非常棒的主人。是的。所以我会时不时地参加他们的聚会，但我也想做个礼貌的客人，不会一直赖着不走。

Yeah. So it's I mean, I'm you know, I feel like with that they were so the four the fantastic four, the the cast, they were so nice, and I kind of felt like a a really nice dinner guest in a way. So they, like, were really great hosts. Yeah. So I'll, like, come in and out to their dinners, but I'm not gonna and I'll be like a good dinner guest, but I'm not gonna be like the dinner guest yet.

你在那边会是第五个人。

You'll be number five over there.

是啊。是的。

Yeah. Yeah.

对，就是这样。

Yeah. So yeah.

没错，没错。

Exactly. Exactly.

那么，那那部片子是7月25号出来，然后你还有部《武器》（Weapons），8月8号上映，有乔什·布洛林（Josh Brolin）。天哪，伙计，跟我说说《武器》讲的是什么？

So then that so then that comes out July 25, and you got Weapons with Josh Brolin, August 8. Jeez, man. Tell what's what's Weapons about?

首先，是布洛林啊。我的意思是，

First of all, Brolin. I mean,

得了吧。对，布洛林。现在你觉得佩德罗·帕斯卡尔（Pedro Pascal）已经够让人头疼了是吧？这位布洛林先生可更厉害。

come on. Yeah. Brolin. Now you think Pedro Pascal's a pain in the ass. This guy, Brolin.

布洛林的。

Brolin's.

是啊，我知道。我只是和最棒的男演员们合作过，杰森（Jason）、佩德罗（Pedro）、乔什（Josh）。

Yeah. I know. I just I work with all the best men. Jason, Pedro, Josh.

你真知道怎么打败这些大怪兽啊。太不可思议了。那部片子讲的是什么？

Well, you know how to slay the dragons. Unbelievable. What is that one about?

剧情太疯狂了。有点像多个故事交织在一起，像一张错综复杂的蜘蛛网，但整体氛围有点像恐怖版的《木兰花》（Magnolia）。

It's so crazy. It's it's kind of like a multi story intertwined spider web, but it's like a horror magnolia kind of vibe.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

我甚至都不知道该怎么解释它

I don't even I don't even know how to explain it

当一个班级里除了一个孩子之外的所有孩子在同一天晚上同一时刻神秘消失时，整个社区开始质疑，究竟是谁或者什么东西导致了他们的失踪。

to people When quite honest with all but one child from the same class mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance.

好了，就这样吧。

Well, there it is.

而我扮演一位老师。

And I play a teacher.

我同意参与。我同意。是的，我喜欢你，我也喜欢布罗林那家伙。没错。

I'm in. I'm in. Yes. I like you, and I like the Brolin fella. Yeah.

我认为他会大有作为的。

I think he's gonna go far.

朱莉，你平时有什么娱乐活动？你平时都做些什么？

Julie, what do you do for fun? What do you do for fun?

是啊，你就是一直工作、工作、工作。

Yeah. You work, work, work.

那你不工作的时候都干些什么？

What you what do you do when you don't work?

对啊，你不工作的时候都干些什么？听起来你工作挺多的，这很好，太棒了。你知道的，这真的很好。

Yeah. What do you do when you don't work? You sound like you work a lot, which is great. Bravo. You know, it's it's great.

工作很努力，很了不起。但你不忙的时候都做些什么？你就放松的时候都干些什么？你不是在开车，我们知道这一点。

Great work, epic. Yeah. But but what do you do when you're just you're just chilling? You're not driving. You're so we know that.

嗯，比如说

Yeah. Like,

你

are you

有什么爱好吗？

What are the hobbies?

你在本次采访中的表现会很糟糕。

You're gonna sound so bad in this interview.

哦天哪，就在洛杉矶周围滑滑滑板。你喜欢做什么？有什么爱好？

Oh my just skateboards around LA. What do you what what's what's what's the hobby?

是啊，我正努力搞清楚呢

Yeah. I'm trying to figure that out

现在，目前没有爱好对吧

right now. Zero hobby right

现在，当你闲下来的时候，比如你在洛杉矶，你有空闲时间。

now. When you're down like, you're in LA. You're down. You've got downtime.

问题是，当我没有工作的时候，我喜欢看电影。但即便如此，还是感觉像是在提醒我，这仍然和工作有关。

Well, the problem is is that when I'm not working, I I love watching movies. But then even then, it still feels like I'm reminded that, like, it's still work.

比如说，让我想想，今天剩下的时间你打算做什么？对，你今天不会去拍摄吗？

Like, well, like, let me what what are you gonna do the rest of today? Yeah. You're not you're not going to set today?

嗯，我在Okay之后有一个ADR工作。好的，今天要工作。嗯。

Well, I have an ADR after Okay. Alright. That's work. Today. Uh-huh.

然后我星期四要出发去温哥华，待五个月零半个月。

And then I am leaving on Thursday to Vancouver for five and a half months.

我的天啊。哇，那你得收拾行李了。你明天就会收拾吧。

Oh my god. Wow. So then you're gonna pack. You'll pack tomorrow.

是的，是的，对，好的。

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay.

所以我

So I'm

一直在工作。

always working.

那太

That's

好了。那除了电影之外，你现在还会看些什么电视节目？比如，你会随便从头开始看一部老电影吗？

great. What about what what what are what are you watching right now in television aside from the movies? Like like, will you just put on an old movie wherever it is?

是的，或者我会看一些新的内容，或者看一些我知道自己应该看但还没看过的东西。比如

Yeah. Well and then or I'll watch new stuff or I'll watch things that, you know, that I know that I should watch that I haven't watched yet. Like

地中海满载？

full o deck Mediterranean?

嗯，顺便说一句，我从来没看过这个。我可能是少数几个还没看过的人之一。不过现在我要把保罗·鲁宾的纪录片看完，这部片子真的很棒。

Yeah. By the way, I never got into that. I I'm I'm maybe one of the few. But but now I just I'm gonna finish watching the Paul Rubin doc. It's really good.

哦，对，我已经看完了。确实很好，挺有意思的，是的。

Oh, yeah. I finished it. That's really good. It's interesting. Yeah.

你看过奥萨马·本·拉登的纪录片吗？

Did you see the Osama Bin Laden doc?

我开始看了一点，我本来很想认真看完的。

I started watching it, and I wanted to really then good. Watch it.

那部片子很棒。

It's great.

所以我暂停了。不过看起来非常精彩。

So I stopped. But it looks it's amazing.

对了，跟我说说时尚和模特的事情吧。我知道这一定是你的热情所在，不过——

Yeah. Now what about talk talk to me about fashion and modeling. I'm sure that's a passion for you, but

还有，我的意思是，我对这种风格比较喜欢

also Well, I mean, the I'm for kind

抱歉，不是说你，威尔。我是对我们今天的嘉宾说的，是跟我们的客人朱莉娅说的。没错。

of Sorry. Not for you, Will. This is for our guest. This is for our guest, Julia. Yeah.

对啊。哦，这是你的业余爱好吗？我的意思是，你并不是靠这个谋生，因为你作为演员已经赚得够多了。我想被邀请去做这些事情应该挺有趣的吧。

Yeah. Oh. Is that that that is that kind of a hobby? I mean, you you don't you don't you don't look at it as as you're not doing that to make a living because you make you make plenty as an actor. I'm I'd imagine that it's kind of fun to be asked to do these things.

嗯，实际上有一段时间，我靠那个赚的钱比演戏还多。真的吗？是啊。

Well, I actually like, there was a very long time where I actually made better money doing that than my acting. Really? Yeah.

很多

A lot

那部分收入主要来自背后。哇。所以这就像是，一半一半吧。嗯，我就像有两份工作一样，我想是吧。

of that came from the back. Wow. So it's like a half it's like a Yeah. I'm like, I'm you know, I have two jobs, I guess.

我不太喜欢。不过，你喜欢那些穿扮打扮、四处旅行之类的吗？

I don't But yeah. And so do you you love all the dress up and the traveling and the

我不太喜欢旅行，但你知道的，我确实喜欢时尚。从小时候起我就一直觉得时尚是一种表达方式，对吧，某种程度上来说。

I don't love the traveling, but I as you know, I do love I've always loved fashion as a kid because I always found it like a form of expression Right. In a way.

你在纽约有个巨大的广告牌，是为什么拍的？我最近刚看到，是哪个？

You've got a big billboard in New York. What was it for that I've just seen recently? There's

是Gucci（古驰）。

It was Gucci.

Gucci（古驰）。

Gucci.

那次拍摄特别棒，因为我再次与Steven Meisel合作拍摄，你知道的，我21岁的时候第一张封面就是他拍的。

That was that was that was amazing because I got to shoot with Steven Meisel again and he shot, you know, he shot my first cover when I was, like, 21.

哇。

Wow.

是的。所以

Yeah. So

那真的很棒。

it That's was cool.

我觉得是在《同妻俱乐部》第一季开播前一年左右吧。

I think it was, like, yeah, a year before it did Ozark, the first season of Ozark.

是啊，天哪。

Yeah. Oh my god.

太疯狂了。

So crazy.

天哪，那真的非常非常棒。

God. So That's long really fucking cool.

是的。

Yeah.

非常非常棒。肖恩，你有没有翻唱过？

Very, very cool. Sean, you ever done a cover?

有啊，今年还是没有？我的意思是

Yeah. This year or no? I mean

抱歉，抱歉。我们需要说得更具体一点。

Sorry. Sorry. We need to be more specific.

对，就告诉我年份就行了。

Yeah. Just give me the year.

哦，我觉得你可以做封面人物。

Oh, I think you could do cover.

对啊，为什么不呢？GQ也好，随便什么都行。

Yeah. Why not? GQ, whatever.

嗯，朱莉娅，等你五个月零两周回来后，也许我们可以打个招呼。

Well, Julia, when you get back in five and a half months, maybe we can say hi.

我知道，我知道。我总是这样，你知道的，我很想念和你一起工作。我最想做的事情就是再次和你一起工作。

I know. I know. And I get like, I always, you know, I miss I miss working with you. That's the thing that I want to do the most is just, you know, work with you again.

天哪，她说那句话的时候闭上了眼睛。你知道那意味着什么

Boy, she closed her she closed her eyes when she said that. You know what

我的意思是？

I mean?

这是一个破绽。

It's a tell.

不，你说。

No, tell.

有点A a的小动作

A little bit of A a

有一点点。

little bit.

告诉我们一件我们不知道的关于杰森的事情，是你经历过的，有点有趣但同时也暴露了他的一些特点，也许还有点尴尬。

Tell us one thing that we don't know about Jason that you experienced on that was kind of fun but also revealing and maybe embarrassing.

就是想不起来。

Just can't think of it.

不是的。

It's no.

我想不起来，我实在

I can't it's

这完全不是杰森的风格，顺便说一句，他肯定花钱让我这么说的。不，我开玩笑的。不，杰森是我合作过的导演中最体贴、最善于培养演员的导演。他能带给人一种安全感，这种感觉就是

so not Jason's probably the most he paid me to say all of this, by way. No, I'm kidding. No. Jason is the most, like, nurturing director I've ever worked with. He's it's there's this, like, sense of safety that

哦，我们的时间到了。我觉得我们该

Oh, that's our time. I think we need

不过，你知道吗？如果我有机会执导威尔或者肖恩，我会对他们非常严厉。

to you know what, though? If I ever had the chance to direct Will or Sean, I'd be a fucking monster with them.

是的。你，

Yeah. What do you,

你已经有什么了？闭嘴吧

You what do you already have. Shut up

那边，威尔。你他妈的执导了《朱诺》

over there, Will. You fucking directed And

我们第一次合作《发展受阻》的时候就吵了一架。

we got in an argument the first time you directed Arrested Development.

是啊，因为你们都同意了。因为他一进来就满腹牢骚，谁输掉选举了？克里？

Yeah. Because you were all yeah. Because he was all he came in all fucking pouty because who was it? Who'd lost the election? Kerry?

克里，没错。

Kerry. Yeah.

约翰·克里输掉了选举，然后一个老加拿大的威尔走进来，满脸不高兴地说

John Kerry lost the election and an old Canadian Will walks on to set all pouty about,

哦，我们的选举啊。嘿，伙计。我当时穿着黄色的体操服，还套在一个香蕉套装里。这是真的。

oh, our election. Hey, man. I was wearing yellow leotards and I was in a fucking banana suit. That's a true story.

我不得不把你挑起来

I had to pick

你。我和杰森一起，他用起重机把我吊起来，然后我们进去拍了那个落下的镜头。

you up. Jason and I, and he picked me up with a crane and we got in and our Dropped

把你扔进了海湾。

you in the bay.

是啊。我当时穿着香蕉套装，在外面和他争吵。他说，你就不能好好坐一下吗？我说，去你的吧。没错。

Yeah. And I'm in a fucking banana suit and we're arguing outside. He's like, just do the fucking seat. I'm like, hey, fuck you. Yeah.

我爱你

I love

上次你是那次和他合作吗？

the last time you was that the last time you worked with him?

就是那次，作为导演，和杰森吗？

That was it. As a director. With Jason?

是作为演员，而杰森担任导演？

As a as an actor and Jason directing?

哦，他追了我好多次。哦。而我

Oh, he's pursued me so much. Oh. And I

我只是无法把它当回事。

just I just can't make big deal.

你知道的，我做不到。是的。没法

You know, I can't. Yeah. Can't make

偶尔一次，我们作为演员一起合作过。是《Smartless》纪录片那次吧？不过那不算是真正的表演。

a Once in a while, we worked together as an actor. Get was it the it was the Smartless doc. Right? But that wasn't really acting.

对，那不算表演。那是我们最后一次一起做任何事。是的。一分钟的事。

No. That wasn't acting. That was the last time we did anything. Yeah. One minute.

你他妈现在每天都做这个。

You every goddamn day now doing this.

莫表现得好像我喜欢你一样。然后肖恩

Moe's acting like I like you. And then Sean

这件事的发生特别搞笑，因为我记得你刚开始做这个播客的时候正在拍《同妻俱乐部》（Ozark）。

This was so funny how this happened because I remember you were doing Ozark when you started this podcast.

是啊。

Yeah.

对，我还记得你当时说，是啊，我只是在做一件很傻的事情，我只是和朋友们一起做的，就是图个开心和好玩。

Yeah. And I remember you're like, yeah. You know, I'm just doing something silly. It's like I'm just doing it with my friends. We're just, you know, for shits and gigs.

对，还有剪辑，也剪掉一些。

Yeah. Cut. Cut too.

这简直是个怪物。是的是的。谢谢你们。谢谢听众们。

It's a monster. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, listeners.

是啊。

Yeah.

都是好人，谢谢你们，谢谢。我还能见到我的偶像，比如朱莉娅·加纳（Julia Garner）。朱莉娅，你就是我希望中的那个样子。

Nice people. Thank you. Thank you. I get to meet my heroes like Julia Garner. You're everything I hoped you would be, Julia.

人们总说，不要去见你的偶像。

They say don't meet your heroes.

是啊。

Yeah.

而你曾是如此令人高兴。是的。曾是如此充满爱意的喜悦。希望有一天能亲自见到你。等你拍完电影回来，请来找我。

And you were just such a delight. Yes. Were such love delight. To meet you in person one day. When you get back from your movie, please look me up.

哦，天哪。

Oh, god.

我会的，我会去找你。

I'll I'll try I'll find you.

好的，请一定这么做。是的。爱你。也向你妈妈问好。

Yes. Please do. Yes. Love you. Love to your mother.

向马克问好。是的。祝你们拍摄顺利。是的。我们去看《神奇四侠》。

Love to Mark. Yes. Have a great shoot. Yes. And we're gonna see Fantastic Four.

是的。我们要去看《武器》。几月？七月几号？七月

Yes. We're gonna see The weapon. July what? July

几号？7月25日。

what? July 25.

8月8日。

August 8.

7月25日。

July 25.

8月，没错。第八个武器。

August Yep. Eight weapons.

然后然后去找那个利他主义者，她要做的就是这个，你接下来要去做这件事吗？

And And then and then look for the altruist she's about is that what you're about to go do?

是的。没错。

Yes. Yep.

关于这个，是这个

About that's

将会是

gonna be

会在Netflix上播出。Sam Beybrenfried，你扮演他的妻子？还是女朋友？

on Netflix. Sam Beybrenfried, you're playing his wife? Girlfriend?

Caroline Ellison。

Caroline Ellison.

嗯。对。哇。对。非常好。

Mhmm. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Very, very good.

这很令人兴奋。印象深刻。太厉害了。你是个很了不起的人。

That's exciting. Impressive. Impressive. You're an impressive person.

Julia，祝贺你取得的一切成就。

Congrats on everything, Julia.

对。太高兴了，为你感到开心。爱你。谢谢你。去大展身手吧。

Yeah. Thank so Thank Happy for you. Love you. Thank you. Go kill it.

你。你。

You. You.

你回来的时候打我电话。

Hit me when you're back.

好的。我会的。非常感谢你们。

Yes. I will. Thank you guys so much.

谢谢。朱莉娅。谢谢你。

Thank you. Julia. Thank you.

再见，朱莉娅。再见。

Bye, Julia. Bye.

天哪。贾森。

Oh my god. Jason.

对吧？

Right?

朱莉娅。顺便说一下，你一定觉得，看着她从一个年轻的演员，一个年轻的孩子，慢慢成长起来，一定感到非常自豪。她今年22岁。是的。她刚开始参加这个节目时，这个节目是你帮忙创作、使之成形、你导演并担任主演的节目。而她不仅在节目中表现出色，还得到了认可，取得了巨大的成功，现在她已经拥有非常辉煌的职业生涯，而这一切都离不开她在你参与制作的节目中所付出的努力。

Julia. By the way, must feel you must genuinely feel a a sense of pride having watched her grow from being a sort of a young actor, like a young kid. She's 22. Yeah. She starts on the show, a show that you helped create and brought to life and directed and were the star of, and then she had she was not only amazing in it, but was recognized and had all the success and has now had a huge career and and in part by all the great work she did on a show that you were instrumental in.

你一定对此感到非常自豪。

That must you must feel a great sense of pride in that.

是的。不过只是稍微有一点。我不会抹去她的功劳。她确实值得称赞。是的。

Yes. But just barely. I take nothing away from her. She was like credit. Yeah.

是的。不是。但我的意思是，我记得她非常、非常快地让我们做出了一种决定，要让这个角色真正推动很多剧情的发展，因为她的表现太出色了，观众们也为她疯狂。是的，这要归功于克里斯·门迪和整个编剧团队，他们调整了很多故事线，就是为了充分发挥她这一优秀人才的价值。

Yeah. No. But I mean, she I remember very, very quickly we made a sort of a a decision to really make that character really drive a lot of story because she was so so good, and the audience was going crazy for her. And, yeah, it was a really credit to Chris Mundy and the whole writing staff that kind of changed a lot of storylines to really, you know, utilize what a great talent she was.

是的。她确实如此。而且她是一个非常讨人喜欢的人。我之前从未见过她。

Yeah. She's yeah. And and and a delightful person. Like, I never met her before.

是的。她人真的非常甜美，我的天。所以，与怪物正好相反，露丝就是这样的角色，尽管她演绎这个角色时表现出很多脆弱的一面，但她也真的能够展现出非常凶狠的一面。让人又爱又恨。

Yeah. It's so so sweet. My god. But So the opposite of the monster, you know, Ruth was although, you know, she did play the character with a lot of vulnerability, but like she was really capable of just being, you know, vicious. Love to hate her.

是的。没错。

Yeah. Yeah.

我是说，非常喜欢这个角色。

Love the character, I mean.

但她真是个可爱的人。我很高兴她现在过得很好，生活幸福，家庭快乐，工作也开心。是的。嗯。嗯。

But what a what a sweetheart. I'm so glad she's doing really well and happy happy home life, happy work life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

那你呢？是的。我总是觉得很有趣，我认识的许多演员都和音乐家结婚，你知道吗？嗯嗯。比如，这种组合就挺不错的。

How about you? Yeah. I I always find it interesting when a lot of actors I know are married to musicians, you know? Mhmm. Like, it's a good combo.

你也和一个音乐家结婚了吗？

You're married to one?

是的。我确实和一个音乐家结了婚。他从事音乐创作。是的。

Yes. I am married to one. He makes music. Yeah.

而威尔，你也做一些模特工作吗？

And Will, you do some modeling?

我跟工作结了婚，是的，作为模特。

I'm married to my work, yeah, as a model.

嗯，嗯。威尔，你下一个广告活动是做什么的？

Yeah. Yeah. What's your next campaign for, Will?

我下一个广告活动是泻药代言，我已经转向了不同的产品类别。

My next campaign is for laxative and I've moved into a different category at

这个年纪的我，是针对老年人的产品吗？

this stage of my life. Something for the seniors?

是的。我觉得是这样，现在我们所处的这个世界，总之，情况就是这样。

Yeah. Which I think, and then now we live in this world where, and so anyway, so it's like

所以那些拍照的时间应该缩短了吧，对吧？

So those photoshoots gotta be shorter then, no?

当海报只需要我随便摆个表情的时候，你知道吗？目前进展还挺顺利的。

When the poster is just, I give a shit a lot, you know? And it's going pretty well.

听起来一切都很顺利。

It sounds like it's going smooth.

是的。

Yeah.

嘿，是的，我买了新眼镜。

Hey. Yeah. I got new glasses.

所以你

So you

拿到了

got the

那种 所以

kind So

工作 工作 看远近两用眼镜反过来了。

working working bifocal backwards.

是的，那是

Yeah. That's

对的。唉，我把它搞砸了。

right. Well, ruined it.

不，你继续

No. Go

说吧。不，我觉得我搞砸了。我觉得你说出‘眼镜’这个词的那一秒，你就不占优势了。

ahead. No. I think I ruined it. I don't think you were ahead of anybody on that the second you said glasses,

但你他妈的去告诉

but go fucking Tell

我们吧

us the

说说你的新眼镜的故事。

story about your new specs.

它们确实是新的。

They really are new.

我刚

I just

昨天刚拿到。

got them yesterday.

是吗？

Are they?

是一个度数吗？还是不是。

Or Is it one prescription? Or No.

还是两个度数？因为下面的部分是什么？

Or two because the bottoms are what are they?

嗯，不是下面的部分。通过有两个度数，它们才起作用。

Well, so that no. It's not the bottoms are. It by having two, it makes them.

再见。哦，不。

Bye. Oh, no.

你听不懂吗？

Do you not get that?

现在又是什么？Bye 生气了。为什么

What is that now? The bye is so angry. Because

你就是不明白，当它说 bye 的时候。

you just don't get it when it bye.

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