Retatrutide结果——GLP1激动剂司美格鲁肽、替泽帕肽与Retatrutide对比——健美播客第77期

欢迎收听类固醇播客，我是来自泰国的健美运动员丹。

Welcome to the steroid podcast with your host, Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand.

我们开始吧。

Let's get started.

本类固醇播客由丹——来自泰国的健美运动员——撰写的109页电子书《类固醇终极指南》赞助播出。

The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to Roids, 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand.

现在，在健美历史上，你第一次遇到一个没有任何企业利益、也不必取悦任何人的人。

Now, for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone.

不会小心翼翼地怕冒犯任何人。

Not walking on eggshells to not offend.

《类固醇终极指南》为你提供完整的信息，全部的信息，全部的真相，而不是部分真相和半真半假的内容，是完整的真相。

Ultimate Guide to Roids gives you the information, the whole information, the whole truth, not a full truth and a half truth, full truth.

《类固醇终极指南》为你提供兰博基尼的钥匙，给你所有信息，由你自己决定如何使用。

Ultimate Guide to Roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini, gives you the information, and lets you decide what to do with it.

这简直是一种罪过。

It's a crime.

这些信息被压制了这么久。

This information has been suppressed this long.

现在让我们继续进入播客。

Now let's get on with the podcast.

好的。

Okay.

欢迎来到激素播客的下一期。

Welcome to the next episode of the steroids podcast.

我们直接进入今天第一个问题。

Let's get right to the first question for today.

斯科特说，非常满意你的电子书《终极类固醇指南》，也一直关注你的所有YouTube视频。

Scott asks, really happy with the ebook, Dan, ultimate guide to roids, and follow all your YouTube videos.

那是目前最棒的内容。

Best content out there.

谢谢，兄弟。

Thanks, man.

如果你有机会回答我的问题，我会非常感激。

Much appreciated if you could answer my question if you get the chance.

我主要使用丙酸睾酮。

I mainly use test propionate.

它似乎更适合我的身体。

Just seems to work with my body better.

每天注射对我的抑制作用较小，而且我的性欲提高了十倍。

Everyday injections doesn't shut me down as much, and my sex drive is 10 times better.

我最近经常出差，每次旅行大约七到十天。

I've recently started traveling a lot more, about seven to ten day trips.

在我出发前注射一次100毫克的突击剂量，你有什么建议？

What would you suggest to do a jab, a bolus, say, 100 before I travel?

你建议我如何操作？

How would you suggest I go about this?

因为显然，丙酸睾酮会很快从我的体内代谢掉？

Since, obviously, the testosterone propionate will be out of my system pretty fast?

是的

Yeah.

即使每两天注射一次丙酸睾酮，在你不注射的那天，你还是会感觉到一些下降。

The testosterone propionate, even with every other day injections, you'll feel a little drop off on the day that you don't take it.

所以丙酸睾酮的效果非常剧烈。

So testosterone propionate, it's really punchy.

它上升和下降得都非常快。

It's really up and down fast.

每两天注射一次确实非常有效。

It it's definitely effective taking it every other day.

所以，尽管我说感觉不同，但每两天注射和每天注射的增肌效果其实差别不大。

So even though I'm saying it feels different, the gains, though, are not that much different taking it of every other day versus every day.

只是感觉上有所不同。

There's just a different feeling to it.

但丙酸睾酮确实会对心理状态产生更显著的影响。

But the the testosterone propionate, yeah, it it definitely has a big much bigger bigger mental effect.

你说它让你的性欲比睾酮提升得更多。

You said it makes your libido go up a lot more than testi.

我觉得这很正常，相当普遍。

I think that's pretty normal, pretty pretty common.

人们经常讨论丙酸睾酮和庚酸睾酮。

People kinda talk about testosterone propionate and testosterone nantate.

它们都只是睾酮。

They're both just testosterone.

本质上是一样的。

It's the same thing.

但当药物更快或更慢地进入血液，更快或更慢地达到峰值浓度时，这些差异会改变你对药物效果的感知，也会影响药物在体内停留的时间，从而改变身体其他反应的发生。

But when you have medicines that hit your bloodstream quicker or slower, and they reach their peak levels quicker or slower, those change the perceived effects of the drug and it also changes how long the drug is in your system for other reactions in your body to interact with it.

比如转化为雌激素、升高催乳素等等，以及身体为维持稳态而做出的调整。

So things like aromatizing into estrogen, raising prolactin, etcetera, and your body trying to maintain homeostasis by changing things.

如果你使用的药物在体内快速升降，你的身体就没有太多机会降低对它的敏感性。

If you've had something that's going up and down really fast, your body isn't going to have as much opportunity to make itself less sensitive.

所以如果你要出门旅行七到十天，我建议你出发前注射大约750毫克的睾酮庚酸酯，就像你提到的那样。

So if you're going to take a travel seven to ten days, I would say you should take, like you said, probably seven fifty milligrams of testosterone, testosterone enanthate, right before you go.

因为你提到你每天注射丙酸睾酮，而我认为每天100毫克的丙酸睾酮是一个非常好的剂量。

Because you said you're doing testosterone perpunate injections every day, and I mean, I'd say one hundred milligrams per day is a great dose of testosterone propionate.

这种感觉很棒。

That feels good.

这绝对会让你感受到你之前没用过类固醇时所期待的那种睾酮效果。

That's definitely going to give you the feeling of being on testosterone that you thought it would be like before you ever took steroids.

你是不是在想，服用睾酮会是什么感觉？或者类似的问题？

And you're thinking like, what's it going to be what would it be like to take testosterone or something like that?

你知道吗，每天注射100毫克丙酸睾酮，对绝大多数人来说都能稳定且可靠地带来这种感觉。

You know, taking a hundred milligrams every day of testosterone propionate seems to give that sensation pretty good and pretty reliably too across like a huge cross section of people.

所以你只需要补充你错过的那部分睾酮剂量即可。

So you want to just do that same amount of testosterone that you're going to that you'd be missing.

庚酸睾酮在注射后约24小时达到峰值，五天后降至峰值水平的大约50%。

The testosterone enanthate, like it peaks after twenty four hours and then goes down to about 50% of what its peak level was about five days after the shot.

到了两周后，它几乎就完全从你体内排出了。

And then by after two weeks, it's almost out of your system.

两周后，那次注射释放的水平已经非常低了。

It it's very low levels being released from that shot after two weeks.

所以如果你在出发那天或类似的时间点注射那750毫克的剂量，那么在你旅行的那接下来一周里，大约会有700毫克左右持续释放出来。

So if you take that seven hundred and fifty milligram bolus shot, like like, say, the day of your trip or something like that, you'd have roughly, like, seven hundred milligrams or so of that being being released during that following week when you're when you're on your trip.

所以

So

顺便说一下，刚才那个数字只是一个大概估算。

that that was a rough number, by the way, when

我刚才说的700毫克并不是想精确到那个程度。

I said seven hundred milligrams just now.

那根本不是想给出一个非常精确的数字。

That was not trying to be, like like, a super exact number at all.

那只是一个粗略的估算。

That was just a total rough estimate.

我只是随便说了个数字。

I just threw a number out there.

但不管怎样，我觉得你不需要提前加载测试剂之类的。

But so anyways, I don't think you have to load the test e beforehand or anything.

我想表达的是，你不需要通过打多针来大量补充测试剂。

That's what I'm trying to say is you don't have to, like, load up on the test e by taking multiple shots or something like that.

如果你注射了七百毫克的睾酮丙酸酯，然后要外出一周，最好的做法是在出发那天注射七百五十毫克的庚酸睾酮。

You're if you're if you're taking seven hundred milligrams of test probe and then you're gonna be gone for a week, the best way to take care of that would the day that you left, take a seven hundred and fifty milligram shot of testosterone enanthate.

这是处理这种情况的最佳方式。

That would be the best best way to deal with that.

好的。

Okay.

下一个问题是来自一位听众的提问，嘿。

Next question is from who asks, hey.

我有个问题想问这个播客。

I had a question for the podcast.

我即将开始我的第一个周期。

I'm about to start my first cycle.

20岁，已经举铁四年了。

20 years old, been lifting for about four years.

我青春期时就有乳腺发育。

I have gyno from puberty.

想知道这是否会让我更容易出现雌激素副作用，以及在周期中是否需要采取额外预防措施。

Curious if that will make me more predisposed to estrogenic side effects and if I should take extra precautions during my cycle.

计划是前四周每周注射250毫克睾酮恩龙，以适应注射，之后增加到每周500毫克睾酮恩龙，并每天服用30毫克德博尔。

The cycle plan is to start with two fifty mg test E weekly for four weeks to settle into pinning, then go up to five hundred mg test E weekly and toss in thirty mg deball daily.

谢谢。

Thanks.

你的播客太棒了。

Your podcast is amazing.

里面有很多非常有价值的信息。

It has some really valuable info.

谢谢，索伦。

Thanks, Soren.

是的，我认为由于几个原因，你更容易出现雌激素副作用。

Yeah, so I do think that you're going to be more susceptible to estrogen side effects for several reasons.

第一，你很年轻。

One, you're young.

在接触过大量人群、广泛年龄层后，我发现对类固醇、健美和训练感兴趣的人群年龄分布相当均匀，大约从20岁到60岁都有。

And after having worked with a really large number of people, a large cross section, and the years of people that are interested in steroids and bodybuilding and training and all that is pretty even, like, between 20 years old up to, like, 60 years old.

对健美、健身房、锻炼等感兴趣的男人，年龄分布基本是均匀的。

Like, it's a pretty even distribution of men that are interested in bodybuilding and and bodybuilding, gym, etcetera, workout.

我观察到，年纪较大的男性比年轻男性更容易控制雌激素问题。

And so what I've seen is that the older guys have less problems with estrogen than the younger guys.

这一点非常一致。

And that's fairly freaking consistent.

而且，甚至在我自己的经历中，我的身体也确实如此，我注意到自己也是如此。

It seems like and even in my own life, that's my own body, that's what I noticed in my own body too.

当我二十多岁的时候，我的一些年长朋友就告诉过我这一点。

And my older friends were telling me that before when when I was in my my mid twenties.

我有一些年长的朋友告诉我，比如，我年纪大了之后，体内产生的雌激素就变少了。

I had some older friends telling me, like, yeah, I got older and I stopped creating so much estrogen.

而且而且

And and

和

and

我当时就说，真的吗？

I was like, oh, really?

因为多年来我自己就是雌激素生成特别旺盛的那种人，你知道的，我那时得服用1500单位的睾酮之类的剂量。

Because I was I was a big estrogen create creator myself for many years where, you know, it'd take 1,500 tests or whatever I was taking.

我每天得服用2.5毫克的来曲唑，再加上每周三天服用25毫克的依西美坦之类的药物，才能控制住我的雌激素水平。

I had to be using, like, two point five milligrams of letrozole every day, and then, you know, I might take twenty five milligrams of exemestane three days per week or something like that in addition, and that would control my estrogen.

但如今，这些剂量对我来说就完全过量了。

But, you you know, these days, that would be way overkill for me.

我只需要原来那剂量的一小部分。

I I wouldn't I would only need a fraction of that.

比如说，以前一天的量，现在够我用一整周了。

Like, know, maybe maybe one day of that would be my entire week now.

所以大概是原来剂量的七分之一。

So so maybe one seventh of of the dose.

大约十年后，我可能只需要原来抗雌激素剂量的七分之一。

Like, you you know, so about ten ten years later or so, I might need only one seventh of the dose of anti estrogen that I used to need.

这挺有意思的，说明长期使用类固醇或年龄增长会影响这个机制，年轻人似乎更容易将雄激素转化为雌激素。

So that that's a that's pretty interesting how that how that works with taking steroids for longer periods of time or getting older, and guys that are younger seem to have they seem to be more prone to converting estrogens.

你说你青春期时就已经出现过男性乳房发育，说明你在这方面很敏感。

You said you've already had gyno from puberty, so you already know that you're sensitive there.

为了让你的第一次循环更轻松，我会建议你每天服用20毫克，这样可以有效抑制雌激素，避免过于剧烈的反应。

You know, for you, I would just to make things easier on your first cycle, I would consider just using twenty milligrams every day just to, like like, have your estrogen kinda blocked and make it less aggressive.

但你知道，他莫昔芬并不会让雌激素水平骤降。

And then but, you know, NOLVODEX doesn't crash your estrogen.

然后在使用诺维德克斯的同时，再配合一点芳香化酶抑制剂，或者因为你在使用DBAL，可能需要相当量的芳香化酶抑制剂。

And then using a little bit of AI in addition to the NOVODEX or maybe a decent amount of AI because you're using DBAL.

DBAL是一种非常具有雌激素活性的类固醇，你知道的，它会产生最强烈、最疯狂、最强大的雌激素。

And DBAL is, you know, like, the most estrogenic steroid, you know, with the most aggressive, crazy, powerful estrogen.

所以，你这里有几个因素叠加在一起，可能导致雌激素水平失控，变得一团糟。

So, you know, you got a few factors going on here that are combined together might be a estrogen a mess, a mess of estrogen here.

我觉得DBAL很棒。

So I I think Dee DeeBol is great.

你知道，DBAL是最有效的类固醇之一。

You know, DeeBol is one of the most powerful steroids.

对吧？

Right?

所以它经常被贬低，但那是因为人们使用不当。

So so it gets a bunch of crap, but that that's because people aren't using it right.

它是对身体产生最显著影响的类固醇之一。

It's one of the most it's one of the steroids that can have the most profound effects on your body.

它能燃脂，确实可以。

It can burn fat, it can.

而且能大幅增加肌肉质量和力量。

And it can build huge amounts of muscle mass and strength.

而且它的效力非常强。

And it it's very high firepower.

它和曲安奈德以及超级德鲁一样属于同一类类固醇。

It's in the same class of steroids as Tranbolone and Superdraw.

DBAWL 也属于最强大的类固醇类别之一。

DBAWL is also in that top most powerful classes of steroids.

如果你只服用五十毫克，持续三到四周然后停药，当然会出现那种膨胀效应——身体变得臃肿浮肿，用药期间力量有所提升。

And so if you just go on fifty milligrams for three or four weeks and then go off of it, of course, you're just gonna get this, like, swell up effect where your body gets all big and bloated and you gain some strength while you're using it.

但停药后，这些效果就消失了。

And then after you're done, it's gone.

因为这段时间根本不够用来巩固成果。

Cause that's just not enough time to consolidate gains.

而且在我看来，五十毫克实在太多了。

And also, like, fifty milligrams in my opinion is just too much.

别误会我的意思。

And don't get me wrong.

你知道，我曾经每天使用过高达一百毫克的DBAW。

You know, I've used up to a hundred milligrams per day of DBAW.

所以我总是尽量保持客观，不带偏见。

So so I'm not, I'm always trying to say things as unbiased as I can.

经过多次试验，我觉得每天服用二十毫克、十五毫克或三十毫克的DBAL才是合适的剂量，而且这些剂量非常有效。

And after experimentation, I feel like twenty milligrams, fifteen milligrams or thirty mg of DBAL is the correct dose per day, and at these doses it's very effective.

它在增肌方面非常有效，在增强力量方面也同样有效，还能带来那种额外的爆发力，让你的肌肉对举重产生强烈反应，并不断变得更强。

It's very effective at building muscle mass and it's very effective at building strength, And it adds that just that that oomph where your your muscles just respond to to lifting weights and they they want to keep getting better.

它们会持续渴望变得更强。

They want to keep getting stronger.

它真的能点燃这种激情，D球。

It really adds that spark, D ball.

但它确实会导致皮肤变厚，并且对大多数人来说雌激素转化量很大。

But it definitely does come with thicker skin and a huge amount of estrogen conversion for most.

但我想说的是，当你降低剂量时，这些问题会稍微减轻，而且另一个问题是，如果周期只有三到四周，肌肉还来不及稳定下来。

But what I'm trying to say is that when you put the dose lower, those problems are minimized a little bit, and then the other thing is that when the cycle is only three or four weeks, that's not long enough for the muscle to stick.

周期必须是这个时间的两倍。

It's got to be double that.

必须持续六到八周。

It's got to be six to eight weeks.

每天服用十五到三十毫克的Deep Ball，持续六到八周，效果非常好。

Six to eight weeks at fifteen to thirty milligrams per day of Deep Ball works fantastic.

好的。

All right.

让我确认一下，我是否回答了你所有的问题。

So let me make sure I answered everything for your question.

我觉得你的周期安排得很好。

I I I think your cycle sounds good.

你将先使用250毫克的睾酮，然后是500毫克的睾酮，之后再加入D球。

You're going to be doing first two fifty test, then 500 test, then you're gonna toss in d ball along with that.

一定要记住我们之前讨论过的雌激素副作用，因为你可能需要应对这些问题。

Just make sure that the estrogen side effect info that we went over is on your mind because you might have to be dealing with that.

克里斯问：嘿，丹。

Chris asks, hey, Dan.

很喜欢这个播客。

Love the podcast.

我二十岁出头到中期的时候训练很刻苦，后来有了孩子，现在我37岁了。

I used to train hard in my early to mid twenties, had kids, and here I am at 37.

我开始每周注射200毫克睾酮，同时服用2.5毫克的替泽帕肽，体重250磅。

Started on test SIP two hundred milligrams per week and at two point five milligrams tirzepatide at two hundred and fifty pounds.

做完血液检查后，我的总睾酮水平是192纳克/分升。

After getting blood work done on total test, I was at one ninety two nanograms per deciliter total test.

好的。

Okay.

所以你睾酮水平偏低，但你知道，你也在用替泽帕肽，而且我觉得你还在节食。

So you you had a low testosterone, but, you know, you're on tirzepatide too, and, and you'd also been dieting, I I think.

对吧？

Right?

但好吧。

But okay.

这些因素如果你是自然状态的话，都可能影响你的睾酮水平，不过让我继续读你的内容。

Those are just both things that might affect your testosterone levels if you're natural, but let let me keep on reading your thing.

他说，克里斯说，我节食已经第二周了。

He says, Chris Chris says, I'm at week two of my diet.

好吧。

Okay.

所以这是新情况。

So this is new.

他是新人，刚开始用二百毫克睾酮和二点五毫克替泽帕肽。

He's he's on he's, he's new, starting on the two hundred test and the two point five milligrams tirzepatide.

他说他已经减到245磅，并且能明显看到腹部脂肪的变化。

And, he says he's down to two hundred forty five pounds and can see a difference in belly fat.

我服用SSRI抗抑郁药已经一年了，现在正试图逐渐停药，因为出现了脑雾，而且发现我的睾酮水平正在下降。

I've been on an SSRI antidepressant for one year, which I'm trying to wean off due to brain fog and realizing my testosterone is taking a hit.

计划两周后做血液检查，检测胆固醇、肝功能和雌二醇水平。

Plan on blood work in two weeks for cholesterol, liver, and estradiol.

第一次使用600毫克丙酸睾酮和300到400毫克普里莫，持续十周，之后再回到200毫克睾酮，这样的方案好吗？还是应该先降低体重再开始第一次循环？

Does a first cycle of maybe six hundred test c and three to four hundred milligrams primo sound like a good ten week cycle and back to two hundred milligrams test for a while, or should I get my body weight down more before first cycle?

好的。

Okay.

如果你现在正在节食，那就继续坚持。

When if if you're if you're dieting right now, keep doing that.

明白吗？

Okay?

继续坚持，因为我觉得如果你体重255磅且一直是自然状态，那体重大概过高了，体脂率也可能太高。

Keep doing that because I think at two hundred fifty five pounds, if you've been natural, you know, it's it's too much body weight, and your body fat's probably too high.

所以继续节食，同时使用替泽帕肽和睾酮，效果会非常好。

So keep dieting down and using tirzepatide while you're dieting along with testosterone is gonna be great.

这会让你的节食过程好很多，因为你知道，自然节食很糟糕，因为它确实会让你的睾酮水平下降。

That's gonna make dieting a lot better for you because, you know, dieting natural is shitty because, yes, it makes your testosterone get low.

节食结束后，你的睾酮水平会变得很低，这是肯定的。

You end up with low testosterone at the end of your diet, totally.

而且，另一个问题是，你会流失大量肌肉。

And, then the the other thing is that you you lose a lot of muscle.

你会流失大量肌肉。

You lose a lot of muscle.

自然节食时，你的力量也会大幅下降。

You lose a lot of strength when you're dieting natural.

所以，当你开始使用任何药物时，最大的变化之一就是，你不再处于自我饥饿状态，身体也不会因此减少睾酮的产生。

And so that's one of the big things that changes when you start taking any gear at all because now you don't have this thing where you're starving yourself and your body responds by creating less testosterone.

现在你的体内有了一个稳定的睾酮水平。

Now you've got a set level of testosterone in you.

所以，只要你正在使用200毫克的TestCip和2.5毫克的tirzepatide，你不妨就维持这个状态一段时间。

So just being on the two hundred milligrams of TestCip and the two point five milligrams of tirzepatide, you might want to just ride that out.

比如说，你是个身高五英尺十一英寸的男性。

And, like like, say you're a guy let let's say you're five five foot eleven.

就是那种情况。

That that's something like that.

我只是猜的，你知道，大概255磅。

I'm just guessing, you know, two hundred fifty five pounds.

你可能会降到200磅左右。

You'd probably around two hundred pounds.

那样的话，你会看起来很精瘦，有线条，身材很好。

That would probably be where you'd be look looking looking trim looking trim and having lines, good shape.

我可能会在200毫克TestCip的基础上再减到那个体重，然后计划之后进行第一个周期。

And I'd probably go down to there on the 200 test SIP, and then and then plan to do a first cycle after that.

然后再加上600毫克TestC和400毫克Primo，你说的是十周周期，但我会做十六周。

And and then throwing in, the the 600 test c and 400 Primo for you know, you said ten week cycle, but I'd go sixteen weeks.

我觉得十六周更好。

I think sixteen weeks is better.

我觉得长时期才能长出稳固的肌肉，这些肌肉可以在每个周期之间持续积累。

I think it takes a long time to put on solid muscle that sticks that you can build on from cycle to cycle.

我觉得这需要很长时间。

I think it takes a long time.

所以我觉得长周期比短周期更好。

So I think longer cycles are better than short cycles.

我支持长周期。

I'm a fan of long cycles.

所以，在你完成周期后，可以回到巡航剂量的200毫克TestCip，并继续使用。

So the so then after after you're done with your cycle, you can go back to your cruise 200 test And, yeah, can continue on.

听起来是个不错的计划。

It sounds like a good plan.

我觉得你这个计划很好。

Sounds like a good plan to me that you're on.

听起来是你健身旅程中一条很好的路径。

Sounds like a good good path of the fitness journey you're going on.

好的。

Alright.

下一个问题。

Next question.

乔伊问：嘿，丹。

Joey asks, hey, Dan.

很喜欢这个播客。

Love the podcast.

我40岁，身高五英尺十英寸，体重230磅，这是使用前的体重。

I'm 40 years old, five foot ten, two hundred and thirty pounds, pre cycle weight.

这是我第一次使用循环，我每天都在服用Superdraw。

This is my first cycle ever, and I'm taking Superdraw daily.

我看到了立竿见影且令人印象深刻的效果，但十天内胖了七磅。

I'm seeing immediate, impressive results, but gained seven pounds in ten days.

我不是想变得特别大块。

I'm not trying to be huge.

我只是想看起来更好看。

I just want to look good.

我害怕做检查、打针，或者任何会影响我雌激素的东西。

I'm scared to do tests or needles or anything that will fuck with my estrogen.

我知道这对肝脏负担很重。

I know it's hard on the liver.

我正在服用TUDCA以及一大堆维生素和补充剂。

I'm taking TUDCA and a plethora of vitamins and subs.

但叠加Winstrol有助于减脂吗？你有什么建议？

But would stacking Winstrel help cut, or what do you suggest?

好的。

Okay.

所以你身高五英尺十英寸，开始前体重230磅，这是你第一次使用SupraDraw进行周期。

So five foot ten, pre 30, two thirty, and your first cycle taking SupraDraw.

而且，听起来你现在只是单独使用这个，因为你害怕打针，所以也不做检测。

And yeah, it sounds like you're taking that alone for right now because you're worried about needles, so not taking tests.

当你刚开始使用这些强效类固醇，尤其是像SupraDraw这样的药物时，就会发生这种情况。

And that's what happens when you first start taking these really powerful steroids, especially one like Superdraw.

在使用它的第一周，你的肌肉现在具备了更强的储存能量和潜在力量的能力。

The first week of being on it, your muscles now have an enhanced ability to store up fuel, to store up potential force.

因此，使用类固醇或看起来像在使用类固醇的一个重要表现，就是类固醇赋予肌肉的外观——除了帮助你增长肌纤维外，血液中存在类固醇对你的外表还有一个主要影响：它们让肌肉吸收大量额外的能量，而这些能量主要是碳水化合物，转化为糖原。

And so a big part of being on steroids or looking like you're on steroids is the look that the steroids give your muscles because they make you get this, in addition to helping you grow muscle fiber, a major effect on your appearance of having steroids in your blood is that they make your muscles take in all this extra fuel and along with that's mostly carbohydrates that fuels glycogen.

当这些能量进入时，水分也会进入肌肉，而肌肉中的水分就是肌肉的一部分。

And when that comes in, water comes into the muscle too, and water inside the muscle is muscle.

它完全不是那种松垮的脂肪感。

It it's it's not it's it's not it's it's not like blubbery at all.

你知道吗？

You know?

当你肌肉处于水合状态时，肌肉就会显得更饱满、更大。

When you've got a hydrated muscle, then that the muscle is just more volumized and big.

所以你注意到，在开始使用周期的十天内体重增加了七磅，这是因为你的身体突然间，所有肌肉都获得了储存碳水化合物和水分的新能力。

And so what you're noticing that with gaining seven pounds in ten days to start your cycle is that your body, all of a sudden, all your muscles have this changed ability to store carbohydrates and water inside of them.

所以你正在迅速膨胀。

And so you're you're, you're blowing up.

我肯定你在镜子里也看到了。

And I'm sure that you you saw in the mirror.

我肯定你也看到了，因为这就是Supradrol的特点，你知道的。

I'm sure that you saw that too because that that's how Supradrol is, you know.

服用Supradrol三周后，天啊，一个人的外表会完全变样。

Three weeks of taking Supradrol, man, you can have a guy looking completely different.

三周内，一个人的外表就能完全变样。

In three weeks, you can have a guy looking completely different.

这种东西起效的速度简直难以置信。

It is just just unbelievable how fast that stuff works.

所以，别担心体重增加，因为这种情况不会一直持续下去。

So, anyways, don't worry about the weight gain because that's not gonna continue like that.

你知道，你不需要担心三十天后又每十天增重七磅，现在总共增了二十八磅之类的。

You you know, you don't have to worry about, you know, thirty days from now having gained another seven pounds per ten days, and now you're up 28 pounds or something like that.

现在体重增长会稳定下来了。

It's going to level off now.

就是这样。

So that's how it is.

当你开始使用睾酮时，你知道，第一周你就会发现别人注意到：‘哎，我好像突然胖了十磅。’

And when you go on testosterone too, you know, the first week that you're on testosterone, you're gonna know people notice, oh, you know, I I just gained 10 pounds.

所以当你加入DBAL时，情况也类似。

So it's it's a similar thing when you when you add in DBAL.

即使你只是添加了它，也会增重一些。

When you even when you add in, you you gain some weight.

因为所有这些能增加肌肉体积或带来肌肉更圆润外观的类固醇，都会提高肌肉的储存能力，因此体重会随之略微上升。

Because because any of these steroids that increase that volumizing of the muscle or they give that cosmetic effect where the the muscle gets more round, they they all are increasing the amount of storage that your muscles can do, and so weight goes up with that a little bit.

好的。

Okay.

所以你知道，你不想服用任何会转化为雌激素的物质，你说过，也不想打睾酮，因为不想用针头。

So you know, you're you don't want to take anything that has any estrogen conversion, you were saying, and you don't you don't want to do tests because no needles.

明白吗？

Okay?

但如果真是这样，你得现实一点，你只是在随意尝试类固醇，因为如果不使用一些具有雌激素作用的类固醇，你不可能获得持久的显著增肌效果。

So so if it's like that though, you have to be realistic with what you're doing is that you're just dabbling with steroids because you won't be able to get big gains without using some estrogenic steroids, big gains that stick with you for a long time.

你知道，类固醇的一个特点是，你必须长期使用，才能维持并持续提升效果。

You know, Because one of the things about steroids is that you gotta be on them most of the time in order to be keeping the results from them and building on the results from them.

它们并不是那种传说中的东西——比如只做一个周期，然后就能一辈子保持那些成果。

They're not something where, like, this kind of myth that you can, like, go on for one cycle and then, like, you just, like, keep those gains or something for the rest of your life.

就像，停药后，体型立刻就会发生变化。

Like, that goes off cycle looks different immediately when they go off cycle.

明白吗？

Okay?

就是这么回事。

That's the thing.

你必须长期使用类固醇，才能维持类固醇带来的效果。

The steroids, you have to be on the steroids most of the time in order to keep the results from the steroids.

而且，你知道，如果你体内没有雌激素，你的大脑就无法正常运作，因为大脑需要雌激素才能正常功能。

And, you know, if you have no estrogen in your body, then your brain won't work right because your brain must have estrogen in order to function correctly.

所以，即使是像性欲这样的方面，如果你的雌激素水平严重下降，比如只使用非芳香化类固醇，性欲也会大幅降低。

And so even, like, stuff like your libido, you you know, because, if your estrogen is crashed, for example, or you take only nonaromatizing steroids, it it can make your libido go way down.

我记得有一次，我刚接触类固醇时，只用了普维林、温斯特伦和马斯特龙。

I remember one time I took only this is when I was very new to steroids.

我只用了普维林、温斯特伦和马斯特龙，结果性欲直接降为零。

I took only Provirin, Winstrel, and Mastron, and my libido went to zero.

这让我很意外，但这是因为我的体内完全没有雌激素。

And that was pretty unexpected, but that's because I had no, no estrogen at all.

雌激素对男性性欲至关重要。

And the the the estrogen is essential, for male libido.

所以，我认为如果你完全不使用任何具有雌激素作用的类固醇，你是不可能感觉正常的。

So I don't think that you'll you'll be able to feel normal if you don't use any estrogenic steroids.

现在，你不一定非得用睾酮，但你必须用DBAL来替代。

Now, you don't have to use testosterone, but you you you would have to use DBAL as a replacement.

如果你每天服用五毫克DBAL，这已经是极低的剂量，也能让你体内获得足够维持正常功能的雌激素。

And if you took, like, five milligrams of DBAL per day, which is a very low dose of DBAL per day, that would give you the estrogen in your body that you would need for everything to function normally.

所以，这就需要我们所说的激素替代疗法。

So there would be need to be you know, what we call that is like hormone hormone replacement.

你需要一种能与5α还原酶相互作用并转化为更强效神经类固醇的激素。

You need, like, a hormone in your body that can interact with the five alpha reductase enzyme and turn into a neurosteroid, like, that is more powerful.

比如二氢睾酮。

So like a dihydrotestosterone.

而你所服用的这种类固醇，还必须能够与芳香化酶相互作用，转化为雌激素，才能被视为适合激素替代的物质。

And then that steroid that you're taking also needs to be able to interact with the aromatase enzyme and and turn into an estrogen in order to be considered suitable for hormone replacement.

在口服类固醇中，DBAL是最适合用于激素替代的，每天5到15毫克的DBAL就能相当有效地实现这一目的。

And so of of the orals, d DBAL is is the best for hormone replacement, and anywhere between five to fifteen milligrams of DBAL per day can be used for that pretty effectively.

所以我说，如果你打算认真投入健美，而现在你只用口服药、不做睾酮周期，那就得考虑这一点。

So I'm saying consider that if you're planning on being real serious with this with with the with the with the bodybuilding because you're doing no test cycles right now with just orals.

好的。

Okay.

所以回到你刚才的问题，你说Supragil对肝脏负担很大，因此你正在服用TUDCA以及多种维生素和补充剂。

So to get back on to your question, you were you were saying you know that the Supragil is hard hard on the liver, and so you're taking TUDCA and a plethora of vitamins and subs.

好的。

Okay.

很好。

Good.

不错。

That's good.

但使用Winstrol叠加会不会有助于减脂？你有什么建议？

But would stacking Winstrel help cut, or what do you suggest?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，它确实有效。

I mean, it does.

你知道，把Winstrel和Superdrol一起使用效果非常好。

You know, stacking Winstrel with Superdrol is really good.

对我来说，让我获得非常夸张的健美体型的组合之一，就是Supadraw、Winstraw和Anadraw三者同时使用。

And for me, one of the combos that really worked good for me for getting a wild bodybuilding look was Supadraw stacked with Winstraw stacked with Anadraw, all three going at the same time.

这真的、真的对我很有效。

That really, really worked for me.

而且，你知道，没错，我的意思是，这真的对我特别管用。

And and and, you know, yeah, I mean, that just fucking worked for me.

所以我认为，把Winstraw叠加使用会有帮助。

And so I do think that, you know, stacking the Winstraw would help.

但你知道，Superdrawal本身就已经很不错了。

But, you know, the Superdrawal is already good.

Superdrawal本身就已经很不错了。

The Superdrawal is already good.

你单用这个可能就已经做得很好了。

You're probably doing great on that alone.

但是，如果你在那基础上再加50毫克的Winstraw，我觉得效果会更强。

But, yeah, you know, if you add in fifty milligrams of Winstraw in addition to that, I think you'll get some more firepower.

而且，Winstraw对于减脂确实很棒。

And, yes, Winstraw is great for cutting.

好的。

Alright.

我们继续下一个问题。

Let's get on to the next question.

Andrew问了我一个之前的问题，关于为了提升性欲而将Mastron与TRT结合使用。

Andrew asks, I asked a while ago about incorporating Mastron with TRT for libido purposes only.

当我进行TRT或大剂量睾酮时，性欲并不高，阴茎的表现也远不如我使用DHT衍生物时。

When running TRT or high dose test, I do not have a high libido, and my dick doesn't work nearly as well as when I incorporate a DHT derivative.

我之前用过Mastron，但一周前换成了Provirin。

I ran Mastron for a while and switched to Provirin a week ago.

现在的性生活质量简直爆表。

The sex I have is through the roof.

我知道标准答案是做血液检查，但我希望你能分享一下你对每天服用25到50毫克Provirin以改善性功能的看法。

I know the textbook answer is get blood work, but I was hoping you could provide some insight into your thoughts on running twenty five to fifty milligrams a day of Provirin for sexual function.

好的。

Okay.

这挺有意思的。

So that's funny.

那条消息确实有点搞笑。

That was kind of a funny message.

你知道，不同的人对不同的类固醇反应不同。

You know, different people respond different to different steroids.

Mastron基本上是Provirin的注射版本，但两种激素之间有极其微小的差异。

So Mastron is basically an injectable version of Provirin, but there is very slight difference to to the the hormone.

差异非常小，但它们几乎完全相同。

Very slight difference to it, but it's it's almost identical.

你可能对这种差异比较敏感，或者你上次用的Masteron质量不好，又或者你当时周期里还有其他因素没想起来——比如其他激素或药物在影响Masteron或其他你使用的物质，从而影响了你的性欲。

And you may have some kind of sensitivity to that, or maybe you've got some shitty master on or something like that, or maybe something else was happening in your cycle last time that you're you're maybe maybe not thinking of right now, and you had some other hormones going on that were interacting with it or whatever and or some other medications going on that were interacting with the masteron or something else you were using that were affecting your libido.

因为通常来说，对Provirin有良好性欲提升的人，对Mastron也会有良好的性欲提升，你知道吧？

Because normally, somebody that got a good libido increase from Provirin would also get a good libido increase from Mastron because you know?

而且，通常Mastron更强效。

And, usually, Mastron is stronger.

所以，你的情况正好和通常的反应相反。

So, you know, you got the opposite effect of normal where of typical.

我不该说‘正常’。

I shouldn't say normal.

你的反应和典型情况相反，Provirin对你来说比Mastron更能刺激性欲。

You got the opposite effect of what is typical, and you you got Provirin being a stronger libido stimulant than than Mastron for you.

通常情况下，Mastron才是更强的那个。

Typically, Mastron is is the stronger one.

但你知道，你是在问，能不能因为喜欢就大量使用Provirin？

But, you you know, you're asking, can you I think you're asking, can you use Provirin a lot because you like it.

你之前问过关于每天服用25到50毫克Provirin来提升性功能的看法，这其实正是它主要的用途，对吧？

So you said thoughts on running twenty five to fifty milligrams a day of Provirin for sexual function, and that's pretty much what like what it's used for, you know?

对于Mastron来说，情况也是一样的。

And and that's the same it goes with the same thing for Mastron too.

人们使用这些东西，主要是因为它能提升性欲和改善性功能。

Like people wanna use this stuff because it increases your libido and for like sexual functions.

它在健美方面的应用非常有限。

It has very limited bodybuilding application.

Provirin和Mastron确实有一些健美用途，但非常有限。

There's some bodybuilding application to to these Provirin and Mastron, but but it's it's limited.

所以你得记住，通常人们什么时候会使用Mastron呢？

And but so so you have you have to keep in mind that, you know, like when do when when does somebody, you know, typically use Mastron?

当他们在减脂期的时候。

Well, when they're cutting.

你知道的。

You know?

你可能会说，哦，好吧。

And and you you might say like, oh, okay.

那是因为这是一种减脂药之类的药物。

Well, that's because it's a cutting drug or something like that.

不管那到底是什么意思。

Whatever the hell that means.

但不是的。

But no.

不是的。

No.

原因是，当人们在减脂时，性欲会下降，伙计。

The reason is because people lose their libidos when they're on a cut, man.

当你在严格节食减脂时，你的性欲就会消失。

When you're on a cut and you're dieting hard, your libido goes away.

你的性冲动都没了。

Your sex drive is gone.

明白吗？

Okay?

而马斯卡龙是一种能强烈刺激性欲的物质。

And mascarron is a big stimulant of the libido.

明白吗？

Okay?

所以你在节食时服用它，可以帮助避免这种副作用。

So you take that when you're dieting, and it helps keep that side effect away.

通常，健美运动员都不希望在节食时性欲低下。

And usually, bodybuilders are guys that that don't wanna have their their sex drive low while they're dieting.

他们通常会使用类固醇，习惯于保持高水平的睾酮性欲，因此即使在节食期间也希望能维持这种状态。

Usually, they take steroids, and they're used to having a high test sex drive, and they want it to be that way all the time, including when dieting.

这揭示了一些健美运动员的心理。

Some insights into the bodybuilder's mind.

你可以长期服用普维林，这就是原因。

You can take Provirin for an extended period of time, and this is why.

普维林在化学结构上与其他口服类固醇并不相同。

Provirin is not the same chemically as other oral steroids.

它不含有17α-烷基化结构，而这种结构会使其他物质具有肝毒性。

It does not have the 17 alpha alkylation property to it that makes it, liver toxic.

它具有不同的分子结构，能够通过身体并被吸收，而不会被肝脏破坏。

It's got a different molecule that allows it to pass through the body and get absorbed without being destroyed by the liver.

而且，这个物质并不具有毒性。

That and this this is not toxic.

Provirin 对肝脏没有毒性。

Provirin is not toxic to the liver.

Provirin 被设计用于治疗患有抑郁症和性欲低下70岁男性，而在其药品说明书中，并未提及需要周期性使用，即使是药用级产品也是如此。

Provirin is supposed to be prescribed to 70 year old men who have depression and low libido, And there there's no information about cycling it in the package insert when you have it pharmaceutical grade.

它只说明需要服用。

It just says to take take it.

说明书中建议每天服用一到三粒。

Take between one to three per day is what it says.

所以，是的。

And and, so so yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当然，你可以检查一下相关的血液指标之类的。

You can, of course, check your blood work on it or something like that.

如果你打算长期使用，比如全年无休，那就确保一切正常。

Make sure make sure everything's good with it if you're gonna be using it, you know, long term, like, year round or something like that.

但一般来说，像每天25毫克这样的剂量，Provirin基本上可以长期使用。

But generally, yeah, it it's something that at, like, twenty five milligrams per day or something like that, it can just mostly be used indefinitely, Provirin.

好的。

Alright.

下一个问题。

Next question.

Clay问：嘿，Dan。

Clay asks, hey, Dan.

希望你一切顺利。

I hope you're doing great.