Snooker Scene Podcast - Mark Allen and Snooker's Mental Toll

这个播客是体育社交播客网络的一部分。

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network.

你好。

Hello.

欢迎收听斯诺克现场播客。

Welcome to the Snooker Scene Podcast.

我是戴夫·亨顿。

I'm Dave Hendon.

我想录一期短节目，聊聊今天早些时候马克·艾伦在TNT体育采访中说的话。他说自己在考虑退役。

I just wanted to record a short episode giving a few thoughts on Mark Allen's interview earlier today on TNT Sports where he said that he was considering retiring from Snooker.

当然，他回到了北爱尔兰公开赛，那是他的主场赛事。

He returned to action at the Northern Ireland Open, of course, his home event.

在贝尔法斯特，他和自己最好的朋友、也是斯诺克界的对手乔丹·布朗交手。

In Belfast, he played his best friend in the sport, Jordan Brown.

乔丹以四比二击败了他。

Jordan beat him four two.

很明显，艾伦状态不在线。

Clearly, Allen wasn't at the races.

他缺乏锐气，这也是意料之中的，毕竟他已经六个月没有参加正式比赛了。

He lacked sharpness, which you would expect having, you know, not played competitively for for six months.

他其实说过，如果不是抽到乔丹，他可能都不会上场，因为他已经退出了赛季初的好几项赛事。

He actually said if he hadn't drawn Jordan, he probably wouldn't have played because he's withdrawn from various events in early season.

他在接受演播室里瑞秋·凯西采访时情绪非常激动。

And he was very emotional in the interview with Rachel Casey in the studio.

首先关于这个采访，我觉得她做得非常出色。

First thing to say actually about that, I thought she did a fantastic job.

她问的问题很到位，而且表现出同理心，没有去逼问，也没有刻意制造戏剧效果。

She asked the right questions, but she displayed empathy and didn't sort of push things and didn't at no point was trying to sort of make great telly.

她完全是考虑马克的感受，这一点真的值得称赞。

It was all about actually thinking about Mark and and and full credit to her for that.

同样，他也值得称赞，输了比赛还进来接受采访，这肯定不容易，尤其是结果不如他所愿。

Full credit to him also for coming in and speaking, you know, which must have been difficult, particularly, of course, having lost the match and it wasn't quite what he was hoping for.

但他说过去几个月他一直很煎熬。

But he said that he's been struggling for the last few months.

他没有透露场外发生了什么，这也不关我们的事，对吧？

He didn't provide details about what's been going on off the table, and it's none of our business, is it?

但很明显，他最近的日子不太好过。

But clearly, things have have not been good for him.

他回来了，也上场打了比赛。

And he came back and he played.

他没赢。

He didn't win.

他说他第一次打职业赛是在2005年的水滨大厅。

And he said that he played his first professional match at the Waterfront Hall back in 2005.

当时他是……

He was...

北爱尔兰的老奖杯赛，他作为北爱尔兰的新职业选手以外卡身份受邀参赛。

The old Northern Ireland trophy, he was invited in as a wildcard as a new professional from Northern Ireland.

他说，也许在那里结束是个好地方。

And he said, maybe that's the place to end it.

当然，这还不是最终决定。

Now, of course, that's not definitive.

这是今天他说的。

That's what he said today.

他当然有权改变主意，而且他现在有一些时间，因为他的下一场比赛是英国锦标赛。

He's entitled, of course, to change his mind, and he'll have a bit of time now because his next tournament is scheduled to be the UK championship.

所以，那显然是在11月底。

So, obviously, that's end November.

大概还有六周，五六周吧。

It's about six weeks from now, five or six weeks.

所以他有时间考虑一下。

So he's got time to to consider things.

但我想说几点看法。

But I wanted to give a few thoughts.

那场采访看得很让人难受。

I mean, it was it was a difficult interview to watch.

他明显非常难过。

He was clearly very upset.

谁也不愿意看到那种场面，不管是对哪个球员，还是对任何人，都一样的。

You you don't like to see that with anybody, any player or or or anybody, full stop.

斯诺克是一项运动。

Snooker is a sport.

同时，它就像一个大家庭。

It's also kind of a family.

大家彼此都认识。

People know one another.

我们都清楚，在家庭里，有时候会和别人闹矛盾、吵架。

And we all know know with families, you know, you can fall out with people and argue with people.

但当你自己的家人遇到困难时，你必须站出来支持他，这项运动也会这样做。

But when one of your own is suffering, you have to be there for them, and the sport will be.

WPB说我知道，夏天的时候我已经和马克联系过了。

The WPB said I know I've already been in contact with Mark during the summer.

那里有…

There is...

那里有一些资源供他调用。

There are resources there that he can call on.

他们和心理健康专家合作。

They work with mental health specialists.

所以有一些人可以在聚光灯之外提供帮助。

So there are people who can help away from the spotlight.

但我确实认为，斯诺克界对这项运动给球员带来的心理压力仍然有些否认。

But I do think Snooker still is slightly in denial about the mental toll that the sport can take on players.

我们非常在意比赛结果。

We we obsess about results.

当然，马克显然在世锦赛半决赛中错过了那个黑球。

And, of course, you know, Mark obviously had that miss black in the in the world championship semifinal.

其实挺明显的，这场比赛里他确实打丢了几颗类似的球，同样的黑球，左侧底袋，但可能主要是因为整体状态生疏，而不是别的什么。

It was noticeable, actually, he did miss a couple of quite similar pops, same ball, the black to left corner in this match, but maybe that was more down just to to general rustiness than anything.

我们总在谈论成绩和表现，但这些球员也都有自己的生活。

But we talk about results and we talk about performances, but all these players have lives as well.

乔丹·布朗当时提到过……

I mean, Jordan Brown was talking about...

他家里有亲人去世了。

He'd had a family bereavement.

其他球员也有类似的情况。

That's true of other players.

大家都有各自的事情在忙，这在他们本来就要承受的压力上又添了一层，毕竟他们是在一项非常公开的运动中拼搏。

People have things going on that can add to the pressure they're already under trying to perform in a very public sport.

这项运动当然是在电视上播出的。

It's a sport, of course, it's on television.

也是在观众面前进行的。

It's played in front of spectators.

在我们每个人的职业生涯和工作中，我们都犯过错误，但这些错误通常不会公开。

You know, in all of our in all of our professions and and jobs, we've made mistakes, but they're usually not public.

通常不会放到YouTube上让人看。

They're usually not available to watch on YouTube.

所以无论...

And so whatever...

关于那个黑球不进，不管那对他心情有多大影响，显然，那始终隐隐约约地存在着。

With regards to Miss In The Black, whatever part that's played in how he's been feeling, obviously, that is always kind of there in the background.

也许这加剧了他台面之外已经发生的事情。

And it may be that that has exacerbated what what is already happening off table.

我不想猜测，因为我不...

I don't wanna speculate because I I don't...

我不知道那些问题是什么，而且它们是私人的。

I'm not aware of what those issues are, and they are private.

显然，他的生活中有些事情需要他去处理。

And there are things, obviously, that that are in his life that he is looking to deal with.

但当你听到他说“我只是想活下去”时，从一个斯诺克选手嘴里听到这种话，真是挺刺心的。

But when you hear him say, I'm just trying to survive, you know, that's quite a stark thing to hear from a a snooker player.

说到底，这只是个游戏，是娱乐，我们都喜欢它。

You know, ultimately, it is only a game, and it's an entertainment, and we all enjoy it.

但也许我们需要更多地考虑一下涉及其中的那些人。

But we need to think maybe a bit more about the human beings involved.

播客上、社交媒体上、电视上，还有专家们和其他人，对球员们说了很多话。

There's a lot of things said, you know, on podcasts, in social media, on television, from pundits, from others as well about the players.

这些都是体育的一部分，但说到底，是活生生的人在打这些比赛。

And and that's all part of sport, but ultimately, there are human beings who are playing these sports.

我觉得斯诺克特别是一项需要独处的运动，因为你必须全神贯注。

And snooker is, I think, specifically a sport because you kinda have to be in your own head to play it.

你得深入自己的内心，动用精神储备，这一定会消耗很大。

You have to go deep into your own kinda mental reserves, and it must take a toll.

我们已经在其他球员身上看到过这种情况了。

We've seen it with players.

我们已经在罗尼·奥沙利文的整个职业生涯中看到了这一点。

We've seen it with Ronnie O'Sullivan throughout his career.

最近，我们也看到了马克·塞尔比，他一直在和心理医生合作处理自己的问题。

More recently, we've seen it with Mark Selby, you know, who's who's been, you know, working with a doctor on his problems.

还有其他一些人也这样。

And there's others as well.

还有一些我们可能不知道的。

There's others we maybe don't know about.

我可以肯定地说，还有其他人也经历过这些问题，但他们只是像以前那样把这些情绪压下去，试图挺过去，而实际上，也许主动寻求帮助会更好。

And I can guarantee there are others who've suffered from these problems and have just kind of done the old thing of sort of pushing them down and trying to get past it, whereas actually maybe reaching out know, would have been a better outcome.

我的意思是，多年前有一位球员，不是很有名的那种，他叫罗杰·加里蒂。

I mean, years ago, there was a player, not a well known one, but there was a player called Roger Garrity.

他当时在参加一个天空台排名赛。

He was playing in one of the sky ranking events.

我记得那是国际公开赛。

I think it was the International Open.

他本来该比赛的，比如说，周二下午。

And he was due to play, let's say, it was Tuesday afternoon.

他没出现。

Didn't show up.

就是没来比赛。

Just didn't show up for the match.

他就直接走出了场馆。

And he just walked out the venue.

他被比赛的压力压垮了，只想逃离现场。

You know, he he just was overwhelmed by the pressure of having to perform and just had to get away.

当然，那时候还没有手机，找他不太容易。

And, of course, this was sort of pre mobile phones, and it wasn't so easy to to track him down.

天空体育甚至发了寻人启事。

Actually sky at you to put out a kind of appeal.

还好，他后来还是出现了。

Thankfully, he did turn up.

但这并不是什么新鲜事。

But this is nothing new.

压力一直都在，而且我觉得在社交媒体时代，压力变得更加明显了，因为人们似乎随时随地都能找到你。

You know, the pressures are there, and I and I do feel in the social media age, they have become more pronounced because people can sort of get a piece of you, it seems, four seven.

有时候真的很难找到每个人都需要的那种内心的平静，无论他们在做什么，无论是在电视上打斯诺克还是做其他任何工作，担任什么社会角色。

It's quite hard sometimes maybe to find that inner peace that everybody needs whatever they're doing, whether they're playing snooker on television or whatever job, whatever role they're playing in society.

每个人都需要一点个人时间。

You know, everybody needs a bit of personal time.

也许现在马克会这么做，但有一个可能实用的解决方案或许能帮上忙。

And it may be now that Mark will take that, but there is potentially a practical solution that that could help.

在极端情况下，可以选择冻结球员的排名，这样他们就可以休息一段时间，回来时排名不受影响。

There is, in extreme circumstances, the option to freeze a player's ranking so that they can take time out and then come back and their ranking has not been affected.

这种做法之前也用于有身体疾病或受伤的球员，也许我们也应该以同样的方式对待心理健康问题。

Now that's happened before for players with physical conditions and injuries, and maybe we need to look at mental health in the same way.

我只是把这个作为一个可能的选项提出来，他可以长期缺席比赛，但不用担心自己的排名。

Now this is just I'm just putting this out there as is potential option whereby he could take a prolonged absence, but not have to worry about his ranking.

当然，这会影响其他选手。

Of course, that will impact other players.

这个我明白。

I understand that.

所以这个决定不是轻易能做的。

So it's a decision that would be taken lightly.

但我觉得，任何看过那次采访的人——当然，网上都能看到——都会看到一个在过去二十年里对斯诺克贡献巨大的人。

But I think anyone who heard the interview, and it's, of course, available to watch online, will see someone who's played a big part in Snooker for the last twenty years.

他过去二十年一直是顶尖选手之一。

He's been one of the top players for the last two decades.

他赢过很多比赛。

He's won a lot of tournaments.

他给很多人带来了欢乐。

He's entertained a lot of people.

他也为这项运动登上头条出了一份力。

He's played his part as well, getting the game in the headlines.

他说了不少话，也都是节目的一部分。

He's kinda said various things, and it's all part of the show.

我们看到的是一个做过这一切的人，现在明显在挣扎，我觉得任何看到这一幕的人都会觉得……

We've seen someone who has done all of that and is clearly struggling, and and I think anyone watching it would feel...

如果他们能帮到他，一定会帮的。

If they could help him, they would.

所以，帮助他的方式也许是说，如果你想休息一段时间，我们会冻结你的排名。

So maybe the way of helping him is to say, if you wanna take time off, we'll freeze your ranking.

等你回来的时候，不会吃亏。

When you come back, you know, you won't have suffered.

不会让你从资格赛重新开始。

It's not like you'll be going back to the qualifiers.

那是……

It was...

当然，乔丹之后还得进演播室，而且又表现得很好。

And Jordan, of course, had to go in the studio afterwards and and and again spoke well.

他们是很好的朋友。

You know, they're great friends.

他不会喜欢那场比赛周围发生的事。

He wouldn't have enjoyed what was going on around that match.

但因为他自己在世界排名方面有问题，最终还关乎生计问题，在排名表的那一端当然会很艰难。

But because he's got his own issues in terms of the world rankings and and, you know, ultimately about putting food on the table, it can be tough, of course, down that area of the ranking list.

所以那是……

So it was...

就像我说的，我们之前在想会发生什么，结果我们看到的是马克·艾伦的失利。

As I say, we were wondering what was gonna happen, and what we got was defeat for Mark Allen.

但之后的采访，我觉得，正如我所说，确实表明在这项运动中——我相信很多运动也是如此——但作为一项如此孤独的个人运动，它对心理的压力是非常大的。

But then the interview, which I think, as I say, does point to the fact that in this sport, and it's true, I'm sure, in a lot of sports, but an individual sport that is so solitary can be very mentally taxing.

我觉得有时候我们可能都有这个毛病，我也把自己算在内，就是忽略了这一点。

And I think sometimes maybe we're all guilty, and I put myself in this category as well of overlooking that.

我们只会看，哦，他状态不好，或者他需要一场胜利什么的，而不总是去想这对一个人来说付出了多大的代价。

You know, we look at, oh, he's he's out of form or he needs a win or or whatever, and we don't always think about actually the toll that he's taken on the human being.

就像我说的，有可以帮助的资源，我希望马克能花点时间照顾好自己。

As I say, there is help available, and I hope that Mark takes some time to look after himself.

我也希望他能回来，重新打球。

And I hope he does come back and and plays again.

但当然，这取决于他自己，他会花时间思考一下，努力调整好自己。

But that's up to him, of course, and he will take the time to think about things and just try and get himself right.

希望我们能在英国锦标赛上看到他，我相信他到时候会得到很多支持，因为还有一点，他自己也提到了。

And, hopefully, we will see him at the UK championship, where I'm sure he'll get a lot of support because that's the other thing, and he referenced this himself.

有球员联系过他。

Players have contacted him.

体育界的人都祝他一切顺利，为什么不呢？

People in the sport have wished him well, and why wouldn't you?

这是基本的同理心，信不信由你，这种同理心还是存在的。

You know, it's basic empathy, which had, believe it or not, does still exist.

就像我说的，这……

And, you know, as I say, it it...

这不是我们随便说一句‘哦，这就是个一次性事件’就能过去的。

It's something that we can't just sort of say, oh, this is a a one off event.

你明白吗？

You know?

比如谁心情有点低落。

Someone's a bit down.

不是那种情况。

It's not that.

这比那严重多了，我觉得很多球员看那段采访的时候都会感同身受。

It's more serious than that, and it's something that I think a lot of players actually watching the interview would recognize.

这行当不容易。

You know, it's tough out there.

他们被期望为我们拼尽全力，这种压力是积累的，今天我们也都看到了。

They're they're expected to perform for us, and it takes its toll, and we've seen that today.

所以我就想把这些想法记下来。

So I just wanted to record those thoughts.

就像我说的，其实有可能冻结他的排名。

As I said, there there is potentially the option to freeze his ranking.

如果他想要长期缺席，排名位置也不会受到影响，这可能是个解决办法。

If he wants to take a prolonged absence, it won't cost him in terms of his ranking position, and that may be a solution.

这个决定不会轻易做出，但可以考虑。

Not one that will be taken lightly, but that could be on the table.

我们拭目以待。

We will see.

比赛还在继续，我们往前看。

The tournament continues, and we look forward.

这是一项非常有意思的赛事。

It's a it's a very interesting event.

前十六名的选手里只有三位进入了三十二强。

You know, the only three top 16 players made it through to the last 32.

我们看看这周接下来的情况如何。

We'll see how the week pans out.

不过还是要谢谢你听我说这些，我们下周再见。

But thank you anyway for for listening to to that, and we'll be back next week.