占星世代：千禧一代的土星星座

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我有很多奇怪的童年记忆，比如父母谈论艾滋病危机，我记得自己看到过报纸。

I have so many weird early memories about, like, my parents talking about the AIDS crisis and just remembering just remembering, like, seeing newspapers.

是的。

Yeah.

奇怪的童年记忆，但它们一直留在我的记忆里。

Weird early memories, but it stuck with me.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这是那一代人早期非常重要且具有决定性的经历，或者说，这贯穿了千禧一代的整个历程，与冥王星和天蝎座密切相关。

So that's an important and defining sort of early first part of that generation or I guess that really goes through a large part of the millennial generation in its entirety in terms of Pluto and Scorpio.

还有其他主要主题吗？

Are there any other major themes?

关于土星在天蝎座的第一代子群体，我们还应该讨论哪些其他主要主题？

What are some other major themes about the first sub generation of Saturn in Scorpio that we should talk about?

是的。

Yeah.

当我写到土星在天蝎座时——你知道，是在冥王星在天蝎座的这一代中——我将其归类为一个将失去与悲痛推向新高度的子群体。

So when I wrote about Saturn in Scorpio as as you know, in the Pluto in Scorpio generation, I kind of categorized it as this subgeneration that took loss and grief to another level.

我只是觉得它是一种，是的。

I I I just kind of think of it as this yeah.

这个子群体很奇怪，和你交谈是因为你本身就是其中一员。

The sub generation it's weird talking to you because you you're a part of it.

但这个子群体并非

But the sub generation not

只是听一听，然后抽象地谈论它。

hear and just talk about it abstractly.

但这一代人确实把学习如何在这些极其艰难的情感和心理状态下处理悲伤与失落视为自己的责任。

But, yeah, this this sub generation that I think kind of took it made it their responsibility to learn how to process grief and loss in these, like, really difficult emotional, psychological states.

我 personally 观察到，他们在土星回归期以及更早的时候，就展现了这种特质。

And I like the way that I've kind of witnessed it personally is at at their Saturn returns and, you know, past too.

似乎他们确实有一种责任，去帮助他人，分享自己是如何走过这些艰难时刻的，并以一种可能对他人有所帮助的方式。

And it just seems like there is, yeah, this responsibility to, like, help people and, like, share how they've moved through really difficult things and sort of in this way that can potentially help other people.

因此，我把这一代人看作是当今所谓自我关怀、甚至自我帮助运动的先驱，如果你愿意这么说的话。

And so I kind of look at that sub generation as sort of like the the fore parents of the the present day, like, self care, self even self help, but more like self care movement, if you will.

当然，他们并不是这些术语的发明者。

Obviously, they weren't, like, the ones who invented those terms or anything.

但我觉得，他们真正认真地去探索如何以一种非破坏性的方式去经历和处理这些情绪。

But, yeah, I see them as sort of the ones who really, like, really took it seriously to to figure out how to, like, move through and process in a way that wasn't toxic.

我总觉得，很多人在年轻时并没有得到支持他们度过这些过程的结构或体系。

I kind of I kind of get a sense that a lot of those folks didn't have the they didn't have the structures in place to that that supported them through those processes, at least when they were, you know, younger.

我认为他们把这当成一件非常严肃的事情，必须去解决，因为他们不想像自己的父母那样。

And I think that they really took that on as, like, you know, something really serious that they had to to figure out because they didn't wanna like, no one really wants to end up like their parents, I guess.

我就觉得，他们确实非常认真地对待这件事，放下了许多更具毒性甚至自我虐待的照顾方式。

And I I kind of just take that as, like, yeah, they really they really took it seriously, like, kind of letting go of a lot of more toxic or even, like, abusive even, like, if it's abusive to the self, sort of ways of taking care or yeah.

他们认真对待如何处理极其困难的事情，而不是简单地压抑它，比如避免典型的天蝎座做法——压抑和紧抓不放，深埋心底。相反，这个子代群体认真看待了处理和释放这些情绪的必要性，而不是把它们一直憋在心里。

Ways of, like, processing really difficult stuff instead of just, like, burying it and, you know, maybe doing the stereotypical Scorpio thing of, like, retention and holding on to it and just kind of burying it deep down, it seems like the sub generation took seriously, like, the need for processing and and, yeah, moving through those things and not just, like, holding them inside of themselves.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

这很有道理。

That makes a lot of sense.

所以土星或天蝎座作为水象星座，这是其重要特质之一，再加上土星与冥王星合相的强烈能量，而水象星座有时更偏向内在或情感层面。

So Saturn being it's like a or Scorpio being like a water sign and that being one of the really important elements of that and having the intensity of a Saturn Pluto conjunction, but having it in a water sign which sometimes is more internal or or sometimes more emotional in some some sense.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得，这种能量在某种程度上被弱化了。

It's like muted in a way, I think.

就像水下爆炸一样。

Like, yeah, like an explosion underwater sort of thing.

它是非常内化的。

Like, it's very internalized.

我记得我最喜欢的一个，Saturn Lisa、Shyam 和我曾经写过一个叫《土星回归故事》的博客。

I remember one of my favorite, Saturn Lisa, Shyam and I used to write a blog called Saturn Return Stories.

我记得在2013年到2015年左右，当我经历自己的土星回归——土星与天蝎座交汇时，我观察了一些同代人，有时也关注那些和我同属土星天蝎座群体的名人，看他们是如何度过这一时期的。

And I remember sort of when I was going through my Saturn return between Saturn and Scorpio back in like 2013, 2015 watching some of my peers and sometimes watching celebrities that were in my sub generation like Saturn in Scorpio group and observing how they were going through it.

看到所有人同时经历这一阶段，总是特别有趣，即使他们的表达方式是内在的，有时也会呈现出群体性的、共同的特征。

And it was always really fascinating seeing everybody going through that simultaneously at the same time and seeing very similar even when there were internal expressions, like sometimes internal expressions that were collective or that were shared among groups of people.

但其中一个我最喜欢的例子是唐纳德·格洛弗，也就是说唱歌手Childish Gambino。

But one of them that was always my favorite was Donald Glover who is the rapper Childish Gambino.

因为我从很早以前就在YouTube上关注他，他最初是喜剧团体Derek Comedy的成员，我从他事业的最初阶段就开始关注了。

Because I had watched him on YouTube since originally he was in like a comedy troupe called Derek Comedy and I'd watched since the very early days.

所以我一直看着他从最初只做搞笑YouTube视频，逐渐成长为一位知名喜剧演员，登上主流电视台，最终成为电影演员和音乐人，一路走来。

So he was somebody I identified with seeing him go from just doing joke YouTube videos to being a major comedian, being in major networks and eventually major movies and becoming a musician and everything else.

但我记得有一段时间，他正在经历土星回归，于是从社交媒体上消失了，大家都开始猜测他出了什么事，是不是遇到麻烦了。

But I remember there was this period where he was going through his Saturn return and he disappeared from social media, and everybody started speculating about what was up with him and if he was in trouble or something.

结果发现，他只是在经历一段灵魂的黑暗时期，同时也在为这张专辑的发布做准备。

And it turned out that he was just going through a sort of like dark night of the soul period, but he was also preparing for the release of this album.

但后来他在土星回归期间，曾在自己的Instagram页面上发布了一系列笔记，我一直觉得这些笔记非常典型地体现了土星在天蝎座的特质，以及他当时所面临的真正困境。

But he ended up sharing this series of notes on his Instagram page at one point when he was in the middle of his Saturn return, which I always thought was really emblematic or descriptive of Saturn in Scorpio and some of the real things that he was struggling with at the time.

他写的这些手写笔记中，有一条写道：我害怕未来。

So some of these handwritten notes that he wrote, one of the notes said, I'm afraid of the future.

我害怕我的父母活不到看到我孩子的那一天。

I'm afraid my parents won't live long enough to see my kids.

我害怕我的节目会失败。

I'm afraid my show will fail.

我担心我的女朋友会在我们不想要的时候怀孕。

I'm scared my girl will get pregnant at not the exact time we want.

我害怕我永远无法实现自己的潜力。

I'm scared I'll never reach my potential.

我担心她还爱着那个家伙。

I'm afraid she's still in love with that dude.

我害怕自己永远无法摆脱他年轻时写过的一段有点争议的小品。

I'm scared I'll never grow up out of this skit that he wrote one time when he was younger that was kind of controversial.

我担心人们会以为我讨厌自己的种族。

I'm afraid people think I hate my race.

我害怕人们会认为我讨厌女性。

I'm afraid people will think I hate women.

他说：我讨厌别人，想说什么就说什么。

He says, I hate people, can say anything.

我讨厌在意别人怎么想。

I hate caring what people think.

我担心对你或我来说，有更适合的人。

I'm afraid there's someone better for you or me.

我觉得自己让所有人都失望了。

I feel like I'm letting everyone down.

他一直在滔滔不绝地说着这些极其强烈又私密的事情，但看到一个人在经历土星返相时如此坦诚分享，你能真切地看到他内心的过程实时展开，这真是太棒了。

And he keeps going on and on with all these different things that were just really intense and really personal, but it was amazing seeing somebody going through their Saturn return sort of shared that and you could kind of see his internal process happening in real time.

我害怕我会变成泰雷斯。

I'm scared I'll be Tyrese.

这还挺搞笑的。

That's kind of funny.

没错。

Right.

确实挺搞笑的。

It is funny.

但当时真正发生的事是，那是2013年，所以人们都在想，他会渐渐淡出吗？

But what was actually true, was a real thing at the time was like this is 2013, so it was like would he kind of fade away?

但讽刺的是，几个月后，他因为互联网发布了这张专辑。

But ironically then what happened is he released his album right after this a few months later because of the internet.

这张专辑让他更鲜明地成为了一位真正的音乐人，人们开始对他更认真对待。

And that was the album that kind of set him apart more as an actual musician where people started taking him a little bit more seriously.

从那以后，他的事业真的起飞了。

And after that point, his career really did take off.

但他必须先经历一段非常激烈的时期，期间充满了内心的质疑和许多土星的象征意义——恐惧。

But he had to go through this really intense period first where there was a lot of internal questioning and a lot of good Saturn signification, which is fear.

嗯。

Mhmm.

恐惧，是的。

Fear, Yeah.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

我某种程度上把这一代人看作是一群经历过极其沉重黑暗事物的人。

I kind of look at the sub generation as like this group of people who have just been through, like, some really, really heavy dark shit, basically.

他们能够深入到如此黑暗的境地，然后从中提炼出一些非常了不起的东西，在我看来，这真的很了不起。

And and how they have been able to, like, yeah, kind of go to this this really dark place and and sort of, like, yeah, get something out of that that's really remarkable in my opinion.

你知道，我太阳和冥王星在天蝎座合相，但你们这些人有南交点、冥王星和土星，你们的太阳也在那里。

Like, you know, I have I have the sun conjunct Pluto in in Scorpio, but I am still, you guys with the south node and Pluto and Saturn and you with the sun too.

我只是觉得，这显示出巨大的情感力量，你知道的，作为火星主宰的星座。

I'm just like, that to me just shows, like, a tremendous amount of emotional strength, you know, like, to being a Mars ruled sign.

是的。

Yeah.

我不知道。

I don't know.

带着一点柔和的语气，我总觉得好像有一种，嗯，我说不上来的感觉。

With a soft note there, I just kinda feel like there's there's almost this, like I don't know.

也许我对此想得太多了。

Maybe I'm maybe I'm in my head too much about it.

但对我来说，感觉好像有一种想法，就是，好吧。

But I to me, it feels like there's this idea of, like, okay.

我们以前来过这里。

We've been here before.

我们已经度过了它。

We've moved through it.

就像我们以前已经挺过这一关了。

Like, we've we've gotten through this before.

而我说的以前，可能指的是童年时期。

And by before, I mean, maybe that means early life.

也可能指的是前世。

Maybe that means past life.

但某种程度上，能够汲取这种情感力量的源泉。

But sort of just being able to draw on this, like, well of emotional strength.

这就是我如何看待这一代人的地方。

That's kind of how I I see that sub generation.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

这很有道理。

That makes a lot of sense.

所以你是天蝎座的冥王星，但你的土星亚世代是什么？

And so you're Pluto in Scorpio, but what's your Saturn sub generation?

我是水瓶座的土星。

I'm Saturn in Aquarius.

实际上，今年我已经经历了两次土星回归，这太不可思议了。

So actually, I had my I had two Saturn returns already this year, which is wild.

我的土星在水瓶座很早的位置，1949年1月1日。

Mine's pretty early in Aquarius at 01/01/1949.

所以我经历了停滞。

So I've the station.

是的。

Yeah.

你已经经历过第一次精确交合了吗？

You had the first exact hit already?

是的。

Yeah.

我经历了两次。

I had two.

一次在四月，一次在五月。

One in April and one in May.

我的第三次在明年一月。

My third one's in January.

好的。

Okay.

不错。

Nice.

能这么早就把它们都经历完挺好的，而且看起来对你来说进展得还算顺利。

Well, it's nice to sort of get it out of the way pretty early, and it seems like it's going relatively well for you.

是的。

It is.

土星在我的星盘中是最有尊严的行星，所以虽然这并不容易，但我感觉自己有点 Saturn 回归的特权。

Saturn's the most dignified planet in my chart, so, it's definitely it hasn't been easy, but I feel like I I have a little bit of Saturn return privilege.

当然。

Sure.

第十二宫，日盘，而且位于自己的星座。

Twelfth house, day chart, like, in its own sign.

它表现得相当不错。

It's doing pretty well.

是的。

Yeah.

这确实是一个真实存在的现象，而且这是一个有趣的话题，可能应该被更多人讨论：那些经历土星回归但过得相对顺利的人所拥有的特权。

That's a that's a real thing, and that's a funny thing that probably should be talked about more is Saturn return privilege of the people that go through their Saturn returns, and they do relatively well.

这就像一个专注于自我提升的时期，你会经历一些可以克服的困难，但你坚持下来，最终脱颖而出。

It's like a period of just applying yourself, and you go through some surmountable difficulties, but you push through and you come out on top.

而这种经历，有些人偶然拥有，有时会让他们反过来认为，或者对其他占星师说：‘只要这样就够了。’

And just that experience that some people have which, you know, accidentally then sometimes makes them turn around and think or or say to other astrologers, like, that's all it takes.

你只需要非常努力地工作，就会没事的。

You just gotta work really hard and you'll be fine.

但有些人如果土星的位置不太理想，那段时期可能会更艰难，或者生活会明确对某些你正在做的事情说‘不’，根本无法回避或协商，这可能会更困难一些。

But then there's like some people, if Saturn's a little bit more difficultly placed, like, it much it might be a much harder time or or it might be a period where life says, like, no to certain things that you're doing and there's no, like, getting around that or negotiating it, and that can be a little bit harder.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

没错。

Yeah.

每当有人问我关于我的土星回归时，我都得先说明一下。

I always whenever someone asks me about my Saturn return, I have to qualify.

我的土星位置其实挺幸运的。

Like, I I'm pretty blessed with my Saturn placement.

所以你知道，虽然那段时期真的很艰难，尤其是正好赶上隔离和疫情，但对我来说，就是觉得：好吧。

So, you know, while it was really difficult, especially, you know, with the coinciding with quarantine and the virus, I you know, for me, it was just like, okay.

现在我每天都必须冥想，否则我对世界发生的事情的焦虑和恐惧就会吞噬我的生活。

Now I I have to meditate every day or else my anxiety and my fear around what's happening in the world is gonna take over my life.

所以土星真的迫使我在我土星回归期间养成了每天冥想的习惯。

So Saturn really, like, forced me into this, like, daily meditation practice while my Saturn return was happening.

但你知道，恐惧和焦虑确实很糟糕，但也没那么严重，只是单纯的恐惧和焦虑而已。

But, you know, like, yeah, the fear and anxiety, it was, like, terrible, but it wasn't as bad as you know, it was just fear and anxiety.

并没有真正发生什么具体的事情。

It wasn't actually anything manifesting.

所以，这就是我今年土星回归的大致情况。

So, yeah, that's kind of, you know, part of what my Saturn return was like this year at least.

我喜欢的是，对你来说，这种必要性更多体现为一种内在的冥想过程，帮助你保持平衡并继续前行。

I like that it was more it became the necessity was more of like an internal meditative process for you in order to remain, like, centered and keep going.

土星在哪个宫位？

And what what house is Saturn in?

我一直在第十二宫。

I've been in the twelfth house.

是的

Yeah.

好的

Okay.

所以这是个相当不错的第十二宫，相当有建设性的第十二宫显化。

So that's pretty that's pretty good twelfth house, pretty constructive twelfth house manifestation.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

但也要注意到，在那段时间的头几个月里，火星也和土星同在。

But also, you know, worth it to note that Mars was co present with Saturn during, you know, the first couple months of that too.

没错。

So Right.

土星进入后，大概一两周后，火星也进来了。

Saturn entered and then, like, what, a week or two later, Mars Mars entered as well.

所以我的natal土星上出现了火星和土星的合相，我们很多1991年出生的人都有这种情况。

So I had that sort of conjunction of Mars and Saturn on my natal Saturn, and a lot of us nineteen ninety one kids had that.

而且，是的，那种恐惧确实非常真实且强烈，但我挺过来了，幸运的是，最后一次经过时那里将是木星而不是土星。

And, yeah, I mean, the fear that, like the fear was very real and really intense, but made it made it through and really lucky that the last the last pass is gonna have Jupiter there instead of Saturn.

所以我对这一点感到很兴奋。

So I'm I'm excited about that.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我是说，不是土星，是火星。

I meant instead of Mars.

我搞错了。

My bad.

是的。

Yeah.

这是值得期待的事情。

That's something to look forward to.

今年我最期待的就是土星和木星的合相，我希望这能稍微清理一下土星和火星合相造成的混乱。

That's the main thing I've been looking forward to all year is just getting to that Saturn Jupiter conjunction, which I hope will help to clean up a little bit of the mess that the Mars Saturn conjunction created.

我不希望自己的期望过于乐观，但至少这是我一直期待的事情。

And I hope I'm not being overly optimistic about that, but that's that's what I've been looking forward to at least.

我也是。

Me too.

是的。

Yeah.

也担心自己对它过于乐观，但没错。

Also afraid of being overly optimistic about it, but Right.

你知道的，仅从最基础的占星学来看，你大概能推断出这一点。

You know, looking at it, just the bare bones astrology, you can kind of deduce that, I think.

当然。

Sure.

好的。

Alright.

所以我们回到之前聊过的土星在天蝎座。

So back to we talked about Saturn in Scorpio.

我们来谈谈土星在射手座作为一个亚世代。

Let's talk about Saturn in Sagittarius as a sub generation.

是的。

Yes.

我最喜欢的。

My faves.

那些确实是我的最爱。

Those are faves.

所以可以说是吧。

So Kind of.

对。

Yeah.

那就是1986年到1988年。

So that's 1986 through 1988.

是的。

Yes.

大致来说。

Rough roughly speaking.

对。

Yeah.

它们是我的最爱，因为你知道，在我看来，我是这么称呼它们的。

They're my faves because, you know, they're in my opinion, this is what I call them.

我称他们为最有趣的千禧一代，因为我觉得他们确实是最有趣的千禧一代。

I call them the most fun millennials because I think that they are the most fun millennials.

你知道吗？

You know?

千禧一代，我们这一代，我不会说我们是特别有趣的一代。

Millennials, we we're I wouldn't necessarily call us, like, a fun generation.

我觉得我们很棒、很聪明，而且拥有非常多可以贡献的东西。

I think we're amazing and brilliant, and we have so much to offer.

但总的来说，我们基本上是一个相当土星座的一代。

But there there's you know, we're pretty for the most part, a pretty Saturnian generation.

而且当

And when

我不知道你在说什么。

you get I don't know what you're talking about.

我很有趣，我认为任何看这个节目的人都不会觉得我过于严肃。

I'm very fun, and I don't think anybody would would that watches the show would characterize me as overly serious.

我的意思是，你有金星在射手座吗？

I mean, do have that Venus in Sag.

我的意思是，是的。

So I mean Yeah.

那是真的。

That's true.

那是我的朋友们。

That's my friends.

我得透过我的第十一宫把这股能量融入我的生活里。

I have to import that into my life through my eleventh house.

对。

Yeah.

所以说，没错，我真的很喜欢Z世代，因为他们出生的时候刚好有天王星和土星合相的天象。

So But, yeah, I I think I really love the subgen because they have that Uranus the Saturn Uranus conjunction.

他们之中很多人都是这样的，没错。

A lot of them yeah.

他们当中很大一部分人还拥有双鱼座或白羊座的木星。

A good a good portion of them also have Jupiter in either Pisces or Aries.

所以说我们的木星要么是在守护星盘里掌管那些射手座的星体，要么是落在白羊座来支配这些射手座星体。

So we get that, like, Jupiter and domicile ruling those Sag planets, or we get Jupiter and Aries ruling those Sag planets.

所以星盘的火象特质很强。

So very fiery.

我还会把这类人群看作是迷恋迷幻文化、一心想要探索人生意义的群体。我觉得这些人往往会抵触很多社会规范，不认同社会给他们设定的人生该有的样子或是该做的事。

And I I kinda look at this subgen as, like, the psychedelic, the the ones who are just, like, want to explore the meaning of life and sort of, like, I think these these people often reject a lot of societal norms and sort of, like, what society says that they should be or should do.

而且，他们似乎真的对比如说——好吧，很感兴趣。

And, yeah, they seem to be just really interested in, like, okay.

我们该如何充分利用在这地球上度过的时光，然后超越——是的。

How can we how can we make the most out of this, like, time we have here on Earth and sort of, like, go beyond yeah.

有一种探索的元素，他们非常渴望拓展自己的思维，大胆思考。

There's there's this there's this element of, like, exploration and just really wanting to, like, grow their their minds and, like, think big.

而且，是的。

And yeah.

我真的很喜欢这一点。

I I really love this.

这些就是我以前喜欢一起去跳舞的人，那时候跳舞还很流行。

These are these are the people that, like, I love to go out dancing with back when back when that was a thing.

这些就是你可能会想，比如，一起去森林深处，可能还带些物质，纯粹去探索的人。

These are the people that, you know, you would you would, like, I don't know, wanna go out into the middle of the woods and maybe take some substances with and just, like, explore.

这个子群体本质上就是关于：我们该如何充分利用这次肉体的化身。

Like, these this subgen is is really all about, like, how can we make the most out of this this physical incarnation.

是的

Yeah.

我喜欢这一点。

I like that.

这些是很好的关键词，确实体现了那种热爱自由、某种程度上还带有理想主义的特质。

Those are great keywords and definitely the sort of freedom loving and I wanna say idealistic to some extent.

但讽刺的是，当你把这三者与下一个世代中海王星的加入结合起来时，这种情况会变得更加明显。

Although ironically, it becomes much more the case when you get all three of those together in the next sub generation when Neptune's, like, thrown in at the same time.

是的

Yeah.

从这张星盘上看，这两颗行星似乎在1988年左右，于射手座的最后一个度数，大约29度处相遇。

It looks like in that chart, there these two planets are meeting up at the very last degree of Sagittarius at, like, 29 Sag around 1988.

嗯

Mhmm.

是的

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

而且它们还与南北交点形成刑相位。

And then they have that's squaring the nodes too.

这太多了。

That's a lot.

我注意到这个子群体在经历土星回归时非常挣扎。

I saw this the subgroup really struggled with their Saturn returns.

我有很多朋友，他们的土星落在射手座，当我刚开始学习占星时，我观察了他们，并几乎像辅导一样陪伴他们度过土星回归期。

And I had a lot of friends that that had Saturn and Sag that I, you know, as I was learning astrology, watched them and kind of almost, like, counseled them through their Saturn returns.

我观察到的一个主要主题是，他们被迫以某种方式、某种形式做出妥协。

And one of the major sort of themes that I saw was that they they were sort of forced to, you know, conform in some way, shape, or form.

于是问题变成了：好吧。

And it kind of became about, okay.

我该如何在日常生活中依然保持一部分自由，同时又得找工作、像个成年人一样生活？

How do I still maintain an aspect of freedom in my everyday life while, you know, having to get a job and, like, be an adult?

是的。

Yeah.

整个需要成熟、成为成年人的过程，压力真的很大，因为这一代人中多少带点‘彼得·潘综合症’。

It's it's the the whole, like, needing to mature and, like, you know, the pressure to become an adult was a lot because there's a little bit of, like, a Peter Pan syndrome with the sub generation.

对。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

我记得其中一个例子，我正努力回想几年前土星落在射手座时的那些土星回归故事，但不知为什么，我总是会想到谢拉·布夫，他是一位演员。

One of the ones I remember I'm trying to remember all of the Saturn return stories from that period of Saturn and Sagittarius just a few years ago, but the one I always think about for some reason is, Sheila Buff who was, you know, like an actor.

他童年时期就出道，当过童星，出演过迪士尼的作品。

In his early childhood career, he was a child actor, was on Disney and stuff like that.

后来他出演了《变形金刚》系列和《夺宝奇兵》等大片，但经常不被认真对待，甚至被当作笑料。

And then he started going into Transformers series, big movies with the Transformers series and Indiana Jones, but he often wasn't taken seriously and was treated as almost like a punchline to a certain extent.

但在土星回归期间，尤其是那三年里，他发生了有趣的转变：他开始追求更具艺术性的工作，逐渐找到了职业上的舒适感，于是开始涉足其他领域，做自己真正想做的事。

But then, certainly by the time of Saturn return and during that three year period, there was this interesting shift where he was trying to do things that were more artistic and more He sort of got to a place where he seemed comfortable in his career, so he started branching out into other areas and just doing whatever he wanted.

他想做的事情通常是些古怪的艺术类项目，并经历了重塑自我以及改变外界对他的整体认知的转变，这与土星主宰上升星座并位于第十一宫整宫，与中天相合有关。

And what he wanted to be doing was typically eccentric art type things and went through this sort of transformation of remaking who he was and how he was perceived in the world in general as part of his Saturn ruling the Ascendant and being placed in the eleventh whole sign house conjunct the Midheaven.

但我总是会想到他土星回归精确落在射手座五度的时候。

But I always think of when his Saturn return went exact at five degrees of Sagittarius.

我从未能确认这是否是刻意为之，但他做了一件事：去电影院连续一周放映他从童年时期开始出演的所有电影。

I've never been able to confirm whether this was deliberate or not, but he did this thing where he went to a movie theater and they played all of the movies that he had done since he was a child for a week.

在土星回归期间，他 literally 观察着自己成长，并在土星精确经过该度数时反思这一切。

And he literally, during his Saturn return, watched himself grow up and reflected on that as Saturn was passing over its exact degree.

我一直觉得，这真是对土星回归极其深刻的冥想。

And I always thought that was such an amazing meditation on the Saturn return.

无论这是不是有意的，我真的不知道。

Whether it was deliberate or not, I really have no idea.

是的。

Yeah.

在土星精确合相期间发生这样的事，真是太惊人了。

That's that's amazing that that happened during the during the exact conjunction.

是的。

Yeah.

而且想想看，他的星盘是夜盘，所以土星回归可能更加艰难和具有挑战性，尤其是当它经过他的中天时。

And thinking about, you know, he's a night chart and so Saturn the Saturn return maybe being this more difficult and challenging to move through, and passing over his midheaven and and all of that.

所以，这确实很有趣。

So, yeah, that's really interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a really good point.

那是夜盘，而且土星掌管着上升点。

Was that night chart, and it's ruling the Ascendant.

第一宫的宫主星通常代表自我。

The first house and the ruler of the first is typically representing, like, the self.

但那个时期有一件奇怪的事是，到那时为止，他并不太受欢迎。

And one of the things that was just weird about that time is up to that point, he wasn't very well liked.

我的意思是，总的来说，关于人们是否认真对待他。

I mean, just in general, in terms of people taking him seriously.

但他在那段时间的转变之一是，似乎他成功地彻底改变了公众形象，通过主动尝试各种新颖、有时是艺术性的、甚至有些怪异的前卫实验，他确实进入了一个全新的生活和事业阶段。

But part of his transformation during that time is it seemed like he was able to sufficiently change his public persona to such an extent by going out of his way to try new, sometimes artistic, and sometimes kind of weird avant garde experiments that he definitely entered a new phase of his life and career in some way.

其中一部分涉及某种程度上重塑他的自我认知。

Part of that involved, like, remaking his sense of self in some sense.

是的。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

你提到前卫实验，这挺有意思的，因为他确实有天王星在射手座与他儿子星体成对分相，就度数而言是这样的。

And it's funny that you say that, like, the avant garde experimental, because he does have that Uranus and Sag opposite his son, like yeah, by degree.

所以土星来到他本命的天王星，并且也与他儿子星体形成对分相。

So Saturn coming to his natal Uranus and opposing his son too.

是的。

Yeah.

我猜这对他在内心来说一定非常具有挑战性。

I bet that was really challenging for him, like, internally.

是的。

Yeah.

在木星的平方根位置。

In the square root of Jupiter.

我还会把第十一宫的命主星看作是极其清楚地意识到周围所有人如何看待你，或者清楚地意识到自己在你所归属的更大群体中的位置。

I kind of look at the chart ruler in the eleventh too as being just really aware of how, you know, every everyone around you views you or just being really aware of, like, your place within the larger context of, you know, whatever groups you're a part of.

所以，当你的凶星深渊成为命主星并落在那里时，几乎就像他可能仍然觉得人们不喜欢他，可能在这方面仍有问题。

And so, yeah, having, like, your malefic abyss act as the chart ruler placed there, it's almost like probably he probably still doesn't think that people like probably still has has issues with that.

我的意思是，我可以想象。

I mean, I would imagine.

哦，我很期待明年土星将发生日食的情况。

Oh, I'm excited to see how that there's gonna be an eclipse on his Saturn too next year.

我想知道这会意味着什么。

I wonder what's what that's gonna be about.

哦，这是个好观点。

Oh, that's a good point.

你刚才提到的实际上让我想起了一件事，他做的那些艺术项目，一系列的艺术创作，都是和朋友合作完成的。

That actually what you mentioned just raised a point I forgot about that the art projects that he did, the, like, series of art projects he did were collaborations with his friends.

他有一群非常亲密的朋友，经常和他们合作，这也是土星进入第十一宫时的一种表现方式。

He had, like, this close, like, friend group that he was collaborating with, and that was part of how the eleventh house Saturn transit was manifesting as well.

不错。

Nice.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

而木星位于双鱼座或许是一种救赎，很可能意味着他拥有许多非常棒的朋友，这些朋友或许能帮他摆脱那种‘人人都讨厌我’的心态。

And that Jupiter in Pisces is kind of like a saving grace that probably does speak to having a lot of, like, really great friends that kind of might might be able to, like, take him out of that, like, you know, everyone hates me sort of thing.

就像，我不确定。

Like, I don't know.

我不认识希亚·拉博夫。

I have no I don't know Shia LaBeouf.

自从他还在迪士尼的时候，我就一直是他的铁粉，但此刻我只是在猜测。

I have been a huge fan since, you know, he was on Disney, but I'm just, you know, speculating at this point.

当然。

Sure.

是的。

Yeah.

或者金星与木星形成三合相，而木星是第十一宫的守护星，这在同时提供了帮助。

Or having, like, Venus trining that Jupiter, which is the rule of the eleventh, is, a helpful little thing that's helping out at the same time.

但有一点非常重要：当土星与第一宫产生关联，一个人经历土星回归时，这通常既是外部的过程，也是内在的自我重塑过程，涉及你如何定义自我以及如何向世界展现自己等方方面面。

But it's just one of the really useful things to remember that when Saturn is connected to the first house and a person goes through the Saturn return, that it's often both sometimes an external process as well as an internal process of redefining the sense of self and how you appear to the world and different things like that.

我举个有趣的例子，当我经历土星回归时，我是水瓶座上升，结果开始掉头发，最后决定干脆剃光头，这在当时是个巨大的挣扎和重要决定，但它也是我重新定义自我——不仅是内在的自我，还有外在形象——的一部分。

I mean, one of the funny things also being Aquarius rising when I went through my Saturn return was losing my hair and deciding to just like start shaving my head and that being a big struggle and a big deal at the time, but it was part of my own process of, you know, redefining my sense of not just myself internally, but also how how I appeared to the world.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我有一个很好的朋友，他在射手座经历土星回归时非常挣扎，他是双鱼座上升，所以土星落在第十宫。

One of I had a really good friend who was really struggling with his Saturn return in in Sag, and he's Pisces rising, so he has Saturn in the tenth.

那时他只是在遛狗，完全不知道人生该何去何从。

And he was just, like, dog walking at the time and just didn't know what to do with his life.

他当时真的处于非常艰难的境地。

He was really, like, in a rough place with it.

他拿到了海洋生物学的学位，却一直问自己：我到底该做什么？

And he had gotten his degree in marine biology, and he's just like, what am I supposed to do?

我看了他的星盘，就问他：你有没有想过当老师？

And I looked at his chart, and I was like, have you ever thought about teaching?

后来，他终于决定重返校园，取得了教师资格，现在教科学，而且非常热爱这份工作。

And, eventually, he got to the point where he went back to school and got a degree for, for teaching, and now he teaches science, and he loves it.

这完全就是他的天职。

And that's, like, totally his calling.

但这个过程经历了非常艰难的土星回归。

But it took this, like, really rough Saturn return.

而且，他也是夜盘。

And, yeah, he's a night chart as well too.

所以，他经历了整个探索过程，弄清楚了自己想成为怎样的人，以及想承担怎样的角色。

So it took this whole process of, like, figuring out who he wanted to be in the world and how he wanted like, the role that he wanted to take on.

是的。

Yeah.

这在某种程度上，和土星经过第十宫或中天的相位类似。

That it's a similar similar in, you know, in ways in terms of, like, tenth house or mid heaven transits of Saturn.

而且，确实关乎你想承担怎样的角色。

And, yeah, it being about, like, what role do you wanna do you wanna take on.

对。

Right.

这很有道理。

That makes a lot of sense.

你有没有关于土星和射手座的其他内容？

Do you or is there anything else about Saturn and Sag?

我在想，有没有其他特别好的例子，关于这一代人尤其是他们的土星回归，能很好地体现我们刚才讨论的土星与射手座或土星合天王星的一些关键词。

I'm trying to think of if there are any other, like, really good examples of that sub generation and specifically their Saturn returns that stood out or were, like, good examples of some of the the different keywords that we're talking about with Saturn and Sag or Saturn conjunct Uranus.

是的。

Yeah.

我不确定。

I don't know.

你是了解名人的人。

You're the celebrity guy.

知道。

Know.

我对名人星盘很不擅长。

I'm really bad with celebrity charts.

好吧。

Okay.

但说实话，我更熟悉一些个人经历。

But, yeah, I'm more of like I know personal experiences.

但没错，我想我们已经聊得挺多了。

But, yeah, that's I think we covered a lot.

它们基本上都是挺有趣的案例。

They're the fun ones, basically.

是的。

Yeah.

确实很有趣。

Definitely fun.

我正在翻看我的文件。

I'm just looking through my files.

比如其中一个是罗南·法罗，几年前他经历土星回归时，正逐渐成长为一名调查记者，并参与了与#MeToo运动相关的某些调查，做出了重要贡献。

I mean, one of them was like Ronan Farrow and his Saturn return like a few years ago, which was really coming out into his own as an investigative reporter and some of his contributions in the context of like the Me Too movement and some of those investigations that he was like involved with at that point.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

而且去年木星和射手座似乎让他更加声名鹊起。

And it seems like Jupiter and Sag last year really sort of like blew him up even more.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

他有着强大的射手座星群，太阳、月亮、天王星、水星和土星都位于中天，上升星座为水瓶座，土星主宰命宫，日间星盘，位于第十一整宫。

He's a super Sag stellium with, like, the sun and moon and Uranus and Mercury and Saturn in the Midheaven there with Aquarius rising, Saturn ruling the Ascendant, day chart, and in the eleventh whole sign house.

哇。

Wow.

我没想到他出生得这么晚。

I didn't realize he was late.

上升星座也是水瓶座。

Aquarius rising too.

太棒了。

That's awesome.

把他未婚妻的儿子直接放在了他的第七宫。

Puts his fiancee's son right in his seventh house.

哦，他的未婚妻。

Oh, his fiancee.

所以

So

他未婚妻是谁？

Who's his fiancee?

约翰·洛维特。

John Lovett.

他曾经是奥巴马的演讲撰稿人、喜剧编剧，而且他确实如此。

He's a he was, like, a former Obama speech writer, like, joke writer, and he has yeah.

他主持着一个由Crooked Media出品的播客，现在主要做很多政治相关的内容。

He does he does he has his whole podcast with crooked media, and he just does a lot of political stuff nowadays.

不错。

Nice.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

Alright.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为这些就是我本来想提到的关于土星和射手座的主要内容。

I think those are the main ones that I meant to mention just in terms of Saturn and Sagittarius.

可能还有其他一些我们可以讨论的，但也许这样就够了。

There's probably other ones we could go through, but maybe that's good.

是的。

Yeah.

我们来谈谈土星和星座主星的问题吧。

Let's let's talk about the Saturn and domicile sub gens.

好的。

Okay.

土星在摩羯座的时间大约是从1989年到1991年。

So Saturn in Capricorn, that was from roughly 1989 through 1991.

正如我们所说，这与土星、天王星和海王星同时位于摩羯座的时期有所重叠。

And as we've said, that kind of overlaps when Saturn was when Uranus was in Capricorn and Neptune was in Capricorn as well.

因此，对他们来说，摩羯座通常会出现行星密集聚集的情况。

So you get this super pile up of planets in Capricorn typically for for them.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这引出了一个关于星群的问题，最近我看到一些人在讨论，到底需要几颗行星才算星群——是三颗、四颗还是更多？以及个人行星和世代行星各自应占多大比重。

And that kind of brings up a point about stelliums that I've seen people discussing recently and discussions about how many planets count for a stellium if it's three or four or more, and also to what extent personal planets should be involved versus generational planets.

你有关注过这些讨论吗？对此有什么看法吗？

You Have you followed any of that or do you have any thoughts on any of that?

是的。

Yeah.

我的想法通常是受木星影响的。

I mean, my thoughts I tend to be very Jupiter with it.

我就觉得，随便吧。

I'm like, whatever.

如果你愿意称之为星群，那就叫星群吧。

Like, if it's if you wanna call it a stellium, call it a stellium.

对。

Right.

对我来说，如果一堆行星都集中在同一个星座、同一个宫位，那就意味着某些事情，因为这意味着其他许多宫位的守护星都来自这个宫位。

To me, it's like if, if there's a concentration of a bunch of planets in one sign, therefore, like, one house, that means something because that means that a bunch of other houses are gonna be ruled by planets in that one house.

所以，是的，我确实认为这很重要，值得关注。

So, yeah, I I definitely see it as important and something of note.

至于外行星，我不太确定。

When it comes to outers, I I don't know.

我觉得如果有内行星在那儿，哪怕是土星，也算作一个星群也没关系。

I I think it's okay to count I think if there's an inner planet there, even Saturn, I think it's okay to count it as a cellium.

你知道，如果它就像，我不知道。

You know, if it's if it's like, I don't know.

我想如果只有两个外行星，那甚至算不上星群。

I guess if it was just the two outers, it wouldn't even be a stellium.

那只是一个合相。

It'd be a conjunction.

但没错。

But yeah.

我不确定。

I don't know.

我经常思考这个问题，因为有很多客户问我关于星群的事，我只是觉得，我不太确定。

I I've thought about this a lot because I get a lot of clients who ask me about stelliums, and I'm just kind of like, I don't know.

如果有三个或更多行星，而且你觉得它有意义，比如我的天蝎座，我有太阳、火星、冥王星在天蝎座合相，我就称它为我的天蝎座星群，你知道，即使冥王星。

If it's if it's if it's three or more planets and, you know, you feel like it's it's meaningful like, I call my my Scorpio I have Sun Mars Pluto conjunction in Scorpio, and I call it my Scorpio Stellium, you know, even though Pluto.

这些行星的度数都非常接近。

And those are all pretty close in degree.

这个合相的范围大概在五度之内。

It's like within five degrees that conjunction.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

我想这是因为新手学生经常问到这个问题，而由于太阳、金星和水星永远不会离彼此超过两个星座，所以更多人会拥有三行星的星聚。

I guess it's because people often that are new students ask about this, And one of the distinctions with personal planets is since the Sun and Venus and Mercury never get more than two or signs away from each other, there's a higher degree of probability that more people will have a three planet stellium.

但一旦达到四个行星，就变得非常独特了，因为那时你至少需要那三个内行星再加上一个。

But definitely once you get into four, that becomes much more unique just because then you have to have at least those three inner planets plus one more.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我认为，这正是这一代人如此独特的原因之一——三个行星位于同一个星座。

But I guess that's one of the things that makes this sub generation really unique is having three planets in one sign.

即使至少有两个是超级代际的，你也自动会拥有三个行星。

You're automatically gonna have like three planets even if at least two of them are are super generational.

这会在你的星盘中形成一种聚集效应，因此每当这个星群中的任何一个行星被激活时，这三个行星都会以某种方式同时被激活。

It creates kind of a clustering in one part of your chart so that anytime one of those planets in that cluster gets activated, like, all three of them are getting activated in some way.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

而且，是的，我见过很多星盘，里面的人土星、天王星、海王星，还有太阳、水星和金星全都在摩羯座。

And, yeah, I've seen lots of charts with people who have, like, you know, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and the Sun, Mercury, and Venus all in Capricorn.

所以这种情况确实相当常见。

So that certainly happens quite a bit.

而且，没错，这确实很强烈。

And, yeah, I mean, heavy.

这太多了。

That's a lot.

是的。

Yeah.

这确实太多了。

That is a lot.

这是个很好的观点。

That's that's a good point.

所以这意味着，如果任何内行星恰好落在这个星座，那么对于那个世代的每个人来说，自动就有四颗行星在那里了。

So it means also, like, if any inner planet, like, happens to end up in that sign, then you've got four planets there just automatically for anybody in that generation.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

这是那张图表。

So here's a chart with that.

而且，即使在那个世代的早期，也就是八十年代末，这些行星的度数也都很接近。

And also, even from very early in that generation in the late eighties, those planets are all pretty close in degree.

我的意思是，它们彼此之间的差距只有大约10度，天王星、海王星和土星都是如此。

I mean, they're within like 10 degrees of each other, Uranus and Neptune and Saturn.

当然，之后不久，我想是在1982年或1993年左右，我们迎来了天王星和海王星在摩羯座的合相。

And it wasn't too far after that, of course, I guess in, like, 1982, 1993 that we got the Uranus Neptune conjunction that happened in Capricorn.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这看起来像是我朋友的星盘。

This looks like my friend's chart.

我知道很多1989年2月出生的人，不知为什么特别多。

I I know a lot of people born in in February of of eighty nine, a lot for some reason.

而且，是的，那个天王星——抱歉。

And, yeah, there's I that that Uranus sorry.

海王星和土星的合相在很多人经历土星回归时带来了极大的困难。

That Neptune that Saturn Neptune conjunction was really, really rough for a lot of folks during their Saturn returns.

我有个朋友，她的上升点正好被这个合相跨越。

I have a friend who has that conjunction straddling her her ascendant.

所以她的一边是土星，另一边是海王星，上升点正好在中间。

So she has, like, Saturn on one side, Neptune on the other, and her ascendant right in the middle.

她是个夜盘，你知道的，她出生时间大概是那之前几天，我想不起来了。

And she has a night chart with you know, she was, I can't think, born a couple of days before this.

是的。

Yeah.

因为她月亮在水瓶座。

Because she has the moon in Aquarius.

所以说白了，我们的星盘情况差不多，她的土星回归期过得非常非常难熬，而且现在还在熬这个阶段。

So basically, same chart and had a really rough or has been having a really, really rough Saturn return.

对，我还见过不少类似的情况，去年我还和一个正处在土星回归期的人交往过，他也是二月出生的，也有这个土木海王星的合相，落在第九宫。

So, yeah, I've seen it's you know, and I dated someone during their Saturn return last year who was also born February and has that conjunction, in the ninth house.

对他来说，那段时间的变故都和第九宫有关——他当时正在读创意写作方向的研究生，然后他说那是什么来着？

And for him, it was all about he he had been in grad school, so ninth house, for creative writing, and he what did he call it?

对。

Yeah.

就好像…会出现一种幻想与现实交织的奇怪状况。

Like like, it's there's this weird combo of, like, fantasy and reality that happened.

不过他，对，他是个创意作家，当时一直在写这类东西，哦我都搞混了，非虚构还是虚构来着——虚构就是不是真发生的那种故事对吧。

But he, yeah, he was a creative writer, and he was writing, like, all this, you know, non was it nonfiction or Fiction is the one that's not real.

是的。

Yes.

那…虚构作品到底是怎么创作的啊？

So so how does fiction work?

而且真的很难坚持，我觉得海王星和土星的合相特别难以把握。

And really struggling with, like I think there's just that Neptune that Saturn Neptune conjunction is really hard to, like, hold on to.

它非常滑溜，我认为当你在土星回归期间，尤其是在摩羯座时，试图建立一些有实质意义的东西、一些能持久的东西，几乎像是留下自己的印记——这在我看来正是土星和摩羯座的特质：真实、具体、可触可感，某种意义上就像在构建一个结构。

It's, like, really slippery, and I think that's I think it's rough when you're trying to you know, during your Saturn return, especially in Capricorn, when you're trying to build something of substance, you're trying to build something that will last, almost like making your mark, which is very like Saturn and Capricorn in my opinion, like, something that is real and tangible and that you can see and touch and, you know, like, building a structure in some way.

但海王星的影响让这一切变得如此虚无缥缈，我看到很多人因此挣扎，努力去成为一个成年人，试图创造一些实在的东西，而海王星的影响却带来了太多虚无感，让一切都显得不真实。

But then the Neptune piece just really made that so intangible, and I saw a lot of folks struggle with that, like, trying to figure out how to, like, be an adult and, you know, again, make something of substance when the Neptune influence caused so much, like, immateriality and, like, you know, just kind of made everything sort of, like, just not real.

我看到很多人在这件事上都感到困扰。

And I saw a lot of people struggle with that.

就像试图抓一把沙子一样。

Like, trying to, like, grab on to, like, a fistful of sand.

你越用力攥紧、越想抓住它，它就越从指缝中滑落。

And, like, the harder you squeeze and try and hang onto it, the more it like slips through your fingers and and falls out.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

我一直以来都对这种更有成效的版本中的理想主义元素感到着迷。

There was I've been really fascinated by sometimes in the more productive versions of that how there's just been a major element of idealism sometimes.

那些能够更积极地完成土星回归的人，常常会将理想主义融入其中，有时甚至过于理想化，从而面临理想与现实可能性之间的冲突。

Some of the people that were able to do the more constructive version of their Saturn return, there was often this element of bringing ideals into it that sometimes might even be overly idealistic and sometimes running into the issue of their over idealism meeting the reality of what was possible.

但尽管存在这种张力，他们当时的抱负可能更加理想化，并能够将这些理想以更接近实现的方式转化为现实，这或许比那些土星回归中缺乏理想主义元素的其他世代更接近目标。

But still, that despite that tension, perhaps their aspirations at that time being more idealistic and being able to bring some of those ideals into concrete reality in a way that was closer to hitting the mark than maybe other sub generations who, you know, didn't have that element of idealism as much as part of their Saturn returns.

是的

Yeah.

当然

For sure.

理想主义这一部分确实非常重要。

The idealism piece is really real.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我正在想，去年木星经过射手座时，这种状态与之结合，木星和射手座带来了一种‘志存高远’、‘一切皆有可能’的氛围。

And I'm just thinking about, like, that coupled with Jupiter, like, moving through Sag last year and how there was this sort of, like, with Jupiter and Sag, it was this very, like, think big, like, anything's possible sort of vibe.

而与此同时，你正处于土星回归期，可能感觉压力沉重，必须把梦想变为现实，却发现自己很难做到。

And then that being contrasted with, like, moving through your Saturn return where it might have just felt like, you know, just such a heavy weight and so much pressure to, like, make those dreams a reality and just finding it really hard to do so.

是的。

Yeah.

我注意到的一个比较积极的土星回归案例是亚历山大·奥卡西奥-科尔特斯（AOC）——她属于土星位于摩羯座的人群，最近我们获得了她的准确出生时间，发现她的土星回归相对顺利，许多事情都取得了成果，她将理想融入其中，并做出了激进的人生改变，最终成功了。

One of the of the ones that I I was watching that was like a more of a positive Saturn return story that seems to have gone well and seems to have been incorporating some of the ideals and incorporating some of the making sudden radical changes in your life and it's somehow working out or pulling it off was the birth chart when we got the birth time recently of AOC of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez being one of the Saturn in Capricorn people who had a relatively good Saturn return where things worked out.

是的。

Yeah.

她是个绝佳的例子。

She's a great example.

是的。

Yeah.

这是她的星盘。

So here's her chart.

她也是一个日盘，土星位于摩羯座8度，天王星位于1度，海王星位于摩羯座9度，上升星座为射手座。

So she's also a day chart with Saturn at eight degrees of Capricorn, Uranus at one degree, and Neptune at nine degrees of Capricorn with Sagittarius rising.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

她的星盘里有大量的主动星座能量。

And she just has like a ton of cardinal stuff.

她的星盘中几乎全是主动星座。

Like almost everything in her chart is cardinal.

上升星座的守护星是木星，位于10度。

The ruler of the Ascendant is Jupiter, which is at 10.

巨蟹座对冲摩羯座的部分，她的月亮在白羊座三度。

Cancer opposing the Capricorn stuff, her Moon's at three, Aries.

然后她有一个天秤座的星群，水星在二度，中天在六度，火星在十五度，太阳在二十度。

And then she has a stellium in Libra with Mercury at two, the Midheaven at six, Mars at 15, and the Sun at 20.

所以每当有能量进入白羊座、巨蟹座、天秤座或摩羯座时，都会激活她所有的配置。

So it's like anytime stuff goes into cardinal, it just activates all of her stuff.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且，她的土星回归确实发生在第二宫，正好与她财务状况和赚钱方式的彻底转变相吻合。

And, yeah, her Saturn return, you know, in the second house did coincide with, like, this complete change in her fight in her finances and the way that she was making money.

她以前当过调酒师，或者在竞选国会议员的时候。

Like, she was a bartender before or when she was running for congress.

而现在，她已经成为了一名国会议员。

And and, you know, now she's a congresswoman.

而且她的关注点很大程度上放在金钱、预算上，确保对银行和所有财务相关事务的腐败进行监督。虽然我无法具体说明细节，但我知道这绝对是她关注的重点之一。

And and she so much of her focus is on, like, money and, you know, budgets and making sure that, you know, corruption is being checked in regards to, like, you know, banking and all the all the financial stuff that I you know, I can't really speak to the the specifics, but I know that's that's definitely, like, a big part of her focus.

命主星在第八宫，而且也是星盘中最积极的行星，还处于庙旺状态。

Chart ruler in the second I'm sorry, in the eighth as the most positive planet in the chart too and exalted.

我的意思是，她的土星在第二宫，这也很不错，因为是在日盘中。

I mean, that and then and then her Saturn in the second, which is also in in a pretty good you know, it's in a day chart.

它落在自己的星座，而且我认为是顺行的。

It's in its own sign, and I think it's direct.

我不确定。

I don't know.

也许不是。

Maybe not.

但无论如何，她最积极的两颗行星都位于与财富相关的宫位。

But regardless, two of her most positive planets in in these money houses.

所以，这确实很有趣。

So, yeah, that's interesting.

是的

Yeah.

当然

Definitely.

而且，我的意思是，这个故事真是够疯狂的——从一个酒保突然决定投身政坛，击败了纽约当地一位长期任职的现任议员，这不仅部分源于她自己的政治理念和抱负，更以一种突如其来的姿态，作为颠覆旧秩序的新人挑战者成功上位。

And just I mean, what a crazy story that is in terms of going from being a bartender and then deciding to jump into politics and ousting, you know, the sitting representative in her area in New York who had been established there for a long time and that being also partially driven by her own political ideals and aspirations, but doing it somewhat suddenly and being the upstart challenger who displaces the old status quo.

这个故事中，天王星、海王星、土星和摩羯座的主题以非常直接的方式交织在一起，实在太多了。

It's just there's so many different Uranus and Neptune and Saturn and Capricorn themes there that are all getting tied into that story in very literal way.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

当我写到这一代人时，我脑海中浮现的景象，仿佛一座城市或某个地方被摧毁了。

When I wrote about this sub generation, I kind of pictured this sort of like almost like a as if there was, like, a city or, you know, a place that got destroyed.

我想象着，就像发生了一场地震和一场季风，分别代表天王星和海王星。

And I kind of thought of it as, like, you know, like, as if an earthquake happened and a monsoon, which would be like Uranus and Neptune.

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后，你知道，土星代表那些结构，或者摩羯座代表那些在那个时期被彻底摧毁的结构，但这一代人几乎像是新世界的建筑师。

And then, you know, Saturn kind of representing those structures that or maybe even Capricorn representing those structures that were totally demolished during that period of time, but sort of this the sub generation almost acting as if they're the architects of a new world.

我想象自己置身于废墟之中，看着那些倒塌的砖块和崩塌的建筑，却能从中看到用它们建造新事物的潜力。

And I kind of pictured, like, like, being in this in this rubble and seeing, you know, these these fallen bricks and these fallen structures and being able to see the potential in using that to build something new.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是我对这一代人的看法：你有土星和摩羯座，它们强烈指向旧事物、传统、结构、权威以及所有那些东西，而天王星和海王星则完全不同，它们似乎完全无法融合，我不知道为什么。

That's kind of how I think of this this sub generation with, like, you have this, you know, Saturn and Capricorn, which speaks so much to to the old and to tradition and structure and, like, authority and all that is, and how Uranus and Neptune like, that's just such a like, it seems like they don't they won't mix and they I don't know.

它们可能确实无法融合，但从中产生的，却是一种全新的做事方式——老实说，就像魔法一样。

They probably don't mix, but what you get out of that is this, like, just a whole new way of doing like, magic, honestly.

我总觉得，这些充满魔力、富有同理心、充满同情心且包容性强的人，能够为新世界构建起这样的结构。

I kinda think of it as, like, these these magical and also, like, empathetic and also, yeah, compassionate and inclusive structure like, people, I guess, who can build these these structures, for a new world.

我不知道。

I don't know.

是的

Yeah.

我想这说得通。

I guess that makes sense.

对吧？

Right?

水星和射手座有时候会有点混乱。

Get a little bit Mercury and Sag's a little all over the place sometimes.

不对。

No.

这太完美了。

That's perfect.

有趣的是，这让我开始回忆并想到，我们主要是在讨论那些出生时带有特定世代星盘位置的人，以及当他们经历土星回归时，那些东西如何显现并变得更加具体。

And what what's funny is it started making me remember and think of You know, we're talking about this largely in the context of people that are born with certain generational placements and then what happens when they have their Saturn return and seeing some of that stuff come out and become much more concrete.

但过去几年里，我注意到这不仅发生在出生星盘中，有时也会发生在择时星盘或实体的星盘中。

But over the past few years, I've been noticing that that doesn't just happen in birth charts, but also sometimes happens in electional charts or the charts for entities.

过去几年我一直关注的一个案例是丹佛本地一家叫水星咖啡馆的咖啡店，由当地占星师玛丽莲·马杰内迪经营。

And one that I've been watching over the past few years is this local cafe called the Mercury Cafe here in Denver that's run by a local astrologer named Marilyn Majenedi.

她特意选了时间。

She timed it.

这是这家店1990年10月31日早上6点20分在科罗拉多州丹佛开业时的星盘，上升星座为天蝎座群星汇聚，同时土星、海王星、天王星合相于第三宫整宫。

This is like a time chart for when this business first opened on 10/31/1990 at 06:20AM in Denver, Colorado with Scorpio Stellium rising, but it has that Saturn Neptune Uranus conjunction in the third whole sign house.

过去两年特别有趣的是，这家店一直非常理想主义，注重社区，经常举办本地 activism、筹款活动和各种政治活动。

And what's been really interesting to see over the past two years is one, it's always been a very idealistic, very community oriented place where they host lots of local activism and sometimes fundraisers and different political things.

他们还举办诗歌朗诵会、诗歌对决，以及大量其他社区活动，这与第三宫带有土星的理想主义特质非常契合。

They also host poetry readings or poetry slams and just a ton of different community events at this place, which is really interesting in terms of the idealism of the third house with Saturn there.

但自从土星进入摩羯座以来的这几年，水星咖啡馆原本位于丹佛市中心边缘，几乎在荒无人烟的地方。

But over the past few years since Saturn went into Capricorn, the Mercury Cafe used to be on the outskirts of Downtown Denver, kind of in the middle of nowhere.

然而过去几年，这座城市发生了巨大变化：咖啡馆所在街区突然出现了严重的两极分化——一方面，周围开始冒出许多高楼大厦，咖啡馆从原本孤零零地处城市边缘、四周只有空仓库的状况，瞬间被一幢幢豪华公寓楼包围，这些公寓外观炫目、价格昂贵。

But then there's been this shift in the city over the past few years suddenly where there's these huge disparities in the neighborhood that it's in, where on the one hand, all of these huge buildings started going up around it and suddenly it went from being a business that was in the middle of nowhere on the outskirts of the city with nothing around it, just like empty warehouses, to suddenly these huge high rises with condos, like really expensive flashy looking condos being built up around it.

但与此同时，这个区域的其他社会差异也愈发明显。

But then also these other disparities of that part of the city.

在它周围，街道旁，无家可归者的人数显著增加。

There's been a rise in the homeless population that have built up right around it in its literal neighborhood on the streets next to it.

因此，我们见证了这种鲜明的对比，这也是土星在摩羯座的典型表现——贫富极端并存，且集中体现在这家企业的第三宫。

So we've witnessed this really striking disparity, which is an interesting Capricorn or Saturn in Capricorn things as well of extremes of both wealth and poverty and it being localized to the third house of this business.

当然，今年新冠疫情爆发，对它造成了巨大打击。这家店原本依赖周边居民定期光顾和举办线下社区活动，突然间所有活动都停摆了，它不得不努力寻找生存之道。

And then of course, at the same time this year, finally with COVID hitting, that's been a huge hit to it and it struggled as a business that normally relies on people from the neighborhood coming in regularly and doing community events there in person, to suddenly like that grinding to a halt and then trying to figure out how to survive as a result of that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且这还是一个夜盘。

And it is like a night chart too.

我的意思是，虽然接近日出，但确实如此。

I mean, it is very close to sunrise, but there's that.