Trust me, you don't want to become reliant on AI - discussing the domestication of humans by artifical intelligence - Taboo OFF the bus

嗨，最好的朋友们。

Hello, best friends.

欢迎来到《公交上》的又一期节目。

Welcome to another episode of to boot off the bus.

就是那个《公交上》的完整版。

The long form version of to boot on the bus.

我和我的公共交通工具播客。

Me and my public transport public transport podcast.

其实我得澄清一下，是公交车，不是火车。昨天我跟一个人开了个会，是个特别棒的媒体，我马上要跟他们合作。他们说：‘我们第一次听说你的时候，还以为你做的是地铁播客。’我当时就愣了：‘地铁？’

Maybe need to clarify actually that it was a bus because I had a meeting with someone yesterday, like really cool publication that I'm gonna be like working with and they were like, yeah, like when we found out about you we were like, she does this podcast on the train and I was like, the train?

我也没急着纠正，就让他们说下去，其实我说的是公交车，普通公交。

I just let them I just let them say it, but the bus, the public bus.

超级感谢大家对上一期的支持！

Thank you so much for the love on the previous episode.

在YouTube上，姐妹们简直爱疯了。

Girlies were eating that up on YouTube.

我超爱这次回归YouTube，太好玩了，而且看到别人也喜欢，我真的特别开心。

I loved my return to YouTube, so much fun and I'm so glad other people are enjoying it.

继续朝着我每月一集的长篇播客目标前进。

Sticking on track with my one episode a month goal of The Long Form Podcast.

我本来计划拍两集的，但有一集拍得实在太烂了，拍着拍着好几次我都想：要不咱直接删了吧？

I actually did plan on having two but I filmed one that was so bad that like multiple times throughout filming it I was like, should we just scrap this?

我一般都挺能坚持的，能硬着头皮拍完。

And like, I'm all for powering through.

结果硬是拍了一个多小时，没剪辑的原始素材都快两小时了，最后我实在受不了，今早直接删了。

Powered through to like an hour, it was it was an hour and a bit that episode unedited and I was just like, it got deleted this morning.

这段内容肯定不会出现在YouTube上，但我的目标是每月一集，现在进度正合适，这期就定在二月发布，提前祝大家二月快乐。

Was like, that's not surfaced in YouTube ever, but one a month was the goal and we're on track so this will go out in February, so happy February.

我本来想说‘情人节快乐’的，因为明天就是情人节，不过这期肯定要拖到那之后了，还是祝大家情人节玩得尽兴吧。

I was gonna say happy Valentine's Day because it is Valentine's Day tomorrow but this definitely will be up way after that so hope everyone has a wild Valentine's.

今年情人节的计划就是我和两个室友一起吃顿饭，看个电影。

Valentine's plans this year looking like me and my two flatmates having dinner and a movie.

我们仨其实根本没干成戒酒一月，我刚才那话纯属扯淡。我跟两个女生住一块儿，一开始真打算一起戒酒，结果后来反而迷上了那些不喝酒也能玩的活动。对了，Kat——就是剪这些播客的那位，嘿，Kat，希望大伙儿都喜欢上一集你剪的片儿。大概一月第七天吧，她突然跑来跟我说：‘咱不如搞个‘清醒观影’吧，看电影的时候配点无酒精的特调饮品。’我心想：行啊，那咱就看电影呗？

We all all did, that's actually a complete lie on I say, would say we all did dry January, I live with two girls, we all started Dry January and then got really into like the sober activities, like Kat, Kat who edits these podcasts, hey Kat, I hope everyone loved Kat's edits in the last podcast, one day turned to me like probably seven days into January and was like here, I think we should start something called sober cinema where we watch a film and buy like a fun sober drink and I was like, so we watch a film then?

就只是看电影？

So we watch a film?

我们本来也不是非得喝酒才看电影，平时也看。但那会儿大家真在认真戒酒，反而更愿意一块儿干点啥，哪怕平时也常一起玩，可那阵子特别有仪式感，挺有意思的。

Us, like, doing Dry January, not that we like only watch films when we've had a drink, like, we just watch films anyway, but when we were all like consciously doing Dry January, it really made us like make more of an effort of like doing things together sober, even though we do that anyway, but it was fun.

就那么一次。

We did that once.

我做了个咖喱，然后我们看了部电影，叫啥来着？

I made us all a curry and we watched, what is that film called?

那电影是讲啥来着？

Is that something girls?

就是个保姆照顾一个小女孩，那孩子他妈根本不管她，保姆就慢慢帮她疗愈内心的创伤，俩人坐在旋转木马、转杯上玩儿……

It's about like the nanny who looks after the young girl who's like so neglected by her mom and they're just, like, she's just, like, healing her inner child and they're on the roundabout, they're on the teacups.

那电影到底叫啥名儿来着？

What is that called?

《城市女孩》

Uptown Girls.

对。

Yeah.

我们那次喝着无酒精饮料看了《城市女孩》。

We watched Uptown Girls sober cinema.

这次情人节，我们也打算照着这个模式来一次。

So we're we're kind of doing a rendition of that, for Valentine's Day.

我给大家做顿饭，然后一起看电影。

I'm gonna cook everyone a meal and we'll watch a film.

太棒了。

Gorgeous.

顺便还要撮合我妹妹和她男朋友，这周末他们要来玩。

And also actually third wheeling my sister and her boyfriend because they're coming to visit this weekend.

这情人节可真够热闹的。

So crazy Valentine's.

我姐在情人节前三天给我发消息，问我和杰克在伦敦哪儿能订到情人节晚餐。

My sister messages me what three days before Valentine's Day and she's like where in London can me and Jack book a meal for Valentine's Day?

她还特意加了括号注明‘浪漫情人节晚餐’，我当时就想，姐妹，你情人节周末才提前三天订饭，伦敦哪儿还有位置啊？

In brackets sexy Valentine's meal and I was like girl I don't think you're getting anywhere booked three days before Valentine's Day Valentine's weekend in London.

最多也就是点个外卖了。

You're getting a takeaway at most.

所以我真得去查查她到底订了哪儿。

So I actually need to find out where she's booked.

不过话说回来，祝大家二月都过得开心。

But yeah, hope everyone has a great February.

另外，真心佩服那些真把‘一月戒酒’坚持下来的人。

Also, mad respect to anyone who did actually manage to do Dry January.

我这话说得好像我酗酒似的，其实真不是，我对酒精挺有节制的，只是我三个室友里，有两个没撑住，只有卡特一个人坚持下来了。

This is coming across like major alcoholism from me, not at all, good relationship with alcohol, but two out of three flatmates did not manage Dry January and Kat's actually the only one that did.

我和贝卡都破戒了，我嘛，是坚持了十三天才扛不住的。

Me and Becca both broke it and yeah, I broke it thirteen days in.

真可惜。

What a shame.

说实话，现在就只有在播客里，我才愿意聊点自己的私事。

A podcast, I would generally say, is like the only place where I speak about myself, like, personally now.

我早就不再拍抖音短视频了。

I don't really do like vlogs or anything on Tiktok anymore.

以前我抖音可太爱分享了，简直过度曝光。

My Tiktok used to be so personal, like way to overshare.

我记得有次我还把第一次约会的全过程拍下来发到抖音上。

I think back to the time I once vlogged a first date and put it on Tiktok.

精神问题，精神问题，我那时候到底疯了什么劲儿？

Mental illness, mental illness, why the fuck did I do that?

其实，我大多数人的出柜，就是这么发生的。

That's actually also how I came out to most people.

好几年前，我拍了第一次和女生约会的视频发到抖音上，结果就这么被大家知道了。

I vlogged like my first ever lesbian first date, this was years ago, put that on Tiktok, and that's how it came out to most people.

那真是过度分享了。

That was a crazy overshare.

我现在完全不这么认为了。

I don't at all agree with that now.

两年后，你、乔治和特蕾莎在《地铁禁忌》那期节目里，还吐槽过把约会生活商业化这事儿。

Fast forward like two years, you had me and George and Theresa, Taboo on the Tube episode slagging off monetizing your dating life culture online.

从那以后我们确实成长了，但我想说的是，我现在真的很少再主动在网上分享个人生活了——不是故意的，只是我的TikTok内容早就转向了教育性和社会评论类，根本没多少空间聊自己了，所以特别珍惜能在这档播客里跟你好好唠唠嗑，毕竟我早就没发过YouTube视频日志了，这会儿正好趁机补补课，给你推荐我这周看的听的读的好东西，咱们也聊聊各自最近在忙啥。

We've grown since then, but what I was going to say with that, sorry there, is how much I don't overshare or like talk about myself like personally really online anymore, not intentionally, just like my content on Tiktok has gone very like educational social commentary route, so like there's not as much space for me to like chat about myself now, so I really like that I get to do that in this podcast that we can have like a girly catch up chat because I haven't even posted a YouTube vlog in ages so yeah this is the time for us to catch up and I'll give you like my media recs of the week and we can catch up with what we've been listening, watching, reading.

天啊，让我给你看看这个，可能得加个图。

Oh my god, let me show you these, might have to overlay an image.

我每周有两天在给一位时尚设计师做公关和社交媒体。

I basically work, I work for, I do like PR social media for a fashion designer two days a week.

其实我马上就要离职了，要是有人想接这活儿，职位现在正在招，不是因为啥糟心事，就是我要全职做内容了。不过我们公司平时办很多手工活动啥的。

Actually leaving that job, so if anyone wants that job, that's actually getting advertised, not for any bad reasons, just going full time content, but we host a lot of crafty events and things at work.

这周我们办了个书签制作和图书交换活动，真·在公司里，我就纯粹为了做示范，自己动手做了好多书签。

And this week we hosted a bookmark making and book swap, so genuinely at work I got to just make bookmarks as examples for the event.

所以最近我接触的东西，都被这些超暖心的书签刷屏了。

So, in terms of what I'm consuming, it's being marked by like really wholesome bookmarks.

我待会儿放几张活动现场的照片，真的太可爱了。

I'm going to overlay some photos of the event, it was so cute.

这主意是我自己想出来的，当时还暗自得意：不错嘛，干得漂亮！

Basically, I came up with this idea and I was like good one there, like, well done you.

我们那会儿在琢磨，Gallantine's 能搞点啥手作活动好呢。

We were like coming up with like what type of like Gallantine's crafty event we could do.

‘Gallantine's’ 这名字只是随便叫的，谁都能来参加，别误会。

Gallantine's used like loosely, anyone can obviously come to these events.

活动就是来做个书签，材料多到爆炸，亮片、水钻堆成山，再带本书来，大家互相换书，现场的书种类多到惊人。

Yeah, so the event was like come make a bookmark, had like so many crafty materials, a million rhinestones and bring a book so that everyone could like swap a book with someone there and there was such a good array of books there.

我气死了，居然忘了带书，本来还打算带一本去换的。

I was raging because I forgot to bring one, like I was gonna bring a book to swap.

上期节目我提过，我开始看《Valencia》，看到一半实在看不下去，就撂下了，心想：太好了，这本正好拿来换，肯定有人抢着要。

I spoke at this in my last episode, I started reading the book Valencia, I got halfway through just didn't enjoy it, stopped reading it and I was like oh perfect I'll bring that and swap it because someone would snatch that up.

这书其实挺好的，就是我不太喜欢，结果我忘了带书来，没赶上交换。

It's a it's a great book I just didn't enjoy it but I forgot to bring a book so I didn't get to swap one.

不过有人带了那本粉红封面的，我超想要，但我已经在图书馆预约了，所以也没事。

But someone did bring the pink line and I really want that but I have that on hold at the library so it's fine.

哎呀，抱歉，这些是我做的书签，我待会儿放张照片上去。

But anyway, sorry, these are the bookmarks that I made, I'll overlay a photo of them.

然后是这些书，先说一下，我目前看的不是非虚构类——等等，是小说，我老是搞混。

And then the books that they're in, first of all my non fiction read at the moment no, fiction, I always get mixed up.

我的小说是《等我回家》，作者是哈拉·阿利安。

My fiction book is I'll Tell You When I'm Home by Hala Allian.

讲的是代孕、战争，还有等待的故事。

It's a story of surrogacy, a story of war, a story of waiting.

其实是出版社主动寄给我这本书的。

The publishing house actually sent me this book.

他们是伦敦一家特别棒的出版社。

They're a really phenomenal publishing house in London.

他们成立的初衷是推广来自中东、北非以及更广泛流散群体的鲜明而独特的声音，特别注重在西方出版界呈现那些被忽视的群体。

They were established to amplify bold original voices from The Middle East, North Africa and the wider Disappora, so really focused on representing underrepresented voices in Western publishing.

这本书的作者是一位巴勒斯坦裔美国作家兼诗人，这也呼应了书中的主角身份。

And this book is by a Palestinian American writer and poet, which reflects the main character of the book.

是的。

Yeah.

书里有段简介说，哈拉不仅在等待代孕的消息，还在屏息关注着黎巴嫩境内的巴勒斯坦。

A bit from the blurb, Hala is not just awaiting news from the surrogate, she's also holding her breath as Palestine in Lebanon.

她那些疏离的故土正遭受炮火袭击。

Her estranged homelands are under fire.

故事是从多个视角展开的，几乎每一段都只有半页到一页长，接着就立刻切换到另一个视角。

So it's told from like multiple perspectives in the character's life, like it's every single, every single paragraph is only, I would say half a page to a page long at most before you're changing perspective again.

她通过不同时期的人生片段，讲述战争、代孕、家庭关系——她家人的遭遇，同时交织着其他人的故事。

She's talking through accounts of war, accounts of surrogacy, accounts of relationship, like, what's happened to her family, through, like, different time periods in her life and also talking about other stories simultaneously.

不读的话真很难说清楚，但我现在越读越上瘾。

It's hard to describe without just reading it and I'm really, really enjoying it.

我上期节目里还吐槽了瓦伦西亚那本书，其实我根本没真吐槽，那书太棒了。

I know I slagged off Valencia in my last episode because I didn't like how it was not slagged off, I didn't slag off at all, great book.

我不喜欢它的写法，但这本书的写法我超爱，就像一下子能同时窥见好多不同的世界。

I didn't like how it was written, but I really like how this is written, like you're you're dipping into like multiple things at once.

虽然卖得不太好，但绝对是本了不起的书，特别重要，出版社自己也知道它有多好。

Really didn't sell that book very well but it's a phenomenal book, very important as well and the publisher knows it's great.

我现在在读的非虚构作品是朱恩·托马斯的《我们自己的地方》，讲的是六个塑造了女同文化的空间。

And then my non fiction read at the minute is A Place of Our Own by June Thomas which discusses six spaces that shaped queer women's culture.

正好现在是酷儿历史月。

This is in fact queer history month.

就算不是这个月，我也会读它，第一章全在讲女同酒吧，这可是我的心头好。

I would have read this anyway, there's a lot about, there's a whole first chapter on lesbian, like, gay bars, my favorite niche topic.

女同酒吧——我当年写论文的主题，如果你听过我之前的播客，就知道我一聊到这个就停不下来。

Gay bars, what I did my dissertation on, if you've had read any, not read, if you've listened to any of my podcasts you know that that's when the special interest comes through.

目前才读完第一章，但已经爱得不行了。

But really enjoying this, I've only read the first chapter but loving this.

也是从图书馆借的，当然。

From the library as well, of course.

鼓励大家去办借书证。

Inspiring people to get their library cards.

好几个人都跟我说，因为我的推荐，他们去办了借书证，这简直太棒了。

Multiple people have told me that like I've inspired them to get them, I've inspired them to get a library card and it's just one of the best things ever.

我超支持本地图书馆的。

Huge on the local library.

自己做书签特别有意思。

Huge on making your own bookmarks, just so fun.

这张其实是我和我最好的朋友的合影，上面写着：我从杂志上剪下这些字，写着‘去剧院、去博物馆、看新艺术展，去吧’。

Yeah, this one actually, this one is a photo of me and my best friend on it and it says, I cut out bits from magazines and it says go to the theatre, museums, see new art, go.

说起来，我最近确实没怎么去剧院或博物馆，这事儿我真得在二月多花点心思。

Saying that, not the been theatre or museums much recently, that's something I really want to prioritise more in February.

我列了个展览清单，都想去看。

I've got like a list of exhibitions I want to go to.

我今晚其实要去泰特美术馆一场活动。

I'm going to one at the Tate actually tonight.

我和朋友达拉一起去。

Me and my friend Dara are going.

我这儿有个特别棒的爱尔兰朋友小团体，爱尔兰和苏格兰这些凯尔特文化的人特别合得来，我和他们在一起特别自在，现在有三个爱尔兰朋友陪着我，还有娜奥米，她虽然是英国人，但完全融入得特别好。

I've got like a lovely Irish friendship group going on here, there's there's a real fusion between Irish, well just Celtic people, like the Irish and Scottish, I feel very at home with Irish people and I've got a lovely group going with me and three Irish friends and Naomi actually as well who is English but she slots in perfectly.

我和达拉今晚要去泰特看个展，是我们一个朋友的作品展，主题是女性摄影那种风格。

Me and Dara are going to an exhibition at the Tate tonight which one of our friends is like showing at, it's like a girls in film photography type of exhibition.

其实我二月已经列好一长串想看的展览了。

But I actually have a list of exhibitions to go to in February.

我最想去看的是南·戈尔丁的《性依赖的叙事曲》，是个摄影展。

One of the exhibitions I'm dying to go to is Nan Goldin's The Ballad of Sexual Dependency, it's a photography exhibition.

这个展探讨性别、亲密关系和权力，被公认为戈尔丁的代表作。

It's an exhibition reflecting gender, intimacy and power widely regarded as Goldin's magnum opus.

具体什么意思我也不太懂，但光是照片本身就已经超棒了。

I don't actually know what that means but obviously just a great series of photos.

我几周前还真去了一趟那个展览，一开馆我就想冲去，特别爱看摄影展，结果到了才发现周日闭馆，我居然没查清楚。

I actually turned up to this exhibition a couple weeks ago because like, like, week it opened I was dying to go, like, love a photography exhibition, turned up, closed on a Sunday, didn't check that.

我也没真去碰玻璃，应该没那么大胆，就是贴着玻璃窗往里看，后来改去索霍摄影师画廊了，那地方真的特别棒。

So, I just like, I don't think I was hands on the glass, I don't think I would have done that but I was like up against the glass just looking at it through the window and then went to the Soho photographers gallery instead, which was really, really good.

真心推荐你们去那儿看看。

Really, really recommend doing that.

那儿的拍照亭拍的照片超酷，所有展览我都喜欢，不过这个展览是我二月的目标，下次做播客时，希望能给大家做个详细点评。

Got really cool photo booth pictures there, loved all the exhibitions there, but this is on my goal for February so next time I do a podcast I hopefully can have a review on this.

我觉得没什么比看展览——尤其是摄影展——更能激发我了，每次看完回家，我的创作灵感就爆棚，上次看完我就做了个杂志，结果在Substack和Instagram上火得不行。

I don't think anything inspires me more than going to like a an exhibition specifically a photo exhibition, that's when like some of my best work comes out of that because I came home and made a zine after doing that and it went triple platinum on Substack and Instagram.

这是我做过最得意的一本杂志。

I'm my favorite zine I've made.

这个月我得多去几次。

So, need to do that more this month.

至于其他媒体，我最近一直在听平克·弗洛伊德的现场版。

In terms of other media, I've been listening to a lot of, live Pink Floyd.

我都不知道这些都在Apple Music上，我可是Apple Music的铁粉。

I didn't realize that was all on Apple Music, I am an Apple Music gal.

我不确定你们能不能听现场演出，反正我最近一直在听Pink Floyd的现场版。

I don't know if you could listen to like live sets so I've just been listening to a lot of live Pink Floyd.

最近我还发现了Annabelle Dinda，又是Kat，这姑娘在这期节目里又出场了——是她把我安利给Annabelle Dinda的，她在TikTok上刷到的，那首《The Hand》真的超好听。

Also recently discovered Annabelle Dinda, again, Kat is becoming so prominent in these episodes, Kat Kat got me into Annabelle Dinda, she found her through Tiktok and her song The Hand is really, really great.

另外，我最近还一直在看网上的公开课。

And then another thing I've been consuming is online lectures.

我真的好想念上学的日子。

I miss education so much.

我从今年夏天六七月毕业之后就再没回过学校了，真的超想上学的。

I've been out of education since like June, July, graduated last summer and I miss education so bloody much.

我简直羡慕死那些还在读书的人了。

I'm so jealous of people in education.

所以我就开始看网上的公开课了。

So, what I've been doing is online lectures.

有个叫格雷沙姆学院的机构，专门在伦敦做通俗易懂的教育讲座，他们既有现场活动，好像在霍尔本那边，也能在线看，YouTube上也能回放，我这周刚看了他们一场讲座，题目是《你会成为AI的宠物吗？》

There's Gresham College which specialises in like accessible education in London, they do public lectures and you can go to them in person, I think they're in Holborn, but they also post them online and you can watch them on YouTube or you can like watch them live online and I watched their lecture this week, will you be AI's pet?

我一半当播客听的，另一半是在咖啡馆看完的，通勤路上听的时候，我还边听边记在了我的‘兴趣研究本’里——这本子纯粹是记些好玩的、不打算做成节目的东西，但这次我真玩得特别开心，特别过瘾。

I like listened to half of it like a podcast and then finished watching it in a cafe, like I listened to it on the way and I kept my notes in my research journal, this is my research for fun journal, which is meant to be things I researched just for fun and don't turn into episodes or like content, but I was having such fun and I really enjoyed this.

我当时就想，得做个公交上的导览，专门讲讲这个。

I was like I need to make a tour on the bus about this.

这场讲座叫《你会成为AI的宠物吗？》，主讲人是马特·琼斯。

So the lecture was called Will You Be AI's Pet by Matt Jones.

太有意思了，讲者的孩子就在现场，他PPT里还全是自家狗狗的照片，一下子让我想起以前上学时的氛围——虽然我老师没带孩子来，但她偶尔真会把自家狗的照片放进去，我觉得她就是这么个风格。

I had such fun, the man's kids were in the audience, like, he's he's got photos of his dogs on the lecture, it was given, it was a real flashback to unique culture because obviously it's a lecture, not that my lecturer had her children in the audience, but she actually did include her dogs sometimes, I think.

我其实特别关注AI，尤其是AI的反抗、AI带来的伤害这些，算是我兴趣里的一个小分支。

Anyway, I have a real interest in, like AI, AI resistance, harms of AI, like, I've got like a sub interest in AI technology.

我对AI的兴趣，很大程度上是从劳拉·贝茨的《性别歧视的新时代》这本书开始的，从那以后，我有了不少机会去聊、去研究AI相关的话题。

My interest in AI largely stemmed and I would say started from Laura Bates New Age of Sexism book, which I've had some like great opportunities to like talk and research about AI ever since.

我之前在‘人人有份’这个公益组织做点事，聊到最近推特上发生的事——Grok，就是推特那个生成式AI助手，有人开始让它干些离谱的事，比如发张女人照片，输入‘把这女人上衣脱了’，甚至拿《怪奇物语》里霍莉·惠勒的照片，让人家AI把她P成穿比基尼的样子，这些事居然都被系统放行了。

I was doing some work with Everyone's Invited, is a charity, talking about what happened recently on Twitter where Grok, which is like like the generative AI AI assistant on Twitter, people began using it to like undress women and children, like photos being like grok, take this woman's top off, like change people were doing it to Holly Wheeler from Stranger Things, like replying to photos of children on Twitter and being like put Holly Wheeler in a bikini and this was enabled, this was allowed.

现在是有了些限制，后来又加了更多，但根本就不该发生这种事。

There's been restrictions now and there's more put in place now, but that should never have happened in the first place.

所以我跟‘Everyone's Invited’一起做了一个关于这事的视频。

So I made a video about that with everyone's invited.

哎呀，我这话题扯得有点远了。

Anyway, I'm getting on a real tangent here.

说这么多就是想讲，我真的很关注AI，所以对这场讲座特别感兴趣。这其实是系列讲座的第三场，我还得回去补听另外两场。

All is to say there, sorry, I'm very interested in AI, so I very interested to do this lecture, and it's part of a three part series of lectures, I need to go back and listen to the other two.

但光看标题《你会成为AI的宠物吗？》，其实有点让人摸不着头脑。

But it doesn't really make sense, I would say, from the title alone of Will You Be AI's Pet?

不过光是看简介我就被吸引住了，我直接念给你听吧。

But the description alone had me hooked and I'm just going to read it to you.

讲座人是这位先生，他养了两只狗。

So the details are: this is the guy, the lecturer, I have two dogs.

每当我下班回家，它们都摇着尾巴，特别开心地迎上来。

They are happy, wagging their tails and reacting well when I come home from work.

它们吃得好，医疗有保障，每天都有运动，还有玩耍的时间。

They are well fed, have good health care, get daily exercise and have times of play.

它们不用干活，也不用做家务。

They do not work or do chores.

但它们早已逝去的祖先可是狼啊——对着月亮嚎叫、捕猎、组建族群、冒险闯荡。

But their long gone ancestors were wolves, howling at the moon, hunting, creating their packs, taking risks.

在这场讲座里，我们会探讨人类被AI驯化的过程，既思考其中的好处，也清楚地看到代价。

In this lecture, we will consider a similar domestication of humans by AI, pondering benefits as well as being clear about the costs.

我觉得他挺中立的。

He was quite unbiased, I'll say.

他留了很大空间让你自己去思考，自己去判断：在被AI驯化这件事上，你到底想站在哪一边？权衡利弊之后，你该怎么选？这让我特别想深入研究，继续琢磨，所以才决定专门做一期节目，因为我觉得这真是个绝妙的角度，能让我们看清AI是如何悄悄驯化我们的，它已经多深地融入了我们的生活，又让我们付出了什么代价。

He left a lot of room for you to form your own thoughts and opinions as to where you want to stand in this like weighing up the costs and the benefits of becoming domesticated by AI essentially but it left a lot of room for me to like research and go on and really think about this which is why I want to do an episode about this because I think it's such an interesting way to illustrate how we as humans are being domesticated by AI and how deeply incorporated it is becoming in our lives and at what cost.

这代价真的很大，今天我想聊聊这个，因为我生活在一个信息茧房里，总觉得周围人都跟我想法一样，但我很清楚，事实根本不是这样。

And it's a huge cost and I kind of want to discuss that today, because I live in quite an echo chamber where I think everyone is kind of like on the same wavelength as me, but I'm so aware that that's not true.

在我脑子里，大家都是‘去他的AI’——讨厌AI取代工作，觉得它在毁地球、毁社会。但我也很清楚，这种想法只是少数派。

In my head we're all in this like fuck AI, like we all hate AI, like stop using it to replace people's jobs, like this is like killing our planet, this is killing us as a society, but this is I'm very aware, a minority viewpoint.

你去咖啡馆看看，对了，我昨天就在一家咖啡馆，到处都是人，一开口就是‘Open AI’、‘Open AI’。

And you look around in cafes, where was I yes I was in a cafe yesterday, people just I just you just everyone screams Open AI, Open AI.

以前我坐在大学课堂里，总看见图书馆里有人用AI写论文。

I used to sit in uni lectures and watch people in the library write their dissertations using AI.

我知道自己是少数派，但要让大家开始讨论这事，就得靠这样的内容。

I'm very aware I sit in the minority but the only way to start these conversations and get people talking about this is things like this.

最近这种情况越来越多了，AI已经深深嵌入我们的生活了。

And it's just cropping up more and more recently, like how embedded AI has become in our lives.

我另一个室友昨天回家，说她去了一家同志酒吧——具体哪家我也不清楚——聊到他们用AI做活动海报，而不是请本地艺术家，本来那些艺术家很可能是LGBTQIA群体里的同志或跨性别者。

Like my other flatmate came home yesterday and she was talking about, it was a gay bar, I don't know which gay bar it was, but talking about how they'd used AI to make one of their club posters, like one of their event posters, instead of hiring like a local artist and this likely would have been a queer, trans, someone under the LGBTQIA umbrella who would have, like artists they would have reached out to.

我不确定他们是不是有固定合作的画师，但总之，AI正在抢走的不只是工作，更是我们身边人的生计，甚至是在破坏整个社区。

I don't know if they have one they usually use, they're then replaced or just in general, but, like we're seeing how embedded this isn't taking like the jobs and the livelihoods away from everyone around us, it's actively damaging communities.

还有个例子，我朋友刚搬去伦敦，我们聊找工作的事，他说打算去当地大学做家教，还说他的卖点就是‘我是真人’——我一听就傻了，现在当家教的竞争力，居然只是‘我不是AI’？

Even as well, like another example, my friend had just moved to London and we were talking about what you're to do for work here and he was saying how he was going to do some tutoring at local universities, like students, local students, and he was like, yeah, my USP is that I'm human and I was like this is crazy that your USP as a tutor is just the fact that you are human and you're not scraping information from other sources online as like a generative AI source.

然后我才意识到，不只是家教要失业，过去人们找人帮忙写论文、做学术辅导，现在全被AI取代了。

And then I was like, wait, not even the tutor is going to be losing their jobs, but it's true, like a lot of the things people would have turned to previously humans for, for like academic help, is just being employed by AI.

我觉得太疯狂了，生成式AI刚兴起没多久，现在当家教的卖点居然成了‘我是人’。

And I just think it's crazy that we're in this time period so quickly in the advent of generative AI where your USP now as a tutor is that you are human.

这期节目来得真及时。

So, timely episode.

我之前做过好几期关于AI的节目，反响都不错，真希望咱们能继续聊下去。

I've done a good few episodes about AI and they've always landed well, so I'm excited to keep this conversation going.

我得不断提醒自己，这其实是个少数派观点。

And I just need to keep reminding myself that this is a minority viewpoint.

所以总结一下，我们正面临变成AI宠物的风险——也就是说，AI正在慢慢驯化我们，把人类变成温顺的家养动物。

So anyway, the lecture like takeaway is that we're at risk of becoming AI's pets and by that we are essentially being tamed and domesticated as humans by AI.

那个演讲者先讲了狼，说狼以前多独立，野生的，自己觅食、自己生存，完全不靠人类。

And the explanation that the guy gave obviously firstly was talking about wolves, how they used to be very self sufficient like wild beings that like lived in the wild, did everything for themselves, they were not reliant upon humans or anyone else to do all these things for them.

再看看狗，它们本来也是狼演化来的，那么独立的生物，现在呢？活得那叫一个舒服：有高档狗床、私人定制药物、定期看兽医、吃营养餐，每天主人还按时遛弯儿，生活被安排得明明白白。这当然对狗好，对人类也有好处，能陪伴解闷，但说到底，这种优待是真为狗着想的。

And then you look at dogs who obviously evolved from wolves, these very self sufficient beings and now how pampered and catered to dogs are as pets to humans and they benefit from that obviously, massively, they have beds in high seas, they have like personalised medication, they get taken to the vets, they are fed, they, some dogs even have diets, like dogs are very pampered to beings, they are taken on walks everyday routinely by their owners, dogs live this very catered to lifestyle and that is intended for their benefit, for humans benefit as well in terms of the companionship they give to humans, but like, this is in the interest of the dog, realistically, when you look at how well treated they are.

演讲者把这比作我们人类和AI的关系：十年前，我们哪一样不是自己干？可现在，AI正飞快地把那些能力都替我们拿走了。

The lecture paralleled that to us as humans with AI talking about how we as humans, obviously, if you look at humans even just ten years ago, we didn't lack the ability to do all these things for ourselves that AI is quickly replacing.

你看，它能帮你报税、写邮件、列购物清单，甚至给你规划一日三餐。

If you look at things like your tax return that it will do for you, it will write your emails, it will write your shopping list, will come up with a meal plan for you.

AI正悄悄渗透进来，取代我们原本自己做的各种事情。

AI is slowly seeping in to be able to replace so many of the tasks that we do for ourselves.

他说，随着我们越来越依赖这些技术，我们其实正被AI驯化、圈养，慢慢丧失自己动手的能力，可这却被包装成好处。

And he was talking about how as we embed this into our lifestyle more, we are essentially being domesticated and tamed and caged by AI into no longer being able to do these things for ourselves, but it's spun as a benefit.

说是省事、高效、节省时间，可我不觉得这是好事。

Spun is resourceful, as efficient as saving but I don't see it as a benefit here.

在我看来，这分明是被AI关进了笼子，被驯服了——而且事实就是，我们自己做这些事的能力正在退化。

I see this as us being caged and domesticated by AI and factually we know it's decreasing our ability to do these things for ourselves.

如果你严重依赖生成式AI帮你写东西、替你思考、替你创造，那你那些认知能力、那些技能，迟早会生锈。

If you're heavily reliant on say generative AI to do all these tasks for you, to write things for you, to think for you, to create for you, you are losing your cognitive abilities for, like, to retain these skills.

这可不是我瞎说的，我从不乱讲没根据的话。

There's, this is obviously backed up, I would never spew untrue things.

我引一段《卫报》的文章：当你被动接收信息，而不是靠自己动脑去获取知识，你对所学内容的意义、影响、伦理和准确性的批判性分析能力，就会被那看似快速又完美的答案轻易掩盖。

I'll quote here from a Guardian article, By being served information rather than acquiring that knowledge through cognitive effort, the ability to critically analyse the meaning, impact, ethics, and accuracy of what you have learned is easily neglected in the wake of what appears to be a quick and perfect answer.

我们正在丧失批判性思考的能力。

We are losing our ability to critically think.

就连研究也表明，用AI来代替记忆任务，会削弱你自己的记忆力。

Even studies have shown that use of AI for memory related tasks will lead to a decline in your own memory capacity.

一旦把思考、创意和解决问题的活儿全丢给生成式AI，我们的认知能力就会被实实在在地削弱。

It is actively diminishing our cognitive thinking skills, our creativity skills, our ability to problem solve when we delegate this to generative AI.

用起来太顺手了，因为它啥都能干，可正因如此，你内在的这些能力反而在退化——就像肌肉，不练就废了。

It's so easy to become reliant on it because it can do all these things, but in doing so you're losing those abilities within yourself and it's like a muscle if you don't train it, you'll lose it.

你得经常用这些能力，才能保持住它们，可现在不练反而越来越容易了。

You need to use these skills to retain them and it's increasingly easy to not need to use these skills.

是，它可能让你更高效，看着好像提升了工作效率、改善了生活，但代价是你自己的脑子、你的潜能，全被掏空了。

Yes, it might make you more efficient, it might seemingly improve your workload, your life, it's at the complete detriment of your own capacity and your own self and your own brain.

这期节目让我特别有共鸣，今天早上我在公交车上录这期内容，自己都忍不住嘀咕：天啊，我是不是有点走火入魔了？我不是说成了邪教徒——用这个词不对——但我想，旁边的人听了肯定觉得：这姑娘被洗脑了。可我真的觉得，像我这样清醒的人太少了，我们得站出来反对这种趋势。

And I feel so radicalised this episode, like, I was doing this episode on the bus this morning and I was like, God, I feel like, not cultish, cultish is not the right word, but I was like, people around me might hear me and be like this girl has been radicalised, but that is because I just feel like I'm in such a minority that looks at this and is like, we need to actively stand against this.

我知道这不算极少数人，但我也清楚，这绝不是主流想法，因为大多数人其实都在顺从生成式AI，把AI塞进生活的方方面面，越来越离不开这些系统。

And I know it's not a minority minority, but like, I know this isn't like a groupthink mentality where most people hold these opinions because I know most people are succumbing to generative AI, embedding AI in like as many practices of their life as possible and becoming reliant on these systems.

所以那个讲师在讲座里其实是在问：你想变成哪种宠物？

So what the guy was kind of arguing in the lecture was which type of pet do you want to become?

因为如果你完全依赖AI，把生活方方面面都交给它，那你本质上就是条狗。

Because someone who is most reliant on AI and embeds this completely into their life, you are essentially the dog.

你主动放弃了自己的主见和掌控权，把一切都交给了AI：你来帮我搞定所有事吧，我才不要当狼呢，那种自给自足、独立自主的祖先早就过时了，我乐意当条狗，你帮我安排好一切，我就负责玩、睡、放松。

You are giving up your agency and your control and handing that over to AI to be like, do all these things for me, fuck being a wolf, long gone are those ancestors of being self sufficient and independent, I will happily be a dog and let you sort everything in my life for me so I can just play and sleep and relax.

我觉得这种生活方式挺无知的，对个人能力的成长也没啥好处。

Which I would say is quite an ignorant lifestyle and not one that necessarily benefits your capacity as a person.

但他还说，你也可以看看其他几种动物，想想自己想成为哪一种。

But he was saying, look at all these other types of animals that you could be in terms of your stance.

你愿意当只猫吗？

Will you be a cat?

猫可要独立多了。

Cats are a lot more self sufficient.

它们还是会自己出去溜达，自己找吃的，要是户外猫，捕猎的本事基本都能保留下来。

They still go out, like find for themselves, can retain these skills of hunting essentially if you're an outdoor cat.

你知道吗，人们总说你养狗，但养猫的话，其实是猫在养你——当猫的时候，你还能保留一点主动权。他还拿鸟类、鱼类这些动物来做对比。

You know when people say like you own your dog but like if you have a cat like they own you, you retain a bit more power as a cat and then he was even like comparing to animals like birds, like fish.

这场讲座特别有意思，我可不是想复述他所有观点，但核心就是说，我们作为人，到底有多被禁锢，而这种禁锢，其实掌握在我们自己手里——看你愿意当哪种宠物。

It's a very interesting lecture and I don't just want to regurgitate all his information, but the crux of it was kind of talking about how caged we become as beings and how like that's kind of in our hand in terms of which pet you become.

我超爱这种隐喻。

I really love a metaphor.

来个隐喻吧，把狗和狼跟人和AI直接挂钩，多带劲。

Give me a metaphor, let's compare dogs and wolves to fucking people and AI.

我觉得这视角特别好，别把AI当工具，要看到它其实是在驯化我们、压制我们的人性。

But I think it's a very good way to look at it, not as a tool, but as something that is domesticating and suppressing us as humans.

这不光是看你是不是成了宠物，还得想：你的主人是谁？

It's not even just a case of looking at as well as you yourself as a pet, it's looking at okay, who's your owner?

如果你对这些技术、对AI俯首帖耳，那到底是谁在操控你？

If you become subservient to these technologies, to AI, who is it that is then in control of you?

答案就是那些AI公司，比如OpenAI，再看看它们背后是谁在掌控。

And that is AI corporations, things like OpenAI, and look at who owns them.

一旦你被AI掌控，你就落入了这些人的手里——他们根本不是什么好人，没道德、没底线，完全不靠谱。

If you fall to the hands of AI, you fall to the control of these individuals and these are not good people, these are not ethical, these are not moral, these are not good people.

我之前说的Grok在X平台上对女性和儿童的那些行为，其实只是冰山一角。AI系统早就被证明充斥着阶级和种族偏见，这些偏见正在不断加剧社会里的歧视和偏见。

Kind of what I was talking about with what Grok was doing on X and undressing women and children, AI systems are notoriously proven to be ingrained with social class racial biases and stereotypes which are actively refuelling these ideologies within society.

劳拉·贝茨那本《新时代的性别歧视》讲得特别透，AI技术里头早就深埋着这些偏见，它不是在反映社会问题，而是在主动强化性别歧视和厌女文化。

This is a lot of what Laura Batesy's book The New Age of Sexism discusses how embedded AI technology is with these social biases and how it is reinforcing sexism and misogyny within our society.

你越依赖这些系统，越把日常琐事都交给AI处理，你就越是在把控制权交出去。如果你把AI当成主人，那它的背后，就是这种掌控欲极强的人。

So, as well you have to look at the more reliant you become on these systems, the more you use these systems in your day to day, the more you rely on say generative AI to do all these tasks for you, you are relying on a system and if you want to look at it as an owner, a person with this mindset.

比如用AI来筛选简历，这事儿现在太常见了。

Examples here are like using AI to screen a load of candidates for a job.

你自己可能觉得自己并不歧视女性、不 racist，但你用的这些系统，它们的训练数据里，早就被塞满了这些偏见。

You yourself might not think you are a misogynistic, sexist, say racist person, but are the systems you're relying on for these things trained or embedded with these biases already within them?

这种系统里头，性别和种族歧视的例子多到数不清。

There's so many examples of gendered and racial biases embedded within systems like this.

它们不会明着筛白人，但会偷偷过滤那些听起来像少数族裔的名字。

Things like not outwardly screening for white people, but what they will do is filter and flag certain names that are tied to more minority individuals.

比如体育运动，好像更常被跟女性挂钩，而不是男性，像网球会被优先筛选，而足球却被忽略。

Things like sports seem more associated with women rather than men, screening and flagging things like netball over football.

这种小事你可能根本没意识到是性别歧视，但你用的这些系统，是不是早就被这些偏见渗透了？抱歉，我说重了，是已经被深深嵌入了。

Little things like this that you might not outwardly seek to be sexist or misogynistic, but are the systems you're using embedded within these ideologies, Embedded with these ideologies, sorry.

我刚才举的例子可能挺简单的，但核心就是——正如我引用的那句话：当AI渗透到招聘、医疗、执法这些关键领域时，这些偏见会放大社会的不平等。

I feel like those examples I just gave there were quite basic, but all is to say, and I am quoting here, that as AI integrates into critical areas like hiring, healthcare and law enforcement, these biases can amplify societal inequalities.

如果这些系统本身就带着职业偏见、性别偏见、种族偏见、社会偏见，而我们又越来越依赖它们，那只会让这些问题在社会里愈演愈烈。靠这技术，我们根本不是在进步。

Like, if these systems are embedded with occupational biases, gender biases, racial biases, societal biases, and we become more reliant on these systems and that's only going to amplify these within society, We are not moving forward by relying on this technology.

它只是在不断强化这些系统，而不幸的是，掌控这些系统的大都是白人男性，他们决定了AI会讲什么样的故事。

It's only amplifying these systems and unfortunately it's a lot of white men in control of these systems who then shape the narrative.

我前面说的很多问题，其实都指向AI对女性和少数群体造成的性别化、种族化伤害，本质上就是一种根深蒂固的厌女和性别歧视。

A lot of what I've discussed as well does seem to be the gendered, racial and minority harm caused by AI, specifically targeted towards women and minority groups, this lens of misogyny and sexism.

但你别忘了，还有整个地球的代价——我们越依赖这些系统，对环境的破坏就越严重，这你也在亲身承受。

But then you've got the whole planetary impact as well, that by becoming unreliant on these systems you are actively feeling as well.

我总想起那条推文：我说希望AI帮我洗衣服、洗碗，这样我就能专心搞艺术和写作了。结果呢？AI在替我写诗作画，我却还在洗碗刷锅。

I always come back to the tweet that was saying like I want AI to do my laundry and my dishes so that I can do my art and my writing but AI is doing my art and my writing and I'm still doing my laundry and my dishes.

AI替我们做家务、接管那么多本该由人完成的事，这本身就不该被当成理所当然。但至少，让它干点实际的活儿吧——比如洗衣服、洗碗，好让我们能腾出手去做艺术、搞写作、搞手工，享受那些本该属于人类的、能带来真正快乐的事。毕竟，你的艺术和写作带给你的快乐，远超过洗碗吧。

It's not even necessarily to say that it would be okay for AI to domesticate us and to take over so much of our abilities and tasks if it was to do our laundry and dishes, but at least let it be something practical so that we as humans can be fulfilled and supported by the arts and the humanities and the craft and the joy of things that should be human made and that do bring people joy in life because your art and your writing is bringing you more joy than doing your dishes.

虽然我们迟早会走到AI帮我们洗衣服、洗碗的那天，但最先被它抢走的，偏偏就是这类看似琐碎的活儿。

And while we likely are going to get to a point where AI is doing your laundry and your dishes, the first thing that it's taken over is these types of tasks.

它在替人写文章，替人画画，最后把人从这些岗位上彻底挤了出去。

It's doing the writing, it's doing the art and it's putting people ultimately out of these jobs.

这就像现在有些俱乐部，明明可以请社区里的艺术家画海报、付报酬，却偏偏让AI去生成，结果AI还直接扒了那些艺术家的作品当素材，这不就是偷吗？

Exactly what I was talking about with clubs say now asking AI to make their club posters instead of giving that to someone in the community and paying an artist, as well as which the art created by AI is scraping and stealing from these artists themselves.

这事儿背后，一层套着一层，太复杂了。

There's so many layers to this.

就算你用AI干的不是写文章、画画这种事，而是列购物清单、规划三餐、填税表——只要你还在依赖它做这些事，你就在助长这个系统。

And by continuing to rely on and use AI to do your tasks, even if it is the ones that aren't necessarily your writing and your art, but it's your shopping list, it's your meal plan, it's your tax return.

我们正在喂养一种数字化的劳动体系，最终还是会把别人推下岗。

We are fueling this system of digitized labor, which ultimately is still pushing other people out of jobs.

我们正滑入一个越来越资本化的世界，只会让劳工阶层和精英阶层的鸿沟越拉越大——因为最先丢掉工作的是普通人，最先被排挤的是普通人，最先眼睁睁看着机会被AI抢走的，还是普通人。

It's a very capitalistic world we're emerging into that only will create more of a divide between say the working and the elitist classes, because it's the working individuals that are the first to not be able to get jobs, the first to be pushed out of jobs, the first to see these opportunities slip from them into the hands of AI.

而那些能接触到AI、拥有各种资源的人，才能利用它来提升自己，甚至创造新的工作机会。

And it's the people with access to AI, it's the people with all these resources that are able to utilise that to propel themselves but also to generate new jobs.

我看过一篇特别有意思的文章，说正有一群新中产因为能用上这项技术而崛起，文章认为，唯一出路是让每个人都平等获得AI资源，否则，拥有和没有的人之间的差距只会越来越大。

There was a really interesting article I read about how there's like a new middle class forming of people with access to this technology and how potentially the only way forward is to generate equal access for everyone to AI resources because if not we are just going to see a wider disparity between people who have it and people who don't.

这其实又回到了当年科技刚兴起时谈的‘数字鸿沟’——那时候人们担心，有平板、电脑、屏幕的孩子和没有的孩子之间，会在数字素养上拉开巨大差距。

It kind of comes back to this digital divide which was spoken about a lot with like the advent of technology in terms of like iPads, screens, computers and the gap that would form between children who had access to computers, like digital literacy essentially, and children who didn't.

能用电脑和智能手机的孩子，能学会打字、搜索、上网，受益巨大；而那些没条件接触的孩子，明显就落后了一大截。

Children who have access to computers and smartphones, the benefits that stem from that are huge in terms of being digitally literate, being able to navigate computers, being able to type, being able to research and we saw a real gap between children who didn't have that and children who did.

所以现在有人猜测，要解决AI带来的问题，唯一办法就是确保人人都能平等地使用它，别让没资源的人掉队。但问题是，我们真该把‘随时能用AI搞定一切’当成一种福利吗？

So there's been like speculation and discussion that potentially the only way to begin fixing issues caused by AI is to ensure everyone has equal access to them so that the people who don't have access to it don't fall behind, but are we really that positions it as if it's a benefit to have access to all of this at your fingertips.

难道说，能靠AI替你做所有事——那些你不想干的活儿、能帮你省事的琐事——就真的是件好事？

And that's to say it is a good thing to be able to navigate AI to do everything for you, to do all the jobs you don't want to do or to delegate your own tasks to for efficiency?

我觉得问题的根本不在‘平等分配’，而在于——干脆别让任何人用。

I don't think the answer at all lies in equal access, I think the answer lies in taking away access from everyone.

我完全不否认AI的价值，我说的不只是生成式AI，而是所有类型的AI，在医疗领域，它们真的能发挥巨大作用。

I don't at all dismiss that AI, I don't just mean generative AI, but all forms of AI can be used greatly if it's within a medical sphere.

如果AI用来治疗癌症，或者帮助残障人士改善生活，那确实好处多多。但我不同意用它来取代我们自己完全有能力去做的事。

If your AI is being used to cure cancer, if it's being used to support living of someone with additional needs or disabilities, say, There are so many benefits to that, but what I don't agree with is using it to replace things that we have the capacity to do ourselves.

我差点儿忘了提AI对地球环境的巨大影响了。

I almost as well feel like I've completely sidelined the planetary environmental impact of AI as well.

如果你看不到不使用AI对社会是种积极选择，那就换个角度想想：它正在固化、强化社会里的偏见和伤害。

Like, if you can't view not using this as a positive for society, look at it from the lens of like embedding these stereotypes and harms and refueling these in society.

如果你没法从这个角度看问题，那就别拿它干这种事。

You can't view it from that lens, don't use it for that.

如果你不想因为依赖AI而退化认知能力、记忆力和创造力，却还是不愿放弃它，那至少该想想它对地球环境造成的破坏吧。

If you can't view it from the lens of okay, I'm not going to use it because I don't want to lose my cognitive skills, don't want to reduce my memory, I don't want to reduce my creativity, at least look at it from the environmental impact that this is having on our planet.

大家总爱谈耗水问题，可你想想，在英国，除非哪天你一拧水龙头没水了，不然很多人根本不会在意这些环境代价——就像大多数事一样，除非直接影响到自己，否则没人真在乎。

It's so often focused on water, and I feel like, say you're in The UK and until you turn on your tap and it doesn't give you water, there's a lot of people who just won't care about the planetary impact because, as we see with most things, people don't care about them unless they are directly affecting them themselves.

我觉得大家根本没意识到AI造成的污染有多严重，尤其是水资源消耗，可大家老是只盯着水这一个点。

And I feel like people don't understand the scale enough of the pollution and like, the water, like, there's always to focus on the water.

人们根本没意识到AI对地球环境的破坏有多大，所以才不会认真考虑要不要停止助长这种破坏。

I feel like people don't understand enough the planetary environmental impacts of what AI is doing to care enough about not contributing to that.

有一篇特别棒的文章，我待会儿贴出来，叫《建设与后果：人工智能数据中心的人类影响》，专门讲那些支撑AI的数据中心对环境造成的破坏。

There's a really, really great article which I'll overlay, called Construction and Consequences The Human Impacts of Artificial Intelligence Data Centres, which are just specifically looking at, like, the data centres powering artificial intelligence and the environmental impact they have.

这方面的新闻多得是，涉及水资源、能源、公共健康，还有经济方方面面。

And there's tons of there's tons of headlines under this, there's water, there's energy, there's public health, there's economy.

光是用水这块儿，文章就说，我们自己用水已经够多了，可数据中心比人还渴——这些大楼里跑着海量计算，全靠水来降温。

The water section alone is talking about as much as we need water, data centers are even thirstier It takes a lot of water to cool down all the computing that takes place in these buildings.

最让我触动的是，如果你觉得水耗、电耗这些数字太抽象，那不妨换个角度，看看它对公众健康的真实伤害。

The bit that interested me the most, which I feel like if you can't take understanding of the scale of say like the water usage, the energy usage from data centres, look at it from the human aspect of the public's health.

文章提到，这些数据中心常常建在贫困的农村黑人社区，本质上就是在拿这些社区和里面的人做牺牲。

And what it was talking about is how these data centres are often built in poorer rural black communities, and that's ultimately sacrificing those communities and individuals within those.

我们看到的是，哮喘和呼吸系统疾病发病率飙升，甚至出现与污染直接相关的死亡，这简直就是对人们享有清洁空气这项基本人权的公然侵犯。

What we are seeing is higher rates of asthma, respiratory issues, even pollution related death, and a direct violation of the human right to clean air.

看看那些被数据中心伤害的社区吧，你甚至可以说，它们是在被慢慢杀死。

Look at the communities that the data centres harvesting this AI are actively harming and you could go as far as to say killing.

我觉得，想搞懂这一切，最好的参考就是电影《永不妥协》。

I feel like a great movie to illustrate this, to help you understand what is going on here, is Erin Brockovich.

这部电影太棒了，绝对是朱莉娅·罗伯茨最出色的作品，我就放在这儿了。讲的是加州一家能源公司污染了整个城市的供水系统。

This is a phenomenal film, Julia Roberts best work I will say, and I've got it up here, it's about a Californian energy corporation that has polluted a city's water supply network.

好多年好多年，一大家子人接连生病，妈妈得癌症，孩子夭折，可就是没人说得清到底为啥会这样。

So all these families over years and years and years and years are like getting ill, mothers with cancer, children dying and there appears to be like no explanation for why this has happened.

真相是，他们喝的、用的水，全都被这些能源公司污染得不成样子了。

But why it is happening is because they've been drinking and taking from very polluted water from these energy companies.

朱莉娅·罗伯茨演的埃琳·布罗克维奇，就是那个站出来为这些普通人讨回公道的律师。

Erin Brockovich, played by Julia Roberts, is the lawyer that gives these people justice.

可我们现在看到的，不就是AI数据中心在污染、在害人、在让人得病吗？而且遭殃的，往往是黑人社区。

But what we're seeing here is the same thing of AI data centers polluting, killing, causing illness to people around them and that's disproportionately harming black communities.

人人都在谈水、水、水，可我觉得，大家更该听听这种实实在在的人命代价——只有当人意识到环境问题真会要命，才会真正关心起来。就像我说的，除非你走进厨房，发现水龙头流不出一滴水，不然谁会在乎？

There's so much talk about water usage, water, water, water and I feel like a lot of people need to hear more human aspects and impacts like this to begin having an environmental care because I think, like I was saying, until you go into your kitchen and you can't have running water, people will not care.

我又觉得自己说得太激进了，可我知道我没夸张，因为现在真有个叫‘QuitGPT’的大规模运动在兴起。

And again, I feel like I sound so radicalised talking about this, but I know I'm not because there's a massive campaign going on right now called QuitGPT.

这个运动的出发点，倒不是像我刚才说的——大家突然意识到自己不会独立思考了，被AI彻底绑架了。

This campaign hasn't necessarily stemmed from what I've been talking about in terms of people realizing fuck we're like losing our abilities to like think for ourselves, like this has really taken over us personally.

这跟ChatGPT和ICE、特朗普的关联有关。

This is stemming from ChatGPT's associations with ICE and Trump.

你看他们官网写的，OpenAI的总裁格雷格·布罗克曼和他妻子2025年给MAGA捐了两千五百万美元。

So reading from their website here, OpenAI, who own ChatGPT's, their president Greg Brockman and his wife donated 25,000,000 to MAGA in 2025.

他们给特朗普的捐款，是任何其他主要AI公司的26倍。

They gave Trump 26 times more than any major AI company.

ICE用来筛选简历的工具，用的就是OpenAI的GPT-4。

And ICE's resume screening tool is powered by OpenAI's GBT4.

他们砸了五千万美元，就为了阻止各州监管AI，好让特朗普一个人说了算。

They are spending $50,000,000 to prevent states from regulating AI so only Trump can.

所以你抵制ChatGPT，本质上就是在站出来反对ICE和特朗普，因为OpenAI直接在给它们输血。

So by taking a stance against ChatGPT by boycotting that, you are firming your position in standing against ICE and Trump because ChatGPT OpenAI is directly funding them.

这个运动是二月份发起的，他们的Instagram做得特别好，强烈建议你关注一下。

This campaign came out in February, they have a really great Instagram which I'd urge you to follow.

归根结底，他们希望你做的，就是彻底远离他们。

And ultimately this is what they're valuing people to do, to boycott you.

你可以去他们的网站看看参与方式，里面写着：我承诺不再使用ChatGPT，我已取消了付费订阅，或者我在社交媒体上向朋友传播这个抵制行动。

You can go on their website and in ways to participate it says I commit to stop using ChatGPT, I cancelled my paid subscription or I'm sharing the boycott with friends on social media.

所以我现在做的，就是这个。

Hence what I'm doing here.

对我而言，这集节目是想传递一个隐喻，希望更多人能用这个视角来看AI——哪怕不是因为不想被驯化，不是因为环保，也不是因为社会正义，至少就冲着这一点：如果你反对特朗普，反对ICE，反对明尼阿波利斯现在发生的事，那这就是你可以做的一件事。

This episode for me was a case of sharing that metaphor, trying to get other people to start viewing AI from this lens, if not for the view personally of not wanting to be domesticated, if not for the environmental view, if not for the societal view, at least for this view, if you are a person who would say you stand against Trump, you stand against ICE, you stand against what's going on in Minneapolis right now, this is one of the things you can do.

我个人觉得，单从环保、社会、个人，甚至‘特朗普式’的任何一个理由，都足够让我拒绝支持AI了——不只是不支持这些系统，更要避免被它们控制。但如果单个理由还不够，那这所有理由加在一起，总该让你不想再参与其中了吧。

I personally feel like environmentally, socially, personally, Trumply, any one of these reasons alone is enough to not support AI and actively, not just support these systems, but let them control you by using these systems, but if not alone enough, surely all together should be enough for you to want to not participate within this.

我明白，能彻底摆脱它确实需要一定的特权，意味着你有时间、有资源，不需要靠它来替你做事。但话说回来，以前我们不也是这么过来的吗？你完全有能力自己做这些事，毕竟人类以前就是这么活的。

I do understand that there is somewhat a privilege in being able to cut it out of your life because it's to say I suppose you have the time or the resources otherwise that you don't need to rely on it to do things for you, at the same time you used to do that, you did do that, you're fully capable of doing that because this is how we operated up until now.

我觉得我们其实都能戒掉它，但说实话，我属于少数派。我也清楚，现实里我们根本看不到AI会被淘汰的迹象——你看看它现在多深地嵌在社会里，又赚了多少钱。

I do think we can all cut that out, but again, I'm in a minority and I know realistically we're not heading really any way towards a world where it's about to be cut out because look how much it's like fueling society and how much money it's generating.

所以归根结底，还是得靠系统性的改变，这正是劳拉·贝茨一直在谈的——我们还处在AI系统开发和编码的早期阶段，现在还能出手，去减少里面根深蒂固的性别歧视和厌女倾向。

So then it comes down to like the systemic things that need to happen which is a lot of what Laura Bates has discussed and how we are still very early days in the production and the systems, like the encoding of these systems, that we can still act to try and reduce the sexism and say, like, the misogyny ingrained in this.

但说到环保，我们好像已经没救了，而且这趋势一点都没好转的迹象。

But like environmentally, we already seem a bit fucked and that doesn't seem like it's going anywhere.

我觉得马上又要出现一个艾琳·布罗克维奇那样的情况了，大量的人会生病、死亡，到时候非得有个特别厉害的律师才能为他们讨回公道。

I think we're about to see an Erin Brockovich type scenario again where tons and tons of people start dying and getting ill and it's going to take a very great lawyer to give these people justice.

这期节目我就先说到这儿吧，感觉我都唠叨半天了，不过我会在简介里把所有相关资料都标清楚，就当这期是个引子，你们自己去深入研究吧。

I'm going to wrap this episode up here because I feel like I've been talking for ages but I'm going to leave everything tagged in the description because like just let this episode be like a springboard of your own research.

我觉得我真该多做点这种内容。

I feel like this is something I want to reinstate more.

别老从社交媒体、网上获取所有新闻。

You should not be getting all your news from social media, from online.

我一直觉得社交媒体就像个跳板，我很乐意当那个帮你发现新概念、拆解复杂问题的人，但别停在这儿，得自己接着去查、去深入了解。

Like I always just view social media as like a springboard, like I am really happy to be someone that introduces new concepts or breaks down concepts a bit more, but let that be a springboard for something you then go and do your research on.

我会在简介里放个阅读清单，也附上相关链接，你们可以点进去看。

I'll include a reading list and I'll link things like that in the box that you can go read.

对了，开头忘了提一下我的朋友Bestie Beth，她做的美甲简直绝了，全是自己设计的，特别有创意。

Also shout out, I didn't mention Bestie Beth at the start of the episode, but my friend does the most insane, talented, sick press on nails that they design.

我见过最牛的美甲艺术就是她做的，还给我提供了好多期节目用的指甲，毕竟我手老在镜头前晃悠嘛。

Just the best art I've ever seen and they gave me lots to wear in episodes because obviously my hands are so like on camera.

尤其是做拆解类节目时，你现在离得有点远了。

More so when I do the bust episodes you're kind of far away right now.

不过我会贴上这些照片。

But I'll overlay a photo of these.

谢谢Beth的美甲，也谢谢大家收听，我很快再回来，希望能给你们推荐些博物馆和画廊。

So thank you Beth for the nails, thank you for listening and I will see you soon and hopefully have some museum and gallery recs for you.

不过嘛，谢谢各位女神们。

But yeah, thanks divas.