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层压板。
Laminata.
大脑与宇宙。
Brains on universe.
批判性思维比以往任何时候都更重要。
Thinking critically is more important than ever.
所以我们才推出了Smashboombest。
That's why we make smashboombest.
我们希望每个孩子都能学会辨别有力的论点，也能识别逻辑谬误，但如果没有你的支持，这一切都无从谈起。
We want every kid to know how to spot a good argument and how to call out a logical fallacy, but none of it is possible without your support.
说实话，要是听众不帮忙，我们可能就撑不下去了，不过这点其实很简单。
Seriously, we could disappear if our listeners don't step up, but that part is easy.
只要加入Smarty Pass就行。
Just join Smarty Pass.
你可以免费收听无广告版本的节目，参与我们团队的线上专属活动，享受周边商品折扣，还有更多福利。
You'll get access to ad free versions of our shows, special online hangs with our crew, discounts on merch, and more.
而且，你知道自己在帮助我们支付辩手、音效设计师、编剧等人的报酬，这种感觉真的很棒。
Plus, you'll feel great knowing you're helping us pay our debaters, sound designers, writers, and more.
立即前往 smartypass.org 加入吧。
Join now at smartypass.org.
谢谢。
Thank you.
现在，节目正式开始。
Now it's showtime.
由《Brains on》的原班人马打造，欢迎收看《Smashboombest》。
From the brains behind brains on, it's smashboombest.
专为有鲜明观点的人打造的节目。
The show for people with big opinions.
你好。
Hi.
我是莫莉·布卢姆，欢迎收听《Smashboombest》。
I'm Molly Bloom, and this is smashboombest.
这档节目，我们会挑两样东西，把它们拼在一起，然后让你来选哪个更好。
The show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best.
今天，我们要在花海里逛一逛。
Today, we're frolicking through the flowers.
一样是格兰特心愿里那种明黄的色彩。
One is butter yellow in Grant's wishes.
另一样则纤巧又耀眼。
The other is delicate and dazzling.
没错。
That's right.
是蒲公英对上兰花。
It's dandelions versus orchids.
为兰花辩护的，是《SmashBoomBest》的联合创始人桑登·托顿。
Here to argue for orchids, it's smashboombest cocreator, Sanden Totten.
嗨。
Hey.
我是兰花代表，今天来让蒲公英好好光合作用。
The Orchid kid here to cut dandelions down to photosynthesize.
哦。
Oh.
为蒲公英辩护的，是电影人、作家兼导演关关一也。
And doing the most for dandelions, it's filmmaker, writer, and director, Jun Sekiya.
我是关关，代表蒲公英阵营报道。
Jun here reporting for Dandelion Duty.
很好。
Excellent.
负责评判这两朵花的，是来自加州帕萨迪纳的肖恩。
And here to stop and judge the flowers is Sean from Pasadena, California.
肖恩喜欢读书、打电子游戏，最近开始练合气道，还自己养了四年盆景。
Sean loves to read books and play video games, recently started doing aikido, and has been growing his own Bonsai for four years.
你好，肖恩。
Hi, Sean.
你好。
Hello.
好的，Sean。
Okay, Sean.
万一有人不了解，什么是盆栽呢？
So in case people don't know, what are Bonsai?
一般来说，盆栽是一棵已经长成的大树，经过长时间的培育，适应了在小花盆里生长。
Well, on average, a Bonsai is a full grown tree that is adapted over time to being encapsulated in a small pot.
所以就是一棵小小的树？
So it's like a tiny little tree?
差不多吧。
Basically.
那自己养盆栽意味着什么呢？
And so what does it mean to grow your own bonsai?
这其实就像一种爱好，也像一个朋友，因为你的树永远不会背叛你。
It's really like a hobby, like a friend, because your tree, he cannot betray you.
他总会陪着你。
He's always here for you.
这真美。
That's beautiful.
那具体需要做些什么呢？
And so so what does it take?
就是说，养盆栽的步骤有哪些？
Like, are kind of the steps to growing a bonsai?
其实没大家说的那么难。
It's really not hard at all in contrary to what people say.
你每天就给它浇点水，它就会成为你的朋友。
You just like, every day, just water him a little bit and he'll be your friend.
它会慢慢长成一棵大树。
He'll grow up into a big tree.
耐心等着就行。
Just wait.
你得给他时间，还要多留心。
You give him time and you pay attention.
比如说你买了一棵盆栽，天天浇水，过几年就得修剪了。
So let's say you get a bonsai and you just water it, and then after a few years, you have to trim it.
但听起来，你意思是说它们其实挺省心的。
But it sounds like overall, like you're saying they're pretty low maintenance.
对。
Yeah.
有时候你去市场买盆栽，那其实只是随便插进土里的一小段树枝。
Sometimes the market you buy a bonsai, that's really just a snippet of a tree that just been shoved into the dirt.
这些根本就是坑人，因为大家心想：我要买盆栽。
And those are really scams because people are like, I want a bonsai.
结果去市场买了，没多久就死了，可你根本没做错什么。
And then you go in the market and you buy that and it dies, but you didn't do anything wrong.
这样一来，你就彻底打消了想再养的念头。
So it cuts off your entire sense of wanting Oh.
一棵盆栽。
A bonsai.
那你怎么才能知道，你买的是真货，而不是坑人的，不会让你失望的那种？
So how do you know if you're if it's like not a scam, like a real one that won't make you disappointed?
说实话，很难分辨。
Really, it's hard to know.
你可以试着去一些靠谱的地方，比如市场里一位年长的师傅那儿。
Like, you could start from going to go to like a authentic place, like some old guy in a market.
那种人应该靠得住。
That's probably a good guy.
可别去Trader Joe's，那儿的多半就是随便插进土里的枝条。
Not like Trader Joe's because that is probably just some random snippet.
聪明。
Smart.
明智。
Smart.
好的。
Okay.
你现在一共有多少盆盆栽？
So how many bonsai do you have right now?
大概有二十盆吧。
I'd say, like, 20.
真不错。
Nice.
太酷了。
That is so cool.
肖恩会选兰花还是蒲公英？
Will Sean go for Orchids or Dandelions?
马上就知道了。
We're about to find out.
不过在那之前，先说说游戏规则。
But first, the rules of the game.
每场辩论共有四个环节： greatness 宣布、微轮、突袭战和最后六强。
Every debate consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack, and the final six.
每轮结束后，我们的评委肖恩会给表现最出色的一方打分，但他的评分会严格保密，直到辩论全部结束才公布。
After each round, our judge, Sean, will award points to the team that impresses him the most, but he'll keep his decisions top secret until the end of the debate.
各位听众，我们也希望你们来当评委。
Listeners, we want you to judge too.
听的时候，记得给双方打分。
Mark down your points as you listen.
节目结束之后，请访问我们的网站 smashboomb.org，投出你认为的胜者。
At the end of the show, head to our website smashboomb.org and vote for whichever team you think won.
好的。
Okay.
俊、桑登、肖恩，你们准备好了吗？
Jun, Sanden, and Sean, are you ready?
当然了。
Oh, yeah.
随时准备开干。
Ready to rumble.
当然。
Of course.
那么，现在进入第一轮——
Then it's time for the
伟大宣言。
Declaration of Greatness.
在这一轮里，辩手们要提出一个精心设计、引人入胜的论点，支持自己的立场。
In this round, our debaters will present a well crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side.
之后，每人有三十秒时间反驳对方的观点。
Then they'll each have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements.
我们抛了硬币，Jun，你先来。
We flipped a coin, and, Jun, you're up first.
为蒲公英全力出击。
Put the pedal to the metal for dandelions.
你我都知道蒲公英有多棒，但不是每个人都这么想。
You know and I know how awesome dandelions are, but not everyone feels this way.
别踩我的地。
Get off my lawn.
先生，我没站在您的地里。
Sir, I am not on your lawn.
我是说比喻意义上的地。
Metaphorical lawn.
我听见你说蒲公英很棒。
I heard you say dandelions are awesome.
没错。
I did.
如果你喜欢杂草，也许会觉得它们很棒。
Maybe they're awesome if you love weeds.
我就知道会这样。
I knew this was going to happen.
别人看到的是杂草，我看到的却是奇妙。
Where some people see weeds, I see wonder.
事实上，蒲公英被当成杂草也不过才一百年左右。
In fact, dandelions have only been considered weeds for about a hundred years.
在此之前，人们都认为它是种既美丽又极具用处的神奇植物。
Before that, they were seen as a super powered plant that is as helpful as it is beautiful.
老先生，咱们出去散散步吧。
Cranky old sir, let's go for a walk.
我能带上我的割草机吗？
Can I bring my weed whacker?
咱们要去的地方，用不着割草机。
Where we're going, we don't need weed whackers.
咱们来看看路边这片蒲公英吧。
Let's take a look at this patch of dandelions growing on the boulevard.
首先，看看这些可爱的黄花，像一片片小小的暖阳，正冲着你微笑。
First of all, look at these friendly yellow flowers, like a field of tiny soft suns glowing up at you.
看看它们长长的绿茎和锯齿状的叶子，再看这朵。
Look at their long green stems and spiky leaves, and look at this one.
它已经变成蒲公英球了。
It's already turned into a puffball.
真的吗？
No.
我小时候特别喜欢找这种东西。
I loved finding those when I was a kid.
你瞧。
Look.
每一颗小种子都靠着它的冠毛，随时准备随风飘走。
Each little seed is ready to float away thanks to its papus.
那些连在种子上的白色小伞状结构，就叫冠毛。
Those are what the delicate white umbrellas attached to each seed are called.
我以前总觉得，它们飘走的时候像优雅的芭蕾舞者。
I used to think they looked like graceful ballerinas as they floated away.
最棒的是，你可以对这些蓬松的小家伙许个愿。
And the best part, you can make a wish on these poofy beauties.
闭上眼睛，心里想着你的愿望，然后轻轻一吹。
Close your eyes, think of your wish, and blow.
看那些种子飞得多美。
Look at the seeds fly.
你许了什么愿啊，老先生？
What did you wish for, cranky old sir?
我许了。
I wished.
我许了。
I wished
真的吗？
Yeah?
我希望你别再把蒲公英的种子吹得满我草坪都是了。
For you to stop blowing dandelions seeds all over my lawn.
不管是我吹的还是风吹的，这些小家伙天生就是为了飞得远、传播美丽。
Well, whether or not I'm blowing the seeds or the wind is, these little guys are designed to fly far and spread their beauty.
它们几乎能在任何地方生根，一旦扎下根，根系就会深深扎进土里。
They can take root almost anywhere, and once they do, those roots grow deep.
你就算把花剪掉，只要根还在，年年都会重新长出来。
You may chop off their flowers, but once that root is there, it will keep growing back year after year.
在日本，它们叫‘たんぽぽ’，被视为勇气的象征。
In Japan, they're called tampopo and are seen as symbols of courage.
事实上，这些勇敢的小生命在全球都备受喜爱，这并不难理解。
In fact, these courageous little guys are beloved all over the world, and it's easy to understand why.
它们不只是赏心悦目的风景，还能提振心情。
They're not just a picturesque view and a boost to your spirits.
对你的身体健康也有好处。
They're good for your physical health too.
蒲公英富含维生素A、C、K，还有钙和钾。
Dandelions are full of vitamins a, c, and k, calcium, and potassium.
蒲公英的每一部分都能吃——花、叶子和根都行。
You can eat every part of the dandelion, the flower, the greens, and the roots.
用花瓣可以酿蒲公英酒，而根部还是传统根汁啤酒的原料之一。
You can make dandelion wine with the flower petals, and dandelion roots are one of the ingredients in traditional root beer.
蒲公英叶在世界各地的料理中都很常见，没尝过天妇罗炸蒲公英花，真算白活了。
Dandelion greens are a popular ingredient in cuisines from all over the world, and you haven't lived until you've tried the tempura dandelion flower.
只要油炸，啥都好吃。
Anything is good if you deep fry it.
除了美味又营养，蒲公英作为草药已经用了上千年。
In addition to it being delicious and nutritious, dandelions have been used as a medicine for thousands of years.
用它泡茶、做药水或药膏，能治发烧、牙痛、肠胃不适等各种毛病。
Teas, tonics, and balms made of the plant treated everything from fevers to toothaches to tummy troubles.
十六世纪有医生写过，蒲公英的汁液能治脱发。
A physician wrote in the fifteen hundreds that the juice could be a cure for baldness.
哦，这下我可真感兴趣了。
Oh, now you have my attention.
而且它对人类的帮助可不止这一点。
And it's not just a helper to humans.
蒲公英为鸟类、鹿、花栗鼠等许多动物提供了营养。
Dandelions provide nourishment to birds, deer, chipmunks, and more.
而且在早春时节，当其他花还没开的时候，昆虫就能从蒲公英那里获取花蜜。
Plus, insects can get nectar from dandelions in early spring at a time where few other flowers are in bloom.
你让我捋一捋。
Let me get this straight.
蒲公英能吃，能入药，还能帮小动物，自己还特别好养活，不用人管就能到处长。
Dandelions are good to eat, have been used as medicine, are helpful to cute critters, and don't need anything from anyone to grow and proliferate.
可我呢，还天天浇水、施肥、折腾工具，就为了 keep 这一小块草坪绿油油的，单调无聊，其实它本可以是一片小太阳和愿望的海洋啊。
And in the meantime, I'm using lots of water and fertilizer and tools to keep this patch of lawn green and boring when it could in fact be a field of mini suns and future wishes.
看来你明白了。
Seems like you got it.
好吧，六月。
Okay, June.
看来我得许个愿了。
Looks like I have some wishing to do.
好的。
Okay.
我数到三。
On the count of three.
一、二、三。
One, two, three.
哎呀，我好想知道你许了什么愿。
Oh, I wanna know what you wished for.
行。
Okay.
肖恩，你对Jun的论点印象最深的是什么？
Sean, what stood out to you about Jun's arguments?
我觉得他的论点非常有说服力。
That was a very solid argument to me.
我特别喜欢那段有自然风光、鸟儿在鸣叫的场景。
I like the part where there was nature and the birds chirping.
那段挺棒的。
That was good.
我还特别喜欢那个老头，因为他就是我。
And I really like the old man because that's me.
他那时候还说：别踩我的草坪。
He was like, get off my lawn.
那就是
That's
我。
me.
太棒了。
Excellent.
我也同意，吹蒲公英真的特别有趣。
I also I do agree that blowing dandelions is super fun.
真的特别有趣。
It is really super fun.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Mhmm.
好的。
Alright.
桑登，你有三十秒的时间吹走蒲公英，现在开始计时。
Well, Sanden, you have thirty seconds to blow dandelions away, and your time starts now.
明白。
Okay.
首先，很多人觉得它们是杂草，但我建议你相信自己的直觉。
Well, first of all, a lot of people do think they're weeds, and I wanna say trust your intuition.
明白吗？
Okay?
在美国，这些植物都不是本地原生的，它们常常抢占本地植物本该生长的地盘，让本地植物根本长不出来，因为这些花竞争力太强了。
These are, here in The US, non native plants, which means that they often take over areas that native plants are you know, wanna pop out of, and they can't because these are hypercompetitive little flowers.
就像社交媒体上刷屏的网红广告一样。
They're like an influencer spamming your feed.
我就在这儿。
They're just like, I'm here.
我在这儿呢。
I'm over here.
我在这儿呢。
I'm over here.
它们总想拼命刷存在感。
They're just always trying to show up.
它们不能吃。
You can't eat them.
味道很苦。
They're bitter.
明白吧？
Okay?
而且啊，你也可以对兰花许愿。
And, you know, you can wish on orchids too.
你的愿望可能不会实现，但你还是可以向它许愿。
Your wish might not come true, but you can wish on him.
还有，像蒲公英这类花，对昆虫来说也没多少营养。
And, you know, like, dandelions, they they're not that nutritious for bugs either.
它们的蛋白质含量低得出了名。
Famously low in protein for bugs.
我觉得一个人可能会说它是入侵物种，但换个角度，它也像一种移民花卉。
I think that it's you one person would call it invasive, but, like, it's also, like, a immigrant flower, you would say.
它是一种特别美国式的花，正在向海外扩散，而且非常普遍，特别顽强。
So it's, like, a very American kind of flower that is, like, spreading overseas and, you know, just, like, a very common hardworking flower.
接下来，我们将听到桑登和兰花团队的分享。
Well, coming up, we're gonna hear from Sanden and Team Orchid.
不过在那之前，先插个广告。
But first, a quick break.
太棒了。
Best.
碾压。
Smash.
碾压。
Smash.
太棒了。
Best.
好的。
Okay.
蒲公英已经风光过一回了，现在轮到兰花大放异彩了。
Dandelions had their turn to roar, but now it's Orchids' time to shine.
桑登，说说你为什么这么认真地推崇兰花。
Sanden, tell us why you're not or kidding about orchids.
这是一个爱情故事，但不是一见钟情。
This is a love story, but not love at first sight.
事实上，有一段时间，兰花让我特别头疼。
In fact, for a time, orchids stressed me out.
我经常做噩梦，梦见自己走在一条黑漆漆的小巷里。
I have nightmares that I'm in a dark alley.
喂，小伙子。
Hey, kid.
你喜欢花吗？
You like flowers?
是啊。
Yeah?
那这个给你。
Then take this.
一株兰花？
An an orchid?
我也不知道。
I I don't know.
什么？
What?
对你来说太难了？
Too tough for you?
养不活它？
Can't keep it alive?
搞不懂它需要的土壤酸碱度？
Don't understand the pH level of the soil composition it needs?
我的意思是，它们真的很难照料。
I mean, they're so hard to take care of.
我我
I I
你说你爱花，居然还怕 orchids。
You call yourself a flower lover and you're scared of orchids.
别拿这个来糊弄我了。
Double Get out of here with that.
不行。
No.
兰花太古怪了。
Orchids are so weird.
别说了。
Stop.
别给我。
Don't give it to me.
它会死的。
It'll die.
求你了。
Please.
我真的搞不懂兰花。
I don't understand orchids.
是的
Yeah.
太强烈了
Intense.
但兰花也是这样
But so are orchids.
它们形态和颜色千变万化，简直让人想不到
They're so diverse with endless shapes and colors.
很难理解它们为什么会这样
It's hard to wrap your head around them.
而且确实很怪
And they're weird.
有的像蜜蜂，有的像哥特风格的水母
Some look like bees, others, goth jellyfish.
很多不长在土里，还特别娇气、脆弱
Many don't grow in dirt, and they're fussy, delicate.
这些就是我以前不喜欢兰花的原因，直到我开始深入了解之后。
These were the reasons I didn't like orchids until I started learning more.
现在，这些恰恰成了我爱上它们的理由。
Now these are the same reasons I adore them.
就像我说的，这简直是一段爱情故事。
Like I said, it's a love story.
我知道兰花看起来很酷，但直到我深入研究后，才明白它们有多酷。
I knew orchids looked cool, but I didn't realize how cool until I dug into it.
商店里常见的兰花可能是紫色的，花瓣柔软如丝绒，但这只是兰花世界的冰山一角。
A typical orchid at the store might be purple with velvety soft petals, but that's just the tip of the orchid berg.
还有带猎豹斑点的黄色兰花，形状像烛火的，或者像猴子脸的。
There are yellow ones with cheetah spots, ones shaped like candle flames or a monkey's face.
吸血鬼兰花是黑色的，带着细长的浅色条纹，花瓣边缘像斗篷一样飘逸。
The vampire orchid is black with long pale stripes and damely petal parts that look like the edges of a cape.
下次你无聊的时候，去搜一搜那些奇形怪状的兰花吧。
Next time you're bored, just image search weird orchids.
简直像科幻片一样。
It's like science fiction.
舰长日志：我偶然发现了一群外星生物。
Captain's log, I've stumbled across a gathering of alien species.
它们美得惊人，古怪又带着一丝神秘。
They're beautiful, strange, haunting.
它们是来和平的吗？
Do they come in peace?
先生，这是一家兰花店。
Sir, this is an orchid shop.
难怪我一直搞不懂它们。
No wonder I couldn't wrap my head around them.
它们实在太让人震撼了。
They're just too mind boggling.
兰花在其他方面也很奇特。
Orchids are weird in other ways too.
很多兰花不需要土壤就能生长，所以它们能长在树的枝干上。
Many don't need soil to grow, so they're able to grow in the branches of trees.
它们从空气、树叶和树枝缝隙里的尘土中获取所需养分。
They get what they need from the air and leaves and dirt in the
那些树枝的缝隙里。
nooks of those branches.
兰花的种子是所有花朵里最小的，像灰尘一样细小。
Orchid seeds are the smallest of all flowers, like specks of dust.
因为太小了，它们没有足够的能量发芽，所以得靠一种特殊的真菌帮忙。
Because they're so small, they don't have the energy they need to start growing, so they get help from special funguses.
挺奇怪的，但又让人觉得挺可爱的。
It's weird, but kinda delightful.
兰花有自己的‘最佳真菌伙伴’，一辈子不离不弃。
Like, orchids have their own BFFFs, best fungus friends forever.
不过，真正让我爱上兰花的，是我想到了它们为这个世界带来了什么。
I really fell in love with orchids, though, when I thought about what they add to the world.
它们很脆弱，不太能适应变化，但科学家恰恰喜欢这一点。
They're fragile and often don't handle change well, but scientists love this about them.
兰花是一种所谓的生物指示物种。
Orchids are what's known as a bio indicator.
简单说，它们能反映整个生态系统的健康状况。
Basically, they tell us how an ecosystem is doing.
只要兰花还在生长，就说明环境不错。
If orchids are growing, things are good.
如果它们消失了，那就是警报了。
If they're gone, it's an alarm.
危险。
Danger.
危险。
Danger.
这个生态系统已经失衡了。
This ecosystem is out of whack.
这话说得没错。
And it's true.
它们比蒲公英更需要细心照料。
They take a little more care than, say, dandelions.
但谁说这不好呢？
But who's to say that's bad?
兰花让我想起我哥哥。
Orchids make me think of my brother.
他患有一种罕见的遗传病。
He has a rare genetic condition.
这种综合征的人很少见，他需要更多的关心和照顾。
You don't see people with this syndrome very often, and he needs a little more care and attention.
但我很感激他出现在我的生命里。
But I love having him in my life.
他让我的生活更加丰富。
He's made it richer.
就像兰花一样，他并不普通，但有了他，世界变得更美好了。
Like an orchid, he isn't common, but the world is better with him in it.
所以现在我完全站队兰花派。
So now I'm totally team Orchid.
这些美丽的花儿与众不同，很难理解，野外生存也很脆弱。
These fabulous flowers are different, hard to wrap your head around, fragile in the wild.
你知道吗？
And you know what?
我们能拥有它们，真是幸运。
We're lucky to have them.
桑登真是戳中人心了。
Sanden pulling on the heartstrings there
为了
for
兰花。
Orchids.
肖恩，你对桑登的那番话印象最深的是什么？
Sean, what stood out to you about Sanden's declaration?
抱歉，桑登， Orchids 让你做噩梦了？
Sorry, Sanden, but Orchids gave you nightmares?
什么？
What?
等一下。
Wait.
你的噩梦里到底是什么？
What are your nightmares about?
不是跟花有关？
They're not about flowers?
不是。
No.
跟园艺有关的噩梦其实挺常见的。
Gardening nightmares are very common.
我医生跟我说过。
I have you my doctor said so.
我
I
你说得对，兰花品种真多。
like your point that orchids have variety.
它们可以是紫色、蓝色，甚至长得像猴子。
They can be purple, blue, or shaped like a monkey.
种类多得数不清，而蒲公英就只有一种。
There's really no end, whereas dandelions are just one flower.
你说到蒲公英时那种嫌弃的语气，我也挺喜欢的。
I also like the disdain in your voice when you said dandelion.
就是那种……蒲公英。
Just like, dandelion.
你能想象吗？
Could you imagine?
是的。
Yeah.
我听到那话的时候，简直惊呆了。
I I heard that, and I was like, wow.
我可是把这事儿给说得够呛。
I really put some stink on that.
我其实挺喜欢蒲公英的。
I love dandelions.
只是没兰花那么让人着迷。
It's just not as much as orchids.
好的。
Okay.
好了，琼，该你反驳了。
Well, June, it's time for your rebuttal.
你有三十秒时间驳倒桑登的观点，现在开始计时。
You've got thirty seconds to uproot Sanden's arguments, and your time starts right now.
好的。
Okay.
桑登把兰花比作警报器，我觉得这个比喻特别贴切。每次看到兰花，我就特别焦虑，尤其是想到它要是枯萎了，就像煤矿里的金丝雀一样，预示着整个生态系统正在崩溃。
So Sanden had a metaphor of, orchids as alarm bells, and I think that's very apt because, when I look at a orchid, I get very stressed out, especially with this, like, idea that if it starts dying, it's like the the canary in the coal mine for the fact that the entire ecosystem is dying.
我就盯着这朵花，担心它是不是快蔫了，然后一想，完了，世界要完蛋了。
Like, I'm just gonna be looking at this flower and, like, wondering if it's wilting and therefore, like, the world is going to end.
这算是它的一个缺点。
That's, like, one ding against it.
而且它还像是个寄生媒介，里面长满了真菌之类的东西。
Also, it seems to be a parasite vector because there's, like, funguses and stuff growing in it.
所以。
So
平局。
tie.
哦。
Oh.
别怕真菌。
Don't be afraid of the fungus.
外面有很多对人有好处的真菌。
There's lots of beneficial funguses out there.
它们其实挺有意思的。
They're pretty fun guys.
哦。
Oh.
哦。
Oh.
哦。
Oh.
好的。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
肖恩，该给分数了。
Sean, it is time to award some points.
请把一分给让你印象最深的那场陈述，再把一分给让你信服的反驳。
Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over.
什么才算有说服力的论点，由你来定。
You get to decide what makes a winning argument.
有没有哪一队提供的事实更酷？
Did one team have cooler facts?
有没有哪一队让你对某件事有了新的看法？
Did another team make you see something in a new light?
把分数投出去吧，但别告诉我们你投给了谁。
Award your points, but don't tell us who they're going to.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
我决定了。
I have.
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很好。
Excellent.
桑登和俊，你们俩到现在感觉怎么样？
Sanden and Jun, how are two feeling so far?
我感觉特别棒。
I am feeling very sunny.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
说实话，我就盼着自己表现得特别出色。
You know, I'm just hoping that I'm or killing it.
哦。
Oh,
我这会儿正憋着一堆双关语呢。
I'm coming with the puns hot.
该休息一下了。
It's time for a quick break.
去花园里散个步，跟花儿击个掌吧。
Take a quick garden walk and high five some flowers.
马上回来，继续精彩内容。
And we'll be right back with more smashboombest.
您正在收听《辩论现场》，这里是激情辩论与精彩交锋的舞台。
You're listening to State of Debate, home to raging rhetoric and awe inspiring argumentation.
各位辩手、朋友们，大家好。
Hey there, debaters, gators.
我是泰勒·林肯，旁边这位是我最爱的根汁啤酒圣代——托德·道格拉斯。
I'm Taylor Lincoln, and with me is my favorite tall glass of root beer float, Todd Douglas.
我甜美又活泼。
I'm sweet and bubbly.
没错。
That's true.
嘿，泰勒。
Hey, Taylor.
我跟你说过昨天在健身房听到的对话吗？
Did I tell you about the conversation I overheard at the gym yesterday?
你一个人去健身房了？
You went to the gym without me?
我还以为咱俩是举铁搭档、平板死忠呢。
I thought we were barbell buddies, plank pals.
哦，没有。
Oh, no.
我只是去按摩椅上坐坐，吃块饼干。
I just went to sit in the massage chair and eat a cookie.
总之，我听到玛吉跟她的朋友瓦莱丽聊天，逮到一个特别精彩的逻辑谬误。
Anyway, I heard Marge talking to her friend Valerie and caught a delicious logical fallacy.
哎呀，真遗憾。
Ah, dang.
这种错误肯定会削弱论点的说服力。
That's a mistake guaranteed to make an argument weaker.
每次听到都让我觉得怪怪的。
They always leave a funky taste in my mouth.
来听听他们是怎么说的。
Let's hear that convo.
嘿，瓦莱丽。
Hey, Valerie.
有个大消息。
Big news.
我打算开始一套全新的锻炼计划。
I'm starting a totally new exercise routine.
我管它叫‘可可瘦身’。
I call it Coco Size.
可可瘦身？
Coco Size?
所以你手里拿着那些大巧克力棒，就是因为这个？
Is that why you're holding those giant chocolate bars?
是的。
Yeah.
我刚读到一个法国女人的事，叫让·卡尔芒，她生于1875年。
I was reading about this French woman, Jean Calment, who was born in 1875.
她说自己每天都吃巧克力，你猜怎么着，她活到了122岁。
She said that she ate chocolate every single day and get this, she lived to be 122 years old.
很明显，每天吃巧克力的老人都能活得特别久。
It's obvious that old people who eat chocolate every day live super long lives.
我还没老，但我敢拿我的黄油牛奶巧克力打赌。
I'm not old yet, but you bet your buttery milk chocolate.
我要趁早开始，瓦莱丽。
I'm gonna start early, Val.
天哪。
Oh, my.
玛格丽特小姐这可真是犯了典型的以偏概全错误。
Mademoiselle Marge sure fell into a tasty, hasty generalization fallacy.
你说得对，老兄。
You got it, buddy.
玛格丽特以为，既然有个人每周吃两磅巧克力活到了122岁，那只要吃这么多巧克力，人人都能长寿。
Marge assumed that because there was one case where someone ate two pounds of chocolate per week and lived to 122, that anyone who ate that much chocolate would live an extra long life.
她拿了一点点证据，就下结论，连其他资料都不查一下。
She took a tiny piece of evidence and made a conclusion without checking any other sources.
能活过一百岁的人其实非常罕见。
It's really rare to live past a hundred years old.
让·卡朗特的长寿，可能是基因好，也可能是运动多，或者有别的原因。
Jean Galandelions' long life could have been because of good genes or how she exercised or lots of other factors.
拜托，大家啊。
Come on, people.
你们得练练思辨的本事。
You gotta exercise your debate muscles.
这让我想起来一件事。
That reminds me.
一起去玩踢球吧？
Wanna go play kickball?
当然了，泰。
You know it, Tay.
走吧，出发！
Let's kick it.
下次再见，欢迎收听
We'll see you next time on
《辩论现状》。
State of Debate.
Smashboombest。
Smashboombest.
您正在收听 Smashboombest。
You're listening to smashboombest.
我是主持人，莫莉·布卢姆。
I'm your host, Molly Bloom.
我是评委，肖恩。
And I'm your judge, Sean.
我们特别喜欢听听众提出的辩论建议，比如这条。
And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this one.
我叫泽布，来自科罗拉多州的科罗拉多斯普林斯。
My name is Zeb, and I'm from Colorado Springs, Colorado.
我的辩论题目是帝国大厦和西尔斯大厦。
And my debate idea is the Empire State Building versus Sears Tower.
这场辩论肯定能点燃不少热情。
That debate is sure to build some excitement.
节目最后我们会听听泽布觉得谁会赢。
We'll hear who Zeb thinks should win at the end of the show.
现在我们回到今天的辩论话题：兰花vs蒲公英。
And now it's back to our debate, Orchids versus Dandelions.
是的。
Yes.
接下来进入第二轮，
And now it's time for round two, the
微论环节。
micro round.
现在进入事实对决环节。
It's time for a fact off.
桑登和琼恩每人将有三次机会，用一个有趣的事实或观点来支持自己的论点。
Sanden and June will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool fact or idea.
上一轮是琼恩先发言的。
June went first last round.
所以，桑登，你来开场吧。
So, Sanden, you start us off.
哦，好的。
Oh, okay.
我感觉在之前的讨论里没来得及好好说说兰花有多神奇，那就再举几个例子吧。
Well, I feel like I didn't really have time to dig into how wild orchids are in my DoG, so let me just drop a few more examples.
有一种芭蕾兰花，看起来就像有人穿着白色花瓣当芭蕾舞裙在转圈。
There's a ballerina orchid that looks like someone twirling with a white petal as a tutu and everything.
还有白鹭兰，简直像一只张开翅膀准备降落的鸟。
And then there's the white egret orchid, which you could swear was a bird with outstretched wings about to land.
飞鸭兰，名字一听就知道长什么样。
The flying duck orchid, which exactly what it sounds like.
还有豹纹兰、锤子兰、拖鞋兰，各种造型都有。
There's a cheetah face orchid, ones that look like hammers or slippers.
要是设个植物界最佳演员奖，那肯定非兰花莫属，它们什么角色都能演。
If there was an award for the plant best actor, well, it would definitely go to Orchids because they can play about anything.
明白了。
Okay.
你可能不知道，蒲公英的种子能随风飘很远，有记录显示它们能飞超过60英里，是目前已知飞得最远的植物种子。
Well, I bet you didn't know that dandelions can fly far distances just by floating on the wind and have been known to travel over 60 miles, which is the farthest that any plant seed has been shown to fly.
真让人惊叹，爱丁堡大学的科学家研究了其中的物理原理，发现这些种子在飘浮时会形成一圈环状的空气泡。
It's so impressive that scientists at the University of Edinburgh looked into, like, the physics of it and discovered that the seeds form this, like, ring shaped air bubble as they float.
他们把这个现象命名为‘分离的涡环’，不仅是个重大发现，听起来也特别酷。
And they have named this phenomenon the separated vortex ring, which in addition to being groundbreaking, just sounds super cool.
哦，确实。
Oh, yeah.
会飞的种子，挺厉害的。
Flying seeds, pretty cool.
但你知道什么让我特别兴奋吗？
But you know what makes me fly?
去超市，是因为兰花——它们能产出香草，而香草可是世界上最好吃的风味之一。
To the store, it's Orchids because they help make vanilla, which, you know, is one of the best flavors in the world.
我记得上回讨论，六月的时候，你说过要在香草冰淇淋里加点酱油，可如果没有兰花，你就根本尝不到这香草冰淇淋，因为香草就来自兰花。
I remember last debate, June, you were talking about adding a little bit of soy sauce to vanilla ice cream, and you wouldn't have had that vanilla ice cream without orchids because vanilla comes from an orchid.
哇哦。
Woah.
这算不算一个巧妙的呼应？
How's that for a callback?
是的。
Uh-huh.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
我明白你的意思，但食物确实都很棒。
I hear you, but food is all great.
但你说什么才是推动世界运转的关键？
But, like, what makes the world go round?
材料。
Materials.
你知道吗？蒲公英的茎折断后会流出一种乳白色的滑腻液体，其实就是白色乳胶。
And did you know that dandelion stems, when broken down, have this, like, milky white slippery liquid that is actually white latex sap.
而橡胶就是用这种东西做的。
So and that is what rubber is made out of.
虽然大多数蒲公英产生的胶质不够用来制造橡胶，但有一种生长在乌兹别克斯坦和哈萨克斯坦的蒲公英品种，确实能产出足够多的乳胶。
So most dandelions don't produce enough to actually make rubber, but there is a dandelion species that grows in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan that actually does make enough latex rubber.
事实上，现在市面上已经能买到用蒲公英橡胶做的自行车轮胎了。
In fact, there's a bike tire you can buy right now made of dandelion rubber.
它叫Teraxa Gum。
It's called the teraxa gum.
Teraxa是蒲公英的科学分类名称，Gum就是橡胶的意思。
Teraxa, the scientific family for dandelions, and gum meaning rubber.
哦，原来如此。
Oh, well, yeah.
咱们还是赶紧让橡胶真正派上用场吧，毕竟你知道，蒲公英可是很有名的。
Let's let's make the rubber hit the road here because, you know, I I know dandelions are famous.
这过渡得真自然。
That's a transition there.
特别流畅。
Very smooth.
蒲公英以随处生长出名，但兰花更胜一筹——真不是开玩笑，有一种极其稀有的兰花，完全长在地底下，深埋在土里，根本看不见，简直让人难以置信。
Dandelions are famous for growing anywhere, but Orchids got them topped on this because there is a special super rare variety of orchid that grows, I kid you not, totally underground, like under the dirt where you can't even see it, which is just mind blowing.
科学家推测，它是靠白蚁授粉的，最早被发现是因为有人在挖土。
Scientists think it's pollinated by termites, and it was first found when someone was just digging in the ground.
有个农民挖地时，突然在土里发现了一朵花，这事儿太离谱了。
A farmer was digging and then just found a flower under the dirt, which is just wild.
如果你真碰上一朵，它会有洁白的花瓣，周围一圈红色的部分，看起来有点像章鱼的吸盘。
If you do find one, they have these stunning white petals surrounded by little red parts that look kind of like squid suckers.
这说明兰花在自然界里干着各种疯狂又前所未有的事，而我们往往只是偶然才得知。
It just goes to show you that, like, orchids are doing wild, unheard of experimental things out there in the world, and only sometimes are we clued into it.
它们简直就是植物界里最古怪的家伙。
They are just the little the little weirdos of the plant world.
不是。
No.
它们自己躲在桌子底下，悄悄做着酷炫的事。
They're Sitting by themselves under the table just doing cool stuff.
这太棒了。
That's great.
这太棒了。
That's great.
而且它们长在地下，根本就是等着人自己来找它们。
But, like, it's also, like, underground, so they're just, like, waiting for people to come to them.
根本不在乎什么主动展示、吸引大众之类的。
There isn't any consideration for, like, you know, actually putting yourself out there and, like, just, like, like, mass appeal.
而蒲公英呢，早就启发了无数艺术创作。
Whereas dandelions, they've been inspiring art for a very long time.
随便举几个例子。
Just a few examples.
有一首著名的冰岛民谣，叫《蒲公英的金与绿》。
There's a famous Icelandic folk song called or Dandelions Gold and Green.
传奇画家克劳德·莫奈和文森特·梵高都描绘过它们的美，还有日本诗人福田千音，在十八世纪写过一首关于蒲公英的俳句。
Legendary painters Claude Monet and Vincent Van Gogh have captured their beauty, and a Japanese poet named Fukuda Chioni wrote this haiku about dandelions in the seventeen hundreds.
蒲公英偶尔打断了蝴蝶的梦。
A dandelion, now and then interrupting the butterfly's dream.
真美。
Beautiful.
打断？
Interrupting?
太不礼貌了。
Rude.
让蝴蝶好好睡吧。
Let the butterfly sleep.
得了吧。
Come on.
一整天都在飞来飞去。
Been flying around all day.
这人累坏了。
Guy's tired.
小家伙也累了。
The little guy's tired.
明白了。
Okay.
肖恩，这一轮里有哪些事实让你印象最深？
Sean, what facts stood out to you from this micro round?
我从双方那里都学到了不少东西。
I learned a lot from both sides.
我根本不知道有一种兰花能长在地下。
Did not know that there's this one orchid that can grow underground.
我觉得这太酷了。
I think that's super cool.
我还挺喜欢俊那边提到的分离涡环这个点。
And I also like the fact on Jun's side about separated vortex ring.
听起来像部电影。
That sounds like a movie.
分离涡环二号。
Separated vortex ring two.
即将上映。
Coming soon.
附近影院正在上映。
The theaters near you.
这里确实有不少有趣的事实，肖恩。
Well, there are a lot of cool facts here, Sean.
但现在该给分了，只有一方能拿到这一分。
But it's time to award a point, and only one side can get it.
别提前告诉我们会颁给哪一方。
Don't tell us who it's going to.
评判标准完全是主观的，全看你自己怎么想——你做出决定了吗？
Criteria are totally subjective and totally up to Have you made your decision?
决定了。
Yes.
太好了。
Perfect.
先保密，马上回来。
Keep it secret, and we'll be right back.
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Plus, you'll get to do virtual hangs with me and the crew and get discounts on merch.
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Sign up at brainson.org.
谢谢。
Thanks.
砰。
Boom.
砰。
Boom.
轰。
Smash.
砰。
Boom.
休息。
Rest.
我们回来了，马上进入正题，因为到了
We're back, and we're jumping right in because it's time for
动起来。
Move.
偷袭。
Sneak attack.
这是我们即兴的一轮辩论，辩手们需要当场回应一个挑战。
This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot.
今天的挑战是贺卡。
Today's challenge is greeting card.
我会请你们为三种不同场合，各写一条可爱又带双关语的贺卡祝福语，我们来回轮流。
I'm going to ask you to write a cute punny message that could go on the front of a greeting card for three different occasions, and we'll go back and forth.
这样清楚吗？
Does that make sense?
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
第一个场合是宝宝的第一岁生日。
First up, the occasion is baby's first birthday.
朱诺，来听听你以蒲公英为灵感写的贺卡寄语。
June, let's hear your greeting card message inspired by dandelions.
愿宝宝的第一声啼哭，像蒲公英一样气势如虹。
May your baby's first cry be a roar like a dandelions.
我
I
太棒了。
love it.
我现在都能想象出来了。
I can see it now.
好的，桑登。
Okay, Sanden.
来听听你为宝宝一岁生日写的贺卡寄语吧。
Let's hear your greeting card message for baby's first birthday.
好的。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
你这盆兰花真可爱。
What a cute orchid you got there.
生日快乐。
Happy birthday.
挺不错的。
Pretty good.
太好了。
Yay.
我还看见一朵兰花被包在尿布里。
And I could see a little orchid in a diaper.
好的。
Okay.
哎呀。
Uh-oh.
他给自己授了粉。
He pollinated himself.
行了。
Alright.
接下来是高中毕业这个场合。
Next up, the next occasion is high school graduation.
六月，你来说说。
June, let's hear yours.
蒲公英是希望你像蒲公英一样，飘到每一个你最终落脚的美丽地方。
Dandelion is may you blow to every beautiful place that you end up in like a dandelion.
天哪。
Oh, man.
我太喜欢了。
I love it.
在这种情况下，蒲公英戴着
And in this case, the dandelions wearing
嗯，没错。
a little Mhmm.
毕业帽。
Graduation hat.
好的。
Okay.
桑登，该你了。
Sanden, your turn.
是的。
Yeah.
高中时是成长的沃土，但现在该是你的兰花绽放的时候了。
High school was fertile ground, but now it's time for your little orchid to bloom.
哦，真可爱。
Oh, cute.
可爱。
Cute.
可爱。
Cute.
好的。
Okay.
现在，我们最后一种情况是当你想说对不起的时候。
Now our final occasion is when you wanna say sorry.
六月？
June?
我希望你能原谅我，所以我把这张卡片送给你。
I wish that you would forgive me, so I'm blowing this card your way.
我喜欢这个。
I like it.
好的。
Alright.
桑登。
Sanden.
哎呀。
Oops.
我把你的兰花弄死了。
I killed your orchid.
但你知道吗？
But you know what?
你随时可以再买一盆，重新来过。
You can always buy another one and try again.
这道歉真到位。
Great apology.
这张贺卡的祝福语还挺特别的，不过
Very specific greeting card, but
有人说了，下次换种花吧。
someone And someone decided says, get a different flower next time.
天哪。
Oh, man.
我太喜欢了。
I love it.
我觉得这反而说明兰花不太适合当礼物。
I feel like that argues against Orchids.
不是这样的。
No.
你知道吗，琼，不是每种花都非得养在家里不可。
You know you know, June, not not every flower needs to be kept in the home.
有些花，我们就在大自然里欣赏就好。
Some we can appreciate in the wild.
也没人会在家里种蒲公英啊。
No one grows dandelions in their house either.
你懂吧？
Know?
有些东西就该留在野外。
Some things are just meant to be in the wild.
说得有道理。
Good points.
方方面面都说得通。
Good points all around.
好吧。
Okay.
我能想象这些贺卡摆在货架上的样子。
I can see these greeting cards on the shelf.
它们很漂亮。
They're beautiful.
接下来轮到你了，肖恩，该你加分了。
And, Sean, it is your turn now because you're gonna award a point.
哪一方更抓准了那种感觉？
Which side captured the right vibe?
谁让你笑出来了？
Who made you laugh?
你可以根据幽默感、画面感，或者任何你认为重要的方面来判断。
You can judge based on humor, descriptive power, whatever.
选一个胜者就行，但别告诉我们你选了谁。
Just pick a winner, but don't tell us who it is.
你决定好了吗？
Did you make up your mind?
我选好了。
I did.
太好了。
Wonderful.
那么，现在进入最后一轮。
Then it's time for our final round.
最后六强。
The final six.
这一轮，每支队伍只能用六个词来概括自己一方的辉煌。
In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side.
桑登，你先来。
Sanden, you're up first.
说说为什么兰花才是最值得称道的植物。
Tell us why orchids are the plant to beat.
长在地下？
Grows underground?
你是在逗我吗？
Are you or kidding me?
好的，琼。
Alright, June.
这是你们为蒲公英最后一次奋力一搏的机会了。
It's your last chance to dig deep for Dandelions.
朴实、毛茸茸的，属于老百姓的花。
Humble, fuzzy, flower of the people.
说得真好。
Very nice.
好的，肖恩。
Okay, Sean.
这确实很难抉择，但现在到了为最终六强颁出最后一分的时候了。
This is a tough one, but it's time to award a final point for the final six.
你们做出决定了吗？
Have you made your decision?
决定了。
Yes.
好。
Okay.
算算分数吧，你准备好宣布哪一方是终极冠军了吗？
Tally up those points, are you ready to crown one side the smashboombest?
准备好了。
Ready.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
是我感觉不对劲吗？这里是不是有点闷热？
Is it just me or is it like is it a little sweaty in here?
这真不容易。
It's hard.
温室太闷了。
Bulky greenhouse.
我的天。
Oh my goodness.
好的。
Okay.
来点鼓声，准备一下。
Drumroll, please.
获胜的是
And the winner is
兰花。
Orchids.
啊。
Oh.
啊。
Oh.
啊。
Oh.
那个有点怪的人赢了。
A little weird guy gets the win.
干得漂亮。
Well done.
干得漂亮。
Well done.
好的。
Okay.
肖恩，有没有哪个时刻让 Orchids 最终胜出？
Sean, was there a moment that decided things for Orchids?
其实也没有，不过桑登，你们的辩论非常扎实。
Well, not really, but, like, solid debate, Sanden.
非常扎实。
Very solid.
和大多数情况一样，最后还是看那六个人的表现。
Like most of them, it comes down to the final six.
哦，确实。
Oh, yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
Sanden，我很欣赏你的论点。
Sanden, I liked your arguments.
满是双关语。
Full of puns.
特别多有趣的地方。
A lot of funny things.
你也是，Jun。
You too, Jun.
说实话，这期挺有意思的，但我真觉得……天啊。
I mean, this is a fun one, but I really felt like, oh, man.
我得说，给这些小家伙们做 Orchids 的评委，压力可不小。
I gotta bring Orchids had had a lot of weight on my shoulders here for those little guys.
所以我很高兴你们最终选了 Orchids 队。
So I'm glad I'm glad you decided to go with Team Orchid.
不过 Jun，我超爱蒲公英队，你的表现太棒了。
But, Jun, I love a Dandelion, and your DOG was so good.
里面好多观点我都特别认同，真的被吸引住了。
There are so many points in there that I was just really, like, into.
我当时就想，对，这话说到我心坎里了。
I was like, oh, I agree with that.
我也觉得这话太对了。
I agree with that.
结果你突然来了一首俳句，天哪。
And then when you busted out a haiku, oh, man.
我以为这次要完蛋了。
I thought I was in for it.
我还以为最后会像我那片烤 Orchids 一样惨。
I thought it was gonna end up like my Orchids toast.
输给 Smashboombest 的最终Boss，我感到很荣幸。
It's an honor to lose to the the final boss of smashboombest.
所以
So
好了，今天的辩论赛就到这里。
Well, that is it for today's debate battle.
肖恩把 Orchids 评为 smashboombest，那你怎么看？
Shawn crowned Orchids the smashboombest, but what about you?
去 smashboomb.org 投票，告诉我们你认为谁赢了。
Head to smashboomb.org and vote to tell us who you think won.
本期节目由我、莫莉·布卢姆和马克·桑切斯制作。
This episode was produced by me, Molly Bloom, and Mark Sanchez.
音效设计由蕾切尔·布里兹负责，主题曲由马克·桑切斯创作。
It was sound designed by Rachel Breeze, and Mark Sanchez wrote our theme song.
我们得到了工程方面的协助。
We had engineering help from.
我们的播音员是马利·福尔沃克·奥托，特别感谢奥斯汀·克罗斯和泰勒·考夫曼。
Our announcer is Marley Foilworker Auto, and we wanna give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman.
考夫曼。
Kaufman.
桑登，今天有什么人是你想特别提到的吗？
Sanden, is there anyone you'd like to give a shout out to today?
我想感谢我五岁的儿子费利克斯，他一直陪着我研究花卉，我们总在聊花、想花。
I'd like to give a shout out to my five year old son, Felix, who was a big flower head with me, and we're always talking and thinking about flowers.
他还帮我准备这场辩论，借了几本讲兰花的图书馆书籍，我们一起读了这些内容。
And he helped me prepare for this debate by getting some library books that had orchids in them, and we read about them together.
真好。
Nice.
而且
And
俊，你呢？
how about you, Jun?
有什么想特别感谢的人吗？
Any special shout outs?
我想感谢我的室友里基，他特别喜欢植物，这周末我还要和他一起去露营。
I wanna shout out my roommate Ricky, who really loves plants and who I'm going camping with this weekend.
不错。
Nice.
希望你能看到一些蒲公英。
I hope you see some dandelions.
那你呢，肖恩？
And how about you, Sean?
有什么特别想感谢或点名的人吗？
Any special thanks or shout outs?
我想感谢一下我爸妈，他们就在那边。
I would like to shout out my mom and my dad who are over there.
我能看见他。
I can see him.
我想你们剪掉这一段了。
I guess you cut this part.
还有学校里那些一直支持我、做我好朋友的人，特别忠诚。
But, like, also the kids at school who have been very supportive and good friends, very loyal friends.
还有我认识的各位，以及你们所有人，让这次经历如此美好。
Also, people I know, and you guys for making this a great experience.
谢谢你，肖恩。
Thanks, Sean.
很高兴你今天能来。
We're so happy you came here today.
在结束之前，我们来听听泽布觉得在帝国大厦和西尔斯大厦的对决中，谁该赢。
Before we go, let's check-in and see who Zeb thinks should win the Empire State Building versus Sears Tower debate.
我觉得帝国大厦应该赢，因为它更有代表性，出现在更多电影里。
I think the Empire State Building should win because it's more iconic and it's in more movies.
太棒了，泽布。
Awesome, Zeb.
如果你年龄在13到18岁之间，想当评委，或者无论什么年龄，有想法想参与一场激烈辩论，欢迎访问 smashboomb.org/contact 给我们留言。
If you're between the ages of 13 and 18 and you'd like to be a judge or if you're any age and you have an idea for knockdown drag out debate, head to smashboomb.org/contact and drop us a line.
如果你喜欢这个节目，想继续支持我们，请到 smartypass.org 订阅。
And if you're a fan of the show and wanna keep it going, head to smartypass.org to subscribe.
我们下周回来，带来新的一期《SmashBoomb》节目，主题是小黄人对海绵宝宝。
We'll be back next week with a new smashboomb pest episode, minions versus spongebob.
再见。
Bye.
回头见。
See you
真正的绽放。
real bloom.
再见了。
Goodbye.
那先走了。
Bye now.
我确实参与了节目的搭建，所以特意按我的专长来设计的，你知道的。
Well, I did help build the show, so I tailored it to my skill set, you know.
我就是SmashBoomb最佳先生。
I am mister smashboombest.
但我是说，如果它讲的是
But I mean, if it was, like, about
要谦虚一点，
being humble,
我也不确定。
I don't know.
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