Snooker Scene Podcast - Summer Special With Talking Snooker

说这是个绝佳的时光倒流体验，都还嫌说得不够到位。

And, I mean, to say it's a it's a wonderful time warp wouldn't be doing it justice.

上面还有基思·哈里斯呢。

I mean, Keith Harris is on there.

什么？

What?

年轻时候的基思·哈里斯。

Young young Keith Harris.

他也是当年青少年的偶像。

Then he's another one for teenagers.

罗伊·哈特，那位已故的传奇人物罗伊·哈特。

Roy Hart, the great the late great Roy Hart.

那时候就是这样。

And, it was.

他们就演半小时到四十分钟的码头秀，对吧，戴夫？

They just do half an hour, forty minutes of of end of the pier entertainment, wouldn't they, Dave?

就是唱歌，偶尔来点马戏表演，还有罗伊讲点笑话之类的。

You know, just singing, bit of circus acts sometimes, jokes from Roy and the like.

我们呢，算是这种表演里最廉价的版本了，简直低到家了。

And, yeah, we're we're quite a low rent version of that, I think you'd say, very low.

那确实够廉价的。

Well that was pretty low rent

本来就很寒酸了，不过先不说这个，你提到了基思·哈里斯，咱们待会儿再聊斯诺克的关键问题。

to start with, but anyway, you mentioned Keith Harris and we'll get back to the you know the key issues in snooker in a minute.

不过有个事儿，我觉得他现在应该已经去世了，这样也好，他没法因为我要讲的故事去告我。

But there's a story, I think he's passed away now, which helps because he can't sue for the story I'm about to tell.

我们说到黑球台，那会儿应该正是打斯诺克的时候，我觉得他可能就是那个击球的人，算起来大概十年前吧。

But we talk about Blackball and it must have been during the snooker, I think he might have been the shooter actually, so it would have been you know a decade ago or so.

据说他们打完当天的比赛后，跑去当地一家夜店，基思·哈里斯——或者至少有个人长得特别像他——一个人在舞池里晃悠，看起来特别沮丧。

But apparently some of them went out after you know the day of the shoot out to some local nightclub and Keith Harris he claimed or certainly somebody looked like Keith Harris was on the dance floor just on his own, just sort of shuffling around looking quite sort of downbeat.

连个伴都没有，就他自个儿一个人。

Didn't even have all of them, he was just on his own.

所以我不太清楚这到底是怎么回事，大概是因为他的演艺时代已经过去了，毕竟尼克在节目里提到的那些人，没过多久就过气了，对吧？

So I don't know where that gets it's sort of maybe you know because I suppose his era of showbiz had come to an end you know because that era that the people Nick's described on that program very soon after that were kind of they were out of fashion, weren't they?

你知道的。

You know?

而且他们后来只能在真人秀里拼命找存在感，想重新翻身。

And you know, they were grubbing around on sort of reality TV trying to reinvent themselves.

是啊。

Oh, yeah.

他们说这简直是个警示故事，对吧？

I mean, they said it's a cautionary tale, isn't it?

昨天还在《沃根》节目里风光无限，明天就一个人在黑池的夜总会里独自跳舞。

One day you're on wogan, the next you're shuffling around a black pool nightclub on your own on the dance floor.

这种事谁都有可能遇上。

Could happen to anyone.

如果观众是冲着上海大师赛的前瞻内容来的，那可真不是他们期待的内容，不过这期是夏季特辑。

It's not if people have tuned in for sort of a preview of the Shanghai Masters, it's not quite what they're getting, but this is a summer special.

我的意思是，咱们得放松一点。

I mean, idea is to sort of loosen up a little bit.

我从来没见过鲍勃·卡罗尔杰斯没带着那只狗。

I've never saw Bob Caroljes without spit the dog.

每次我见到卡罗尔杰斯，他身边都带着那只狗。

Every time I've seen Caroljes, he's had spit with him.

对。

Yeah.

我实在想不起那些人里头，认真说，罗杰·德科西里。

I I can't so most of those guys, seriously, Roger DeCorsi.

罗杰·德科西里身边带的是谁？

Who did Roger DeCorsi have with him?

这人也得算上。

That's another one for the team.

当然还有露琪露琪熊。

Lookey Lookey Bear, of course.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，抱歉。

I mean, sorry.

我们得稍微往前推进一下，这个会的，不过确实如此。

We we have to sort of move on a little bit for this, and we will, but yeah.

罗杰·德科西和努基熊，天哪。

Roger DeCorsi and Nookie Bear, my goodness.

那确实是回溯到很久以前了。

That's, yeah, that's definitely going back.

不过这个故事真不错，戴夫，你总是能把故事讲得特别有感情。

But that's a lovely story there, Dave, and you you have a habit of telling your stories romantically.

顺便提一句，当然要给《Radio Snooker》打个广告。

I mean, you know, just a little plug for Radio Snooker, of course.

我想这可能是第一次在音频节目中提到吧。

You I I I think it may be the first time on the air on an audio sense.

你透露了你的第一句话。

You revealed your first line.

我很快就会多聊一聊这个。

I'll talk to about it quite a bit soon.

我记不清原话了，但对丹尼斯·泰勒来说，那是在黑白世界里看到的一抹色彩。

I don't I don't know the exact words, but for Dennis Taylor, it was a glimpse of color in a black and white world.

我知道这话没错，不过确实有点儿那样。

I know that's the exact, but some yeah.

那种感觉。

That that kind

了。

of thing.

前几天我请了赛车记者戴夫·叶茨来做客。

Because I had Dave Yates, a racing journalist on on there the other day.

他比我们年纪大一些。

Was talking he's a little bit older than us.

所以他聊到了斯诺克俱乐部。

So he was talking about, you know, snooker clubs.

我当时就说，咱们得摆脱那种刻板印象，而且很大程度上我们也确实做到了。

And I was saying, you know, we want to move on from that that reputation, and and we deservedly have to a large extent.

现在那些地方好多了。

They are nicer places now.

有些地方还是有点小问题，还能再改进一下。

They're they're you know, some of them are still a little bit could could improve actually.

不过现在确实不一样了，比如我们常去的国王十字那家，还有图廷那家。

But they're now I mean, I've got the one in Kings Cross, where we go to the one in Tooting.

都是挺棒的地方。

Lovely places.

你知道的。

You know?

很友好，比如我们在曼彻斯特去的那家，还有好多类似的。

Welcoming, you know, one in Manchester we went to, loads of them.

但别假装过去那些日子有多美好，虽说不是人人都坏，可也绝对不是什么正派人常去的地方，对吧？

But there's no use pretending that back in the day, I mean, not everyone's a dead of inequity, but at the same same token, they weren't places where people of great virtue would would would fill the place either, were they really?

你说得对。

They and you're right.

很多事都是道听途说，谁谁干了什么，不过对年轻人来说，尤其是那些还比较单纯的人，那种地方确实挺刺激的。

A lot of it was sort of tailed, you know, what what so and so might have done, but and of course, for youngsters, you know, it it was thrilling, especially if you, you know, a bit more of the innocent side of life.

你去那种地方，总觉得有点儿冒险的味道。

You're in these places where it was a bit of a sort of thrill.

几十年前的事了，我说过，时代早就变了，但那些地方确实挺特别的，我也喜欢你提到的那些颜色——很多人回忆起来都会说起色彩。

This is decades ago, as I say times have moved on, but but yeah, they were funny places and, you know, I loved I loved your color thing there because a lot of people talk about the colors, especially going back.

那时候世界没这么鲜艳，烟雾缭绕，当然我不是在浪漫化，但那些地方确实让人过目难忘。

It was a less colorful world then, you know and the smoke and you know again without getting too romantic, but they were sort of places that you couldn't easily forget going into,

我觉得你说得对，确实有种潜规则，很多人在书里提到，尤其是老一辈玩家，只要你想找点什么，十分钟内准有人能给你弄来。

think yeah, I think like you say, there was a sort of suggestion that it was a little bit kind of put it this way a lot of people again for the book said the clubs they went in particularly older players if you ever basically if you ever wanted anything that was knocked off someone could get it for you within about ten minutes you know.

总会有那么个能人，能搞到收音机或者唱片机之类的东西。

There's always a character like that who could get a stereo or whatever record player.

但话说回来，那时候也没人拿它来做真正恶劣的事。

But then again it wasn't like it was being used for sort of serious terrible things.

就是有点儿灰色地带的味道。

It was just a slight undercurrent of dodginess.

不过我觉得，像你说的，如果你从小在特别规矩的环境长大，这种地方反而挺吸引人的。

But I think like you say, if you sort of come from a very kind of maybe straight laced background, that's kind of quite exciting.

而且确实，现在回想起来可能有点儿被美化了。

And yeah, it's maybe romanticized too much.

我们现在的问题是，这种地方根本没剩几个了。

The problem we've got now of course, if we just don't have enough of them.

每天都能看到本地报纸说，哪家俱乐部又要改造成公寓或者办公室了。

Every day you've seen some local paper that a club's been going to be turned into flats or something or offices.

这个事儿，我真不知道该怎么解决。

And that's something that I don't know what the answer to that is.

我不确定是不是该告别台球俱乐部的时代了，不如把台球融入其他休闲场所，让它变成一种更普遍的活动，而不是单独存在，谁知道呢。

I don't know whether it's time to sort of move on from the snooker club era and try and incorporate snooker into other leisure facilities so that you know it's more of a sort of general thing and snookers one of the things you do, don't know.

但这确实是个问题，你知道吗，参加冠军联赛决赛的乔·奥康纳，是目前世界前64名里仅有的三位30岁以下英国选手之一。

But it's a concern because you know Joe O'Connor who's in the Championship League final, he's one of only three British players under 30 in the top 64.

另外两位是杰克逊·佩奇和斯坦·穆迪，就这三个人在前64名里。

There's only two others, there's Jackson Page and Stan Moody in the top 64.

二十年前可不是这样，那时候前16名里就有七个英国年轻选手。

Now they used to be twenty years ago there were seven in the top 16.

所以很明显，现在出了状况。

So there is clearly an issue.

不过我们还是能看到一些非常出色的年轻选手，比如利亚姆·戴维斯，还有迪伦·埃默里，我觉得他实力很强。

There are still some really good young players we saw them, Liam Davis, Dylan Emery I think is a really good player.

希望他们将来能有很成功的职业生涯。

And hopefully they will have really successful careers.

但现在年轻选手的涌现，已经从洪流变成了细水长流。

But it's become more of a sort of trickle than a rush of young players.

我们总在说‘92届那一批人。'

We talk about that class of '92.

那时候有才华的球员可不止他们几个。

They weren't the only players who were talented in those days.

当然，并不是所有人都成功了。

Not all of them made it obviously.

还有我跟你说过的洪德斯坦那家台球俱乐部，现在早就没了。

So the snooker club and that story I told about Hundestanton, you know, that club isn't there now.

要是我现在还年轻，再去那儿度假，仨小时都没地儿打台球，只能干别的了。

You know, if if I if if I was that age now and we went on holiday there, we'd have to do something else for three hours because that club wouldn't be there.

是啊。

Yeah.

我以前说过好多次了，我就住在谢菲尔德。

I've I've said it a lot of times, I think, but, I mean, I live in Sheffield.

这儿可是台球的发源地，可现在能去的俱乐部少得可怜。

I'd like the home of snooker, but there's very few clubs to go to.

有训练中心没错，但那地方根本就不是给普通人玩的。

There's the academies, obviously, but that's just all fish, really.

是的。

Yeah.

基本上就一两家像样的台球馆，然后每小时要收十英镑。

There's basically just one good club, maybe two, and then it's £10 an hour.

孩子们怎么参与进来、怎么提高呢？练到能打好的程度，一天就得花六十英镑，这怎么受得了。

And, like, how do kids, like, get involved and get better when they're it's gonna cost them £60 a day to do the amount of practice that you need to become good.

真的很难想象。

It's very hard to see.

你去问问现在那些年轻选手，你会发现，全家都得为了让孩子练好斯诺克，彻底改变生活方式。

And you speak to some of the young players now, and it's like the whole family has to sort of change their life to focus on getting them good at snooker.

当然，要是真能打到顶尖水平，回报是有的，但这牺牲太大了——不只是选手本人，连父母、兄弟姐妹，全家人的生活都得围着这孩子转，赌上一切，只为了让他成为顶尖的斯诺克选手。

So, you know, it can pay off if you get to the top, but it's a huge sacrifice from not just them, which you would expect to be a top professional sports person, but, you know, their parents, their brothers and sisters, just everything about their lives needs to be focused on, you know, them gambling up being being a top snooker player.

所以这确实不容易。

So it is tough.

中国那边情况不一样，政府有支持，经济压力小一些，以后肯定会有越来越多的中国选手冒出来。

Certainly, well, you know, the situation in China, whether it's government funded and they can do it a bit with less sort of strain on that side of things, is gonna, you know, it's gonna see more and more Chinese players come through.

但说实话，我不知道该怎么解决，这问题真不简单。

But, yeah, I don't know how to fix it, but not an easy one.

这正是关键所在。

Well, this is the question.

我觉得克鲁西布剧院的问题，到年底应该就能有定论了，看它到底能不能留在那里举办世锦赛。

I think that the crucible, obviously, that is gonna be kind of resolved, that issue about whether it'll stay there or not world championship by the end of the year.

一直有人提到，世锦赛能不能获得政府资助。

And one thing that keeps coming up is the idea of government funding around the world championship.

但这笔钱能不能不只是用来保住世锦赛在英国举办，还能真正惠及整个运动的发展？

But can that more widely filter down into the sport, not just about helping to keep the world championship in Britain, but the sort of the legacy of that.

这笔资金能不能用来推动一些实质性的改变？

Can that money be used to get something going?

要是真能这样，那就太好了。

It'd be nice to think it could.

说真的，斯诺克从来就没拿过什么政府资助。

I mean snookers never gets any funding.

它不是奥运会项目。

It's not an Olympic sport.

它在这一点上也不算潮流运动。

It's not a fashionable sport in that way.

但也许这正是个机会，巴里老提起这事，说明大家确实在讨论。

But maybe this is an opportunity and Barry keeps mentioning it which tells you it must be being discussed.

这或许是个契机，能争取到一些资金，真正帮助那些有潜力的年轻选手。

Maybe this is an opportunity to get some funding that actually will then can help these young players who show promise.

是的，肯定。

Yeah, for sure.

对了，提前剧透一下，待会儿我们会做一些大胆的预测。

Yeah, and just to preview, we have got a few rash predictions later.

我这边有那么几个，不确定你们有多少，其中一个就跟克鲁西布有关。

Well a couple in my case, I don't know how many you guys have got, and one of mine links to the crucible.

就这些，提前透露一下，我有一个预测跟克鲁西布有关。

That's all, bit of a preview for later, one of mine links to the crucible.

戴夫，我特别喜欢那些早期的回忆。

Dave, I I I love those early memories.

我14岁那年确实跟家人去西班牙度假过，但像你一样，其他时候都是在国内度过的。

I did actually go on a family holiday once to Spain when I was 14, but like you, otherwise, it would have been domestic.

我特别记得Buttlin's这个地方。

And I really remember Buttlin's.

我超爱那个台球室，还有那儿的一切。

I loved the snooker sort of room and all there.

一想到这些，我就马上能想起来。

That that always comes to mind.

不过说到我的记忆，小时候更印象深的其实是台球桌。

But actually, of my memories, I was thinking going back when I was younger, would have been pool table.

我小时候总在各种度假村或者房车公园里围着台球桌转。

I was always around the pool table at various sort of holiday centers or, you know, caravan parks.

那时候最吸引我的就是台球桌了。

That would that would have been the thing.

不过我还想提两件事，虽然说你主动去打斯诺克，可能跟那种记忆不太一样。

And but also, I did wanna remember that a couple of things, and I'm not sure it quite counts in the same way when you sort of make snooker happen.

我觉得在我们做播客的这些年里，菲尔，我把打斯诺克当成了我的旅行副业。

I think in our podcast years, Phil, I've sort of ramped up a sort of snook called my travel sideline.

你还记得我去过冰岛首都雷克雅未克的一家俱乐部吗？

Do you remember I went to a club in in Reykjavik in the capital of Iceland?

我跟艾伦·特里格聊过，你其实可以在我的SoundCloud账号上听到那段录音。

I spoke to Alan Trigg, which you can hear on my SoundCloud account, actually.

我喜欢这个，因为有个特别小众的细节——克里斯蒂安·赫尔伯森，你还记得吗，戴夫，他曾经在克鲁西布打过比赛。

But I liked it because, like, one very niche thing, Christian Helberson, or you remember Dave, once played at the Crucible.

我到那家俱乐部的时候，刚好错过了他。

I I I I just missed him in the club I went to.

有人跟我说：‘你刚错过他了。’

Someone said, oh, you've you've just missed him.

他不久前还在这儿吃披萨呢。

He was here a while ago having a pizza.

我觉得算了。

I thought, no.

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

这真是个特别冷门的话题。

That's a very niche topic.

就是差一点在店里碰上刚来吃披萨的人。

Just missing people who were just on the premises having a pizza.

太棒了。

Very good.

太棒了。

Very good.

还有偶遇斯诺克圈里的人。

And also bumping into snooker people.

几年前，不是选手，而是我们一个朋友，也是这项运动特别棒的解说员，其实也是我在斯诺克圈里最好的朋友之一，叫加里·莫斯。

Now a few years ago, not a player, but a friend of ours and a great voice of the game, one of my best friends actually in snooker, really, Gary Moss.

在梅诺卡岛，我听到一个叫尼克的人，名字也叫尼克，特别有意思。

In Menorca, I heard a Nick, Nick, and it was great.

我不会跟你绕弯子。

I I'm not gonna beat you on the bush.

你知道的，我们出门旅行，不就是为了逃离日常吗？

You know, we go away to get away from home, don't we?

所以有时候还真有点让人措手不及。

So it can sometimes be a bit disconcerting.

我这一生遇到过好几次，一抬头，天啊，居然碰上老家的人。

It's happened a few times in my life, and you're like, oh my god, someone from home.

这种事真的特别让我意外。

That that really throws that really throws me.

但加里，咱们都知道，是个特别棒的人，而且那会儿距离罗尼赢得第七个冠军才过了几周。

But Gary, as as we know, such a great bloke, and it was actually only a few weeks after Ronnie won his seventh.

所以在梅诺卡的阳光下，这种偶遇显得格外自然，特别美好。

So it's just a great thing to sort of natural way about that in the sunshine in Menorca.

所以不知道你们有没有在度假时真的偶遇过斯诺克选手，不过我觉得这次偶遇还挺特别的。

So I don't know if you guys have ever actually bumped into an actual snooker person on holiday, but I thought that was a a nice little niche one.

我想我度假时还没遇到过呢。

Don't don't think I have on holiday to rack him up.

我也觉得没有，Dave。

I don't think so, Dave.

确实没有。

No.

谢天谢地，没有。

Mercifully not.

没有。

No.

没有。

No.

不是那个。

Not that.

不过你刚才提到了克里斯蒂安·赫尔格森，冰岛在斯诺克方面确实挺有意思的，他们之前在雷克雅未克办过一场联赛。

But you mentioned Christian Helgeson there, and Iceland is quite an interesting snooker background, but they did have a a old match in league match in Reykjavik.

我觉得尼尔·福兹当时在那儿跟史蒂夫·戴维斯打过球。

I think Neil Folds played there against Steve Davis.

我想应该是这样。

Think I that's right.

还有个冰岛选手，我现在想不起他名字了，他在出名之前，是辣妹组合成员梅尔·B的男朋友。

There was a, I can't remember his name now, but there was an Icelandic player who before she became famous was the boyfriend of Mel B from the Spice Girls.

确实是这样。

That's true.

哦，对。

Oh yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我记不起他名字了。

I can't remember his name.

我最近不知怎么的，正好读到过这件事。

I read about that recently for some reason.

八成是我在维基百科上刷着刷着就陷进去了。

I was on Wikipedia rabbit hole most likely.

还有个叫布林·马尔·瓦尔德马尔森的，他装着一条木制假腿。

There was another one, Bryn Mawr Valdemarson, he had a wooden leg.

打球肯定特别困难，但他1991年在世界大师赛上赢了约翰·斯宾塞，那可是个大型国际赛事，他是被特邀参赛的。

Know it was very challenging obviously to play, but he beat John Spencer in the World Masters in 1991, you know because that was a big international event, he was invited in.

还有克里斯蒂安·埃德森，他打进过克鲁西布剧院的正赛，真是个神秘莫测的人。

And of course Christian Elderson, he qualified for the crucible, his most enigmatic man.

我们采访过他，我记得，他英语说得极少，根本不是不会，就是压根不想多说。

We interviewed him, I remember it, and that would say very little he could speak English but just didn't really want to say anything.

菲尔·叶茨又出现在这个故事里了。

And Phil Yates is involved in this story again.

所以BBC在他上场前，就听说他性格特别古怪。

So the BBC before he played, they got wind that he was sort of enigmatic.

如果你看过电影《总统班底》，里面有个叫‘深喉’的角色，他是提供机密信息的线人，总在停车场接头，对吧？

So if you've seen the film All the President's Men, okay, there's a character in that called Deepthroat and he's the sort of the source, he's giving confidential information in a car park, right.

于是他们就想模仿这个桥段，让菲尔穿上帽子和大衣，跑到谢菲尔德的一个停车场去拍这段。

So they decided to sort of spoof that, so they had Phil dressed in a sort of hat and a coat and they went to this car park in Sheffield to film it.

原本的设想是，你从侧面看过去，他会悄悄告诉你一些关于克里斯蒂安·埃利森森的内幕消息。

The idea was he was gonna, you're gonna side look to him, he's gonna give you information about Christian Elvison, right?

没人知道这回事，但菲尔会把信息透露给你，对吧？

Nobody knew anything about it, but Phil was gonna give you information, right?

我得说两点，第一点，他根本不是专业演员。

Now I'll say two things, he's not a trained actor, that's the first thing.

第二点，因为场景得是黑夜，所以只能半夜拍，明白吗？

And the second thing is, second thing is because it had to be dark, had to do it late at night, okay?

城市中心总有些喝醉的人，看到有人拍电视节目，肯定要起哄捣乱。

And obviously you know there are various people in city centres who like a drink and you know when they see people filming for the television they're going to heckle.

结果整个拍摄彻底乱了套。

So basically the whole thing was a shambles.

不过话说回来，那段还是播出了，那可是菲尔难得一次演戏的机会——扮演一个提供关于克里斯蒂安·赫尔格森情报的神秘人物。

I think it was still broadcast having said that, but yeah that was Phil's big acting chance a man, quite niche, as a man supplying information on Christian Helgeson.

我喜欢你这么说，梅尔·B的故事是真的。

I love the way you said that this is true, the Mel B story.

我觉得听众们都默认咱们讲的这些故事基本都是真的了，戴夫，这正是重点。

I think the listeners are kind of presuming that most of our stories are true Dave, that's the point.

还有另一个斯诺克选手，不是冰岛人，他是希瑟·米尔斯的前男友，希瑟就是前保罗·麦卡特尼夫人。

Yeah, there was another snooker player not from Iceland, who was the boyfriend of Heather Mills, the former Mrs Paul McCartney.

我觉得这样的人其实没几个，不过反正他是个斯诺克选手。

It's a short list I think, but anyway snooker player.

这挺厉害的。

It's impressive one,

你呢？

you?

跟名人谈过恋爱。

Dated famous people.

对，不好意思。

Yeah, I'm sorry.

也不知道怎么就扯到那方面去了。

I don't know why we got into that anyway.

哦，我觉得这没什么关系。

Oh I don't think it matters.

对，我们确实提过一些跟斯诺克有关的度假建议。

Yeah we did sort of suggest sort of snooker related holiday things.

我的其实比小时候的经历要近得多。

Mine is actually much more recent than from growing up.

上周末我去的一个地方跟斯诺克有点冷门的关系，我不知道我能不能说点什么让你猜出来，但那是另一个巴恩斯利，尼尔·罗伯逊不小心去那儿打世锦赛资格赛的时候打丢了一杆。

Last weekend I went to somewhere with a very niche snooker connection, and I don't know if I I don't know if I could say anything to make you guess it, but it was the other Barnsley that Neil Robertson accidentally went to to miss his World Open qualifier.

那是哪儿？

Where is that?

那是哪儿？

Where is that?

因为我们之前听到过各种关于格洛斯特郡的说法，他是这么说的。

Because we've heard various Gloucestershire, he said.

不过我是说，是的。

But I mean Yeah.

那是一个令人愉悦的科茨沃尔德小村庄。

It's a delightful little Cotswolds village.

对。

Yeah.

而且你知道，我一半的家人都来自那个巴恩斯利，所以我这么说心里很有底。

And, you know, half my family is from the other Barnsley, so I I feel comfortable in saying this.

那是一个迷人的科茨沃尔德小村庄，跟巴恩斯利完全两码事。

A delightful little Cotswold village, Barnsley ain't.

跟他本该去的那个巴恩斯利简直天差地别。

It could not be more different from the Barnsley he should have been going to.

而且，两地之间距离也非常远。

And, also, it's absolutely miles away.

我觉得吧，从谢菲尔德过去要开三个小时车。

I think it, you know, it's a three hour drive from Sheffield.

所以我不确定他到底开了多远才发现自己走错了方向，但明显是完全反了。

So I don't know how far he got towards the Barnsley he was going to before he realized, but it's, like, completely the other direction.

他肯定看到过几个指向北方的路牌，意识到自己走偏了，这才发现目的地是个小村庄。

He must have seen a few signs to the north that he was not going that he was not following before he realized he was going to a tiny little village.

那儿就一家酒吧和几户人家而已。

I mean, it's literally just a pub and a few houses there.

不过，不是这样的。

But, yeah, no.

那地方挺美的。

Lovely place.

我推荐去一趟。

Would recommend it.

但我真想不通他怎么会搞混了。

But struggle to realize how he got it confused.

确实如此。

Well, indeed.

说到斯诺克假期，这事儿挺有意思，因为现在越来越多的人是通过度假才接触到这项运动的。

I mean, the the thing about sort of snooker holiday is interesting because actually it's increasingly becoming a way that players discover the game.

比如卢卡·帕塞尔，他出去度假时看到一张台球桌，和他爸爸一起玩，根本不知道怎么打。

Like, Luca Purcell is on holiday and he saw a pool table and him and his dad I think it was and they just, they didn't even know how to play.

一开始连球杆都拿反了。

Initially held the cue the wrong way round.

他根本没接触过台球，用杆尾去击球，但不知怎么的，这事儿就吸引了他。

He was trying to hit it with the wrong end of the cue, because he'd never seen cue sport before, but something about it got him.

不过现在对他来说，度假本身可能比打球更有意思。

Although because these days I think holidays are more interesting to him than actually playing.

现在很多人是因为去西班牙度假，偶然看到一张台球桌，才开始玩的。

But the sort of absence of snooker clubs may be actually going on holiday in Spain or wherever and seeing a pool table.

现在经常听到有人说：‘哦，我就是这么开始的。’

You hear a lot now that people oh yeah I saw that's how I started.

这已经成了一种全新的入门方式。

That's become a kind of new way of of starting to play.

我觉得这纯粹就是概率问题，对吧？

I think it's just a numbers game isn't it?

你只需要让人试一次就行，因为跟你聊过的那些职业选手，几乎第一次拿球杆就能看出来他们有天赋。

You just need you need people just to have a go once because the number of pros you speak to and literally the first time they play you could tell they're gonna be good.

比如我以前采访过安东尼·汉密尔顿，他退役的时候。

Like, they because I I speak to Anthony Hamilton when he retired.

说到他第一次见到斯诺克球台、第一次拿起球杆的时候。

I mean, going back to the first time he ever he ever saw a snooker table ever, like, picked up a cue.

他当时一杆打出了24分，之前根本没碰过球杆。

He'd made 24, and he'd literally never touched a cue before.

没错。

No.

真的没碰过。

Like, no.

我们还没跟戴夫打过。

We've not played Dave.

我和尼克要是能拿到24分，就心满意足了。

I know me and Nick would be thrilled with a 24.

我们这辈子打过不少斯诺克了。

We played a reasonable amount of snooker over our lives.

但现在就是打不出来了。

Just can't do it.

但那些有天赋的人，只要打一次，你就能看出来，一上手就着迷，接着就会想再来一次。

But these guys, like, if they're gonna be good, they just need to have just had one go and then you realize, and then you caught, and then you got the bug and you go again.

我们得先让更多人来试试，才能找到那些真正有潜力的人。

But we just need to get the numbers in to at least have a go at it to to find those guys.

你从来听不到有人说，这球台太大了。

What you never hear is from those guys, oh, this table is massive.

我还是这么觉得。

I still think that.

事实上，我以前在节目里也说过，菲尔。

In fact, I've said this on the air before, Phil.

我不是在故意夸张。

I'm not just hamming it up.

我觉得肯定会有那么一次，我们会打到托尼的那局。

There will be one occasion, I think, when we play the Tony meal.

那时候我真会大声说出来，因为那距离实在太远了。

When I honestly, I think I'll say it out loud, so that's miles away.

当白球在一端的时候，你明白，这根本不是普通的远距离击球。

When the white is at one end, you know, it's not it's not a regular long pot.

公平地说，那会是白球紧贴一端，而另一颗球也紧贴在另一端的时候。

It will be when the in fairness to me, it'll be when the white's really tight, and then the other ball's fairly tight on the other end.

我

I'm

对，没错。

like Yeah.

那也太远了吧。

That is just miles away.

这应该只有三分之二的大小。

This should be two thirds of the size.

怎么可能做到呢？这事儿你从来听不到他们提，但对我们这些普通玩家来说，就是想好好打一局而已。

How can that make and that's what you never hear them say, but for us sort of, you know, very very ordinary characters, you know, trying to have a game.

就这尺寸，就算我这个年纪，都觉得太大了。

It is the size of it, even at my age, I think this this is too big.

抱歉，我还以为是在录斯诺克播客呢，也许你该说清楚，不过说实话，戴夫·亨顿，这才是最好的做法。

Sorry, I thought I saw doing a snooker podcast so maybe you should say, but I'm honestly the best policy Dave Hendon.

没错，确实如此。

No, it's true.

我觉得大多数人刚开始打球时，都是从小球台练起，毕竟家里车库或者房间放得下嘛。

I think like most people, the traditional way of starting to play is on a small table obviously you know you can fit in your garage or your room or whatever.

但一想到标准尺寸的斯诺克球台，就让人有点望而生畏。

And there is something quite forbidding about you know the full size snooker table.

当然了，小孩本身个子小，所以看起来桌子就特别大。

Obviously when if you're a kid you're small anyway, so it seems bigger than it is.

但我们还是拼命想保持这个夏日主题，我之前在群聊里提过这个问题。

But we're trying to desperately cling to this summer theme, and I did in the group chat I suppose you'd call it.

我问了大家一句：要是去度假，你会选哪个斯诺克选手同行？

I asked the question, who would be the best snooker player to go on holiday with?

当然，这个问题真正的重点其实是——你度假的时候喜欢干什么？

Now of course, the real point about that is well what do you like to do on holiday?

因为每个人喜欢的东西都不一样，我就不太爱到处逛。

Because you know everyone has different things personally, I just I'm not a great one for sort of exploring.

我度假就喜欢躺平，啥也不干。

If I go on holiday, I do like to just lie around doing nothing.

不是所有人都这么想，不过嘛，我先把问题抛给大家吧。

Now not everyone likes that, but yeah, well I'll throw it to the room.

我说啊，别误会，要是谁没被提到，可别觉得被冷落了——但要说谁最适合度假同行，我第一个想到的就是菲尔，你可别躲啊。

I mean, don't, we're not, this is not, no offense should be taken if you're left out or anything that's said here, but best snooker players go on holiday with Phil, I'm gonna put you on the spot.

嗯，正如你所说，这个问题其实有好几种看法，但我之前的做法是，疫情之前，我每年都会努力去三个从来没去过的地方。

Well, yeah, as you said, there's there's a number of ways different ways of looking at this, but what I went with because before COVID, which sort of ruined everything, I had a nice run of trying to go to three countries I'd never been to before every year.

连续几年下来，要么就挑近的地方短途走走，要么就一次性跑远点，一口气去三个邻近的国家。

If I managed for a few years, You'd either do little little trips to close ones or you'd go away and do three that are close together far away.

我现在特别想再回到那些还没去过的地方看看。

So I would like to get back to go in places I've not been before.

所以我翻了翻那些职业选手的名单，看看谁可以带我去他们家乡，给我当个向导。

So I was looking through the list of pros that could take me to where they're from and show me around.

选项还挺有意思的。

There's an interesting bunch of options.

比如巴西，我从来没去过。

You know, I've not been to Brazil.

乔纳斯·卢斯可以带我去巴西，但我从来没跟他见过面。

Jonas Luz could take me to Brazil, but I've never met him before.

这事儿估计会有点尴尬。

This would be awkward.

是的

Yeah.

尤林·博伊科可以带我去乌克兰。

You you Euling Boyko up into Ukraine.

我选了他，虽然完全不知道那儿当旅游地会怎么样，可能糟透了，也可能很棒，但我以前见过他。

The one I the one I plumped for, and I have no idea what this is gonna be like as a holiday destination, could be awful, could be good, but I have met him before.

我很喜欢他。

Do like him.

是个挺有意思的人。

Entertaining character.

我想和侯赛因·瓦法伊一起去伊朗。

I wanna go to Iran with Hossein Vafai.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这可是个不错的机会。

And that's a good chance.

是个不错的选择。

Choice.

如果你真见到了乔纳斯·卢斯，可别一上来就说：‘我能跟你一起去度假吗？’

If you do meet Jonas lose, I wouldn't open with can I come on holiday with you?

得先聊点别的，慢慢再引到这个话题上。

I've got start with something else and then build up to that.

我

I

我确实见过维克托·萨尔基斯，我觉得你对他可以直接这么说，他人特别好。

did meet Victor Sarkis who I think you could open with that because he was the loveliest bloke.

是啊。

Yeah.

我觉得他肯定会直接答应。

I think he would just say yes.

这回答不错，说实话，我觉得确实如此。外面这事儿挺轰动的，你知道，斯诺克虽然不是最热门的运动，但他本人很有名气，人也特别热情。

It's a good answer, mean, I'll say it would be, you know, it's big news out there actually, know, he's obviously snookers not the biggest sport, but he's got a certain profile and he would he's very hospitable chap, think.

所以我觉得他肯定会把你照顾得很好。

So I think he would look after you certainly.

是啊，不过我有点过意不去，因为你刚才说的太好了。但我觉得，要是去度假，还是跟最靠谱的人一起去，找个最棒的哥们儿。

Yeah, well I feel a bit bad, because you've given a very good answer though I think, I think my, just think if you're gonna go on holiday, go with the best person, the best bloke.

我会选巴里·霍金斯。

So I'd go on holiday with Barry Hawkins.

没错。

Yeah.

他真的是个特别好的人。

He's the nicest guy.

你得有多奇葩，才会跟巴里·霍金斯闹翻啊？

I was just thinking, you know, sort of monster would you have to be to fall out with Barry Hawkins?

我的意思是，谁还没在采访区出过糗呢，对吧？

I mean, we we we all we all have embarrassing moments, don't we, in the press room?

谁还没几个后悔的时刻呢？说过的话、做过的事，回头想想都觉得丢人。

There's there's no point of telling me we don't moments that we sort of regret and think, I shouldn't have said that, shouldn't have done that, oh, embarrassing.

你要是跑来跟大家说，我跟巴里·霍金斯闹翻了，那肯定立马被赶出去。

If you came in and said, guys, I've fallen out with Barry Hawkins, you'd be like, chucked out.

不光是克鲁西布剧院，恐怕整个谢菲尔德都没你容身之地。

Not just on the crucible, probably Sheffield.

赶紧走吧。

Get out.

我算是个中间性格的人。

And I am an ambivert.

有时候我喜欢跟人待着，但更多时候我讨厌社交，我更喜欢一个人待着。

I sometimes like people, mostly I don't, mostly I'm an introvert, mostly I like being on my own.

我觉得巴里特别随和，你要是跟他说：‘巴里，下午我想去游个泳，或者在镇上随便逛逛，晚上回房看老比赛录像就行’，他准会点头答应。

And I reckon Barry, so obliging, he'd be a great one for just saying, Barry, I wanna go for a bit of a swim this afternoon, you know, have a bit of a wander around the town, go back and watch old videos of blankety blank in my room, you know, whatever.

我觉得他也会说：‘我呢，也想自己去干点别的事。’

And I think he would say, yeah, I'm gonna go off and do my own thing as well actually.

我想啊，

I wanna sort of,

随便逛逛，看看风景，

you know, wander around, have a look

去那边的海滩走走，然后晚上一起吃个饭。

at the beach up there, have a go see you for dinner.

我觉得他肯定会很随和。

I think he'd be very obliging.

还有另一件事，

Now that that's the the other thing.

尼尔·罗伯逊，我一直觉得他是我最能感同身受的人。

Neil Robertson, I always think is the person I most identify with as a human.

我觉得和他一起出去旅行肯定会很愉快，我们能聊很多关于生活的事。

So I think I'd enjoy going away with him because we'd have lots of great chats about life, I do think.

不过，度假的话，还是和最合得来的人一起去比较好。

But, yeah, if you go to your holiday, go with the best person.

斯诺克圈里有很多很棒的人。

There are loads of great people in snooker.

最讨人喜欢的是肖尼·巴里。

The nicest of all is Shaunie Barry.

是啊，这主意不错。

Yeah, mean it's a good shout.

我觉得有些人真不能一起出游，尼尔·罗伯逊就是其中一个，他准会误了航班，搭错飞机，跑到错误的国家去，到时候你根本找不到他。

I think there's people you couldn't go with, Neil Robertson's actually one of them, because he probably, he's late for the flight, on the wrong flight, go to the wrong country, and you wouldn't see him.

对，我也是，所以你根本没法跟朱德或者杰克去度假，他们肯定会光着膀子到处晃，让你没面子。

Yeah, but so would I, so that's the You couldn't go on holiday with Judd or Jack, because they'd be walking around with the top off showing you up.

好吧，这种事确实干不了。

Okay, so you couldn't do that.

还有几个其他人，因为各种原因也不适合一起出游。

There's a few others who for various reasons wouldn't go with.

我提一个，里基·沃尔登，我觉得跟他去度假的话，你迟早得跟他说话，躲都躲不掉。

I'm going to throw one in Ricky Walden, I think Ricky Walden someone because inevitably you are if you're on holiday with them, you're have to talk to them at some point.

其实里基这个人，聊的不光是斯诺克，他挺喜欢音乐的，对各种文化东西也感兴趣。

And Ricky actually you can talk about things other than snooker, know he likes his music, kind of likes various cultural things.

肯当然也是，肯·多赫蒂。

Ken obviously is another one, Ken Docherty.

而且肯好像特别喜欢度假。

And Ken also seems to like a holiday.

你要是关注他的社交媒体，感觉他一直在外面旅行，根本停不下来。

If you ever follow him on social media, seems to be on one permanently actually.

像这类人，我觉得最重要的是别一出去就是两周，满嘴都是斯诺克。

But so those sort of guys, I think what you don't want to fall into is spending two weeks or however long it is talking about snooker.

所以你得找些有其他兴趣的人。

So you need people who have other interests.

里基就是这种人。

Think Ricky's one of those.

说真的，尼尔·罗伯逊也是。

Neil Robertson in fairness is one as well.

巴里呢，就像你说的，特别好相处。

And Barry would as you say, just be clubbable.

他跟你在一起肯定很合得来。

So he would fit in with you.

但我觉得这事不太可能成，我猜他们可能根本不想跟我们一起去度假。

But I don't think there's any prospect of any of this happening because I suspect they possibly don't wanna go on holiday with us maybe.

里基·沃尔登一直都是这样的人。

Ricky Walden is always one.

我觉得这可能是Eurosport节目里常问的问题，比如‘你最想跟哪个选手喝一杯？’

I think it's it might be on Eurosport questions or like sheet out questions when who would you most like to go for a drink with?

哪个选手最该一起去？

Who the player must go?

里基总是被点名最多。

And Ricky Ricky gets so many shouts.

他和安德鲁·希金森，我觉得他们俩也是朋友。

Him and Andrew Higginson, who I think are mates as well.

所以他可能也是个不错的选择。

So he'd be he might be another option.

对。

Yeah.

不过说实话，确实有不少这样的人。

There's this to to be fair, that there's there's a couple of lot of them.

宾汉姆也是其中一个。

Bingham's another.

都是挺稳重的选手，对吧？

Just solid guys, aren't they?

安东尼·汉密尔顿当然算一个，还有麦奎尔也是。

Anthony Hamilton, obviously, and actually Maguire as well.

他们都是特别靠谱的人。

They're just solid guys.

又回到我们刚才说的了。

Don't kind of, again, it's what we were saying earlier.

他们不会刻意给你强加某种形象。

They don't sort of have attempt to sort of force an image on you.

他们就是他们自己，这样挺好，他们也挺自在的，那别人为什么就不能接受呢？

They are who they are and that's fine and they're happy with that, so why shouldn't anyone else be?

不过咱们还是换个话题吧，刚才已经提到不少选手了。

But let's move on because we've named a lot of players there.

世界斯诺克巡回赛刚刚推出了他们的‘幻想五人’比赛。

So World Snooker Tour have announced their Fantasy five competition.

顾名思义，你需要从排名的不同梯队里挑出五名选手。

It's a fantasy as it sounds, you have to pick five players from different sections of the rankings.

我觉得我们该公布一下我们的选人了。

And I think we're gonna unveil our entries.

大家都说：快说吧，我们听了快四十五分钟了，都急得坐立不安了，

People have been saying come on, we've been listening for forty five minutes and we're on tenterhooks,

你们到底会选谁？

who you're going to choose?

不过去年我这边出了点小争议，我现在得解释一下，因为这事挺奇怪的，居然没有一个网站能查分数，这对一个梦幻联赛来说确实不太合理。

But there was a slight note of controversy from my side last year, which I'm going to address now because well it's quite a strange, like there's not a website you can check your scores which is quite odd for a fantasy competition.

他们的做法是每打完一场比赛就发邮件告诉你排名。

So the idea is they email you after each event to say where you are.

但威尔士公开赛之后，我压根没收到任何邮件，后面还有五六场比赛呢。

But I didn't get any emails at all after the Welsh Open, And there were another five or six tournaments.

而且我那会儿成绩还不错。

And I was doing quite well.

尼尔·罗伯逊赢得了世界大奖赛。

Neil Robertson won the World Grand Prix.

我选了他。

Was in my thing.

我还选了特鲁姆普。

I had Trump as well.

不过后来我就不知道结果怎么样了，我不是说我赢了，但要是赢了也挺不错的。

But so I've no idea what became, I'm not suggesting I won it, but it would have been nice to have

我收到一些。

got some.

菲爾，我正看著手錶，像費吉那樣盯著看。

Phil, I'm looking at my watch here, I'm looking at my watch like Fergie.

我完全沒想到，開播將近四十五分鐘了，才第一次有人提到《Waldsnookerscenepodcast》。

I never imagined it'd be three quarters of an hour in before the first swipe at Waldsnookerscenepodcast.

這不是提問，就是個問題。

It's not a swipe, it's just a question.

我沒說這是陰謀，也許是，但我沒這麼說。

I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy, it might have been, I'm not suggesting it was.

但威爾士公開賽之後，我確實沒收到任何郵件，這就是事實。

But didn't get any emails after the Welsh Open, that's just a fact.

不過，我們還是別讓這事掃了興致。

But anyway, know we won't sour it with that.

所以，菲爾，你想怎麼辦？我也不知道咱們該怎麼搞。

So, Phil, do you wanna I don't know how we're gonna do this.

那就列一下我们选的选手吧。

Just, well, just list the players we picked, I suppose.

好的。

Sure.

我觉得前两名其实挺明显的，当然也可能不是，但我一开始选了贾德·特鲁姆普，接着在下一档选了赵心童。

Well, I I sort of think the top two are obvious, and maybe not, but I went with Judd Trump at the start followed by Zhao Zingtong in the next category.

再往后就明显难选多了。

Then it obviously gets a bit more tricky.

从那儿开始，可选的人就多了。

There's more choice to be had from there on in.

说实话，大概一周前我可能不会把乔·奥康纳排在第三，但这赛季他表现得太让我意外了。

And I think I I mean, probably a week ago, might maybe I wouldn't have gone with Joe O'Connor in my third one, but I was so impressed with him so far this season.

而且说实话，我也不确定。

Also, I don't know.

锦标赛联赛的成绩算在这里吗？

Is does the championship league be count on this?

因为很明显，我选了斯蒂芬·麦圭尔。

Because obviously, just picked Stephen McGuire.

好的。

Okay.

我们其实本该这么做的。

Well, we could do maybe we should have done that.

不过不管怎样，乔·奥康纳是我第三组选的人。

But, anyway, Joe O'Connor was in my third section.

第四组呢，是因为我之前在赛季初做斯诺克预测时，就选了这位选手，当时是挑潜力新星之类的。

Fourth section because I picked this guy in those well, snooker predictions we did that start the season for surprise package or whatever it was badged up as.

我选了他，结果他在冠军联赛里表现也不错，挺好的。

I went for, and he actually did well in Championship League as well, so that was good.

而且可能也受了上周节目的影响，他当时表现非常出色。

And then possibly influence because we had him on last week, and he was very impressive.

他还说，自己训练的时长比巡回赛上任何人都多。

And he's saying he's practicing more than anyone else on tour.

我选了山姆·克雷吉，因为他是排名最靠后的选手。

I went with Sam Craigie in the last section because, you know, he started at the bottom of the rankings.

他之前缺席了一段时间，但实力明显不止于此。

He'd been away, but he's clearly a better player than that.

这就是我的五个选择。

So that's my five.

特鲁姆普、赵、奥康纳、朱和克雷吉。

Trump, Zhao, O'Connor, Zhu, and Craigie.

是的，没错。

Well, yeah.

非常有意思，选得真不错，相当到位。

Very, very interesting and a very far decent, very fine selection, actually.

我选凯伦·威尔逊。

Well, I'll go for Kyren Wilson.

没人觉得他会延续状态，但我认为他值得更多认可——虽然可能有点高估了，可他确实常被低估，很多人说他这赛季表现不错，但觉得不可能再来了。

Mean, no one else seems to think that Kyren will will follow-up or not no one, but I think it I mean, might be reaching too far, but I think this sort of fits into the little bit of the Kyren not always getting the recognition or maybe even respect a little bit he deserves sometimes, but a lot of people seem to suggest, oh, you know, that that's a good season, but it won't happen again.

没什么理由觉得他不会。

No reason to think, well, it won't.

马克·塞尔比总是物超所值，我觉得。

Mark Selby always gives you one for your money, I think.

他总能稳定地出现在竞争行列里，随时准备破门而入。

You know, he he he he'll consistently be there knocking on the door.

所以我选了他作为下一个。

So I've gone for him in the next one.

吴宜泽上个赛季打进了两个排名赛决赛，很明显，他未来几年会不断逼近顶尖行列。

Wu Yissa reached two ranking finals last season, and, you know, it's clearly, clearly, someone that's gonna be, you know, that phrase knocking on the door a lot in the years to come.

就像你刚才说的，菲尔，我觉得我确实应该回应一下我们几周前做的那些预测。

Like you sort of suggested there, Phil, I I I felt I really should follow-up that, you know, predictions we did a few weeks ago.

不然的话，万一别人以为我们是临上节目前五分钟才匆忙凑出来的，根本没认真考虑，那就太不公平了。

Otherwise, god forbid, people might think, you know, that we do it with five minutes to spare before we go on air and don't give it any thought, and that would be out very unfair.

亚伦·希尔，我觉得他会越来越出色。

Aaron Hill, I think he'll step up to the plate more and more.

对他来说，现在就是最好的时机，而且他最近刚来过，夏天初期的时候表现特别出色，扎克的发挥也很稳定。

No time like the present for him, and of course, was on here recently, and it was great value during the summer, the early part of the summer, and Zach's shirty.

当然了，菲尔，我们从不设 favorites。

Now and, course, we don't have favorites, Phil.

虽然不能明说，但我们其实挺喜欢扎克的，对吧？

We're not allowed them, but we we're fans of Zach, aren't we?

我们都觉得他性价比超高，人也特别棒。

We we think he's great value, great guy.

他最近进步巨大，凭什么这种势头不能继续下去呢？

Massive improvement from him lately, and, you know, why shouldn't it continue?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得他在排名榜上也一直稳居前列。

And I think he was very top of that list of the rank as well.

他确实，嗯，差不多就是那个位置。

He was, yeah, he was sort of yeah.

我确实考虑过他，但他现在看起来太棒了，对吧？

I did I did consider him, but he looks great, doesn't he?

他现在完全像换了个人一样。

He looks a completely different player now.

关于尼克的名单，我想说两点。

I'll say two things about Nick's list.

第一，亚伦·希尔，我觉得我真该请他来录我的有声书，他说话的声音太让人喜欢了。

The first, Aaron Hill, I think I actually might get him to do my audiobook because I just love the way he speaks.

他的声音特别亲切，带着爱尔兰口音。

So he's got such a such a sort of friendly voice, like cork accent.

他简直太出色了。

He's brilliant.

凯伦·威尔逊这个赛季会挺有意思，毕竟他现在不是世界冠军了。

Karen Wilson, it'd be interesting season for him because, of course now he's not world champion.

他在各种话题榜单上的曝光度估计也不会像以前那么高了。

He won't be quite so prominent in terms of the sort of the the table choices.

而且他自己也说过，去年他连赢四站比赛，用成绩证明了这一点。

And actually I think and he said it himself and he backed it up by winning those four tournaments last year.

他真的在主球台上打得最好。

He really does play his best snooker when he's on the main table.

但很明显，丁俊晖会比他更受青睐。

But clearly Zingtong's gonna get the nod over him.

还有罗尼和特鲁姆普，他们通常都会排在他前面。

And then you've always got Ronnie and Trump who are going be sort of maybe ahead of him.

卡爾目前在卫冕几项冠军头衔，这对他是有利的。

Obviously, Carr is defending a few titles, which will be in his favor.

他或许能被选中，但这也得看他怎么应对，我觉得。

He might get the nod, but that'll be something for him to sort of deal with, I think.

他能不能放下这些压力，专心打好每一局台球呢？

And can he sort of put that to one side just plays best snooker.

我最终选了贾德·特鲁姆普。

I have gone for Judd Trump.

我觉得我以前说过很多次了，我们总是理所当然地觉得他能连续赢多个冠军，但其实这真的很难做到。

I do think I've said this many times, I think we do take for granted that the idea that he's going to win multiple titles, it's really hard to keep doing that.

也许他会有一整个赛季都没能拿下冠军。

And it may be that he he could have a season where it doesn't happen.

如果特鲁姆普只赢了两个赛事，大家就觉得他状态低迷，这简直太离谱了。

If judge Trump won two tournaments it would feel like a bad season which is ridiculous.

但我们评判他的标准，其实是他给自己定的那么高的要求。

But that's his own standards that he we're judging him against.

但在那六个人里，他依然是最有可能多次夺冠的。

But I think of that six he's the most likely to win multiple titles.

当然，92三杰都在其中，实力没得说。

Obviously all three of the classy 92 are in there.

他们都有能力，但你想想，像希金斯那样一年赢四站，或者罗尼两年前做到过，可现在他的状态还真不好说。

They're capable, but you know they don't really see like a John Higgins winning four tournaments you know or even I know Ronnie did it two years ago but he's sort of a bit of an unknown at the moment.

丁俊晖现在已经不太有这种表现了。

Ding isn't really doing that anymore.

当然，卡兰是另一个选择，所以我选了特鲁姆普。

And obviously Carran's the other one, so I've gone for Trump.

第二个人选，我也选了马克·塞尔比。

Second bit, went for Mark Selby as well.

说实话，很多人可能会选丁俊晖，但我觉得，如果他这个赛季表现不够好，那就得换个人选。

I mean, Zing Tong is, I felt a lot of people would pick Zing Tong, and I just thought if he didn't have such a great season, obviously you've got to pick someone else.

所以选塞尔比，就是觉得他总会在关键时刻爆发。

So Selby, you just feel he's gonna come good at times.

过去几年，马克·塞尔比虽然没在大赛里拿过冠军，但他在重要赛事中的表现一直很稳。

What Mark Selby hasn't done the last few years, he's done well in the really big tournaments.

他连续两年在克鲁斯堡止步，这还是他职业生涯头一回。

He's lost two years running at the crucible, that's the first time in his career that's happened.

显然，乔·奥康纳和本·沃拉斯顿都曾击败过他。

Obviously Joe O'Connor and Ben Wollaston two, Lester men beat him.

他差不多十一年没进过大师赛四强了，英锦赛也很久没拿过冠军了。

The Masters he hasn't been in the semis of the Masters for something like eleven years, and you know The UK hasn't won that for a long time.

所以关键看他能不能在那些积分重大的赛事里发挥出来，但你也知道，像马克这样的球员，年纪大了，家里事情多，兴趣也广，时间自然就被分走了。

So it's whether he can do it in obviously big points counting event, but you just know the thing with Mark, like so many players as they get older, their families, have other interests and that does eat into their time.

马克也一样有这些情况，但他依然特别专注。

Mark's got that as well, but he's still so dedicated.

他该练的时候认真练，该做的准备一样都不落下。

You know he'll practice properly, he'll do all the right things.

所以我还是挺看好他能有好表现的。

So I do fancy him do well.

然后我选了两位中国选手，袁思俊，我觉得我们之前对中国的选手有点一棍子打死了。

Then I've gone for two Chinese players, Yuan Sijun, who I think again, we sort of banned the Chinese players together a bit too much.

他们每个人都不一样。

They're all different.

性格不同，打法也不同。

Different personalities, different players.

他还很年轻。

He's still really young.

他才25岁。

He's only 25.

但他看起来好像打了很久似的。

He seems like he's he's been around a long time.

他刚崭露头角的时候，斯蒂芬·亨得利对他评价就很高。

When he first broke through Stephen Hendon very positive about him.

当时对他赞不绝口。

Praised him up.

他之前退出了巡回赛，但现在又回归了。

And he dropped off the tour but he's got back on.

他的排名达到了职业生涯最高的第30位。

He's at his highest ever ranking 30.

我觉得他可能已经准备好加入冠军的行列了。

And I just think he's sort of ready maybe to join that list of winners actually.

我相信他会赢下一场比赛。

I think he'll win a tournament.

先生，我在冠军联赛结束前就选中他了。

As you sir, I did pick him before the Championship League ended.

有一件事我之前说过，最后一天特别明显——他在战术上还太天真。

One thing I was saying this became apparent on the last day, tactically he is a bit naive.

他输给了乔·奥康纳，当时他其实需要四个斯诺克才能追平。

I mean he lost a frame to Joe O'Connor, who need he actually needed four snookers to tie.

他落后50分，后来又落后67分，而台面上只剩51分了。

He was 50, he was 67 behind with 51 on.

但贾瑟显然以为自己赢了这一局，可当乔开始给他制造麻烦时，他完全不知道怎么应对。

But Jusser obviously thought that he won the frame, but when Joe started to put him in trouble, he had no answer at all.

这种球输得实在不该。

And you know, shouldn't really lose friends like that.

其实之后另一场比赛里，他又陷入一个斯诺克，根本不知道怎么解。

And actually after that in another match he was in a snooker that he just didn't seem to know how to get out of.

这是个问题，不过作为选手，他上个赛季打出了三个147，还有很多单杆破百，总体表现还是很出色的。

So that is one concern, but as a scorer he knows made three maximums, a lot of centuries to his name last season and in general.

所以在单杆清台赢局这方面，他确实能做到。

So in terms of winning frames in one visit, he'll do that.

而且我觉得，再看他的性格，他心态很好，不会轻易被外界干扰。

And you know, I think he's again just looking at him, he's got a good temperament, doesn't react to stuff.

处理起球来沉稳又靠谱。

Quietly competent with him.

最后是这一项，我心里挺过意不去的，因为我之前答应过斯蒂芬·霍沃斯会选他，结果却没选。

And then the last category, do feel bad because I told Stephen Haworth I'd pick him and I haven't.

其实我之前忘了，我们是在

I've actually, because I forgot we were

做这个播客节目，要公开说这些

going revealing

。

it on a podcast.

不过算了，抱歉啊斯蒂芬，我确实选了山姆·克雷吉。

But anyway, so sorry, Stephen, I did actually pick Sam Cragy.

上周你做播客时的表现让我特别印象深刻，毕竟他以前对接受采访这类事一直不太感兴趣。

I was very impressed with how you spoke on your podcast last week, I thought because he hasn't always been that interested in doing interviews and all that.

但很明显，离开赛场一段时间，加上健康问题复发后，他反而变得更加坚定。

But clearly, think having the gear away and that the health problems come back very, very determined.

重新适应比赛可能还会有些困难，但也不意外。

It's still maybe going to be a struggle just getting used to playing again.

萨姆·克雷吉一直是个非常出色的选手。

But he was always a really good player Sam Craigie.

他本来就是个好手，我觉得他肯定能稳进前64名，今年表现会很不错。之前他其实一直在稳步提升，直到不得不暂时退一步，后来还在德国大师赛打进了半决赛。

He was always a good player and he's one of these he's definitely going to finish you know I think probably in the top 64, I think he's going to have a good year and he's kind of gradually, he was sort of steadily improving before he had to take a step back, he got to that semi final in Berlin at the German Masters.

我觉得他未来一定会有很多亮眼的表现。

And yeah, I think I could see good things for him.

不过说起来挺有意思的，去年谁会想到像让·古东这样的人能冒出来呢？

So yeah, but it'd be interesting because I mean last year I don't think any of us would have picked like Jean Gudong for example.

我猜就连最终夺冠的那个人，可能自己都没料到，毕竟他那个赛季实在太出色了。

And I suspect maybe even the person who won might have had it because he had such a good season.

所以可能会有谁我们根本没想到的人突然表现出来。

So someone's gonna like, who we haven't thought of is gonna do something.

比如克里斯·韦克曼，他其实是个很值得选的人，因为他进步特别大，也非常专注。

Like a Chris Wakeman actually, he would have been a good pick for that second band, because he's really, really improved, really, really dedicated.

咱们走着瞧吧。

So we'll see.

不过不管怎么说，我选的就是这些人。

But anyway, for what it's worth, that's who I picked.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得赵国龙这个赛季挺有意思的，因为前一个赛季张宇浩突然爆发出惊人表现，对吧？

So I think Zhao Gujong was quite an interesting one this season actually because he sort of he came the season before Zhang Under had the the amazing season out of nowhere, really, didn't he?

对。

Yeah.

但他之后没跟上，成绩又下滑了。

And then he didn't really follow it up, but he really dropped off again.