与朱莉·本茨的信仰之旅，以及贾德和詹森的惊喜亮相（第一季第12集）

那是很多很多很多

It was many, many, many

很多次了。

Many moves.

很多年前的事了。

Many years ago.

那真是好多好多年了。

That's a lot that's a lot of years.

你这次来之前有没有回去重新看那集？

Did you go back and rewatch the episode in advance of this?

我我不得不看。

I I had to.

是的。

Yes.

因为那也是很多很多很多工作之前的事了。

Because it was many, many, many, many jobs ago too.

当然。

Absolutely.

你知道，要把这些都理清楚挺难的。

You know, it's hard to keep it all straight.

所以，是的，我昨天真的看了。

So, yes, I actually watched it yesterday.

你知道，像那种类型剧，比如超自然题材，它往往比像《道森的小溪》或者普通的日常剧更能经得起时间的考验。

You know, when you're in a, like, a genre show, like a supernatural, it tends to hold up better over time than say like a Dawson's Creek or just a regular everyday show.

因为它的主题更宏大、更普世，也更容易让人产生共鸣。

It's because the themes are bigger and more universal and more relatable as well.

尤其是《信仰》那一集，它探讨的是你相信什么？

Especially the episode Faith, it deals with what do you believe in?

你有没有信仰？

Do you have faith or do you don't have faith?

我觉得这是一个普世的主题，几个世纪以来人们一直在为此挣扎，未来我们也会继续质疑，这有助于这部剧经久不衰。

And I think that's a universal theme that people have struggled with over time through centuries and centuries and centuries, and we will continue to question in the future that helps the show hold up over time.

我是第一次看这部剧。

I'm watching it for the first time.

我们后来才加入这个节目，现在第一次体验第一季。

We were on the show, but later, and we're experiencing this first season for the first time.

我也发现了这一点。

And I'm finding that too.

它真的经得起时间的考验。

It really holds up well.

而且它……

And it...

因为它的……

Because of its...

这部剧的性质有点像连续剧，你知道，每周一个怪物那种，对。

The nature of the show being kind of a serial show, you know, monster of the week kind of thing, and Mhmm.

Sam和Dean几乎就像超级英雄，我也这么觉得。

Sam and Dean really being almost like the superheroes, I find that too.

确实是这样。

It it does.

对。

It Yeah.

从主题上看，它依然很耐看。

Thematically, it holds up.

那现在让我们坐上时光机。

So now get get in the way back machine.

把自己带回很久以前。

Take yourself way back.

很久以前。

Way back.

我们要回到《邪恶力量》第一季。

We're gonna go back to season one, supernatural.

你接到这个角色的时候，知道这部剧吗？

Did you know about the show when you got cast to do it?

你听说过这部剧吗？

Have you ever heard of it?

我觉得我听说过。

I think I had heard of it.

很大程度上是因为，你知道，我一直努力回想。

And a lot of it's because, you know, I I just keep trying to remember.

我记得我拍过这部剧。

I think I did the show.

时间正好。

It was right.

我刚拍完《嗜血法医》的试播集，但还没确定拍成剧集。

I had just done the Dexter pilot, but we hadn't gone to series yet.

所以我们刚杀青。

So we had just wrapped.

《天使》也刚杀青。

Angel had just wrapped as well.

所以那时候CW电视台的那些剧，都还在我关注的范围内。

So was like The CW, all of that was still in my my wheelhouse of shows to follow and watch.

所以我对这个剧是知道的，还看过几集。

And so it was something that I was aware of, and I had watched a couple episodes.

所以我其实……

So I was actually...

我记得那是一个直接给我的邀约，那是我最早收到的直接邀约之一。

I recall it was a direct offer, which was one of the first direct offers I had ever had.

不错。

Nice.

我当时真的非常受宠若惊。

I was very deeply flattered

有人直接给我这个角色，我当然说，必须接啊。

That I was offered the role and said, hell, yes.

那当然。

Darn right.

这总是让它更有吸引力。

That always makes it more appealing.

没错。

Darn right.

你还记得和Jared、Jensen一起工作的时候吗？他们在片场对你怎么样？

Do you do you remember working with Jared and Jensen and how they were with you on set?

天哪。

Oh my god.

我是说，他们太迷人了，不是吗？

I mean, they're so dreamy, aren't they?

他们确实很迷人。

They are.

我经常听到这种话。

I get it all the time.

他们是超级迷人的男孩。

Are dreamy, dreamy, dreamy boys.

他们人特别好，特别可爱。

They they were so sweet, so lovely.

我记得当时的环境条件……

I remember the conditions were...

我本来想说很极端，但如果你住在温哥华，其实也不算极端。

I'm gonna say extreme, but really not extreme if you live in Vancouver.

我们只是下了很多雨。

We just had a lot of rain.

我正想问这个呢。

I was gonna ask about that.

每个场景都是倾盆大雨。

Every every scene is a torrential downpour.

每个场景真的就像……

Every scene is literally like...

所以Rob和我在开始这次采访之前就聊过这个。

So Rob and I were talking about this before we started this interview.

那些老人去复兴教堂的特写镜头，就是拄着助行器的人在六英寸深的泥里走。

The close ups of the elderly going to the the revival church is like people with their walkers in six inches of mud.

而且那泥特别恶心。

And super disgusting mud.

我觉得，制作方安排教堂复兴活动的那一周，正好赶上整周暴雨，这计划可能不太周全。

I mean, it was probably poor planning on production's part to do a church revival the week it's going to have a massive rainstorm all week.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

所以，我就把那叫做极端条件。

So, I I call those extreme conditions.

但我来自洛杉矶，所以这就是原因。

But I'm from Los Angeles, so that's why.

我不是洛杉矶本地人，但在那里住了很久。

I'm not from LA, but I've lived in LA for a very long time.

所以对我来说，那确实算极端。

That's why it was extreme for me.

他们人特别好，特别友善。

So they were very sweet, very kind.

然后我还记得他们对即将开始的节目旅程有多兴奋，而且他们真的在考虑长远发展。

And then I just remember how excited they were too about the journey they were embarking on with the show and really how they were thinking long term.

他们不太担心短期的问题。

They weren't so worried about short term issues.

他们真的在考虑长远。

They were really thinking like long term.

我记得当时心里想，哇，这个节目会持续很久，因为这两位主演，他们在镜头内外的化学反应都非常棒。

I remember thinking to myself, wow, this show's going to like last a long time because these two leads, like they, the chemistry between the two of them on an off screen is phenomenal.

我在那里的时候，他们对每个人都特别好，但你能看出来他们心里在想，他们就是相信这个节目。

When I was there, they treated everybody super kind, but you could tell they were thinking like they just believed in it.

他们相信他们会走得很远。

They believed like we're going the long haul.

我不知道他们是否预料到会持续这么久。

I don't know if they believed they were going to go as long as did.

十五年、二十年，差不多那样？

Fifteen fifteen some years, twenty years, something like that?

十五年。

Fifteen.

但他们就是相信。

But they just believed it.

而且他们的能量很有感染力。

And and their energy is infectious.

确实是这样。

It really is.

确实是这样。

It really is.

听到他们第一季就是这样，真不错。

That's cool to hear that they was like that even season one.

他们当时就是这样。

They were like that.

是的，他们就是那样。

They were.

而且，你知道，很多时候你去上节目，人们会说，我不知道这能不能成。

And, you know, so many times you go on shows and people are like, I don't know if it's gonna work.

我不知道。

I don't know.

你会听到各种怀疑的声音。

You hear all the doubts.

你需要……

You need...

这些……

These...

他们却说，对。

They were like, yes.

就是它了。

This is it.

就是说，这个，你知道的

Like, this is, you know

那真是……

That's...

而且他们是对的。

And they were right.

没错。

That's right.

结果证明。

Turns out.

而且他们是对的。

And they were right.

所以你的起源故事，显然，你有一份非常令人印象深刻的履历。

So your origin story, obviously, you have an incredibly impressive resume.

在那个时候，你也是。

At at that point, you did as well.

但你来自……

But you're from...

你原本不是好莱坞家庭出身。

Originally, you're not a Hollywood family.

你不是来自娱乐世家。

You're not from an entertainment family.

你算是通过老派的方式，就是上学学习那种路子进入这行的。

You you kinda came at it through the old fashioned go to school and learn about it kinda way.

所以，对。

So Yeah.

我们这里记了一个细节……

We have a detail written down here in our...

你可以确认或者否认。

You get to confirm or deny it.

我们听说你15岁学习的时候，有人劝你放弃。

We we were told that when you were 15 studying, that you were told to to give it up.

好像说我当时有个广告什么的。

Like, that you had an ad I was.

那到底是怎么回事？

So what what was that story?

我当时确实有。

I was.

那个笨蛋是谁？

And who was that idiot?

那是十六岁时候的事了，不过没关系。

So that's, 16, the years off, but that's okay.

真是的，罗伯。

Damn it, Rob.

我去了卡内基梅隆那个暑期大型戏剧项目，他们夏天提供的。

I went to that Carnegie Mellon big college theater program that they they offered in the summer.

你知道，我在匹兹堡长大，所以卡内基梅隆对我们来说是个很牛的学校。

And, you know, I grew up in Pittsburgh, so Carnegie Mellon was like a big school for us.

而且它也是全国排名前十的戏剧系之一。

And it also is one of the top 10 theater departments in the country.

所以它非常受尊敬。

So it's highly respected.

卡内基梅隆出了很多大人物。

Big, big people have come out of Carnegie Mellon.

总之，我在那里参加了他们的大学预科暑期项目，有一位声音老师，你知道，不是唱歌，而是说话的声音老师，在暑期结束时，你会收到手写的评语。

So anyway, was there for their pre college summer program and there was this voice teacher who, you know, voice, not singing, but you know, speaking voice teacher who just at the end of the summer, you get these handwritten evaluations.

她说，你永远成不了演员。

She was like, you're never going to make it as an actor.

你的声音很糟糕。

Your voice is terrible.

你干脆别试了。

You might as well like not even try.

这才对嘛。

That's the spirit.

顺便说一下，我还留着那封信。

I still have it, by the way.

我还留着它。

I still have it.

真的吗？

Really?

在我的车库里，还有我的……

My garage and like my.

她写了

She wrote

那些话。

that down.

那是在一封信里。

That was like in a letter.

说我不应该专业从事表演。

That I should not pursue acting professionally.

哇。

Wow.

事情是这样的，我们在那个暑期项目期间，匹兹堡市有一部电影正在选角，他们需要一些青少年，有些有台词，有些做背景，卡内基梅隆大学从大学预科项目中推荐了几名学生去参加那部电影的试镜。

And the thing was was while we were there during that summer program, there was this movie being cast in the city of Pittsburgh, and they were looking for teenagers and some for speaking parts and some for background and Carnegie Mellon submitted a handful of students from the pre college program for that movie.

我不是其中之一。

I was not one of them.

卡内基梅隆没有推荐我。

I was not submitted through Carnegie Mellon.

我有一个模特经纪人，我的模特经纪人推荐了我，我去参加了，我去是为了当背景演员，导演达里奥·阿基多，导演达里奥·阿基多，他说，你英语说得不多，但，我要用糟糕的意大利口音说。

I had a modeling agent and my modeling agent submitted me and I went in and I went in to be a background actor and the director, Darri Argento, the director Darri Argento And he said, you didn't speak much English, but and I'm going to do a terrible Italian accent.

但他说，你跟我来。

But he said, you come come with me.

所以我妈妈和我站起来，和他一起走进他的办公室，他说，你想出演我的电影吗？

So my mother and I get up and we go into his office room with him and he's like, do you want to be in my movie?

我说，是的。

And I said, Yes.

他说，不不不不不。

And he goes, No, no, no, no, no.

你想不想演我的电影？

Do you want to be in my movie?

我说，当然想啊，我当然想演你的电影。

And I said, Yes, of course, I want to be in your movie.

他说，好，不错。

He goes, Okay, good.

他说，现在从房间这边走过去。

He goes, Now walk across the room.

我就走过去了。

I walked.

他说，现在走回来。

He goes, Now walk back.

我又走回来了。

And I walked back.

然后他说，你会出现在我的电影里。

And he goes, you are going to be in my movie.

你要扮演贝蒂这个角色。

You are going to play the role of Betty.

贝蒂有五句台词。

And Betty had five lines.

所以我得到了这个角色，而卡内基梅隆大学本来是想找那些他们认为有才华的人来演的。

So I got this part that Carnegie Mellon was trying to cast with like this, know, and just people that they thought were talented.

不知怎么我就得到了……

Somehow I got...

总之，这事有点争议，我觉得挺傻的。

Anyway, it was kind of controversial, I thought was silly.

我是说，这挺疯狂的，我觉得这就是为什么那个老师不太喜欢我。

Mean, but it was this crazy thing, and and I think that's why the teacher was, like, not a fan.

而且我还为了拍电影缺了不少课。

And then I had to miss a bunch of classes too to shoot the movie.

所以……

So...

因为我有很多场戏要拍……

Because I had a bunch of scenes on...

虽然我只有五句台词，但我有很多场戏。

Even though I had five lines, I had a bunch of scenes.

这个老师是在你被选中出演之后告诉你的吗？

This teacher told you that after you got cast in

那部电影。

that movie.

这个谜团越来越有意思了，因为真的挺奇怪的。

This this mystery keeps getting unraveled here because it's really weird to go.

事情是这样的。

Here's the story.

我跟你说实话吧，学生朱莉·本兹，年轻的朱莉·本兹。

I'm gonna be honest with you, student Julie Benz, young Julie Benz.

这些不是我

These are not I

我觉得你没有在电影行业成功的条件。

don't think you have what it takes to make it in the movie business.

你太忙于拍电影了，都没时间来上我的课。

You're too busy working in the movie business to to attend my classes.

而且我觉得……

And I don't think...

如果你……

If you're...

如果……

If...

听我说。

Look.

专注一点。

Keep your eyes on the ball.

如果你想进入电影行业，就来上我的课。

If you wanted to be in the movie business, come to my class.

如果你不想，那就去做电影吧。

If you don't, then go do the movies.

这是你的选择。

It's it's your call.

不过，顺便说一下

But but by the way

你可以

You can

两者兼顾。

both.

那些大学就是这样。

Those those universities are like that.

我的意思是，我最后去了纽约大学。

I mean, I ended up going to NYU.

我在纽约大学大一的时候也遇到过类似的情况。

And I had a similar situation at NYU in my freshman year.

我接了一个电视剧试播集，后来被选中了，他们就想把我赶出去。

I got a TV pilot that went to series and they tried to kick me out.

有个老师想把我从戏剧系赶走，因为大一是不允许出去工作的。

There was a teacher that tried to kick me out of the theater department because you're not supposed to work your freshman year.

但另一个资历很深的老师站出来为我说话，她说：她知道怎么做一些我们教不了的事情，那就是怎么找到工作。

And I had another teacher who had a lot of tenure stand up for me and say, she knows how to do something that we can't teach, which is she knows how to get a job.

所以如果你们把她赶出戏剧项目，我就辞职。

So if you kick her out of the theater program, I will quit.

我就是这样才留下来的。

And that's the only way I stayed in.

我不得不答应那个学期拿个D，因为我得缺课十天去拍试播集。

I had to agree to take a d for the semester because I had to miss ten days to shoot the pilot.

结果那个试播集被选中了，还拿了D。

D for the pilot got picked up.

然后……

And...

但很多戏剧学院就是这样运作的，我觉得他们这样对学生们很不负责。

But that's how a lot of these theater programs work, and I I I think they do their students a big disservice.

我记得是……

I think it was...

那位老师对我的评价，就是说我一直知道怎么找到工作。

That that teacher said about me, which is I always knew how to get the job.

我可能不知道怎么做那份工作，但我知道怎么得到那份工作。

I might not have known how to do the job, but I knew how to get the job.

年轻的时候，别人会教你该怎么做，对吧？

When you're young, people are going to show you how to do the job, right?

他们

They

不会对你抱太高期望，因为你刚入行，还年轻。

don't have high expectations when you're young coming in to the business.

但如果你年轻的时候就能出去找到工作，那找到工作这件事就已经赢了一半了。

But if you can go out and get a job when you're young, then that's that's half the battle of knowing how to get the job.

一直有句老话说，谁都能从耶鲁毕业。

There was always that age old adage, anybody can graduate from Yale.

难的是进去。

It's getting in.

那才是最难的部分。

That's a bitch.

你懂吧？

You know?

其实这跟刚才说的那个道理差不多。

You know, which is sort of the same sort of that idea.

对，确实有道理。

Like, yeah, it makes sense.

一旦你进去了，成了某个圈子或家庭的一员，他们就会确保一切条件都适合你成功。

Once you're there and you're part of whatever set family you're part of, they will make sure that the elements are correct for you to succeed.

你说得对。

You're right.

那个那个那个

The the the

我倒希望，我倒希望现在可能不一样了。

I'd like to think I'd like to think that it's maybe different now.

我是说，我知道我上大学的时候，感觉那确实是很独立的一件事。

I mean, I know that when I went I went to college, and it did feel very much like a separate thing.

它并不一定……

It did not necess...

它教了我很多关于戏剧表演的东西，但我没有……

It taught me a lot about acting in theater, but I didn't...

你知道，我主修戏剧，但毕业后，实际上是在电视行业里学会工作的。

You know, was a theater major, but then when I graduated, actually learning to work in television.

我当时就想，你就像，你教了我很多关于戏剧表演的东西。

I was like, you're like, you taught me a lot about acting in theater.

我大学主修的是医学预科，

I was a premed major as

当科学家。

a scientist.

这就是最奇怪的地方。

Which that's what the weird part was.

不是。

No.

但现在我知道，在我那个年代……

But but I know now at my...

现在的学校会教电视表演，而且……

The school, they teach, you know, acting for TV, and there...

现在比二十年前整合得多了，你知道，

It's much more integrated now than it was, you know, 20

那时候。

Back then.

对。

Yes.

我也这么觉得，因为，我是说，肯定得是这样。

I think so too because, I mean I I mean, it has to be.

得了吧。

Come on.

这肯定

It's got

得是这样。不过拿这个来惩罚人，真的挺奇怪的。

to be That's a really weird thing to penralize for, though.

这真的挺……

That's that's a really...

很高兴我们聊到了这个，因为那真是个离奇的故事。

I'm glad we dove into that because that's a that's a trippy story.

我特别想知道老师们还给别人写过什么样的信，你知道吗？

I I would love to know other letters that teachers sent to people, You know?

亲爱的林-曼努尔·米兰达。

Dear Lin Manuel Miranda.

没错。

Exactly.

你

You

就给我...

just give...

别说了。

Stop it.

别说了。

Stop it.

嗯，这对...有好处。

Well, it's good for...

你能有那个定力不受影响，这挺好的。

It's good that you had the wherewithal to not be affected

明年。

next year.

不去听她的。

To not listen to her.

我有个很大的自我。

I have a I have a big ego.

希望你们喜欢这期节目，但我们得先暂停一下，插播几条广告。

I hope you're digging the episode, but we need to pull over for a quick second for some messages.

大家好。

Hi, everybody.

我是罗伯·贝内迪克特。

It's Rob Benedict.

本期节目由Vinted赞助播出。

This episode is sponsored by Vinted.

你们知道Vinted吗？

Do you know about Vinted?

好的。

Okay.

看看你的衣柜。

Take a look at your closet.

如果你像我一样，那里面……

If you're like me, it's...

我的衣服太多了。

I've got too many clothes.

不。

No.

我的问题是我和一个人住，他的衣服多到小衣柜都装不下，所以我们一直在想办法精简衣柜，腾出空间放别的东西。

My problem is I'm with someone who has too many clothes for a small closet, so we're always looking for ways to thin out our closet to make for room for other things.

有个应用让这件事变得特别简单，那就是Vinted。

And there's an app that makes that so easy to do, and that app is Vinted.

这是一个二手交易应用，让像你我这样的普通卖家轻松出售二手时尚单品，赚点外快。

It's a secondhand marketplace app that makes it easy for everyday sellers, people like you and me, to sell pre loved fashion and earn some extra money.

所以也许你的衣柜不像我这样塞得满满的，但你想赚点外快，或者你只是喜欢偶尔清理一下。

So maybe your closet's not full like mine, but you're looking to make a little extra money, or you just like to clean out every once in a while.

这就是为什么Vinted很棒，因为你可以重新利用你的衣服，顺便赚点小钱。

That's why Vintage is great because you can repurpose your clothing and make a little cash on the side.

Vinted用起来特别简单，卖衣服变得很容易。

Vinted was just so easy that it made selling my clothes simple.

我选择Vinted是因为它没有销售费用，所以你赚到的钱都归你自己。

I turned to Vinted because there are no selling fees, so you keep everything you earn.

所以这是双赢。

And so it's win win.

你看，我能清理衣柜，赚点外快，而且现在感觉更好，因为我的衣柜不那么……

You, I've been able to clean out my closet, make a little extra money, and I now feel better because I have a less...

不那么乱了。

Much less cluttered closet.

这个应用可以免费下载。

The app is free to download.

在Vinted上发布商品很快。

Listing items on Vinted is quick.

很简单。

It's simple.

而且一旦商品卖出，Vinted会为你生成预付运费标签。

And once the item sells, Vinted creates the prepaid shipping label for you.

所以，这有什么理由不这么做呢？

So it's like, why wouldn't you?

那么，你准备好清理衣柜，赚点外快了吗？

So are you ready to clean out your closet and make some extra money?

免费下载Vinted应用，开始发布商品吧。

Download the Vinted app for free and start listing.

没有卖家费用，你赚的每一分钱都归你。

With no seller fees, you keep every dollar you earn.

你有一条最喜欢的毯子，一杯刚倒好的饮料，还有一个冷案在你追剧列表里等着你。

You've got your favorite blanket, a freshly poured drink, and a cold case burning a hole in your streaming queue.

你不仅仅是在看真实犯罪节目。

You're not just watching true crime.

你是在沙发上舒舒服服地当侦探。

You're running the investigation from the comfort of your couch.

欢迎收听《谋杀她看了》播客，在这里我们回顾、剖析，甚至有点过度分析那些在我们最爱的流媒体平台上最精彩、最疯狂的犯罪纪录片。

Welcome to murder she watched, the podcast where we recap, dissect, and slightly overanalyze some of the best and craziest true crime documentaries on our favorite streamers.

是配偶干的吗？

Did the spouse do it?

为什么那个可疑的邻居在七月还戴皮手套？

Why is the shady neighbor wearing leather gloves in July?

为什么这家伙会同意在这部纪录片里接受采访？

Why did this guy agree to be interviewed in this documentary?

我们问那些你常常对着电视大喊的尖锐问题。

We ask the tough questions that you're often just screaming at your TV.

所以每周我们都会拆解那些让你熬夜的曲折情节、误导线索和荒诞纪录片。

So every week, we break down the twists, red herrings, and absurd documentaries that have kept you up all night.

这真是高能剧情，温馨氛围，还有十足的沙发侦探范儿。

It's high drama, cozy vibes, and absolute couch detective energy.

拿起你的毛毯，赶紧订阅吧。

Grab your throw blanket and hit subscribe.

在任何一个播客平台上搜索《Murder She Watched》，让我们一起破案吧。

Search Murder She Watched wherever you listen to podcasts, and let's solve this thing together.

感谢你们一直以来对《Supernatural》的支持，无论是过去还是现在。

Thanks for supporting Supernatural then and now.

现在，回到节目正片。

And now back to the show.

好。

Good.

好。

Good.

这需要点时间。

It takes that.

听着，你必须相信自己，在这个注定要打击你的行业里，所以这是好事。

Listen, you you have to believe in yourself in a in a business that's built to beat you down, so it's it's good.

是的。

Yes.

你能有这样的信念是好事。

It's good that you have that.

那我们回到莱拉。

So back to Layla.

回到莱拉。

Back to Layla.

你在《信仰》里演的那个角色。

The the role you played in Faith.

没错。

Correct.

她是……

She's...

我们刚才在说，这一集是我们目前看过的比较精彩的一集之一。

We were saying that one of the things about this episode, which we we think is one of the the better episodes we've seen so far

确实挺吓人的。

Legitimately creepy.

就是那种真正的恐怖。

Like, real creepy.

你知道吗，这一集一开始就直接进入戏剧冲突了。

You know, and one of the things about the episode, like, starts it just starts with drama right out of the gate.

对吧？

You know?

但我当时想说的是，

But I was

你的角色，她得了绝症。

gonna say, your character, she's terminally ill.

而且没有解决的办法，就是说，最后就是现实生活。

And there's no resolve that I mean, it's just real life at the end.

就像，我们把她留在那里。

Like, we leave her

他们把你丢下等死。

They leave you to die.

而且这……

And it's...

你没有被治愈。

You're you're not healed.

他们太自私了。

They're so selfish.

他们真的太自私了。

They are so selfish.

不过，你要是长得那么好看，你也可以那么自私。

You can be you can be that selfish when you're that hot, though.

这一直是我的……

That's always been my...

对吧？

Know?

可以啊。

You can.

可以啊。

You can.

她最后还是原谅了他们。

She forgave them in the end.

什么……

What...

如果是两个丑男，你肯定不会原谅，但要是山姆和迪恩，你肯定就原谅了。

You you wouldn't have forgiven two ugly dudes, but you definitely forgive Sam and Dean.

不。

No.

我原谅他们就是因为他们太帅了。

I forgave them because they're so hot.

结尾还有一个吻呢。

There was a kiss too at the end.

他们把那部分删掉了。

They took that out.

什么？

What?

什么？

What?

莱拉和迪恩之间有个吻？

There was a kiss between Leila and Dean?

迪恩。

Dean.

你……对。

Did you Yeah.

你拍下来了吗？

Did you film it?

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

你拍下来了。

You filmed it.

你拍下了那个吻？

You filmed the kiss?

是的。

Yes.

有个花絮

There's a blooper

在外面。

out there.

哇。

Wow.

一个花絮。

A blooper.

未剪辑的片段。

Uncut scene.

我……

I...

那挺好的。

It was nice.

我当时很开心。

I was happy.

好了。

Alright.

大家冷静一下。

Everybody calm down.

这是，这是家庭访谈。

It's It's a family interview.

但那时我其实是个……

But then I was a I was a...

我当时想，他们选中它的时候，我就觉得，哦，可能它不够客观，所以没到11分。

I thought when they picked it out, I was like, oh, it must not be objective enough to be 11.

或者也许你的手太不老实了，CW受不了。

Or maybe maybe your groping hands were too much for the CW.

也许吧，可能确实有点过了。

Maybe maybe it was a little much.

不过没有，我开玩笑的。

But, no, I'm joking.

我开玩笑的。

I'm joking.

我开玩笑的。

I'm joking.

不过说真的，确实有个吻。

But, no, there there was a kiss.

那太棒了。

That's awesome.

我之前还不知道呢。

I didn't know that.

嗯，这正好回答了这里的问题。

Well, that answers this question here.

迪恩和莱拉之间有没有那种没有付诸行动的暧昧火花？

Is there a spark between Dean and Leila that isn't acted on?

而且它……

And it's...

结果发现，他们确实行动了。

Turns out it is acted on.

只是被剪掉了，没放进正片里。

On, just cut out of the editing room.

直接剪掉了。

Just cut out.

就是被剪掉了。

Just cut out.

而且我觉得，他们也觉得每集都有个女孩来跟其中一个男孩亲热，然后他们就想，好吧。

And I think too, I think they felt like think they felt like every episode, there was a girl coming on making out with one of the boys, and I think they thought, like, okay.

我们就不做这种剧。

We're just not gonna do that show.

这不是我们要做的剧。

That's not gonna be this show.

嗯，他们其实没有，比如……

Well, they didn't do, like...

他们真的不太……

They don't really...

作为现在看这部剧的男生来说，他们并不是每到一个地方就跟一个女孩搞在一起。

Just being guys who are watching it now, it's they don't hook up with a girl per town.

我是说，他们有点……

I mean, they kind of...

他们可能会遇到某个人，或者会有那种暧昧的氛围，但他们不会行动，因为他们有更大的目标。

They might meet somebody or there might be this, like, energy, but they don't act on it because they've got this grander goal

更大的。

Bigger.

有更宏大的故事在推进。

Grander story going on.

那挺酷的。

That's cool.

但我想称赞一下导演艾伦·克罗克。

But I wanna give props to the director, Alan Croker.

从那以后我和他合作过很多很多次。

I've worked with him since then many, many times.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

在我和……合作之后。

After I worked with...

他后来还执导了我为科幻频道做的那部剧里我最喜欢的一些剧集。

He came and directed some of my favorite episodes of the science, the show that I did for SciFi channel.

我觉得这集之所以特别，很多元素都是因为他的功劳。

I think a lot of the elements that make this episode special were because of him.

哦，真不错。

Oh, cool.

就连复活时播放的那段音乐也是。

And even like the the music that they play during the revival.

那真的很酷。

That's really cool.

感觉有点像爵士风格的那种。

It's almost like a jazzy kind of Jazzy.

那些小细节，我觉得都是艾伦的手笔。

All those little touches, think, are Alan's touches.

哦，那还挺有意思的。

Oh, that they were Interesting.

那是他的印记。

His mark.

而且就连复活的部分，他们也非常用心，尽量做到逼真。是的。

And even the way, like, the revival work, I mean, they were very sensitive to make it as realistic as they could Yep.

在超自然的情境下。

In a supernatural situation.

并且尊重那些相信的人。

And honoring people who believe

那份信念。

The belief.

相信那个。

Believe that.

那些相信的人。

Who believe.

嗯，我觉得……

Well, I thought...

还有扮演牧师的凯文·麦克纳尔蒂

And Kevin McNulty, who plays the pastor

我觉得他演得太棒了。

I thought he was great.

确实很好。

So good.

真的非常好。

Was so good.

他的表演简直达到了电影级别的水准。

He's, like, movie level good in that performance.

因为那种复兴会上的牧师角色，已经被演过无数次了。

And because that's one of those, like, you know, pastors in those revival meetings have been done a million times.

很容易变成一种陈词滥调，重复别人演过的东西。

And it's easy to become a cliche of what's been done before you.

我觉得他把这个角色演得非常到位。

I thought he did a really nice job of playing that character.

演得很真实。

Playing it honestly.

我跟你说，十五年后，我都忘了剧情了。

And I'll tell you, you know, fifteen years later, I forgot to plot Uh-huh.

所以能重新走一遍剧情，看到他和妻子的那个反转，感觉挺好的。

So it was nice to go on the journey and see the the plot twist with him and the wife.

你

You

知道吗？

know?

十五年后回去再看，肯定会觉得挺神奇的，然后想，等等。

It must be wild going back fifteen years later and going, wait.

我当时拍的是什么来着？

What was this thing I did?

那是我啊。

That's me.

我几乎不知道。

I barely knew.

我知道，我当时就在那儿。

I know I was there.

真有意思，我现在看的时候，还能想起拍摄那天发生的事。

It's so funny because I even watching it now, I can remember things that happened on that day while filming.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

但有时候我不太记得当时拍的是什么。

But it's like, I don't always remember what it was I was filming.

你知道，就像看一部老电影，你会想，哦，那天全是泥，然后发生了这个，又发生了那个。

You know, it's like watching an old movie where you're like, oh, that was the day with all the mud, and then this happened, and then that happened.

就像，哦，等等。

Like, oh, wait.

那个场景，哦，

The scene Oh,

你说得对。

you're right.

我们是在拍电视剧。

We're doing a TV show.

那我问你个问题，因为那时候大家都特别年轻，还没人结婚生孩子什么的。

So let ask you this because back then that everybody's super young and nobody has kids yet and all that stuff.

你们那时候晚上会去酒吧玩吗？

Were you guys, like, going out to bars at night?

就是，那会儿是不是挺热闹的社交生活，还是说没有？

Like, was it was it a fun social thing or no?

没有。

No.

他得去……

He's gotta do

我没有。

I wasn't.

我的意思是，我当时也不算太年轻。

I mean, I I I wasn't that young.

我当时大概...

I was in my...

我想我当时30岁。

I was 30, I think.

明白了。

Gotcha.

但是...

But none...

不过话说回来，你当时...

But nonetheless, you were like...

是不是算年纪比较大的？

It was like older?

也不是说...

It wasn't like...

我不知道。

I don't know.

就是感觉好像……

It just seemed like it's

我是说，那些男孩真的太可爱了。

I mean, the boys are so freaking cute.

太可爱了。

So cute.

不好意思。

I'm sorry.

但我们就是会忍不住笑出来。

But we just would like and just get the giggles.

天哪。

Oh my god.

因为他们实在太可爱了。

Because they were just so cute.

然后我们还得装作很惊讶的样子，说，哦，我觉得他们太可爱了。

And then we'd have to act and be like, oh, I act like they were adorable.

他们就是很可爱。

They're just adorable.

他们让我们……

They would make us...

我一说起这个就变得多愁善感了。

I'm getting all slushy talking about it.

那真是太棒了。

That's amazing.

他们很可爱。

They're adorable.

哇。

Wow.

好吧。

Alright.

现在说说最不喜欢的。

Now, least favorite.

你最不喜欢的时刻或经历是什么，或者……

What was your least favorite moment or experience or

最喜欢的时刻。

Favorite moment.

你知道，那雨和泥巴真的很难熬。

You know, the the the rain in the mud was really tough.

我最后说服了他们让我打着伞拍。

I finally convinced them to let me shoot with an umbrella.

有一场戏我确实打着伞。

There's that one scene where I actually have an umbrella.

那感觉就像，拜托。

And that was just like, come on.

我在这儿都快淹死了。

Like, I'm drowning out here.

而那些男孩们，湿了之后看起来特别帅。

And the boys, they look gorgeous wet.

你知道吗？

You know?

就是，我……

It's like, I don't.

我就像一只落汤鸡。

I was like a drowned rat.

所以至少我们是在雨中拍的。

So at least we play the rain of rain.

就像……

Like...

而且雨下得很大，镜头里都能看到雨。

And it was raining hard enough where they could actually see the rain on camera.

确实能。

You could.

我是说，我……

I mean, I...

有件事我注意到了，在那个……

There's one thing I noted in that...

你看啊。

I mean, look.

这里是温哥华。

It's Vancouver.

下雨是难免的。

You're gonna get rain.

但我的天哪。

But holy smokes.

有些场景里雨下得真大。

It was really pouring in some of those scenes.

而且，你知道，大多数时候，真实的雨在镜头里看起来不像雨。

And, you know, like, the majority of the time, real rain doesn't look like rain on camera.

所以很多时候……

So a lot of times...

但当时雨真的下得很大，大到你能清楚地看到雨丝。

But it it was raining that hard where you could actually see the rain.

所以我就说服他们让我用把伞，因为，这真的太夸张了。

And so I just I just convinced them to let me use an umbrella because, like, this is crazy.

当你说到那个……

When you were saying that every...

你确实记得一些具体的事情，除了那些……你还记得别的什么吗？

You actually remember specific things, were there anything else that you remembered from those specific...

除了对着帅哥傻笑？

Besides giggling at the hot boys?

怎么会忘记对着帅哥傻笑呢？

How do you forget giggling at the hot boys?

我记得坐面包车的时候，还有……

I remember the van ride and having some...