星座中的巨蟹座：含义与特质

现在她躲在自己的洞穴里，想着：这东西是干什么用的？

And now she's inside of her cave being like, oh, what does this thing do?

也许这是把梳子，给我梳头用的。

Maybe it's a maybe it's a brush for my hair.

你知道的。

You know?

你只是沉浸在自己的小世界里。

You're just kind of inside your own little world.

我觉得这种状态其实也极大地支持了想象力。

I think there's a lot of imagination that actually gets supported by this too.

我觉得这是巨蟹座被低估的一个方面——它有多么富有想象力和创造力。

I think that's, like, kind of an underrated aspect of Cancer is just how imaginative and creative it is too.

但到了狮子座，你就开始想：好吧。

But then in Leo, you're kind of like, okay.

那我要怎么表达出来呢？

Well, how do I express this?

我该怎么把它表达出来呢？

How do I just put it out there?

对。

Right.

那处女座又会怎么去完善它呢？好吧。

How do I Virgo then refines it and is like, okay.

也许你可以稍微删减一下这个部分。

Well, maybe maybe you can edit this down a little bit.

对。

Right.

你提到了想象力，这确实是巨蟹座的一个很好的关键词，同时也关联到另一个关键词——梦境，以及在占星学这个阶段，梦境世界作为另一个月亮和巨蟹座的领域，其必要性与疗愈性：我们每晚都必须进入梦境状态，既是为了让身体休息，也是为了给大脑充电，这一点对维持生命至关重要。

So you so you bring up imagination, which is really good keyword for Cancer, and then also connects to another one which is dreams and the necessary and healing or restorative necessity of the dream world as being another lunar and Cancerian place that we access at this point in the zodiac where you have to go into the dream state each night both in order to rest your body but also in order to recharge your brain and that there's something about that that's crucial to the maintaining of life.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我觉得还有一个方面，关于巨蟹座的奇特与怪异，似乎很少有人谈起。

You know, I think that there's also like another thing that I feel like doesn't get talked enough about with Cancer is just like the strain the strangeness of Cancer.

我觉得这跟你所说的有关，我想你之前对阿丘塔说的，关于你接收到了一份复制品，这让我想到，有时候在夜里看东西时，影子可能会呈现出奇怪的形态。

And I think it kind of goes to what you're saying like the I think what you were saying, Acyuta, before about how, like, you're receiving a copy, and it makes me think about how sometimes when you're looking at things in the night, like, shadows can take on a strange form.

这某种程度上关乎梦境本身那种超现实、奇异且难以言喻的特质。

And it's sort of about how, like, dreams themselves are kind of surreal and strange and ineffable in a way.

你知道吗，我其实刚在想，好吧。

You know, I actually like, I was thinking, okay.

比如大卫·林奇就是一个著名的超现实主义者。

Like, David Lynch is like a famous surrealist.

对吧？

Right?

他的月亮正好落在中天。

He has the Moon right on the Midheaven.

然后我就想，不知道萨尔瓦多·达利的星盘是怎样的。

And then I was like, I wonder I wonder what Salvador Dali has.

他实际上是巨蟹座上升，月亮也正好落在中天，所以我觉得这背后一定有什么道理，关于月亮、想象力，以及主观体验的解析所具有的那种超现实特质。

He's actually a Cancer rising with a Moon right on the Mid So I think that there's something to that about, like, just like the kind of surreal quality of the the Moon and the imagination and just like the parsing of the subjective experience.

它会以这些略显奇异的幻象形式出现在你面前。

It comes to you in these kinds of strange visions that are a little strange.

巨蟹座的人肯定会醒来后立刻跟朋友们讲述他们刚做的梦。

It's definitely Cancer is the one who's gonna go and wake up and tell all their friends about the dream they just had.

有时候别人并不在意，但我也说不准。

And sometimes people don't care, but I don't know.

我觉得这很有趣。

I think it's interesting.

嗯，

Well,

有趣的是，要向他人表达一场梦对你产生的主观影响是极其困难的。

what's funny about that is it's incredibly hard to express to another individual the subjective impact that a dream had on you.

是的。

Yeah.

有时候，无论你多么努力，都无法用语言传达出那场梦带给你的情感强度或影响，因为你试图用逻辑和分析性的语言去表达一种情感和内在的体验，而这两者之间存在着无法传递的隔阂。

Sometimes no matter how hard you try, you can never convey the emotional intensity or impact that that had on you with words because you're trying to convey something that was emotional and internal through something that's logical and analytical, which is putting it into words and there's something that's not transferable about those two things.

炼金术中有一个阶段被称为‘银化阶段’。

There's a state in alchemy that called the silvering stage.

你可以把炼金术看作一种心理隐喻，尽管古代炼金术士是否本意如此尚不确定。

You think about alchemy in terms of let's consider it psychological metaphors, which may or may not have been intended by ancient alchemists.

但你可以想象，他们所描述的这些不同阶段，就像荣格所做的那样，可以被转化为个体化过程或人生的心理旅程。

But you imagine that these different states that they talked about in alchemy can be transferred like Jung did into the individuation process or the psychological journey of life.

而银化阶段——再次强调，这是月亮的金属，也被视为一种意识精炼的月相阶段——关乎于在经验与现象的世界中，识别出某种永恒之物的映射。

And the silvering stage, which again would be the metal of the Moon and was also considered kind of a lunar stage of refinement of consciousness has to do with being able to identify within the world of experience and forms the reflection of something eternal.

我认为，对许多人来说，梦境几乎像是一个入口，帮助他们开始以象征性或原型性的方式看待或体验生活。

I think dreams for many people are almost like a gateway into starting to see or experience life as symbolic or archetypal in nature.

我的意思是，如果回溯我早期接触占星学的前兆，最早引起我兴趣的可能就是梦境。

I mean, if I think about the precursor to getting into astrology in my life early on, probably one of the earliest things would be like I was fascinated by dreams.

我曾经写梦境日记之类的东西。

I had a dream journal and stuff like that.

但当我们走遍世界，我常常反思占星学在人们的生活中究竟带来了怎样的心理或精神层面的影响，或无论其他什么。

But as we're going around the world and I reflect often on what is astrology accomplishing for people in their lives psychologically or spiritually or whatever.

每天，当我们关注几位你最喜欢的占星师——无论是YouTube、Instagram还是其他平台——他们都会每月、每周或按其他周期对星象变化进行解读。

And every day as we're So you take in a couple of your astrologer, your favorite astrologers on YouTube or Instagram or wherever you follow them, and they're reflecting on the transits every month or week or whatever.

这种解读，就是这种反思。

And it's that it's that reflection.

这种对正在发生之事的反思行为。

It's that act of reflecting upon something that is that is happening.

我们正在观察，比如说，上周刚刚经历的火星与冥王星的相位。

We're looking at, say, you know, a Mars Pluto transit we just had like last week or whatever.

上周末，我女儿的手指被严重烫伤，而由于占星学，我能够用炼金术的语言，将那一刻‘提纯’，并赋予其心理意义。

And my daughter over the weekend burnt her finger pretty bad, and I was just able to Because of astrology, was able to silver that moment to borrow the alchemical language and psychologize it.

我看到她手指上灼伤的皮肤，映射出我照顾她时的每一个瞬间，以及我过去一周一直在谈论、期待和反思的这种行星组合。

I was able to see reflected in the burn on her finger, her actual flesh, the moment of caring for her and everything, this planetary combination that I'd been talking about and anticipating and reflecting upon for like a week.

对炼金术士而言，这意味着我们如今能够看到经验中某些东西，不仅限于其表面的物理或物质表现，还能将其视为其他、某种更深层的存在。

And for the alchemist, that would mean that there's something of our experience that we're now we're now able to see, not only in terms of its literal physical or material manifestation, but it allows us to reflect upon it as something other, something else.

如此一来，世界便开始像一种充满魔力的月光媒介，我们通过它体验着一切。

And in that way, the world starts to be like this very magical lunar medium through which we're experiencing things.

我认为对很多人来说，这就是占星术不断吸引我们继续关注的原因之一，因为它让我们的经历变得非常梦幻。

And I think that for a lot of people, think that's one of the reasons that astrology keeps us coming back for more is that it just makes your experiences very dreamlike.

它让你的生活充满了魔力。

It makes your life very magical.

你并不总需要对这一切做出解释性的意义，比如我不确定她为什么会烫伤手指，你知道的，或者别的什么，但作为一位家长，对我来说，一方面有实际的担忧，另一方面则有一种强烈的感受：哇，它真的出现了。

And not that you always have to come to an interpretive meaning of it all, like I don't know why she burnt her finger exactly, you know, or or whatever, but there was this, for me as as a parent, there was the literal level of concern, then there was this very like, wow, there it is.

行星就在那里。

There's the planet.

因此，对我来说，观察行星每日运行的整个过程，就像一项非常月亮般的炼金术项目。

So to me, of that, the whole act of reflecting on the daily movements of the planets feels like this very lunar sort of alchemical project.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

而且，你知道，除了作为通往梦境的入口之外，我认为月亮、巨蟹座的月亮也极具灵性和直觉。

And, you know, beyond just also being kind of just like a gateway to dreams, I think that, you know, the Moon, you know, Cancer, the Moon is also very psychic and intuitive.

所以这不仅仅是能够真正解读这些符号和这些梦境状态，还意味着有时你会对超越你自身过程和体验的某种东西产生敏锐的感知。

And so it's not just like literally being able to kind of parse these symbols and these kinds of dream states, but also, you know, sometimes being very kind of attuned to something beyond just, like, your own, I guess, your own process, your own experience.

是的，我的意思是，几年前我曾经有一段时间专门对月亮进行冥想修行，但那完全是出于另一个原因。

And, yeah, I mean, like, there was, like, a brief time a couple years ago when I was I had a devotional practice to the Moon, and it was for a completely different reason.

但其中一个意想不到的副作用是，我开始做些异常灵验的梦。

But one of the kind of unintended side effects is that I started having these strangely psychic dreams.

而且以最奇怪的方式，完全随机，我甚至都难以解释。

And in the weirdest ways, just super random, but I can't even just explain.

比如，我做了一个梦，然后当天就发生了梦里的情景。

Like, you know, I had a dream and then, like, something happened, like, that same day.

或者我梦见某个人在变魔术，梦里他还说了个特定的名字。

Or I had a dream about, like, someone doing a magic trick and, like, he had a specific name in the dream.

我醒来后去搜索了一下，结果发现确实有个YouTube上的魔术师在视频里表演了和我梦中一模一样的魔术。

And then I woke up and I googled and there was a YouTube magician who was doing the same magic trick in a video that I saw in my dream.

我当时就只想问，这到底是怎么回事？

I was just like, what is going on?

你知道的吧？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想到占星师们通常将土星与时间联系在一起，而土星的一个 domicile 位于摩羯座，与巨蟹座相对。

That makes me think of how astrologers tend to associate the planet Saturn with time and Saturn having one of its domiciles in Capricorn opposite to Cancer.

也许这两者之间的联系和张力在于，当你进入梦境状态时，你触及了一个某种意义上超越时间的领域，这个领域一方面能让你与过去相连，让你重新体验那些早已逝去的旧记忆或旧关系，仿佛它们就在当下发生。

Maybe part of the connection there, the contrast and the tension between the two is that when you go into the dream state, you're tapping into a realm that is sort of timeless and some part of the universe that's like timeless in some sense, which in the one hand can connect you with the past and allow you to re experience old memories or old connections with people that might be gone from the past as if you were experiencing that in the present.

但另一方面，有时这种体验会被投射到未来，让你产生一种预知梦的感觉。

But on the other hand, sometimes maybe that gets projected into the future and you get that sense of having a prophetic dream.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a great point.

是的。

Yeah.

而且人们总是喜欢说，巨蟹座的人就是什么都知道。

And also people people love to talk about how Cancers just they just know.

他们就是知道一些事情。

They just know things.

你知道的？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

那是什么？

What is that?

直觉，我们该怎么称呼它？

Intuition, what do we call that?

因为直觉有不同的类型。

Because there's different types of intuition.

有一种几乎是天生的、身体上的直觉或情感直觉，就像情感智慧一样，能预判他人的需求，但也可能具备某种第六感般的预知能力。

There's a natural almost physical intuition or emotional intuition, kind of like emotional intelligence of anticipating the needs of another person, but also maybe being able to anticipate something else that's almost like a sixth sense in some ways.

我不确定这是否与我们所说的灵性连接或其他类似的东西有关。

I don't know if that's connected or if that's separate from what we'd classify as a psychic connection or something.

是的。

Yeah.

对我来说，这似乎又回到了身体层面的觉知，你知道的，月亮与身体有关。

I think for me, kind of goes back to that body level of awareness, you know, with the Moon having to do with the body.

我不确定这是否是一种直觉，因为我觉得直觉更可能与处女座相关，比如水星在肠道位置。

And I don't know if it's a gut instinct thing because I guess that I would almost associate more with Virgo, you know, Mercury in, like, the intestines.

但，是的，我不确定。

But, yeah, I don't know.

也许只是对细微和敏感的事物有所觉察。

Maybe it's just being attuned to the subtle and sensitive.

也许‘敏感’才是这里合适的术语。

Maybe sensitivity is the right term to use here.

巨蟹座，还有天蝎座和双鱼座这些水象星座，在某些方面比其他星座更敏感。

The Cancers, you know, as well as Scorpio and Pisces as water signs are more sensitive in some ways compared to the other signs.

因此，这种敏感性可能让他们察觉到他人忽略的事物，甚至能感知到一些并非仅靠视觉分析得出的线索或正在发生的事情，而是通过其他方式对事物产生敏感。

And therefore maybe that sensitivity allows them to pick up on things that others might overlook and maybe even sensitivities to clues or things that are happening that are not just analytical things of something they've seen with their eyes, but maybe there's other ways that they can be sensitive to things.

我也会想到时间，柏拉图那句著名的话：时间是永恒的运动影像。

I think about time too, Plato's famous statement, Time is the moving image of eternity.

这实际上是对他原文的一种翻译。

That's like a Well, it's a translation of what he wrote.

我想到了月亮，或者说月球意识，总体而言，它对时间的体验是循环的。

And I think of the Moon, solicitor's lunar consciousness in general, if you want to put it that way, and its experience of time is very cyclical.

就时间和体验而言，它们以熟悉的节奏和循环运动，那些看似或感觉具有预言性的事物，几乎是在触碰这种对周期的本能认知，而时间则被体验为不同类型的循环相互作用。

In insofar as time and experience are moving in these familiar rhythms and circles that something that looks or feels prophetic is is almost like tapping into this very instinctual knowledge of cycles and time being experienced as different kinds of circles interacting with one another.

我住在华盛顿特区时，有个朋友写了一本书。

I had a friend when I lived in DC who wrote a book.

我正努力回想它的名字。

I'm trying to remember the name of it.

我想它叫《时间循环》之类的。

I think it was called Time Loops or something like that.

不过话说回来，他当时真的对时间循环这个概念很感兴趣。

But anyway, he was was really interested in the idea that there are time circles.

我一直都觉得这个想法特别有巨蟹座的特质。

And I always found that to be a really Cancerian idea.

我得去看看他的星盘。

I have to look at his chart.

我敢打赌他的星盘里说不定也有几颗星体落在巨蟹座。

Bet he's probably got some Cancer planets too.

不过话说回来，或许正是这种把时间体验成循环往复的状态，赋予了巨蟹座一种奇特的相关直觉。

But anyway, maybe that there's something about time being experienced as as loops and circles that gives Cancer some kind of weird intuition about it.

对。

Yeah.

所以这并不是说——你不一定是接收到了什么全新的信息。

So it's not like you're It's not necessarily that you're receiving new information.

那种感觉更像是一种似曾相识。

It's almost like a familiarity.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为，当我想起来时，好像是荣格谈过直觉和本能之间的区别，它们几乎是两种不同的心理接收方式。

I think I mean, when I think it was like Jung who talked about the difference between intuition and instinct as almost like as two different forms of psychic receptivity.

从这个意义上说，我认为这属于他所描述的本能，即对节奏和循环的熟悉感。

And in this sense, I think it would fall into the way that he described instinct which is like this familiarity with rhythms and cycles.

我相当确定他也是这样描述的。

I'm pretty sure that's how he described it as well.

所以回到之前，我一直打算在这个系列中做的一件事是，给出一个正面的关键词，然后是它的另一面。

So going back, one of the things I always meant to do with this series is to give positive keyword and then the other side of the same coin.

其中一件好事是敏感，因此能察觉到他人的需求，关心房间里其他人的感受，以及他们散发出的情绪，并做出相应的调整。

One of the things that can be a good thing is being sensitive and therefore being sensitive to the needs of others, caring about the other people in the room and what their feeling are or what sort of feelings they're giving off and adapting to that.

但这一面的另一面，有时可能是过于敏感或主观臆断。

But the other side of that coin sometimes can maybe be being overly sensitive or impressionistic.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

你知道，我觉得巨蟹座在各种意义上都很敏感，对这些直觉性的感知很敏感，对他人的情绪很敏感，也容易对 perceived rejection（感知到的拒绝）感到敏感。

You know, I think Cancer is sensitive in, like, every sense of the word, you know, sensitive to, you know, just kind of like these intuitive hits, sensitive to other people's feelings, and just got also kind of sensitive to perceived rejection.

我觉得这其实回到了我们中有些人天生比别人更富有直觉这一点。

And, you know, I think it kinda goes back to how some of us might be born more intuitive than others.

我们每个人都有直觉，但要发展你的直觉力，并分辨什么是真实的感受、什么是单纯的投射，确实需要一些时间。

We all have an intuition, but, you know, it it also takes some time to kind of develop your intuitive muscle and be able to understand the difference between what's a genuine sense and what is just a projection.

因为我觉得，如果我们真要对巨蟹座来一段‘吐槽’的话，我觉得巨蟹座有时候特别擅长伤害自己的感受。

Because I think, you know, if we're kinda gonna we're gonna kind of do a diss track on Cancer, I think Cancers are good at hurting their own feelings sometimes.

这真是

That's a

一种很贴切的说法。

good way of putting it.

太过沉浸在自己的情绪里，太过沉溺于自己的感受。

Being too much too much in one's feelings, too much in one's feels.

或者只是单纯地，是的，感知到别人的能量，好像在把别人的情绪当成针对自己的，或者在脑子里虚构出整个情境，跟根本没发生过的人进行对话。

Or just just kind of, yeah, just kind of perceiving the the energy of someone else as being it's like, you know, kind of taking it personally or just creating like a whole situation in your head or having a conversation in your head with someone that like isn't really happening.

是的。

Yeah.

你提到这个真有意思。

That's funny you mentioned that.

我妻子是个草药师，她经常接触很多草药师。

My my wife is an herbalist and she's around a lot of herbalists.

我听过一位懂占星术的草药师在一场关于草药与巨蟹座关联的讲座中说过的话。

I heard I heard this one herbalist who knew something about astrology giving a talk about herbs and the association associations with Cancer.

我不记得具体是哪些草药了，但他关于巨蟹座说的一句话我永远忘不了：你觉得自己感知到的别人的情绪或想法，很多时候确实准确，但至少有三到四成是你自己在脑子里编出来的。

And I don't remember what the herbs were, but one thing he said about cancer that I'll never forget was, he was like, a lot of what you think you're perceiving in other people, what they're feeling or thinking, you'll be right on, but there's at least 30 to 40% where you're actually making it up in your head.

还有另一个层面，你以为别人能完全看透、理解并感受到你内心的一切，好像你完全透明。

And then there's another level at which you think that other people can know and see and feel exactly what you're feeling and thinking, like you're so transparent.

但实际上，很多时候别人根本不知道你在想什么、感觉什么。

But actually, you know, half the time people have no idea what you're feeling or thinking.

是的。

Yeah.

你必须始终意识到这一点，也就是那个灰色地带——别人看不到你在想什么，你也无法真正了解别人在想什么。

And like you have to always be aware of that like, you know, that that gray spot where no, people can't see what you're thinking and no, you don't know what other people are thinking.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

而也许癌症座之所以会出现偏差，部分原因在于它有时会受过去伤痛或创伤的影响，从而影响它对当下他人行为的判断。

And maybe part of that or the part where Cancer can be off is that sometimes it can be drawing on past hurts or past traumas and letting that sometimes inform its perception of what people are doing to them in the present.

有时候这会导致误解，进而让人倾向于退缩或想要保护自己。

Sometimes that can throw things off and can lead to a tendency to maybe retreat or to want to protect oneself.

但你刚才说的也让我想到，天蝎座也有同样的倾向，只不过这种倾向被放大成了彻底的偏执，仿佛心里筑起一堵墙，上面贴着十张纸，每张纸上都系着线，全是自己凭空编造的完整剧情。

But what you were just saying, also makes me think of because it's like Scorpio also has that same tendency, but there it gets amped up into full blown sometimes paranoia of having a wall that has 10 different pieces of paper with strings attached to it of that meme of people just coming up with full blown scenarios in their head.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

但这是一个非常重要的观点。

But that's a really important point.

我们还能从这个思路中提取出其他哪些方面吗？

Are there other pieces of that that we can extract from that line of thought?

是的。

Yeah.

我认为，敏感也伴随着易怒。

I think with sensitivity also comes irritability.

你知道，这就涉及到情绪化，仿佛一切感觉都变得更响亮了，就像很多感官和体验的音量都被调高了。

You know, it's kind of going to that moodiness of just being, like, you know, like, literally, like, everything just feels louder, like, more like, the volume is kind of turned up on, like, just a lot of sensations and experiences.

因此，这种易怒和敏感在我看来是同一枚硬币的两面。

And so that irritability and that sensitivity are kind of two sides of the same coin, I think.

这还让我想到甲壳类动物的隐喻——一只蛤蜊被一粒沙子刺激，却围绕它孕育出一颗珍珠。

And it also just makes me think about, like, you know, the crustacean metaphor of a clam that gets irritated by a grain of sand, but then it makes a pearl around it.

然后我就在想，我们日常用语中，有没有一句常见的说法？

And then it's like, what is one of our common what you know, in our vernacular, what's one of those common phrases?

我们说‘智慧的珍珠’，这让我想到木星，我觉得。

We say pearls of wisdom, which is Jupiter, I think.

哦，这个说法真棒。

Oh, that's a great one.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想到一个著名的巨蟹座太阳星座人物——弗里达·卡洛。

That makes me think of one famous Cancer Sun sign which is Frida Kahlo.

她有狮子座上升，太阳位于巨蟹座第十二宫，与海王星合相，并广泛与木星合相，但同时也与摩羯座第六宫中一个紧密的火星-天王星合相形成对冲。你刚才用蛤蜊的比喻让我想到了她，因为她一生经历了相当严重的苦难和悲剧，尤其是在受伤和健康问题方面。

And she had Leo rising with the Sun in Cancer in the twelfth house conjunct Neptune and widely conjunct Jupiter, but also opposite to a kind of tight Mars Uranus conjunction in Capricorn in her sixth house and how you using that clam analogy made me think of that just because she went through and suffered some pretty serious hardship and tragedy in her life, especially in terms of injuries and struggles with her health.

但正是从这些经历中，她汲取了巨大的创造力，创作出了极其优美的艺术作品。

But then out of that, she was able to draw on and have tremendous creative potential in order to create really beautiful works of art.

是的，这是个很好的例子。

Yeah, that's a great example.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

这是个很好的思路。

So that's a good line of thought.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

有时候我会把星座和同模式或同三合的其他星座进行比较。

Sometimes I compare the signs to other signs of either the same modality or the same triplicity.

我们之前已经开始把巨蟹座和天蝎座作为同三合的星座进行了一些比较。

And we started comparing a little bit to the same triplicity with Cancer and Scorpio.

你们有没有想到其他关于巨蟹座和天蝎座之间的相似点与差异？

Are there other things that come to mind for each of you that are similarities but differences when it comes to comparing Cancer and Scorpio?

我觉得巨蟹座更偏向防御，而天蝎座则稍微更具攻击性。

Think Cancer is more defensive and Scorpio is a little bit more offensive.

它是具有攻击性的。

It'll Offensive.

天蝎座会主动攻击，而巨蟹座则倾向于退避，除非被逼到角落，或者在保护自己的孩子或在乎的人时。

It'll attack whereas Cancer will kind of retreat unless, like, really kind of pushed into a corner, you know, or, like, you know, defending its young or defending people it cares about.

对。

Right.

巨蟹座倾向于保护，而天蝎座则会在察觉到威胁时，先发制人地采取进攻来保护自己。

So Cancer has a tendency to protect whereas Scorpio's tendency is to protect by going on the offensive first if it sees a threat.

我觉得当我在华盛顿特区时，为不少在政府工作的人做过占星解读，毕竟那是在华盛顿特区。

I feel like there's When I was in DC, I did quite a few readings for people who worked in the government obviously, right in the DC area.

我接触过很多在军队、网络安全和国防部工作的人，他们大多是天蝎座，或者有很强的天蝎座星盘配置。

And I worked with a lot of people who were in the military, cybersecurity, and the defense department who were Scorpios or had really strong Scorpio placements.

所以我觉得这两个星座都有很强的保护欲，只是表现方式不同。

So I feel like there's this real protectiveness to both signs as well, though it's different.

我有点说不清楚。

I'm having a hard time.

这是一种不同的防御特质，我想描述出来，但有点卡住了。

It's like a different quality of defensiveness and I'm trying to figure out how to describe it, but I'm struggling.

天蝎座就像在 spying 敌人，而巨蟹座则在建造掩体来保护所有人。

Scorpio is like spying on the enemy and Cancer is building a bunker to keep everyone safe.

这真好。

That's nice.

太完美了。

That's perfect.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

当然，另一个水象星座是双鱼座。

And then the other water sign of course is Pisces.

我在想巨蟹座和双鱼座之间还有哪些其他的相似与对比。

And I'm trying to think of some other contrasts in terms of similarities between Cancer and Pisces.

我的意思是，它们都能很好地一起放松、享受氛围。

I mean, they can both do a pretty good job of just like vibing and just vibing out with each other.

我认为这可能是巨蟹座和双鱼座作为水象星座的一个共同点。

And I think that can be one of the similarities between Cancer and Pisces as water signs.

我有个玩笑说，巨蟹座其实就是边界感更强的双鱼座。

One of my jokes is that Cancers are basically just Pisces with better boundaries.

更好的边界感。

Better boundaries.

我是开玩笑的。

I'm I'm joking.

但没错，我觉得巨蟹座和双鱼座的关键区别在于，双鱼座真正对所有人敞开怀抱。

But, yeah, I think I think maybe the key difference with Cancer in Pisces is that Pisces is truly welcoming to all.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

就像无边界的爱，而巨蟹座的爱则集中在小圈子里。

Like, it's like love without boundaries, and Cancer directs its love to an inner circle.

你懂的？

You know?

就像那种想法，有些人是在里面，有些人是在外面。

It's like that idea of, like, there are people on the inside and people on the outside.

这是个好观点。

That's a good point.

是的。

Yeah.

是即刻的圈子，内在圈子。

It's immediate circle, inner circle.

对。

Yeah.

巨蟹座有点小圈子、排外的倾向。

It's a little bit of a click of clannishness to Cancer.

definitely.

Definitely.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想到你有没有听说过丹麦词‘hygge’？

It kinda makes me think of have you heard of that Danish word hygge?

拼写是 h-y-g-g-e。

It's spelled h y g g e.

它属于丹麦人的一种心态，就是那种亲密、舒适、团聚的感觉，比如周五晚上和几个你最喜欢的人围坐在篝火旁喝热可可。

And it's it's sort of like it's part of, like, the Danish mentality, just like this idea of, like, closeness and coziness and togetherness and, like, you know, spending Friday night around a fire drinking hot cocoa with, like, a few of, like, your favorite people.

说到我心坎里了。

Speaking my language.

听起来不错。

That sounds good.

是的。

Yes.

但如果你开始深入了解，会发现有人写过评论文章，指出‘hygge’也有阴暗面，因为有时这个概念被极右翼人士利用，用来排斥陌生人群，比如外国人。

But then there's also you know, if you kind of, like, start reading about it, people have written these op eds about how there's kind of a dark side to yoga too because sometimes, like, that concept gets co opted by people, like, on the far right who wanna keep out, like, the unfamiliar people, like the foreigners.

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

这就像是民族主义，可能会被以这些有害的、甚至暴力的方式所利用。

It's like it's like a nationalistic it can it can be kind of co opted in these kinds of, you know, harmful or just kind of violent ways.

这真的很有趣，斯蒂芬，因为我从小在明尼苏达长大，我觉得明尼苏达的历史里肯定有些阴暗面。

That's really interesting, Steph, because as someone who grew up in Minnesota, which I feel like I feel like Minnesota's, like, gotta have some cancer in its in its history.

但明尼苏达有个很有趣的说法，人们会告诉你：你可以向任何人问路，他们都会是你见过最友善、最温柔的人，会帮你指路，但他们就是不会带你去他们家。

But Minnesota is described as There's this funny saying that people will give you which is like, you can ask directions to get somewhere from absolutely anyone and they will be the kindest, sweetest person you've ever met, help you get directions, they just won't give you directions at their house.

我觉得明尼苏达就是这样，非常地方主义，很难建立紧密的纽带，因为那里的关系早就根深蒂固，形成于中段地区。

And I feel like Minnesota is like that where it's it's like this very it's very parochial, you know, and it's hard to develop tight knit bonds because they're already really long standing and formed in the Midway.

我觉得可能不只是中西部整体如此，但它确实温暖又热情，却又相当排外。

I don't think maybe it's just the Midwest in general, but like but it's it's very warm and and inviting, but can be also like really clannish.

有趣的是，明尼苏达虽然是个蓝州，但如果你走出大都会区，就完全是红州了。

And it's interesting that like, know, we're like a blue state in Minnesota, but if you go outside of the metro area, it's completely red.

因此，明尼苏达在投票倾向上的这种分裂方式非常奇特。

So it's this very weird breakdown of the way that people vote in Minnesota in that regard too.

所以我觉得这有点像那样。

So it strikes me as sort of like that.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我小时候在明尼苏达州住了四年。

I actually lived in Minnesota for four years when I was a kid.

那可能是我唯一真正离开东海岸生活过的经历。

That was probably, like, the only time I really, like, lived outside of the East Coast.

我不确定你是在哪里长大的。

And I don't know where you grew up.

我想我当时住在明尼阿波利斯的一个郊区，那段记忆就是有很多邻居家的孩子当朋友。

I I guess I was living in, a suburb of Minneapolis, and I just like, my memory of that time is just like, you know, having tons of friends who are neighborhood kids.

后来搬到东海岸后，我的经历却恰恰相反，人们都更内向、更独立。

And then like moving to the East Coast, I actually had like the opposite experience where like people were way more to themselves.

哦，有意思。

Oh, interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

所以也许我们在这里捕捉到了一个与感伤观念相关的主题，还有一个术语，即巨蟹座，它倾向于紧紧依附于纽带，以及通过某种祖先血脉联系起来的事物，对巨蟹座而言，找到某种过去的联系并被那些看似相似、或被其感知为相同、或具有某种亲和力的事物所吸引，是非常重要的。

So maybe we're picking up on a theme there that goes back to the notion of sentimentality, there's another term, just Cancer going back to and really having a tendency to cling to bonds and the things that connected it through some sort of ancestral lineage and that being a really important thing to Cancer to find some sort of past connection and then to gravitate towards that which seems similar or that which is the same in some way that it perceives as the same or that it perceives as having some sort of affinity with.

克里斯，你这么说的时候，我脑海中突然闪现了一个念头，因为我开始想到第三宫，我们可能还没怎么讨论过它，但那就是这个地方。

That really triggered a spark in my mind when you said that, Chris, because I just started thinking about the third house, which we maybe haven't talked about a whole lot yet, but that's the place.

第三宫在古代被称为‘月亮的喜悦’，如果有人不知道的话。

The third house was called the Joy Of The Moon, in case people don't know.

在现代占星学中，我们可能会把第三宫与双子座或水星联系起来。

And so we you know, in modern astrology, we might think of like the third a lot of people think of the third house in relation to Gemini or Mercury.

在古代占星学中，实际上会考虑月亮位于这个宫位的情况。

In ancient astrology, there's there's a consideration of the Moon in that house actually.

这有点不一样。

It's kind of different.

我认为月亮和水星之间其实也有一些有趣的相似之处。

And I think there's some interesting similarities actually too between Moon and Mercury and so forth.

但关于这一点，人们经常会问：月亮和第三宫有什么关系呢？

But one of the things that's really interesting about that, people will say, well, what does the Moon have to do with the third house?

如果你把第三宫看作是紧邻第四宫的地方，而第四宫代表根源、家、土地、你的客厅——所有那些深刻而熟悉的家园感，

And if you think about the third house as this place that's sort of adjoining the fourth, and let's say the fourth is the roots, it's home, it's land, it's your living room, it's everything that's like that that deep familiar home place.

那么紧邻它的第三宫，几乎就是围绕着这些根源的一切，所有与根源紧密相连、邻近的事物，比如你的邻居。

But then the third place that's adjoining it, there's almost this idea of everything that circumambulates around the roots, everything that's joined to the roots in close proximity to it, like your neighbors.

或者，如果你和兄弟姐妹一起长大，你们都属于同一个根源，但各自向外扩散，围绕着这个根源生活。

Or if you grow up with siblings, you're all a part of the same roots, but you all disperse outward around the roots.

我想象在古代，我妹妹住在北卡罗来纳州，而我住在明尼苏达州。

I'm imagining in the ancient world my sister lives in North Carolina, I live in Minnesota.

但在古代，如果你考虑兄弟姐妹如何从家中向外分散，你们很可能仍然相距不远。

Probably in the ancient world, if you're thinking about how your siblings dispersed outward from the home, you're probably all still relatively close.

我不知道，我家族在密歇根州，我祖父那一代，所有兄弟姐妹都彼此相距大约五十分钟车程。

I don't know, my family in Michigan, my grandpa's generation, all of the siblings were all within maybe fifty minutes of each other.

他们都很接近。

They were all relatively close.

你把第三宫看作是所有依附于第四宫的事物，第三宫似乎依附于第四宫。

You're thinking of the third house as everything that kind of adheres to, like the third house is sort of adhering to the fourth.

它围绕着根部依附或环绕。

It sort of adheres to or circumambulates around the roots.

如果我这样想的话，这确实有一种很月亮的特质。

And there's something really lunar about that if if I think about it in that way.

你知道的。

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

而且第三宫还关联着一个人的邻里和周围区域。

And then it's also, you know, like the associate the association of the third house with one's neighborhood and, like, like, the surrounding area.

所以这就是你所有日常活动的范围。

So it's like all of your habitual stomping ground.

你知道的。

You know?

就像是去上班的路。

It's like the walk to the work.

就像是去地铁站的路。

It's like the walk to the subway.

那是你最喜欢的咖啡店。

It's your favorite coffee shop.

还有，你知道的，第三宫还与日常的仪式和习惯相关。

Also, you know, the third house being associated with, like, daily ritual and practice.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，再次地，你是在重复某种行为。

And so, again, you're kinda going back to repetitive motion.

一种奉献的精神，那种感觉，是的。

Devotion, that quality of like, yeah.

是的，这很棒。

Yeah, that's great.

我曾在推特上发起过一项投票，询问人们会用哪些关键词来描述巨蟹座。

One of the keywords I put out a poll just asking people what keywords they associate with Cancer on Twitter.

其中有人提到的关键词是温柔和害羞。

And one of them that people mentioned was soft and also shy.

我觉得这些关键词非常有意思。

I thought those are really interesting keywords.

在《雅瓦纳贾塔卡》这部早期印度占星文献中，他们并没有用阴阳或昼夜来划分星座，而是说奇数星座是坚硬的，偶数星座是温柔的。

In the Yavanajataka, in the early Indian tradition, instead of assigning the odd and the even signs to gender saying masculine or feminine or instead of saying diurnal and nocturnal, they said that the odd signs were hard and the even signs were soft.

对于巨蟹座而言，这种区分很有意思，因为巨蟹座是夜象星座，也是水象星座，确实具有这种温柔的特质，这种温柔可以体现在生活的多个层面，与那些让你感到刺痛或粗粝的事物形成对比。

And it's kind of an interesting distinction here when it comes to Cancer because Cancer as a nocturnal sign and a water sign does have this soft quality to it that can be applied on many different levels of the idea of what is soft in your life and the way that that comes off as opposed to those things in your life that are abrasive in some way.

是的，这是个很好的观点。

Yeah, that's a good point.

这让我回想起斯蒂芬之前提到的那个视觉隐喻，不过我现在记不清是谁说的了。

It goes back to that visual metaphor I think Steph said earlier which was Or I can't remember who said it now.

但如果你思考夜间的空间和光线的特质，你会想到月亮升起时，根据其明亮程度，你看到的是星光与月光的混合。

But if you think about the nocturnal space and the quality of light, you're thinking about kind of When the Moon's out, oftentimes depending on how bright it is, you're getting a mixture of starlight and moonlight.

因此，天空给人一种村庄般灯火、社区、城市的感觉，或者说是许多光点的集合。

So there's this feeling of the the sky being like a village of lights or a community or a city or like a It's many though.

它是许多的。

It's it's many.

而夜间的光线特质更加柔和，事物之间的界限——比如树和石头之间的区别——变得更加模糊。

And the light quality is very much more There's there's much more fluidity between things like the difference between the tree and the rock is more fluid.

在白天，那棵树，那块石头，界限分明。

In the daytime, it's like that tree, that rock.

因此，在夜间空间中，一切仿佛都交融在一起，我想这大概就是‘柔软’这一概念的来源。

So there's something about that nocturnal space where everything sort of swims together and I think that's probably where some of the soft the idea of the softness comes from.

有趣的是，月亮也与选民、城市、村庄或那些涉及集体性的事物相关联。

It's interesting to note that the Moon would also be related with like the voters or the city or the village or things that have to do with like the something something more of a collection or something like that.

总之，我开始跑题了。

Anyway, I'm I'm starting to go off.

但没错，夜间光线的柔和感确实会让人想到这一点。

But yeah, the softness comes to mind with the nocturnal light quality.

我非常喜欢这个‘灯火村庄’的比喻，太棒了。

I love I love this that metaphor of the village of lights is so good.

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢‘柔和’这个概念，因为你说得对。

I like the the notion of softness because you're right.

白天的时候，你中午出去站在外面，阳光直射过来，有一种非常刺眼、强烈的感觉；但如果你在满月的夜晚出门，月亮悬在天空正中，你依然能感受到那种光线——这很重要，因为月亮就像是太阳系的中心，而光线对生命整体至关重要，所有植物的生长都依赖于它。

In the day, you like go out at noon and stand outside, the Sun when it's hitting you has this really abrasive intense quality versus if you go out at night during a full Moon and the Moon is in the middle of the sky, you're still getting that light which is important because that's kind of just like the center of the solar system and light plays such an important role for life in general and all plants grow as a result of life.

但在夜晚，这种光线更加柔和，以一种间接的方式提供支持，同时依然保有照明功能。

But at night, it is this softer light that's more supportive while still providing some light in a sort of indirect way.

对。

Yep.

好的。

All right.

其他关键词，我正在调出其他内容。

Other keywords, I'm pulling up other things.

害羞会是巨蟹座的一个好关键词吗？

Is shy like a good keyword would you say for Cancer as a tendency?

我的感觉是，这可能是巨蟹座第一宫的特质，但我知道我们不会深入探讨这些细节。

I mean, I feel like I've that might be like a first decan of Cancer thing, but I know we're not really gonna get into the weeds of that.

我想这有时要看情况。

I guess it depends sometimes.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这又回到了我们刚才提到、之前也讨论过的日月区别：当你想到狮子座，太阳是狮子座的守护星，我们作为个体，是独特的、特别的。

I feel like it goes back to that solar lunar distinction we were just talking about and that we brought up earlier as well, which is if you think about Leo and the Sun being the ruler of Leo and this idea that we are, as an individual, I'm select, I'm unique.

我如何脱颖而出？

How do I stand out?

我如何确立自己的角色或留下遗产？如何在某件事上变得卓越，甚至出名，或者类似的事情？

How do I carve out my role or my legacy or how do I become masterful at something or maybe even famous or whatever?

独自站立、与众不同这个概念非常像太阳，就像天空中那个创造所有清晰界限的唯一物体。

The idea of standing alone, standing apart is very like solar, like the one object in the sky that creates all these very clear distinctions between things.

我认为，当你想到月亮，并把你的生活看作一个生态系统时，对吧？

I think the the When you think of the Moon and you think of your life as an ecology, right?

我的生活是一个环境，我只是其中的一部分。

My life is about an environment that I'm just one part of.

它可能是我的家庭、朋友、社区或人际关系。

It's my family or it's my friends or it's my community or it's my relationships.

月亮可能是婚姻的一个象征，也可能是家、土地或类似事物的象征。

The Moon is one of the signifiers potentially of marriage or it could be a symbol for home or land or something like that.

但我觉得害羞被归入其中的原因，再次是因为那种光的特质更安静，更像是‘我只是某个更大整体中的一部分’，也许有一种退回到更集体性事物中的感觉，这可能就是害羞。

But think the reason that shyness gets tucked in there is, again, because of that light quality is quieter and it's more like I'm just a part of something here, I'm just a part of something bigger than me, And maybe there's a sense of receding back into something more collective, and that could be shyness.

但当我们意识到，对某些人来说，成为某个整体的一部分并不一定等同于害羞，比如对某种社会或文化结构有强烈认同，可能更偏向群体认同时，这就变成了一种刻板印象。

But I think it becomes a stereotype when we recognize that for some people, that being a part of something is not necessarily the same as being shy, like being a part of some kind of fabric socially or culturally or something like that, which they could be really strongly identified with, maybe more of a group identification or something.

也许这会减弱作为突出个体或极度外向的感觉，但我并不认为这必然意味着一个人会害羞。

Maybe it decreases the sense of being a standout individual or super extroverted, but I don't think it necessarily means that a person would be shy.

是的

Yeah.

这就像作为一个核心与作为一个卫星之间的区别。

It's the difference between being a nucleus and being sort of a satellite.

是的

Yeah.

对

Right.

几乎是在扮演支持角色，而不是渴望站在聚光灯下。

And being in a support role almost rather than wanting to take center stage.

羞怯这个概念的核心本质是什么？

What is the core underlying shyness just as a concept in general?

这几乎是一种害怕展现自我的情绪恐惧，而不是像狮子座那样强烈渴望把自己推到人群中央的聚光灯下。

It would be almost an emotional fear of putting oneself out there as opposed to let's say more of a Leo type thing of really wanting to thrust oneself into the center stage in the middle of a crowd.

是的，我觉得这是对这个概念相当不错的定义。

Yeah, I think that's a pretty good way of defining.

我觉得，一方面有一种疑问，即我与集体或群体有何不同，另一方面又存在一种需要，即我们渴望归属于某些群体。

I feel like there's a sense of how am I different from a collective or a group and then there's the need to have groups that we identify with.

类似地，我从来不喜欢瑜伽中有时会说的那些话，比如你不是你的身体，你不是这一生中任何一种你所认同的类别，你是一个永恒的精神灵魂，不要执着于 blah blah blah。

In a similar sense, I've never liked in yoga for example that sometimes yoga teachings will go along the lines of you're not your body, you're not any kind of category that you become identified with in this lifetime, you're this eternal spirit soul, don't get attached to blah blah blah.

但我总是想，是的，我能理解不那么过度认同我们人格的任何方面所带来的好处或实用性，否则我们会一直像坐过山车一样起伏不定。

And I'm always like, yeah, I mean, I could see the benefit or utility of not getting so overly identified with any aspect of our personhood that we are riding a roller coaster all the time.

但与此同时，我认为我们确实就是这些。

But at the same time, I think that we are.

我们也是由所有塑造我们的因素构成的，包括我们成长的家庭、我们经历的创伤，以及让我们独一无二的事物。

We also are all of the things that make us up from the kind of family we grew up in, to the wounds that we've experienced, to the things that make us unique.

因此，在某种意义上，我们是完全独特、无限个体的。

So there's some way in which we're utterly totally unique, infinitely individual.

但另一方面，我们总是会被归类为我们所属于的群体的一部分。

But then there's this other sense in which we're always going to be identified as what we're a part of.

我觉得这某种程度上正是日月动态在发挥作用。

I I feel like that's kind of also the the Sun Moon dynamic at play.

是的

Yeah.

我也觉得，所谓的害羞可能只是倾向于先感知环境，你知道的，就像人们常说的那样，先读一下现场气氛。

And I also think that maybe some shyness, like the what can be seen as shyness might just be like the tendency to want to sort of sense your environment, you know, and just kind of just kind of, you know, like, read the room as people say.

所以，当你进入一个新情境时，并不会立刻试图大张旗鼓地登场。

And so, like, you're not kind of going into a new situation, like, immediately trying to, like, make an entrance.

你只是慢慢走进去，心里想：好吧。

You're going in and just kind of like, alright.

这里整体氛围怎么样？

Like, what's the vibe over here?

那边谁看起来挺有意思，可以聊聊？

Who seems cool to talk to over there?

这个人看起来愿意和我交谈吗？

Does this person seem like they wanna talk to me?

明白了。

Okay.

也许我们有共同点，可以相处得来。

Maybe we have something in common we can kind of get along.

对。

Right.

也许一旦建立了这种联系，巨蟹座就能完全展现出来，或者在私密环境中，比如在朋友小圈子里，那种害羞的伪装就会消失，因为周围氛围和舒适感已经到位，它就能更有信心做自己。

And maybe once that's established, then Cancer is able to fully come out or fully show itself once the boundaries or maybe even in private perhaps in a circle of friends like any pretense of shyness is dropped because the sort of vibe of the crowd in the room and the feeling of comfort is there so it can have more confidence to be itself.

是的。

Yeah.

这真有趣。

That's funny.

我在想我和我妻子的互动模式，她有很多行星落在白羊座，对吧？

I'm thinking of my wife and I in our dynamic, she's got a bunch of planets in Aries, right?

她是巨蟹座上升，但在需要细心体察、慢慢感受的情境中，她总会看着我说：‘你来处理这个吧。’

She's Cancer rising, but if we're in situations that require a lot of care and nuanced feeling out of things, she'll always look at me like, You handle this one.

而一旦遇到让我手足无措、急需快速处理的情况，我就会说：‘好吧，这个你来搞定。’

And if there's ever a situation where it's like, Oh, man, I am overwhelmed and something needs to be get done quickly, and I'll just be like, Okay, you've got this one.

因为她会直接冲进去，根本不在乎别人怎么想、怎么感觉，就是直接说或做。

Because she'll just go in and she doesn't care what they're thinking or feeling or what, she'll just like say stuff or do stuff.

我总是想，天啊，你刚刚那样做了，我可不敢这么做，你知道吗？

And I'm always like, oh my god, you just did I would be so scared to do that, you know?

所以我们总是互相看着，试图分清楚：这个你来，那个我来。

And so so we're always like looking at each other trying to figure out like, okay, you got this one, I got this one.

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

这真是天秤座和白羊座之间一个很好的联系。

That's a good connection between Cancer and Aries.

因为白羊座，我们在那一集里提到的一个关键词就是速度和迅捷，因为这些正是火星和白羊座作为主动星座的核心特质。

And because Aries, that was one of the keywords that we came up with that I thought was so good in that episode was speed and quickness because those are just like such core things to Mars and to Aries as a cardinal sign.

你提到这一点真的很有趣。

That's really interesting that you bring that up.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我认为太阳在白羊座也处于旺相，所以这可能也带来了一些太阳与月亮之间的区别。

And I guess the Sun is exalted in Aries too, so it gives a little bit of a Sun Moon distinction as well maybe.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

好的。

All right.

所以其他在推特上提到的关键词，我直接念给你听听，看看你们觉得怎么样：谦逊、慷慨、理解、善良、有同情心，以及关心。

So other keywords that came up on Twitter, and I'll just run these by you to see what you both think are humbleness, generous, understanding, kind hearted, compassionate, and concern.

你们对这些关键词有什么看法？或者它们是否引发了你们对整体原型的任何想法？

How do you feel about those keywords or does that spark any thoughts in you about the overarching archetype?

我觉得大多数这些词

Think Oh, most of those

说吧。

go ahead.

说吧。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

抱歉，说的是白羊座。

Sorry, in Aries.

因为白羊座是我们之前提到的一个关键词，我觉得那集里‘速度’和‘敏捷’这个词特别好。

Because Aries, that was one of the keywords that we came up with that I thought was so good in that episode was speed and quickness.

这些确实是火星和白羊座作为开创性星座的核心特质。

Those are just such core things to Mars and to Aries as a cardinal sign.

你提到这一点真的很有趣。

That's really interesting that you bring that up.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我猜太阳在白羊座也处于尊位，这或许也带来了一些太阳与月亮之间的细微区别。

And I guess the Sun is exalted in Aries too, it gives a little bit of a Sun Moon distinction as well maybe.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

所以其他在推特上出现的关键词，我来念给你听听，看看你们觉得怎么样：谦逊、慷慨、理解、善良、有同情心，以及关心。

So other keywords that came up on Twitter, and I'll just run these by you to see what you both think are humbleness, generous, understanding, kind hearted, compassionate, and concern.

你们对这些关键词有什么看法？或者它们是否引发了你们对这个整体原型的任何想法？

How do you feel about those keywords or does that spark any thoughts in you about the overarching archetype?

我觉得，大多数这些

Think Oh, most of those

说吧。

go ahead.

说吧。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

你先说。

You go ahead.

哦，我本来想说，我觉得这些词大多都贴切。

Oh, I was just gonna say I think most of those track.

我不确定自己是否清楚谦逊这部分是从哪里来的。

I'm not sure if I necessarily see where the humility part is coming from.

是的，我想我也可以接受这种说法。

Yeah, I guess I could entertain that.

我想，再次强调，这又回到了与狮子座对比这一点上。

I guess, again, it just goes back to that thing of maybe in contrast with Leo.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

如果狮子座常被认为在某种程度上是最不谦逊的星座，最倾向于以自我为中心，而与之形成对比的是将他人置于中心、充当支持者或某种附属角色，那么这在某种程度上也可以被理解为一种谦逊的表现。

Where if Leo is often considered to be like, I don't know, the least humble sign in some ways or the tendency to center oneself the most if the contrast with that is centering somebody else or acting as a support or sort of satellite to something else, then that could be conceptualized as a sort of variety of humbleness in some way.

狮子座和巨蟹座之间在慷慨这一特质上存在着一种非常有趣的关系。

There's such an interesting dynamic around generosity in Leo and Cancer.

因为我认为这两个星座都可以被相当准确地描述为慷慨的。

Because both signs I think could be fairly described as generous.

没错。

Definitely.

而且有时候我觉得，这两个星座的慷慨中可能暗含着一种隐蔽的自私。

And and like sometimes I think that there's like a covert selfishness with the generosity that could be there in both signs.

比如，我在自己身上——作为巨蟹座——就察觉到这种倾向。

Like, least I recognize that in in, you know, like, myself as a Cancer.

是的。

I'm like, yeah.

有时候我表现得慷慨，是因为我希望得到某种回报。

You know, sometimes I'm generous, but it's because I'm hoping for something in return.

你明白我的意思吗？

Know what I mean?

你知道我的意思吧？

Well You know what I mean?

巨蟹座希望被需要，狮子座希望被欣赏。

Cancer wants to feel needed and Leo wants to feel appreciated.

是的，正是如此。

Yes, exactly.

对。

Yeah.

这非常好。

It's really good.

对。

Yeah.

被需要。

Needed.

需要，这到底意味着什么？或者有哪些相关的关键词可以描述巨蟹座这种被需要的感觉？这种感觉是从哪里来的？

Needed, what does that mean or or what are some related keywords for that of Cancer or or where that comes from to feel needed?

我想这或许可以追溯到有些人所谓的养育或母性本能。

I guess that kind of goes back to what some people might consider like a nurturing or a mothering instinct.

对吧？

Right?

我认为有些人过于强调巨蟹座的母性特质，但并不是每个人天生都有这种本能。

I think that sometimes people kind of focus overly on the maternal qualities of Cancer and not everyone has that instinct necessarily.

但我认为月亮原型的本质就是对感知到的人的需求做出回应，并且想要提供你所需要的东西——我只是在想，比如那些人，当你在工作时，能感觉到团队需要你做某件事，你就主动去做了。

But I think that the lunar archetype is kind of just responsive to what it senses people need and, like, it wants to kind of provide, you know, what you know, I'm just thinking about people who, like, just do you know, kind of, like, sense that, like, oh, like, maybe, like, I'm at work, and I can sense that, like, my team needs me to do this, and I'm just gonna do it.

这是一种倾向于支持他人、提供他人所需事物的倾向。

And I I like, it's this kind of tendency to, like, be supportive and to to provide, you know, what the what people need.

是的。

Yeah.

或许作为整体的一部分，为某事物提供滋养。

To to give sustenance to something maybe as part of the overarching thing.

巨蟹座和处女座之间可能存在某种相似性，处女座是狮子座之后的下一个夜间星座，处女座的人也非常乐于助人，尤其是在处理日常事务或机械性任务时，他们觉得自己在为他人提供支持。

And there can be kind of a similarity between Cancer and Virgo, is the next nocturnal sign after Leo where Virgos can also be really helpful especially in terms of doing day to day things or mechanical things that they feel like are playing some sort of support role for another person.

我们在巨蟹座的许多滋养和给予 sustenance 的关键词中，也看到了类似的模式。

We see something similar here with a lot of the nourishing and giving sustenance keywords for Cancer.

是的。

Yeah.

我想到了《易经》中的第四十八卦。

I think of hexagram number 48 in the I Ching.

你们刚才谈话的时候，我就想到了这一卦，这一卦叫做‘井’。

This was coming to mind as you guys were just talking in and that hexagram is called The Well.

你们可能不知道《易经》是什么，它是中国古代的经典之一。

You guys people don't know what the I Ching is, it's like one of the ancient Chinese classics.

它是一部哲学著作，后来也被用作一种近乎占卜或预言性的工具。

It's like a philosophical text and later was also used in kind of a as a almost like a oracular romantic device.

总之，它由不同的卦象组成，这些卦象是六条阴阳线相互作用形成的，象征着人生中各种原型性的阶段。

Anyway, it's comprised of these different hexagrams that are that are six lined figures of yin and yang lines interacting that create all these different archetypal stages of life.

第四十八卦，名为井，意思是村庄离不开水井。

And the forty eighth hexagram called The Well says basically the village can't do without the well.

就像村庄里的一切都必须围绕着水井展开，这是每个人都需要的共同之物，也就是水。

Like everything in the village has to be centered around the well, this common thing that everyone needs, you know, water.

我觉得巨蟹座的人就是这样，至少我在自己身上也看到了这种特质——我们总是不断试图让自己处于一种不可或缺的位置。

And I feel like the thing about Cancerians is that you're you know, at least I recognize this in myself and so forth, that we know it's like you're constantly trying to place yourself in a position such that people couldn't do without you.

你知道，你对村庄、家庭、宗族或社区来说都是至关重要的。

You know, like you're vital somehow to the village, to the family, to the clan, to the community.

这又回到了那种作为生态一部分的感觉。

It goes back to that sense of being a part of an ecology.

有时候，巨蟹座的慷慨确实是源于他们所提供的东西像井水一样珍贵，是一种人人都需要的丰沛给予。

And sometimes the generosity is truly because there's something well like about what cancers provide and it's an overflowing sense of something that everyone needs.

而另一些时候，则是为了确保自己始终处于核心位置，因为如果这就是我的角色，那我必须确保村庄没有我就无法运转。

And I think other times it's about making sure that you you know, it's like, well, if that's the role I play, then I have to make sure I'm always in a central position so that the village can't exist without me.

我就是那口井，或者你能不能注意到，我有时会不自觉地承担起这样的角色？

I'm I'm the well, or you kind of can I can notice myself taking that on sometimes?

是的

Yeah.

我非常喜欢这一点，因为水具有赋予生命和维持生命所必需的特质。在古代，城市必须拥有水井才能获得饮用水；一些伟大的文明也围绕着大河发展起来，比如美索不达米亚的底格里斯河和幼发拉底河，印度的印度河文明，以及其他世界各地的主要文明，它们都因对水的依赖——用于生存、耕种和一切生命活动——而集中在河流附近。

I love that because of the life giving quality and necessity of water in order to give and support life and how in ancient times, you did have cities that would need to have a well for drinkable water or how you had some great civilizations that grew up around these major rivers like the Tigris and the Euphrates and Mesopotamia or in India, the Indus Valley civilization and other major civilizations that came up in different parts of the world that tended to focus on rivers because of the need of water for sustenance and just growing crops and life and everything else.

水有一种谦逊的特质，因为它总是流向低处，汇聚成水库。

There's something about water that's humble in the sense that water is always running downhill toward like a reservoir.

我刚刚在想水井和谦逊之间的联系，也许正因为水总是流向最低点并聚集在那里，才存在某种关联。

Like I was just thinking about the well and humility and maybe there's some association there somehow with the fact that water runs down to the lowest point and gathers somehow.

对

Right.

但水依然顺应自然规律，就像亚里士多德或柏拉图所说的：火向上飘升，空气也向上，但空气会停留在火的下方。

And yet still conforms to because it's like on the Aristotelian or sort of Platonic notion of fire rises up to the top, air rises up as well, but it settles just below fire.

然后是土，在亚里士多德的宇宙观中，土会沉降到宇宙的最低处，也就是宇宙的中心。

Then you have earth that falls down to the lowest part of the cosmos to the center of the cosmos in Aristotelian cosmology.

而水则停留在土的上方，顺应土的形状。

And then you have water that settles right on top of and takes the shape of Earth right on top of it.

对。

Right.

所以，从某种意义上说，这也体现了你的适应性或谦逊——你选择顺应其他事物的形状，而不是强加自己的形式或结构。

So there's your adaptability or your humbleness in some ways as well in terms of just taking on the shape of something else rather than imposing its own form or its own shape on something else.

对。

Right.

这让我想到第三宫的关联，我试着回忆几年前上德梅特拉关于第三宫的课，那时她提到第三宫与女王和习俗规则有关，比如一个城市或村庄中人们对待他人的方式，或是对待来访客人的传统习俗之类的。

That seems to go into the third house association with I'm trying to remember what I remember taking Demetra's class on the third house a couple of years ago, I think it was at this point, and her talking about how the third house would be associated with the queen and rules that would be customary in how you treat people, almost like the folk traditions or rules that would be common for a city or a village or the way you treat guests who come into your home or something like that.

水汇聚在根部并与大地融合，这种意象与民间传统有着某种联系。

There's something like very The idea of the water collecting down at the roots and forming with the earth has this connection to things that are folky.

那会是谁呢？

And who was it?

我想可能是琼·贝兹，她的太阳或月亮落在巨蟹座且位于第三宫，我觉得是这样。

I think it was even like I'm trying to think of It was Joan Baez who had the sun or moon in Cancer in the third house, I think it was.

我可能记错了。

I might be messing that up.

她的太阳或月亮落在第三宫。

She has a third house sun or moon.

她常被认为是民谣复兴运动或民谣根源复兴的关键人物之一，我想是这么叫的。

She's often attributed with being one of the pivotal figures at the folk Roots Revival music or Folk Roots Revival, I think it was called.

她参与了一场民谣音乐的复兴运动。

It was like a folk music revival that she was part of.

好的。

Okay.

让我们看看其他关键词，回到我整个推特列表。

Let's see other keywords just going back to my whole Twitter list.

我们已经讨论了很多积极的关键词，但我一直希望保持平衡，不贬低任何一个星座。

We've talked about a lot of the positive ones and one of the ones I always want to keep it balanced without trashing any one sign.

但我正在寻找一些人们提交的更具挑战性的关键词。

But I'm looking for some of the more challenging keywords that people submitted.

他们提到的一个关键词是回避、防御，还有人提交了‘粘人’这个词。

One of them that they mentioned was avoidant, defensive, and sometimes clingy was another keyword that people submitted.

我并不是总说推特上的关键词就是占星及其象征意义的最好、最终答案，因为有时大众对某些星座的普遍看法在流行占星中并不好。

And I'm not always saying that the keywords from Twitter are the best And final word on the subject of astrology and significations because sometimes the general ideas that people have floating around of certain signs are not very good in pop astrology.

但你对这三个词有什么看法？或者它们引发了你什么想法吗？

But how do you feel about those three, or does that raise any thoughts on you?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我觉得这可能对巨蟹座上升的人最适用，但想想宫位衍生关系和星座之间的关联。

I mean, I think this might be most true for the Cancer rising experience, but just thinking about how derivative houses work and the sign relationships.

巨蟹座上升的人，土星掌管第七宫和第八宫。

Cancer rising has Saturn ruling the seventh and the eighth house.

因此，我的理解是，这是一种‘至死不渝’的关系。

And so my take on that is it's sort of like till death to us part.

你知道，你会把忠诚推向极致。

You know, it's like you kind of take the loyalty to an extreme.

所以这是一种永恒的纽带，对吧？

And so it's these kinds of forever bonds, you know?

所以我觉得这可能会被解读为有点粘人，因为，你知道，我不太确定。

And so I think that could be interpreted as being kind of clingy because, you know, I think I don't know.

这要看情况。

It depends.

因为一方面，巨蟹座确实非常认真对待亲密关系，并且希望长期维持这些关系。

Because I think on one hand, Cancers do take their intimate relationships very seriously, and they kind of want to maintain them over time.

我还个人观察到巨蟹座能量的另一点，那就是当巨蟹座真的决定结束一段关系时，他们是彻底结束了。

There's also something that I've personally observed with Cancer energy, I guess, where I think when a Cancer is done with someone, like, they're really done.

你知道的？

You know?

我听说过这种现象被称为‘关门’。

Like, I've heard that referred to as a door slam.

所以，如果他们身处关系中，情绪可能会非常强烈，但一旦情况转变，情绪也可能剧烈地转向相反的方向。

So the emotions can be really intense if they're in the relationship, but then if that shifts, that can go really intensely in the opposite direction as well.

是的。

Yeah.

就像墙竖起来了，对吧？

Like the wall goes up, right?

外壳。

The shell.

所以我觉得这就是所谓的，你知道的，我想另一个关键词是。

And so I think that's kind of what, you know, I think the other keyword was.

那是什么来着？

Which What was it again?

让我想想。

Let's see.

回避、防御，我觉得依恋是我刚才说的三个词。

Avoidant and defensive and I think clingy were the three that I just said.

是的。

Yeah.

就好像你是属于内圈还是外圈？

It's like I I guess it's like are you are you in the inner circle or the outer circle?

这将在很大程度上定义你与癌症相处的经历。

That's gonna kind of define your experience with Cancer.

对。

Right.

如果你被排除在外，想要重新进入内圈可能会很困难，甚至不可能。

And it may be hard, if not impossible, to get back in the inner circle if you've been shut out.

有可能。

Possibly.

这有点像，如果你从柏拉图式的角度思考月下领域、洞穴寓言中囚徒被墙上的影子所吸引的情形。

There's something sort of like If you think almost about the sublunary sphere in the sort of Platonic sense, the allegory of the cave and the prisoner being enamored by the shadows on the wall.

然后，假设柏拉图洞穴寓言中的这个囚徒挣脱了束缚，走出洞穴，看到了永恒形式的光明等等。

And then let's say this prisoner in the Platonic allegory of the cave gets out of their bonds and leaves the cave and sees the light of the eternal forms and so forth.

他回到洞穴，试图告诉其他人：嘿，你们知道洞穴外面还有一个世界吗？

He goes back in the cave and he's trying to tell the other people, hey, did you know that there's this place outside of the cave?

柏拉图说，这个获释的人回到洞穴时必须小心，因为囚徒们被搅扰后可能会杀了他。

And Plato says that the prisoner has to be careful freed person has to be careful going back into the cave because the prisoners being disturbed could kill him.

你可以想想《黑客帝国》这样的柏拉图式电影，它几乎也是一种柏拉图式的电影。

You think about the very Platonic movie like The Matrix, of a similar almost like Platonic type movie.

所以我认为，从古希腊哲学的柏拉图视角来看，我们是依附于肉体的。

And so I think there's something about just from the ancient philosophical Platonic sense of being we're attached to bodies.

你知道，如果从灵性或灵魂的角度来看，灵魂是依附于身体的。

You know, like the spirit soul, if you think about it in that way, is attached to a body.

我们不喜欢那些打破我们依附的事物，无论是从身体层面，比如你的晨间习惯这样简单的事，还是你所拥有的各种羁绊。

We don't like things that disturb our attachments in like fit in physical sense, like whether it's your morning routine and something as simple as that or the bonds you have or whatever.

这个世界在某种程度上之所以运转良好、令人愉悦，是因为你形成了这么多的羁绊与依附，但依附本身却有一种固有的黏着性。

There's something about this world that like it it works and it's enjoyable in some ways because you you form all these bonds and attachments, but then there's something inherently about bondedness itself that clings.

就像某种东西紧紧依附着另一样东西，或者像阳光 somehow 依附在月亮上一样。

Like, it's something clinging to something else or just like the light of the Sun is sort of clinging to the to the Moon somehow.

这种依附层次是根本性的，因此它的阴影——即无法放手或难以脱离——也就顺理成章了。

There's something about that that level of attachment that's sort of fundamental, so it makes sense that the shadow of it would be sort of this inability to let go or this trouble with detaching.

是的。

Yeah.

也许还有一种对过去的浪漫化倾向。

Also maybe like romanticizing the past.

你知道的。

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

这很有道理。

That makes sense.

‘依附性’确实是一个核心关键词，因为它将我们从 overarching 原型中分支出的几个不同原型联系在了一起。

A bondedness really would be a core keyword because that then ties together several different of our archetypal trees that were branching off from our overarching archetype.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

依附性，而它的负面可能是过度依附——当某人过于紧抓不放时，比如在第一次约会时就向对方表白永恒的爱，可能就有点太快了。

Bondedness and then the downside of that could be having an overbondedness when it's too much and trying to hold on too tightly to something when somebody else is like Maybe it's like the first date and you're professing your undying love for somebody, maybe it's a little bit little bit too quick.

是的。

Yeah.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我认为，很多关于巨蟹座的负面刻板印象，都可以追溯到巨蟹座的一个独特之处：它是唯一一个双凶星都处于陷落或落陷状态的星座。

I think that a lot of the kind of negative stereotypes of Cancer, you can kind of trace that back to like, one of the unique things about cancer is that it's the only sign where both malefics suffer, like, a condition of detriment or fall.

我认为这很大程度上是因为，你知道，巨蟹座整体上更倾向于宠溺。

And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that, like, you know, Cancer as a whole prefers to coddle.

你知道吗？

You know?

它不想面对那些严酷、不愉快或艰难的事情。

Like, it doesn't wanna deal with, like, things being harsh or unpleasant or tough.

它希望创造一个柔软的环境。

Like, it wants to kind of create, like, a a soft environment.

但当你想到处于落陷状态的行星也可能显得混乱且不可预测时，

But then, you know, you think about how planets in fall can also just be kind of chaotic and unpredictable.

而处于陷落状态的行星则倾向于扭曲自己，以在某种奇怪的环境中勉强生存，我想。

And then, you know, planets in detriment have a tendency to kind of distort themselves to kind of, you know, get by in an, like, a strange environment, I guess.