Talking Snooker Episode 268 - Paul Hunter remembered with Matthew Stevens

就像我一样，喜欢放松，看看电影，他高尔夫什么的其实打得不多。

Just chilling out like myself, just used to watch films and he didn't really play much golf or anything.

他特别爱度假。

He loved his holidays.

我们以前练斯诺克练得特别多。

We used to practice a hell of a lot of snooker.

现在回想起来，那时候我们其实不怎么练，就是每天打七八个小时，甚至九个小时，因为那几年我们还在巅峰期，可能因为那时候没那么多时间去享受生活吧。

Always say now, we didn't really practice now these sort of days, but we just used to play seven, eight hours, nine hours every single day because we were still at little peak in those years because I suppose we didn't have that much time to enjoy.

比赛的时候确实有过好时光，但你知道，离开斯诺克，我们真没太多时间去度假什么的，因为整天就是一起打球、训练。

I say yes, had some good times in tournaments, but you know, away from the snooker, we didn't really spend that much time to going on holidays or whatever because we were just playing and practicing all the time together.

这也是职业生涯结束后回头看，我们现在在做的事情。

That's another thing that you look back after all careers and now what we've been doing.

所以那时候真没时间做别的事，因为他满脑子都是斯诺克。

So we didn't really have time to do many other things because he was just snooker.

今天我看他的采访，他又提到那句话，他说得特别好：是的，我想当世界冠军，但我也喜欢喝一杯、抽根烟。

Said again in that interview I read from him today, he had a great line where he was like, Yeah, I'd like to be world champion, but I also like a drink and a cigarette.

这正好反映了他是什么样的人，喜欢一些普通的东西，同时也懂得放松。

It was just like that showed sort of his sort of what he was into, sort of just like normal things that sort of he enjoyed, but also relaxed.

但正如你描绘的那样，他同时又非常专注，没有极其专注的态度，你不可能达到你们那样的水平。

But as you paint a picture there, like, so dedicated at the same time, like, you don't get to the levels that you guys have without being incredibly dedicated.

我当时也抽烟。

I used to smoke at the time as well.

对，我们那时候抽不少烟，还喝几瓶伏特加。

Yeah, we used to go through some fags, know that, and a few bottles of vodka.

对，但就像你说的，我们当时非常专注，因为我确实进了很多决赛和半决赛，还赢了大师赛。

Yeah, but like you said, we were very dedicated at the time, yeah, because I obviously reached a lot of finals and semi finals and also winning the Masters as well.

就像你说的，对，那么年轻的时候，不全身心投入、不付出大量努力，是做不到这些的。

Like you said, yeah, you don't do that at that young age without dedicating yourself and putting a lot of work in.

对，保罗在球桌上简直是个猛兽。

Yeah, was an animal on the table, Paul.

你知道，我们得把他从球桌上拉下来。回到大师赛的胜利，就像我说的，没多少人能做到那样。

You know, we had to scrape him off Going back to the Masters' victories, like I said, not many people would do that.

你知道，赢一次就已经很了不起了，但他能三次在落后的情况下翻盘，这真的说明了他是个多么顽强的选手。

Know, doing it once would have been something special, but to do it three times from behind, you know, it just showed how much of a gritty competitor he was.

他确实是的。

He really was.

他是一位出色的选手，也是一位伟大的冠军。我们应该提一下，我们正在缅怀保罗·亨特，今天很荣幸请到了马修·史蒂文斯和我们一起。

He was a wonderful competitor, and a great champion, and we should just have a a name check and say we are remembering, Paul Hunter here in the company of Matthew Stevens, who we're delighted to be joined by.

这里是《台球闲谈》，我是菲尔·海格和尼克·梅特卡夫。

And this is Talking Snooker with Phil Haigh and Nick Metcalfe.

大家好。

Hello, everybody.

这里是《台球闲谈》，我们在缅怀保罗·亨特。

It's Talking Snooker here, and we're remembering, Paul Hunter.

马修，我相信在你们职业生涯中那些难免的艰难时刻和失望时刻，你们一定互相支持过。

Now I'm sure, Matthew, you'd have helped each other through those inevitable times in your career where you had tough moments and and disappointing moments.

显然，保罗最著名的失利之一是在世界锦标赛上输给了肯·达赫蒂，当时他领先很多。

Obviously, one of Paul's most famous defeats was to Ken, Ken Duckertie in the world championship when he was a, you know, a long way ahead.

我马上要提到一封邮件，这封邮件很好，如果他记得保罗在后台以及面对媒体时表现得多么有风度的话。

I'm I'm gonna come to an email in the moment, which is very nice if he remembers how sporting, Paul was about that both backstage and also, you know, out with the press.

但他当时非常沮丧。

But he was devastated.

我最近几天读了一些采访，那在斯诺克意义上确实是毁灭性的打击。

I've been reading interviews within the last couple of days, and that was, you know, in a snooker sense devastating.

你还特别记得那次失利吗？你有没有私下跟他说几句，帮他度过难关？

Would you particularly remember that defeat, and would you have had a few words in the ear to try and help him through that?

那真是一次沉重的失败，你知道，眼看就要进决赛了，对手是肯。

It was a crushing defeat, you know, from having one foot in the final against Can.

我自己也经历过几次，所以我们确实聊了很多，他基本上是在问我怎么挺过来的。

You know, I've been through it myself, know, a couple of times, so, you know, we did speak about it a lot, and he was, you know, basically asking how did you get through it?

是的，那确实很难接受。

Yeah, that was a tough one to take.

但就像我说的，我们聊到保罗，他很随和，那确实很难接受，但他很快就振作起来了。

But but like I said, you know, we we talk about Paul, he is laid back, and it was it was a tough one to take, but he soon bounced back.

你知道吗？

You know?

就是……

It's...

那只是又一次失利而已。

It was just another defeat.

对，这种事你得接受，没办法。

Yeah, it's one of those things you gotta you gotta take them, I'm afraid.

我觉得斯诺克是个很孤独的运动，对吧？

I mean, snooker is such a lonely business, isn't it?

我们都清楚。

We know that.

你知道吗？

You know?

当你经历那些艰难时刻，球桌对面的对手就在那儿，但没人能帮你。

And there's no one else out there to help you when you're suffering those moments and the other guys at the table.

但是，知道至少你身边有一个人，这肯定对你们俩帮助很大，那个人……

But it it must have helped you both a great deal to know that at least you had someone that...

而且，你知道，我听过约翰·希金斯、塞尔比他们说过，他们生活中有很棒的导师，但没有什么比一个既是导师又是球员的人更好了，他能完全理解你所经历的一切。

And, you know, I've heard from the likes of John Higgins, Selby, and everyone else at times, yes, they've got great mentors in their life, but there's nothing like a mentor that is also a player that understands implicitly everything you've got.

我觉得这就是为什么像特里·格里菲斯这样的人当教练做得那么好，因为球员们知道，他经历过那些，他们也都经历过。

I think that's why people like Terry Griffith did so well as coaches, because guys knew, ah, he'd been there, and they'd they'd done that.

而且……

And that...

至少有一个和你同龄的伙伴，赛后可以聊聊天，这肯定很好。

It must have been nice to at least have someone else that your age, your mate, that you could talk to afterwards.

你知道，每次赢球或输球，我们都会互相交流，我们每天都打电话，特别是如果我被淘汰了或者他还在比赛，比赛一结束我们就会立刻通电话。

You know, in every win and every loss, used to speak to each other, you know, well, we spoke every day on the phone, and especially if I was out of a tournament or he was in, your dog was phoned straight after the matches.

他是我第一个打电话的人，反过来也一样。

He'd be the first person I'd phoned, you know, and vice versa.

所以那感觉很好……

So it was nice to...

你知道，因为我们在那些高压比赛中表现出色，而且我们清楚自己在说什么。

You know, because, you know, we performed, you know, in those high pressure matches, and we knew what we were talking about.

所以，知道我们俩都经历过那些，能聊聊这些真的很好。

So it was good to have the knowledge that we've both been there and just to talk about it really.

而且我和保罗聊过之后，反过来也一样，我们就会觉得没问题。

And after I spoke to Paul and vice versa, we should be fine.

能听到他的建议真好，我们会讨论那些击球。

It was nice to have his advice on things, and we talk about the shots.

是的，有这样的友谊真好，知道有人对你了解得一清二楚，而且他们完全明白你当时正在经历什么。

Yeah, so it's nice to have that, you know, friendship and knowing someone knows you inside out, and they know exactly what you're going through at the time.

当然。

Of course.

我们来提一下丹尼尔·克拉克。

Let's just mention Daniel Clark.

这里有一封来自业内一位很有见地的人士的温馨邮件，他提到了肯的比赛以及其他一些事情。

It's a lovely email here from a really good voice in the game, and he mentions that Ken match among others.

他说，嗨，尼克和菲尔。

He says, hi, Nick and Phil.

感谢你们做这期特别的保罗·亨特致敬节目。

Thank you for doing this special Paul Hunter tribute episode.

这足以证明他是一个多么特别的球员和人物，在他去世二十年之后，这项运动中的每个人仍然深深地怀念他。

It is a testament to just what a special player and person he was that twenty years after his passing, he is still so fondly remembered by everyone in the sport.

我真正第一次看到保罗打球，是在1996年的英国锦标赛上，他对阵斯蒂芬·亨德利。

My first memory of really seeing Paul play was in the nineteen ninety six UK championship against Stephen Hendry.

当时这个18岁的年轻人对阵处于巅峰状态的亨德利，却似乎毫不在意，轻松自如地在球台周围移动，拥有你见过的最完美的出杆动作。

There was this 18 year old playing Hendry at the peak of his powers and still seemingly without a care in the world, effortlessly flowing around the table with the most perfect cue action you'd ever wish to see.

那时候，比赛全程都是17局9胜制。

Those days, matches were best of 17 throughout.

尽管他在下午场结束后以5比3领先，但亨德利最终逆转获胜。

Although he led five three after the afternoon, Henry ultimately came back to win.

但保罗无疑已经让大家记住了他，是个值得关注的选手。

But Paul had certainly marked himself out as one to watch.

另一个我一直记得的记忆……

The other memory that has always stayed me...

就是2003年世锦赛半决赛，他对阵肯·多赫蒂。

With me was the two thousand and three world championship semifinal against Ken Doperty.

当然，作为一个爱尔兰人，看到肯从十五比九落后追到十七比十六赢下来，我特别高兴。

Obviously, as an Irishman, I was delighted to see Ken come back from fifteen nine to win seventeen sixteen.

但让我印象深刻的不仅仅是比赛结果。

But it wasn't just the result that stuck with me.

而是保罗接受失败时那种非凡的风度。

Instead, it was the extraordinary grace with which Paul accepted the defeat.

首先是在赛场上，肯打进赛点球的时候，然后是在那之后，他又找到肯，在后台祝他在决赛中一切顺利。

Firstly, in the arena when Ken potted match ball, but then also afterwards when he sought out Ken again backstage to wish him all the best in the final.

在赛后的新闻发布会上，他非常坦诚地谈到了输球有多沮丧，但也提醒大家，这只是一场比赛，他希望未来能变得更强大。

At the post match press conference, he spoke eloquently about how devastated he was to lose, but also reminded us that it's only a game and that he hoped to come back stronger in the future.

不幸的是，那个未来以最残酷的方式被缩短了，但他当然是对的。

Unfortunately, that future was cut short in the most cruel way, but of course he was right.

这只是一场比赛，而这场比赛因为保罗的参与而受益匪浅。

It is only a game, a game that benefited immeasurably from having had Paul play it.

此致敬意，丹尼尔，谢谢你，丹尼尔，分享这些想法。

Regards, Daniel, and thank you, Daniel, for those thoughts.

你表达得真的非常非常好。

They really are so so well, expressed by you there.

这些年来，我和很多人聊过很多次，马修。

And I've spoken to people so many times over the years, Matthew.

他们都提到了保罗的反应。

They all they all mentioned Paul's reaction.

每个球员在关键时刻的反应都不一样，但这很能说明他的为人，因为他说那太令人心碎了。

Every player reacts differently to moments, but that says so much about him because he said it was so crushing.

他仍然在那些时刻保持风度，去祝贺肯，在媒体面前说合适的话。

He still had enough about him in those moments to congratulate Ken, to say the right things in the press.

那只是他的本性吗？

Was that just him?

确实，你知道的。

It was, you know.

抱歉。

I'm sorry.

我是查格。

I'm charger.

好的。

Okay.

那就是保罗的风格。

That's just Paul.

我们在这方面很相似。

We were very similar in that way.

我想这是因为，就像我们以前输球后经常聊的那样，他见过我在大比分领先的情况下输给马克·威廉姆斯，丢了决赛。

Think it's because like going back to what we used to talk a lot after defeats, and he'd seen me lose a final against Mark Willi from a big lead.

所以，你知道，同样的事情发生在他身上，还是在世锦赛半决赛，那真是，真是让人心碎。

So, you know, for it to happen to him in the semi final of the world championship as well was, you know, it was it was heartbreaking.

不过，是的，就是这样……

But, yeah, that's...

这完全就是保罗的风格。

I was just Paul all over.

你知道，不管输赢，现在有些球员走过酒店大堂，你一眼就能看出他们是输了还是赢了，但保罗的话，你得问他打得怎么样，因为他总是那么淡定。

You know, win or lose, you know, you you see some players now walking walking through the hotel lobby, and you can tell straight away whether they've lost or won, but with Paul, you'd have to ask him how he got on because he was that laid back.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

从球员身上能看出来，但保罗你永远看不出来。

Could tell by the player too, but you could never tell with Paul.

你知道，我们会直接去酒吧，喝上几杯，然后就说，是啊，就像你说的，说到底这只是一场斯诺克比赛，我们都想赢，但输了也不是世界末日，你明白吗？

You know, We'd be straight in the bar, have a couple of drinks and just say, Yeah, like you said, it was just a game of snooker at the end of the day, but we all want to win, but it's not the end of the world if you do lose, you know?

这真是很棒的对比，他在球桌上那么坚韧和决心，就像我们说的，能从那么大的落后中追回来，但之后又能那么坦然。

It's such a brilliant sort of opposite things to have that he had that grit and determination on the table, like we said, to come back from all those massive deficits, but then to be fine afterwards.

这有点像人们经常谈论马克·威廉姆斯那样。

It's bit like people talk about Mark Williams like that quite a lot.

同时拥有这两种特质，几乎可以说是完美的组合了。

Have both those things is like the perfect combination almost.

是的，确实如此。

Yeah, it is.

我觉得很多人是天生的，你知道吗？

Think a lot of people are just born with that, you know?

我经常想到自己，输球时能这么坦然其实不是什么好品质，但我也没打算改，因为我觉得斯诺克球员的情绪已经够多了，这游戏真的会让人崩溃。

I often think about myself, it's not a good trait to have when you just take it so well because losing, you know, but I wouldn't change it anyway because I think there's too many mixed emotions in snooker players, and, you know, it can do your head in this game.

但如果你能在赢球时不过于兴奋，输球时不过于低落，找到这个平衡点，我觉得这对职业生涯的持久性也很重要。

But if you can keep a balance of when you win, not to get too high and not to be too low when lose, I think getting that balance think is very important for, I think, maybe some longevity in the game as well, I think.

而且听到保罗的名字真的很让人高兴。

And it was really nice to hear Paul's name.

我记得去年吴宜泽赢得他的第一个冠军时，有很多人拿他的球风和保罗做比较。

So I think it was last year when Wu Yusas won his first tournament, and there was quite a lot of comparisons between his game and Paul's game.

当然，吴现在取得了非常了不起的成就。

And obviously Wu's done unbelievable things now.

你和他打过几场精彩的比赛。

You've played him in a couple of great games.

你和吴之间有一段意想不到的小小竞争。

You've had a nice little unexpected rivalry with with Wu.

你看到人们怎么拿他和保罗比较了吗？

Do you see what people say about comparing it to Paul?

而且这……

And it's...

你看到……

Do you see...

你觉得听到他的比赛被拿来和这项运动的新巨星比较，是不是挺好的？

Did you think it was nice to sort of hear his games compared to, you know, the new great star of the sport?

我确实觉得他们打球的方式非常相似。

I do see a very similar similar guy actually, though, the way they play.

他就像保罗一样在球台边轻松走动。

He just floats around the table like Paul.

而且他赢这些比赛的时候，我上周在中国看他夺冠，你知道吗，没什么庆祝，就是直接准备下一场比赛。

And when he's won these tournaments, I've seen him when he won in China last week, you know, not too many celebrations, just literally just get on with the next tournament.

我不知道他赢世界冠军的时候是不是有点懵，因为看起来好像不是那样。

I don't know whether when he won the world championship, was in shock or not because it didn't it didn't seem like it already.

他赢了世界冠军，但我觉得他可能知道自己有多厉害，觉得自己就该赢，也许吧。

He'd he'd won the world championship, but maybe I think he just knows how good he is and he expects to win, maybe.

我是说，他说他下周就回训练桌了，所以就是纯工作，对吧，搞定那件事之后？

I mean, said he's back on the practice table in the next week, so it was it was all business, wasn't it, from from getting that done?

没什么好庆祝的。

Not too much farting.

对，说实话，我和保罗在那个年纪也是一样的。

Yeah, and to be honest, me and Paul was the same at that age.

我们以前打完比赛就回来。

We used to come back for a tournament.

第二天，我们又回去打第一场18洞了，是啊，你知道吗，回头看，你都没意识到自己练了多少，因为我们非常专注，你知道，那时候才十几岁，21、22岁。

The next day, we were back playing the first of 18 again, and yeah, you know, looking back, you didn't realize much you actually practiced because we were very dedicated, you know, and there were early teens and 21, 22.

所以，确实，练习是有回报的，但那个年纪你其实很享受打球。

So yeah, it definitely pays to practice, but you actually enjoy playing at that age.

现在想想，打那么多球，是不是觉得很难？

Hard Is to think now, the idea of playing that much?

因为现在想起来，那肯定让你觉得有点害怕吧。

Because that must sort of fill you with dread probably these days.

现在要打那么多球，身体上根本不可能了，我可能会每小时都摔倒，所以不行，我现在就每天打几个小时，其实也就是隔一周打一次。

It would be physically impossible to play that much now with my I'd be falling over every hour, so no, I stick to playing a couple hours a day, well, every other week.

我想问你一件事，关于那个奖杯，大师赛以他的名字命名，这真的很棒。

I wanted to ask you one thing about obviously the trophy, the Masters got his name, and that's so great.

而且每年在那里都能听到关于他的消息，这很好。

And it's it's great that we hear about him every year there.

但中间有一段时间，这件事花了不少时间才做到，我觉得现在几乎每个圈内人回头看，都会觉得花了那么久才做到，真是有点疯狂。

But there was there was quite a period where it took to do that, and I think pretty much everyone in the game, well, now looks back and thinks that was crazy though it took so long.

你和他那么亲近，看着别人拖拖拉拉，那段时间对你来说是不是挺难熬的？

Was was that a sort of a hard period for you as so close to him watching that people drag their heels on that?

对不起，菲尔。

I'm sorry, Phil.

我们刚才听不到你说话。

We lost you there.

哦，抱歉。

Oh, sorry.

我刚才在说，大师赛的奖杯以他的名字命名，这当然很棒，但这件事拖了挺久才实现。

I was saying about, obviously, the Masters trophy getting his name, which is superb, but it took quite a while for it to come through come through to that.

我记得实际上是在2016年才做到的。

And then I think it was 2016 it it actually happened.

但你作为跟他那么亲近的人，看着别人在这件事上拖拖拉拉，是不是挺难受的？

But was that quite hard for you as as someone so close to him to watch people almost drag their heels on that to get that done?

你知道吗，我觉得这在他去世后就应该马上落实，但说实话，确实拖得太久了。

You know, I think that should have been demonstrated away, you know, after he passed away, but it did take too long in my opinion.

不过现在每年大师赛一开播，大家都会提到保罗，这就像是他的赛事。对我来说，因为各种原因，那段时间确实挺难熬的。

But now every year, you know, the Masters comes on the TV, everyone talks about Paul, it's his tournament, you know, and for me, for different reasons as well, it is a tough month when that comes along.

显然，保罗在2005年被诊断出癌症，不幸在2006年去世了。

Obviously, Paul was diagnosed with cancer in 2005 and sadly died in 2006.

我之前听你说过，这也是对保罗的极大肯定，他在生病期间真的很少抱怨。

I've heard you say before, and it's a great testament to Paul again, that he he never really moaned during the time he was ill.

你知道，他就是……

You know, he he just...

他还是保持原来的样子。

He stayed like he was.

他的性格几乎没怎么变。

He didn't really change his character much at all.

这再次说明，这很符合保罗的风格。

That, again, that seems like, you know, classic Paul

在很多方面都是如此。

in so many ways.

是的，我仍然时常想起他。

Yeah, well, I still sort thought about him.

我以前经常去参加比赛，你知道，去看他，他那光秃秃的脑袋，真是可怜，他的眼睛刺痛，几乎看不见东西。

I used to go to tournaments and, you know, to see him, you know, his bald head, bless him, and he could see and his eyes were stinging, and he could hardly see.

不。

No.

他展现出的勇气真是了不起，你知道吗，我不知道他是怎么做到的，但他从不抱怨。

The courage he had was was remarkable, you know, I don't know how he did it, but, he'd never moan.

他从不抱怨，直到最后那一刻。

He'd never moan about it until, you know, until the very end.

你知道，他就是……

You know, he's...

从来没听他抱怨过一次，这真是……

Never heard him moan once, which was just...

这就是他的为人。

It's just the way he was.

回想起来，我们当时在那些比赛中的表现真是不可思议。

And, yeah, looking back, it's just incredible how we played in those tournaments.

他带着疼痛去了中国，但他就是想要……

He traveled to China in a bit of pain, but he just want...

他就是热爱比赛。

He just loved competing.

他真是个了不起的人，太了不起了。

It's incredible incredible man.

马修，你是怎么找到力量熬过那些日子的？

How did you find the strength to get through those times, Matthew?

因为我知道那对你来说有多痛苦。

Because I know how desperately sad it was for you.

我觉得就像任何事情一样，一旦发生了，你就只能继续往前走，生活就是这样。

I suppose it's like anything, once something happens, you just have to get on with it, you know, that's the way life is.

这很残酷，但你知道，那真的很难。

It's it's cruel, but, you know, it was very hard.

直到今天依然如此。

Still is to this day.

但是，你知道，你不能就这样停下来。

But, you know, you can't just stop.

你只能继续往前走，这也是保罗希望你去做的，我就是这么做的。

You just gotta carry on, and that's what Paul would want you to do, that's what I do.

你知道，我还有家人要照顾，是的，但留下的都是美好的回忆。

You know, I got a family to look after, and yeah, but it's just all good memories.

现在我们聊得很开心，你知道，我姐姐和我妈妈，还有，你知道，我带着我的孩子们。

Now we have good chats, You know, my sister and my mom, and and, you know, I keep my kids.

弗雷迪还是个婴儿的时候，我们去牙买加参加他的……

Freddie was a baby when went to Jamaica for his for his...

保罗的婚礼。

Paul's wedding.

都是美好的回忆。

It's just fond memories.

你知道，有很多可以聊的，而且还有……

You know, there's a lot to talk about, and and there's...

这真的让我撑过来了。

That's gets me through it, really.

当然。

Of course.

你说得非常好。

That's that's very well expressed by you.

当然，我们知道大师赛奖杯的事。

Of course, we know about the Masters trophy.

当时太晚了，但幸好最后纠正过来了。

It was too late, but thankfully, that was put right in the end.

我们应该提一下，保罗·亨特基金会成立了，这些年来它做了很多非常出色的工作，给了很多人机会去打球和享受斯诺克，其中有些来自贫困背景，有些是残疾青少年。

The Paul Hunter Foundation was set up, we should say, which has done some absolutely sterling work over the years in giving a number of people, some from disadvantaged backgrounds, some disabled youngsters, you know, an opportunity to play and enjoy snooker.

我知道它做了很多工作。

I know it's done a great amount of work.

有一段时间，我们还有保罗·亨特经典赛。

For a while, we had the Paul Hunter Classic.

那个德国公开赛当时就叫这个名字。

The German Open Tournament was was called that.

所以保罗的名字一直流传下来。

So Paul's name lives on.

你谈到自己，还有你的家人，聊起那些回忆，但每个人都会聊他的斯诺克，不是吗？

You talk about yourself and, you know, your family and talking about the memories, but everyone does his snooker, don't they?

你知道，每当我待在媒体室或者别的地方，只要提到保罗的名字，大家对他都充满敬意和爱戴，真的，因为他为这项运动所做的贡献。这一定让你为你的朋友感到非常自豪。

You know, whenever I'm in a media room or around, whenever the Paul's name comes up, there's such a a feeling of respect and love for him really for what he meant for the game and what he did, and that must give you a lot of pride on behalf of your friend.

是的，确实如此。

Yeah, it definitely does.

我知道我这么说可能有点老套，但每个人都喜欢保罗，关于他我真的只能这么说。

I know it's boring for me to say, but everyone loved Paul, and that's all I can really say about him.

你知道，没多少人能让人这么说，而且他的性格，我们提到过他输球时的表现，他真的很随和。

You know, there's not many people you could say that about, you know, and just his character is, you know, we mentioned his losses and how how he took that, and he was laid back.

他就是那种大家都喜欢他本人和他性格的人，而且这……

He's just everyone loved him for who he was and the character he was, and and that's...

我真的很想念他。

I I miss him so much.

我相信你有很多故事不能讲，但在那些外出的夜晚里，有没有什么特别难忘的趣事可以分享呢？

And I'm sure there's plenty of stories you can't tell, but on any of those nights out, are there any are there any anecdotes that stick in the mind that could be aired?

我知道这听起来有点疯狂，但那个记忆太鲜明了，虽然已经过去很久了。

I know it sounds mad, but the vivid memory, it's so long ago.

你其实不太记得他具体的样子了。

You don't really remember him that much.

我知道这听起来很奇怪，但感觉就像昨天，又感觉像是一百万年前的事。

I know it sounds weird, but it seems like yesterday, but it seems like a million years ago.

感觉就像上辈子的事，你明白我的意思吗？

It seems like it was another life, if you know what I mean.

对，有很多故事，但恐怕我真的不能在这里讲给你听。

Yeah, there's loads of stories, but no, I can't really tell them on you, I'm afraid.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我当时完全说对了。

I was absolutely right.

不，我们度过了非常美好的时光，我很幸运能和保罗一起度过，走了几千英里。

No, we had fantastic times, and I'm blessed to have spent it with Paul, traveled thousands of miles.

我觉得有个好故事是他去中国和马克·威廉姆斯比赛，我记得他好像创下了至今仍保持的纪录。

I think one of the good stories is when he went to China and he played Mark Williams, and I think scored I think it's still a record to this day.

我记得他在五局里得了20分，然后我们……

I think he scored 20 points in five frames, and we and we...

我以前经常，我们经常拿这个开玩笑，我们花了三十个小时赶过去，结果就进了两个球什么的，然后……

And I used to we used to take the Micky at a pause, and we traveled thirty hours to just pot two balls or something, and...

所以那段时间我们一直拿这个开玩笑，每年我们都晋级，所以值得你跑那么远吗？

So that that was a running joke for a while, and every year we used to qualify, so is is it worth you going out there?

因为他在中国的战绩很糟糕，如果我没记错的话，但可能也是因为在中国熬夜太多，我想。

Because he had a terrible record in China, if I remember right, but it's probably because of the late nights as well in China, suppose.

我们的战绩也不怎么样。

We haven't got a good record either either.

如果你能查一下，我觉得他对马克·威廉姆斯大概得了10分左右。

If you could look that up, I think he's made my score about 10 points or something against Mark Williams.

我觉得你们俩都特别放松。

I guess you're both so laid back.

他旅行那么长时间，一起待那么久，又累又有压力，我……

The way he's traveling is so many hours together and so tiring, stressful times, and I...

你打的这项运动压力很大。

The sport you play is very stressful.

你们有没有吵过架？

Did you ever, like, fall out?

有没有过紧张的时刻，还是说你们太放松了，一直都没事？

Did you ever have any sort of tense moments, or are you so laid back it was always fine?

我记不太清了。

I can't really remember.

我当时在吵架。

I was having an argument.

可能喝几杯之后会这样，但我第二天总能处理好。

Probably did after a few drinks, but I was always sorted out the next day.

我觉得大多数好朋友之间都是这样。

I think that's the same as most most close friends.

我们可能时不时会互相厌烦，但当你和一个人待那么久，我觉得这难免会发生。

We probably got sick of each other from time to time, but when you're spending so much time with someone, I think that's bound to happen now and again.

还有一件事我想问，他对于……有多自在？

And and one thing I think last for me, how how comfortable was he with...

显然，他知道自己是个伟大的斯诺克选手，这没问题，但后来他几乎成了那种海报男孩，报纸头版、体育版都在谈论他。

Obviously, he knew he was a great snooker player, that was fine, but become this sort of almost like pinup boy, and if he's talked about the front and the back pages and the back of the base stuff.

他喜欢那样吗？

Like, did he like that?

他对此自在吗？

Was he comfortable with that?

他是不是就当个笑话看待？

Did he sort of take it as a as a laugh?

那他对于这些事是什么看法？

Like, what was his opinion on all that stuff?

哦，他简直爱死了。

Oh, he absolutely loved it.

他甚至在下雨的时候也会把敞篷车的顶棚放下来。

He'd even put his roof down when it was raining on the convertible.

他以前特别喜欢这样。

He used to love it.

金发在风中飘扬，享受别人投来的目光。

His blonde hair blowing in the wind, the attention he used to get.

他以前真的特别喜欢，没错，那就是保罗。

He used to absolutely love it, and yeah, that was Paul.

但他其实不太喜欢出门，我只能这么说。

But he didn't really like going out that much, that's all I could say.

他喜欢独处。

He liked his own company.

他的朋友不多。要是他现在还在的话，他绝对不会上Facebook或者类似的社交平台。

He did not have that many friends, And if he was about these days, there's no way on earth he'd be on Facebook or anything like that.

他不会发任何东西，因为保罗是个注重隐私的人。

He wouldn't post anything because he a private person, Paul.

他在打斯诺克的时候，他特别喜欢，而且他会用那种方式炫耀，如果你不……

When he was on the snooker table, he used to love it, and he he used to show off in that way if you don't...

他喜欢那样。

He loved that.

他喜欢娱乐大家。

He loved entertaining people.

他是个非常特别的人。

He was a special, special man.

菲尔，我们要不要去看看理查德·佩林的邮件？

Should we go do Richard Perrin's email, Phil?

我不知道你想不想处理那封，因为我已经处理了另一封。

I don't if you wanna do that one as I took the other one.

没问题。

Can do.

我是理查德·佩林。

Richard Perrin here.

提前写信，关于你们的保罗·亨特特别节目，这个想法很好，尽管其中带着明显的伤感。

Writing in advance of your Paul Hunter special, which is a lovely idea despite the obvious sadness that comes with it.

这让我想起了我对保罗·亨特的回忆，可惜这些回忆相当有限，但仍然令人印象深刻。

Had me thinking of my Paul Hunter memories, which sadly are reasonably limited, but they still resonate.

我九十年代开始看斯诺克，那时正是亨德利统治的经典时代。

I first started watching snooker in the nineties with the classic Hendry era of dominance.

那时候，谁是世界冠军感觉像是国家大事一样。

At the time, it felt like a matter of national importance who the world champion was at at that time.

和足球以及其他运动一样重要。

Up there were the football and other sports.

后来我记得当亨德利的光环开始褪去时，出现了一批新的竞争者，也就是我们现在所说的92届。

I then remember when Henry's star started to wane, there was a new breed of contenders who we now know as the class of '92.

不过，保罗·亨特就在他们中间，虽然稍微晚了一点。

However, Paul Hunter was right there amongst them, albeit marginally later.

我记得当时觉得他和罗尼真的很有明星气质，感觉斯诺克的未来一片光明。

I remember thinking he and Ronnie had real star quality about them, and it felt like the future of snooker was bright.

不仅球技出色，而且这项运动有潜力继续发展，成为全国关注的焦点。

Bright not only with quality, but with the potential for the sport to keep growing and being a matter of national interest.

保罗给人的感觉就是，他准备好和罗尼正面交锋，不仅在球技上，而且在吸引头条新闻的能力上，那种明星气质。

Paul very much felt like he was there to stand toe to toe with Ronnie, not only in terms of playing, but also the ability to grab headlines, a certain star quality.

作为当时罗尼的粉丝，我记得那时把保罗看作是他最大的威胁，是斯诺克最耀眼的天才。

As a Ronnie fan back then, I remember seeing Paul as the main threat to him at that stage as Snooker's brightest talent.

显然，如今斯诺克在公众关注度上远不如当年，有些人常常把问题归咎于缺乏个性鲜明的选手。

Obviously, Snooker is nowhere near that level these days in terms of public interest, and some often cite lack of characters being the issue.

虽然我不完全同意这种看法，但我现在确实在想，保罗的英年早逝是否在某种程度上导致了这项运动在全国范围内关注度的下降。

Whilst I'm not sure I agree with that, I do wonder now whether the sad passing of Paul in some ways contributed to this lack of national interest in the sport.

他身上就是有一种特别的东西，很难说清楚……

He just had something special about him that is hard to pin...

确实很难说清楚。

Pinpoint exactly it is.

真遗憾我们没能看到他真正的潜力。

It's just so sad we never got to see his truest potential.

尽管如此，我们很幸运能拥有他，他在斯诺克运动中留下了自己的印记，并将永远成为这项精彩运动故事的一部分。

That being said, we are lucky to have had him, and he has left his mark on the sport and will forever be part of the story of this wonderful game.

谢谢，理查德。

Thanks, Richard.

我觉得他说得有道理。

I think he's got a point there.

我是说，如果他能再打二十多年，他会有多出名呢？

I mean, how big a star could he have been, you know, with another twenty plus years in the game?

他肯定会成为这项运动的超级明星，甚至可能成为英国体育界的巨星。

Like, he would have been a superstar of of the game and sort of maybe wider British sport.

谁知道呢？

Who knows?

顺便说一句，比尔，我可是个很棒的领袖。

By the way, I was a lovely leader, Bill.

确实是的。

Really was.

谁知道呢？

Who knows?

因为他去世的时候还没有社交媒体，这世界变化真大。

Because when he passed, there was no social media, how the world's changed.

但对我来说，他拥有一切，你知道的，外貌、魅力……

But for me, he had everything, you know, the looks, the cosmetic...

哦，抱歉。

Oh, sorry.

我说不出话了。

I can't speak.

对不起。

Sorry.

他真的太特别了，我觉得如果他现在还在的话，他肯定会成为超级巨星。

He he was just so special, and I think if he was about now, yeah, he would have been a major superstar.

菲尔，我不知道你还想不想问别的。

I don't know if you wanna ask anything else, Phil.

我觉得我已经没什么要问的了。

I I think I'm I'm all out.

我想最后再问一个一般性的问题，马修。

It's just one general one, I suppose, to finish off with Matthew.

你知道，当你想到……

You know, when when you think about...

我知道你已经谈了很多关于你们友谊的不同方面，但现在当你想到保罗和你们在一起的时光，你脑海中浮现的总体感觉是什么？

I know you've spoken about lots of different aspects of your friendship, but when you think now about, you know, Paul and your time together, what would be the the general thing that would come to mind?

我想就是那种幸福的感觉，你们一起度过了那么多美好的时光。

Just the feeling of of happiness, I guess, that you had such good times together.

其实是各种情绪交织在一起。

A mixture mixture of emotions, really.

你知道吗，我最后认识保罗十四年了。

You know, we spent I knew Paul for fourteen years in the end.

虽然时间不长，但感觉就像我们在一起度过了一辈子。

It's not a long time, but it was as if we spent a lifetime together.

对我来说，最难的部分，就像我之前说的，是知道他会取得什么成就，我们经常说，哦，他现在会是什么样子？

The hard part for me, like I said earlier, is to know what he would have achieved, and we often say, Oh, what would he look like now?

我们永远不会知道，但我记得的就是一个了不起的年轻人，而且不仅如此。

And we'll never know, but that's all I remember is a fantastic young man, but even more.

他还是一个非常非常善良的人。

Was a very, very kind person.

他拥有一切，也有一切值得期待的未来，但不幸的是，他的生命被缩短了。

He had everything and everything to look forward to, and sadly, he was cut short.

但你可以回顾关于他的美好回忆，你知道，就像我们说的，那些大师赛的胜利。

But you can look back at fond memories of him, you know, with what we said, the Masters victories.

是的，只是回顾那么多美好的回忆，但最让我心痛的是那些本可能发生的事情。

Yeah, it was just looking back at so many good memories, but what would have been is what hurts me the most.

当然，听到你这么说我们总是很难过。

Well, of course, always sorry to hear you say that.

我们知道你的心与他同在，也向保罗的父母艾伦和克里斯蒂娜、他的女儿伊维·罗斯、他的家人、所有爱他的朋友，以及非常想念他的斯诺克界表达我们的思念。

We know your heart goes out to you and should say thoughts with Paul's parents, Alan and Christina, daughter, Evie Rose, his family, all his friends that loved him, and of course, the snooker community that miss him so much.

还有马修，对你，因为我知道你是保罗的好朋友。

And Matthew, to you, because I know you are such a great mate of Paul.

听着，我们很荣幸能……

And listen, we are honored to...

你能来和我们聊聊。

For you to come on and talk to us.

我们真的很荣幸。

We really are.

这对我们来说意义重大。

It's it's something that means a lot to us.

我知道这对听众来说也意义重大，非常感谢你能来。

I know it'll mean a lot to people listening, and thank you so much for doing so.

没问题，奥马尔。

Not a problem, Omar.

能来聊聊我的好哥们，我很高兴，希望观众们会喜欢，也能了解我和保罗一起度过的时光。

It's a pleasure to to come on and talk about my good mate, and hopefully you viewers will enjoy that and just getting to know the times me and Paul shared together.

是的，非常感谢你邀请我。

Yeah, thank you very much for having me on.

就像尼克说的，非常荣幸，非常感谢。

Like Nick said, great honor, and thank you very much.

非常感激。

Much appreciated.

因为，你知道，二十年一晃就过去了。

Because, you know, twenty years flies by.

有很多新加入的斯诺克球迷可能从未见过保罗。

There's a lot of snooker fans who are new to the game that may never have seen of Paul.

我是说，他们都听说过他，因为他确实被谈论得很多，但能更了解他是件好事，而你正是告诉我们这一切的最佳人选。

Mean, they'll all have heard of him because, you know, he rightly has spoken about a lot, but great to know more about him, and yeah, you're a perfect man to tell us all about that.

好的，谢谢，菲尔。

Well, cheers, Phil.

我很感激。

I appreciate that.

很高兴和你聊他，也谢谢你的邀请。

It was a pleasure to talk to you about him, and thanks for having me.

好的，非常感谢你，马修。

Well, thank you so much to to to you, Matthew.

这就是马修·史蒂文斯本人，当然是这项运动的伟大明星之一。

That's Matthew Stevens there himself, one of the the game's great stars, of course.

我们谈论的是已故的保罗·亨特，他在二十年前离开了我们。

Talking about the late Paul Hunter who we lost twenty years ago.

菲尔，我们很快会回来，对吧，展望贝尔法斯特的比赛？

Phil, we're going to be back, aren't we, very soon to look ahead to Belfast?

但这一集完全是关于保罗的，他将会……

But this episode was all about Paul who will...

我们会在媒体和比赛中，年复一年，甚至几十年里，一直谈论他。

We'll talk about, won't we, in us in the media and us in the game for years and years and indeed decades to come.

没错。

Absolutely.

而且理应如此。

And quite rightly so.

我们期待继续这样做。

We look forward to doing it.

所以，感谢大家的收听。

So, yeah, thanks for everyone for listening.

再次感谢马修，我们很快再聊。

Thanks again to Matthew, but we'll speak to you very soon.

感谢马修·史蒂文斯，当然，我们总是要说，保罗·亨特，愿你安息。

With thanks to Matthew Stevens, and of course, we have always say, Paul Hunter, may you rest in peace.

来自菲尔·海格和尼克·梅特卡夫，再见。

From Phil Haigh and Nick Metcalfe, goodbye to you.