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层压板。
Laminata.
大脑与宇宙。
Brains on universe.
批判性思考比以往任何时候都更重要。
Thinking critically is more important than ever.
所以我们才推出了SmashBoom这款最佳产品。
That's why we make smashboom best.
我们希望每个孩子都能学会辨别有力的论点，也能识别逻辑谬误，但如果没有你的支持，这一切都无从谈起。
We want every kid to know how to spot a good argument and how to call out a logical fallacy, but none of it is possible without your support.
说实话，要是听众不伸出援手，我们可能真的会消失。
Seriously, we could disappear if our listeners don't step up.
但这一点其实很简单。
But that part is easy.
只要加入Smarty Pass就行。
Just join Smarty Pass.
你可以免费收听无广告的节目，参与我们团队的线上互动，享受周边商品折扣，还有更多福利。
You'll get access to ad free versions of our shows, special online hangs with our crew, discounts on merch, and more.
更重要的是，你知道自己的支持在帮助我们支付辩手、音效设计师、撰稿人等的报酬，这感觉真的很棒。
Plus, you'll feel great knowing you're helping us pay our debaters, sound designers, writers, and more.
立即前往 smartypass.org 加入吧。
Join now at smartypass.org.
谢谢。
Thank you.
现在，节目正式开始。
Now it's showtime.
由《Brains on Universe》的原班人马打造，欢迎收听《SmashBoom Best》，
From the brains behind brains on, it's smashboom best,
一档为有强烈观点的人准备的节目。
the show for people with big opinions.
大家好。
Hi.
我是莫莉·布卢姆，欢迎收听《SmashBoom Best》，这档节目我们会把两样东西拼在一起，然后请你们来决定哪个更胜一筹。
I'm Molly Bloom, and this is smashboom best, the show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best.
今天我们要讨论的是两种联络方式。
Today, we've got two ways of reaching out.
一种是响铃，另一种是叮咚。
One starts with a ring, the other a ding.
也就是打电话 versus 发短信。
It's calling versus texting.
不管你更喜欢打字还是说话，相信你对这个话题都有不少想法。
Whether you like to type or talk, we're sure you'll have a lot to say about this one.
为电话沟通的传统辩护的，是《Heavyweight》播客的主持人乔纳森·戈德斯坦。
Defending the tradition of talking on the phone, it's the host of the Heavyweight Podcast, Jonathan Goldstein.
你好啊。
Howdy do.
而为短信艺术站台的，是《Heavyweight》播客的制片人凯莉拉·霍尔特。
And here to hit send for the art of the text, it's Kalila Holt, producer of the Heavyweight Podcast.
你好。
Hello.
还是该说个挥手的表情符号？
Or should I say hand wave emoji?
来评判这两种沟通方式的，正是来自俄勒冈城的艾拉。
And here to judge this clash of the communication styles is none other than Ella from Oregon City.
艾拉是游泳队的成员，会吹长笛和萨克斯管，喜欢创作艺术，两只手臂上戴满了手链。
Ella is on the swim team, plays flute and saxophone, loves to make art, and has lots of bracelets on both of her arms.
欢迎你，艾拉。
Welcome, Ella.
嗨。
Hi.
好的，艾拉。
Okay, Ella.
因为这是个播客节目，我们看不到你那些漂亮的手链。
Since this is a podcast, we cannot see your amazing bracelets.
你能给我们说说你手上戴了多少条手链吗？
So can you give us a sense of the scope of your bracelets?
我现在大概戴了二十五条左右。
I have probably, like, 25 on right now.
天哪。
Wow.
这些手链都是你自己做的吗？
Have you made all of them?
大概有一半是我自己做的。
I've probably made half of them.
太厉害了。
Incredible.
你做的都是些什么类型的手链？
What are we talking about?
是用绳子、珠子，还是两者都有？
Like like string, beads, all of the above?
都有。
All of the above.
哇。
Wow.
你最喜欢哪一条？
Do you have a favorite one?
我最近做了一条用易拉罐拉环做的，特别酷，还很有弹性。
I recently made one with soda tabs, and it's really cool and it's stretchy.
这真了不起。
That's very impressive.
就只是易拉罐拉环？
Just soda tabs?
是的。
Yes.
还有线。
Well, and string.
你戴过的最老的那只手链是哪一只？
What is the oldest bracelet that you have on?
我有一条是六年级时得到的，上面写着‘善意大使’。
I have one that I got in sixth grade, and it says kindness ambassador ambassador on it.
我已经戴了三年了。
And I have worn it for three years.
真厉害。
It's amazing.
你现在胳膊上戴的这些，是每天都戴着的吗？
So the ones on your arms right now, are they like an everyday you wear?
每天都会换不同的吗？
Each one every day, do you change it up?
有时候会换，但大部分时间我都一直戴着不摘。
Sometimes I change it up, but most of them, I keep it on, like, all the time.
太酷了。
Very cool.
好的。
Okay.
那你除了手链，还做其他类型的艺术创作吗？
So you also make other kinds of art besides bracelets.
你平时用什么其他媒介来创作艺术呢？
What other kind of media do you use to make art?
我特别喜欢画画、涂色这类的，同时也喜欢音乐。
I love, like, drawing and painting and stuff, but I also like music.
哦，对对对。
Oh, yes.
你吹萨克斯和长笛。
You play saxophone and flute.
我想知道，你吹长笛和吹萨克斯的时候，感觉上有什么不一样吗？还是差不多？
So I'm wondering, when you're playing flute versus when you're playing saxophone, is there, like, a vibe shift that you feel, or is it kind of the same?
感觉完全不一样，因为萨克斯我主要吹爵士，长笛的话更多是流行曲目或者管乐作品。
It's definitely different vibes because I play more, like, jazz music on the saxophone, And then I do more like popular songs or like concert music on the flute.
所以当你吹萨克斯的时候，如果用你吹萨克斯的那种语气说声‘你好’，会是什么样子？
So when you're playing the saxophone, if you said hello in your like saxophone playing voice, like, would that sound like?
哎呀，我也不太确定。
Oh, I don't know.
大概就是……你好吧。
It'd probably be like, hello.
真不错。
Nice.
那你的长笛演奏风格呢？
And how about your flute playing voice?
用长笛的语气说‘你好’，会是什么样？
What would that hello sound like?
你好。
Hello.
太棒了。
Excellent.
太棒了。
Excellent.
那埃拉会支持发短信还是打电话呢？
Well, will Ella side with texting or phone calls?
我们来看看。
Let's see.
首先，比赛规则。
First, the rules of the game.
每场辩论有四个环节：优势陈述、微距回合、出其不意和最终六秒。
Every debate consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack, and the final six.
每轮结束后，我们的评委埃拉会给表现最出色的一方打分，但她的评判会严格保密，直到辩论结束才公布。
After each round, our judge, Ella, will award points to the team that impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top secret until the end of the debate.
听众朋友们，也欢迎你们来评判。
Listeners, we want you to judge too.
听的时候，记下你们给的分数。
Mark down your points as you listen.
节目结束之后，请访问我们的网站 smashboom.org，为你觉得获胜的队伍投票。
At the end of the show, head to our website smashboom.org, and vote for whichever team you think won.
好的。
Okay.
卡莉拉、艾拉和乔纳森，你们准备好了吗？
Kalila, Ella, and Jonathan, are you ready?
我早就准备好了。
Oh, I'm ready.
但愿如此。
I hope so.
我也准备好了。
I'm ready too.
那么，现在进入第一轮：
Then it's time for the
精彩宣言。
Declaration of Greatness.
在这一轮中，辩手们将提出一个精心设计、引人入胜的论点，支持自己的立场，之后每人有三十秒时间反驳对方的观点。
In this round, our debaters will present a well crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side, then they'll each have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements.
我们抛了枚硬币。
We flipped a coin.
乔纳森，你先来。
And, Jonathan, you're up first.
跟我们说说，为什么我们应该接电话呢？
Tell us why we should answer the call of talking on the phone.
被爱的声音是什么？
What's the sound of being loved?
是心跳吗？
A heartbeat?
不是。
No.
那只是身体的生理反应。
That's just body plumbing.
是有人对你说‘我爱你’吗？
Is it someone saying I love you?
我觉得行动胜于言语，所以对我来说，被爱的声音就是一通电话。
I'd argue actions speak louder than words, which is why to me, the sound of being loved is a phone call.
它在说：嘿。
It says, hey.
我喜欢听你的声音。
I like hearing your voice.
我喜欢你的笑声，还有你说话时那些小小的停顿。
I like the way you laugh, your awkward pauses.
它在表达：我愿意用我宝贵的几分钟，和你实时相处，哪怕我不能亲自在你身边。
It says I wanna spend my precious minutes in real time with you even if I can't be there in real life.
一条短信只意味着：哎呀。
A text just says, shoot.
我刚想起你昨天问了我一个问题，现在我一边上厕所，一边回你。
I just remembered you asked me a question yesterday, and I'm going to write you back while I finish up on the toilet.
打电话效率高。
Phone calls are efficient.
当然了。
Oh, sure.
发短信的人会说短信快，可我要问，你急着赶什么？
Texters will say a text is quick, to which I say, what are you rushing for?
还急着刷更多内容吗？
More scrolling to get to?
但其实，短信也可能很慢。
But also, texts can be slow.
你有没有发过一个问题，然后干等着对方回复？
How many times have you sent a question then had to wait for a reply?
比如说，你正计划去野餐。
Like, say, you're planning a picnic.
嗨，查德。
Hey, Chad.
咱们在哪儿碰头？
Where should we meet?
别闹了。
Come on.
回个消息吧。
Write back.
你可能得等上几分钟，甚至好几个小时。
You could be waiting minutes or hours.
你根本猜不到。
You have no idea.
终于，已经过了三个小时。
Finally, it's been three hours.
行吧。
Okay.
查德说在明尼哈哈瀑布见面。
Chad says meet at Minnehaha Falls.
好的。
Sure.
但具体几点呢？
But what time?
别闹了。
Come on.
你直接告诉我吧。
Just answer me.
其实，打个电话的话，这一切十五秒就能解决了。
Meanwhile, the whole thing could have been settled in fifteen seconds with a call.
喂？
Hello?
嗨，查德。
Hey, Chad.
我们去哪儿野餐？
Where should we picnic?
明尼哈哈瀑布怎么样？
How about Minnehaha Falls?
什么时候？
When?
六点。
Six.
带点奶酪和饼干？
Bring cheese and crackers?
不用了。
Nah.
水果和披萨就行。
Fruit and pizza.
好。
K.
待会儿见。
See you.
回头见。
Later.
这效率真高。
That's efficient.
打电话不容易搞错。
Phone calls avoid confusion.
你能听出对方的语气，是开玩笑、生气、不耐烦，还是带点讽刺。
You can hear someone's tone, whether it's playful, angry, grumpy, or snarky.
发短信太容易被误解了。
Texts are so easy to get wrong.
查德是在挖苦人，还是故意惹人烦？
Is Chad being sarcastic or a jerk?
哦，他发了个表情包来澄清。
Oh, he sent an emoji to clarify.
那个戴墨镜的酷哥？
Cool guy with shades?
这到底是什么意思？
What does that even mean?
再说，哪个表情符号能代替人类的笑声，或者那种你明明知道对方在电话那头微笑着的沉默？
Plus, what emoticon can replace the sound of human laughter or that special silence that you know is a smile on the other end of the line?
通过电话，你能真正感受到对方的情绪。
You can feel real feelings through a call.
我见过有人就站在我旁边，却给另一个人发RFOL。
I've seen someone stand right next to me and text someone RFOL.
我跟你说，他根本不是在笑得打滚。
And let me tell you, they were not rolling on the floor laughing.
我不会说发短信就是撒谎，但它确实让人更容易说谎。
I'm not going to say texting is dishonest, but it does make it easy to lie.
有个关于第一次电话通话的著名故事。
There's a famous story about the first phone call.
1876年，亚历山大·格拉汉姆·贝尔正在发明电话。
In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell was inventing the phone.
到目前为止，他只成功传送了一些断断续续的语音。
So far, he'd only managed to send snippets of speech.
但后来，他在实验室里不小心把酸洒到了手上。
But then, he spilled some acid on his hand in the lab.
沃森先生，
Mr.
过来一下。
Watson, come here.
我需要你。
I want you.
他用电话拨通了助手的号码，这才意识到这东西能用。
He used the phone, realizing it to call his assistant.
而且真的成功了。
He And it worked.
贝尔先生，我清楚地听到了您说的每一个字。
Mister Bell, I heard every word you said distinctly.
第一个短信的故事有人提过吗？
Is there used even the a story of the first text message?
这不过是设个悬念罢了。
That's rhetorical.
我不在乎，因为肯定没电话这么动人。
I don't care because it's definitely not as good.
电话让人难忘，比如亲戚告诉你家里添了新宝宝，或者朋友在你失恋时安慰你。
Phone calls are memorable, like a cousin telling you about a new baby joining the family or a friend comforting you after a breakup.
这也不奇怪，人类彼此交谈、倾听声音已经有十几万年了，远比书写的历史长得多。
And no wonder, humans have been talking and listening to each other's voices for over a hundred thousand years, way longer than writing.
我们天生就是为了说话和倾听。
We evolved to talk and listen.
我认为，这是身为人类最美好的体验之一。
I'd argue it's one of the greatest pleasures of being a human.
所以，电话来了。
So the call is coming.
别只在上厕所时才想起打电话，好好享受一次真正的对话吧。
The call to enjoy a conversation, not just get to it next time you're on the toilet.
去感受人与人之间真实的声音吧。
The call to revel in human voices.
别光用嘴说‘我爱你’，要用行动来表达。
The call to say, I love you, not with words, but with actions.
打个电话吧。
The call to make a call.
你准备接吗？
Are you gonna answer it?
说得真好。
Well said.
嗨，你好啊。
Well, howdy do.
刚才那番话真是温暖又鼓舞人心。
That was a heartwarming declaration of greatness there.
埃拉，乔纳森的论点里，你觉得最打动你的是什么？
Ella, what stood out to you about Jonathan's arguments?
行动胜于言辞。
That actions do speak louder than words.
说得真好。
Very nice.
好的。
Okay.
卡莉拉，你有三十秒时间直接把乔纳森转到语音信箱，现在开始计时。
Kalila, you have thirty seconds to send Jonathan straight to voicemail, and your thirty seconds starts right now.
明白。
Okay.
说实话，我怕三十秒根本不够。
Man, I don't know if thirty seconds is gonna be enough.
首先，我觉得被人爱，就是让对方感受到你懂他真正想要的是什么。
First of all, I think that being loved is about, you know, showing the other person that you understand what they want.
而且有时候，根本没必要打电话。
And sometimes that's not always a phone call.
所以很多人不太喜欢被人打电话。
So a lot of people don't like being called.
说到时间，我觉得打电话并不一定更快。
The time thing, I just think that it's not true that calls are faster.
我好多次都遇到过这种情况：我打过去，留了言，对方没接。
So many times, I've been in a situation where I'm calling, leaving a message, they don't answer.
然后他们再打回来。
They call me back.
可我当时正忙着呢。
I'm in the middle of something.
根本没法接。
I can't answer it.
结果他们又留了言。
They leave a message.
你知道我们总是怎么做吗？
And you know what we always do?
我们总是改发短信。
We always switch to texting.
还有时间问题。
And time.
我觉得这意外地伤人。
I found that surprisingly hurtful.
我以为
I thought
这本来只是聊聊这些话题，但怎么感觉像是在针对个人呢。
this was just gonna, you know, be about the the topics, but that feels somehow ad hominem.
我不太明白为什么。
I don't know why.
对不起。
I'm sorry.
我伤了你的感情。
I hurt your feelings.
不客气。
You're welcome.
你是怎么说的？
How did you say it?
用你的嘴说的。
With your mouth.
对吧？
Right?
哦，
Oh,
天哪。
my goodness.
好吧。
Alright.
接下来还有很多精彩内容等着我们。
We have a lot more to hear coming up.
我们马上会听到卡莉拉和她的团队发来的短信，不过在那之前，
We're gonna hear from Kalila and team texting, but first,
先休息一下。
a quick break.
最棒了。
Best.
太精彩了。
Smash.
太精彩了。
Smash.
最棒了。
Best.
好的。
Okay.
我们以前特别期待接电话。
We were all ears for phone calls.
Kalila，你来聊聊短信吧。
Kalila, take it away for texting.
想象一下，你在一个普通的周二给儿时的朋友打电话。
Imagine you call your childhood friend on a random Tuesday.
喂？
Hello?
嘿，老友。
Hey, pal.
我此刻正忙得不可开交，手里还端着一盘三明治的配料。
I'm in the middle of, like, 10 things right now, and I'm holding a jumbo tray of sandwich fixins.
一切都还好吗？
Is everything okay?
你还记得我们堆沙堡的那次吗？
Remember that time when we built a sand castle?
什么？
What?
不是。
No.
豆芽滑下来了。
The sprouts are slipping.
你没事吧？
Are you okay?
你还记得我们去克莱尔店里打耳洞的事吗？
Remember when we went to Claire's and we got our ears pierced?
我的耳洞早就长死了。
My ears closed up years ago.
你找我有事？
Did you need something?
你还记得我们以前怎么笑的吗？
Remember how we used to laugh?
对不起。
I'm sorry.
你打这个电话是想说什么？
What is the purpose of this call?
我 just 在想你。
I was just thinking about you.
我得走了。
I have to go.
我不知道她以后还愿不愿意理我，但这是我愿意承担的风险。
Well, I don't know if she'll ever talk to me again, but that's the risk I took.
突然打电话给人家，打扰了她一整天的节奏。
Calling someone out of the blue, violating the piece of her day.
咱们再试一次，发条短信吧。
Let's try again with a text.
嘿，老兄。
Hey, pal.
想着你呢。
Thinking of you.
她回消息了。
She wrote back.
真好。
Aw.
她说：我也想你。
It says, miss you too.
现在我们都笑了，一天也没被毁掉。
Now we're both smiling, and no days were ruined.
我是个记者。
I'm a reporter.
打电话是我工作的一部分。
Making phone calls is part of my job.
那种对方毫无准备的陌生来电，真不让人舒服。
Cold calls, as in a call where the person isn't expecting you, are not fun.
对方接电话时本来就不爽，你得赶紧自报家门、说明来意，赶在他们挂断之前说完。
Said person answers the phone already feeling annoyed, and you have to explain who you are and why you're calling as quickly as possible before they hang up.
有几次，我还在电话里被人冲着吼。
A few times, I've even been yelled at on the phone.
这是我最不喜欢的工作部分，通常我都想哭。
It's my least favorite part of the job, and I usually cry.
但电话真是个了不起的发明。
But the telephone is an incredible invention.
没错。
Sure.
马车也是，可现在我们都开汽车了。
So is the horse drawn carriage, but we have cars now.
时代在变，我们也得跟着变。
We change with the times.
唉。
Ugh.
我不是。
Not me.
我还是喜欢我的马车。
I still love my horse and carriage.
还有我的电话通话。
And my phone calls.
那真适合你啊，复古潮人。
Well, great for you, mister retro chic.
但对我们其他人来说，电话一响就让人紧张。
But for the rest of us, a phone call causes panic.
二十年前，电话响可能意味着街上的玛乔丽请你去吃她做的砂锅菜。
Maybe twenty years ago, a ringing phone meant something like, Marjorie down the street is inviting you over for homemade casserole.
多温馨啊。
How charming.
可现在，来电不是垃圾广告，就是那所花了你二十万美元的大学问你愿不愿意再捐点钱，或者来报噩耗的。
These days though, a call is either spam, your college that cost you $200,000 asking if you'd like to give them more money, or someone delivering bad news.
有时候还是误触拨出的电话。
Sometimes it's also a butt dial.
那种还挺有意思的。
Those are fun.
对吧？
Right?
是吗？
Are they?
还得花五分钟跟它较劲？
Five minutes of wrestling?
好吧。
Okay.
而且，你有没有试过想挂电话，对方却一直拖着不放？
Plus, have you ever tried to get off the phone with someone and they keep dragging it out?
你得装出一副话已说完的语气，可对方完全无视暗示，反而开始滔滔不绝讲起他们超市新上架的麦片。
It's a whole song and dance of going, okay, in a way that's supposed to sound final while the other person completely ignores the hint and launches into a detailed anecdote about new cereals on offer at their grocery store.
但短信就不一样了，想什么时候结束就什么时候结束。
Texts, on the other hand, end whenever you want them to.
你只要不回就行了。
You just stop responding.
太完美了。
Beautiful.
也不用来回打电话找人接。
And you don't have to play phone tag trying to get an answer.
发个消息就行，对方有空了自然会回。
Just send your question and the other person responds when they can.
再理想不过了。
Ideal.
还有在公共场合这个问题。
There's also the matter of being in public.
要是有人打电话来闲聊，随便哪个路人都能听见我的对话。
Someone calls to chat and any random stranger can listen in on my conversation.
我想能跟妈妈说说，我因为不小心点错了一份早餐卷饼而哭了一场，又不用让全世界都知道。
I would like to be able to tell my mom about how I cried over accidentally ordering the wrong breakfast burrito without broadcasting it to the world.
这根本用不着让别人知道。
It is simply not the world's business.
说到在公共场合，我们都遇到过被困在别人大声打电话旁边的情况。
And speaking of being in public, we've all been trapped near someone on a loud phone call.
简直太糟了。
It's a nightmare.
发短信是安静的。
Texting is silent.
这才是体贴的选择。
It is the considerate choice.
还有电话永远给不了你的一样东西——文字记录。
And here's something phone calls can never give you, a written record.
我可以翻看短信，找到三个月前有人发给我的地址，再确认一下我们约好见面的时间。
I can search my texts, find that address someone sent me three months ago, and double check what time we said we'd meet.
电话一打完就啥都没了。
A phone call just evaporates into thin air.
而且，短信不只是文字。
And finally, texting isn't just words.
它还能发照片、链接、语音备忘录、表情符号，整个就是多媒体体验。
It's photos, links, voice memos, emojis, a whole multimedia experience.
短信甚至正在改变语言本身。
Texting is even changing language itself.
现在我们都用新缩写和有趣的表情符号来表达自己。
Now we're all using new abbreviations and fun emojis to express ourselves.
就好像每个人都是当代的莎士比亚，不断发明新的表达方式。
It's like each one of us is a modern day Shakespeare, inventing new ways to say things.
所以总的来说，短信方便、体贴、不让人焦虑，而且更富有创意。
So in conclusion, texting is convenient, considerate, less panicky, and frankly, more creative.
哦，又是我儿时的朋友。
Oh, it's my childhood friend again.
她说谢谢。
She says thanks.
这条消息让我一整天都心情大好，她还发了张自己做的三明治的照片。
That text brightened my day, and she sent me a picture of some sandwiches she made.
我也回个流口水的表情加个爱心吧。
Let me text back a drool emoji and a heart one too.
太棒了。
Very
做得真好。
nicely done.
我给你发一堆人击掌庆祝的动图。
I'm sending you GIFs of lots of people giving high fives.
干得漂亮。
Way to go.
艾拉，你对卡莉拉说的那番话印象最深的是什么？
Ella, what stood out to you about Kalila's declaration of greatness?
她说，打电话得挑个合适的时间，而且短信是私密的，你可以自己保管着。
That, like, she was saying how calls have to be at a good time and how, like, your texts are private and, like, kept you can keep them to yourself.
对。
Mhmm.
好的，乔纳森。
Okay, Jonathan.
该你反驳了。
It's time for your rebuttal.
你有三十秒时间，可以忽略卡拉拉的消息，倒计时现在开始。
You've got thirty seconds to leave Kalila on read, and your time starts now.
好的。
Okay.
莎士比亚。
Shakespeare.
我在想，那个笑脸表情到底出现在哪部剧或者哪首十四行诗里。
I'm trying to remember which play or sonnet the the smiley face was in.
你说电话通话会像空气一样消散，这事儿吧……
I I you you you say the thing about of the how phone calls evaporate into air.
但说实话，生命中最美好的东西不都是这样吗？笑声、泪水，还有我们每个人的真实经历。
But, frankly, like, I mean, all the best things in life do, you know, like laughter and tears and our own human experiences themselves.
所以我觉得，这并不能削弱它们的价值。
So I I don't think, you know, that discounts them.
我觉得你说的很多话，听上去特别像长辈在教导我。
I think we're I think a lot of what you're saying, I I I feel very parental to me.
这其实反映出了我们内心的孤独。
It it speaks to our isolation.
我是说，没错，如果你想谈生死、谈生命的有限性，那没问题，但我就是喜欢回头看看那些温馨的短信。
I mean, yeah, sure, if you wanna talk about the nature of mortality and death, but I just like to sort of be able to look back at a nice text later.
你懂的。
You know?
说实话，我也说不准。
I mean, I don't know.
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我们一下子想得太远了。
We're just jumping too too far ahead.
我的意思是，既然这样，那还干嘛呢？
I mean, like, why why do anything?
你知道的。
You know?
比如，既然纸船迟早会沉，干嘛还要在池塘里放呢？
Like, why sail a paper boat on a on a pond when
你是个
you're a
问题就出在这儿。
See, that's the problem right there.
咱们根本说不到一块儿去。
It's like in two different languages.
我那一代人，小时候都是拿棍子赶着铁环满街跑，可你们这一代，有AI全给解决了。
I come from a generation where, you know, you you beat a a hoop down the street with a stick, you know, and and you've I don't your generation has got AI solving all of that.
所以
So
我不太了解AI，但我并不觉得
I don't know about AI, but I don't
我们不再玩铁环是好事，你知道的。
think it's a bad thing that we've, you know, evolved beyond hoops.
现在我们有更多好玩的东西，不用再在街上玩铁环了。
We have better things to play with now than hoops on streets.
风筝。
Oh, kites.
好的。
Okay.
艾拉，该给分了。
Ella, it is time to award some points.
请把一分给你觉得最棒的陈述，另一分给让你信服的反驳。
Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over.
由你来决定什么样的论点才算赢。
You get to decide what makes a winning argument.
有没有哪一方的论证更有激情？
Did one team argue more passionately?
有没有哪一方的逻辑更出色？
Did another team have better logic?
把分数投出去吧，但别告诉我们你投给了谁。
Award your points, but don't tell us who they're going to.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
决定了。
Yes.
很好。
Excellent.
卡拉拉和乔纳森，你们俩现在感觉怎么样？
Kalila and Jonathan, how are you two feeling so far?
我觉得还行吧，挺有把握的。
Feeling confident, I guess.
这感觉真奇怪。
It's so weird.
我平时最怕冲突了，现在这样子还真不习惯。
I'm usually so conflict avoidant that it's a weird
这种状态对我来说挺陌生的。
mode for me to be in.
我都想放弃了。
And I I feel like ready to throw in the towel.
说不定她说得对。
I'm like, maybe she's right.
也许手机真就是给假模假式的人用的。
Maybe phones are for phonies.
我懂什么啊。
What do I know?
好吧。
Alright.
好了，该休息一下了。
Well, it's time for a quick break.
去看看消息，给手机充个电。
Check your messages and charge your phone.
马上回来，继续精彩内容。
And we'll be right back with more smashboom best.
您正在收听《辩论现状》，这里是激情、雄辩与令人惊叹的论辩的殿堂。
You're listening to State of Debate, home to rage and rhetoric and awe inspiring argumentation.
喵。
Meow.
猫叫就是打招呼的意思。
That's cat for hello.
我是泰勒·林肯，辩论爱好者，也是个爱猫的人。
I'm Taylor Lincoln, debate maven and cat person.
汪。
Woof.
汪。
Woof.
这是狗在说：喂我。
That's dog for feed me.
我是托德·道格拉斯，爱狗人士，辩论高手。
And I'm Todd Douglas, the dog dude and debate powerhouse.
我们今天来到当地的动物收容所，来抱抱狗狗和小猫咪。
And we're here at our local animal shelter to cuddle some canines and kitty cuties.
顺便用爪子和爪垫揪出几个逻辑谬误。
And catch some logical fallacies with our claws and paws.
逻辑谬误是一些很糟糕的辩论手法，会让你在辩论中输掉，而我刚抓到一个特别恶劣的。
Logical fallacies are uncool debate techniques that help you lose your debates, and I just snagged a nasty one.
想听听吗？
Wanna hear it?
哦，这狗话的意思就是‘当然了’。
Oh, that's dog for, of course.
咱们听听看，这只猫又叼来了什么。
Let's listen in and see what the cat dragged in.
瞧这些需要家的小猫。
Oh, look at these little kittens in need of a home.
你觉得呢，阿莫斯？
What do you think, Amos?
我该领养一只吗？
Should I adopt one?
算了。
Meh.
它们不是很可爱吗？
Aren't they adorable?
听它们喵喵叫多可爱。
Listen to their little meows.
我其实不太喜欢猫。
I don't really like cats.
等等。
Wait.
什么？
What?
为什么？
Why?
那你为什么没在约会资料里写出来？
And why didn't you put that on your dating profile?
我不知道。
I don't know.
我就觉得猫很凶。
I just think that they're mean.
怎么说？
How so?
因为它们会抓人咬人？
Because they can scratch and bite?
狗也会抓人咬人啊。
Dogs can also scratch and bite.
这小毛球好像挺享受我摸它的感觉。
Oh, this little furball seems to love the way I'm petting him.
猫就是对人不友好，所以才说它们凶。
They're mean because they're they're just not nice to people.
猫对人不友好，所以才说它们凶。
Cats are mean because they're not nice to people.
它们对人不友好，是因为它们凶？
And they're not nice to people because they're mean?
我们刚才那位朋友把同一句话说了两遍。
Our friend just said the same thing twice.
这个说法根本说不通。
That argument didn't take us anywhere.
这是因为陷入了循环论证的谬误。
And that's because it was a circular argument fallacy.
就是辩论者最后又回到了开头的那个论点。
That's when a debater ends their point with the argument they started with.
整个论证就像在原地打转。
It's an argument that goes around in circles.
就像狗追着自己的尾巴转圈。
Like a dog chasing its tail.
我们的朋友阿莫斯得想点新理由，说明猫为什么凶。
Our friend Amos needs to come up with some fresh ideas about why cats are mean.
反正这论点本来就站不住脚。
Which is a losing argument anyway?
我也不清楚，泰勒。
I don't know, Taylor.
我和邻居的猫萨尔萨利托有过几次不愉快的交锋。
I've had a few gnarly run ins with my neighbor's cat, Salsalito.
小心点，托德。
Watch it, Todd.
我的爪子要伸出来了。
My claws are coming out.
引用一下《史酷比》里的经典台词：糟了。
To quote the great Scooby Doo, ruh roh.
我们下期再见。
We'll see you next time on
辩论状态。
State of debate.
辩论。
Debate.
smashboom。
Smashboom.
最棒的。
The best.
你正在收听《SmashBoom》最佳节目。
You're listening to smashboom best.
我是主持人莫莉·布卢姆。
I'm your host, Molly Bloom.
我是评委艾拉。
And I'm your judge, Ella.
我们特别喜欢听听众提出的辩题，比如这个。
And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this one.
你好。
Hi.
我叫怀亚特。
My name is Wyatt.
我来自加利福尼亚的汉福德。
I'm from Hanford, California.
我的辩题是《大富翁》和《叠叠乐》哪个更棒。
My debate suggestion is monopoly versus Jenga.
一场游戏夜的辩论。
A game night debate.
怀亚特可不会轻易站队。
Wyatt's not playing with this one.
我们会在节目最后听听怀亚特觉得谁该赢。
We'll hear who Wyatt thinks should win at the end of the show.
现在回到这场辩论：打电话还是发短信。
And now back to this debate, calling versus texting.
接下来进入第二轮，
And now it's time for round two, the
微轮辩论。
Micro round.
现在进入事实对决环节。
It's time for a fact off.
卡莉拉和乔纳森每人将有三次机会，用一个有趣的事实或观点来支持自己的短评。
Kalila and Jonathan will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool fact or idea.
乔纳森完成了他的最后一轮。
Jonathan went for his last round.
好了，卡莉拉，你先来。
So, Kalila, please start us off.
短信救过一条命。
Texting saved a life.
2008年，英国外科医生大卫·诺特在刚果做志愿者时，通过短信一步步接收手术指导，成功完成了一台救命手术。
In 2008, British surgeon David Knott was volunteering in The Congo and performed a life saving operation, receiving step by step surgical instructions via text message.
手术非常成功。
The operation was a success.
等等。
So wait.
我有个问题想问问这个小趣闻。
I I I just have a follow-up question about that little fun factoid.
他是在做手术的时候，放下手术刀去发短信的？
So he put down the scalpel in order to, like, be texting away?
我不清楚当时的实际操作，比如有没有人替他念出短信内容。
I don't have information about the logistics of if if I maybe someone was reading them out loud.
明白了。
Okay.
好的。
Alright.
我觉得，如果直接用手机操作，完全可以跳过中间人，没必要让人念短信给他听。
I I do tend to think that if it was just on on a phone, you could you can get rid of the middleman, and you wouldn't have to have someone reading the text to him out loud.
不过话说回来，你知道打电话对心理健康有好处吗？
But, anyway, did you know that phone calls are good for your mental health?
我手头有几项研究可以证明这一点。
And I've got some studies to prove it.
有一项研究比较了人们给老朋友打电话和发短信后的感受。
One study tested how people felt after calling an old friend or just typing to them.
你猜怎么着？尽管大家担心打电话会尴尬，但实际根本没这回事。
And get this, even though people were worried that the call would be awkward, it wasn't.
而且这让他们的关系更亲近了。
And it brought them closer to their friend.
另一项研究发现，经常打电话能让人感觉不那么孤单。
And another study found that regular phone calls make people feel less lonely.
这挺好的。
That's nice.
不过，还没到救人一命那种程度。
It's not quite as good as, like, saving someone's life.
但你之前说，没人讲过第一条短信的故事。
But, you know, earlier you said there's no story about the first text message.
其实是有故事的。
In fact, there is.
第一条短信是……
The first text message
哎呀。
Oh boy.
内容是‘圣诞快乐’。
Was Merry Christmas.
这条短信是从电脑发送的，不是手机，时间是1992年12月3日，那可是个不错的年份。
And it was sent from a computer, not a phone, on 12/03/1992, a great year.
第一条短信是由一位名叫尼尔·帕普沃思的22岁软件程序员发的，这名字还挺有意思。
A 22 year old software programmer named Neil Papworth, a fun name, sent the very first text message.
当时手机还不能发短信，所以只能从电脑发送。
It was sent from a computer because mobile devices weren't yet capable of sending texts at the time.
收件人收到短信时，手机上突然跳出这么一条节日祝福，可把他惊喜坏了。
The recipient got a very festive surprise on his phone.
听起来真够喜庆的。
That sounds really jolly.
是啊。
Yeah.
确实挺喜庆的。
It is jolly.
等等。
Wait.
他们就看了看手机，然后看到了‘圣诞快乐’这几个字。
That they just they they they looked at their cell phone, and they saw Merry Christmas.
对。
Mhmm.
这根本没什么喜庆的。
And there's nothing jolly about that.
光是读到‘圣诞快乐’这几个字，根本谈不上喜庆。
There's nothing specific about just reading the words merry.
是用新 courier 字体，全大写的吗？
Was like in new courier font, all caps?
那时候我们还没这个功能。
I don't know that we have that capability at the time.
那会儿这可是新技术。
It was a new technology.
我不清楚。
I don't know.
圣诞贺卡是什么？
What's a Christmas card?
就是写点字。
It's writing.
是的。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
但它颜色鲜艳，还有小图案，比如圣诞老人和驯鹿。
But it's it's it's colorful, and it's got little pictures and Santa Clauses and reindeer.
我不清楚。
I don't know.
不过我倒是想到，要是那时候没有电话，也就不会有电话线了。
It does occur to me, though, that, you know, if there weren't any phones, there would be any phone lines.
那鸟儿会停在哪里呢？
And where would birds sit?
我知道这跟前头没关系，但你有没有想过这个问题？
I know that's a non sequitur, but it's just is that something that you've ever considered?
它们难道要停在树上吗？
Where they gonna sit in trees?
会不会被木刺扎到？
Get splinters?
我觉得它们的脚天生就适应这个。
I think their feet are built for that.
我不觉得它们会被木刺扎到。
I don't know that they get splinters.
好吧。
Alright.
有道理。
Fair enough.
那是你的说法吗？
Was that your facts?
或者不是。
Or No.
那还行。
That was Okay.
所以这或许也算一个事实。
So maybe that counts as a fact.
我想这确实是个事实。
I guess it is a fact.
好的。
Okay.
我有个问题想问你。
Here's a question for you.
你4月25号有什么安排？
What are you doing on April 25?
因为我正在庆祝国家电话日。
Because I am celebrating National Telephone Day.
这个节日始于1967年，是为了纪念美国第1亿条电话线路开通。
It started in 1967 in honor of the one hundred millionth telephone line being installed in The US.
庆祝时，州长和各界名流一起拨通同一个专线电话，还收到了金色的电话机。
To celebrate, they had governors and dignitaries all get on a party line together, and they got gold phones.
我觉得咱们该把这传统 revived 一下，我也想参加这种专线通话，顺便拿个金电话。
I think we need to bring this back because I want to get on a party line and get a gold phone.
金电话是挺酷的，但跟一堆州长挤在电话会议里，听上去简直是我最不想经历的事。
Gold phones is pretty cool, but sitting on a conference call with a bunch of governors sounds actually like a nightmare to me.
好吧。
Alright.
这是我的最后一个事实。
Well, here's my last fact.
2003年，AT&T帮《美国偶像》搭建了一个靠短信投票、而不是电话呼叫的投票系统。
In 2003, AT and T helped American Idol set up a voting system that relied on text messages rather than voice calls.
当时短信还是个新鲜事物，后来的一项调查显示，有22%的受访者表示，他们就是为了给节目投票才学会发短信的。
At the time, text messaging was still new, and some 22% of respondents to a later poll said they learned to text specifically in order to vote on the show.
一档真人歌唱选秀节目，意外成了美国历史上推动短信普及的最大动力之一。
A reality singing competition accidentally became one of the biggest drivers texting adoption in American history.
现在你说到《美国偶像》了。
Now now you're talking about American Idol.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Mhmm.
那是个什么比赛，就是人们唱歌的那个？
And the what what is the that's a competition where people sing
对。
Yes.
人们用上了最伟大的乐器——当然，这是在向艾拉致敬。
Where people make use of the greatest, instrument of all with with deference to Ella.
我这是在讨好评委呢。
I'm trying to butter up the judge here.
长笛和萨克斯，不错。
The flute and the saxophone, great.
还有什么比人声更好的乐器呢？
But what better instrument than the human voice?
你明白我想说的是什么吧
You see where I'm going with
吗？
this?
对于专业歌手来说我懂你的意思，但普通人只是说喜欢某个歌手多过另一个，这根本不用特意讲出来。
I see where you're going for a professional singer, but not for any shmo who's, like, saying they like a certain singer better than another singer.
这种话根本不用说出口。
I don't think that that needs to be spoken.
打字就行了。
Could just as easily be typed.
我有个小知识点。
I got a little mini fact.
我的意思是，我们平时放进口袋里的那东西叫什么？
I mean, what what do we call those things that we keep in our pockets?
我们不会管它叫iPhone。
We don't call them iPhones.
我们确实管它叫iPhone。
We call or rather we do call them iPhones.
我们不会叫它i发短信机。
We don't call them iTexting machines.
对吧？
Right?
这些算是事实吗？
That's the, that is are these facts?
我不确定。
I don't know.
这些是著名的观点，还是致命的打击？
Are they the famous or are they low blows?
我说，我真的不知道。
What is I don't know.
我的意思是，想想你那些朋友，其实人与人之间是有层级的。
I mean, even even, like, when you think about the the friendships that you have, the friends there's kind of a hierarchy.
比如，有些朋友，你随时都能拿起电话打过去。
Like, there's there's the friends that you feel like you could pick up the phone and call.
对吧？
Right?
这些通常都是你最亲近的朋友。
And those are usually your closest friends.
这是一种温和的说法。
That's a soft fact.
这是一种发自内心的事实。
And it was a fact of the heart.
是的。
Yeah.
这确实是个事实，不过。
Much of a fact, but
发自内心的事实。
The fact of the heart.
好吧。
Alright.
埃拉，从这一轮里，你觉得什么是关键点？
Ella, what's the fact to you from this micro round?
他们每个人在发短信方面都有自己的强项。
That they each had, like, their strengths, like, in texting.
你可能更频繁地发，或者发给所有人。
You might, like, do it more often or, like, with everyone.
但打电话就不同了，通常是打给特定的人，来表达你在意他们。
And then, like, calling definitely with, like, specific people to show you care about them.
是的
Mhmm.
对
Mhmm.
好
Alright.
这些观点都很棒，但这一轮只能有一支队伍得分。
Those were a lot of good facts, a lot of good points, but only one team can get a point for this round.
所以，Ella，请你为这一轮分配分数。
So, Ella, please award a point for this micro round.
你的决定完全凭主观，由你说了算。
The decision is completely subjective and completely up to you.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
我决定了。
I have.
完美。
Perfect.
保密哦，马上回来。
Keep it secret, and we'll be right back.
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Want smashboom without the ad breaks?
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Join Smarty Pass and get an ad free feed of this and all of the other shows in the Brains On universe.
还能和我以及团队进行线上互动，还能享受周边商品的折扣。
Plus, you'll get to do virtual hangs with me and the crew and get discounts on merch.
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Sign up at brainson.org.
谢谢。
Thanks.
Boom。
Boom.
Boom。
Boom.
Boom。
Boom.
Boom。
Boom.
Boom。
Boom.
Boom。
Boom.
Smash。
Smash.
Boom。
Boom.
休息。
Rest.
我们回来了，直接开干，因为到了
We are back, and we're jumping right in because it's time for
突袭环节。
Sneak attack.
这是我们的即兴辩论环节，辩手们要当场应对挑战。
This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot.
今天挑战的词是‘猜谜词’。
Today's challenge is mystery word.
每位辩手会拿到三个秘密词，要尽量快地让我们的评委艾拉猜出来。
Each debater will get a list of three secret words, and they're going to try to get our judge, Ella, to guess the word as fast as she can.
比如说，我的其中一个词是‘牛奶’。
So let's say one of my words was milk.
我可能会说，它来自奶牛，可以浇在麦片上，艾拉就会马上答：牛奶。
I might say it comes from a cow, goes on cereal, and Ella would be like milk.
明白了吗？
Got it?
对。
Mhmm.
明白了吗？
Does that make sense?
明白。
Yes.
太好了。
Fab.
好的。
Okay.
你有三十秒的时间，要让埃拉猜出来。
So you're gonna have thirty seconds to get Ella to to guess.
埃拉，我想问一下，你准备好了吗？
And, Ella, so I wanna ask, are you ready for some guessing?
准备好了。
I am.
我准备好了。
I'm very ready.
好的。
Okay.
那么，乔纳森，你来开始。
So, Jonathan, you are going to start us off.
你手里有词了。
You have your words.
好。
K.
让埃拉猜这些词。
Get Ella to guess them.
计时开始。
Your time starts now.
这是你如果联系不上别人，会留在对方手机上的那种信息。
So this is something that you would leave on someone's phone if you couldn't get ahold of them.
语音留言。
Voice mail.
非常好。
Very good.
这是别人给你打电话时，手机发出的声音。
And this is the sound that your phone makes when someone's phoning you.
叮？
Ding?
差不多和……押韵
Almost rhymes with
铃？
Ring?
对。
Yes.
这是正在说话的那个人。
And this is the person who is doing the talking.
你呢？
You?
这个
This
没问题。
is okay.
你按一下手机上的一个小按钮
You hit a little button
静音。
Mute.
当你听到铃声时
On your phone when you hear
不用把手机贴到耳边
it without having
就能操作。
to hold it to your face.
你想猜猜他是谁吗？
Do wanna make him a guess?
我不知道。
I don't know.
答案是什么，乔纳森？
What was the answer, Jonathan?
说话的人。
Speaker.
我做得不太好。
I didn't do a very good job.
这说得通。
That makes sense.
你做得很好。
You did great.
好的。
Okay.
卡莉拉，该你了。
Kalila, it is your turn.
你的词都准备好了吗？
You have your words handy?
准备好了。
Yep.
好的。
Alright.
你的三十秒现在开始。
Your thirty seconds begins now.
明白。
Okay.
文本里的小图示。
The little pictures in the text.
表情符号。
Emojis.
对。
Yes.
当你收到一封邮件时，底部会有一些选项，比如‘申请’之类的。
When you are you're you've got an email, there's options at the bottom, and the options are like Apply?
对。
Yep.
就是你在电脑上打字用的那个东西。
And the thing on the computer that you would use to type.
键盘？
Keyboard?
是的。
Yeah.
做得很好。
Great job.
正确。
Correct.
我从来没见你这么像参加综艺节目的样子。
I've never heard this this game show side of you.
确实如此。
It's true.
我另一面终于露出来了。
A new part of me comes out.
是的。
Yeah.
天哪。
Oh my god.
好的。
Okay.
艾拉，该加分了。
Ella, it is time to award a point.
你来决定把分给谁。
You can decide who gets the point.
有人让你猜得更多了吗？
Did someone get you to guess more?
有人真的和你产生共鸣了吗？
Did someone really connect with you?
你知道的，标准由你来定。
You know, it's up to you what the criteria are.
你已经给分了吗？
Have you awarded your point?
给了。
Yes.
太棒了。
Awesome.
那我们现在进入最后一轮。
Then it's time for our final round.
最后六强。
The final six.
这一轮，每支队伍只能用六个词来概括自己一方的辉煌。
In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side.
卡莉拉，你先来。
Kalila, you're up first.
说说你为什么这么爱用爱心表情发消息。
Tell us why you heart emoji texting.
打开思路。
Open your mind.
未来就在当下。
Future is now.
真不错。
Oh, very nice.
好了，乔纳森。
Alright, Jonathan.
这是最后一次机会了，好好表现，争取赢得这一票。
Last chance to give it your all for a call.
即时、亲密，还不用动手动脚。
Immediate, intimate, hand and finger free.
这算是个连字符连接的复合词。
That's kind of a hyphenated one word.
直接、互动，还特别有趣。
Direct, interactive, and fun.
很不错。
Very nice.
好的，艾拉。
Alright, Ella.
现在到了为这最后六条投票打分的时候了。
It is time to award your final point for this final six.
你决定好了吗？
Have you made your decision?
我决定了。
I have.
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
好吧。
Alright.
艾拉，算一下得分。
Tally up those points, Ella.
你准备好宣布哪个团队是终极冠军了吗？
Are you ready to crown one team the smashboom best?
准备好了。
I am.
好的。
Okay.
请来点鼓声。
Drumroll, please.
获胜的是
And the winner is
在发短信。
texting.
太好了。
Yay.
我就知道。
I knew it.
我就知道。
I knew it.
下次要是遇到的不是青少年评委，而是一个七十岁左右的
Next time, if you get instead of a teenage judge, you get, like, some 70 year
老爷爷。
old man.
他们根本没胜算。
They don't have a fighting chance.
我们的手指太胖乎乎又黏糊糊的，根本没法打字。
Our fingers are just too pudgy and sticky to to text.
你的手指怎么这么黏？
Why are your fingers so sticky?
这是我的事。
It's my business.
我爱吃太妃糖。
I like fudge.
我也是。
Me
我也是。
too.
我也是。
Me too.
艾拉，有没有哪个时刻让你彻底决定要发短信了？
Ella, was there a moment that really decided things for texting?
我觉得可能是那次突然袭击。
I think it was probably the sneak attack.
特别特别快。
It was really, really fast.
我一下子就拿到了。
I got
对，我拿到了。
it.
是的。
Yeah.
卡莉拉真的把那种答题节目模式玩起来了。
Kalila really got that game show mode going.
我们直接锁定了。
We locked in.
我们直接锁定了。
We locked in.
太厉害了。
Very impressive.
乔纳森，我每次和你聊天都很开心。
Jonathan, I always like talking to you.
你总能让我笑出来。
You always make me laugh.
我觉得你说得对，电话里的声音交流确实能带来一种文字无法替代的亲密感。
And I do think you make some good points about the telephone and the intimacy of the relationship you can have with someone in voice versus writing.
这话说得真暖心。
Oh, that's really nice.
卡莉拉，你已经让我改变想法了。
Kalila, you kinda won me over.
我本来对电话这事儿挺固执的，但说实话，你确实说服了我。
I came in here feeling like a little more headstrong about the phone, but you I I have to admit, you kinda won me over some.
这充分说明你辩论水平高、说服力强，还有你那温柔动听的嗓音。
And that and that is a testament to your your debating skill, your persuasiveness, and your velvety, dulcet tones.
你明白我的意思吧？
You get it?
这话说得有点挖苦啊。
That's a little dig.
对。
Mhmm.
这是想暗地里损我一下。
That's a little trying to get a little slam
可算一锤定音了。
dunk on the nail to do that.
但还是讲究体育精神的。
But sportsmanship.
总的来说，挺让人欣慰的。
On the whole, very gratifying.
谢谢。
Thank you.
好了，今天的辩论就到这里。
Well, that is it for today's debate battle.
埃拉·克劳恩在SmashBoom上发帖，赢麻了。
Ella Crown texting the smashboom best.
那你呢？
But what about you?
去smashboom.org投票，告诉我们你认为谁赢了。
Head to smashboom.org and vote to tell us who you think won.
本期节目由我、莫莉·布卢姆、马克·桑切斯和圣塔·托顿制作。
This episode was produced by me, Molly Bloom, Mark Sanchez, and Santa Totten.
音效设计由蕾切尔·布里兹负责，主题曲是马克写的。
It was sound designed by Rachel Breeze, and Mark wrote our theme song.
音频工程方面得到了亚当·李的帮助。
We had engineering help from Adam Lee.
播报员是马利，现场工作人员是奥托，特别感谢奥斯汀·克罗斯和泰勒·考夫曼。
Announcer Our is Marley, foyer worker auto, and we wanna give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman.
卡莉拉，今天你有什么人想特别提到吗？
Kalila, is there anyone you'd like to give a shout out to today?
是的。
Yes.
我想特别感谢我的妈妈安妮莉丝，她是少数让我觉得打电话和发短信一样舒服的人。
I'd like to give a shout out to my mom, Annelise, who's one of the few people in my life that I enjoy both phoning and texting equally.
她在两种方式上都做得特别好。
She's really great in both modes.
真贴心。
That's very sweet.
你呢，乔纳森？
And how about you, Jonathan?
有什么想特别感谢的人吗？
Any special shout outs?
我想感谢我九岁的儿子哈吉，是他最早把我带入《Smashboom》的，让我开始听这个节目。
I I wanna shout out my nine year old son, Huggie, who first introduced me to smashboom vest and got me listening to it.
他可是个铁粉呢，莫莉。
And he he is a big fan, Molly.
真贴心啊。
Aw.
谢谢你，奥吉，为你爸爸发声。
Thank you, Augie, for introducing your dad.
埃拉，你有什么特别想感谢或点名的吗？
And, Ella, any special thanks or shout outs?
我想感谢我爸爸来现场，还有他一直帮忙。
Could I shout out my dad for being here and, like Absolutely.
你可以随便感谢任何人。
You shout out whoever you want.
我想感谢我爸爸来现场，还帮了这么多忙。
And I shout out my dad for being here and helping.
真好。
Nice.
在结束之前，我们来问问怀亚特，他认为在《大富翁》和《叠叠乐》之间，哪个该赢。
And before we go, let's check-in and see who Wyatt thinks should win the debate between MONOPOLY and Jenga.
我觉得大富翁会赢，因为它玩的时间更长，也就更有趣。
I think MONOPOLY would win because it's longer than and that means more fun.
如果你年龄在13到18岁之间，想当评委，或者无论什么年龄，都有想吵个天翻地覆的辩题，欢迎上smashboom.org/contact给我们留言。
If you're between the ages of 13 and 18 and you'd like to be a judge or if you're any age and you have an idea for a knockdown drag out debate, head to smashboom.org slash contact and drop us a line.
如果你喜欢这个节目，想继续支持我们，就去smartypass.org订阅吧。
And if you're a fan of the show and wanna keep it going, head to smartypass.org to subscribe.
下周我们回来，带来新的一期《 SmashBoom 最佳对决》：蒲公英对兰花。
We'll be back next week with a new smashboom best episode, dandelions versus orchids.
再见。
Bye.
回头闻你。
Smell you later.
告辞了。
Farewell.
利比，鸡杂。
Libby giblets.
我也不喜欢你说‘你好吗’这句话。
I also hate that you said how do you do?
我觉得这话特别让人不舒服。
I found that very gross.
所以我才觉得，这话说给你听挺特别的。
That's why I thought that was special for you.
不过我们还没开始正式辩论呢。
Anyway, we haven't even started debating yet.
对。
No.
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