探索纳什维尔的音乐场景：凯莉·哈马克分享她的乡村音乐历程、成就以及对女性词曲作者的见解

在纳什维尔散步。

Taking a walk Nashville.

大家好。

Hi, everyone.

我是莎拉·哈拉尔森，欢迎收听《在纳什维尔散步》。

This is Sarah Harralson, your host of Taking a Walk Nashville.

今天和我一起的，是来自佐治亚州的凯莉·哈马克。

And here with me today is Georgia native, Caylee Hammack.

她以大胆的歌词和极具爆发力的嗓音闻名，全球流媒体播放量接近2.75亿，还凭《Fool the Rounds》和与米兰达·兰伯特合作的歌曲拿下了ACM年度音乐事件奖。

She has built a reputation for bold songwriting and powerhouse vocals, earning nearly 275,000,000 global streams and winning an ACM Award for musical event of the year for Fool the Rounds and Fell in Love with Miranda Lambert.

她的第二张专辑《玫瑰床》被《滚石》和《公告牌》评为2025年最佳乡村专辑之一，她还和畅销书作家卡罗琳·布朗合写了一部同名浪漫小说，把专辑里的故事又延伸了一大截。

Her soph more album, Bed of Roses, has been praised by Rolling Stone and Billboard as one of the best country releases of 2025, and she's taken the storytelling even further with a romance novel inspired by the album, co written with best selling author and Carolyn Brown.

她曾和史蒂薇·妮克丝、里瓦、埃里克·丘奇这些传奇歌手同台演出。

She shared stages with legends like Stevie Nicks, Riva, Eric Church.

今年秋天，她还将加入布鲁克斯和邓恩的‘霓虹月光’巡演。

And this fall, she'll be joining Brooks and Dunn on their Neon Moon Tour.

马上回来，继续收听《Taking a Walk Nashville》播客。

We'll be right back with more of the Taking a Walk Nashville podcast.

这是iHeart播客。

This is an iHeart podcast.

百分百真人制作。

Guaranteed human.

赢了就是赢了。

A win is a win.

赢了就是赢了。

A win is a win.

你们说什么我都管不着。

I don't care what y'all saying.

没错。

Yep.

我就是克里福德·泰勒四世。

That's me, Clifford Taylor the fourth.

你们可能看过我的那些小品，了解我打篮球和大学橄榄球的经历，或者听说过我在体育媒体圈的工作。

You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

现在，我把这些精彩的故事全都带到了我的新播客《Clifford Show》里。

Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

这里没有滤镜，只有真实、直白的对话——对象是运动员、创作者，还有那些值得被听见、更值得被喝彩的声音。

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard but celebrated.

那咱们这就开始吧。

So let's get to it.

想听《Clifford Show》？去iHeartRadio、Apple Podcasts，或者你常用的任何播客平台都能找到。

Listen to the Clifford Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

想看幕后花絮？去TikTok关注Clifford，还有TikTok Podcast Network。

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

当一群女性发现她们都跟同一个老骗子谈过恋爱，她们决定自己动手解决。

When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands.

我发过誓，我绝不会是他最后一个目标。

I vowed I will be his last target.

他别想这么轻易就脱身。

He is not gonna get away with this.

他早晚得付出代价。

He's gonna get what he deserves.

我们总说啊，听你闺蜜的。

We always say say that trust your girlfriends.

听好了。

Listen

听闺蜜的。

to the girlfriends.

相信我，宝贝，在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你平时听播客的地方都能找到。

Trust me, babe, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

这周《Sports Slice》播客，全聊 NFL 选秀，我们请来了一位特别嘉宾。

This week on the Sports Slice Podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest.

NFL 东⻄ Shrine Bowl 的总监埃里克·加尔科做客《Sports Slice》，揭秘选秀球员背后那些关键点——球队看重的隐藏特质、球队常犯的致命错误，还有那些被忽略的潜力新星，这些内幕，你哪儿都听不到。

The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco joins the Sports Slice Podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects from hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else.

如果你想真正了解选秀内幕，这期节目千万别错过。

If you wanna understand the draft like an insider, you don't wanna miss this episode.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《Sports Slice》。

Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

想看更多内容，去 TikTok 关注 Timbo Slice of Life 12 和 TikTok 播客网络。

And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

2023 年，《单身汉》明星克莱顿·艾卡德被指控是双胞胎的父亲，但后来发现这怀孕根本是假的。

In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckard was accused of fathering twins, but the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.

你这测试报告，前后改了两次吧，欧文斯女士？

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms.

欧文斯，对吧？

Owens, correct?

我只改过一次。

I doctored the test once.

是靠一帮网络侦探才挖出这个令人不安的模式的。

It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern.

还有两个男人，也遭遇了同样的事。

Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

格雷格·吉尔克里斯皮和迈克尔·曼吉尼。

Greg Gillespie and Michael Mangini.

我整个人都震惊了。

My mind was blown.

我是斯蒂芬妮·杨。

I'm Stephanie Young.

欢迎收听《爱的囚笼》。

This is Love Trapped.

劳拉，斯科茨代尔警局。

Laura, Scottsdale police.

随着剧情推进，劳拉·欧文斯终于要付出代价了。

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或你常用的播客平台收听《爱的囚笼》。

Listen to Loved Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

欢迎收听《纳什维尔漫步》，我是主持人哈里森。

Welcome to taking a walk Nashville with your host, singer songwriter, Harralson.

凯莉，太感谢你今天能来和我一起了。

Caylee, thank you so much for being here today with me.

你最近可真是好事连连啊。

So many exciting things are happening with you.

是啊。

Yeah.

而且我特别开心能来这儿，因为我们俩刚认识的时候，谁都没什么起色，对吧？

And also, I'm excited to be here because we kinda have a full circle of we met each other, I feel like, when neither of us had much going on, you know?

现在再看看我们俩。

And now look at us.

咱们都站上CRS的舞台了。

We're here at CRS.

咱们真把事儿干成了。

We're doing the thing.

我知道。

I know.

对。

Yeah.

我记得大概是十年前，在CMA音乐节上，通过这儿的另一位主办方认识了你。

It's probably been about like ten years ago when I met you during CMA Fest through another promoter here in town.

那时候你还在百老汇唱歌，看到你这十年来的事业发展，真的特别有意思。

And I remember you were singing on Broadway and it's just so much fun to see your career journey over the past ten years.

是啊。

It's been Yeah.

我过去就是喝酒听歌，不用干活了。

I go down there and I just drink and listen to the I don't have to work anymore.

没错。

Right.

对。

Yeah.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

看到你现在这样，真的特别有意思。

It's been so fun to see that now.

你知道吗，你从百老汇一路走到现在，能和史蒂薇·妮克丝、蕾芭这样的大牌同台演出。

And, you know, you went from Broadway to now sharing stages with artists like Stevie Nicks and Reba.

这些演出里，有没有哪一次特别让你印象深刻的？

Is there a moment from one of these shows that have really stuck with you?

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

我接到一个

I got a

周二接到电话，说周四晚上在大西洋城要我给史蒂薇·妮克丝暖场。

call on a Tuesday that they needed me to open up for Stevie Nicks in Atlantic City on a Thursday night.

时间特别紧，但只要史蒂薇·妮克丝的经纪人打电话来说‘史蒂薇想请你暖场’，那肯定二话不说，立马到位，对吧？

And so it was a quick turnaround, but when Stevie Nicks, when her manager calls and says, Stevie needs you to open for her, you show up, you know?

我们进场演出，全场爆满，直到事后我才得知，她其实偷偷来看了我的彩排。

And so we came in there and we played a sold out show and it was just one of those situations where I didn't know that she had come out to watch my sound check until afterwards.

这真让我大吃一惊。演出时她唱《Landslide》，我就在侧台，和乐队一起哭得稀里哗啦。

And that really shocked me, But that stunned it was a moment as she was performing, she was singing Landslide, and I just bawled side stage with my band.

我们全都在哭，因为这感觉像圆了一个圈——作为一个年轻女歌手，能站上曾经只在观众席最高处远远仰望的歌手的舞台，这简直不敢想。

We all cried together because it's just a full circle kind of situation, I feel like, especially as a young female artist when you get to open up for someone that you never even knew you would ever get to meet or even see in concert, you know, from the nosebleeds one night.

我原本只敢幻想能见到Stevie Nicks，没想到她居然记得我的名字，演出后特意抽时间找我聊天，还鼓励我。

That's all I would hope for with Stevie Nicks, but she was kind enough to remember my name and make sure to make time to talk to me after the show and encourage me.

想想看，如果十三岁的我听到这些，她肯定觉得我在吹牛，根本不可能信。

It's just some moments like that that you think back to what would 13 year old me say if I told her this and she would think I'd be a big fat liar.

到现在，我一回想跟Stevie Nicks一起演出的那些时刻，还是觉得像在做梦。

So I'm just still kind of in awe of the Stevie Nicks shows we did.

是啊，真是既美好又让人谦卑的时刻。

Yeah, what a beautiful and humbling moment.

你和米兰达·兰伯特一起拿过ACM年度音乐事件奖，那场演出，全场沸腾，你也彻底爱上了那种感觉。

And you've also won ACM musical event of the year with Miranda Lambert core, pulled around and fell in love.

你对和米兰达合作的那段经历有什么印象？

What do you remember about being part of that collaboration with Miranda?

太棒了，真的特别酷。

Oh, it was so cool.

那是我第一次有机会跟那些女孩们随便聊聊。

It was the first time I'd ever got to hang out with some of those girls.

我特别感谢米兰达，她其实完全没必要这么做。

And I owe Miranda so much credit because she didn't have to do that.

你懂的吧？

Know?

她完全不用把我们全聚到一起，组织合唱，还自掏腰包制作发行，挂她自己的名。

She didn't have to bring all of us together and rally us together to sing and then pay to produce it and put it out, you know, under her name.

她真的为我们做了很多，那时候我跟阿什顿·麦布赖德特别熟了。

She really did a lot for us because in that time, I really got to get close with Ashton McBride.

我和米兰达也变得很亲近。

I got close to Miranda.

我还跟Toneal和其他那些参与演唱的女生熟了起来。

I got close to Toneal and the other women that sang on it.

我记得那天有个瞬间，我特别特别佩服Miranda，就因为她为人怎么样，对所有年轻女歌手有多体贴。

And it just, I remember there was a moment that day that I'm I'm a huge Miranda Lambert fan just because of what she stands for and how kind she is to all the young female artists that I know.

我当时正要去拿我的包。

But she I had went to pick up my purse.

刚准备走。

I was about to walk out.

她和Ashley正跟Jay Joyce在录音棚里弹歌呢。

Her and Ashley are playing songs with Jay Joyce there in his studio.

Jay给她们俩都制作过专辑。

Jay had produced both of their records.

作为一个年轻歌手，我看她们俩，心里就想，这俩大姐平时忙得连喘口气的时间都没有，哪有空跟朋友瞎混啊。

So, know, as the young artist, I see two older artists that, you know, they never have free time, they never can just hang out with their friends.

她们俩天天在路上跑，根本停不下来。

They're always on the road nonstop.

我当时想，算了，我先告辞吧，别打扰她们俩单独相处，毕竟我是个她们都不认识的年轻歌手。

And I thought, I'll just excuse myself and leave so that they can have more one on one time without some young artists they don't know kinda hanging about.

我正要拿包，米兰达突然看着我说：‘你这是要去哪儿啊？’

And as I'm picking up my purse, Miranda looked at me and she goes, well, where are you going?

我说：‘我打算回家了。’

And I said, I'm just going home.

她又问：‘那你干嘛急着走？’

And she goes, well, why are you going then?

我说：‘我只是想给你们留点私人时间，好好放松一下。’

And I said, I was just gonna give y'all time to hang out.

她立马说：‘别傻了，你也是我们一伙的。’

She goes, no, you're one of us.

把包放下。

Put your purse down.

咱们一起听歌。

We're listening to music.

我觉得，像那样的时刻，对你刚进入这个行业的时候特别重要。

And I just I think that moments like that are really important when you're kinda new in this industry.

是的。

Yeah.

我也说不好。

And I don't know.

我觉得米兰达·兰伯特是这个行业里女性的强力支持者，阿什·麦克布莱德也是。

I think Miranda Lambert is a huge champion for women in this industry and Ash McBride is too.

通过那首歌认识的那些女歌手，现在我居然都能直呼她们的名字了，想想都觉得不可思议。

And all the women that I met through that song, it's just been it's just crazy to even be able to call them by their first names.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

对。

Yeah.

我真的很感激她们。

I'm very grateful for them.

有这样一个社群真的太棒了。

It's so wonderful to have that community too.

确实如此。

Very much so.

在乡村音乐圈里，尤其是我认识的那些女歌手之间，我觉得这是我这辈子最珍贵的友谊了。

The community in country music, and especially around the artists, the female artists that I have in my realm, I feel like those are some of the most valuable friendships I've ever had.

我真的特别感恩。

And I'm just so grateful.

要不是有她们，我早就抓狂了，说不定都剃了头发搬去国外了。

They're the ones that keep me sane and keep me from shaving my head moving to another country.

对啊。

Right.

你的第二张专辑《Bed of Roses》被《滚石》和《公告牌》都评为2025年最佳专辑之一。

And your sophomore album, Bed of Roses, that was named one of the best albums of 2025 by both the Rolling Stone and Billboard.

看到这张专辑获得这样的认可，你有什么感受？

What does it mean to see that level of recognition for this record?

太不可思议了。

Unreal.

其实那会儿我刚离开唱片公司，情况还挺特别的。

And it really it was a really cool situation because I had just left my label.

我几年前就想过要走，但他们不放人，这个我理解。

I had I had tried to get out a few years before and they wouldn't allow me out, which, you know, I get it.

毕竟这是生意。

It's business.

但几年后，Mike Harris接手了公司，我终于如愿以偿地离开了。因为我看到好多朋友，一离开原来那个压得他们喘不过气的小公司，事业反而越做越好。

But a few years after that, finally, Mike Harris came into play at the label and I finally was able to get my wish and my want of being out because I had noticed a lot of my friends, their careers were doing better once they left the label that they were a small fish at.

他们能自己掌握母带、自己做周边，真正做主，而不是像以前那样，十一个人各说各的，一件事审批能拖半年。

When they were finally able to own their own masters and own their own merch and really have true control versus having to go through, you know, when you have 11 chefs in the kitchen, it takes a long time to sometimes get approval on things.

等批下来，那股劲儿早没了。

By the time you get approval, the magic is gone.

时机早就错过了。

The moment is gone.

所以终于能放手独立做音乐，真的让我的生活发生了巨大改变。

And so being able to finally walk away and be able to do it indie has just made such a difference in my life.

而且在创作上，也简直太棒了。

Also creatively, it's been really spectacular.

能离开那个环境，转身某天早上看到《Billboard》和《Rolling Stone》说我的专辑是今年最好的之一，那种感觉真的特别有力量，也特别安心——你看，只要我真心做自己热爱、觉得重要的音乐，真的有人能听见。

So being able to walk away from that, turn around and wake up one morning and see articles where Billboard and Rolling Stone are saying it's one of the best ones of the year, it was such a validating moment and a comforting moment of, yes, like when I put my mind to it and I put out the music that I love and I think is important, other people are hearing it too.

而且说实话，这对我内心帮助特别大，让我在进入这个真正完全掌控创作的全新阶段时，更有底气了，不只是基本掌控，是彻底掌控。

And yeah, it really did a lot for my heart and kind of gave me even more gumption going into this new kind of realm where I have full creative control, not just mostly creative control.

是啊，自己单干确实挺吓人的，但很多人可能没意识到，大家总看到签大厂牌的光鲜，对新人来说，想挣脱束缚、拿回创作权，其实特别难。

Yeah, and that can be a scary thing stepping out onto your own, but I think a lot of people don't realize, you know, everyone seems sees the glam of signing with a big label, but for newer artists, that can be tough to break out and, have creative control.

我知道这很吓人，但同时，能这样自由地做音乐，一定也特别美好，而且是一种巨大的解脱。

So I know it's I know it's scary, but it must be beautiful being able to do that at the same time and A big relief.

如果当初有前辈告诉我，‘我离开之后生活真的变好了’，那些话一定会给我很大鼓励。

And I think if there was an artist before me that were texting me, encouraging me, and saying, hey, my life got better when I left, Those moments were really what helped me.

我想对所有听这段话的人说，哪怕你不在这个行业，也希望你能从我的经历里得到点什么。

I think sometimes, I mean, for anyone listening, say you're not in the industry, I hope that you take something from this.

有时候，当你终于敢甩掉那层保护罩，放下那些自以为安全的依赖，才会发现，原来它早就快把你憋死了。

Sometimes when you are able to take off that security blanket, that safety that you blanketed yourself with, you realize it was almost suffocating you in certain instances.

我觉得，很多创意其实都来自勇敢踏入未知的那一步。

And a lot of, I think, creativity comes from stepping out into the unknown.

如果你在听，而且这段话让你想到了自己生活里的某个时刻，我希望它能成为推你一把的力量，让你勇敢地跳出去，做出那个改变人生的决定。

If you're listening to this and this made you think of something in your life, I hope this is the push to get you to make that big jump and make that big leap.

是的。

Yeah.

我太喜欢这句话了。

I love that so much.

除了你的新专辑《Bed of Roses》，你还和卡罗琳·布朗一起出了一本和专辑歌曲配套的言情小说，这个想法是怎么来的？

And alongside your latest album, Bed of Roses, you decided to release a romance novel tied to the songs with Carolyn Brown.

你是怎么想到要写一本和专辑呼应的小说的？

How did your idea to create a book that mirrors the album come about?

嗯。

Yeah.

用‘呼应专辑’来形容太准确了，简直就是量身定做的说法。

Well, mirror the album, that's exactly the right phrase for it, the right term for it.

我先定了歌单，也已经确认了，后来才冒出写这本书的点子。

I I decided the track listing and I'd already sent in the approval for it when the idea and the concept for the book came to be.

那时候我才意识到，歌单不能改了，但正因如此，反而给了我明确的创作框架。

And I realized I could not change around the track listing, which was perfect because it gave me a certain set of parameters in which to create in.

你写书的时候，总得想清楚写啥吧？

And where, you know, when you go to write a book, well, what are you gonna write it about?

所以这本书的核心概念就是：这张《Bed of Roses》专辑，整体基调偏忧伤。

And so what I did as the concept of the book is this album, Bed of Roses, is more of a sad song centric album.

你从头到尾听完这张专辑，听到的就是我的故事。

If you listen from top to bottom, the way that that album plays, you get my story.

是我过去十年里真实经历的缩影。

You get my experiences in the past, say, ten years of my life.

如果你把整张专辑的歌单倒过来，每一首歌就正好是一章。

But if you take every single song on that record in the tracklist and you reverse it, every single song is a chapter.

它讲的是主角萨姆的故事。

And it tells the story of Sam the protagonist.

所以如果你想找点走心的、更伤感、更忧郁的东西，那就从头到尾听一遍这张专辑吧。

So if you need something that ventures into the heartfelt, more sad, melancholy side, then you can go and listen to just the record from top bottom.

如果你想在一天结束时，来点甜美的圆满结局，觉得一切都会好起来，那就去读这本书吧。

If you want to be able to end the day with a little sweet treat of a happily ever after where things work out and things are going to be okay, then you can read the book.

我觉得在这个我们对什么都做不了主的世界里，连自以为能掌控的那些东西，其实大多都是幻觉。

I think that in a world where we don't get control over anything, and anything we think we have control over, a lot of that is a mirage.

我觉得，对我来说，写这样一本书，这才是真正的浪漫，不是那种尼古拉斯·斯帕克斯式的。

I think that being able to write a book that, for me, that's what romance is, is it's not Nicholas Sparks.

我可不会在我书里让谁的奶奶去世。

I ain't killing anyone's grandma in one of my books.

我也不想让你在结尾哭得太惨。

I'm not gonna make you weep too hard at the end.

我就喜欢那种你知道最后一切都会好起来的故事。

I love a book where you know everything's gonna work out okay for that person.

我就想给这张专辑配上这么一份甜美的安心感，大概吧。

And I just wanted to be able to kinda give that sweet treat assurance, I guess, beside the album.

还有啊，不知道你小时候有没有这样，我可是个不折不扣的同人女。

And also, I don't know if you grew up doing this, but I was a fan fiction girly.

我就是那个泡在Wattpad上的孩子。

I was the Wattpad kid.

每当我最爱的角色在书里或电影里死了，我就会去找同人小说，看别人写他们活了下来，过上了好日子，继续走下去。

And anytime my favorite character would die in a book or in a movie, I would then go read fan fiction that someone wrote that they lived a good life and they went on to continue whatever.

而且每次我最爱的同人小说，每章开头都会放一首歌，还特意提醒你：读这一章的时候，去听这首歌吧。

And every single time, my favorite fan fictions would have one song at the top of every chapter, and it'd be like, go listen to this song as you read this chapter.

所以，我终于实现了当年13岁那会儿在同人圈里最向往的事——每一章都配一首专属的歌。

So I got to kind of accomplish what 13 year old me used to love in fan fiction is every single out or every single chapter has a song that goes with it.

这太棒了。

That's so cool.

这简直是一场听觉和阅读的双重体验。

So it's a listening and reading experience.

是的

Yeah.

太棒了

Love that.

我喜欢这种关联性

I love how that's correlated.

多莉在她的‘玫瑰巡演’里也是这么做的

And Dolly did the same thing with her run, Rose Run.

这个想法其实正是从这儿来的

That was really where the idea came from.

倒不是说想法源自这儿，但这件事让我意识到：哦，原来真的可以这么做

Well, not that the idea came from, but that was what assured me, oh, wait, you can do this.

原来早就有人这么干过了

Someone has done this already.

所以有卡罗琳·布朗参与进来，我第一本书写的时候就知道，光靠我自己肯定赶不上进度

So having Carolyn Brown on it too, the first book that I wrote, I knew I was not gonna be able to do it as quick as I needed to.

我们只有两个半月的时间。

We only had two and a half months.

一开始他们就告诉我，这 normally 得花一年半，但你得在两个半月内搞定所有事。

They told me going into it, they said this is a year and a half project normally, but you have two and a half months for everything.

说来好笑，我这么个完美主义者，结果那本书里居然还有错别字、拼写错误和语法问题，我反而觉得挺逗的。

So what's funny is, as a perfectionist, I think it's humorous that there's typos, there's spelling errors and grammatical errors in that book.

以前的我肯定要疯了，但现在我明白了，这么短的时间我居然真做成了，特别自豪，以后只会越做越好，对吧？

Younger me, that would drive me up the wall, but older me realizes that I accomplished something in such a small amount of time that I'm just immensely proud of, and I can only grow from here, you know?

你得先把第一本书发出去，不管好坏，关键是坚持下去，你的本事会跟着一起长。

You gotta put out your first book and maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but you keep continuing and your skill just grows as you grow.

我现在已经在写下一本书了，特别享受写她的过程。

And so I'm already working on the next book and I'm really enjoying her.

太棒了。

That's great.

对。

Yeah.

你第一本书是和卡罗琳·布朗合作的吧？

And for your first book, you got to work with Carolyn Brown.

和她合作感觉怎么样？

What was it like working with Oh, real.

她听说我在做这事，就主动联系我，说愿意来帮我理清思路。

She heard what I was doing and she reached out, said she was willing to come in and help me figure it out.

太棒了。

Cool.

她这个人，我真的不知道该怎么形容。

She's just, it's, I don't even know how to explain it.

我一提到她都结巴了，真的太佩服卡罗琳·布朗这个人了。

I'm stuttering because I'm in such awe of Carolyn Brown as a person.

这女人写书根本停不下来。

This woman writes nonstop.

她脑子里装的全是创意、点子和故事。

All her brain is is a vessel for creativity and ideas and storytelling.

和她合作真的太让人佩服了。

And it just was so impressive to work with her.

我总觉得她就像个慈祥的祖母，和书里那位祖母形象特别像。

What I kind of had her as was this grandmotherly figure that echoed the grandmotherly figure in the book.

这本书的核心其实并不在爱情故事本身。

The book is really centered around more so than the love story itself.

故事一开始讲的是一个叫萨姆的姑娘，还有位叫凯瑟琳的长辈，她收留了萨姆，带她找到自我，学会做自己——而卡罗琳·布朗一开始就是这样对我的，你懂吧？

It's initially figured around this one woman named Sam and this older woman, Kathleen, who takes her under her arm or her wing and helps her figure out who she is and how to be that person And in this that's exactly what Carolyn Brown started doing, you know?

她答应来听我的想法，读我写的东西，和我产生了共鸣，帮我把作品打磨成现在这样，还给了我很多鼓励。

She agreed to come on and listen to my idea and read what I had been writing, and she connected with it and she helped me bring it to what it is and gave me a lot of encouragement.

她说：‘下一本书，我挑战你，自己写吧，我真相信你做得到。’

She said, this next book, I challenge you, write it by yourself because I truly believe you can.

现在你已经站在这里了，我可以帮你修改、给你建议，但我相信你能独立完成，而且我觉得你至少得自己试一次。

And now that I'm here, I can help you edit, I can help guide you, but I believe that you can do it fully and I think you need to do it at least once.

从那以后，你就再也停不下来了。

And then you're always gonna wanna write.

确实如此。

And it's so true.

我记得，莎拉，我写完那天之后的事。

I remember, Sarah, I remember the day after I finished writing it.

我早上醒来，煮了咖啡，戴上老花镜，想接着写，结果突然意识到——已经没得写了。

I woke up and I made coffee and I went and put my reading glasses on to sit down and keep writing, and I realized there was no more to write.

我记得自己哭了，因为头一回，我居然开始想念我写出来的那些角色。

And I remember crying because for the first time ever, I missed the characters that I had written.

每天我都在写新歌，唱新的角色、心里的人，或者我爱的人，但那次不一样，我花了好几个月，把这些人一点点塑造成形，熟悉得像老朋友。

Every day I'm writing a new song about some new character or person in my mind or someone I love, but that was months of getting to create these characters to the point I knew them so intimately.

他们就像我的朋友，可突然间，我再也写不完他们的故事了。

They felt like they were my friends and and then I couldn't finish their story anymore.

所以写下一本的时候，最棒的就是，我能接着讲他们的故事，再往前走一小段。

So that's the coolest thing of writing the next book is I'm just continuing their story a little bit further.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我超期待听你讲新书的事，而且我 definitely 听过《Bed of Roses》这张专辑。

I'm really excited to hear about the next book, and I've definitely listened to the Bed of Roses album.

现在我得把书拿来看看。

So now I gotta do the do the book and see

会是什么感觉。

how it works.

把你的

Give me your

地址给我。

address.

我给你寄一本。

I can send you a book.

好。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我特别想读一读。

I would love to read it.

所以今年秋天，你不仅是出新专辑的音乐人，还要和布鲁克斯和邓恩一起参加霓虹月光巡演。

So in addition to being an author in your new music this fall, you are joining the Neon Moon Tour with Brooks and Dunn.

和他们一起巡演，你兴奋吗？

Are you excited to be hitting the road with them?

太棒了。

Unreal.

现在听节目的朋友们，我身上穿着布鲁克斯和邓恩的牛仔夹克。

For people listening right now, I have my Brooks and Dunn denim jacket on.

我超爱他们。

I love them.

我非得穿这件不可。

I had to wear it.

从官宣那天起，我就一直穿着它，简直停不下来。

I have been wearing it constantly, chronically, since the date's announced.

这真的特别有闭环感，太棒了。

But it's such a a cool full circle.

我以前开演唱会，没少唱他们的歌。

I played so much Brooks and Dunn in my shows.

我最早的一次大巡演是给卢克·莱恩当暖场，那时候我老唱一些乡村歌。

Like one of my first big tours was opening up for Luke Ryan and I used to play play something country.

现在能跟他们一起巡演，看他们演出、了解他们的工作方式，还认识了他们的团队，真的特别酷。

And so it's a really cool moment to get to go on the road with these guys and see them perform and see how they work and get to know their crew and stuff.

我最喜欢的就是在后台瞎转悠，跟人聊他们负责啥，每个岗位怎么配合的，你懂吧？

One of my favorite things is just wandering around backstage and talking to people about their roles on the teams and how all the different roles are different, know?

每个人都是这场巡演身体里的一条胳膊、一个器官，缺了谁都转不起来。

But every single person is another limb, another organ in the anatomy of keeping the show going on the road.

就是特别有意思。

And it's just cool.

这太有意思了。

It's fascinating.

我知道我肯定得烦到 crew 里好些人，问一堆傻问题，但不问怎么学得会呢？

So I know I'm probably going to annoy a bunch of people on that crew because I ask a lot of dumb questions, but you only learn by asking dumb questions.

是的。

Yeah.

尤其是你从小听着他们的歌长大，能跟他们同台巡演，简直太传奇了。

Well, especially when you grow up listening to them, it's so iconic to be able to share a tour with them.

我想知道所有事。

I wanna know everything.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

所以我特别感激

So I'm very grateful for

他们愿意让我加入

them having me out.

对啊

Yeah.

大家都可以去抢这张即将开唱的巡演门票

People can grab tickets for that upcoming tour.

你也在海外演出过，我们的《Taking a Walk Nashville》听众里有不少海外朋友

You've also performed internationally, and we have a lot of listeners overseas on Taking a Walk Nashville.

你觉得海外观众对乡村音乐的反应跟国内有什么不一样？他们是怎么接受这种音乐的？

How do you think audience audiences overseas respond differently to country music or how they have embraced country music?

所以，任何在海外的听众，下次我过去的时候，你们一定要来找我，跟我说说你们的看法

So anyone listening from anywhere in the world outside of The US, I would love for you to come up to me next time I'm over there and tell me your thoughts on this.

我觉得我们这些音乐人，答案其实都一样

Because I feel like all of us artists, we have the same answer.

就是他们更用心在听

It is they care more.

他们听得很投入。

They listen more adamantly.

他们听得特别专注。

They listen more intently.

我不是说美国的听众不好，但那种感觉，除非你亲眼见过，不然真说不清楚。

They and no disrespect to any of our US listeners, but what I mean is it's in a way that I can't explain unless you've seen it.

我第一次在柏林登台，那是我第一次在国外演出。

First time I went on stage in Berlin, it was my first time ever being on a stage outside of The US.

我一开唱，台下安静得不得了。

And I start into my song and they're very, very quiet.

我唱完最后一个音，台下还是静悄悄的。

And I finish my song and the last note rings out and they're still very, very quiet.

我当时心想：完了，他们是不是不喜欢我？

And I thought, oh no, they hate me here.

我可能不是他们喜欢的类型。

I'm not their cup of tea.

歌刚结束，沉默了两三秒，然后全场突然爆发出热烈的掌声。

And two or three seconds of silence wrung out after the song had finished before they just erupted in applause.

我学到的是——你们觉得我这么说对不对？

And what I've learned is and and tell me if I'm wrong.

接下来这一年，只要见到你们，我都会问这个问题。

This is why I'm prompting this to any of you when I see you over the next year.

我们马上要去挪威。

We're coming to Norway.

我们还会再回德国。

We're coming back to Germany.

我们也会重返苏格兰，还有其他好多地方，不过那些行程几个月后才会公布。

We're coming back to Scotland and many other different places, but that will be announced in a few months.

我想知道你们怎么看，我觉得你们对乡村音乐的专注和热爱，可能比在美国更强烈——毕竟在美国，乡村音乐到处都是。

I want to know how y'all see it different because I feel as if you have more of a focused belief and passion for country music than maybe you get, say, in The US where it's everywhere.

你懂的吧？

You know?

我觉得那边的人对乡村音乐有种近乎神圣的敬畏，我也能从你们身上感受到这一点。

I think that there's a sacredness almost to country music over there, and and I feel it with you.

你们给音乐留出空间的时候，那种魔力我完全能感受到。

I feel the magic y'all create when you give space for the music to exist.

这真是我这辈子最喜欢的事之一。

And so it's one of my favorite things in the world.

是的。

Yeah.

去年我去了一趟，演了两场小型专场演出。

Last year, I went over and I played two different little small headlining stuff.

在阿姆斯特丹，就我一个人抱着吉他，唱了整整九十分钟，结果来了120个人。

It was in Amsterdam, and it was just me on a guitar for ninety minutes, and 120 people showed up.

我本来都没指望有人来，结果真来了120个人。

And I didn't know if anyone would show up, but 120 people showed up.

天啊。

Wow.

他们全程听完了演出，几乎每个人都买了周边商品。

They stayed through the show, and almost every single person bought merch.

我跟每个人拥抱，跟他们聊天，他们还送我礼物和小玩意儿，到现在我还留着，说出来可能都觉得有点傻。

And I got to hug all these necks and get to know people and people brought me gifts and little things and trinkets that I still have that I have like it almost sounds silly.

我那儿简直像摆了个小神龛，全是粉丝们一路送我的东西。

I have almost a shrine of all the different things that fans have brought me along the way.

这些小纪念品对他们来说有特别的意义，现在对我也一样。

A little mementos that meant something to them and now means something to me.

我在那儿感受到的爱和接纳，真的太强烈了，作为外国人，这种感觉可不常有。

And I just I feel so overwhelmingly loved and accepted over there in a way that maybe as a foreigner, you don't always feel.

我觉得，这都是因为大家对乡村音乐的爱。

And I think it's the love for country music that does that.

所以，给所有在美国之外、也在美国的朋友们打个招呼。

So shout out to anyone outside The US that's listening and in The US.

一起来跟我走这场英国和欧洲巡演吧。

Come out and go on this UK and Europe tour with me.

咱们乐一乐吧。

Let's have some fun.

太棒了。

I love it.

对啊。

Yeah.

我们都很期待你接下来的演出。

We can look forward to your upcoming shows.

欧洲的听歌体验确实很特别。

Definitely something to be said for the listening experience in Europe.

凯莉，我最后再问你一个问题。

Caylee, I have one last question for you.

既然我们现在是在《纳什维尔散步》这个节目里，你有没有特别喜欢在纳什维尔散步的地方？

Since we are on Taking a Walk Nashville, do you have a favorite place that you like to take a walk in Nashville?

哦，在纳什维尔啊。

Oh, in Nashville.

我世界各地有很多喜欢的地方，但在纳什维尔，大概就是爱德温·沃纳公园了。

I have many places around the world, but in Nashville, it would probably be Edwin Warner.

我有一首歌叫《烈火锻造》，2020年发布的，但写的是2017年我经历的一场火灾。

I have a song called Forged in the Fire that came out, I guess, in 2020, but it was about a house fire in 2017 that I went through.

是的。

Yeah.

那会儿我刚在2017年签了驻厂词作者的合约。

And I had just recently signed as a staff writer in 2017.

我当时正在参加创作营，消防队长说，可能是只松鼠钻进阁楼咬坏了电线，这才引发火灾。

I was on a writer's retreat when what the fire chief said was potentially a squirrel got into the attic and chewed something and the house caught fire.

我那间小房子就在纳什维尔的爱德温和珀西·沃纳自然公园正中间。

This little tiny house that I had, it was in the middle of this nature park, Edwin and Percy Warner here in Nashville.

我不愿意花钱办健身房会员，就每天和我的狗去徒步。

And instead of paying for a gym membership, me and my dog would go hiking every day.

我说徒步，是因为那地方全是起伏的山丘，挺费腿的。

And I say hiking because it is a lot of rolling hills and stuff.

我和我那只12磅重的小狗，每天能走个四五六七英里。

But me and my little 12 pound dog, we would go four, five, six, seven miles a day.

在外面待上这么一段时间，真的特别特别珍贵。

And having that time outside is just a special, special thing.

纳什维尔西边那个小地方，你要是去过就懂了，真不是一般的美。

And that little area of Nashville, in West Nashville, if you've ever been, it's something special.

你居然能在闹市区深处，感受到完全与世隔绝的宁静。

You really can be out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of town.

所以如果你想在纳什维尔散个好步，就去埃德温和珀西·沃纳公园吧，绝对值了。

And so if you want a good walk in Nashville, head to Edwin And Percy Warner Park and have a good time.

不过记得在停车的地方打个标记。

But make sure you put a location a pin where your parking lot is.

那儿有整整54个停车场呢。

There's like 54 parking lots.

是啊。

Yeah.

我跟老公在那儿经常迷路，他可熟悉那些小路了

I would get lost out there with my husband's done those trails

好多次了

so many times.

对啊

Yeah.

我儿子们全靠他带路，不过这确实是我在纳什维尔最爱的公园了

So my boys rely on him, but that's definitely my favorite park in Nashville.

风景太美了

It's so pretty.

那儿的徒步路线特别棒

Great hiking out there.

没错

Yeah.

卡莉，今天谢谢你来参加《纳什维尔散步之旅》

Well, Caylee, thank you so much for being on Taking Walk Nashville today.

我超期待你接下来的所有项目和演出。

I am looking forward to all of your upcoming projects and shows.

谢谢你，莎拉。

Thank you, Sarah.

你也是。

You too.

见到你真好。

Good to see you.

谢谢。

Thanks

感谢收听《纳什维尔漫步》节目，主持人莎拉·哈拉尔森。

for listening to Taking a Walk Nashville with Sarah Harralson.

别忘了关注我们Buzz Night Media制作的其他节目。

Please check out our other shows produced by Buzz Night Media Productions.

比如林恩·霍夫曼主持的《喜剧救我》和《音乐救我》，还有我本人主持的《纳什维尔漫步》。

Comedy Save Me and Music Save Me, hosted by Lynn Hoffman, and Taking a Walk, hosted by yours truly, Buzz Night.