白羊座在占星学中的含义与特质

他们做什么？

What do they do?

他们去那些从未被探索过的地方。

They go to places that have never been explored.

但那些智力和思想上的先驱者，同样是白羊座的，他们进入的是全新的领域。

But it's also the pioneers of intellect and the pioneers of ideas that are also Arian that are people who are going into places that are brand new.

对白羊座来说，这令人兴奋。

And for an Aries, that's exciting.

身处一个从未有人到过的地方，这很令人兴奋。

It's exciting being somewhere where no one else has ever been.

而对于其他人来说，这可能太过威胁，他们宁愿选择稳妥的老路。

Whereas for someone else, that might be so threatening that they would rather go and take the tried and and true.

我想起了威廉·布莱克在《天堂与地狱的婚姻》中的一句话：天才的道路是曲折的，而改进者的道路是笔直的。

And I'm reminded of a William Blake line from the marriage of heaven and hell where he writes that the road of genius is a crooked one where that of an improver is straight.

我认为这体现了白羊座那种不顾一切的莽撞——它不是一条直线，因为那位伟大的先驱者可能要经历三四次彻底失败的旅程，直到最终抵达目的地。

And I think that that there's a sense of that Aries recklessness that is not a straight line because the the Aries person who may be the great pioneer may go and take three or four journeys that totally fail that don't get to where they want to go until they actually get to where they want to go.

对。

Right.

就像俗话说的，要煎蛋卷就得打碎一些鸡蛋。

Like you got to break some eggs in order to make an omelet, I think is the saying.

我喜欢这句话。

I like that.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这引出了其他一些事情。

So this brings up some other things.

其中之一我们现在可能会谈到，是一组与火星相关的象征意义，涉及战士、斗士、领导者。

One of them we might get into now is there's a cluster of significations connected with Mars that have to do with the warrior, the fighter, the leader.

其中之一也是英雄。

And one of them is also the hero.

对我来说，白羊座最核心、最根本的原型之一就是英雄的最高表现形式，以及英雄之旅的概念——这个概念在过去一个世纪由约瑟夫·坎贝尔等人发展而来，指的是在不同文化的众多神话中，都存在一个核心原型，描述了英雄从简单起源逐步发展，最终成为我们故事结尾所认知的那种人物的完整历程。

And for me, that's one of the best overarching or underlying archetypes for Aries is the notion of the hero at its highest expression and to the notion of the hero's journey, which is this sort of concept that's been developed over the past century by Joseph Campbell and other people of this this notion of there being this core archetype that shows up in many different myths from different cultures about what the sequence is in the development of a hero archetype and what kind of journey that they go through from simple origins to something more complex to the person that we think of at the end of the story.

所以我从维基百科摘录了一小段，其中谈到约瑟夫·坎贝尔对此的看法：这个概念认为，英雄从日常世界出发，进入一个超自然的奇妙领域。

So I have a little snippet from Wikipedia where they're talking about Joseph Campbell's take on this and it says, the concept is that a hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder.

随后，英雄会遭遇神奇的力量，并取得决定性的胜利。

Fabulous forces are then encountered and a decisive victory is won.

英雄从这段神秘的冒险归来后，便拥有了赐福于他人的力量。

The hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man.

这算是一个简短的版本，但完整的版本则包含许多不同的阶段和步骤。

That's kind of a short version of it, but the long version of it is that there's a number of different stages and steps along the way in the journey.

同样，另一段文字提到：英雄始于平凡的世界，必须离开这个日常世界，并收到冒险的召唤，

Again, from another paragraph, it says that they begin in an ordinary world and the hero must depart from the ordinary world where he receives a call to adventure,

这非常

which is a very

符合白羊座的象征意义。

Aries type signification.

并且它提到，在导师的帮助下，因为英雄通常是年轻型的人物，这又是白羊座的另一个特征——年轻或朝气。

And it says with the help of a mentor because the hero is often a younger type figure, which is another Aries type thing of youth or youthfulness.

它说，英雄会穿越一道守护的门槛，进入一个超自然的世界，在那里，熟悉的法则和秩序不再适用。

It says the hero will cross a guarded threshold leading him to a supernatural world where familiar laws and order do not apply.

在那里，英雄将踏上一条考验之路，在途中接受各种考验。

There the hero will embark on a road of trials where he's tested along the way.

这又是白羊座的特征，有时会经历挫折或考验，比如初次尝试某事却未必成功。

That's another Aries thing which is sometimes having setbacks or trials like trying something initially and not necessarily succeeding.

接着它提到，原型英雄有时会得到盟友的帮助。

Then it says the archetypal hero is sometimes assisted by allies.

当英雄面对考验时，他会遇到旅程中最大的挑战。

As the hero faces the ordeal, he encounters the greatest challenge of the journey.

在迎接挑战后，英雄将获得奖赏或恩赐。

Upon rising to the challenge, the hero will receive a reward or a boon.

坎贝尔的单一神话理论还包含了隐喻性的死亡与重生。

Campbell's theory of monomyth continues with the inclusion of metaphorical death and resurrection.

英雄必须决定带着这份奖赏返回平凡世界。

The hero must then decide to return with this boon to the ordinary world.

英雄在返回的路上还要面对更多的考验。

The hero then faces more trials on the road back.

当英雄归来时，这份奖赏或礼物可以用来改善英雄的平凡世界，这在坎贝尔看来就是奖赏的应用。

Upon the hero's return, the boon or gift may be used to improve the hero's an ordinary world in what Campbell calls the application of the boon.

这些内容都只是来自维基百科上关于他著作《千面英雄》的概要。

So this is all just from a Wikipedia page on the synopsis of his book, The Hero with a Thousand Faces.

但我就是喜欢这种英雄的概念，当然，我们也看到它在许多不同的艺术和文化形式中出现过。

But I just like that notion of the hero and then of course, we've seen that show up in many different arts and culture type things.

比如《星球大战》中，乔治·卢卡斯在创作第一部《星球大战》电影中的卢克这一角色时就借鉴了这一理念，卢克起初只是一个在沙漠星球上默默无闻的水分农民，然后……

Like for example, in Star Wars where George Lucas drew on that for the figure of Luke in the very first Star Wars movie and how he starts out as sort of like a humble water, like moisture farmer on a desert planet and then

据说，乔治·卢卡斯在塑造这些角色时曾与约瑟夫·坎贝尔进行过交流。

he goes apparently, George Lucas had conversation with Joseph Campbell in crafting some of these figures.

你知道的吧？

You know?

是的

Yeah.

对

Right.

所以他明确地借鉴了这一点来塑造卢克这个角色，而卢克后来知道了自己身世的真相，最终成为英雄，拯救了世界。

So he he was like drew on that explicitly and developing the figure of Luke and then Luke, you know, finds out all this stuff about his lineage and like goes on to be the hero and save the day so to speak.

有趣的是，我翻看我的文件时发现，饰演卢克的演员马克·哈米尔的木星落在白羊座，这个位置还挺有意思的。

And it's funny actually because I was looking through my files and the actor who even played Luke, Mark Hamill has Jupiter in Aries, which is kind of funny funny placement down there.

是的

Yeah.

当这种事情发生时，我特别喜欢。

I love it when that happens.

当扮演角色的演员，我们以前就见过这种情况。

When when the person who's acting the part, we've seen this before.

我觉得亚历克斯·特里诺维奇刚写了一本书，讲的是那些扮演的角色恰好与他们星盘相契合的人。

I think Alex Trinovith just wrote a book on on on people who play parts that their chart actually supports.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

这是一个重要的现象。

Which is a major phenomenon.

因此，说到这一点，我认为英雄是白羊座原型的最高表现之一。

So when it comes to that, that's one of the highest expressions of the Aries archetype I feel like is the hero.

一个愿意为他人而战、为某种信念或理由而捍卫的人，尤其是为弱势群体挺身而出，即使意味着孤身奋战、遭遇艰难险阻，也要坚持做正确的事，去实现或守护那些必须被守护的东西。

Somebody that will fight and defend somebody especially for a cause or for a reason or will defend the downtrodden or who will fight and sort of strike out and do what's right even if it means going it alone and encountering hardships or difficulties in order to achieve or defend that which needs to be defended.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

所有这些都对。

All all of that true.

我不知道你有没有提到，约瑟夫·坎贝尔不仅是白羊座，而且水星、木星和火星也都位于白羊座，这一点值得参考。

And I don't know if you mentioned the fact that, Joseph Campbell was not only an Aries, but had Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars all in Aries too, just as a point of reference.

是的。

Yes.

这非常重要。

That's hugely important.

你提到过他的星盘，还把他的资料记在我们的笔记里，我觉得他拥有白羊座的多重行星聚集真是太棒了。

You mentioned his chart and put him in our notes and I think that's amazing that he had an Aries stellium.

他上升星座是天秤座，太阳在五度，水星在六度，木星在六度，下降点在二十度，火星在二十一度，全部都在白羊座。

He had Libra rising and he had Sun at five, Mercury at six, Jupiter at six, descendant to 20, and Mars at 21, all in Aries.

所以，提出英雄之旅这一概念或观察的人，自己星盘中就有大量行星落在白羊座，这真是……

So the guy that developed this notion or had this observation about the hero's journey himself had a huge number of placements in Aries which

而且有趣的是，这不仅因为他有火星在白羊座，他还亲身经历了这段旅程。

is And the cool thing about this is not just that he had the Mars in Aries, he went on the journey himself.

你知道吗，他早年就独自去了纽约阿迪朗达克山脉的一间小木屋。

Know, early on in life, he went and went off into a cabin up in the Adirondack Mountains in New York.

你知道吗？他写的第一本书叫《芬尼根的守灵夜解密》，任何有文学背景的人都知道，这本书复杂到大多数人认为它完全是胡言乱语。

You know, people don't know that the first book that he wrote was a book called A Skeleton Key to Finnegan's Wake, which anyone who has any literary orientation knows is a book that was so complicated that that most people just said this is gobbledygook.

这简直是垃圾。

It's trash.

它毫无意义。

It doesn't mean anything.

但约瑟夫·坎贝尔却写了一本书，逐页逐页地解读它，而他是通过远离尘世、隐居起来，真正踏上自己的旅程才完成的。

And Joseph Campbell actually wrote a book that deciphers it like page by page by page, but he did it by going away and and becoming a recluse and really going on his own journey.

他星盘中令人着迷的是，太阳、水星和木星几乎紧密地聚集在四分之一度以内。

And what's fascinating about his chart is that the Sun, Mercury, and Jupiter are all within almost a quarter of a degree.

它们、它们、它们就贴得这么近。

They're they're they're like they're like they're they're that close.

实际上，我认为太阳到水星再到木星的跨度只有十七分的弧度。

They are, it's actually I think seventeen minutes of orb from the Sun to Mercury to Jupiter.

而且它们都落在他的第六宫。

And here and they're in his sixth house.

这是他的研究成果。

This was his work.

他们把月亮放在狮子座的第十宫，所以他展现出那些大型节目，比如那个千面英雄和他知名的PBS特别节目。

They're trying the moon in Leo in the tenth house, so he puts on the show the, you know, the huge the man with a thousand faces and the the PBS specials that he's known for.

但这是太阳和水星的沟通，加上木星的哲学，全部都在白羊座。

But it's the Sun and Mercury communication, and then Jupiter the philosophy, but all in Aries.

他编造了这一切。

He made all this stuff up.

以前从来没有人做过这样的研究。

No one had done this work before ever.

这才是真正的先驱。

That's a pioneer.

没错。

Right.

当然。

For sure.

所以这所有的一切都是一种积极的版本。

So this is all sort of positive version.

我们会来回讨论，因为没有任何星座或位置是完全积极或完全消极的，它们既可以以建设性的方式表达，也可以以破坏性的方式表现，人们可能会以不同的方式理解，甚至处于两者之间的某个状态。

We're gonna go back and forth because no sign and no placement is either all positive or all negative and either it can express in either constructive or destructive ways and people can take it in different directions or even somewhere in between.

这与个人自己的选择有关，与他们成长的环境有关，也与人们能够改变有关，他们可以在生命的不同阶段展现出 archetype 的不同版本，有时并不总是只表现为某一种版本。

It has to do with the person's own choices, it has to do with the environment that they grew up in, it has to do with And people can change and manifest different versions of the archetype at different times throughout their life and can sometimes be not always just one version or another.

因此，我们可以说，白羊座最高层次的表现是英雄之旅或英雄原型，但同时，也可能表现为战士或军人形象，或者是一个挑起事端的人——他们不是英雄，而是像反派，或总是跟你找茬的人。

So that said, we have the highest expression of let's say the hero's journey or the hero archetype with Aries, but then also there can be the the fighter or the military figure or there can be the person that is instigating things that is not the hero, but is like let's say like the villain or the person that's constantly starting fights with you.

反派、恶霸，甚至是一个毫无底气的 insecure 之人，通过过度补偿来表现强硬，因为害怕如果别人发现他/她其实是个懦夫会怎样。

The villain or the bull or the bully even, the insecure person who had who is coming out of no strength at all and then overcompensating for it and acting tough because because of the fear of what what it might be if people realized what a wimp or, you know, he he or she was or.

是的。

Yeah.

昨天我写象征意义时想到的一个概念是拿破仑情结。

Something that came to mind yesterday when I was writing on significations when it gets to that area was the notion of the Napoleon complex.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

或者有人对自己某方面的不足感到不安，为了掩盖或弥补这种不足，他们通过过度攻击性、专横或类似行为来补偿？

Or the notion of somebody that has an insecurity about something with them and in order to hide or make up for that, they overcompensate by being overly aggressive or bossy or something like that?

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

因此，在某些情况下，这可能是一个需要关注的问题，或是一种弱点或盲点：有时，一种不安全感会被攻击性、好斗倾向或试图在某种意义上主导他人的倾向所掩盖。

So that can be an issue to pay attention to or a weakness or blind spot in some instances is that sometimes there can be an insecurity that's masked or covered by aggressiveness or a tendency to fight or a tendency to try to dominate in some sense.

或者甚至说白羊座的人很强势，不一定是身体上的，但白羊座你知道，一个有趣的地方是，作为星座中的婴儿，它在某种奇怪的方式下是无意识的。

Or or even the notion of an of an Aries being pushy, not even necessarily physically, but but Aries You know, one of the interesting things about Aries is that as the baby of the zodiac, it is unconscious in a very odd way.

这是一种无意识的状态，就像两颗行星合相时彼此无法看清。

It's unconscious like two planets in conjunction have no perspective on one another.

因为它们靠得太近，所以缺乏觉知。

There's not an awareness because they're because they're so close together.

这其中存在着一种无意识。

There is an unconsciousness to it.

那个能对着自己的手指和脚趾开心地玩上几个小时的婴儿，根本不知道这些手指和脚趾是自己身体的一部分。

And the baby who can be amused by their fingers and toes for hours has no idea that the fingers and toes are part of their own being.

他们觉得宇宙中的一切都是自我的一部分，不管是不是真的属于自我。

They're like everything in the universe is part of the self whether it's part of the self or not.

而这里有一个关于白羊座的自私与无私之间有趣的现象：理论上，白羊座会非常自私。

And and and herein is an interesting thing about Aries' selfishness versus selflessness because theoretically, an Aries would be very selfish.

因为自私，是因为白羊座是代表‘自我’的星座。

Selfish because Aries is the sign of the self.

它是第一个星座。

It's the first sign.

这是‘我’、‘我’、‘我的’。

It's the I, me, mine.

这是婴儿，他不知道别人也有需求，因此只顾着满足自己的需求。

It's the baby who doesn't know that anyone else has any needs, so therefore it takes care of its own needs.

但当你观察成熟的白羊座时，你会意识到他们已经把自己的爱人、孩子、父母、家人、国家，甚至某种更广阔的概念，都纳入了自我的范畴，因此在某种意义上，他们依然在自私，但这个‘自我’已经扩展得如此之大，以至于变成了写下《独立宣言》的托马斯·杰斐逊。

But when you look at the developed Aries, you realize that they've included in their sense of self their their loved ones, their children, their parents, their family, their country, you know, some sense of a wider concept so that it's in some ways, they're still being selfish, but the self is so expanded that it becomes the Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence.

我的意思是，这种事你根本编不出来。

I mean, how you can't make that kind of stuff up.

白羊座也是自由与独立的象征。

Aries is also the sign of freedom and independence.

就像杰斐逊这样的人，他写下《独立宣言》，某种程度上是因为他渴望宣告自己的独立，但他将这种自私投射到了更广泛的群体，从而将自私转化为一种无私。

And and you have someone like Jefferson who wrote that in some ways because of his selfishness of wanting to declare his independence, but he projects it out to a larger wider audience that turns that selfishness into a form of selflessness.

这是一个有趣的微妙之处。

Just an interesting tweak.

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢你提到独立性是白羊座一个非常关键且重要的关键词，还有相关的自主性、自我主导、不愿被他人束缚、独立行动，以及自给自足——这也是一个被埋没的白羊座关键词，没错。

I like that you mentioned that independence as being a really strong and important Aries keyword as well as related ones like autonomy and having self autonomy, wanting to be unencumbered by other people or act on their own or being self sufficient is another Aries keyword that's buried Yep.

有了这一点

With that

是的。

Yeah.

这一点你常常会看到人们随着时间逐渐发展出来。

And that's something that you see in people often develop over time.

你会看到年轻的白羊座，像一只小羊羔，融入家庭、群体或团队中。

You see the the youthful Aries like like a ram being part of a family or a pack or a group.

但当这只羊羔长大，学会生存后，你就会看到一只孤羊站在山顶，独自伫立，仿佛不需要任何人。

And then as the ram grows older and learns survival, then you see that lone ram on the top of the mountain or standing alone feeling or apparently looking like it doesn't need anyone else.

当然，每个人都需要别人。

And of course, everyone needs someone else.

事情没那么简单。

It's not quite that simple.

但那种团结感、疏离感、孤独感并不完全准确，而是存在一种界限。

But there is something about that sense of solidarity, aloofness, aloneness above it isn't quite right, but there's a boundary.

正是这种界限，让白羊座在更成熟的状态下变得更加独立。

There's a there that makes that Aries, I think, in a more mature stance become more independent.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

好的。

Alright.

那我们来看看。

So let's see.

其他方面，比如火象特质、热情、炽热，作为火象星座的特性。

Other areas, one of them with the fieriness or the heat, the hotness, the notion of it being a fire sign.

与此相关的其他表现可能包括愤怒，比如当你对某事极度愤怒时，眼前一片通红，这也是另一种说法。

Some of the other things that can come up with this can be things like anger, like that notion when you get really angry about something and you're just seeing red is another expression.

红色是与白羊座相关的另一种颜色。

Red is another color associated with Aries.

火星，这颗愤怒的红色行星，正是人们如此称呼它的原因。

Mars, the angry red planet, which is what it's referred to as.

对。

Right.

所以是愤怒、红色、血液。

So anger, redness, bloods.

因此，愤怒的概念有时表现为容易发怒或情绪化，这也是白羊座的一面。

So notions of anger though, sometimes quick to anger or being temperamental can be a side of Aries.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

关于白羊座的愤怒，我没什么要补充的，除了这确实完全正确。

I don't know that I have anything to add to that other than it's absolutely true.

不过关于白羊座的愤怒，这又回到了婴儿的概念。

One thing about the Aries anger though, and this goes back to that concept of a baby.

你知道吗，婴儿感到疼痛或不适时会哭喊、尖叫、发怒，但之后却一点痕迹都不留。

You know, a baby when it feels pain or discomfort cries, yells, screams, gets angry, and then there's no trace left of it.

作为成年人，我们学会不能总是这样。

As adults, we learn that we can't always do that.

因此，在有些人看来，白羊座的过度反应、容易发怒，带有一种原始的纯真，甚至可以说是不成熟。

And so there's something about a a raw innocence or or or immaturity even about an Aries kind of overreacting in some people's minds and getting angry.

但作为星座，白羊座本身——不是说人们没有其他影响——并不在意心存怨恨。

But then Aries as a sign, not not that people have not that people don't have other influences, but Aries as a sign is not interested in carrying a grudge.

为什么？

Why?

因为怨恨意味着你紧抓着过去不放。

Because a grudge refers to something that you're holding onto from the past.

那种‘宁可报复也不愿生气’的态度，更像是巨蟹座的风格。

That's the Cancerian, I'd rather get even than get angry kind of a thing.

白羊座希望在当下就把情绪释放掉，这可能会让别人不快，但白羊座自己却感觉很好，因为愤怒得到了表达，也痛快地发泄了。

Aries wants to blow the energy off in the moment, which can upset others, but the Aries is left feeling great because it expressed its anger and stung with it.

砰。

Boom.

对。

Right.

所以它可能会变得非常愤怒，或者一开始会有暴怒，但最终他们会原谅，愤怒并不会持续太久，而是最终会放下；相比之下，比如天蝎座，这是一个固定宫位、由火星守护的星座，如果他们对某件事生气了，可能会记恨好几年，甚至几十年。

So it can become sort of furious or there can be an initial like rage, but it's something where they're eventually forgiving and the rage doesn't last necessarily, but eventually they get over it as opposed to let's say again like contrasting that with Scorpio which is like a fixed Mars ruled sign where it's like you If they get mad about something, they may hold on to it for like years or like decades.

永远。

Forever.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

太棒了。

Brilliant.

好的。

Okay.

这非常好，也非常有洞察力。

That's really good and really insightful.

我们在这里做的一件事，我想澄清一下，就是我们主要从个性特征和心理层面来讨论这个话题。

And one of the things we're doing here I want to clarify is we're talking a lot about this in a context of personality characteristics and traits and psychology.

但通过这一点，你也可以理解这些原型在不同情境下可能以更具体的方式表现出来。

But through that, you can also understand some of the other ways that some of these archetypes may manifest in more literal situations depending on the context.

但因为我们最易接触原型的方式，就是通过个性特征。

But because we're One of the most accessible ways to access access the archetype is through the personality characteristics.

所以我只是想简要提一下，虽然我们的大部分对话都会聚焦于此，以便人们能以更直接易懂的方式使用和理解它——因为我们讨论的是原型，一旦理解了背后的动态，这些事物在不同情境中可能以多种方式显现。

So I just wanted to mention that briefly because while most of our conversation will focus on that so that people can use it and understand it in a way that's more immediately relatable Because we're talking about archetypes, there can be many different ways that these things can manifest in the world in different situations once you understand the underlying dynamics.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为，正是我们在人们身上看到的这些动态，帮助我们理解所有的星座和行星，乃至这些原型。

And and I think it's those dynamics that we see in people that help us understand all of the signs and planets, the archetypes for that matter.

让我举一个我生活中的简单例子。

Give you a quick example in my life.

我的性格当然远不止是一个白羊座，但我的生活中确实有一些非常典型的白羊特质。

I mean, obviously, I'm more or wider than than just an Aries, but there are certain things in my life that are quite Arian.

我一生中曾多次被指责为人粗鲁。

And I've been accused at various times in my life of being rude.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但了解我的人都知道，我其实是个非常善良的人。

Now, I'm people who know me know I'm I'm a pretty kind person, very kind.

我会主动去关心他人，而在别人可能只是路过不管的情况下，我总会尽力去表达善意。

I am someone who will go out of my way to to be kind when other people might just pass by a situation.

然而，我有时会被一些根本不知道我正在与之互动的人指责为无礼。

However, I sometimes have been accused of being rude by people who I didn't even know I was interacting with.

这正是白羊座活在当下的负面表现：你和我正在交谈，而我却可能在对话中思绪飘走，完全不给你机会说出你想说的话，即使你说了，我也只是敷衍过去，继续做我原来在做的事或说原来的话，因为白羊座那种自我导向的特质，就是要一心一意地达成目标，不受任何干扰。

And that is a it's it's a negative part of that Aries being in the moment that you and I can have a conversation and I can just be going somewhere else in the conversation and not even give you any room to say what you were gonna say, or if you do, just pass it off and go back to what I was doing or saying because of that whole self directed notion of of of Aries of getting to where it's going to without any distractions.

我知道，在一些会议的社交场合中，有人曾向我打招呼，而多年后却告诉我，我当时有多无礼——而我根本记不得这个人曾向我打过招呼。

And I've, you know, been in social situations at conferences where apparently someone has said hello to me, and then years later said, told me how rude I was when I didn't even remember the person saying hello to me.

我并不是说这就能原谅我，我只是想说，这种极度专注的特质正是白羊座的特点，而这一点常常被人们忽略。

Now I'm not saying that forgives me, I'm just saying that it's an Aries kind of a trait of being so focused on what it's focused on, and that's another thing that people sometimes skip over with Aries traits.

高度专注正是白羊座在当下能成为如此强烈战士的原因，因为对他们而言，没有过去，也没有未来。

The high level of focus is why an Aries can be such an intense warrior in the moment because there is no past or future.

一切都在此时此刻，如果某件事不符合我此刻正在做的事，那它就不存在。

It's everything is now in this moment, And if it doesn't fit into what I'm doing in this moment, it doesn't exist.

但同样，这涉及人格互动的问题。

But again, there's a personality interaction.

那么，这种特质如何转化为一种原型呢？

Now, how does that translate to an archetype?

这可能会表现为一种看似自我中心、冷漠的原型，但实际上并非如此。

It can translate into an archetype that might seem to be self centered and uncaring when that's not necessarily what's going on.

是的。

Yeah.

所以当我听你描述这些时，冒出来的一个词是‘生硬’。

So one of the words that's coming up as I hear you describe this is the word brusque.

很好。

Good.

是的。

Yeah.

好词。

Good words.

生硬、粗鲁。

Brusque, brash.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，brusque，我刚刚查了brusque的定义，我待会儿还会多次查这个词，意思是带有粗鲁或武断的简短态度。

So brusque, and I was just looking at the definition of brusque, which I'm gonna do several times during this, but marked marked by a rude or preemptatory shortness.

所以，简短，但其背后并不是粗鲁本身，因为粗鲁在我看来是副作用之一，有些人会把它当作生硬，但其本质其实是直奔主题。

So curt, but underlying that is not It's not the rudeness itself because the rudeness I guess is part of the side effect where some people can experience that as brassic, but the thing underlying it is getting to the point.

直奔主题是一句常说的表达，把它落实到更实际的层面。

Getting straight to the point is one of the sayings and bringing it down to a more practical level.

就像几何学里说的，从A点到B点最快的方式是一条直线。

It's that notion that in geometry that the fastest way to get from point A to point B is a straight line.

白羊座会把直线和最短路径作为他们的第一反应，而其他一些星座可能更倾向于绕圈子，先讲个故事。

And Aries will take the straight line and the shortest line as their initial impulse rather than let's say some other signs might take a more circuitous route where you go around and you look Tell

讲故事。

a story.

讲个故事。

Tell a story.

是的。

Yeah.

或者你欣赏风景、停下来闻闻玫瑰的香气，而白羊座可能更倾向于直奔主题，这可能会显得生硬，但这往往不是他们的本意。

Or you look at the scenery or something or you're stopping to smell the roses whereas the Aries maybe wants to get more straight to the point and that can come off as brusque maybe as a side effect, but it's not always necessarily the underlying intention.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得这是对的。

I think is true.

但这引出了其他一些事情。

So that brings up other things though.

有时候，白羊座可能显得粗犷或棱角分明，原因多种多样。

It's like sometimes Aries can come off as sort of like rough around the edges or can be rough around the edges for different reasons.

所以我一直在想其他一些相关的关键词，比如骑手、战士、斗士、士兵。

So I was thinking of some of the other keywords I was coming up with were things like a biker or a fighter, a warrior, a soldier.

我认识或了解的占星师中，有一个我特别喜欢的例子，就是我的朋友艾伦·怀特。

One of my favorite examples for example of astrologers that I know or knew was my friend Alan White.

我总是把他作为白羊座上升的经典案例，因为他的火星落在白羊座，而且他是一名前士兵、特种部队成员，也是越战退伍军人，同时还是个占星师。

And I always use him as my classic Aries rising example with Mars in Aries in a day chart because he was this former soldier, special forces, ex Vietnam veteran who also was an astrologer.

是的。

Yeah.

我从来不确定是该害怕艾伦，还是该对他那些我完全不懂的知识感到无比着迷。

Never knew whether to be scared by Alan or to be totally fascinated by his ability to know stuff that I had no idea about.

他参加研讨会时总是穿着军装或制服，说话声音洪亮粗犷，非常直接。

Because he he would show up to conferences with his military fatigues on or regalia on and he had this very gruff, brusque way of speaking with this loud booming voice that could be very direct.

他从不避讳使用粗话之类的东西。

And he was not one to avoid using profanity and things like that.

但在这种最初的印象或冲动之下，他内心其实是个更温和、更有思想的人，他的星盘里还有很多其他因素在起作用。

Sort of underlying that initial sort of impulse or underlying that initial impression was sort of softer, more thoughtful sort of person internally and he had a lot of other stuff going on in his chart.

但没错，这种白羊座有时显得粗鲁、容易惹人反感、让人望而却步的特质确实存在。

But yeah, that that notion of that sometimes Aries can be brusque, it can rub some people the wrong way, it can be off putting.

亨特·S·

Hunter S.

汤普森是另一个典型的白羊座能量。

Thompson is another good Aries energy.

我觉得他有白羊座上升，他惹恼了很多人，因为他根本不在乎别人怎么想，不在乎别人想说什么。

I think he had an Aries Ascendant and people he he pissed people off because he was because he was just like didn't give a shit about what they thought or what they were think you know, what they wanted to say.

他有自己的观点要表达，而且一定会说出来。

He had his point to make and he was gonna make it.

是的。

Yeah.

所以有时候不怕伤害别人的感受，

So not being afraid to hurt somebody's feelings sometimes in

为了

order

说出该说的话，或者表达他们内心的感受，是的。

to say what needs to be said or what they feel like Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且我们应该说，需要说的事情并不总是真正需要说的。

And and and we should say that what needs to be said isn't always what needs to be said.

原始白羊座能量的一个缺点是，会说出一些根本不需要说的事情——我能听到治疗师对我说：‘那你为什么说那句话？’

That that that one of the downsides of raw Aries energy is saying things that do not need to be said that, you know, it it it's I can hear the therapist saying to me, so why did you say that?

你知道，你是想让对方明白，还是只是想让自己感觉好一点？

You know, was it because you wanted the other person to know, or what did you say it just so that you could feel better, you know, about yourself?

我觉得很多时候，这种白羊座的能量会不自觉地刻意惹人生气或让人烦躁。

And and and I think oftentimes, you know, that Aries energy is you know, it it can go out of its way to kind of make people angry or annoyed without even necessarily knowing it.

但有时候，你其实心里清楚，甚至还挺享受这种感觉。

But I think there's also sometimes a sense of knowing it and kinda liking it.

你知道的，那种喜欢一直戳人、直到对方做出反应的人。

You know, that it's the finger prodder, you know, who's gonna poke until the person reacts somehow.

我认为人们确实可以这样做。

And I think that people can can can do that.

是的。

Yeah.

这就像一个煽动者，或者那种会故意惹事、挑起争端的人，比如通过戳人、激怒别人来制造麻烦。

And that can be like the the rabble rouser or or somebody that starts, you know, kicks up dust or, starts problems by needling or like poking people for example.

克里斯·洛克。

Chris Rock.

是的。

Yeah.

我知道你想说的是这个。

I know you were going there.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

有一个很好的例子。

There's a good one.

关于他的出生数据，有一点值得怀疑。

There's a little questionable thing about his birth data.

但如果我们目前掌握的数据是正确的，那么他上升星座是白羊座，火星位于处女座，这非常有趣，因为这再次说明了——尤其是上升星座，火星所在星座的位置会显著影响上升星座的表现。当白羊座上升时，火星是其守护行星。

But if the current one that we have is correct, he's an Aries rising with Mars in Virgo, which is really interesting because that's another example of how Especially with the rising sign, think especially, the placement of Mars in whatever sign it's located in will really modify the expression of the rising signs since when Aries is rising, Mars is the ruling planet.

因此，你会看到白羊座与火星能量，或者白羊座与处女座能量（通过火星体现）的融合。

And so you get more of a blend between the Aries and the Martian energy or Aries and Virgo energy as expressed by Mars.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以那些在一时冲动下做出的决定。

So things set in the heat of the moment.

我们已经谈过年轻人的事了，这有时会引出其他东西，比如我提出的‘天生狂野’这个说法，或者《坏到骨子里》这首歌。

We talked about the young thing already and that can sometimes lead to other things like born to be wild was a phrase that I came up with or bad to the bone that song.

白羊座有时会显得有点粗鲁，有时会把自己视为粗鲁的人，或者表现出这种形象。

The notion of Aries can sometimes being a little bit gruff and sometimes like having that conception of themselves as gruff or putting

马龙·白兰度。

Marlon Brando.

你知道的，就像你所知的，他早期的电影里，他就是那个硬汉。

You know, as you know, in his earlier movies, I mean, he was he was the tough guy.

对。

Right.

硬汉。

The tough guy.

这是个很好的例子。

That's a good one.

我认为马龙·白兰度是白羊座的新月。

And Marlon Brando, I think, is an Aries new moon.

而且，是的，还有一种感觉，就是其他一些军人也是如此。

And, yeah, there's a sense of of of other military people too, you know.

我们不应忽视米歇尔·戈卡尔兰最令人信服的观点之一：那些在军事和体育领域表现出色的人，往往拥有火星——白羊座的主宰行星——位于星盘中靠近某个 cardinal point 的宫位。

We shouldn't gloss over the fact that the perhaps most convincing of Michel Goccalan's work was the idea that people who excelled in the military, and in sports tended to have Aries ruling planet Mars, in a sector of the chart in a house that was close to, one of the cardinal points.

我们有像科林·鲍威尔这样的军人，他可能从未参与过拳打脚踢，但作为军事领袖，他以一种典型的白羊座方式运用了对冲突的处理能力。

And we have, you know, soldiers like like Colin Powell, you know, who may not have spent time in fist fights, but as a military leader used his Aries sense of working with conflict in a way that would be would be typically Arian.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这说得非常好。

I think that's really good.

很高兴你提到体育，因为我认为体育和运动精神是白羊座核心关键词中非常重要的部分，因为白羊座非常富有动感，强调竞争，同时也关乎运动、体能和身体的具身化，但以一种行动的方式体现出来。

I'm glad you brought up the sports thing because I think sports and sporty are very important in core like Aries keywords because you get some of that Aries is very kinetic and is very about like competition, but also sport and athleticism and being sort of embodied in the body, but but doing it in a way of of acting.

如果你能做某件事，通过行动或释放出一股能量，这非常契合这种原型，而且是以一种具有竞争性的方式进行。

And if you you can do something where you're acting or you're you're exerting and sort of explosion of energy that very much fits in with that sort of archetype and and doing it in a way that's competitive.

是的

Yeah.

我见过几个例子，沙奎尔·奥尼尔似乎展现出水星、金星和白羊座上升的特质，他刻意表现得粗犷，但由于金星也在，他内心其实比外表看起来要温柔得多，但他能利用自己的体型和身体优势来施压、操控局面。

I've seen a a couple of instances where Shaq O'Neal kind of exuded that he he had Mercury, Venus, and Aries rising where he kind of went out of his way to be gruff and and and yet because Venus was there also, there's a part of him that is very that underneath that is is a lot sweeter than than he can appear, but he can use that size and and and physical prowess prowess to kind of, you know, to to bully a situation, to push it around.

嗯

Mhmm.

对

Right.

让我想想。

Let's see.

我觉得‘叛逆’有时可以作为白羊座的关键词，甚至‘不敬’也是。

Other things, I think defiant can sometimes be an Aries keyword or even irreverent.

不敬可能与这一点有些关联，某种程度上体现了叛逆——比如不怕伤害别人的感受，但也包括以更积极或建设性的方式反抗某些东西，比如反抗压迫性的权威人物之类的。

Irreverence possibly one that can be tied in with that a little bit in the rebelliousness to some extent or not being afraid to like, as we said earlier, like hurt somebody's feelings, but also to break away from something in a more positive or constructive expression that needs to be defied, like defying an oppressive authority figure or something like that.

切·格瓦拉，你知道的，那位革命者。

Che Guevara, you know, the revolutionary.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得有一种为了战斗本身而争夺权力的欲望。

I think that there's a sense of of of wanting to take on power part for the sport of fighting.

你知道，那种投入其中的感觉，火星的能量浮现出来，我认为这对白羊座来说很重要，是的。

You know, there's that sense of of of being engaged where that Mars y energy comes to the surface that I think becomes important for Aries that Yeah.

我认为这行得通。

That is I think that works.

我觉得这是很重要的事情。

I think that's an important thing.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，也许他们需要某种东西来战斗，无论哪种方式，都需要一种表达这种能量和战斗冲动的方式，如果他们能找到一个目标、一个正当的理由或建设性的目标，这种冲动有时可以被建设性地表达；但如果只是无谓地战斗，或不断与人制造冲突，甚至像你之前说的那样欺凌别人，它也可能被破坏性地表达。

So maybe in needing something to fight one way or another, needing a way to express that energy and that impulse to fight something and that that can be sometimes constructively expressed if they're able to find a cause or a good cause or constructive cause or sometimes can be destructively expressed if they're just fighting needlessly or constantly starting conflicts with people or even you know, bullying somebody as you said earlier.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，那种散发着火星式白羊座能量的人。

You know, someone who kind of exudes that Mars y Aries energy.

我不认为她是太阳白羊座，但我认为她就是安吉丽娜·朱莉，虽然以美貌著称，但也以扮演强势女性主角而闻名。

I don't think she's a Sun sign Aries, but I think her Angelina Jolie who although may be a character who is known for her physical beauty, is also known for her leading roles as as a powerhouse of of of a woman.

你可别惹这个人。

You you don't wanna mess with this person.

是的。

Yeah.

作为动作明星。

As an action action star.

作为动作明星。

As an action star.

所以，虽然她的星盘显示，她是双子座，水星也在双子座，因此她的语言表达能力确实非常出色。

And so although she the charts up I see is that although she's a Gemini, with her Mercury in Gemini, so her use of words is certainly, well developed.

她的月亮、火星、木星都聚集在附近，木星还紧邻她的中天，全部位于白羊座，而这颗位于白羊座的火星简直就是一个能量炸弹。

Her Moon, Mars, Jupiter are all around and Jupiter closely conjunct her Midheaven all in Aries, and that Mars in Aries is like a powerhouse.

这可不是一个你会想与之对抗的女性。

This is not a woman that you'd, you know, wanna be engaged in a battle with.

是的。

Yeah.

拍动作片，被人看作是个狠角色，真的很狠。

And doing action movies and being seen as kind of like a badass which is a badass.

狠角色。

Badass.

是的。

Yeah.

白羊座的典型特征。

Aries type signification.

有趣的是，她第十宫的那些星体位置，她早期的一个角色就是出演《古墓丽影》电影中的劳拉·克罗夫特。

And interestingly, those tenth house placements, one of her early roles that she did was when she played Laura Croft in the Tomb Raider movie.

对。

Yes.

我认为我之前用她作为第十宫例子的一部分故事是，她曾去过一个战乱国家，那是她第一次接触到战乱国家的经历，之后她将自己职业生涯中除电影角色之外的大量工作和精力投入到帮助那些来自战乱国家、处境艰难的人们，并从事人道主义援助工作。

And I think part of her story that I've used her as a tenth house example before is she went to This was one of her first experiences having exposure to another country that was war torn and she ended up then devoting a lot of her work and efforts in her career outside of her movie roles to trying to help people especially from war torn countries who were struggling with that and to do humanitarian aid efforts.

这让我不断感到震撼和惊讶，因为有时当一个人的星盘中有困难的配置时，反而会促使他们去帮助那些正经历类似困境的人。

And that's something that I'm constantly impressed and surprised by that sometimes when people have difficult placements in their chart, it can manifest as them trying to help out people that are in difficult positions that are described by those placements.

是的。

Yeah.

而且她也有巨蟹座的特质，这让她比人们想象中更具关怀之心。

Well, and she also has some Cancerian, you know, also that kind of gives her that sense of caring more than people think she might.

人们感受到的主要是白羊座，甚至可能还有双子座的特质，但巨蟹座的能量确实存在，并展现出她是一个充满关爱与温情的人。

What comes across, you know, is the is the Aries and maybe even the Gemini, but that Cancer is really there and and shows up as someone who is is a caring and loving person.

对。

Right.

当然。

For sure.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

所以回到之前的话题，你知道，有些事情是关于竞争的，从不退缩于挑战，这确实是一种特质。

So going back to You know, there's some competitive things, never backing down from a challenge is something.

我有时候想到白羊座，就会想到《回到未来》系列里的马蒂·麦克弗莱。

I think of Aries sometimes, think of Marty McFly in the Back to the Future series.

在系列中，你知道，他试图回避冲突，明明知道不该退缩，但当别人叫他胆小鬼时，他就无法再退让，必须接受挑战去参赛，因为这关系到他的自尊——没人能挑战他，他绝不会在这种事上退缩。

Whenever in the series, you know, he's like trying to back out of a conflict and he knows he shouldn't, but then when somebody calls him chicken, he can't back down from that challenge and he has to take them up and do the race at that point because it's connected with his ego in some sense of nobody's gonna challenge him and he's not gonna walk away from a challenge in that way.

是的。

Right.

是的。

Right.

是的。

Right.

是的。

Right.

没错。

True.

是的。

Yeah.

那种不愿被看作软弱的想法，我认为这才是问题的核心。

That that whole idea of of not wanting to be seen as as weak, I think is really what the issue is.

而这种害怕被看作软弱的心理，会导致过度补偿。

And that fear of of of being seen as weak then leads to the overcompensation.

汤姆·佩蒂就是一个很好的例子。

Tom Petty is a good example of that.

尽管他是个天秤座，而且有大量行星落在天秤座，但他上升星座是白羊座。

Although he is a is was a Libra with a pile of planets in Libra, he had Aries rising.

他那首著名的歌《我不会后退》——你可以带我走向地狱之门，但我绝不会后退。

And his famous song, I won't back You can lead me to the gates of hell, but I won't back down.

这简直就是白羊座的直白写照。

That is such an Aries in your face.

有趣的是，作为天秤座，他本质上是个温和、友善的人。

And interestingly enough, as as Libra and and and kind of, Stewart, I'm looking for, nice a person as he was.

他有一种再次回归的硬汉形象，你知道的，皮夹克和那种外表上的强硬感。

He had this kind of again, we're back to the badass image, you know, the leather jacket and the kind of the the the toughness of appearance.

我想那首歌出自的专辑名字是《Damn the Torpedoes》。

And that I you know, the the album title that I think that that song was from was Damn the Torpedoes.

你知道吗？

You know?

就是那种‘我绝不退让’的态度。

It's like, I won't back down.

据说，他在接受律师质询时写了这首歌，那些律师涉及的是他作品的归属权问题。

And the story is that he allegedly wrote that song while being deposed by attorneys that had to do with who owned his material.

当时他们在洛杉矶，是一群高级娱乐律师在对他进行质询，而他坐在那里，穿着一件厚重的皮夹克，手里拿着一把大刀，一边清理指甲，一边毫不退让。

And they were, you know, in in LA, they were high level entertainment attorneys deposing him, and he's sitting there in the deposition with this rather large knife in a black leather jacket cleaning his nails with this knife, you know, basically not giving an inch.

所以，那种白羊座的‘刀枪不入’的外表，其实可能只是他内心真实感受的伪装。

So there's that Aries kind of like, you know, tougher than nails appearance when when when he really maybe felt differently on the inside.

你提到了刀，这很好，刀一直象征着火星

And you mentioned a knife, that's a good that's always been a Mars

哦，锋利的边缘。

Oh, sharp edges.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

还有锋利，这有多种含义，比如剑也是典型的火星象征。

And and sharpness, which then has many different meanings or a sword is another good Mars type thing.

对。

Yeah.

再回到竞争性，想要获胜、想要成为第一，这可能不仅是竞争性的延伸，更是白羊座作为第一个星座、以及“第一”这一概念在原型中反复出现的体现。

And then going back, competitiveness, wanting to be a winner, wanting to be number one as again probably an extension not just of the competitiveness, the notion of Aries being the first sign and the notion of being number one reoccurring in many different ways through the archetype.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

正如你刚才所说，刀子或子弹这种东西，让人感受到火星与白羊座之间的关联在于穿透性。

There's you know, as you were talking about, I mean, the whole idea of the knife and or a bullet, there's a sense of Mars relating to Aries as penetrating.

甚至在性行为中，这种行为可以与火星的主张或攻击性相关联，它体现了一种穿透的工具，而这个工具实际上可能是思想。

And even in the in the sexual act, which is can be associated with the Martian assertion or aggression, there's this sense of of of a tool that penetrates, which actually can be the mind.

我认为有时人们会忘记，白羊座不仅仅是一个身体上的战士，白羊座也可以是一个真正的智力战士，一个为自己的理念而战的人，无论这些理念是什么。

And I think sometimes people forget that Aries isn't just it isn't just a physical warrior, that the Aries can be an actual intellectual warrior, someone who who fights for their ideas, whatever they may be.

我想到了蕾切尔·马多，她的太阳落在白羊座，我想——如果我没记错的话，她的中天也落在白羊座。

I think of Rachel Maddow, for example, who is a sun in Aries, and I think I think I think that's even on her midheaven if I if I'm not mistaken.

她用智慧为自己的信念而战，这一点很突出，但我无法想象她会卷入任何身体上的争斗。

And and the fact that that she uses her intelligence to actually fight for her convictions, but I can't imagine her in a physical, you know, fracas.

这完全不符合她的个性。

It just doesn't it it doesn't fit who she is.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a good point.

所以有时候这种能量会以智力的方式表现出来，其他时候则表现为白羊座的能量。

So sometimes it being coming out intellectually, other times it's like the Aries energy.

如果它落在第七宫，可能会在关系中体现出来，或者如果金星在那里之类的。

If it was in the seventh house, it could come out in relationships or if if like Venus was there or something like that.

有时候，你可能会被这种能量吸引，这种能量也会通过你吸引的人或你倾向于亲近的人类型表现出来。

Sometimes you can be attracted to that energy in your life and that energy can show up in other people in terms of who you attract or the type of people that you gravitate towards.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以也许就是那种人，比如你对那个穿皮夹克、叛逆、神秘、看起来有点粗犷的人感兴趣。

So maybe it's like the people, the person that's like, you know, interested in the the guy with the leather jacket or the rebellious person who who's mysterious that looks rough around the edges or something like that.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得那是对的。

I think that's Oh, I think that's true.

我刚想到另一件事，我们之前甚至没提到过，但这也绝对是白羊座的特质。

One other thing that just popped into my mind which I don't think we've even touched on, which is also absolutely an Aries, trait.

我们谈到了冒险精神，以及进取或开拓的概念，但没用过‘赌博’这个词。

We talked about the risk taking in the concept of enterprising or pioneering, but we didn't use the word gambling.

你知道，赌博其实就是一种冒险行为。

And, you know, mean, gambling is really just a form of risk taking.

我认识一位商界非常知名的人士，他是白羊座，土星和火星在巨蟹座呈合相。

And I knew this gentleman, a very well known person in the business world who was who is an Aries with a Saturn Mars conjunction in in Cancer.

我想他大概是1946年左右出生的。

I think nineteen forty six ish or somewhere in there.

他创办过几家公司，但都扩张太快，最终破产倒闭，直到他最终找到了自己的做事方式，建立了一家在医疗食品领域的百万美元公司——这类产品不是普通的膳食补充剂，而是具有医疗性质的食品。

And and he had several companies that he started, grew too fast, bankrupted, and fell apart until he basically figured out his way of approaching things and built a company that became a multimillion dollar company in the area of medical foods, of kind of products that were not like dietary supplements, but that were food that were still basically medically oriented.

我提起他是因为，有一次我们正一起去拉斯维加斯参加一个会议。

And the reason I'm bringing him up was is that he and I were once on our way to Vegas for a conference that we were attending.

于是我问他：‘那你平时会赌博吗？’

And I said, so so do you gamble?

他看着我，说：‘当然，但在拉斯维加斯我从不拿钱赌博。’

And he looked at me, he goes, oh, absolutely, but not not with money in Vegas.

我赌的是现实生活中的情况。

I gamble with real life situations.

他说这话太像白羊座了，因为纵观他的一生，这确实就是他的做事方式。

And he's and it was such an Aries thing to say because as you look at his life, that's really what he did.

还有像佩特·罗斯这样的真赌徒，你知道的，尽管他是一名伟大的球员，却因赌博被定罪而失去了入选棒球名人堂的资格。

And then you have real gamblers like people like Pete Rose, you know, who lost their place in being in the baseball hall of fame regardless of what a great player he was because he was found guilty of gambling.

白羊座。

Aries.

白羊座上升。

Aries ascendant.

我很高兴你提到这一点，因为冒险者同时也是玩命者。

I love that you brought that up because So the risk taker but also the daredevil.

玩命者。

The daredevil.

就是那种跟埃维尔·克尼维尔一样的人。

The Evel Knievel type person.

我都不清楚他的星盘情况。

I don't even know his chart.

我刚就要提到他

I think that's who I'm about to bring

我正要接着说的就是他，因为我们手头确实有他的时间星盘，而且他是我最喜欢的上升星座守护星案例之一：埃维尔·克尼维尔是水瓶座上升，作为上升星座传统守护星的土星落在白羊座，落入掌管短途旅行的第三宫。

that's who I'm about to bring up because we actually do have a time chart and he's one of my favorite ruler of the Ascendant examples because Evel Knievel had Aquarius rising with Saturn as the traditional ruler of the Ascendant in Aries in the third house of short distance travel.

当然了，他那项成名的特技简直是玩命：他会骑着摩托车冲上坡道，飞跃峡谷或是一堆汽车之类的障碍。

And of course, he famously would do these death defying stunts where he would drive a motorcycle off a ramp and jump over a chasm or a bunch of cars or things like that.

他一直都是——至少在二十世纪末，他就是人们心中敢玩命的标杆式人物，只要一提到为了完成特技之类的事赌上性命，大家首先就会想到他。

He was constantly He's the archetypal at least in late twentieth century daredevil figure that people think about when they think of that idea of like risking your life to do a stunt or something like that.

对。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

我们来看看。

And let's see.

你有他的星盘吗？

You you you have his chart up, do you?

是的。

Yeah.

就在这里。

So it's right here.

是水瓶座上升，土星位于白羊座13度。

It's Aquarius rising with Saturn at 13 Aries.

对。

Yeah.

土星在白羊座。

Saturn in Aries.

位于第三整宫宫位。

In the third whole sign house notes.

有趣的是，我用这个的另一个原因是，代表第三宫的火星位于第八宫的处女座，而他当时一直在做各种玩命的特技，不断挑战死亡。

What's funny and the other reason I use it is that Mars, the ruler of the third house is in Virgo in the eighth house of death and he was doing like death defying stunts and defying death constantly.

这有点像火星与海王星的组合，有种‘死亡并不真实’的感觉。

Which is kind of a Mars Neptune thing of like this death isn't real kind of a thing.

还有，土星在白羊座，抱歉，克里斯。

And also the Saturn in Aries I'm sorry, Chris.

你请说。

Go ahead.

对不起。

I'm sorry.

我刚才白羊座发作了一下。

I had an Aries moment.

我打断你了。

I was interrupting you.

没有。

No.

不。

No.

我只是接着你刚才说的，也许那种 illusion——即火星与海王星合相带来的死亡特技的幻觉——有时这种幻觉比实际风险还要大，或者类似的情况。

I was just tacking onto what you said maybe like the illusion of it being something a death defying stunt with Mars there conjunct Neptune that maybe the illusion sometimes was like more than the actual risk or something like that.

是的。

Yeah.

但甚至火星在第三宫，你知道，这可以说是骑摩托车高速加速后飞向空中的行为，而双子座第三宫则是一次非常短途的旅行。

But even the Aries in the third house which, you know, is arguably arguably a motorcycle ride accelerating to a high speed and flying off into the air is a Gemini third house short trip, very short trip.

但土星在那里时，界限在哪里呢？

But with Saturn there, it's like, what's the boundary?

我能再把这界限推得更远一点吗？

Can I push this boundary a little further?

你知道的？

You know?

我认为土星在白羊座时有时就是这样，因为他们找到了界限，然后就想往里靠。

And Saturn in Aries I think sometimes does that because they find that boundary and then they wanna lean into it.

他们想再往前推一点。

They wanna push it a little bit further.

是的。

Yeah.

对于那些不太了解他是谁的年轻朋友，我来念一下维基百科上的内容：他是一位美国特技演员和艺人。

And for those for those of our our younger people who don't really know who this is, just reading from the Wikipedia, it says he was an American stunt performer and entertainer.

在他职业生涯中，他尝试了超过75次从坡道到坡道的摩托车跳跃。

Over the course of his career, he attempted more than 75 ramp to ramp motorcycle jumps.

他于1989年入选摩托车名人堂，并于2007年去世。

He was inducted into the Motorcycle Hall of Fame in 1989 and died in 2007.

对。

Yeah.

他做过一些疯狂的事情，比如那些只有傻瓜才会去干的事——我不确定他是否真的跳过峡谷，但据说他曾试图骑摩托车飞跃大峡谷，这种事只有疯子才做得出来。

He did some crazy shit like like like things that were like And I'm not sure he did this, but like taking a motorcycle jump across the Grand Canyon, things that that only stupid people would do.

令人惊讶的是，他竟然没有在这些冒险中丧生。

And the amazing thing is that he didn't die from any of those things.

他死于肺癌之类的疾病。

He died from I think lung cancer or something.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这很好地体现了冒险者、特技狂人的特点。

So that's a great example just of the the risk taker, the daredevil.

这是一种赌博形式。

Which is a form of gambling.

这是拿自己的身体进行赌博。

It's a form of gambling with one's own body.

你知道的，

It's, you know

好。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

所以它也可以表现为大胆、果敢、机智或无畏，有时是自发的，比如自发性有时是白羊座的特点。

So it can also be audacious, bold, plucky or intrepid or other keywords, sometimes spontaneous, like spontaneity can sometimes be an Aries thing.

而自发性 simply 就是活在当下的理念。

Well, and spontaneity is simply the idea of be here now.

自发性在佛教中有一个概念，与觉悟有关，我们通常认为，哦，这是一种美好的状态，在某些形式的金刚乘佛教中是这样。

Spontaneity is there's there's a concept in in Buddhism that has to do with enlightenment, which we kind of think of as, oh, this wonderful state in in some forms of Vajrayana Buddhism.

觉悟就像一种勇猛的战士状态，因为活在当下，没有对过去的记忆，也没有对未来的期待，这其实非常危险。

Enlightenment is like a fierce warrior state because being in the present moment where there's no memory of anything in the past and no anticipation of anything in the future, that's really dangerous.

你知道吗？

You know?

他们称之为刀锋上行走，你知道，某种程度上，拉姆·达斯就是这样一位白羊座的人，他写过关于力量的书，或者说写过《活在当下》，这本书成为了六十年代整个嬉皮士运动的关键词，也就是‘活在当下’。

It's it's they call it riding the razor's edge, you know, and and in a way that sense of not only Ram Dass who was an Aries and and and wrote about the power or wrote about, you know, be here now was was a book that he wrote, which became, you know, kinda keywords of the nineteen sixties of, you know, the whole, you know, hippie revolution, be here now.

但后来，像埃克哈特·托利这样的人写了《当下的力量》这本书。

But then later on, someone like Eckhart Tolle who wrote a book called The Power of Now.

再说一遍，我们谈论的是自发性，而白羊座的一个关键词就是专注。

And again, we're talking about spontaneity happens when the focus and again, a keyword for Aries is focus.

这和‘意图’这个词略有不同，‘意图’是狮子座的词，因为意图是一种持续保持、固守立场的专注，固定星座狮子座会牢牢抓住这种专注。

It's slightly different than the word intention, which is a Leo word because intention is focus that carries through, that holds its position, that fixed sign Leo holds onto that focus.

白羊座关注的是当下此刻的专注，这种专注是自发的。

Aries is about focusing right now, zod, which is spontaneous.

它就在当下。

It's in the moment.

这种即时性？

The the immediacy?

当下的即时性？

Immediacy of the moment?

当下的紧迫感。

The urgency of the moment.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯嗯。

Mhmm.

而且这种感觉并不是一个温和的状态，因为当你无法预知下一刻会发生什么时，情况会非常危险。

And that sense of of of of that not being a gentle place because it's very dangerous when you don't have any anticipation of what's gonna happen in the next moment.

它鼓励冒险。

It it encourages risk taking.

对。

Right.

我非常喜欢这一点。

I love that.

好的。

Okay.

有时候，我曾经对这一点感到困惑，比如作为趋势引领者，成为第一个做某事的人，或者在当下立即采取行动、承担风险？

Sometimes that can be One of the ones I had a question mark around was like a trendsetter in terms of being the initial person to do something or being first to do something and taking that risk in the initial moment in the present?

是的。

Yeah.

我是第一个占星师。

I I was the first astrologer.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Right.

这又回到了白羊座与当下之间的联系。

That gets back to the Aries connection with now.

你知道，白羊座的人总是他们街区里第一个拥有呼啦圈、悠悠球、滑板，或者任何新兴潮流或时尚的人。

You know, it's the the Aries person is the first person on their block to have a hula hoop, a yo yo, you know, a skateboard, whatever the current trend or fashion is that's coming in.

白羊座有一种像天线一样的直觉，能够感知当下的时代精神。

Aries has this like like antenna that goes up and can read the zeitgeist of the moment.

我还要再回到‘直觉’这个词。

Again, I'm gonna come back to that intuit intuition word.

他们并不会去深思它。

They don't think about it.

他们只是直觉地觉得，这很令人兴奋。

They just intuitively go, this is exciting.

这是新的。

This is new.

这是当下。

This is now.

我认为‘新’是另一个与白羊座相关的关键词，我们之前可能没怎么提到。

And I think new is another keyword for Aries that we didn't necessarily touch on.

你知道，新年、新造型、任何新的东西，都带有那种白羊座的特质。

You know, the new year, the new look, the new anything that is new has that that Arian sense.

所以，没错，潮流在长远来看可能并不重要。

And and so, yeah, definitely trends are things that in the long run may be unimportant.

Lady Gaga，完美。

Lady Gaga, perfect.

很好的例子。

Good example.

是的。

Yeah.

我刚刚在想Lady Gaga的星盘，她的太阳落在白羊座，而且太阳正好在中天，金星也在白羊座，位于第十宫。

I was I was just thinking of Lady Gaga's chart because she's a Sun in Aries with a Sun right on the Midheaven and also Venus in Aries in the tenth house.

尤其是早期，她成名的方式是通过她的时尚——那些非常前卫、新颖甚至有些先锋的穿搭，比如在时尚活动上穿着肉色紧身衣之类的东西，通过率先尝试新事物来突破界限。

And especially early on, the way that she made a name for herself was with her fashion, her really progressive or new or sometimes avant garde like fashion stuff like wearing like a meat suit or stuff like that to a fashion event and really pushing the boundaries of things by being like the first to do something.

再看她金星在白羊座对天王星的相位，这个人不仅反映当代潮流，甚至可能创造潮流，略微领先于趋势，让天王星将一切推向未来。

And look at that Venus in Aries trying Uranus, the the person who is not only not only reflecting the modern trend, but maybe even creating it, being slightly ahead of the curve with the Uranus pulling it into the future.

然而，土星与中天和太阳形成三合相，这让她在做这些事时并不显得轻浮。

And yet the Saturn trining the midheaven and Sun, it's somehow she does it and she's not flaky.

我的意思是，如果别人这么做，你可能会直接把他们当成疯子，觉得他们在搞些怪异的把戏。

I mean, there's something about her that if someone else did it, you just write them off as a, you know, crazy person who's doing weird shit.

但当她这么做时，却显得更加真实和稳固，因为她背后有土星的实质支撑，让这一切变得真实可信。

And yet when she does it, somehow it's a lot more real and stable because she has the the stuff, the Saturnian substance behind it to to to make it real.

是的。

Yeah.

你提出的这个区别很有意思，即白羊座是第一个做某事的人，而天王星则代表某种怪异或离经叛道的东西，这两者之间虽然有重叠，但实际上是不同的概念或原型。

That's a funny distinction that you're bringing up of like Aries and being the first to do something versus Uranus being just kind of weird or that which is eccentric in some way and that there can be like overlap between those, but there's there's there's somewhat separate sort of ideas or archetypes.

是的。

Yeah.

对，它们确实不同。

Yeah, they are.

它们配合得很好，但并不是一回事。

They work well together, but they're not the same thing.

没错。

Right.

你知道，这也解释了为什么白羊座和水瓶座在星座上是六分相。

You know, and it's kind of why Aries, you know, and and Aquarius are are sextile by sign.

从现代的角度来看，天王星与水瓶座相关联，这种联系似乎很自然。

There's something about that that seems to take in the modern sense Uranus related to Aquarius.

传统上并非如此，但它们确实有一种协同作用，同时又存在差异。

Know in a traditional sense not, but there's that sense of them working together, but there is a difference.

它们不是同一件事。

They're not the same thing.

它们不是同一件事。

They're not the same thing.

对。

Right.

让我们看看。

Let's see.

另外一些被写下来的含义包括可能的不满者或吹牛者。

A couple other significations that were written down were like malcontent or braggart possibly sometimes.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得我们之前稍微提到过，吹牛者就像一个霸凌者。

I think we touched on that a little A braggart Well, a braggart's like a bully.

这是一种智力上的霸凌。

It's it's it's an intellectual bully.

你知道，这是一种人，他们说‘我比你强’、‘我比你厉害’，那种能量会回流到自我身上，有点自恋、自恋的倾向。

You know, it's it's someone who who is saying I'm better than, I'm bigger than there there's that energy that comes back to self that kind of is narcissistic narcissistic.

并不是所有火象星座或所有白羊座都是自恋者，但确实有一种感觉，就是让我的现实

Not that all fire signs or all Aries are narcissists, but there's there's that sense of making my reality

比你的现实更重要。

more important than your reality.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，‘吹牛者’在谷歌上的定义是：一个吹嘘自己成就或财产的人。

So Braggart, the definition on Google, says a person who boasts about achievements or possessions.

所以也许其中一个，怎么说呢？

So maybe the one What's the expression?

就像‘得胜后炫耀的人’？

Like a sore winner?

就是那种赢了之后还到处炫耀的人。

Like the person that wins, but then rubs