第二宫与第三宫出生图解读

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

Alright.

所以我会让你保留为小组成员，我们会静音你的麦克风等，这样你就可以继续留在会议中。

So I'll leave you as a panelist, and we'll just mute your mic and stuff so you can stay in the meeting.

这是个很棒的首个例子，帮助我们开了个好头。

That was a great first example to get us started.

那么，好吧，我将进入问答环节，我已经请不同的人通过点击Zoom这里的问答按钮并提交一段简短的段落来分享他们的故事。

So, alright, I'm gonna go into the q and a, and I've asked different people to submit their stories through clicking the q and a button here in Zoom and then submitting a brief paragraph.

然后大家可以通过投票来帮助我优先确定接下来应该讨论哪些故事。

And then people can go through and vote on those in order to help me prioritize which ones I should cover next.

所以，玛丽亚，我知道你原本打算分享，但你说你遇到了一些噪音问题。

So Maria, I know you were up for sharing, but you said you're having some noise issues.

你是说现在好了吗？

Are you Is that good now?

你愿意分享一下吗？

Do you feel like sharing?

是的？

Yeah?

好的。

Okay.

那我把你转为面板嘉宾。

I will move you to a panelist then.

好的。

Alright.

这很有趣。

This is fun.

今天我们这里有一群很棒的人。

We've got a good group here today.

感谢大家参加我这场轻松的占星解读直播研讨会。

Thanks everyone for joining me for this live webinar to do a more casual chart reading session.

过去几个月里，我真的很享受做这些活动。

I've really been enjoying this the past few months doing these.

你好。

Hi.

好了。

There we go.

你好。

Hi.

嘿。

Hey.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢你的参与。

Thanks for joining me.

不错。

Good.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Alright.

那么你的出生数据是什么？

So what is your birth data?

所以是1994年1月14日凌晨3点55分，位于危地马拉首都危地马拉城。

So it's 01/14/1994 at 03:55AM in Guatemala City, Guatemala.

好的。

Alright.

所以太阳在射手座十六度，我们为音频听众分析你的星盘，你有五个行星集中在第二宫的摩羯座，包括火星、海王星、天王星、金星和太阳。

So sixteen Sagittarius, and we're looking at a chart for the audio listeners where you have a large stellium of several planets, five planets in the second house in Capricorn, including Mars, Neptune, Uranus, Venus, and the Sun.

因此，你的生命中第二宫的行星配置非常集中，有如此多的行星聚集在这个宫位。

So you've got like a major focus on second house placements in your life just with such a large cluster of different planets in that house.

那么，你今天想举个什么例子，或者想和我们分享什么经历呢？

So what's your example or how's that worked out for you or what did you wanna highlight for us today?

总的来说，在我的生活中，我觉得这种体现就是我是个艺术家，一直天生擅长创作东西。

Well, in general, in my life, I the way I see that represented is I'm an artist, and I've always just had a knack for, like, making things.

我有一个储物间，里面堆了大约五十幅画，都还没卖出去。

And and I have a storage unit full of, like, 50 paintings and, like that I haven't sold yet.

我不知道这些会不会最终成为一项投资，但你知道，海王星与我的火星相合，我依然抱有信念。

And I don't know if it's an investment that'll ever pan out, but, you know, that Neptune conjunct my Mars, I have faith.

在过去七年里，冥王星一直紧密地与之相合。

And, these last seven years, Pluto has been, you know, closely conjunct.

先是与我的摩羯座火星相合，现在又与我的太阳相合，现在还与我的水星相合。

First, my Mars in Capricorn, and now it's still conjunct my sun and now conjunct my Mercury.

我经历了极其强烈的权力博弈和死亡事件。

And I had just extreme experiences of power dynamics and death too.

2017年底，我的一位朋友自杀了。

At the end of 2017, a friend of mine committed suicide.

这让我人生中第一次真正能够面对一个事实：我一直对那些看不见的事物、对彼岸、对死后生命抱有某种感受。

And it really for the first time in my life, I I felt able to confront the fact that I've always felt that relationship with what I don't see and with, like, the beyond or, you know, thinking about the life after death.

你知道，在我朋友刚去世后的五个月里，我经历了非常强烈的感觉，能感受到她、和她对话。

You know, I had very, like, strong experiences with with my friend who had just died and, like, feeling her and talking to her in the five months after she had died.

而去年，我结婚了。

And then that last year, I got married.

你提到这一点其实很有趣，因为就在刚才，我和艾米莉亚正好也在讨论这个话题，同时我还在回顾希腊化传统中第二宫的一些最初含义。

Actually interesting that you mentioned that only because of that discussion I was just having with Amelia, but also I was reviewing some of the earliest significations in the Hellenistic tradition for the second house.

在所有宫位中，它们常常被视为成对出现，彼此对立的宫位之间存在重叠的象征意义。

And they were oftentimes with all of the houses treating it as if it was a pair and that there was overlapping significations between opposing houses.

我惊讶地发现，在里克托里乌斯和瓦伦斯的著作中，尤其是将第二宫称为‘冥界之门’时，它有时竟与死亡产生关联。

And I was surprised that in like Rictorious and Valens, especially in calling it the gate of Hades, the gate to the underworld, that there was some sometimes connections with death and connection with the second house.

所以你提到这一点，真的很有趣。

So it's interesting that you you mentioned that.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，在这段时间里，我实际上有两位朋友自杀了。

I mean, in this period, I have I've had two friends commit suicide actually.

所以这件事发生在2017年。

So that that happened in 2017.

然后在2019年，我又有一位朋友自杀了。

And then in 2019, again, I had another friend commit suicide.

而且，我又经历了一次非常强烈的、类似灵异的体验——就在第一位自杀的朋友去世的当晚，我梦见了她，而就在那天，我的另一位朋友也自杀了。

And, again, I had a very powerful, like, psychic kind of experience, like, where I had a dream with my friend who committed suicide first the night that she committed suicide, that my other friend committed suicide.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

这很复杂，因为与此同时，冥王星正在行进，还有天王星，你的十一宫全宫制是天秤座，其守护星金星位于摩羯座23度。

And And it's tricky because it's like that Pluto transit at the same time, Pluto and Uranus, you're you have Libra on the eleventh whole sign house and the ruler is Venus, which is there at 23 degrees of Capricorn.

所以你这段时间正好有这些行运经过你十一宫的守护星，而它又位于第二宫。

So you've just been getting some of those transits over the the ruler of your eleventh house there in the second at the same time.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

同时，我刚在印度找了一份工作。

And at the same time, I had just taken a job in India.

我为了到那里环游了世界各地，那是一个极端的权力关系——我的雇主控制着我的饮食、交通、住宿，一切的一切，因为我工作的是一所位于印度山区、非常偏远的寄宿制学校。

I traveled all over the the world to get there, and it was, like, an extreme power dynamic where my my employer controlled my food, my transportation, my housing, everything because I was working in a residential, like, boarding school that was very isolated in a mountain in India.

而且那是在

And it was In

2017年吗？

in 2017?

我2018年去的，2020年离开的。

And I took it in 2018, and I left 2020.

明白。

Okay.

所以这发生在冥王星和摩羯座交汇，尤其是土星经过你第二宫的时候？

So this was during Pluto and Capricorn basic Saturn and Capricorn, especially while Saturn is transiting through your second house?

是的。

Yeah.

主要是土星和冥王星。

Well, Saturn and Pluto.

土星和冥王星。

Saturn and Pluto.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Right.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你去另一个国家工作，但雇主对一切都有绝对的控制，生活非常孤立且单调。

So you take a job in this in another country and but it's the the employer has extremely control over everything, and it's very, like, isolated and kind of sparse.

是的。

Yeah.

而且当同事之间，尤其是你和上级之间发生冲突时，可能会产生影响我们生活的后果。

And and the kind of situation where when there was conflict in between, you know, colleagues and and, you know, especially, you know, the my superiors and and the rest of us teachers, it could have repercussions that affected the way that we lived.

嗯。

Mhmm.

好的。

Okay.

不是因为我们住在一起，所以住房也会受影响。

Not like our housing because we're all living together.

有趣的是，你的儿子正好在24度摩羯座，所以这也被波及了。

It's interesting also just because your son is there at 24 Capricorn, and so that's getting hit as well.

而且太阳本身正是第九宫——关于异国和旅行的主宰星。

And it's like the sun itself is the ruler of the ninth house of of foreign places and travel.

所以这就像是在处理第二宫的事情，尤其是当你经历重大或强烈的第二宫行运时。

So it's like getting things wrapped up in the second house, especially when you have major or intense second house transits.

是的。

Yeah.

之后，疫情就爆发了。

And after that, the the pandemic hit.

我整整九个月没有工作。

I spent, like, nine months without working.

所以我申请了绿卡，花了九个月时间专注于艺术创作，最终进入了全球最难申请的绘画项目，并前往了那里。

So I was applying for a green card, worked on my art for nine months, got into the the program that's the hardest to get to in painting in the world and went.

那真的非常艰难。

It was incredibly difficult.

我对艺术的愿景非常理想化，但与我在商业艺术世界中所看到的现实形成了鲜明对比。

I felt like I was very idealistic about my vision of art versus what I found in the co commercial art world.

我感到非常疏离，这简直是一场心灵的清算。

Felt very alienated, and it was just like a heart reckoning.

然后我离婚了，因为那时我还是学生，没有工作。

And then I got divorced because I was a student and I wasn't working.

我没有收入，所以那段时间经济上非常艰难。

And I, you know, I was without an income, and so it was a very difficult moment financially.

有一段时间，我身无分文，却还要照看大量画作。

Like, at one point, I had zero money and, you know, a lot of paintings to take care of.

你是什么时候离婚的？

And When did you get divorced?

法律上是在七月办的，但我们突然就分开了，这让我想到火星和金星的相位，以及2022年11月火星在双子座的逆行。

It was well, it was legal in July, but we broke things up super suddenly too, like, thinking about Mars and Venus together and the Mars retrograde in Gemini in November 2022.

好的。

Okay.

那个火星逆行是在你的第七宫吗？

Was that Mars retrograde in your in your seventh house?

是的。

Yeah.

明白了。

Got it.

就像你所说的，我曾经说过的一句话，我相信正是那句话最终导致了我的离婚。

And like you said, like, something that I said, I I believe that it was one sentence I said that really eventually led to my divorce.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以

So

我们回溯一下，疫情对你来说真的很艰难，尤其是经济上，而土星当时持续经过你的第二宫。

backing up, so the pandemic was really tough, especially financially for you, and that's especially Saturn kept going through your second house.

然后你进入了第三宫，你的土星回归几乎就发生在那个时候，之后土星又进入了第三宫。

And then you go into your third house, your Saturn return basically like right around that time and after that with Saturn in the third house.

听起来这些都集中在你的绘画上，你想把它发展成一份事业。

And it sounds like a lot of this is focused on your painting and wanting to make, like, like, a career out of that.

是的。

Yeah.

而且没有完全意识到其中的商业层面。

And and not fully, like, recognizing, like, the business side of it.

对吧？

Right?

当我想到海王星，它落在我的中天时。

When I think about, like, Neptune, like, finding my my midheaven

嗯。

Mhmm.

这正是我感受到的方式。

That's how it kinda it, like, strikes me.

而且对。

And Yeah.

有时候，海王星位于第二宫的人在财务方面会非常理想化，或者在财务上不够务实，这在你的星盘中是个有趣的矛盾，因为其他部分都落在由土星守护的摩羯座。

Sometimes people with Neptune in the second can be very idealistic around finances or can be sometimes not very, like, grounded around finances, which is an interesting contradiction there in your chart since it's otherwise in Capricorn ruled by Saturn.

所以，在这个话题上，你存在着务实与不务实之间的张力。

So you have these, like, tensions between groundedness and and not groundedness when it comes to that topic.

是的。

Yeah.

因此，接受不能立即以艺术家身份谋生这一点非常困难。

And so reckoning with, like, not immediately making a career as an artist was very difficult.

然后我以为我会去中国。

And then I thought I was going to China.

我得到了一份在中国的工作。

I got a job in China.

我的签证没办成。

My visa didn't work out.

我不得不和母亲一起住了三个月，然后我得到了现在这份工作，收入大约是我如果现在真能成功成为一名商业画家时的两倍。

I had to spend, like, three months living with my mother, and then I got the job that I have now where, like, I'm, like, roughly making it around, like, twice as much as I think I would have been if I was, like, actually being successful as a commercial painter right now.

嗯嗯。

Mhmm.

土星终于离开了你的第二宫，而且你的土星回归也结束了，因为每次土星回归都会激活土星所在的星座以及它所守护的星座。

Saturn's finally out of your not just your second house, but also your Saturn return, which was extending that since anytime you have a Saturn return, it's it's gonna activate both the signs Saturn is in as well as the sign that it rules.

所以，你从2017年到2020年经历的第二宫影响，是否因为土星在2020年至2023年进入水瓶座而被延长了？

So it was really dragging out that that second house transit that you experienced from roughly 2017 through 2020 into a longer one of Saturn through Aquarius from 2020 to 2023 as well?

是的。

Yeah.

你是什么时候得到你现在这份工作的？

When did you get that job that you're working at currently?

2023年12月。

December 2023.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

那太完美了。

So that's perfect.

所以就在土星最终离开水瓶座、你完成土星回归、土星进入双鱼座之后不久。

So it was just months after Saturn finally departed from Aquarius and you completed your Saturn return and Saturn went into Pisces.

现在它正在经过你的第四宫。

So now it's transiting through your your fourth house.

你曾经说过你和你妈妈住在一起？

You said at one point you're living with your mother?

是的。

Yeah.

我曾经和我妈妈住在一起。

I was living with my mother.

那是什么时候开始和结束的？

When did that what were the time when did that start and end?

十月，去年十二月中旬结束。

October, and it ended in mid December last year.

好的。

Okay.

因此，土星位于你的第四宫期间，正好是你不得不搬去和母亲同住的时候，而土星当时正经过双鱼座并穿越你的第四宫。

So Saturn in your fourth house coincided with a period of having to move in with your mother while Saturn was transiting through Pisces through your fourth House.

这非常有趣且精彩。

That's really interesting and brilliant.

然后今年你就能搬出去独自生活了？

And then you were able to move out on your own after that this year?

是的。

Yeah.

很好。

Nice.

好的。

Okay.

嗯，这说得通，真的很有趣。

Well, that makes sense and that's really interesting.

所以，你的故事似乎部分涉及经济独立的建立，但同时也存在一种张力：一方面你想创作、做自己热爱的事，表达你的艺术敏感性；另一方面，又面临靠此谋生的困难——你知道，其他一些著名艺术家，比如梵高，也经历过类似的挣扎。

So it seems like part of your story is one of developing financial independence, but also the tension between wanting to create and do what you love and communicate your artistic sensibilities, but also the tension in terms of the struggle to make money from that, you know, which is a struggle some other people, famous artists, have had as well, like like Van Gogh, for example.

说到生与死这个话题，我总是说，艺术创作的宗旨是

And, you know, on the topic of life and death, really what it, you know, I always say it's, the motto of of making art for

我

me

是我家族在八十年代危地马拉战争期间所经历的迫害和创伤历史。

is my family's history with, like, persecution and and, yeah, persecution and trauma around the war in Guatemala in the eighties.

我的家人几乎被迫害了整整十年。

Like, my my family was persecuted for nearly a decade.

而作为在我第一个兄弟姐妹出生二十年后才出生的人，我有很多年长的兄弟姐妹，他们帮我照顾成长，但他们却因这段迫害经历而深受创伤，而我本人并没有亲身经历这些。

And just the questions that that left me as someone who was born twenty years after my first sibling, because I have older siblings that really helped kind of taking care of me, but who are, like, very traumatized by this experience of persecution that I did not go through.

我的艺术作品，实际上在某种程度上都与这场战争和种族灭绝的历史相关。我花了很长时间才真正接受这一点，并能够以一种不让我感到被受害者化或过于脆弱的方式展示我的作品。

And my artwork, really, it's all in some way related to this history of war and genocide, and, it took me a long time to really accept that and be able to to to present my artwork in that context and also in a way that didn't make me feel, like, either victimized or or too vulnerable.

所以对我来说，过去七年，我觉得我也一直在做这件事。

And so for me, the past seven years, I feel like I have been about that too.

我目前的工作，之所以有时候我难以相信自己真的在做这个，是因为我给高中生讲大学学分课程。

And the current job that I have, like, the reason why for me it's sometimes so hard to believe that it's that I'm doing this is because, I teach, university credits in high school.

比如，我现在教一门关于种族灭绝、拼贴艺术和艺术中碎片化与创伤历史的课程。

And so I for example, now I'm teaching a class on genocide, and collage and art making and just a history of fragmentation and trauma, in art.

我真的很觉得，我能够同时表达我的艺术感知力和个人历史。

And I feel I really feel like I'm able to to express both my my artistic sensibility and my kind of personal history.

是的。

And yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

我觉得你夜盘中土星落在第三宫的配置，某种程度上正在体现出来，我目前正在制作第三宫的专题，正在开始研究它，深入探讨这种配置如何影响你的沟通方式，你的部分艺术作品可能正是通过这个第三宫的配置表达出来的？

I I feel like some of that's coming through your Saturn in the third house placement in a night chart and I'm working on the third house episode right now and starting to research it and delving into the way that that can I think some of your communication style, part of your artwork may be coming through that third house placement?

你提到你的兄弟姐妹，这也很有意思。

That's interesting also that you mentioned your siblings.

所以你的兄弟姐妹年纪更大，他们经历过那场战争，感受更加直接和深刻。

So your siblings are older and they are old enough that they experienced some of that that war more more directly and more intimately.

是的。

Yeah.

他们还帮我一起长大，因为我的妈妈是单亲妈妈。

And they also helped raise me because my mom was a single mom.

所以我就像是有三个父母，既是单亲家庭，同时又有三个父母。

So it's it's like I had three parents, like a single parent and at the same time three parents.

明白了。

Okay.

所以他们是帮你一起长大的。

So they helped raise you.

你有几个兄弟姐妹？

How many siblings do you have?

我有四个兄弟姐妹。

I have four siblings.

原本有五个，但其中一个在我出生前就去世了。

Originally five, but one one of them died before I was born.

好的。

Okay.

所以你们家有过一些失去亲人的经历，比如有一位年长的兄弟姐妹离世了，这可能给你的家庭留下了某种影响？

So there's some history of, like, loss there in terms of there was a older sibling who was lost, and so that probably left part part of a mark on your family?

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

这真的很有趣。

That's really interesting.

谢谢你分享这些。

Thank you for sharing that.

这里面有太多有趣的东西了，而且也很有意思，因为你现在刚刚经历完土星返相。

There's like so much there that's interesting and it's also interesting because you're just barely post Saturn return right now.

所以你的故事还有很多尚未展开的部分，未来三十年将基于过去三到六年你经历土星经过第二宫和第三宫时所奠定的基础和播下的种子继续发展。

So so much of your story still has yet to develop and will develop over the course of the next thirty years based on the foundation and the seeds that you just laid over the course of the past three to six years basically as you were having those Saturn transits through your second house and then your third house.

长期来看，看到这些如何成长和演变，以及你如何继续通过艺术作品表达自己，最终让艺术支持你，或在未来重新回到这个话题，将会非常有趣。

It'll be really interesting to see in the long term how that grows and develops and how you're able to continue to express yourself through your artwork and find ways eventually also to have that support you perhaps or to return to that topic in the future.

你认为还有其他关于你第二宫的重要事情值得提及吗？

Are there any other things you think that are relevant about your second house that kind of stand out to you?

或者在这个例子中，金钱或财务与兄弟姐妹之间有没有什么联系？

Or like like in this instance, was there any connection between money and or finances and and siblings, for example?

是的。

Yeah.

当我说我的兄弟姐妹帮我一起长大时，我的哥哥经常为我付钱，比如旅行或娱乐方面的开销。

I mean, when I say my my siblings helped raise me, I mean, my older brother, you know, frequently, like, paid things for me, you know, either related to my vacation or to my recreation in some way.

我的两个哥哥一直都非常慷慨。

Like, my two older siblings have always been super generous.

而且你知道，我住在国外，这可是件大事。

And because, you know, I I I'm living abroad, and it's kind of a big deal.

他们只是想支持我这一点。

They just kind of been wanting to support that for me.

明白了。

Got it.

太棒了。

That's awesome.

我很喜欢这种联系：第二宫的守护星位于第三宫的兄弟姐妹宫，而土星又落在自己的星座，即使这是夜盘（存在一些挑战），也带来了积极的结果。

I love that with that connection just with the ruler of the second house being in the third house of siblings and having Saturn being in its own sign and having some positive things come as a result of that placement even though it's also an area where there's some challenge as well since it's a night chart.

金星位于第二宫且处于合日状态，从长远来看非常幸运；而火星作为第五宫创造力的守护星，位于第二宫并与海王星合相，这也正是部分创造力重叠的来源。

And having Venus there, having Venus Kazimi, it's just about Kazimi with the Sun in the second house is pretty fortunate in the long term and then having Mars as the ruler the Mars is the ruler of the fifth house of creativity in the second house conjunct Neptune is also where some of that overlapping creativity is coming from.

是的。

Yeah.

太精彩了。

That's brilliant.

那里有太多内容了，但我觉得这是个非常好的例子。

There's like so much there, but I think that's a really great great example.

非常感谢你分享这个。

Thank you so much for sharing it.

哦，非常感谢你让我参与进来。

Oh, thank you so much for letting me be here.

是的。

Yeah.

所以直播聊天里有些人，Izzy问：有没有Instagram或者网站可以关注你的艺术作品？你有发布什么吗？

So some people in the live chat, Izzy says, is there, like, an Instagram or a website to see to follow your artwork, or do you have anything up for that?

对。

Yeah.

我会把我的Instagram发到聊天里。

My I'm gonna put my Instagram in the chat.

我的用户名是Aguilar_Underscore_Maria's。

I'm at Aguilar Underscore Maria's.

我的网站上还有一些文字内容。

Then I have some writing in my website.

我有一个小小的写作博客。

I have a bit of a writing blog.

很棒。

Cool.

好的。

Alright.

把它放到聊天框里。

Put it in the chat.

让我看看能不能快速把它放上去，这样录音里就有了。

And let me see if I can put it up really quickly just so I have it in the recording.

是这个吗？

Is this it?

是的。

Yeah.

就是这样。

That's it.

酷。

Cool.

好的。

Alright.

嗯，人们可以去看看你的视频版内容。

Well, people can check out your watching the video version.

他们可以观看并看到你的一些艺术作品。

They can see it and see some of your artwork.

哇。

Wow.

这真是太棒了。

That's really amazing.

谢谢。

Thank you.

而且，你知道，把死亡这样的话题引入美学中，一直是我教育中的核心主题。

And and, you know, the the this idea of bringing up like death in pretty has been, like, like, a central topic in my education.

你知道，这意味着人们会批评一些既如此深刻、又如此禁忌的东西。

Just, you know, what it means to, like, have people criticize something that it's, one, like, so deep, but also so taboo.

在艺术学院里，他们称之为沉默之室。

It's like the you know, in art school, they call it the room of silence.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

关于生命以及生命缺席这个话题，还有围绕它的禁忌，这确实很有趣。

And the just the topic of of life and, like, the absence of life, but the taboo surrounding that, that's an interesting thing.

土星位于第三宫有时可能意味着沟通不畅或难以表达某些事情。

Saturn in the third house sometimes could be about not communicating or having a difficulty communicating things.

但就你所提到的这种情况，你谈论的是那些人们觉得难以表达、通常避而不谈的话题，却更公开地去谈论它们？

But in that instance of what you're talking about, you're talking about things that are almost focusing on things that people find difficult to communicate about or that people usually don't talk about, but but talking about them more openly?

是的。

Yeah.

我看待沟通的另一个方面就是语言。

And the other way I see the the the communication bit is just the language.

英语不是我的母语。

Like, English is not my first language.

我以前有口吃，花了很长时间才学会用英语流利地说话而不口吃。

And so and I used to stutter, it just take me a long time to be able to speak in English and not stutter.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

不错。

Nice.

是的。

Yeah.

这很有道理。

That makes a lot of sense.

土星在第三宫是很常见的情况。

That's a really common thing for Saturn in the third house.

当我做第三宫的那期节目时，可能得再采访你一次，因为你对第三宫的理解非常出色，完全契合这些内容。

I might have to interview you again when I do my third house episode because I'd be You have a great third house stuff going on that makes a lot of sense in terms of all of that.

但这也是一段很好的故事，因为你现在显然已经非常流利且善于表达，而土星总是会随着时间、努力和付出而变得更好。

But it's also a good story just in terms of you're obviously very fluent and a good speaker now, So Saturn's always something that gets better with time and with work and effort and things like that.

所以这很鼓舞人心，尤其是对那些还在为类似问题挣扎的年轻人们，说明他们是有机会去改善和克服这些困难的。

So it's nice encouragement, think, also, especially for younger people that might still be struggling with things like that, that there's a possibility to to work on or to overcome things.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

很好。

Cool.

好的。

Alright.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

Alright.

再见。

Bye.

太棒了。

Awesome.

这是个很好的例子。

That was a great example.

我觉得我们现在谈到一些相当深入的内容了，而且情况比我原本期望的还要好。

I feel like we're getting to some pretty deep things here at this point, and this is going even better than I was I was hoping.

好的。

Alright.

让我看看下一个是谁。

So let me see who's next.

大家可以通过点击你们认为我接下来应该回答的问题旁边的点赞按钮来投票，我会尽量优先处理这些。

Everybody can vote on by hitting the like button next to the ones that you think I should answer next, and then I'll try to prioritize those.

好的。

Alright.

看起来Dawn是大家投票最多的下一个人选。

So it looks like Dawn is the next one that everyone has voted.

Dawn，你在吗？愿意来聊一聊吗？

Dawn, are you here, and are you up for doing a chat?

好的。

Okay.

所以你需要先退出再重新加入。

So it's gonna have you leave and rejoin.

在我等待的时候，我确实开始收集第三宫的例子了。

And while I'm waiting, definitely, I'm starting to collect third house examples.

我想我会像上次一样，先主要聚焦于名人例子。

I think I'm gonna focus primarily on celebrity examples first for the first one like I did last time.

如果任何人有特别突出的第三宫名人例子，请一定发给我。

So if anybody has any good third house celebrity examples that really stand out to you, then please send them in.

我可以很快发出一个公开征集，尤其是通过推特和脸书。

You can I'll put out an open call for those soon potentially I think especially on Twitter and Facebook.

我在这里。

I'm here.

哦，你来了。

Oh, you're here.

哦，原来你在这儿。

Oh, there you are.

嗨。

Hey.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我没听到也没看到你，好的。

I didn't hear you or see you Alright.

那么，我们开始吧。

For a So let's do this then.

你的出生数据是什么？

What's your birth data?

1966年2月3日。

02/03/1966.

几点？

What time?

早上5点41分。

05:41AM

好的。

Okay.

在康涅狄格州的布里奇波特。

In Bridgeport, Connecticut.

你的上升星座是摩羯座17度吗？

And your Ascendant is 17 Capricorn?

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Alright.

这是你的星盘。

So here's your chart.

你的第二半球上升在摩羯座17度。

17 Capricorn rising in your second half.

所以我们看到，水星在水瓶座1度逆行，然后太阳和水星在水瓶座合相，水星位于12度，太阳位于14度，而第二宫的主宰星是土星。

So we see we have a retrograde Venus at one degree of Aquarius and then we have a Sun Mercury conjunction with Mercury at 12 and the Sun at 14 of Aquarius and the ruler of the second house is Saturn.

有趣的是，在第三宫，就像我们上一个夜盘的例子一样，火星也位于那里。

Interestingly, in the third house, just like our last chart example in a night chart, where Mars is placed as well.

所以跟我聊聊你的星盘在你生活中的体现吧，你的第二宫具体是怎么体现的？

So tell me about your chart in your life and how how What's your second house example?

其实我并没有计划过这些，但我是一名厨师。

Well, I didn't plan any of this, but I I'm I trade a chef.

就在冥王星进入水瓶座的那天，我一时兴起辞了工作。

On the day, Pluto entered Aquarius, I quit my job on a whim.

那天过得挺糟的。

It was a bad day.

你辞掉了厨师的工作？

Quit your quit your job as a chef?

是的。

Yes.

那持续了多久

And How long

到那时你已经做了多久了？

how long had you been doing it at that point?

那份工作没做多久，但我一辈子都在当厨师。

That particular job, not very long, but being a chef my whole life.

好的。

Okay.

所以你那天过得很糟，然后辞职了。

So you had a really bad day and you quit your job.

是的。

Yeah.

冥王星当时和你的金星合相吗？

And Pluto was conjoining your Venus?

是冥王星。

Pluto yes.

那天冥王星正好在水瓶座零度。

It was at zero zero, Aquarius that day.

你知道是哪一天吗？

Do you know what day it was?

2月2日。

February 2.

那是我生日的前一天。

It was the day before my birthday.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

好的。

Okay.

所以让我确认一下，是哪一年的2月2日？

So let me February 2 of what?

今年吗？

This year?

是的。

Yes.

2024年。

2024.

好的。

Okay.

就在那儿。

There it is.

是的。

Yeah.

我们看到了冥王星。

We see Pluto.

冥王星不只是在水瓶座零度。

Pluto is not just at zero Aquarius.

它正好在水瓶座二十四度。

It's just it's zero twenty four Aquarius.

所以这是一个是的。

So it's a yeah.

它非常接近你的金星。

It's very close to your your Venus.

是的。

Yeah.

另一件事是，这并不是第二宫，而是当冥王星与我的上升点合相时，我有机会去上艺术课，那时我一见钟情地爱上了艺术，这也是我决定辞职的部分原因。

The other thing is it's not second house, but on when Pluto conjoined my ascendant, I had an opportunity to go to an art class, and I ended up falling love at first sight as an artist, and that's part of the impetus to quit.

你知道，我就是更想做艺术和占星，而不是当厨师。

You know, I just kept wanting to do art and astrology more than I wanted to be a chef.

但没错，那天我辞了工作，这让我能在3月5日开车去洛杉矶，我觉得那天冥王星可能正好与我的金星相合。

And but, yes, that day, I quit my job, which allowed me to drive to Los Angeles on March 5, which I think is another I think maybe Pluto is exact on that day, my Venus.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

It was.

那天就是冥王星正好合相你金星的那天吗？

That was the exact day that Pluto was conjoining your Venus?

是的。

Yeah.

所以我开车去洛杉矶参加我女儿的四十岁生日派对。

So I was I drove to LA for my daughter's fortieth birthday party.

我遇到了两位男士，我们打算一起进行这个哲学实验，我和女儿相处得非常愉快。

I met these two men who we wanted to do this philosophical experiment together, and I just had such a great time with my daughter.

我决定辞去在马萨诸塞州的工作，搬到新墨西哥州，那是我感觉最舒适、离加州一天车程以内的地方。

I decided to quit my life in Massachusetts and move to New Mexico, which was the closest state I felt comfortable moving to California where it was within a day's drive.

是你女儿住的地方吗？

Of of where your daughter lives?

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

所以对于听音频的听众来说，金星实际上同时掌管着你的第十宫（事业）和第五宫（子女）。

So and and for those listening to audio, it's like Venus is actually ruling your tenth whole sign house of career as well as your fifth house of children.

因此，当你经历这个精确的冥王星相位时，你不仅在事业上做出重大改变，同时在女儿方面也发生了重要的事情。

So that's part of the reason why when you're having this exact Pluto transit, you're both making major changes in terms of your career, but also there's important stuff happening in terms of your daughter.

她那趟旅行期间要结婚了。

She was getting married during that trip.

所以你就是因为这个才去的？

That's why you took it?

哦，不是的。

Oh, no.

她满40岁了。

She turned 40.

她开了一家很酷的家居用品店，而我过去办了一场自己的艺术展。

We she has a cool, like, home goods store, and, I went out to do a show with my art.

所以我才开车去的。

That's why I drove.

我们玩得特别开心，于是约定以后我可以在自己所在地区为她的店挑选家具，然后我们就能经常互相拜访。

And we just had the best time that we agreed we would do some work later on where I would pick furniture for her store in my area, and then we'd get to visit each other on the regular.

这就是我们的计划。

So that was the plan.

新墨西哥州到洛杉矶是一条很直接的路线。

And New Mexico was a good straight shot to Los Angeles.

所以我们还在德克萨斯州有生意。

So we've and and also business in Texas.

德克萨斯州有一个大型展览，我们想参加。

There's a big show in Texas that we want to do.

所以它正好位于两地之间。

So it was in the middle of both.

好的。

Okay.

明白了。

Got it.

这也很有意思，因为三月，当然，就在那个月晚些时候，而四月初则是日食季的开始。

That's also interesting because March, of course, just later that starting later that month and in early April of course was like the beginning of eclipse season.

我看到交点正好经过你第四宫和第十宫的中间。

I see the nodes transiting through your right in the middle of your fourth house and your tenth house.

在整个这段时间里，你的第十宫和第四宫都经历了重大日食，你选择在第四宫日食的影响下搬家搬迁，同时在这一年半的时间里，第十宫的日食也伴随着重大的事业开端与结束。

You're having major eclipses in your tenth and fourth during this entire period and you're deciding to move and relocate with the eclipses in your fourth house, but also having major career beginnings and endings with eclipses in your tenth house during this year and a half long period at the same time.

没错。

Right.

有趣的是，当我回到家后，我联系了我的房地产经纪人朋友，她帮我挂牌了房子。

And it's funny because the realtor, when I got home, I called my realtor friend and she listed the house.

我家的开放日是在日食前的那个周末，是7号吗？

And the open house for the my home was the weekend before the eclipse on was it the seventh?

是6号还是7号？

Sixth or seventh?

四月吗？

Of April?

四月。

April.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为那个星期一是日食发生的那天。

That Monday was the eclipse, I believe.

六号或七号。

The sixth, seventh.

而这确实是。

And this is yeah.

日食发生在八号，而这正是

The eclipse took place on the eighth, and this was what the

房产经纪人。

the realtor.

我房子的开放日是六号和七号。

The open house for my house was the sixth and the seventh.

当时反响特别热烈，她说这是最好也最终的报价，我们收到了整整八个报价。

There was such a buzz about it that she, she said best and final, and we got, like, eight eight offers.

我们在日食当天——也就是八号——决定接受哪个报价。

And we decided on the day of the eclipse that the eighth which offer I would take.

哇。

Wow.

好的。

Okay.

太不可思议了。

That's incredible.

是的。

Yeah.

完美。

Perfect.

而且我其实 earlier 注意到一件事，刚才忘了提。

And something I noticed actually earlier, forgot to mention.

所以你是在一个月前去的，那天是几号？

So it was a month earlier that you were out there in What day was it?

三月？

March?

3月5日。

March 5.

那就是你外出的那天。

And that was the day you're out there.

那是你决定卖房子的日子吗？还是只是去旅行？

And is this when you make the decision to sell your house or or this was just a trip?

不是。

No.

我在那里时就决定卖房子了。

I decided to sell while I was there.

好的。

Okay.

我觉得有趣的是，当时木星位于金牛座12度，几乎正好与你的天底（IC）在金牛座12度合相，位于第五全宫宫位。

So what I thought was interesting about that because I I was highlighting different things of course, but transiting Jupiter is at 12 degrees of Taurus and it's exactly conjoining your IC almost at 12 degrees of Taurus in the fifth whole sign house.

这实际上完美地印证了我常提到的一个原则：需要关注天底（IC）的度数如何将第四宫的含义带入它所落的整个宫位。因为在这里，你的天底落在第五宫，相当于将家庭与居住的含义，与子女和创造力的含义叠加在一起——你当时去探望女儿，同时展示你的作品，然后你做出了部分搬迁的决定，以便更靠近女儿。

So this is actually a perfect demonstration of that principle that I always talk about of needing to pay attention to how the degree of the IC can import fourth house significations into whatever whole sign house it falls just because what we have here with your IC falling in the fifth house is like a doubling up of of home home situation significations with children and creativity significations because you're you're out there visiting your daughter also having this this show of your work and then you make this decision to move partially in order to be closer to your daughter.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

这真棒。

That's cool.

是的。

Yeah.

这太美了。

That's that's beautiful.

再次强调一下，这是木星运行至第五宫内IC度数并与其合相。

So and that's again, just to reiterate for people that's transiting Jupiter conjoining the degree of the IC in the fifth house.

在这次旅行中，情况显然非常顺利，于是你做出了搬家的决定。

And then on this trip, it goes evidently so well that you make this decision to move.

当时你从哪里搬走？或者你那时住在哪里？

Where were you moving from or what were where were you living at the time?

我住在马萨诸塞州，西部马萨诸塞。

I lived in Massachusetts, Western Mass.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你是直接决定搬到国家的另一端？

So you're literally moving to the other you've decided to move to the other side of the country?

是的。

Yeah.

然后你显然通过卖房实现了这一决定，仅仅四周后，几乎就在白羊座日食那天，那是你的第四整宫？

And then you evidently like accomplish it by selling your house only four weeks later essentially on the day of a solar eclipse in Aries, your fourth whole sign house?

是的。

Yes.

这真的非常惊人。

That's honestly really stunning.

这很好地说明了为什么你需要关注这些细节，以及为什么关注IC的度数是相关且有效的——比如，当木星合相你的IC，发生在第五整宫，而日食又发生在你的第四整宫，这显然构成了第四宫的行运，因为你正是在日食当天决定出售房屋或接受报价，而那天正好是你的第四整宫。

It's a really good demonstration also of just why you need to pay attention to and why they both work and are relevant of paying attention to, for example, the degree of the IC and that being relevant in terms of having a sort of fourthfifth house transit with Jupiter conjoining your IC in the fifth whole sign house, but then having that eclipse in your fourth whole sign house and that obviously being a fourth house transit then in the fourth sign because you sell your house or you decide to take that offer on the very day of that eclipse in your fourth whole sign house.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这真是这一原则的绝佳例证。

That's just a great demonstration of that principle.

所以我希望每个人都能够内化这一点，因为我在客户和名人案例中反复看到这种情况。

So I hope everyone internalize that because that's what I see come up over and over again in like client and celebrity cases.

但有时候，我很难向别人传达这个原则。

But it's sometimes very hard for me to convey that principle to people.

当我这么说的时候，听起来有点抽象。

When I say it, it sounds kind of abstract.

但我觉得，当你看到像这样的具体例子时，就非常清晰了。

But I think when you see it in an example like this, it's really good.

好的。

All right.

所以你在4月8日，也就是日食当天卖掉了房子或同意接受那个报价，之后发生了什么？

So you sell your house or you agree to take that offer on April 8, like the day of the eclipse, and then what happens after that?

然后在5月15日，我完成了房屋过户。

Then I May 15, I close on the house.

我想那天是星期五，之后我收拾东西搬进储藏室，带着我所有的植物——我有很多植物——开车横跨全国，去新墨西哥州阿尔伯克基的一处短租屋。

I think that's a Friday, and then I leave for I draw I put my things in storage, and I drive across the country with all my plants, which I have a lot of, to go to an Airbnb in New Mexico in Albuquerque.

是的。

Yeah.

这很合理。

That makes sense.

好的。

Okay.

明白了。

Got it.

而且

And

所以我二十号到达阿尔伯克基。

So I arrive on the twentieth in Albuquerque.

我总是租一栋不与其他建筑相连的房子，只是为了安全起见。

I always rent a house that's, you know, not attached to anything, just for safety's sake.

我只是觉得更安心。

I just feel more comfortable.

结果发现，这位Airbnb房东在后面有一间小屋，她直接走进了我的租屋，偷走了我的包，里面装着我的钱包、身份证，实际上还有我的社会安全卡，因为我正在搬家，还有我的电脑，我相当确定那台电脑已经坏了，因为我之前一直在沙发上看电视。

And, turns out that the woman who owned the Airbnb had a little casita behind, and she just walked into my rental, stole my bag with my wallet and my ID, actually, my Social Security card because I was moving, and my computer, which I'm pretty sure was dead because I had been watching TV on the couch.

所以我把手机带进了卧室。

So I brought my phone into the room the bedroom with me.

她走了进来。

She walked in.

我敢肯定当时是凌晨四点左右，因为她的狗在叫，把我吵醒了，然后狗就不叫了。

I'm pretty sure it was around 4AM because her dog was barking, and then it woke me up, and then it stopped barking.

所以那就是珀耳塞福涅之旅的开始。

So that was the Persephone journey the start of the Persephone journey.

明白了。

Got it.

只是在翻看一下。

Just looking through.

很有趣。

It's interesting.

土星在五月初位于水瓶座二度，正好靠近你第二宫的金星。

Pluto stationed around that time in early May at two degrees of Aquarius very close to your Venus there in the second house.

所以，经历被偷的东西，这很有趣。

So it's interesting having that experience of having something stolen.

你此刻也正处于第三宫的土星回归期。

You're also like right in the midst of your exact Saturn return in the third house.

我觉得你在那时旅行，这一点非常有意思。

And I think it's fascinating that you're traveling at that time.

你实际上是在开车进行一次横跨全国的旅程。

You're doing this cross country journey essentially in your car.

好的。

Alright.

所以那时你在所住的地方经历了被盗的事情。

So you had that experience of like theft at that time in the the place that you were staying.

然后还发生了什么？

And then what else happened?

后来，在我女儿的帮助下，我接下来只在阿尔伯克基待了一周，但显然我感觉不安全。

Then I with my daughter's help, I I my next I was only staying in Albuquerque for a week, but obviously I didn't feel safe.

所以我的下一个Airbnb选在了新墨西哥州的陶斯。

So my next Airbnb was in Taos, New Mexico.

我不能把植物带进酒店，因为我的车里有大约30盆植物。

I could not bring my plants into the hotel because I have a had about 30 in my car.

所以那五天里，我每天都会开着车长途行驶，开着空调，因为天气太热了。

So every day, I would for those five days, I would drive take long drives with the AC on because it was so hot.

我最终找到了这个地方——科罗拉多州的福特加兰德，只是因为我当时开车经过这里。也许听起来没什么特别的，但我和这座房子里那位已故男子之间的种种巧合简直不可思议。

And I ended up finding this place, Fort Garland, Colorado, just because it was one of the drives I took, which I I guess that doesn't sound that amazing, but it the synchronicities of me in this house and me and the guy who died are incredible.

那你找到的是临时住处，还是决定长期住下的地方？

So you found a place to stay temporarily or that you decided to to stay in?

不是。

No.

我在酒店住了五天，之后为了不让车里的植物枯死，我一直在附近开车兜风，偶然发现了我现在住的这个地方。

I stay I was in the hotel for five days, and then just driving up and around the area to keep my plants from dying, I found this place that I live in now.

而且

And

那是哪一天？或者是什么时候？

What day or what time frame was that?

那是个假期，是阵亡将士纪念日吗？

That was a holiday was it what is is it Memorial Day?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

在五月。

At the May.

是的。

Yeah.

那是假期周末的那个星期六，我想是的。

It was it was I think this that Saturday of the holiday weekend.

我知道那段时间，我不确定聊天里有没有人能查一下纪念日诺瓦克通常是在那个周末举行。

I know that's around if I don't know if somebody in the chat can look up when Memorial Day NORWAC always takes place that weekend.

所以我认为大概是24号。

So I think that's around the twenty fourth.

看起来那天是星期四。

It looks like that's a Thursday.

我注意到水星正在穿越你IC点所在的金牛座12度，就在那之前。

I do see like Mercury transiting over 12 Taurus over the degree of your IC leading up to that.

好的。

Okay.

所以你找到了这个地方，然后决定就在这里定居并搬进来吗？

So you found this place and and you decided that that's where you were gonna land and and move into?

是的。

Yes.

其实我不太记得了，但因为我丢了驾照，我知道自己有卖房子的钱，也知道必须再买一栋房子，因为当时我只租了一个Airbnb，住了一个月零几天。

And I actually don't remember, but I because I lost my license, I knew I I had the money from the sale of my house, and I knew I needed to buy another house because I only had an Airbnb for a month and a few days.

于是我开车回了马萨诸塞州，在这里某处把驾照的问题解决了，他们本打算寄给我，但我的所有邮件都丢了。

So I drove back to Massachusetts somewhere in here, got my license sorted out, which they were gonna mail back to me, but all of my mail just went missing.

就像凭空消失了。

Like, it disappeared.

有些邮件我到现在还没收到。

Some of it I still don't have.

所以在这段时间里，我的驾照一直找不到。

So the license had disappeared for most of this time.

与此同时，我搬进了下一个Airbnb，地点在陶斯，时间是二十七号。

And meanwhile, I move into the next Airbnb, which was on the twenty seventh in Taos.

5月27日？

The May 27?

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

这个家伙真让人讨厌。

And this guy is a creep.

他基本上把Airbnb当成了约会平台。

He was using basically the the Airbnb as a dating service kind of thing.

所以我们之间有些问题。

So we had our issues.

他老是突然出现，想做些无聊的事，比如园艺、捡个包之类的。

He kept just showing up, wanting to do, you know, stupid stuff like gardening or pick up a bag or whatever.

这两处Airbnb，我不知道该怎么形容。

So the two Airbnbs, I don't know how to describe it.

只是感觉，我不得不一遍又一遍地联系Airbnb，先报告盗窃，现在又报告这个家伙。实际上，我一直没跟他们提过这个家伙，直到他7月5日把我锁在Airbnb外面，因为我一再让他别来打扰我。

It just felt like the communication of having to talk to Airbnb over and over about the theft and now about this guy, I actually didn't speak to them about the guy until he, he actually kicked he locked me out of the Airbnb on July 5 because I told him to leave me alone over and over.

他终于明白我真的希望他别再来打扰我。

And he finally understood that I really wanted him to leave me alone.

是的。

Yeah.

还有些不同的情况，比如土星在六月底终于停滞不动。

There was different stuff like transiting Saturn stationed finally in late June.

这加剧了你土星回归和第三宫旅行方面的事情。

So that's that intensified things with your Saturn return and travels in your third house.

然后火星在那之前经过了你的天底，位于十二度。

And then Mars passed over your IC at twelve leading up to that.

好的。

Okay.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

你

You

还有，我买的房子

Also, the house I bought the house on

我觉得

I think

是9号，本来我计划在6月19日买房。

it was the ninth well, I was supposed to buy the house on June 19.

那是经纪人定的交割日期，但那天正好是节假日——六月节，而因为我一直在努力获取身份证明以便买房，我根本没注意到。

That's the date the the realtor had set the a closing on, but that ended up being a holiday, Juneteenth, which because of my trying to get ID to be able to even buy a house, I didn't notice.

我最后跑了两三次，因为所有东西都不见了。

I ended up going across two, three times more because everything was gone.

就像陷入了一个困境和两难局面：没有身份证明，你该怎么买房、搬家或者办任何事情呢？

Like, I the the conundrum of and catch 22 of how do you buy a house or do any or move somewhere or get anything without having any way to prove you are you.

而且我当时也拿不到任何钱，那可能是我银行账户里最多的一笔钱了。

I also didn't have access to any of my money, which probably was the most money I ever had in my bank account ever.