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层压板。
Laminata.
大脑与宇宙。
Brains on universe.
批判性思考比以往任何时候都更重要。
Thinking critically is more important than ever.
所以我们才推出了Smashboombest。
That's why we make smashboombest.
我们希望每个孩子都能学会辨别有力的论点，也能指出逻辑谬误，但如果没有你的支持，这一切都无从谈起。
We want every kid to know how to spot a good argument and how to call out a logical fallacy, but none of it is possible without your support.
说实话，要是听众不帮忙，我们可能就撑不下去了。
Seriously, we could disappear if our listeners don't step up.
但这一点其实很简单。
But that part is easy.
只要加入Smarty Pass就行。
Just join Smarty Pass.
你可以免费收听无广告版本的节目，参与我们团队的专属线上交流，享受周边商品折扣，还有更多福利。
You'll get access to ad free versions of our shows, special online hangs with our crew, discounts on merch, and more.
更重要的是，你知道自己的支持在帮助我们支付辩手、音效设计师、撰稿人等的报酬，这感觉真的很棒。
Plus, you'll feel great knowing you're helping us pay our debaters, sound designers, writers, and more.
现在就前往 smartypass.org 加入吧。
Join now at smartypass.org.
谢谢。
Thank you.
接下来，正式开场。
Now it's showtime.
由《Brains on Universe》的原班人马打造，欢迎收听《Smashboombest》。
From the brains behind brains on, it's smashboombest.
专为有鲜明观点的人打造的节目。
The show for people with big opinions.
大家好。
Hi.
我是莫莉·布卢姆，欢迎收听《Smash Boom Best》。
I'm Molly Bloom, and this is smash boom best.
这档节目里，我们会挑两样东西，把它们凑在一起，然后让你来决定哪个更棒。
The show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best.
今天我们要比较的是两种完美的蔬果。
Today, we're picking between two perfect pieces of produce.
一种是油润翠绿、包裹着果核的美味。
One is buttery green goodness wrapped around a pit.
另一种是甜腻鲜红、令人垂涎的水果。
The other, a syrupy sweet bright red treat.
今天是牛油果对上树莓。
It's avocados versus raspberries.
为牛油果辩护的是音频制作人兼编辑阿多瓦·吉马-布伦蓬。
Here to argue for avocados, it's audio producer and editor, Adwoa Gyimah-Brempong.
支持牛油果的，在这里！
Team alligator pear in the house.
没错。
Yes.
为树莓辩护的是配音演员梅尔克·阮。
And raising a ruckus for raspberries, it's voice actor, Merk Nguyen.
咱们来点 juicy 的。
Let's get juicy.
而且
And
负责选出胜出零食的是来自加拿大阿尔伯塔省莱斯布里奇的安布罗西亚。
here to select a winning snack, we've got Ambrosia from Lethbridge, Alberta.
安布罗西亚打鼓，喜欢解谜，还养了一只叫阿斯兰的猫。
Ambrosia plays percussion, loves puzzles, and has a cat named Aslan.
欢迎你，安布罗西亚。
Welcome, Ambrosia.
你好。
Hi.
好的。
Okay.
跟我们说说你的猫吧。
Please tell us about your cat.
你的猫是什么样的？
What is your cat like?
我的猫最棒了，他自己也知道。
My cat is the best and he knows it.
他特别有个性。
He is so sassy.
如果你手有点脏想摸他，他立马能感觉到，然后就会跑开，拼命地舔毛把自己洗干净。
And if you, like, try and pet him while your hand is, like, slightly dirty, he knows it and he will run away from you and, like, furiously try and clean himself.
他真是个爱干净的小家伙。
He's a clean little guy.
这太可爱了。
That's so sweet.
他喜欢玩吗？
Does he like to play?
喜欢的。
He does.
我们觉得他可能小时候是和狗一起长大的。
He actually we think he might have been raised with dogs.
他是只收容所的猫，但特别喜欢玩捡球游戏。
He's a rescue cat, and he will play fetch.
真可爱。
Aw.
我太喜欢了。
I love that.
说到玩，你打打击乐是吧？
And speaking of playing, you play percussion.
那是指打鼓，还是别的乐器？
So does that mean drums or something else?
确实包括鼓。
It does include drums.
我打鼓打得没自己想的那么好，但我特别喜欢各种不同的打击乐器。
I'm not the best at playing the drum set as much as I would like to be, But I I do like tons of different things.
我特别喜欢辅助打击乐，比如铃鼓、三角铁、悬挂钹、重音钹、小军鼓这些。
I really love auxiliary percussion, which is just like everything else, like, you know, playing a tambourine and a triangle and a suspended cymbal and the crash cymbals and the snare.
有时候一首曲子里面，你得把所有这些乐器都轮一遍。
But sometimes in one of the pieces, you have to play all of those instruments.
所以你得在短短两小节休息时间里，从房间这头的木琴跑回那头的三角铁，特别有意思。
And so you, like, have, like, two bars of rest to get between, like, across the room from, like, the xylophone back to the triangle because it's it's really fun.
演出时可忙活了。
It can get active.
太棒了。
Awesome.
尤其是我们乐队演出时，场地经常和排练的地方不一样，所有乐器都得重新摆。
Especially seeing as sometimes when we perform in in our band, it'll be in a different place from when we've rehearsed, and then everything is set up completely different.
我高中时也在乐队的打击乐组，那是我最喜欢的部分之一。
I was also in the percussion section in band in high school, and it was one of my favorite things.
我特别喜欢数休止符，然后突然用镲片大声切入。
I love to count rest and then come in loud with a cymbal.
对极了。
Yes.
最棒了。
The best.
作为长期听众，你对我们的辩手有什么建议或技巧吗？
As a longtime listener, do you have any advice or tips for our debaters?
我觉得嘛，就顺其自然吧。
Oh, I would just say, like, try and go with it.
一旦找到感觉，就坚持下去。
Like, once you once you find a bit, just stick to it.
看看能走多远。
See how far you can go.
太棒的建议。
Excellent advice.
阿姆布罗西亚会选牛油果还是覆盆子？
Will Ambrosia go for avocados or raspberries?
敬请期待。
Stay tuned.
但首先，先说规则。
But first, the rules.
每场辩论分为四轮： greatness 宣言、微轮、突袭轮和最终六强。
Every debate consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack, and the final six.
每轮结束后，我们的评委阿姆布罗西亚会给表现最出色的一方打分，但她的评判会严格保密，直到辩论结束才公布。
After each round, our judge, Ambrosia, will award points to the team that impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top secret until the end of the debate.
听众朋友们，也欢迎你们来评判。
Listeners, we want you to judge too.
听的时候记下你们给的分数，节目结束时再看结果。
Mark down your points as you listen at the end of the show.
请访问我们的网站 smashboomb.org，为你认为获胜的队伍投票。
Head to our website, smashboomb.org, and vote for whichever team you think won.
好的。
Okay.
Merk、Adwoa 和 Ambrosia，你们准备好了吗？
Merk, Adwoa, and Ambrosia, are you ready?
我随时可以开始。
I'm ready to go.
我果然是准备好了。
I'm berry ready.
我太准备好了。
I'm so ready.
能来到这里我特别兴奋。
I'm so excited to be here.
非常好。
Excellent.
那么，现在进入
Then it's time for the
伟大的宣言环节。
Declaration of Greatness.
在这一轮中，我们的辩手将提出一个精心打造、富有感染力的论点，支持己方立场，之后每人有三十秒时间反驳对方的观点。
In this round, our debaters will present a well crafted immersive argument in favor of their side, then they'll each have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements.
我们抛了硬币，Merk，你先来。
We flipped a coin, and, Merk, you're up first.
来为我们说说覆盆子的好处吧。
Let's hear you rave for Raspberries.
我带你们去我最爱的覆盆子地。
I'm gonna take you to my favorite raspberry patch.
你可以在超市或者农贸市场买到覆盆子，味道已经很棒了。
You can buy raspberries at the store or the farmer's market, and they'll be amazing.
但再怎么也比不上直接从藤上摘下来吃的那种滋味。
But there's nothing like eating them straight off the vine.
寻找最完美的浆果，它们几乎自动掉进手里的那种满足感，甜美带花香的味道，还带着一点阳光晒过的温热。
The hunt for the perfect berry, the satisfying way they almost fall off the branch into your hand, the sweet, flowery taste, how they're just a little warm from the sun.
唉。
Ugh.
根本没法比。
Can't be beat.
瞧，就在这儿。
Here it is.
哦，嗨。
Oh, hey.
一只巨大的黑熊。
A giant black bear.
别担心。
Don't worry.
它很温顺。
He's chill.
一只毛茸茸的松鼠。
A fuzzy squirrel.
等等。
Wait.
我的意思是，哎呀，毛茸茸的松鼠。
I mean, aww, fuzzy squirrel.
双倍分量。
Double weight.
你们俩不是天敌吗？
Aren't you two enemies?
当然是。
Totally.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
他一秒就能把我吃了。
He'd eat me in a second.
我肯定会说：天哪，完了。
I'd be like, oh, no.
我呢，就会说：咔嚓一口。
And I'd be like, chomp.
不过呢，在这株覆盆子丛这儿，咱们是好朋友。
But, yeah, here at the raspberry bush, we're buds.
浆果兄弟。
Berry bros.
有这么好吃的零食，干嘛还要打架呢？
Why fight when we got these delicious snacks?
肚子都填饱了。
Our bellies are full.
心里也美滋滋的。
And our hearts are happy.
说得对。
Great point.
覆盆子能让所有人都开心。
Raspberries make everyone happy.
也许是它的口感吧。
Maybe it's the texture.
咬下去时，小汁珠会爆开。
There's the pop of a drooplet.
那些小颗粒就叫汁珠。
That's the name for those little bubbles the berry is made of.
咬到 tiny 种子的脆响，果汁涌出的畅快，还有表面那层细绒。
There's the crunch of biting a tiny seed, the swoosh of juice, the slight fuzz on the surface.
每一颗覆盆子都是一场感官的交响曲。
Each berry is a symphony of sensation.
那你有没有切过牛油果，结果不是烂得一塌糊涂，就是硬得像橡皮？
Meanwhile, how often have you sliced into an avocado and it's mushy to the max or hard and rubbery?
顺带一提，为什么牛油果就是没法准确掌握成熟时机呢？
Side note, why are avocados impossible to time right?
我买回来的时候，它们还是硬邦邦的。
I buy them and they're still hard.
于是我放外面，结果一直硬、硬、硬。
And so I leave them out, and it's like hard, hard, hard.
刚好就熟了。
Just right.
哎，不好意思。
Oh, sorry.
你没赶上。
You missed it.
现在变成褐色的烂泥了。
Now it's brown mush.
真让人头疼。
So frustrating.
树莓看着也像糖果一样诱人。
Raspberries are also candy for the eyes.
每一颗都像一小簇红宝石，拿在手指上，就像戴了时尚的红色小帽子。
Each one looks like a tiny collection of rubies, and you can put them on your fingers, and it looks like you're wearing stylish red hats.
牛油果呢，看起来就像哥斯拉背上长了个肿块，他得赶紧找医生看看。
Avocados, on the other hand, look like a lump on Godzilla's back that he'd ask a doctor to check out.
好消息，哥斯拉。
Good news, Godzilla.
我们在你皮肤上发现的这个东西并不危险。
That growth we found on your skin isn't dangerous.
其实那是个牛油果。
It's actually an avocado.
太好了。
Yay.
坏消息。
Bad news.
这个牛油果已经坏掉了。
The avocado is already spoiled.
真扫兴。
Boo.
说到医生，他们也很喜欢覆盆子，因为这种浆果特别健康。
Speaking of doctors, they also love raspberries because these berries are very healthy.
几个世纪以来，人们一直用它来帮助分娩和缓解痛经。
They've been used for centuries to help with childbirth and cramps.
对心脏和肠胃都有好处。
They're good for your heart and your gut.
最近，科学家们对覆盆子里的抗氧化成分特别着迷。
And lately, scientists have been obsessed with the antioxidants in raspberries.
我来解释一下。
Let's explain.
科学模式，启动。
Science work, activate.
好的。
Okay.
随着时间推移，身体会积累一种叫氧化应激的东西。
Over time, bodies get something called oxidative stress.
科学家有时候把这个比作金属生锈，只不过发生在细胞上，这可不妙。
Scientists sometimes compare this to rust forming on metal, but instead, it's like damage forming on your cells, which is bad.
但有一种叫抗氧化物的物质，能帮身体清除这些‘锈迹’，这就有好处了。
But stuff called antioxidants help clean up that body rust, which is good.
你猜怎么着？
And guess what?
浆果里头富含抗氧化物。
Berry is packed with antioxidants.
我给你个提示。
Here's a hint.
发音跟‘ smash berries ’押韵。
It rhymes with smash berries.
交给你了，普通的梅尔。
Back to you, regular Merk.
谢谢，科学Merk。
Thanks, Science Merk.
你知道吗，树莓不仅特别好吃，还特别棒。
You know, raspberries are also so delicious, which makes them so awesome.
它们能做出让人上瘾的酥饼、满足感满满的奶昔，还有完美的水果酸奶杯。
They make crave worthy crumbles, satisfying smoothies, perfect parfaits.
但说实话，我最喜欢的方式就是直接拿起来一把一把地吃。
But honestly, my favorite way to eat them is plain and by the handful.
我说得对吧，熊和松鼠？
Am I right, bear and squirrel?
我虽然有爪子不是手，但确实如此。
I mean, I have paws, not hands, but yeah.
我喜欢把它们放在我的小手上，像戴了微型拳击手套一样。
I like to put them on my little hands like tiny boxing gloves.
然后就吃掉。
Then I eat them.
这些小浆果一口下去，味道和口感都特别丰富。
They're tiny treats that are a taste and texture explosion.
不仅好看，而且对身体特别好。
They're pretty and pretty darn good for you.
树莓简直太棒了。
Raspberries rule.
你们俩让一让，给我留点。
Now move aside, you two, and save some for me.
真好吃。
Yum.
不行。
No.
我最爱
I love
你。
you.
这是你的白色标签。
Here's your white label.
天哪。
Oh my god.
你为树莓做的这个论点真是精彩。
Jewel of an argument there for raspberries.
安布罗西亚，你对默克宣称自己伟大的那段话印象最深的是什么？
Ambrosia, what stood out to you about Merk's declaration of greatness?
你管它们叫感官交响曲的时候我特别喜欢，还有背景音乐一配，整个感觉都特别美。
I loved it when you called them a symphony of sensation, and, like, the music in the background just made it so pretty.
那真的太棒了。
That was really cool.
而且简直就是给眼睛吃的糖果。
And also, like, candy for the eyes.
你真的是在全方位照顾到所有的感官体验啊。
You're really, like, you know, looking out for all the senses here.
这不只是耳朵的事。
It's not just the ears.
没错。
Absolutely.
好的。
Okay.
阿多亚，你有三十秒时间来回应那些关于覆盆子的论点，现在开始计时。
Adwoa, you get thirty seconds to squish those raspberry arguments, and those thirty seconds start right now.
好的。
Okay.
梅尔，我觉得每一次指责其实都是对覆盆子的坦白，因为覆盆子比牛油果更容易坏。
Merk, I feel like every accusation is a raspberry confession because raspberries, way more than avocados, go bad so quickly.
我总觉得，盒子里总有一个在底层的，翻过来一看，底下已经长出那种奇怪的霉斑了。
I feel like the minute there's always one like in the box underneath at the bottom that you turn it over and there's like mold in that weird texture.
对我来说，覆盆子的问题其实就在它的质地。
For me, the texture is the issue with raspberries, actually.
那层绒毛，还有那些汁水，反正就是说不上来的感觉。
The fuzz and like the drooples and the they're just I don't know.
覆盆子的口感有点特别，我不太喜欢。
There's something like textury about raspberries that I don't love.
而且，我一点都不意外。
And also, I'm not surprised.
时间到。
Time.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
阿多瓦本来想说什么来着？
What was Adwoa gonna say?
哦。
Oh
这悬念真是让人抓狂。
my The suspense.
这悬念啊。
The suspense.
好吧。
Okay.
Merk，你有什么想对Adwoa说的吗？
Merk, do have anything you wanna say to Adwoa?
对。
Yeah.
我的意思是，每个人喜欢的口感都不一样。
I mean, you know, everybody likes different textures.
我不想去扫别人的兴，但牛油果的口感就只有一种。
I don't wanna yuck anyone's yum, but, like, avocados just have one texture.
所以，我也说不好。
So, like, I don't know.
你其实可以不吃覆盆子上的绒毛，只要捏一捏，直接放在舌头上，还是能尝到
You could still eat the raspberry without having the fuzz by just squeezing it and just, like, putting it on your tongue, and you'd still get
它那美味的味道。
the yumminess of it.
另外，你是怎么洗树莓的？
Also, how are you washing your raspberries?
你可以把坏的那颗扔掉，剩下的洗干净，这样还有一整批可以吃。
Because, like, you could just throw out the other one and then wash the other ones, and then you have a whole batch still to eat.
牛油果一旦坏了，那就是真的坏了。
The avocado, once it's bad, it's like yeah.
你懂我意思吧？
Like, you know, you're saying?
接下来，轮到牛油果队大放异彩了。
Well, coming up, it is team Avocados' time to shine.
我们马上回来。
We will be right back.
本期节目由Quince赞助。
Today's episode is sponsored by Quince.
每次我不确定该去哪儿买东西时，我都会先去Quince看看。
Whenever I'm not sure where to turn to buy something, I start with Quince.
我最近买了一款全新的夏被，轻薄透气，质量也特别棒。
I recently bought a brand new bedspread that's perfect for the summer, the perfect lightweight bedspread, and it is amazing high quality too.
Quince有很多漂亮的日常单品，比如100%欧洲亚麻裤子、连衣裙和上衣，款式从32美元起。
Quince has beautiful everyday pieces like a 100% European linen pants, dresses, and tops with styles starting at $32.
他们的牛仔布料柔软舒适，有机棉毛衣也很适合在夏夜叠穿。
Their denim is soft and easy to wear, and their organic cotton sweaters are perfect for layering on cool summer nights.
我最钟爱的夏装就是这件蓝色棉质Quince毛衣，几乎天天穿。
My favorite summer sweater is this blue cotton quince sweater that I wear all the time.
不管是夏日的早晨还是夜晚，它都是绝佳的叠穿选择。
Summer mornings, summer nights, it is the perfect layering option.
Quince直接与道德工厂合作，跳过中间商，你付的钱全是为品质买单，而不是品牌溢价。
Quince works directly with ethical factories and cuts out the middlemen, so you're paying for quality, not brand markup.
而且他们卖的不只是衣服。
And it's not just clothing.
Quince 已经成为家居、厨房、床品等日常必需品的高品质之选。
Quince has really become a destination for elevated essentials across home, kitchen, bedding, and beyond.
提升你的夏日衣橱。
Elevate your summer wardrobe.
前往 quince.com/smashboombest，下单即享免运费，还有 365 天无理由退换。
Go to quince.com/smashboombest for free shipping on your order and three hundred sixty five day returns.
现在加拿大也能购买了。
Now available in Canada too.
记得去 quince.com/smashboombest，免运费加 365 天无理由退换。
That's quince.com/smashboombest for free shipping and three hundred sixty five day returns.
quince.com/smashboombest。
Quince.com/smashboombest.
最佳。
Best.
Smash。
Smash.
Smashboombest
Smashboombest.
好的
Okay.
覆盆子曾经风靡一时。
Raspberries had their moment.
现在轮到牛油果了。
Now it's Avocados' turn.
阿多亚，跟我们说说，为什么做牛油果酱的食材这么棒。
Adwoa, tell us why the stuff of guac really rocks.
现在我和默克成了朋友。
Now Merk and I are friends.
我非常尊重她。
I respect her.
我特别喜欢她。
I love her.
但我真不明白，这有什么好争论的。
But I do not understand how this is even a debate.
覆盆子的口感简直一团糟。
Raspberries are a textural nightmare.
这植物在花园里是带刺的麻烦，可你从超市买回家，它早就烂了。
The plant is a spiky menace in the garden, but by the time you get home from the grocery store, they've already gone bad.
说到牛油果，我可有话说了。
Avocados, on the other hand, please get me started.
它是蘸酱之王、沙拉之后、玉米片贵族，植物界最丰润的脂肪之一，素食者的最爱。
They're the king of dips, the queen of salads, the archduke of nachos, one of the most luscious fats of the plant kingdom, a vegetarian's delight.
今天它们可能不像蔬果区的颜值担当，但那凹凸不平的绿皮和熟悉的形状，过去可被叫做‘鳄梨’。
They might not seem like the beauty queens of the produce aisle today, but with their bumpy green skin and familiar shape, they were once called alligator pears.
我觉得这名字挺有格调的。
And I think that's pretty chic.
毕竟，鳄鱼皮从来都是时尚前沿的代表。
Gator skin, after all, has always been on the cutting edge of fashion.
这些美丽的水果里，藏着这么多美好。
There's so much beauty held inside these gorgeous fruits.
难怪人类和动物都爱了它们这么久。
It's no wonder humans and animals have been enjoying them for so long.
鳄梨早在数百万年前就出现在中美洲的森林里。
Avocados evolved millions of years ago in the forests of Central America.
大象的祖先用它们长而灵活的鼻子从树上摘下它们。
The ancestors of elephants plucked them from trees with their long, flexible trunks.
一种叫巨爪兽的庞然大物，长得像河马和犀牛的结合体，最爱吃这个。
Huge animals called toxidons that looked like a cross between a hippo and a rhinoceros devoured them.
当然，巨型地懒也是鳄梨的铁粉。
Oh, and, of course, giant ground sloths were avocado fans too.
不过那时候的地懒，可跟现在的不一样。
But these weren't like today's sloths.
它们重达好几百磅，体型能赶上一辆小汽车。
They weighed hundreds of pounds and could be the size of a small car.
而且这些体型庞大、品味绝佳的动物，自然对牛油果情有独钟。
And as megafauna with great taste, obviously, they loved avocados.
好的。
Yo.
快让开，让我也拿几个。
Hurry up and step aside so I can get some.
好的。
Yo.
我不是俄罗斯人。
I'm not Russian.
这些牛油果实在太棒了。
These avocados are too good.
这些家伙可不讲究吃相。
And these guys weren't dainty eaters.
他们根本不会去剥牛油果皮。
They didn't peel avocados.
它们直接整个吞下去。
They swallowed them whole.
科学家认为，这正是鳄梨最初在各地传播的方式。
Scientists think that's how avocados originally spread from place to place.
动物吃了之后，把果核排出来，果核就长成了新的树。
Animals ate them and pooped out their pits, which would grow into new trees.
正因为如此，鳄梨至今仍是最容易发芽的植物之一。
For that reason, avocados are still one of the easiest plants to sprout.
你只需要一个阳光充足的窗台、一杯水，再加几根牙签就行。
You just need a sunny windowsill, a glass of water, and a few toothpicks.
鳄梨在玛雅和阿兹特克等古代文明中有着悠久的历史。
Avocados have a long history among ancient civilizations like the Maya and Aztec.
它们被用来做各种事情——染料、饲料、货币，等等，用途多得很。
They were used for all kinds of things, fabric dye, animal feed, currency, you name it.
对玛雅人来说，鳄梨是神圣的。
Avocados were sacred to the Mayans.
根据传说，他们的祖先会重返人间，化身为鳄梨树。
And according to legend, their ancestors would return to Earth and be reborn as avocado trees.
你还想聊甜点？
And you want to talk dessert?
好吧，来谈谈树莓。
Okay, raspberries.
准备好啦，鳄梨可是有凭有据的。
Get ready because avocados come with receipts.
在巴西，人们会用青柠和糖做成鳄梨奶油甜点。
In Brazil, people make creme de avocado, a sweet avocado dessert made with lime and sugar.
在埃塞俄比亚，有人把鳄梨打成泥，混入木瓜或芒果等水果汁。
In Ethiopia, you can find pureed avocado mixed with fruit juices like papaya and mango.
在菲律宾，人们把鳄梨块和糖、牛奶搅在一起，做成冰棒。
And in The Philippines, people blend chunks of avocado with sugar and milk to make frozen ice pops.
但和树莓不同，鳄梨的用途很广，也能做成咸口的菜。
But unlike raspberries, avocados have range, and they can be savory too.
捣成泥抹在吐司上，包进寿司卷里，打成牛油果酱配薯片，它样样都行。
Mashed up on toast, tucked inside sushi rolls, whipped into guacamole with chips, they do it all.
来做个思想实验吧。
Here's a thought experiment.
想象一个没有覆盆子的世界。
Imagine a world with no raspberries.
天哪。
Oh, no.
我的奶昔里没覆盆子了。
There's no raspberries for my smoothie.
那我只能用草莓、黑莓，或者别的很多味道差不多的浆果来代替了。
I guess I'll just use a strawberry or blackberry or one of the countless other berries that basically do the same thing.
再想象一个没有牛油果的世界。
And now imagine a world with no avocados.
真难吃。
Yuck.
这些薯片太干了。
These chips are too dry.
这沙拉太没意思了。
This salad is boring.
我的卷饼里该用什么来中和辣味呢？
What's gonna balance the spice in my burrito?
我的奶昔太稀了，水水的。
My smoothies are so thin and runny.
我真想 avocado 啊。
I miss avocados.
太可怕了，太遗憾了，连卷饼都变得这么无聊。
The horror, the tragedy, the boring burritos.
所以如果你想要一种能和其他浆果互换的，那就选树莓吧。
So if you want a berry that's interchangeable with most of the others, pick raspberries.
它们挺好的。
They're fine.
但如果你想要一种丝滑可口、甜咸皆宜的美味，它已经让人类和巨地懒陶醉了数千年，在全球各地的菜肴中都无可替代，那我的朋友，你非得选牛油果不可。
But if you want a silky smooth delicious treat that can be sweet or savory, that's been delighting humans and giant sloths for thousands of years, that is absolutely irreplaceable in dishes around the world, then you, my friend, need to go green.
牛油果，没得选。
Avocado all the way.
这番对‘蜥蜴梨’的论述真是丝滑动人。
A silky smooth argument there for the lizard pear.
阿姆布罗西亚，你对这番话印象最深的是什么？
Ambrosia, what stood out to you about that argument?
我特别喜欢他讲的那些历史背景之类的内容。
I loved, like, all of the the focus on history and stuff.
我以前对牛油果了解得太少了。
I did not know that much about avocados.
我唯一知道的就是，种牛油果要消耗大量的水。
The only thing I really knew about them was that, like, they like, so much water has gone into, like, growing them.
所以我就觉得，这东西大概是最近才出现的，像是基因改造出来的新玩意儿。
And so because of that, I kinda thought that they're, like, a new creation, like, you know, a genetic engineering or something like that.
但这太酷了。
But it's so cool.
原来阿兹特克人和玛雅人还把它们当圣物呢。
It's like that they were sacred to the Mayans and stuff like that.
我以前真不知道。
Like, I never knew that.
确实很有趣。
Very cool.
明白了。
Okay.
默克，说说你为什么觉得牛油果特别像牛油果。
Merk, tell us why you think avocados are more like avocados.
你有三十秒时间，现在开始计时。
You have thirty seconds, and your time starts now.
好的。
Okay.
你刚才说，它们有刺。
You said that, you know, they're thorny.
对。
Yes.
因为覆盆子就像水果里的猫。
Because raspberries are like the cats of fruits.
它们会保护自己。
They protect themselves.
如果你懂得怎么摘得刚刚好，那味道就特别好。
They know and if you know how to pick it just right, it's beautiful and fine.
然后你就说，明白了。
And you're like, okay.
是的。
Yeah.
它们会把种子排出来。
They poop out the seeds.
你可以很容易就拿到它们。
You can have them easily accessible.
其实它们需要很多阳光。
You actually have to have a lot of sun.
我不住在
I don't live in a
阳光充足的地方
place that has a lot
而且一年到头都特别暖和。
of sun and that's super warm all the time.
所以实际上没那么好弄到。
So it's actually not as accessible.
而且不是所有浆果都一样。
And also, all berries are not the same.
这种说法太笼统了。
That's such an overgeneralization.
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这么说，完全忽略了各种浆果之间的差别。
That's like that's so color blind to all the berries out
我只是觉得。
I just I'm
我现在有点难过。
sad now.
天哪。
Oh, no.
但我真的很喜欢你的声音。
But I do love your voice.
我也喜欢你的声音，阿多亚。
I love your voice, Adwoa.
喂。
Hey.
阿多亚，有什么话想对梅尔克说吗？
Adwoa, anything you'd like to say to Merk?
我只是想说，我不想伤你的心。
I would just like to say, I don't wanna hurt your feelings.
树莓完全就是特别的。
Raspberries are perfectly special.
我只是想说，如果非得选一个最独特、最美味、最不可替代的，那一定是牛油果。
I'm just saying that if we had to pick the most unique, the most delicious, the most irreplaceable, it would be an avocado.
说得好。
Nicely done.
好的。
Okay.
Ambrosia，现在该给分数了。
Ambrosia, it is time to award some points.
请给最打动你的那番宣言投一分，再给最让你信服的反驳也投一分。
Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over.
什么才算有力的论点，由你们来定。
You get to decide what makes a winning argument.
哪一队的论据更厉害？
Did one team have cooler facts?
哪一队的说法让你流口水了？
Did another team make your mouth water?
把分数投出去吧，但别告诉我们投给了谁。
Award your points, but don't tell us who they're going to.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
我早就决定了。
I sure have.
很好。
Excellent.
阿多亚和默克，你们俩现在感觉怎么样？
Adwoa and Merk, how are you two feeling so far?
感觉不错。
Feeling good.
觉得阿伏伽德罗队很有优势。
Feeling strong for Team Avocado.
对。
Yeah.
事情越来越有意思了。
Things are getting very interesting.
让我们看看。
Let's see that.
好的。
Okay.
该休息一下了。
It is time for a quick break.
去榨杯果汁，或者拿点蘸酱和薯片吃。
Make a smoothie or grab a dip and chips.
我们马上回来，继续精彩对决。
And we'll be right back with more smashboombest.
你正在收听《辩论现状》，这里汇聚了激情澎湃的言辞和令人惊叹的辩论。
You're listening to State of Debate, home to raging rhetoric and awe inspiring argumentation.
大家好，我是辩论迷们。
Hey there, Debatonators.
我是泰勒·林肯，现任反驳女王，今天和我搭档的是我最钟爱的反驳高手，托德·道格拉斯。
This is Taylor Lincoln, reigning queen of rebuttals, and here I am with my favorite rebutt head, Todd Douglas.
说的就是我。
That's me.
泰勒，我跟你说过我最近迷上的真人秀《厨房臭味》了吗？参赛者蒙着眼睛，要猜出那些气味浓烈的菜肴里都有啥食材。
Taylor, have I told you about my new favorite reality show, Kitchen Stink, where blindfolded contestants have to identify the ingredients in stinky meals?
从昨天起，你都说了六百四十三遍了。
Only about 643 times since yesterday.
为什么？
Why?
我想给你看一段昨晚节目的片段。
Well, I wanted to show you this clip from last night's episode.
这正好是个很好的逻辑谬误例子。
It's got a really great example of a logical fallacy.
又一个逻辑谬误？
Another logical fallacy?
哎呀。
Pee you.
这些可是会搞砸你论点的糟糕错误。
Those are stinky mistakes that sabotage your arguments.
放录像吧，托德。
Roll the tape, Todd.
好的，达顿。
Okay, Dalton.
这轮我给你准备了个特别冲鼻子的。
I've prepared a real nostril tickler for you this round.
说说看里面都有啥，别瞎猜。
Tell me what the ingredients are and no beaking.
这嗅觉真准啊，帕科主厨。
The sniffer is prime, chef Paco.
我闻到抱子甘蓝的味道了，那这道菜肯定放了腌鲱鱼。
I can smell brussels sprouts, so that means this dish definitely has pickled herring in it.
厨师们总是把腌鲱鱼和抱子甘蓝搭配在一起。
Chefs always combine pickled herring and brussels sprouts.
什么？
What?
是的。
Yeah.
也许这算个规矩吧。
Maybe it's a rule or something.
我闻过的三道菜，都用了这个组合。
All three dishes I've sniffed so far have had that combo.
鱼香甘蓝派、裹着鲱鱼酱的脆炸甘蓝球，还有你做的甘蓝鲱鱼浓汤。
The fishy sprout quiche, those crispy tempura sprout nuggets with herring dip, and that sprout and herring chowder you made.
所以我觉得这道菜里肯定也有卷心菜和腌鲱鱼。
So I'm sure this dish has sprouts and herring too.
但你真闻到鲱鱼的味道了吗？
But do you even smell herring?
嗯，没有。
Well, no.
不过根据这个规律，我推断这两样东西肯定都有。
But based on the pattern, I figured out it must be both of them.
对吧？
Right?
规矩就是规矩。
A rule's a rule.
鲱鱼配卷心菜。
Herring and sprouts.
这就是我的最终答案。
That's my final answer.
天哪。
Woah.
听上去，达尔顿的推理才是让这厨房臭气熏天的根源。
Sounds like Dalton's argument is what's stinking up that kitchen.
达尓顿以为，因为他之前在帕科主厨的菜里闻到过腌鲱鱼和卷心菜，就认定这两样食材总是搭配在一起。
Dalton assumed that because he'd smelled pickled herring and brussels sprouts together in chef Paco's previous dishes that those two ingredients always go together.
这典型的是一种错觉，明明只是巧合，却硬要从模式里找规律来支撑论点。
That's a classic cluster illusion, making an argument based on a pattern when that pattern could actually just be a coincidence.
达尓顿无视了眼前和鼻子里的证据，死死抓住那个根本不存在的模式不放。
Dalton ignored the evidence right in front of his nose and inside his nose and stuck to that imaginary pattern.
我不确定你怎么样，但我现在真有点饿了。
I don't know about you, but this is making me hungry.
想吃点零食吗？
Want a snack?
我怕是以后再也提不起食欲了，托德。
I'm not sure if I'm ever gonna be hungry again, Todd.
好嘞。
Okey dokey.
那我再吃点凤尾鱼小点心。
More anchovy bites for me.
呸。
Blech.
你尽管吃，不过得去别的房间另坐一张桌子。
You can have them and a separate table in a different room.
下次再见，敬请关注
We'll see you next time on
辩论现场。
State of debate.
smashboombest。
Smashboombest.
您正在收听 smashboombest。
You're listening to smashboombest.
我是主持人，莫莉·布卢姆。
I'm your host, Molly Bloom.
我是评委，安布罗西亚。
And I'm your judge, Ambrosia.
我们特别喜欢听听众提出的辩论建议，比如这条。
And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this one.
我叫里弗，我的辩论主题是蟋蟀和蚱蜢。
My name is River, and my debate idea is crickets versus grasshoppers.
这种昆虫之间的对决真有意思。
An insect rivalry fun.
我们会在节目最后听听里弗觉得谁会赢。
We'll hear who River thinks should win
在
at the
节目结束时。
end of the show.
好，现在回到我们的辩论：牛油果对树莓。
And now it's back to our debate, avocados versus raspberries.
没错。
Yep.
接下来进入第二轮，微轮。
And now it's time for round two, the
微轮。
micro round.
该来一场事实对决了。
It's time for a fact off.
阿多亚和默克每人将有三次机会，提出一个基于亮点的微型论点。
Adwoa and Merk will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool factor idea.
上一轮是默克先发言的。
Merk went first last round.
所以，阿多亚，你先来。
So, Adwoa, you start us off.
来听听你关于牛油果的第一个观点。
Let's hear your first fact for Avocados.
‘牛油果’这个词本身听起来就更酷。
So avocado is objectively a cooler word.
‘拉丝’到底是什么意思啊？
Like, what is a rasp anyway?
为什么非得叫‘浆果’呢？
And why is it in a berry?
再看‘牛油果’，这名字多带感。
Meanwhile Why not?
‘牛油果’这个词听着就很潮，源自古阿兹特克语。
Meanwhile, the word avocado sounds rad and comes from the ancient Aztec.
这种美味的东西，以前还被叫做‘奶油果’。
These tasty treats have also been called butter fruit.
还有我提过的‘鳄梨’，这些名字都太有范儿了。
And as I mentioned, alligator pears, which again, super cool names.
覆盆子跟艺术有关系。
Raspberries are connected to art.
因为它们像五彩斑斓的万花筒一样好看。
It's because they're they're cool colored kaleidoscopes.
有红色、紫色、黄色、金色和黑色的。
They come in red, purple, yellow, gold, and black.
所以其实它们不能互相替代。
So, you know, they're not interchangeable actually.
中世纪的欧洲人还用这些浆果来画手抄本，也就是说，你其实能吃那些颜料。
And in medieval Europe, they used the berries to paint manuscripts, you know, so you could you could eat that paint.
对你来说是安全的。
It's safe for you.
金色的覆盆子？
Gold raspberries?
什么？
What?
对吧？
Right?
我知道。
I know.
如果谈健康，牛油果富含营养，是健康脂肪的绝佳来源，而这些脂肪正是身体所需要的。
If you wanna talk health, avocados are packed with nutrients and are an excellent source of healthy fats, which your body needs.
它们对眼睛和大脑也很有好处，这挺妙的，意味着你不仅能认出超市里的牛油果，还有足够的智慧去买它。
They're also great for your eyes and brain, which is good because that means not only can you spot avocados at the store, you also have the smarts to buy them.
其实覆盆子不止是一种水果。
Well, raspberries aren't just one fruit.
它们实际上是许多小果子组成的，你知道的，那些小颗粒，每一个都是独立的果实。
They're actually a bunch of mini fruits because each drooplet, you know, those little bubbles, they're their own fruit.
所以当你吃一颗覆盆子的时候，其实是一次性摄入了大量水果。
So when you eat a single raspberry, you're actually eating so much fruit at one time.
你这简直是在疯狂吃水果，懂吧？
You're basically fruit maxing, you know?
水果狂吃啊。
Fruit maxing.
我得告诉我兄弟这个说法。
I'm gonna tell my brother that.
他一直想跟我讲这个，我觉得《Brain's Odd》里有一集讲过覆盆子什么的。
He's been trying to tell me about that because I think there's an episode in Brain's Odd about raspberries or something.
我之前一直不明白他什么意思，现在才恍然大悟。
And I've been so confused on what he meant, but it makes so much sense now.
其实就是水果狂吃。
It's just fruit maxing.
喂。
Hey.
我以为我能帮上你。
I thought that I could help you.
抱歉，默克。
Sorry, Merk.
我得在这儿说说芒果，因为比如超级碗真正的赢家，一直都是牛油果。
I'm gonna produce mog you here because the real winner of the Super Bowl, for example, is always avocados.
2026年有人估算，美国人在超级碗那天会吃掉两亿八千万磅的牛油果。
In 2026, it was estimated that Americans would eat 280,000,000 pounds of avocados on Super Bowl Sunday.
天哪。
Woah.
因为显而易见，真正的超级碗其实就是那一碗鳄梨酱。
Because obviously, the real Super Bowl is that bowl of guacamole.
嘿。
Hey.
你
You
你知道吗？
know what?
你这话可把我给难住了。
You kinda put me in a jam with that one.
但我那个酷炫的小知识是关于覆盆子的形状。
But but but my cool fact is the shape of the raspberry.
你知道吗？它们里面是空心的。
So you know how they're hollow inside?
你可以把一颗蓝莓塞进去，做成水果拼搭。
You can stick a blueberry inside of them and make a berry and a berry combo.
就像火鸡三明治，只不过这是水果版的。
It's like the turducken, but for fruit.
而且还是纯素友好的。
So it's vegan friendly.
还能看到不同的颜色搭配。
You get different colors.
这确实是个挺有意思的知识。
That's that's a cool fact.
你自己其实也能这么做。
And you could you could do that yourself.
你知道吧。
You know?
我回头想试试。
I wanna try that later.
去试吧。
Do it.
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
你们说的这些事实真棒。
What good facts, you guys.
好吧。
Okay.
阿莫西亚，这可真难选。
Ambrosia, this is tough.
从牛油果队和树莓队里，你觉得哪些事实最突出？
Which facts stood out to you from Team Avocados and Team Raspberries?
哦，这挺难的。
Oh, that's difficult.
关于水果抢劫的内容太多了，我都分心了。
There was so much about fruit mugging that I got distracted.
哦，我特别喜欢，我从来不知道覆盆子还有不同颜色的。
Oh, I did really love like, I'd never knew that raspberries came in different colors.
而且它们居然被用来做颜料之类的东西，真的太酷了。
And the fact that they were used in, like, paints and stuff, that's just really cool.
还有牛油果，那个超级碗的数据也很棒。
And then avocados, that's that Super Bowl fact is also really nice.
我们家特别喜欢橄榄球。
My family is really into football.
所以作为加拿大家庭，我们在这一点上有点不一样。
So, you know, for a Canadian family, we're a bit different in that way.
我们家不光是关注冰球，我喜欢这个传统，因为每到超级碗周日，我总爱摆一盘莎莎酱配薯片。
It's not all about the hockey for us, but I love that idea because I always love having, like, know, a bowl of guacamole and some chips on Super Bowl Sundays.
真的很不错。
It's really nice.
太棒了。
Excellent.
这些事实都很精彩。
Those were really great facts.
但关于‘天使果’，只有队伍能得分。
But, ambrosia, only one team can get a point.
评判标准完全主观，由你说了算。
The criteria are totally subjective and totally up to you.
你做出决定了吗？
Have you made your decision?
决定了。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
这事别外传，马上回来。
Keep it secret, and we'll be right back.
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Plus, you get to do virtual hangs with me and the crew and get discounts on merch.
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Sign up at brainson.org.
谢谢。
Thanks.
砰。
Boom.
砰。
Boom.
砰。
Boom.
砰。
Boom.
砰。
Boom.
啪。
Smash.
砰。
Boom.
休息。
Rest.
我们回来了，今天要聊的是超市蔬果区的两位大咖：牛油果和树莓。
We're back with two titans of the produce section at the grocery store, avocados and raspberries.
准备好啦，接下来要登场的是
And get ready because here comes the
面具。
Mask.
偷袭。
Sneak attack.
这是我们即兴安排的一轮辩论，辩手们需要当场应对一个挑战。
This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot.
今天的挑战是：换个名字。
Today's challenge is by any other name.
假设你们这一方没有名字。
Pretend your side doesn't have a name.
给你的东西想出三个替代名称。
Come up with three alternative names for your thing.
比如，如果我的一方是薄荷糖，我可能会叫它‘薄荷冬日棒’或者‘薄荷棒’。
Like, if my side was a candy cane, I might name it minty winter sticks or peppermint poles.
这个挑战清楚吗？
Does this challenge make sense?
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Alright.
默克，你先来。
Merk, you're gonna go first.
给覆盆子起个新名字。
Give us a new name for raspberries.
爆裂植物乐园。
Poppin' plant paradise.
三P。
Triple p.
我喜欢这个。
I like it.
爆裂植物乐园。
Poppin' plant paradise.
好的。
Okay.
阿多亚，该你了。
Adwoa, your turn.
说说你给牛油果起的新名字吧。
Let's hear your brand new name for avocados.
我的名字本来就有很多叫法，那我就选‘鳄梨’吧。
Well, mine is already a berry of many names, so I'm gonna go with alligator pear.
行。
Okay.
默克，再给树莓想个新名字。
Merk, another name for raspberries.
哦，哦，有机水果喷涌者。
Oh, oh, organic fruit gusher.
显而易见。
Duh.
是的
Yeah.
太好了
Excellent.
好的
Okay.
阿多亚？
Adwoa?
果昔 delight
Smoothies delight.
对
Mhmm.
是的
Yeah.
这个词也可以用在覆盆子上。
Which could be used for raspberries too.
我马上就
I'm just about
先把它给出去。
to give it to first.
好的，默克。
Okay, Merk.
你最后一个别名。
Your last alternative name.
医生最推荐的水果，富含抗氧化剂。
Doctor's number one fruit full of antioxidants.
这整个就是一个词。
That's all one word.
要加连字符吗？
Hyphens?
不加连字符？
No hyphens?
我特别喜欢连字符。
I love hyphens.
所有的
All
连字符。
hyphens.
太棒了。
Excellent.
而且，
And,
阿多亚，说说你的最后一个牛油果名字吧。
Adwoa, let's hear your last Avocado name.
我就叫它含脂肪最多又最健康的。
I'm gonna call it the healthy fat with the mostest.
真好听。
Oh, lovely.
真棒。
Lovely.
好的。
Okay.
Ambrosia，这些名字都挺不错的。
Ambrosia, these are some pretty good names.
很快我们可能就会在超市里看到它们了。
We'll probably be seeing them in a grocery store soon.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
不过，请给这个突然袭击加一分。
But please award a point for this sneak attack.
你可以根据幽默感、描述力，或者任何你认为合适的标准来评判。
You can judge based on humor, descriptive power, whatever.
只管选个胜者，别告诉我们是谁。
Just pick a winner and don't tell us who it is.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made up your mind?
早就决定了。
I sure have.
太棒了。
Awesome.
那我们现在进入最后一轮。
Then it's time for our final round.
最后六强。
The final six.
这一轮，每支队伍只能用六个词来概括自己一方的精彩之处。
In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side.
阿多亚，你先来。
Adwoa, you're up first.
说说为什么牛油果简直太棒了。
Tell us why avocados are utterly awesome.
顺滑又营养，历史上一直备受尊崇的本土瑰宝。
Creamy nutritionist, indigenous icons throughout history.
很不错。
Very nice.
好，Merk，该你了。
Okay, Merk.
这是你最后一次为树莓加油了。
It's your last chance to rev us up for raspberries.
成熟、迷人、如红宝石般绚丽、壮丽、浓稠流淌。
Ripe, ravishing, rubiesque, glorious, goopy gush.
哎呀，又来这一套押头韵了。
Oh, the alliteration again.
太夸张了。
That's crazy.
天哪。
Oh, boy.
这题真难，但Ambrosia，麻烦给这最后六分颁个奖吧。
This is a tough one, but Ambrosia, please award a final point for this final six.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
我选好了。
I got it.
好的。
Okay.
你们准备好宣布哪一方是终极冠军了吗？
Are you ready to crown one side the smashboombest?
我早就准备好了。
I sure am.
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
请来点鼓声。
Drumroll, please.
获胜的是覆盆子。
And the winner is raspberries.
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
Ambrosia，最打动你的瞬间是什么？
Ambrosia, what was the moment?
你最喜欢的是哪一部分？
What was your favorite thing?
我特别喜欢你讲到它们是专为颜料设计的那段。
I really loved when you talked about how they are made for paints.
这太棒了。
That is so cool.
还有整段话里那些押头韵的地方，也特别出色。
And also just like all of the alliteration throughout this entire thing.
整个过程真的太精彩了。
It's been so good.
比如，‘植物乐园’之类的？
Like, Poppin' Plant Paradise?
对。
Yes.
谢谢。
Thanks.
Adwoa，我真的很喜欢你这个人，而且我特别喜欢这个‘Rasp pecked’（双关语）的设计。
Adwoa, I love everything about you as a human being, and I Rasp pecked
你们今天所有的贡献
everything that you have contributed
都让这场辩论变得非常精彩。
to today's debate.
听着，我特别喜欢牛油果。
Listen, I love avocados.
我学到了好多关于那些动物的知识，比如它们是怎么靠粪便来传播种子的。
I learned so much about, you know, those animals and, you know, how they got around through poop.
太棒了。
That's amazing.
默克，你总是逗我笑。
Merk, you always crack me up.
我其实超爱树莓的味道，就是不喜欢果肉的口感。
I actually love raspberry flavor, just not the texture of the actual fruit.
谢谢你。
So thank you.
好了，今天这场辩论就到这里。
Well, that is it for today's debate battle.
安布罗西亚宣布树莓是最佳赢家。
Ambrosia crowned Raspberries the smashboombest.
那你怎么看？
But what about you?
去 smashboomb.org 投票，告诉我们你觉得谁赢了。
Head to smashboomb.org and book to tell us who you think won.
本集由我、莫莉·布卢姆和马克·桑切斯共同制作。
This episode was produced by me, Molly Bloom, and Marc Sanchez.
音效设计由蕾切尔·布里兹负责，主题曲则是马克·桑切斯创作的。
It was sound designed by Rachel Breeze, and Marc Sanchez wrote our theme song.
制作过程中还得到了昆特·维斯库普的技术支持。
We had engineering help from Quint Viscup.
我们的播音员是马利·福尔沃克·奥托，特别感谢奥斯汀·克罗斯和泰勒·考夫曼。
Our announcer is Marley Foilworker Auto, and we wanna give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman.
阿多瓦，今天你有什么人想特别提一提吗？
Adwoa, is there anyone you'd like to give a shout out to today?
有。
Yes.
感谢阿卡西亚、卢平·福布斯，还有丽莎·傅。
Shout out to Acacia and Lupin Forbes and to Lisa Fu.
那你呢，默克？
And how about you, Merk?
还有什么特别要感谢的人吗？
Any special shout outs?
哦，有的。
Oh, yeah.
我想感谢太阳，它孕育了这么多美味的水果，还有水，滋养着我们所有人。
I'd like to give a shout out to the sun for just growing all this wonderful fruit, water for, you know, hydrating all of us.
还有我的婆婆，她叫罗斯，而树莓和玫瑰是近亲。
But also my mother-in-law, her name is Rose, and Raspberries are related to roses.
她是个特别温柔的人。
So she's a very sweet lady.
真想特别提她一下。
Wanna give her a shout out.
还有牛油果啊，Adwoa，这可得记着。
And, of course, Avocados Adwoa, gotta promise.
哎呀。
Aw.
也给你点个赞，Merk。
Shout out to you too, Merk.
还有Anne和Brochia，你们呢？
And, Anne, Brochia, how about you?
有什么特别想感谢的人吗？
Any special thanks for shout outs?
首先，一定要感谢我的兄弟姐妹，是他们让这一切成为可能。
First and foremost, definitely my siblings for making all of this happen.
是他们把我介绍给这个节目的，所以特别感谢Mara和Archie。
They're the ones that introduced me to the show, so shout out to Mara and Archie.
真的非常谢谢你们。
Thank you guys so much.
我爱你们俩。
I love you both.
还有我最好的朋友Maddie，永远如此。
And also to my best friend, Maddie, always forever.
我们会一起长大。
We will grow up together.
真感人。
Aw.
特别感谢我的老师布朗先生，天哪，正是他让我在研讨课上更深入地参与辩论。
Thank you so much to my teachers, mister Brown, oh my goodness, for getting me into debating more in seminars.
这真的特别有趣。
That's been so fun.
谢谢你们邀请我参加这个节目。
Thank you guys for having me on the show.
当然。
Of course.
谢谢你们的到来。
Thank you for being here.
在结束之前，我们来聊聊，谁觉得蟋蟀和蚱蜢的辩论该谁赢？
Before we go, let's check-in and see whoever thinks should win the debate between crickets and grasshoppers.
我觉得蟋蟀应该赢，因为通过数它们叫的次数，就能知道天气有多热。
I think crickets should win because you can tell how hot it is by counting the number of chirps a cricket makes.
没错。
It's true.
天气越暖和，蟋蟀就越活跃。
Crickets move faster when it's warmer.
所以，只要在固定时间内数一数它们叫了多少次，再稍微算一算，就能估算出温度。
So counting the number of chirps in a given amount of time implying some math to that can give you an estimate of the temperature.
这叫多尔伯特定律。
It's something called Dolebert's law.
谢谢，里弗。
Thanks, River.
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If you're between the ages of 13 and 18 and you'd like to be a judge or or if you're any age and you have an idea for a knockdown drag out debate, head to smashboomb.org/contact and drop us a line.
如果你喜欢这个节目，想支持它继续做下去，请到 smartypass.org 订阅。
And if you're a fan of the show and wanna keep it going, head to smartypass.org to subscribe.
我们下周回来，带来新的一期《SmashBoomBest》，主题是发短信还是打电话。
We'll be back next week with a new smashboombest episode, texting versus phone calls.
再见。
Bye.
再见。
Bye
再见。
bye.
回头见。
Rasp you later.
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