Shaun Murphy Opens Up On Crucible Heartbreak & Wants World No.1 In HUGE Season Preview! 😍 | S4E1

我们说的是，他们连四分之一决赛都进不去吗？

Are are we talking, like, they they don't even get to a quarter final?

他们甚至连参加巡回赛的门槛都够不着，对吧？

They don't even get to, like, you know, the fall off the tour was Yeah.

定义困境和状态不好，我觉得这里面是有不同层次的

Defining struggle and having a bad I think There's levels to

是吧？

it, isn't there?

是的。

Yeah.

就拿贾德去年来说吧，他虽然没明说，但我觉得那个赛季，从夺冠数量来看，根本算不上好赛季

For for something like Judd last year, I I mean, he he never said it, but I thought last season, in terms of winning, what what he used to win was was not a great season

对。

Mhmm.

以前我们可是每个赛季都能赢四五个冠军的。

Because we used to have winning four or five titles, yeah, you know, every term.

所以这就是困境。

So struggle.

我真的不知道。

I I don't I don't I don't know.

我实在说不准。

I don't know.

但我觉得，他们还能撑多久呢？

But, yeah, I just I just think how long can can they go on?

是的。

Yeah.

他还能继续打下去吗？

Well Can he keep playing?

我们得弄清楚，马克·威廉姆斯今年的眼睛还能不能撑得住。

We need to work out if Mark Williams' eyes are gonna be working this season.

像这样的因素也得考虑进去。

There's factors like that involved.

十年后我们还会在说这话。

We'll be saying we'll be saying it in ten years.

那今年，你觉得他们会不会终于开始跌出排名前列？

Well, this season, do you think they'll finally start dropping down the rankings?

是的。

Yeah.

这个播客结束后，他们还会继续下去。

This podcast, they'll outlive this podcast.

对。

Yeah.

五年后，你们做播客时会提到现在的我们，说：‘看啊，肯·霍尔沃斯、亨利和沃森，他们居然还在坚持。’

In five years, the the class nights you'll be doing a podcast about us saying, well, Ken Hallworth, Henry and Watson keep going for much longer, really.

我要像史蒂夫·雷德格雷夫那样。

I do the Steve Redgrave way.

如果十年后我还在做这个播客，你就开枪打死我吧。

If I'm still doing this podcast in ten years, shoot me.

开枪打死我吧，行吧。

Shoot me, all right.

欢迎各位忠实听众回到斯诺克俱乐部。

And welcome back to Snooker Club to our valued listeners.

这个赛季的开局相当乐观。

Very optimistic start to the season.

你看，现在他有了关键一击的能力，他已经不一样了。

Well, he's got the big break thing now, you see, he's changed.

他习惯了上电视。

He's used to the telly.

他那边 probably 有个休息室之类的。

He's probably got a green room over there and all

不过变化不大，对吧。

Small change though, isn't yeah.

我可是名人了。

I'm a celeb.

我们马上就要迎来新嘉宾了。

We're about to find the new guest.

斯蒂文，我很好奇他这次做播客有什么特别要求。

I wonder what his rider is for this podcast, Steven.

这个赛季的首场重头戏是7月27号到8月2号的上海大师赛，精彩程度没得说。

So the first main event of the season is a cracker, the Shanghai Masters from July 27 to August 2.

24位选手的邀请赛阵容，一直是粉丝们的最爱。

24 player Invitational Field, a fan favorite.

包括世界排名前16的选手，再加上八位中国球员。

So the world's top 16 and then eight Chinese players.

排名前八的选手直接晋级第二轮，杰克·莱斯沃斯基顶替马克·艾伦加入阵容。

Top eight receiver Bright around two, and Jack Lesowski joins the lineup replacing Mark Allen.

这个赛季初就有不少值得期待的对决。

There's some obviously very interesting early season matches here.

如果罗尼赢了外卡选手，接下来就会对阵凯伦。

If Ronnie beats the wildcard, he'll set up a match with Kyren.

如果丁俊晖赢下他的中国外卡选手，他将在第二轮对阵赵心童，这对上海观众来说肯定是个非常精彩的看点。

If Ding Zhongwei beats his Chinese wildcard, he'll have a a round two match against Zhao Zhingtong, which obviously would be a very interesting prospect for the Shanghai crowd.

塞尔比如果赢了第一轮，就会对阵肖恩·墨菲；而杰克·利索夫斯基对张安达的比赛，我们已经知道是首轮对决。

Selby would play Shaun Murphy if he wins his round one game, and Jack Lesowski against Zhang Andu, we already know, is a round one game.

所以这场比赛很有意思。

So interesting one.

显然，你非常喜欢上海，斯蒂芬·亨德利。

Obviously, you're very fond of Shanghai, Stephen Hendry.

你去过

You've been

那儿挺多次的

there quite

而且这次比赛很适合咱们开场，对吧？

a bit, and this is a good tournament to get us started, isn't it?

确实如此。

It is.

是的。

It is.

这是一座很棒的城市。

It's a fabulous city.

我会去那里。

I'm gonna be there.

我今天就要去中国了，不过我会全程参与，说不定还会做点解说，那会挺有意思的。

I'm going to China today, actually, but I'm I'm gonna be there for it and maybe do a bit of commentating as well would be interesting.

不过，这确实是个盛大的赛事，规模非常大。

But, yeah, it's a great event, huge event.

不得不说，中国的赛事办得非常出色。

I mean, you have to say the China events are done really well.

他们会搞盛大的红毯，还有开幕仪式之类的。

They do the big red carpet, the, you know, the opening ceremony.

场地也总是那种超大型的，一切都很有排面。

The, you know, the venues are always, you know, these these huge venues and stuff.

但归根结底，桌子还是那张桌子。

But at the end of the day, it's it's the table's just the same.

你得上场，把该做的事儿做了。

You gotta get in and and and do the business.

传统上，赢下这项赛事的一直都是顶尖选手。

But traditionally, it's always been one of the top top players in the game that's won it.

所以，这确实是个很棒的揭幕战。

So, yeah, it's a great opener.

这是一项很有声望的赛事。

It's a great you know, it's a prestigious event.

对。

Yeah.

基隆去年赢得了上海站的冠军。

Kyron won the Shanghai last year.

那是他为数不多的几个冠军头衔之一。

One of relatively few titles that he picked up.

他两个都喜欢，你知道的，我们这些人虽然长时间表现不错，但没人能像那样整个赛季都一骑绝尘。

He enjoyed both, you know, people we sort of, despite playing well in long sort of for long periods, none of them dominated the season the way.

确实，没人能在整个赛季里占据绝对主导。

Well, no one dominated the season.

这正是我们之前常说的，也正因如此，这个赛季才这么精彩。

It's what we said so often last, this is what made it such an exciting season.

但这次锦标赛或许能让我们第一次看到，谁能在开局就拿下一场胜利，早早确立优势。

But this tournament might give us a first taste of who It feel really good to get out of the blocks with a tournament win early on.

是的。

Yeah.

你可能会想，正如你之前提到的，马克，他整个赛季都在努力，资格赛也过了，赛季初状态也不错，只是没立刻进入最佳状态。

You would think, I mean, obviously tells you, as you mentioned earlier, Mark, who's been working, who's had their QO and and and and and has got Sharp for the start of the season and and who's sort of, you know, maybe not been on it straight away.

基伦显然在这项赛事中赢了。

Kyren obviously won this on the mat.

他赢了两项重大的赛事——这个和大师赛，但这些成绩都没能提升他的排名。

Won two huge events, this and the masters, but none of them meant anything towards his rankings.

是的。

Yeah.

对，没错。

Well, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这大概就是大师赛的特点吧。

That's that's the Masters for you, I suppose.

我的意思是，球员们是否密集训练，到底有多大影响呢？

I mean, how much difference does it make whether whether players have been, you know, intensively practicing?

我们常讨论，是该在球台上不断调整，还是干脆暂时远离一段时间更好。

We sometimes talk about the merits of tinkering at the table versus just having a little bit of time away from it.

其实，冠军联赛往往是个不错的参考，因为不少顶尖选手都会把它当作热身，为上海大师赛做准备。

Well, actually, championship league is often a good indicator because a few of the top players usually enter that as bit of a just a warm up and a run in the lead up to, you know, the Shanghai Masters.

但说到底，只有凯伦确实参加了。

But really, the only, Kyren obviously did enter it.

他不得不退赛，因为比赛期间家里遭了贼，真是够离谱的。

He unfortunately had to withdraw because his house got burgled while he was playing which was a crazy situation but.

可不是嘛。

Didn't it?

是的。

Yeah.

他第一天打了比赛，本来是想借这个机会找找比赛感觉，结果只打了一场就被叫回家处理紧急情况了。

So, he he played on day one and obviously was looking at the event to to to get a bit of match practice under his belt and he only played one match and he he got called home for for that emergency.

所以啊。

So.

太意外了。

Shocker.

对啊。

Yeah.

确实太意外了。

Shocker.

是的。

Yeah.

但真正参赛的其他顶尖选手就只有肖振东了。

But the only other top player really was Xiao Zing Tong that entered it.

克里斯·韦克林也来了。

Chris Wakelin was there too.

但很多人选择不参加。

But a lot of them chose not to not to play.

所以上海大师赛将是我们第一次真正看到这么多顶尖选手同台竞技。

So the Shanghai Masters is going to be the first time that we actually get to see a lot of the top boys.

回想去年，你知道，艾利·卡特打进了决赛，最终拿了亚军。

And you think back to last year, you know, Ali Carter got to the final, was runner-up in the end.

他是临时被召来的。

He was a last minute call up.

对。

Yeah.

所以我只是在想

So I just wonder

我在想，这会不会是杰克·莱索夫斯基的一个预兆，因为

I just wonder if that is a bit of an omen for Jack Lesowski because of

马克·沃森。

Mark Watson.

是的。

Yeah.

今年莱索夫斯基也是这样。

As is Lesowski this year.

也许这正是莱索夫斯基夺冠的方式——根本没怎么准备，临时上场就赢了。

Maybe it might be this sort of it's the way you can imagine Lesowski winning one actually just showing up without too much thinking time, too much prep.

这也标志着中国巡回赛的开始，连续三到四周吧。

It's it's also the start of a three weeks of or three or four week China swing, if you like.

对。

Yeah.

连续三站比赛都在中国。

Three tournaments in a row in China.

对那些不太喜欢来这边的球员来说，这可是一段漫长的奔波。

So a long long a long slog out there for players who maybe don't enjoy going out there as much.

当然不是说他们不愿意来。

Not that they won't you know?

这确实是个挺艰难的安排。

It's it's a sort of tough situation.

这周我跟杰克逊·佩奇一起拍片，他正好要打上海大师赛之后的两站比赛。

I was with Jackson Page this week film, and and he's obviously in both the not the track of Shanghai Masters, but the two after it.

他说，如果中国公开赛第一轮就输了，就得等两周才能打武汉站。

He's saying if he loses first round of the of the China Open, then he's gotta wait two weeks before the Wuhan.

你是回家休息，还是继续留在外面？

Do you come home?

你是回家，还是继续留在外面？

Do you stay out there?

这确实挺不容易的。

It's like so it's it's a quite a tough thing.

当然，我们会在下一期播客里聊聊这些赛事。

Obviously, we'll we'll talk about those events in the next podcast.

不过说实话，对很多选手来说，连续三四周甚至五周待在中国，确实挺特别的。

But, yeah, it's it's gonna be a, you know, a strange situation for a lot of players three, four, five weeks out in China at a time.

是的。

Yeah.

对你来说这根本不算事儿。

I mean, it wouldn't bother you.

你肯定天天都想去吃北京烤鸭。

You'd be all over that Peking duck every every night of your life.

但如果你不习惯待在中国，连续两三个星期确实会很难熬——我们之前说过，球员们本来就讨厌在比赛之间干等着，要是再身处一个不熟悉的地方，这种感觉只会更糟。

But two or three weeks in China, if you're not used to it, is would be I I because we've talked about how players don't like hanging around between matches at the best of times, but I suppose that would be doubled if you're in

一个不太了解的国家。

a country you don't know very well.

如果你有两三周闲着没事，总得找个酒店住吧。

Well, if you got two a couple of weeks to kill, you got to find a hotel.

当然，还得找个能练球的地方。

Obviously, you got to find somewhere at practice.

对。

Yeah.

这不就是关键吗？

That's the thing, isn't it?

没错。

Yeah.

如果你不太爱吃中餐，那确实得想办法，毕竟外面也有麦当劳、肯德基这类地方。

If you if you're if you're not a fan of the Chinese food, you know, it's it's finding, you know, obviously, there's things like McDonald's and KFC and stuff out there.

那倒没问题。

That's fine.

但总不能天天吃这些吧。

But I mean, can't eat that every day.

连续两星期这样过可受不了。

Can't live like that for two weeks.

那你简直像巡演的脱口秀演员了。

You'd be like a touring comedian.

是啊。

Yeah.

那

The

简直太惨了。

absolute pit.

对啊。

Yeah.

这肯定是真的。

Well, it's gonna be true.

挺有意思的是，看看这段长时间在中国的经历会带来什么心理影响，我想这大概就是未来的大趋势了。

It will be interesting to see the psychological impact of this long stretch in China, which I guess is going to be the shape of things to come as well.

感觉最近发生的事情越来越多了

It feels like there's more and more stuff going on

在中国举办的赛事里，政治因素也越来越多了

in Just China every bringing in a few politics of the game.

你知道，这正是很多选手希望看到的

You know, this is what a lot of the players wanted.

他们希望把赛事集中在中国举办，让长途跋涉显得更值得，但前提是你要打到赛事的中后期阶段

They wanted the events to be condensed in China to make their trips, you know, feel a bit more worthwhile, but that's all well and good if you're at the the lattice biz lattice stage in business end of the event.

可如果你第一轮就被淘汰了，接下来几周还得待着，那可怎么打发时间呢

But if you're getting beat first round and then you're going on to the next one in a few weeks time, you're gonna have to fill your time.

这确实挺难的

So it's gonna be tough.

咱们看看他们怎么应对吧

We'll see how they get on.

我们现在非常荣幸邀请到了肖恩·墨菲

We're now very lucky to be joined by Shaun Murphy.

肖恩，首先非常高兴你能来。

Shaun, firstly, great to have you here.

资料显示你去过法网，还有其他一些网球赛事，是这样吗？

Says here you've been to the French Open, the tennis, among other things.

没错吧？

Is that right?

是的，我完全可以保证，我不会转行去打网球。

Yeah, no, I can just assure everybody there is no career change coming.

你绝对看不到我那白得发亮的腿。

You're you're not gonna see my whiter than white legs.

我的防晒腿可不会在中央球场，或者任何球场上蹦跶。

The sun repellent legs won't be dancing around center court or any court for that matter.

这事儿啊

That's

真可惜。

a shame.

你一直说他，我可是见过肖恩的。

You've been all you've been like he's I've seen Shaun.

他去过马尔代夫。

He's been in The Maldives.

他跑遍了整个地中海，可皮肤还是跟台球一样白。

He's been all around the Mediterranean, and he still looks the same color as a cue ball.

我能

Can I

先打断一下吗？

just interrupt quickly?

不好意思。

Sorry.

如果你

If if if you

大家不介意的话，请肖恩·墨菲OBE说吧。

all wouldn't mind, Shaun Murphy OBE, please.

不好意思。

Sorry.

肖恩·墨菲爵士。

Shaun Murphy OBE.

对。

Yes.

咱们说准确点。

Let's get that right.

没错。

Yeah.

确实如此。

Quite rightly.

他为国家服务，非常感谢。

And he's Thank you very much.

他以去马尔代夫度假来庆祝自己为国家的奉献。

He celebrates his service to the country by going off to The Maldives.

我知道，要是我真被封了骑士爵位，你想想会怎样。

I know, yeah, imagine if I've got a knighthood.

我可能就再也不回来了。

I might never come back.

去太空？

In space?

对。

Yeah.

其实我本来想问问你，是怎么走出克鲁西布那场特别倒霉的失利的，但听你这么一说，你好像也没被这事拖垮。

Well, I mean, I was gonna ask how it's been putting the sort of very, very unlucky Crucible defeat behind you, but it sounds like the answer is you haven't done too badly with it.

是啊。

Yeah.

你知道吗？

Do you know what?

说实话，我不想让这期播客的气氛变沉重，但我觉得，这种事真的很难真正放得下。

To be honest, listen, I wouldn't wanna bring the tone of the podcast down at all, but I don't think you ever get over something like that.

我觉得我永远都放不下。

I I don't think I ever will.

说实话，我也没想着要去放下，毕竟这也不是我第一次输掉世界决赛了。

I I you know, I I have I have I I wouldn't say I've tried to get over it because I've you know, it's not the first world final I've lost in.

我知道这感觉是怎么回事。

I know how it works.

但说实话，这次的打击比以往任何一次都更重，真的离冠军那么近了。

But this one has hurt more than any of the others, I have to say, I think to come so close.

是的。

Yeah.

就像我在几次采访里说的，我从来不觉得自己是输了，也没觉得是自己错过了赢的机会。

You know, and as I said in a couple of interviews, I don't feel like I lost it, I don't feel like I had my chance to win it.

我觉得是我们主动出击，直接把冠军拿下了。

I feel like we just took took, you know, took the bull by the horns and won it.

我觉得这种事，真的永远都放不下。

I don't think you ever get over it.

不，没有。

And No.

过去几个月里，我有过一些时刻，当时觉得那也没那么重要，但后来从更大的角度看，才明白过来。

You know, I've had moments in the last few months where I you know, you think, oh, it wasn't that great, and you look at things from a much bigger perspective.

前几天我看女子网球决赛，那个亚军选手一看到结果就哭了，我完全能体会到她的心情。

And then the other day, I was watching the ladies tennis final, and the lady who was runner-up, like, broke into tears watching because I can just feel how she's feeling.

当你真正经历过别人所经历的事，能深刻理解他们的感受时，那种痛楚是真实的，而且随时可能袭来。

And I think when you've walked a day in someone's shoes, when you can really appreciate what someone's going through, it can be quite painful that, and it can get you at any stage.

斯诺克历史上，只有七位选手打进过决胜局的世锦赛决赛。

There are only seven players in snooker history who've been in a world final that's gone to a deciding frame.

当然，史蒂文，你进过两次，而且两边都经历过。

Of course, Steven, you've been in two, and you've been on both sides of them.

你知道那是什么感觉。

You'll you know how it feels.

是的。

Yes.

我从来没忘记过埃布登那场。

I've I've not forgotten the Ebden.

你就是我。

You're me.

那场球我始终忘不了。

I've not forgotten that one.

一想到那场，我后背还是发凉。

I still get shivered down my spine thinking about that one.

我觉得，后来在克鲁西布剧院和之后的复盘里，其实没几个人提到你那决胜局有多倒霉——斯诺克球正好停在黄球正前方，完全没机会打。

Well, I think and and the and the sort of analysis afterwards while I was at the Crucible and after, not a lot of people have mentioned actually how unlucky you were in that deciding frame with the cue ball landing right in front of the yellow giving you no shot.

要是那颗白球偏一点，你就能轻松走一条长红球，自己拿下比赛了。

Because if that cue ball lands out of side, you got quite a comfortable long red to try and get in and win it yourself.

这可能

This might

也没帮到我多少。

not have helped me actually.

你在决赛时想过的那些事，会想到那个球吗？

All the thing all the things you've thought about at the final do you think about that?

我觉得不会。

I don't think so.

根本不会，亨德利。

At all, actually, Hendry.

对。

Yeah.

咱们一球一球地复盘一下最后一局吧。

Let's reconstruct that final frame ball by ball.

好。

Yeah.

你有那段录像吗？

Have you got a video?

有。

Yeah.

我们来

Let's let's do

放慢动作。

slow motion.

好的。

Yeah.

不行。

No.

听我说。

Listen.

你说得对，当然，但体育竞技就是这么残酷，对吧？

You're you're are you right, of course, but sport is cutthroat, isn't it?

总有人赢，也总有人输。

You know, someone wins and someone loses.

这正是我们热爱它的原因，不是吗？

That's that's and that's why we love it, isn't it?

这就是我们对体育上瘾的原因。

That's why we're addicted to sport.

所以你看，不管是网球、高尔夫，还是其他任何个人项目，对我来说，它们都远超团队运动。

That's why, you know, when the tennis is on or the the golf's on or, you know, any certainly, any single player sport for me, just to cut above all the team sports.

不过我现在正处在世界杯的狂热中。

But I am in World Cup fever at the minute.

我得承认这一点。

I will admit that.

但我认为，团队运动根本没法跟个人项目相比。

But, like, I don't think I don't think team sports come anywhere near single player sports for that.

没错。

No.

当所有压力都压在你一个人身上时，感觉肯定不一样。

It must be different when it's all on you like that.

是的。

Yeah.

我之前听你说过，在决赛之前，这场胜利对你来说比职业生涯中赢得的任何其他东西都更有意义。

I I heard you say before the final that it'd mean more than the than anything else you'd won in your career.

是因为你现在经历得更多了，更懂得要打进决赛有多不容易吗？

Was that just because it had been because you've been around a bit longer now, you have more of an appreciation of what it takes even to get to a a final view?

是的，完全没错。

Yeah, totally.

我觉得有一部分原因是

I think part of

我2005年能赢，可能就在于我啥都不懂，这反而成了秘诀。

the magic and probably secret as to why I won it in 2005 was because I was so clueless about everything.

我敢说，22岁那会儿，我根本没想太多。

I can assure you at 22, I didn't overthink anything.

我也是，我那时候也没多想。

No, me neither, no.

说实话，我二十多岁的时候，常常想得太少。

I I say I underthought quite a lot of my twenties.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以我觉得，那时候这反而发挥了我的优势。

So, you know, I think that played into my sort of strengths then.

我从不犹豫，也不怀疑自己。

I didn't didn't over didn't second guess myself.

就是放手去打，心里没负担。

Just went for my shots and didn't have any battle scars.

我觉得当你年纪大了……

I think when you're Mhmm.

我现在43岁了，走遍了世界各地，经历也多了。

You know, I'm 43 now and been around the world and, you know, all of that.

你会看到，你更有经验了，但这种经验既有好的一面，也有……

I think you'd see you you know, you're more experienced, but you're more experienced in the good and

坏的一面。

the bad.

是的。

Yeah.

你当时把握得还不错，但确实负担重了一点。

You're carrying little bit the right time, but you are, yeah, you're carrying a bit more.

而且，

And,

那几乎让我在谢菲尔德赢下来了。

you know, that very nearly got me over the line in Sheffield.

差一点就成功了。

Very nearly got me there.

我离胜利只差一局。

I got to within a frame.

我现在想做的，就是把这段经历变成动力，重新再来。

And what I'm trying to do is is to is to turn that and use it as motivation to go again.

因为说实话，我不知道自己还能打多少年。

Because, you know, I don't know how many years I've got left in the game.

我希望吧，至少还能再打个十年，甚至更久，你看‘92届的那些人，到现在还这么厉害，他们是怎么做到的？

I'd like to think, you know, the thick end of ten years, possibly at the top end of the game, you know, when you look at the class of '92 and how far they're going, how they keep doing it.

我觉得自己还有的是时间。

I'd like to think I've got plenty of years left.

离拿第二个世界冠军就差那么一帧、那么几杆，这必须成为我加倍努力的动力，逼自己更拼，明年去谢菲尔德时，希望能成为夺冠热门之一。

And getting to within that one frame, a few shots of a second world title, you know, that needs to be the motivation for me to to work even harder, to try even more, to go even tougher, and to turn up at Sheffield next year, hopefully, as one of the contenders.

Shaun，你现在已经有了这样的动力，那这个赛季你有什么具体的目标吗？

With that motivation that you've obviously got now, Shaun, what, have what have you got some specific goals for for this season?

对于Shaun Murphy来说，什么样的赛季才算成功？

What what what is now a good season looking ahead for Shaun Murphy?

有些目标，我会自己留着，不对外说。

I mean, you know, some of them will stay private.

我确实每年都给自己定目标，

You know, I do I do I do set goals every

得了吧，肖恩。

Oh, come come on, Shaun.

我不是说了别公开吗。

I said keep it private.

有一部分会保持

Some of them of them will stay

私下。

private.

有一部分。

Some of them.

我们不会深究这些。

We're not gonna grill them.

我知道。

I know.

说实话，我从来没登上过排名榜首。

I mean, I've never ever bay I've never made it to the top of the rankings.

你知道吧，我从来没做到过

You know, I've never ever ever made

就是这个，我正想问呢。

it That was my next the question.

这应该不是遥不可及吧？

Is that that's got to be within reach, surely?

是的，我觉得对我们几个人来说，这目标其实够得着。

Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's within reach for a few of us, you know.

我觉得朱德最近好像又追上来了，你知道吧，这大概就是排名数字的正常波动，现在我们之间拉开了一点距离，我觉得大家心里都开始有点希望了，觉得他不是完全追不上，但要想赶上他，咱们得拼了命才行。

I feel like Judd's sort of come back to the pack a little bit, you know, just thinks it's just the way the numbers work, And there's there's a little bit of daylight there now where I think we've all got a bit of hope at the end of the tunnel that he is catchable, but, I mean, we're gonna have to go some to catch him.

你懂的。

You know?

光说他好像又追近了，这话说起来容易。

It's it's all well and good saying, yeah, he's come back to us a bit.

但真要想追上他，得有人接连赢下好多比赛才行。

But, like, someone's gonna have to win a lot of tournaments and win a lot of matches to catch him.

而且，我希望这个人能是我。

And, you know, I'm gonna try, hopefully, for that person to be me.

我觉得明年这个时候，我有可能坐在这里，成为世界第一——这确实是我的目标之一。

I think it's possible that this time next It's year I could be sat here as the world number definitely one of my goals.

这个目标列在我的计划里。

It's on my list.

我想，斯蒂文，你之前好像在问我的训练安排是怎样的。

And I think I think earlier, Steven, you were trying to say you were asking about what my practice regime is.

是的。

Yeah.

你去年好几次提到自己练得多辛苦，今年还是继续这样吗？

Well, you said a few times last year how hard you were working.

今年还是像以前一样，没日没夜地练？

Is that that just continuing that on and on and on this season again?

对。

Yeah.

完全没错。

Totally.

我回到老派训练方式了。

I I've gone I've gone old school.

你懂的。

You know?

别人都讲究精而不多，我却走复古路线，练得又多又扎实。

I'm going I'm going old school vintage whilst everyone else is, you know, trying to do, you know, quality over quantity.

我想两样都做到。

I'm trying to do both.

既要练得高质量，也要练够数量。

So I'm trying to do some really good practice, but loads of it.

花几个小时其实挺容易的。

And, you know, it's easy to hours.

对。

Yeah.

练几个小时不容易，但我认为这能让你保持敏锐。

It's not easy to do hours, but but I think it makes you sharp.

我觉得这才是秘诀，对吧？

I think it's the secret, isn't it?

我觉得这就是关键，也正是这几年贾德能领先所有人的重要原因——他自己也说过，他做的唯一一件事就是打斯诺克。

I think it is it's it's the secret, and it's one of those things that I think has kept Judd ahead of everyone else in the last few years is that by his own admission, all he does is play snooker.

是的。

Yeah.

如果你一直不停地击球，那你在这件事上肯定会越来越厉害。

So, you know, if you if you're just continuously hitting balls, you are gonna be pretty good at something.

自从谢菲尔德之后，我确实休息了一段时间。

Now I've had some time off, obviously, since Sheffield.

你看我身后这个斯诺克房，最近几周根本没怎么用过，但只要我一投入进去，上周就开始天天泡在里面了，去上海之前我也会每天练，等赛季正式开始，我就进入老派、拼命训练的模式，每天都会泡在房间里练球。

I have have, you know, I would, I have, my snooker room behind me, as you can see, hasn't been overused in the last few weeks, but once I get into it, the queue came out last week, like I've been in that room every day, I'll be in it every day before going to Shanghai, and once the season gets in full use, like, I'm going old school, rocky mode, you know, I'll be in there every day training.

这样挺好，你得动起来。

It's good to It's you out.

说实话，这种形象谁都不想有。

Know, yeah, it's not an image anyone needs.

没人需要这种形象。

No one needs

我们都已经心里有数了。

We've to see all got it in our heads now.

但我还是会尽力，真的会拼尽全力，把这份痛苦用起来。

But I'm going to try, like, I'm going to try my best, and I'm really going to try my best to use the pain.

这确实很痛，我知道，确实难受，但我打算把谢菲尔德带来的痛苦变成动力，逼自己更拼一点。

And it is painful, you know, it does hurt, but I think I'm going to try and use that pain from Sheffield as motivation to go even harder.

肖恩，你觉得整体水平是不是有史以来最高的？

Would you say the overall standard is as high as it's ever been, Shaun?

因为去年我们聊过那么多不同的冠军得主。

Because we talked about so many different tournament winners last year.

你说过，现在有一大堆球员都有能力成为世界第一。

You were saying there's a there's a bunch of players who could be world number one.

感觉你必须竭尽全力，才能拿到那点竞争优势，不然别人会比你更拼。

It it feels like it is you've sort of got to do everything you can to get that competitive edge, because if you don't do it, there's going to be someone else going the extra mile, I suppose.

是的，完全没错。

Yeah, totally.

我觉得斯诺克挺特别的。

I think Snooker's a funny one.

你看其他运动，人人都在说他们多努力、练得多勤，比如罗里·麦克罗伊，他总是最后一个离开练习场。

You know, you turn on all the other sports and they're all telling you how hard they're working and how much practice they do and how many you you hear it about Rory McElroy, he's the last one to leave the driving range.

网球选手也是，天天一练就是好几个小时，天天如此。

You know, you hear it about the tennis players, they're hitting balls every day, every day for hours.

可你一到斯诺克比赛现场，有个选手居然说：‘哎，我最近没怎么练。’

And then you rock up to a snooker event and, you know, snooker player A will say, yeah, I've not really been practicing recently.

你一听，哦？

You're like, right.

那行吧，这比赛结果也清楚了。

Well, that'll be that then.

然后你去问世界排名第一的选手。

And then you ask the world number one.

他说：哦，没有啊。

He says, oh, no.

我现在的训练量比以往任何时候都大。

I'm practicing more than I've ever practiced.

你知道，这可不是什么高科技。

You know, the it's not science.

这根本不是什么火箭科学，兄弟们。

It's not rocket science, lads.

就是只要你一直做下去，

It's so much if if

你就会越来越熟练。

you keep doing something, you get better at it.

对。

Yeah.

他们老是聊罗纳尔多、梅西这些人，说他们在训练场上练得有多勤，现在我们也都开始练任意球了。

Well, they talk about Ronald Ronaldo, Messi, who are on the training ground, and now we're after everyone else practicing free kicks.

我的意思是，他们怎么就那么厉害呢？

I mean, so you know, like, why why are they good at it?

我挺好奇的。

I wonder.

对。

Yeah.

不错。

Cool.

是啊。

Yeah.

这么一来就全都说得通了。

Makes it all good.

我以前的教练，还有你的教练斯蒂芬，总说成功总会留下线索，这话听起来有点老套，但其实并不复杂。

My old coach and yours, Stephen, used to say that success likes to leave clues, and it's a bit of a cheesy one liner, but it isn't complicated.

你通常会发现，每到周末捧起奖杯的那些人，往往都是最拼命训练的。

And you usually find that the ones who stand there at the end of the weeks with the trophies, usually they're the ones that work hardest.

当然，我这儿有几个挺有意思的问题。

Sure, we've got, well, I've got a couple of interesting questions here.

显然，去年关于中国球员的讨论特别多。

Well, obviously there's been a lot of talk about what the Chinese players in particular last year.

有没有哪位球员，大家说得太少，但你认为他其实正在悄悄崛起？

Is there a player that people don't talk about enough that you think is going under the radar a bit?

其实我很多年前就看好他了。

Well, mean, I tipped him many, many years ago.

他刚出道的时候，我就觉得赵一龙将来一定能成为世界级球星。

I tipped Zhao Yilong to go ahead and become a world beater when he first came on the scene.

我不太记得具体是十年前了，可能还更早一点。

I don't know whether it was ten years ago, it could be a couple more years than that.

我只记得他一上场，我就觉得，这孩子样样都行。

I just remember him coming on and thinking, geez, this lad's got everything.

他的技术、击球选择、沉着冷静，还有走位的风格，样样都堪称世界级。

His technique, his shot selection, his composure, the way he went round the table, everything just seemed world class.

但到现在为止，他还没完全发挥出应有的水平。

Now that hasn't gone on and he hasn't come to fruition yet.

我用‘还没’这个词，是因为每个人的成长节奏都不一样。

And I use the word yet because people bloom at different stages of their life.

我记得他最近搬到了谢菲尔德，现在常驻维多利亚斯诺克学院。

I believe he's just moved to Sheffield, he's now basing himself at Victoria's Snooker Academy.

换个环境，有时候就像好好休息一样，对吧？

And a change of scene, sometimes a change is as good as a rest, isn't it?

我觉得赵一龙还有很大的潜力没释放出来。

So I think Zhao Yilong's still got more to give.

还有，

And, of

当然，那个在威尔士公开赛赢了我的小伙子，今年赛季开局表现非常出色，张彬宇。

course, the lad who beat me in the Welsh Open, he's already had a great start to the season this year, Chang Bin Yu.

我的意思是

I mean

对啊。

Yeah.

我们之前聊过他一些。

We talked about him a bit.

我的意思是，如果有人记不清了，他在威尔士公开赛上以4比0赢了我。

I mean, for those that can't remember, he beat me in the Welsh Open four nil.

他那场打出了

He had

他完成了三次单杆清台，还有一杆一百多次的得分。

he had three total clearances and a 100 and something.

没错。

Yes.

那真是打得无比完美

Was the most perfect

我觉得，这可能是斯诺克历史上最出色的单场表现了。

snooker performance statistically we've ever seen, I think.

真有意思，肖恩，你刚才还说大家最近都接连打出不可思议的表现，结果却都输了。

It's so funny because you, Shaun, you were saying that everyone's playing keep losing these unbelievable performances.

然后他就来了，我当时就想——

And then that came, and I was like

是啊。

Yeah.

我们当时都在说，肖恩，加油啊。

We were we were like, come on, Shaun.

不是的。

No.

没人能一直对你保持这么高的水准。

Everyone can't keep playing well against you.

结果他一下子给了你四局。

And then he's hit you with four

靠旋转完成的。

on the spin.

这正好印证了你的观点。

That that made your point for you.

这确实很好地说明了你的看法，

That did make your point pretty well, to

说实话。

be frank.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我最讨厌自己是对的。

Do know I hate being right?

我真的最讨厌自己是对的。

I do hate being right.

是的。

Yeah.

我在这场比赛里确实打进了一颗球，就一颗。

I like to I potted one ball I potted one ball in that match.

而且打得特别漂亮。

And it was a bloody good one.

那球走位真准。

Was a good read.

至少你回家路上还能好好想想。

So at least you have to think about on the way home.

说真的，我走路回Airbnb花的时间，比打完整场比赛还长。

Mean, I us longer to walk back to the Airbnb than I played the match.

挺有意思的是，你说对了，赢了反而难受。我记得你当年在克鲁斯堡演讲时说过，伍尔泽迟早会拿个世锦赛冠军，我当时特别佩服你这份眼光。

It's funny, actually, as you say about the pain of being right, because I I like in difficult circumstances, I admired your line in your speech at the Crucible when you said you said years ago that Wool User was gonna be a, like, a world title win.

可惜今天偏偏就出了这档子事。

It's just a shame today was today.

是啊，那真够难受的。

Yeah, that was painful.

不过说实话，我们这个赛季早些时候打过一场。

But yeah, I mean, we played earlier in the season.

我记得在中国的一场比赛里，我以5比4险胜他。

I think I scraped over the line five four in an event in China against him.

那真是一场你来我往的激战。

Like, it was a real ding dong match.

我们俩不断打出高分杆，你追我赶。

We kept hitting each other with big breaks, one visits.

打完之后我就说，这小子迟早会拿世界冠军。

And I came off and said, he's gonna be world champion, that lad.

你经常听到人说年轻球员怎么样，

Know, you hear this all the time about, you know, younger players.

但并不是每次都能成真。

Doesn't happen all the time.

这种情况并不常见。

It doesn't happen often.

但就他和另外几个人来说，你就是能感觉到他们身上有种特别的东西。

But just with him and a couple of others, they just you feel like they've just got something extra.

他们有那种明星气质，你知道的，这种东西是教不出来的。

They've got that they've got that star quality, you know, that you just can't teach.

是的。

Yeah.

我们确实见过不少这样的情况，但我当时说对了。

We used we've seen it quite a lot, but it's just it's I was right.

但你又一次说对了。

But but you were you were right again.

你享受这场比赛吗？当然，你说你并不满意结果。

Did you enjoy and obviously, you said you didn't enjoy, obviously, the result.

但你享受这种比赛的氛围吗？

But did you enjoy that kind of match?

因为我特别喜欢看这场比赛，也喜欢参与其中，因为双方都打得特别拼。

Because I I loved watching it and working on it because it was just all out attack from the both years.

这是一场精彩的斯诺克比赛。

It was fantastic snooker.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这可能是近年来最棒的比赛之一，也是最精彩的决赛之一。

I think it was I think it was I think, you know, anyone could say it was probably one of the best matches, one of the best finals that there's been.

没错。

Oh, yeah.

从我个人的角度来说，我这边输了。

Just, you know, from my own selfish side, I came out the wrong side of it.

但我觉得今年整个锦标赛的氛围都非常热烈。

But the general I thought I thought there was a massive buzz around the whole championship this year.

你懂的。

You know?

我觉得今年整个场馆的氛围特别好。

I thought there was I thought there was a great mood around the whole place this year.

这显然得益于宣布克鲁西布剧院将一直承办世锦赛到2045年。

I think obviously led by the announcement of the world staying at the Crucible until 2045.

感觉每个人都在庆祝，特别开心。

It felt like everyone was in everyone was in party mood.

没错。

Definitely.

整个现场都洋溢着庆祝的气氛。

It was a celebratory atmosphere to it.

如果大家都知道这是克鲁西布的最后一两届比赛，情况肯定会大不一样。

It would have been very, very different if everyone else this is gonna be the last one or two at the Crucible.

但好在我们不用面对那种情况。

But we don't have to face

你知道吗，现场的气氛真的特别棒。

that You know, the the the atmosphere there was fantastic.

你知道吗，从第一轮开始我就得到了特别多的支持，别忘了，我本该在第一场比赛就输掉的。

You know, I had such great support right from the first round where let's not forget, I should have lost the first match.

严格来说，那场第一轮的比赛里，你那次击球可以说是整个赛事的转折点。

Arguably, was a break that was a break of the tournament for you, arguably, that in that first round.

比赛前，乔伊就跟我提过，甚至就在比赛前或比赛过程中，她有点犹豫地跟我说了点什么。

Well, Joe Joe had said to me just before the match, was even just before the match or during the match, you know, tentatively.

因为作为搭档，有时候真不知道该说什么、不该说什么。

Because for the partners, it's difficult to know what to say and what not to say.

我一般不会坐在那儿想什么‘如果输了会怎样’，但她却说，哎，要是真输了，咱们能不能偷偷去度个假，一两周也行？

And, you know, not really, I wouldn't sit there and talk about the what ifs and if, you know, what happens if I lose and all this, but she said, Oh, you know, if it does go wrong, can we sneak away on holiday for a week or two?

就是想暂时远离斯诺克。

You know, let's get away from the snooker.

结果我居然把局面救回来了，从惨败的边缘拉了回来，之后还好好在谢菲尔德待了两星期。

And somehow I managed to salvage it, salvaged it from the wreckage and then treated it to two weeks in Sheffield.

别说我从不带你出去玩啊。

Don't say I never take you anywhere.

真是个了不起的人。

What a guy.

没错。

Yeah.

一定

Must

对那位搭档来说，那种情况肯定百感交集。

be mixed feelings for the partner in that situation.

一年也就这两小时的事。

It's two hours of the year.

就是这么回事。

Stuff.

是啊。

Yeah.

决赛时我确实想过，你第一轮都快被淘汰了，而威尔·耶齐当时都准备去和马克·霍尔沃斯握手了。

Was, I did reflect during the final on the fact that you were almost dead and buried in the first round and Will Yeezy was literally preparing to shake the hand of Mark Hallworth.

你们俩其实都可能已经……

Like really both of you could have Oh,

你怎么可能忘得了？

how would you forget that?

你说你忘不了家人，

You say you can't forget the family.

你怎么可能忘得了？

How would you forget that?

是的。

Yeah.

我不想就这件事去采访他。

I don't want to interview him about that.

别想了。

Don't think.

我的意思是，那一定是因为，某种程度上，这甚至更残忍。

I mean, that must because that must be, well, in a way, even crueler.

不清楚。

Don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know.

很难比较。

It's hard to compare.

看来他现在在中国的名气比以往任何时候都大。

Apparently, he's more famous in China now than than he ever was.

看来他在中国无处不在。

Apparently, he's like everywhere he's everywhere in China.

海报、照片、视频，还有表情包，什么都有。

Posters, pictures, videos, like like, memes, everything.

就是因为那场比赛。

Because of that match.

就是因为那场比赛。

Because of that match.

这可能是他经历过的最好的事了。

Been the best thing best thing he's had.

确实挺好的。

It's been really good.

这不正说明了生活的道理吗？

Well, that tells you something about life, doesn't it?

当然。

Of course.

确实如此，对吧？

It's true, though, isn't it?

咱们先回过头说说斯诺克。

Just back to snooker for a second.

没错，是真的。

It is true.

什么球都可能打不进，对吧？

You can miss anything, can't you?

哦。

Oh.

这简直难以置信。

It's it's unbelievable.

这真的难以置信。

It's unbelievable.

在家看比赛的人总觉得斯诺克里有些球是肯定进得了的。

Well, people watching at home think there's balls that are unmissable on a snooker.

你可是职业斯诺克选手。

You're a professional snooker player.

那些简单的球本该稳稳拿下，但事实上，任何球都有可能失误。

You should pop easy, but you can literally miss anything.

一旦有点压力，或者球局关键，任何球都可能失手。

When there's a little bit of pressure and something on it, it, anything is missable.

你可以想象，全国各地的斯诺克俱乐部里，人们看着这一幕都会说：天啊，这都能 miss？

You can imagine in snooker clubs up and down the country, people in the canopy tubers are saying, oh, look at that.

我能打进去。

I can put that.

看看这个。

Look at that.

看看这个。

Look at that.

是啊。

Yeah.

这种事可不少，对吧？

There's a lot of that, isn't it?

就像现在世界杯，观众都在说，我要是踢右后卫肯定比他强。

It's like now with the World Cup, there's people watching going, well, I'd be better at right back then.

他怎么会...

How did

他怎么会没打进？

he miss that?

我敢说，足球运动员是怎么射偏的？

I can assure you How did footballers miss the target?

对。

Yeah.

点球。

The penalty.

足球运动员是怎么射偏的？

How did footballers miss the target?

他们每周付两百美元，连点球都踢不进。

They paid $200 a week, they can't even hit the target, the penalty.

你付钱啊，他在这儿，

Go, you pay me Here he

是啊，继续说，没错，这

is, go on, say Yeah, that

我觉得，像我们这种人，大概会想，

I think people probably those of us that don't Well,

我们得站好，把锅端稳。

us, must stand then pots.

偶尔吧，你确实会。

Well, very occasionally you

对。

do.

那先生还该做什么呢？

Mister must else?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

如果我们这些人

If those of us