Takin' a Walk with Buzz Knight: Clint Black Shares His Emotional Journey and Legacy in Country Music History

散步中。

Takin' a Walk.

我是布兹·奈特，欢迎收听《散步中》这个播客。

I'm Buzz Knight, and this is the Takin' a Walk podcast.

你有什么想说的吗？

Now, do you have something to say?

不妨用iHeart应用里的互动功能给我发条语音，对节目做出反应，分享你的想法，告诉我你最想和谁来一场理想的散步。

Why don't you use the talk back feature on the iHeart app, send me a voice message, react to the show, share your thoughts, and tell me who you'd like to take on your ultimate dream walk.

我听着呢。

I'm listening.

今天做客的嘉宾，是乡村音乐史上最重要的人物之一。

My guest today is one of the most important figures in the history of country music.

他1989年一出道，就和加思·布鲁克斯、艾伦·杰克逊等人一起，成为所谓的‘89届’代表人物，彻底重塑了整个乡村音乐的面貌。

He burst onto the scene in 1989 as part of what became known as the class of '89 alongside Garth Brooks and Alan Jackson and helped reshape the entire genre.

他的首张专辑《Killing Time》就连续诞生了五首冠军单曲，他超过三十首的热门歌曲，每一首都由他本人创作或参与创作，累计拥有22首冠军单曲，唱片销量超过两千万张，斩获格莱美奖，还同时拥有好莱坞星光大道和纳什维尔音乐名人堂的星星。

He scored five consecutive number one singles from his very first album Killing Time, wrote or co wrote every one of his more than three dozen chart hits, amassed 22 number one singles, sold over 20,000,000 records, earned a Grammy, and has stars on both the Hollywood and Nashville walks of fame.

他现在正在开展‘黑顶巡演’，乡村音乐名人堂也为他举办了大型新展览，他的回忆录《Killing Time》也刚刚出版。

Right now, he's on his back on the Blacktop Tour, the Country Music Hall of Fame has a major new exhibition dedicated to his life and career, and his memoir Killing Time is out.

他是我们这个时代最伟大的创作型歌手之一。

He's one of the great singer songwriters of our era.

接下来，在《Takin' a Walk》节目中，我们欢迎克林特·布莱克。

Coming up next on Taking a Walk, we welcome Clint Black.

这是iHeart出品的播客。

This is an iHeart podcast.

百分百真人制作。

Guaranteed human.

嗨，各位。

Hey, guys.

是我们。

It's us.

乔纳斯兄弟。

The Jonas Brothers.

我是乔。

I'm Joe.

我是凯文。

I'm Kevin.

我是尼克。

And I'm Nick.

猜怎么着？

And guess what?

我们做了一个自己的播客，叫《嘿，乔纳斯》。

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

我们搞了个播客？

We invented a podcast?

其实也不是我们发明的。

Well, we didn't invent it.

我们只是参与了制作。

We we just contributed to it.

有些人就是喜欢做播客。

People to do podcasts.

我们可以问别人问题，因为我们受够了总是被问来问去。

We get to ask other people questions because we're sick

而且也厌倦了不断回答问题。

and tired of being asked questions.

说‘受够了’可能有点夸张，但确实挺累的。

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, know Tired and sick.

累得不行了。

Tired and sick.

收听《Hey Jonas》请到

Listen to Hey Jonas on

iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客，或者你常用的播客平台

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

都能找到我们。

you get your podcasts.

就听着就行。

Just listen.

我们不在乎你在哪儿听。

We don't care where

你在哪里听都行。

you hear it.

又一档由SNL深夜喜剧人做的播客，不过这次是《Humor Me》与罗伯特·西格尔和他的朋友们一起做的。

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite, on humor me with Robert Smigel and friends.

我和一众搞笑嘉宾，从鲍勃·奥登科克到戴维·莱特曼，帮你变得更幽默。

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

这期嘉宾是SNL的米基·戴和首席编剧斯特里特·赛德尔，他们帮一支无伴奏合唱团改进演出时的串场话。

This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

你们团体一般在哪里演出？

Where does your group perform?

我们会在一些养老院表演。

We do some retirement homes.

这些人太需要有人陪他们聊天了。

Those people are starving for banter.

欢迎收听罗伯特·西格尔和他的朋友们的《Humor Me》，在 iHeartRadio 应用、苹果播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台都能找到。

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

我给自己编的故事，会悄悄影响我的行为，甚至让我无意中破坏了与人建立联系的机会。

The story I told myself can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection.

今年心理健康宣传月，如果你正在寻找一个温柔的落脚点，来帮助自己走向完整，那么《Deeply Well》与黛比·布朗的这档播客，就是为你准备的。

This mental health awareness month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown if you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you.

想听更多内容？请在 iHeartRadio 应用、苹果播客，或你常用的任何播客平台收听《Deeply Well》与黛比·布朗，来自 Black Effect 播客网络。

To hear more, listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

这是西贡，关于我的家庭，以及塑造了我们的那个国家的故事。

This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us.

来自 iHeart 播客，《西贡》。

From iHeart Podcasts, Saigon.

你不会觉得我是在开玩笑吧，关于一个自由的越南？

You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam?

一座城市，一个分裂的国家，一场撕裂美国的战争。

One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart.

关于越南。

For Vietnam.

他们

They're

把帕特里克到处都洒满了。

pouring Patrick all over here.

为越南争取自由。

Freedom for Vietnam.

一场大火即将席卷这个国家，

There's a fire coming to this country,

烧尽一切。

and it's going to burn out everything.

收听《西贡》，请在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客或你常用的播客平台收听。

Listen to Saigon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

散步。

Taking a Walk.

欢迎来到《散步》播客，克林特·布莱克先生。

Clint Black, welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast, sir.

很高兴能来。

Good to be here.

我坐着就能说。

And I I can do it sitting down.

那就更好了。

Even better.

没错。

That's right.

克林特，你在出名之前，一直在德克萨斯的夜总会巡演。

So, Clint, you came up playing the Texas, nightclub circuit before anybody knew your name.

那段经历让你对演出和与观众建立联系有了哪些领悟？

What did those years teach you about performing and connecting with your audience?

学到了很多东西。

Lots of things.

先收钱。

Get the money up front.

提前把那五十块拿到手。

Get that $50 in advance.

我觉得其中一点是，只要有人来，我都特别感激。

You know, I I think one of the things that came out of it was appreciating anyone who shows up.

有时候台下一个人没有，我就对着吧台后面擦杯子、可能还懒得理我的酒保唱。

There were times no one showed up, and and I was playing to the bartender who was cleaning glasses and trying to ignore me probably.

怎么在台上放松，这事儿真不自然，谁也不是天生就会站上去，然后说：嘿。

How to how to be comfortable on stage, You know, it's not a natural thing for us to get up there and, you know, hey.

我就开始我的表演了。

Here I go with my thing.

所以关键是要在台上自在，随时准备应对各种状况——有人冲上台想抢我的口琴，或者台下打起来了，警察冲进来把人从舞池拖走，你都得能应付，还得知道什么时候该停，什么时候该继续。

So just being comfortable on stage, being ready for anything, whether it's someone coming up on stage and trying to take my harmonica or a fight breaking out and the sheriff's coming in and dragging someone off of the dance floor, being being ready for just about anything and knowing when to stop playing and when to keep going.

但最重要的是，谢谢你愿意来，真的非常感激。

But the most important thing would be thank you for showing up, being grateful for that.

恭喜你完成了《Killing Time》。

Congratulations on Killing Time.

我想问你，这个过程对你来说是什么样的？

I wanna ask you, what was that process like for you?

那真是深入挖掘了你的生活、你的职业生涯，还有你辉煌的成就，但对你个人而言，这个过程到底怎么样？

It was, going deep certainly into your life and your career and, your great legacy, but, what was the process like for you?

写这本书？

Writing the book?

是的。

Yes.

主要是和克雷格、谢尔伯恩聊了很多，他帮我把对话整理成文字。

It was, a lot of talking with Craig, Shelburne and, him transcribing that for me.

他做了大量调研，整理成文档给我，还帮我把结构理清楚，比如怎么安排章节。

He did a lot of research and and put that on a document for me and then, you know, helped me with the structure, you know, organizing chapters.

从那以后，我就把我说过的话或者我们讨论的内容，用自己的话重新组织，按我平时讲故事的方式讲出来。

From there, it was really me taking what I had said or what we were writing about and putting it in my own words and telling the story the way I would tell it.

后来得决定哪些留、哪些删，我参考了克雷格的建议，还有哈珀柯林斯出版社编辑的意见。

Eventually, I would have to decide what to leave in and what to leave out, Took his input on that and and my editor at Harper Collins.

回顾那些记忆对我来说是一种释放，有时很有趣，甚至笑出声，回忆起自己过去的生活；有时又特别伤感，重新感受那些已经逝去的时光，体会那份失落。后来实在熬得太久，每天对着电脑十到十二个小时，赶截止日期，根本停不下来，整个人陷得太深，就算强迫自己休息、离开电脑，它也像磁铁一样把我吸回去。

And the exploration of those memories for me was cathartic, fun, funny laughing at my life at times, and at times very emotional, reliving this thing that is no more, feeling the loss of that past, and and then eventually getting to the point of fatigue and headaches from just, you know, ten, twelve hours a day sitting at the computer trying to hit my deadline and not being able to walk away from it, becoming so immersed in it that even when I decided to take a break and get away from it, it was like a magnet, and it would pull me back.

我总是忍不住又坐回电脑前继续写，搞得头都疼了，最后终于觉得写完了，结果编辑又说还没完。

And I'd be right back at the computer working on it and getting headaches and eventually calling it finished and then having my editor call it not finished.

他们向来如此。

They have a way of doing that.

没错。

Yeah.

但我真的很享受这个过程。

And, I loved it, though.

其实早在开始之前，我就知道自己有多幸运，能有编辑帮我把这本书打磨得更好。

I I knew before we even started this how lucky I was, going to be to have an editor helping me make it better.

所以我全身心投入了这件事。

So I was all in on that.

但我没料到，我得反复重读、重写，一遍又一遍地查找错误和错别字，几乎要把整本书翻来覆去地过上好多遍。那时候，光是认真读完它都不容易，得强迫自己别草草掠过表面，而是真正专注地细品每一个字。

But I I didn't realize how many times I would have to reread, rewrite, look for errors and typos, and just go over and over and over and over the book again and again to the point where, it took a lot of focus just to read it carefully and not skim along on the surface of what I had written, but to really stay focused on it.

当我快写完、正在做最后打磨的时候，那些关于我自己的生活、关于失去父亲的回忆，突然狠狠击中了我，让我又一次哭得稀里哗啦。

And when I was at the end of it and and doing that, that's when I was most impacted by my own life and and things like losing my dad and things that just just broke me and made me sob all over again.

重温一段过得充实的人生，真是一场情感的过山车。

Reliving a life well lived is an emotional ride.

你这一生，无论是做人还是做事，一直以真实、坦诚和坚韧著称。

Well, you have always had as a hallmark to your life and career authenticity and truth and a genuine resilience.

这些特质在书里闪耀得特别明亮，哪怕在最艰难、最黑暗的时刻，也一样清晰可见。

And that comes shining through in the book so brilliantly on so many levels, even at very difficult dark periods.

我先挑几个点说说。

I'm gonna pick out a few elements here first of all.

就是那个来自《Variety》的记者，当时是吧？

So that moment when that writer from it was Variety, wasn't it?

就是那个——

Who-

是的。

Yeah.

就是那种人。

One of those.

《综艺》的那位好莱坞记者写了一篇关于你和丽莎分居、不再在一起的文章。

Hollywood reporter of variety wrote the story about about you and Lisa living apart and not being together.

你后来联系了他，不止一次，真的去质问那篇文章的内容。

And you reached out to him, let's just say more than once, to really confront that story.

我不想把前因后果全说出来，但你到现在还每年给他打电话吗？

I don't wanna give the whole background of it away, but do you still call that guy every year?

他几年前就去世了。

He's he's passed away, a good while back.

但有好一阵子，我每年都给他打电话，直到后来明白，再怎么联系也改变不了什么。

But I called him every year for a while until I realized nothing would come of it.

我只是希望他能正视自己报道中的不实之处，想想消息的来源。

I I wanted him to confront the the dishonesty that he was presented with and consider the source.

另一点是，你看，这事儿有多不真实。

And the other part was, you know, see how untrue it is?

你看，我们到现在还在一起，快三十五年了。

You know, we're still together now, nearly thirty five years.

我以前就经历过有人编造关于我的谣言，刻薄、虚假、伤人，各种都有。

I had already experienced, you know, people saying things about me that were cruel or untrue, unkind, and all.

那些事儿从来激不起我的反应。

That didn't provoke a reaction or a response from me.

但一旦有人议论我的婚姻，那就必须站出来回应了。

But when you start talking about my marriage, then it's time to become proactive.

但我觉得

But I think

从长远来看，你虽然一直联系他，就是想告诉他：我们其实还在一起。

in the long run too, you even though you had continued to reach out to him to kinda say, look, we're still together.

如果你没理解错的话，你最终还是尊重了他没有放弃自己信息来源这一点。

You ultimately, if if I have it correctly, respected the fact that he did not give up his his source as well.

是的，我确实这么做了。

Well, yes, I did.

我觉得这事儿挺复杂的，虽然他没放弃那个消息源，但他也没承认对方在骗他，故意散布关于我婚姻的假消息。

I I think it's a it's a mixed bag because while he didn't give up his source, he also didn't acknowledge that they lied to him, that they were purposely trying to spread, false information about my marriage.

所以，这种尊重其实很有限，这么说吧。

And so, the respect was, not widespread, let's say.

你后来遭遇那场严重事故的那段经历，读起来真的特别震撼。

And then the difficult moment where you had that, that terrible accident is is just such a shocking piece to read in that, you know, detail there.

你愿意深入讲这些，一定很不容易，因为那不仅关系到你的身心健康，还牵扯到你的事业。

That must have been really hard for you to go deep into that because that one was not only your your physical and mental well-being, but that was also about your career too.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

重新经历那段经历比当初亲身承受还要难，因为从那以后我做了那么多手术，现在回想起来都觉得不可思议。

It was harder to go through it than it was to revisit it because I've been through through so many surgeries since then that I marvel at it.

你知道吗？

You know?

我现在都快成六千美元先生了。

I'm like the $6,000 man now.

你知道吗？

You know?

做了这么多手术。

So many surgeries.

据我所知，我是那种极少数想详细了解每一步手术细节的人之一。

And I was I was one of what I'm told is the rare bird who wanted to know exactly what was being done in detail.

我甚至一直缠着主刀医生，要他给我录手术视频，最后他真发了我一段颈部手术的录像。

I actually had pestered my surgeon for video, and he finally sent me a video of one of the surgeries on my neck.

我一开始看了五分钟就受不了了，但后来慢慢适应，也就看习惯了那些血腥场面。

And I watched it like like this for the first five minutes and then settled in and got used to the gore of it.

我就是想知道每一个细节，理解每一种症状背后的原因，以及那些治疗到底要怎么调整。

And but I I I wanted to know every detail and understand what was happening symptom wise and what the corrections were gonna be.

对我来说，这简直是现代科技的奇迹，也很感恩自己赶上了这个年代——那时候医学已经有了相当不错的解决方案。

And so to me, it was just this marvel of modern technology and and gratitude for having this happen at this time in in human history when they did have some pretty good remedies for it.

所以对我来说，这段经历是个特别迷人、令人惊叹的故事。

So to me, it's a it's an incredibly fascinating and marvelous story to tell.

我真正纠结的是怎么把细节说得准确，于是我去问了我的主刀医生布雷医生，又挖到了更多细节，确保说得对。

So what I really had trouble with was was getting the details right, and I talked to my surgeon, doctor Bray, and got more details so I could be accurate.

但书里写的，还不到全部内容的三分之一。

But what you see in the book is about a third of it all.

所以只要有人愿意听这些事，我特别乐意讲。

And and so when anyone likes to talk about that stuff, I love to tell it.

书里让我特别有感触的另一点，是你对艺术家和唱片公司之间关系的细致描述，那种坚持自我、在压力下不妥协的艰难，真的让人感同身受。

The other element that really struck me in the book was your very particular description of what an artist faces with their their record label and and how how difficult and challenging that is to stand up for what you believe and to kinda keep strong throughout it.

我忍不住想，今天那些年轻的音乐人读到这些，或许能从中得到一些启发——因为对艺术家来说，这事儿从来就没变容易过。

I can't help thinking about artists of today who might read this and gain some insight because it hasn't gotten any easier for artists.

我觉得现在更难了，你不觉得吗？

It's only gotten more difficult, don't you think?

但对我这样的创作者来说，情况反而变好了，我特别想写自己的歌。

Well, it's gotten easier for artists like myself, who really wanna write their own songs.

现在比以往任何时候都更支持这种做法。

That's more in favor now than ever before.

说实话，我不建议每个人都这么做。

You know, for me, I wouldn't recommend it for everyone.

为了做一个真正完整的音乐人，我愿意放弃一切。

I was willing to throw it all away in order to be as as full an artist as I could be.

如果因为我坚持做自己、写自己的歌，结果什么都没了，那也认了。

If everything went away because I insisted on being an artist and writing my own songs, then so be it.

本来就不该属于我的东西，留不住。

There wasn't meant to be.

我觉得这条路不适合所有人。

And I I don't think that's for everyone.

我觉得这得看每个人自己的信念和什么对自己最重要。

I I think it it has to be according to each's own convictions and what's most important.

我觉得对很多人来说，尤其是要养家的人，经济保障可能比做自己作品的创作者更重要。

I think financial security can easily be more important to people, especially who have families to support, than being the creator of your own work.

直面你最大的支持者，我不会强推这个想法，但我确实希望年轻艺人能亲眼看到。

Confronting your biggest advocate is not, I I don't I would not push that idea on anyone, but I do like the idea of young artists being able to see.

这让我付出了代价，所以你得认真考虑，最好找人聊聊，因为你做的这个选择可能长远来看会伤害到你。

It cost me, and so it should be considered, you know, and, you know, get some counsel on it because, you know, you're you're making a choice that could that could hurt you in the long run.

最终，我彻底离开了主流唱片公司体系，因为我宁愿继续白天写歌，也不愿为了晚上能登台唱歌而放弃自己的创作。

Ultimately, I I walked away from the major label system entirely because I wasn't willing to give up my day job writing songs just to be able to sing on my nighttime job.

这不是适合每个人的选择。

It's not for everyone.

这不是给胆小的人准备的。

It's not for the faint of heart.

我之所以这么坚持，唯一的原因是我最敬重的那些艺术家，都是自己写歌的。

And the I think the only reason I was so adamant about it is because the artists I respected most wrote their own songs.

我特别喜欢那些词曲作者，比如哈伦·霍华德、迪恩·迪伦，还有唐·施尔茨这些人，你知道的，那些写歌却鲜为人知的创作者。

And I loved all the songwriters, all the Harlan Howard stuff, and Dean Dillon and, you know, Don Schlitz, know, you name all of the writers who wrote and weren't known to the to most of us.

默默无闻的英雄。

Unsung heroes.

没错。

Yeah.

我知道他们是谁，当然也很敬重他们，但我更向往创作型歌手这条路。

I knew who they were, and I appreciated them, of course, but I gravitated to the singer songwriter.

我就是想成为那样的人。

That's who I wanted to be.

我不想过那种当明星的生活，虽然我知道成名是难免的，但我更想成为他们那样的人。

I didn't wanna be a star, although I knew stardom was a necessity, but I wanted to be like them.

如果我不能像我的偶像那样，那我宁可不为钱去做这件事。

And, if I can't be like my heroes, then I'm not just gonna do it for the money.

如果时光能重来，以我现在的见识，我可能会换一种方式来处理这个问题。

And, if I had it to do all over again, knowing what I know now, I might have taken a different tact, a different approach to resolving the issue.

但我划了一条底线，就这么定了。

But I I I drew a hard line, and and that was that.

我在书里也承认，唱片公司至少把我的专辑都发行了。

And I do credit the record company in the book for at least releasing the albums I gave them.

我可能是少数几个只做专辑、交出去就完事的艺人。

I may be one of the few artists who just made albums and turned them in.

别人专辑的制作都受各种干预，有一次，唱片公司的人甚至打电话给制作人、联合制作人，还有一次，我觉得连录音师都叫去改东西了。

There were a lot of controls on everyone else's albums, and there was one instance where someone at the record company called the producer, the coproducer, and, once, I think, even the engineer to have something changed.

我全程参与了每一分钟的试听、叠加录制和录音，有人想在我没在场的时候，让录音师改东西，这简直让我无法接受。

I mean, I was there for every minute of the the playback and and overdubs and recording and everything, and to think that someone wanted to step in and and tell an engineer to change something without me there was abhorrent.

所以，我把专辑交了上去。

And so, anyway, I turned in the albums.

他们发了，而且几乎每一张都做了推广。

They released them, and in almost every instance, they promoted them.

这一点，我得承认他们做得不错。

And so I have to give them that.

因为我坚持立场，最后有人说我不少坏话。

Ultimately, bad things were said about me because of my stance.

我的名声确实受到了一点影响，人家觉得我是那个难搞的孩子。

You know, my reputation was, sullied a bit, because I was considered the problem child.

但问题在于，唱片公司根本没法插手我的专辑制作，我觉得这反倒是件好事。

But the problem was the record company didn't get to make my records, so I thought not a bad problem to be.

不过，这也付出了代价。

But it it was, at a cost.

我们马上回来，继续收听《散步》播客。

We'll be right back with more of the Takin' a Walk podcast.

嗨。

Hey.

是我们，乔纳斯兄弟，猜怎么着？

It's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

我们有个大消息要公布。

We have some big news.

什么消息啊，尼克？

What's the news, Nick?

大消息。

Huge news.

我们做了一个自己的播客，叫《Hey Jonas》。

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

我们搞了个播客？

We invented a podcast?

嗯，我们没发明这个。

Well, we didn't invent it.

我们只是参与了制作。

We we just contributed to it.

第一批做播客的人。

First people to do podcasts.

挺丰富的，那边的播客种类挺多的。

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts around there.

但这个特别不一样。

But this one's extra special.

那我们是怎么

So how do we how do we

一起想出‘Hey Jonas’这个名字的呢？

actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys?

我真的记不清了。

I honestly don't remember.

我记得好像是

I think it was

在一次通话中

on a call

讨论该给它取什么名字。

about what we should call it.

当时我们在想，我最初想用我们乐队在乔纳斯兄弟之前的一个名字，对。

And Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers Mhmm.

是这样吗？

Was This

就是这样

is how

你们记得是这么发生的吗？

you guys remember it going down?

对。

Yes.

我对这件事的记忆完全不一样。

I have a very different memory of this.

我们当时在讨论一个点子，让听众打电话来喊‘Hey Jonas’。

We were talking about a thing, bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

我就在小本子上写了‘Hey Jonas’，然后提议用作播客的标题。

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

不过还是谢谢你们记得这个细节。

But thanks for remembering that, guys.

收听《嘿，乔纳斯》

Listen to hey, Jonas on

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts，或者任何你听播客的地方

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

你在哪里听都行。

you get your podcasts.

就去听吧。

Just listen.

我们不在乎你

We don't care where you

在哪儿听。

hear it.

这是另一个来自SNL深夜喜剧人的播客，不过不完全是——欢迎来到《取悦我》，由罗伯特·斯米格尔和他的朋友们带来。

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite, on humor me with Robert Smigel and friends.

我和各种搞笑嘉宾，从鲍勃·奥登科克到大卫·莱特曼，一起帮你变得更有趣。

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

这周，我的嘉宾是《周六夜现场》的米基·戴和首席编剧斯特里特·赛德尔，他们帮一支无伴奏合唱团打磨演出间的互动台词。

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

你们团体一般在哪里演出？

Where does your group perform?

我们会在一些养老院表演。

We do some retirement homes.

那些老人特别需要这种逗趣的互动。

Those people are

他们太缺这种幽默的互动了。

starving for banter.

收听《Robert Smigel 和朋友们》的《Humor Me》，就在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你听播客的任何平台。

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

想象一下，兴奋剂不仅被允许，还被鼓励的奥运会。

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

那就是‘增强版奥运会’。

It's the enhanced games.

有人觉得这太荒唐了。

Some call it grotesque.

也有人说这是在释放人类的潜能。

Others say it's unleashing human potential.

不管怎么说，播客《超人》全程跟拍，深入赛事和运动员身边，记录了一整年的时间。

Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

大概十天内，我就长了十磅。

Within probably ten days, I put on 10 pounds.

我根本停不下肌肉的增长。

I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple Podcasts，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《超人》。

Listen to Superhuman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

法网是网球界最严酷的考验之一，我深有体会，因为我亲自参加过。

The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself.

我是雷妮·斯塔布斯，在《雷妮·斯塔布斯网球播客》里，我会逐项解析罗兰·加洛斯的最新动态。

I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garros.

每一场对决，每一次冷门，以及在红土场上取胜真正需要的是什么。

Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay.

詹娜她啊，虽然一度以三比二落后于鲁巴金，但我真的特别高兴。

Jen, she went I mean, she went down to three to Rubakin' a, but I'm delighted.

没错。

Yeah.

她可是夺冠热门之外最有可能赢得法网的选手。

She's an outsider to win the French, mate.

而且她特别喜欢红土场地。

And And she likes clay.

你听好了。

Listen.

莱娜·鲁巴金现在绝对是世界上最强的球员，我毫不怀疑。

Lena Rubakin' is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually No doubt.

她在任何场地上都能赢。

Win on any surface.

只要她发球状态好，那就别想赢了。

Because if she's serving well, good luck.

现在就坐到法网公开赛的场边，亲身体验这场盛宴。

Consider this your courtside seat to the French Open.

欢迎收听雷妮·斯塔布斯的网球播客，可在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客或任何你常用的播客平台收听。

Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

本节目由美国运通赞助，是 iHeart 女性体育的创始合作伙伴。

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

欢迎回到《散步闲谈》播客。

Welcome back to the Takin' a Walk podcast.

1989 年那批人，你、加思·布鲁克斯、艾伦·杰克逊，那个时刻真的彻底改变了乡村音乐。

The class of '89, you, Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, that moment genuinely changed country music.

当时你们有没有觉得这是历史性的一刻，还是后来才意识到它的分量？

Did it feel historic to you when it was happening, or did you only understand the magnitude of that later?

没有。

No.

当时我就在场，虽然过了好几年才真正火起来，但我早就看出来趋势了。

As it was happening, and it took a couple of years for it to really spin up, and I knew what was happening.

我亲眼看着纳什维尔从六家大唱片公司变成了二十六家。

I saw I saw Nashville go from six major record companies to 26.

要说这功劳归我，我可从来没这么想过。

So, you know, crediting myself for that, I I didn't think that way.

我只是觉得，我们这一代人，既受了乡村音乐大师的影响，也深受流行乐坛巨匠的熏陶。

I just thought there are so many of us who were influenced by all the country greats as well as our pop greats.

我们虽然在做乡村音乐，但我们的音乐偶像里，有老鹰乐队、杰克逊·布朗、詹姆斯·泰勒、巴菲特、西尔斯和克罗夫特，还有洛金斯和梅西纳、西格、斯金尼亚德——这些其实很多都算摇滚，但那时候它们是主流音乐的前沿，直到Soundscan系统出来，才让全世界看清了乡村音乐到底有多受欢迎。

But we were making country music, but a lot of us, our our musical heroes included the eagles and Jackson Brown and James Taylor and Buffett and Seals and Croft and, you know, Loggins and Messina and Seeger and Skinnyard and, you know, I would call a lot of that rock, but, you know, it was considered the more popular front of music until Soundscan came out and and showed the world just how popular country music really was.

所以我看到的是，那些一直努力想闯出头的音乐人，终于得到了纽约和洛杉矶的唱片公司大力投资，把资源都投到了纳什维尔的厂牌上。

So I saw it happening, and I attributed it to all of the talent who'd been fighting to get in, suddenly had the record companies out of, you know, New York and LA really funding these labels in Nashville.

你懂的。

You know?

毕竟，那不是突然冒出来二十六家新唱片公司。

Because it wasn't, you know, 26 brand new record companies.

其实是那六大唱片公司的附属机构和子公司，它们被资助去当地成立更多公司，签下更多艺人，比如十来个、十五个甚至二十个。

It was affiliates and subsidiaries of the six major record companies, but they were funded to go out there and create more companies and sign more artists, ten, fifteen, 20 artists.

所以当时涌入了一大批人才，他们终于有了机会。这就是我看到的具有历史意义的转变，或者说我是这样看待的。原因很简单，就是那么多优秀的人才终于得到了机会。

So there was such an influx of talent who were getting a chance that that was the historic movement I saw or how I saw it and and the reason for it was just so much so much great talent who were given the opportunity.

我们来玩个小游戏，叫“快速五连问”。

Let's play a little game called fast five here.

你参加过的第一场演唱会。

First concert you ever attended.

那应该是默尔·哈加德。

That would be Merle Haggard.

第一张唱片？

First record?

那是小时候的事了。

That was as a child.

等我长大开始去听演唱会的时候，我一直在听摇滚乐，我哥哥们在我很小的时候就把这些音乐带回家了。

When I grew up and started going to concerts, I'd been listening to rock and roll, and my brothers had brought it home when I was really young.

所以我第一次自己买票去看的演唱会是泰德·纽根特和阿姆博伊公爵乐队。

So the first concert I went to, that I bought a ticket to was Ted Nugent and the Amboy Dukes.

那时候他还带着阿姆博伊公爵乐队，开场的是头向东乐队。

So he still had the Amboy Dukes there attached to him, and the opening act was head east.

真厉害。

Wow.

《通往你内心深处》这首歌，从来就没理由不火。

Journey to the center of your mind and never been any reason.

我敢肯定我们也是那部电影的一部分。

I'm sure we're part of that film.

是的。

Yeah.

大热单曲，现场也特别棒。

Big hit, and and it was a great show.

真厉害。

Wow.

太棒了。

That's great.

你第一次用自己的钱买的唱片。

First record you ever bought with your own money.

是的。

Yeah.

我在书里讲过这个故事。

I was, I tell a story in the book.

我以前经常在地上捡到钱，有一次捡到一张二十美元的钞票，我弟弟布莱恩就说，咱们去唱片店吧。

Well, I used to find money on the ground, and I found a $20 bill, and my brother Brian said, let's go to the record store.

他就带我去唱片店，帮我挑了一张他特别想要的专辑。

And so he took me to the record store and helped me pick out an album he really wanted.

那是Uriah Heap的《Look at Yourself》。

And it was Uriah Heap, look at yourself.

我喜欢它，因为封面有个像镜子一样的设计。

I liked it because it had a quasi mirror on the cover.

所以你看，镜子里映出你自己，能清楚地看到自己的倒影。

So look at yourself, and and, you know, you could see yourself in the, reflection.

那时候我才八岁，觉得这特别酷。

And I thought that as an eight year old, I thought that was cool.

你写的第一首歌是什么？写的是什么内容？

First song you ever wrote, and what was it about?

第一首歌叫《时光机》，讲的是穿越到未来、回到过去，那种感觉特别震撼，但什么也留不住，什么都没意义。

First song was, called, time machine, and it was about, just going into the future, going into the past, and it being, you know, mind blowing and all of this, nothing nothing good, nothing to keep.

最后那首歌被我扔进垃圾桶了。

It ended up in the trash bin.

几年前我在一本旧笔记本里又翻到了它。

So I thought, and then I found it in an old notebook a few years ago.

这种东西我永远不会拿给别人看。

It's nothing I would ever share with anyone.

但那时候我在凯蒂高中才艺表演上唱过，反响特别好。

But at the time, I sang it in the talent show at my high school, Katy High School, and I got a great reaction.

我当时一边吹口琴一边弹吉他，对一群孩子来说还挺新鲜的。

I was playing harmonica and guitar at the same time, so pretty novel to a bunch of kids.

反响特别好，还拿了第二名。

And got a great reaction and took second place.

好多孩子往我这儿扔硬币，五分的、一角的都有。

And the a bunch of them were throwing, you know, nickels and dimes at me.

你知道吧。

You know?

就是，嘿。

Like, you know, hey.

给你点钱。

Here's some money.

我们挺喜欢的。

We like this.

我当时心里想：哎哟。

And I'm like, ouch.

哎哟。

Ouch.

谢谢。

Thanks.

哎哟。

Ouch.

你第一辆车里常放的是什么音乐？

First car and what was always playing in it?

我那辆第一辆车没装收音机。

First car didn't have a radio.

那是辆1964年的普利茅斯福瑞三型。

It was a '64 Plymouth Ford Fury three.

那车大得跟鲸鱼似的，就像那首《B-52》的歌，结果只开了两周就坏了。

It was, like the, b '52 song, you know, big as a whale, and, it lasted two weeks.

它在一家U Totem便利店前面抛锚了。

It broke down in front of a U Totem convenience store.

等我跟我弟弟马克赶回去想把车修好时，车主已经叫拖车把车拉走了，他不肯告诉我，也说不上来是哪家拖车公司，我根本没法去找废车场。

And by the time my brother Mark and I got back there to get it running, the owner had had it towed, wouldn't tell me, couldn't tell me who the towing company was so that I could find the salvage yard.

我到处找，一家一家废车场翻遍了，都没找到那辆车。

I looked and looked and looked at all through all the salvage yards for it, never found it.

顺便说一句，这车我花了三百美元买的。

It I it cost me $300, by the way.

那时候我是个 teenager，这车丢了对我来说损失挺大的，但我还是愿意再开一次。

So it was a big loss to me as a a teenager, but I would drive again.

你第一次觉得，我真的能靠这个谋生吗？

First moment you thought I can actually do this for a living?

我大概是十七岁的时候，正纠结未来该走哪条路，本来想当宇航员，觉得得先进空军。

I was I was 17, I think, and I was trying to make a decision for my career path and wanted to be an astronaut and thought the way into that is through the air force.

但我心里清楚，空军根本不会要我。

And there's no way the air force would have taken me, and I kinda knew that.

所以我决定投身音乐，不管能赚多少，只要能养活自己就够了。

So I decided music was it, and whatever kind of a living I made at it would be good enough.

克林特·布莱克的《Hard Way on Purpose》正在国家乡村音乐名人堂盛大展出。

Clint Black, the Hard Way on Purpose opens at the great Country Music Hall of Fame.

走进一个关于你自己人生的展览，感觉怎么样？

What is it like walking through an exhibition about your own life?

我翻了翻自己的储物柜，挑出一堆东西给名人堂，让他们选哪些能讲出这个故事。

Well, it's, I had gone through my storage lockers and pulled a bunch of stuff out for the for the hall to look through and pick what what would they could tell the story with.

之前我看过一部分，但没在名人堂和博物馆里亲眼见过这些展品摆出来。

So I had seen some of it, but I hadn't seen it on display, you know, standing in the Hall of Fame and Museum.

最让我感动的是，和妻子女儿一起看的时候，想到我的粉丝、朋友们也能看到，跟着这些展品了解我的经历。

So I think what was most striking to me was seeing it with my wife and daughter and knowing that my fans could see it, my friends who were all there could see it and follow the story.

其实这些内容对我并不新鲜，因为我刚写完一本书，早就看过不少实物了。

This it wasn't all that new to me because I had just written the book, and I'd seen a bunch of the artifacts.

对我来说，更震撼的是看到他们怎么布置这些展品，怎么安排整个展览——这些我事先完全不知道。

For me, it was more about marveling at the display of it and seeing how they approached laying it all out because that was not told to me.

我对展览最终会是什么样子，一点概念都没有。

I didn't have a sense of what the display would be like.

尤其是和莉莉一起看，特别有意思。

And it was fun to see it with Lily, especially.

她对我的职业生涯了解得没有丽莎多。

She hadn't seen so much of my career as Lisa had.

所以那真是一次令人激动的体验。

So it it was a thrill.

听到凯尔·杨——博物馆的首席执行官——为我做开场介绍，特别打动我。

It was especially moving to hear the the introduction an introductory speech with Kyle Young introducing me, the CEO of the the Hall of Fame.

听他讲述我的音乐生涯，还有我作为创作者和艺术家的故事，那大概是当晚最让我感动的部分。

And hearing him talk about my career and who I was as an artist and a writer, that was, I think, the most moving part of the evening for me.

我真想赶紧去看看。

I can't wait to see it.

我特别喜欢乡村音乐名人堂。

I love the Country Music Hall of Fame.

他们做得实在太棒了。

They do such an amazing, job.