摩羯座在占星学中的含义与特质

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这很好。

That's good.

天鹰座和处女座与摩羯座合作。

Horus and Virgo collaborated with Capricorn.

摩羯座说：我来搞土地。

Capricorn was like, I'll get the land.

你们负责那些漂亮的东西。

You guys do your pretty stuff.

我们一起做生意。

We'll form the business together.

它为金牛座和处女座的爱好或手艺技能提供了结构和专注力。

It's providing that structure, that focus for, you know, like, the hobbies or the craft skills of Taurus and Virgo.

是的。

Yeah.

你这么说让我想起来，所有的土壤都是由死去的东西组成的。

That you saying that was just reminding me that all soil all soil is made out of dead stuff.

是的。

Yes.

当然。

Absolutely.

土星是收割者，土星代表生命的终结，但每次生命终结时，除非你被完全密封在棺材里防腐，否则你的身体都会回归大地，促进新的生命。

Saturn is the reaper, Saturn is the end of life, but every time we have an end of life, unless you're completely pickled inside of a coffin, your body returns to the earth and facilitates ongoing life.

所以当我们说摩羯座就是土地本身时，这也包括了所有为形成土壤做出贡献的死去之物。

So when we're talking about Capricorn is literally the land, that's also all of the dead things that have contributed to that being soil.

活跃的堆肥像是天蝎座，气味很重，但真正有用的泥土，那就是摩羯座。

It's like the active compost is Scorpio where it's real smelly, but the functional dirt, that would be Capricorn.

有用的泥土，那就是摩羯座。

Functional dirt, that is Capricorn.

这简直是个绝佳的标语。

Kind of the great tagline.

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

所以，堆肥堆是死亡与循环的产物，将物质转化回肥沃的土壤，供未来世代再次使用。

So the compost heap are the result of the death and recycling of things that turns it back into fertile soil that can be used over in future generations.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，甚至只是想想土星或克洛诺斯，历史上它们被视为农业之神，对吧？

I mean, even just thinking about Saturn or Cronos as historically being agricultural gods, right?

这种理解认为，所有的财富都源于土地，真正的财富都来自土地——无论是丰饶的农作物，还是像矿藏这样的财富，这同样是土星座的领域：通过努力从地下开采有价值的资源。这些资源有价值，可能是因为你需要金属来做剑或犁，也可能是因为它是黄金——虽然黄金在很多方面并不实用，但它非常漂亮。

And this understanding that all of the wealth comes from the land, all genuine wealth comes from land, whether that's the wealth of abundant crops or the wealth of like, I would say mines would be another kind of Capricorn place of doing effort to gather up the valuable resources that are underground, whether that's valuable because you need metal or your swords or your plows or whatever or valuable because it's gold and, you know, gold is not super functional in a lot of ways, but it's really pretty.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我再次想到射手座的对比：射手座意味着无拘无束，可以自由前往任何地方；而土星座则是投资于有形之物，然后在这种有形的、基于土地的投资中，获得创造你想要的一切的自由。

Reminds me again of that contrast with Sagittarius as being, you know, like being tied to nothing, having the freedom to go anywhere versus Capricorn investing in something tangible and then maybe having the freedom within that to create whatever you want but through that tangible, like, land based investment.

嗯。

Mhmm.

土地还让我想到代际财富，历史上，土地所有权的传承一直是代际财富传递的一种方式。

And then land also makes me think of, like, generational wealth and, like, the transfer of, like, land ownership is was historically a way of transfer of generational wealth and things like that.

是的，至少在这个特定的经济体系中，这种情况依然存在。

Yeah, I mean, that remains the case at least inside of this particular economic structure.

这也让我想到了 stewardship（管理责任），对吧？

And that also makes me think about stewardship, right?

因为我觉得摩羯座更多是一种管理者，而不仅仅是所有者。

Because I think Capricorn can very much be a steward and not just an owner.

所以要从长远角度思考，不只是短期炒房带来的财富，也不只是想拥有一套房子以便将来留给孩子的相对短期目标。

And so to think about the very long term, so not just the short term wealth creation of flipping a house or even the relatively short term of wanting to own a house so you can leave it to your kids.

而是更宏大、更长远的视角：如何与土地建立正确的关系，从而促进多代人类的延续，以及生态系统的持久与稳定。

But the longer and larger picture of what does it mean to be in right relationship with the land in a way that facilitates multiple, multiple generations of not just human continuance but also the endurance and durability of ecosystems.

我认为，这同样体现了摩羯座追求可持续性的最深层、最广泛的意义。

I would say that's also very Capricornian of just like pursuing sustainability in the deepest and broadest sense.

我知道我们提到的摩羯座的一个例子是格蕾塔·通贝里。

And I know one of our examples for Capricorn is Greta Thunberg.

你知道，深入投资一个你可能无法亲眼见证的未来，这究竟意味着什么？

You know, like what does it mean to be investing deeply in a future you may not be alive inside of?

嗯。

Mhmm.

这种视角意味着，你一生中的行动确实会对尚未出生的后代产生影响。

That perspective of knowing that your actions and, you know, in your lifetime do have ramifications for generations unseen.

是的。

Yeah.

而且还有恐惧，因为土星的一个关键特质就是恐惧，这与悲观情绪相关。

Well, and also fear because like one of the big Saturn keywords is fear that ties into the that ties into the pessimism thing.

但当你从射手座的乐观转向摩羯座的土星时，就会产生对未来的恐惧、对匮乏的恐惧，或对某种东西失去的恐惧。

But one of the things you switch to when you get out of Sagittarius and the optimism is Saturn in Capricorn and the fear of things that are coming in the future or fear of having a lack of something or fear of something going away.

因为摩羯座的一个特点——也许我们该从天文学角度联系一下——我们使用的是回归黄道，而这套体系大多是在北半球发展起来的，一旦进入摩羯座，就到了冬至，此时黑夜最长、白昼最短，太阳已经远离到极致，你处于一个更黑暗的状态，仿佛黑夜正在压倒一切。

Because one of the things about Capricorn and maybe we should tie this in astronomically is in, you know, we're using the tropical zodiac and most of this system was developed in the Northern Hemisphere where once you get to Capricorn, hit the winter solstice where you the shortest You have the longest nights and the shortest days where the Sun has sort of gone as far away as it possibly can and you're in a much darker state where it seems like the night is seeming to dominate over things.

而且天气非常寒冷，像是冬天，下着雪，什么都长不出来，所有的植物都死了，这正是冬季最寒冷的时期，万物要么死亡，要么进入冬眠，以度过严酷的冬天。

And it's also very cold and it's like wintery and it's snowing, you can't grow anything, like all of the plants have died and it's like the middle of the winter season where things are at their most either dead or hibernating, let's say, in order to get through the harsh winter.

所以，如果你夏天没做好，到了这个时候，你是否能有足够的食物熬过冬天，就完全取决于你之前的付出或疏忽。

So there's this real sense of if you don't do a good job during the summer that you really are going to reap the rewards of or the failures of that in terms of if you have enough food to get through the winter, you're doing pretty well at this point.

但如果你没有好好规划，或者在夏天收割时不够努力，那么在这个时候你就会挨饿受冻，日子过得非常艰难。

But if you didn't plan things out well or didn't do a good job of working hard during the winter or during the summer of harvesting things, then you're basically starving and shivering during this part of the year and you're not having a very good time.

一旦经历过这种困境，你下次就会产生某种恐惧——如果再犯同样的错误，这种情况可能会再次发生。

And once you've had that experience, it instills a certain amount of fear for you next time that if you make the same mistake that might happen again.

因此，恐惧成为了一种驱动力，有时这可能是坏事，但有时也能成为很好的激励。

So fear becomes a driving factor which sometimes can be bad or other times can actually be good motivation.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

土星在摩羯座时，人们会意识到节俭的永恒可能性，有时这会促使人们尽可能选择节俭，以减少对不必要事物的依附。

There's an awareness of the perpetual potential of austerity that Capricorn holds and sometimes that can lead to choosing austerity as much as possible so there's a minimum amount of attachment to unnecessary things.

就我自己而言，我从未对香烟感兴趣，也不理解它的吸引力，因为那种必须依赖某种既昂贵又会缩短寿命的东西，对我来说完全说不通。

An example just for myself, it's like I've never ever been interested or understood the appeal of cigarettes because there's this idea of being attached in a necessary way to something that's expensive and also is going to shorten my lifespan that just doesn't make sense to me.

尽管我也能意识到，香烟确实能带来不少愉悦感。

Even though I can also recognize that there is quite a lot of pleasure that cigarettes can facilitate.

我只是觉得，我不想陷入囊中羞涩、却非得需要一支烟的境地。

I'm just like, I don't want to be in a position where I have no money and I really need a cigarette.

恐惧也可能导致土星所代表的另一个词：贪婪或吝啬，这种想要尽可能多占有的囤积心态。

Fear can also lead to one of the Saturn words is greed or avarice, this sort of hoarding mentality of I need to get as much as possible for myself.

并不是出于什么崇高的理想，而只是因为我觉得自己永远都不会够。

Not for any higher ideal but just because I'm never gonna have enough.

我就是需要更多、更多、更多的这种东西，也许它最终能带来一种安全感。

I just need more and more and more of this thing that might create eventually a sense of security.

只要不解决根本的不安全感，就会一直这样：不，还要更多、更多、更多。

Whenever it's not addressed, whatever the underlying insecurity is, that's not addressed, it's just like, No, more and more and more.

这会变得非常吝啬。

It gets very scroogey.

我无法慷慨，因为我自己都不够。

I can't be generous because I don't have enough to be.

对，我觉得摩羯座落位时就会出现这种情况。

Yeah, I think that comes up with Capricorn in place.

我之前确实有个客户的案例能用来举例。

Had that once with a client actually I was going use as an example.

这位客户是上升摩羯座，且在夜生盘里，土星落在水瓶座的整宫第二宫。

But it was a client who had Capricorn rising and he had Saturn in Aquarius in the second whole sign house in a night chart.

我当时做了一点解读，说这个配置显示出你对财富很看重，但你生活里可能也会伴随和钱相关的恐惧或是要应对的难题。

And I gave a little delineation of this seems to show a focus on money but there may be fears or challenges surrounding this in your life.

然后他就说，不对，这说不通啊。

And he was like, No, that doesn't really track.

我就说，行吧。

And I was like, Okay.

但他当时和他妻子一起过来的，因为他们俩想一块儿做个咨询。

But he was there with his wife because they want to do a consultation together.

然后她就说，不会啊，这完全就是你的写照嘛。

And she was like, No, that fits you perfectly.

她说道：‘你成长于大萧条时期，家里穷得不得了，家里常说的话就是：我们只有这些了。’

She was like, You grew up in the Great Depression and your family was extremely, extremely poor and a common saying around the house was, That's all we have.

这给他留下了深刻的印象，当她继续解释，并最终让他敞开心扉谈起这段经历时，这让他一生都对金钱和财务极其谨慎，甚至到了一种程度——用什么词来形容呢？

And that left such a As she continued to explain and then eventually got him to open up about, that left such a huge imprint on his mind that he'd always been extremely careful with money and finances to the point of being is the term for that?

你刚说过了。

You just used it

近乎吝啬？

almost Abrocious?

就像

Like

不是，是像斯克鲁奇那样，或者小气到极点。

No, like scrooge like or like penny pinching.

最终，吝啬是有时与摩羯座相关联的关键词之一。

Eventually, stingy, that's one of the keywords that sometimes associated with Capricorn.

即使他后来成功了，即使不再有经济困难，这种观念依然根深蒂固，他的妻子形容他到一定程度上还是非常抠门。

Even once he had become successful and even once he didn't have financial hardships, that still stuck with him and he was still extremely cheap to a certain extent basically is the way his wife described it.

我今天实际上在Reddit上看到一篇帖子，让我想到了这件事，我想快速分享一下，因为我觉得它有点相关。

I actually saw a post on Reddit that made me think of that today that I wanted to share really quickly because I thought it was vaguely appropriate.

虽然我对这些人的星盘位置一无所知，但它让我想起了那位客户和那个故事，帖子的标题是《我的男朋友太抠门了，简直让人倒胃口》。

While I don't know anything about any birth chart placements with these people, it reminded me of that client and that story where the title of it was My Boyfriend is So Cheap That It's Literally a Turnoff.

好吧。

Okay.

大家都喜欢在清仓区淘好货，但这个程度简直是十倍于那。

So everyone likes a good deal around the clearance section, but this is 10 times worth.

我男朋友是我认识的最抠门的人。

My boyfriend is the cheapest person I've ever known.

但有趣的是，他非常富有。

But what's funny is that he's extremely wealthy.

在你们所有人说我是个拜金女之前，我是在知道他有钱之前就爱上他的。

Before you all say I'm some sort of gold digger, I fell in love with him before I knew he had money.

然后她继续说，他总是炫耀自己每一件衣服都是从救世军买的，而且只花了2美元，你一眼就能看出来，因为他的衣服都褪色了，有些地方还破了。

And then she goes on about She says, He always brags about how every article of clothing he has is from goodwill and how it was only $2 You can tell because his clothes are faded and ripped in some places.

她继续讲述这个非常有趣的情况，因为最终到了圣诞节，他们互赠礼物，但他却送了她一些在好心人慈善店找到的东西，结果他们为此吵了一架。

And she just keeps going on about this really interesting situation because eventually they had Christmas and they gave gifts, but he gave her this stuff he found at goodwill and they got in a fight about it.

我确信，对于这种情况，有不同的视角和解读方式，可以更积极或更消极地看待。

And I'm sure there's different perspectives and ways that you could interpret this situation more positively or more negatively.

但这件事很有趣，我想稍微探讨一下这种行为的根源，因为我知道‘吝啬’这个词有时会与摩羯座联系在一起，或许部分源于对匮乏的恐惧。

But it was interesting and I wanted to explore that a little bit where that comes from because I know that's one of the keywords that sometimes gets associated with Capricorn is a sort of stinginess maybe partially due to fear of a lack of something.

我知道这可能是其中一个来源，但同时可能还有其他原因。

I know that that's one place it can come from, but perhaps there's other places it can come from at the same time.

还有一种自我否定的特质，近乎以受苦为荣，以尽量少用东西为荣，我觉得这非常有意思。

There's also a self negation quality, almost like a pride in suffering, a pride in doing with as little as possible that I think is really interesting.

节俭？

Austerity?

是的，那种以节俭为荣的心态，甚至这种观念——节俭或苦修在某种程度上具有净化作用，这确实可能成立，但如果你一直禁食，只会加速死亡，对吧？

Yeah, pride the and austerity, even just this idea that austerity or asceticism is somehow purifying in some way which it can be, but if you fast forever, you will speed up your death, right?

这让我想到摩羯座的特质：干燥、吝啬、这种干涸感。

And this is making me think about the quality of Capricorn as dry, this stinginess, this dryness.

当事物变得干涸时，生命就会随之消逝。

And it's like whenever things desiccate, the life goes out of them.

不知为何，我想起了《沙丘》世界中的蒸馏服，那种服装能收集你所有的汗水和其他液体，然后将其净化以便循环利用。

For some reason I'm being reminded of how in the Dune world they have the stillsuits which are these outfits that collect all of your sweat and other forms of liquid and then purifies it so that you can recycle it.

是的。

There's Yes.

没错，这就是你要做的方式。

Even Yeah, that's the way you do it.

你一直在循环利用你的水分，而水是一种极其珍贵的资源。

You're just constantly recycling your water and water is this super, super, super precious resource.

那些能获得更多水的人，被称为‘水胖’。

And people who have access to more water, they're called water fat.

对吧？

Right?

他们可能并不是因为多出脂肪而显得丰满，而是因为充分补水，所以看起来更饱满。

They might not be plump in an extra flesh way, but because they are properly hydrated, they're plumper.

摩羯座的干燥特质，可能会带来一种犹豫，或者，是的，甚至是一种在匮乏中获得的受虐式快感——明明完全可以过得更舒适，却偏偏选择只维持最低限度的生存需求。

And the dryness of Capricorn, there can be this sort of hesitance or, yeah, again, even a sort of masochistic pleasure in not having quite enough, like getting by with as little as possible even if it would be a much more pleasant experience to let yourself have actually enough rather than the barest minimum.

在某种程度上，这甚至被视为一种美德。

Well, it's seen as almost a virtue to a certain extent.

节俭生活是一种美德，而过度享乐则可能在宗教语境中被视为一种罪过。

That it's virtuous to live with less and that to live with excess might be seen almost as like a sin or something in like a religious context.

有没有一个词来形容这种状态，对吧？

What is there's like a word for that, right?

比如七宗罪之一？

Like one of the seven deadly sins?

暴食。

Gluttony.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，回到可持续性这个话题，像千禧一代这样出生时天王星、海王星和摩羯座同在的人，从小就被灌输了对消费主义暴食的警觉，我想，这在我们成长过程中一直萦绕在心头。

I mean, back to the sustainability piece, like, think perhaps with folks of the, you know, the millennial generation with the Uranus and Neptune and Capricorn, that, awareness, you know, from a very young age of, like, the gluttony of consumerism, I think has been in the front of a lot of our minds, you know, as we've as we've come of age.

所以你能注意到消费趋势，我想，自从我们逐渐拥有更多的购买力后，对可持续产品等的关注已经变得非常大了，或者，你在做什么？

So there's you kind of notice in the consumer trends, I guess, since we've become more, you know, in the buying power in the market, the, the focus on sustainability products and whatnot is pretty huge or, like, what are you doing?

你在尽力减少消费吗？

Are you doing your part to consume as little as possible?

你是否立下誓言要减少

Like, have you taken a vow to produce

嗯。

Mhmm.

今年不产生任何垃圾吗？

No trash this year?

你是否彻底戒除塑料了？

Have you gone plastic free?

没错。

Exactly.

零浪费极简主义，从土星和摩羯座的角度来看，是非常典型的。

Zero waste minimalism minimalism and zero waste are very Saturnian in, like, a Capricornian way, I would say.

是的。

Yeah.

这种知道自己没有成为问题一部分的愉悦感，就像如此。

It's like the pleasure of knowing that you're not being part of the problem.

因为我觉得摩羯座之所以如此，是因为两大凶星在摩羯座都有尊严。

Because I think part of Capricorn having, you know, the both both malefics have dignity in Capricorn.

所以几乎有一种害怕自己成为凶星的倾向。

So there's almost that, like, fear of being malefic oneself.

因此你压抑自我，因为你不想产生不良后果。

And so denying the self because you don't want to produce bad results.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你

You

明白吗？

know?

你几乎是在与之对抗。

You're almost working against that.

你对生活中那些恶意的力量，或你行为可能带来的负面结果，有着极强的觉察。

You have so much awareness of the maleficent maleficence of life or the possible negative outcomes of your consequences.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

这其中很多都与天王星、海王星的世代位置有关，有时也包括土星和摩羯座，以及随之而来的那种理想主义等特质——这些都非常特定于这一代人，也影响了他们以这种方式展现摩羯座原型的方式。

And a lot of that has to do with the generational placement of Uranus and Neptune and sometimes Saturn and Capricorn and the sort of idealism and other things that come along with that that's very specific to that sub generation and in terms of how they manifest the Capricorn archetype in that way.

这让我想到，我们这一代人与‘传统’这个概念的关系，和那些没有天王星和海王星同时影响的摩羯座人群并不相同，对吧？

Is reminding me that our little sub generation doesn't have the same relationship with the concept of tradition as people who have Capricorn placements without Uranus and Neptune also hanging out there, right?

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

所以

So

传统也是一种土星概念，我认为它既属于水瓶座也属于摩羯座，因为传统构建了世界观的结构，同时也直接影响人们与物质世界的互动方式。

tradition as another Saturn word, also it's both Aquarian and Capricornian I would say because tradition creates the structure of the worldview, but it also literally affects how people interact with materiality.

做某事是传统的，但当你有天王星与海王星相位时，就会想：这真的有必要吗？

It's traditional to XYZ, but when you have Uranus in Neptune, it's like, Is that necessary?

这属于我们理想结构的一部分吗？

Is that part of our ideal structure?

我们能否创造出与存在本身互动的不同方式？

Can we be building different ways of interacting with being alive?

是的。

Yeah.

这是正确的传统吗？

Is this the right tradition?

我们才是正确的吗？

Are we the correct one?

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我会把这一代人看作是真正渴望一种理想化的传统，尤其是当海王星位于摩羯座时。

We would I see the generation as really you know, with Neptune in Capricorn really craving an idealized sense of tradition.

或者，难道不会很棒吗？如果我们有一个真正践行其承诺、支持每个人、帮助人们满足基本需求的社会。

Or, like, wouldn't it be so great if we had a society that actually did what it claims to do and supports, you know, everyone, supports people in meeting their basic needs.

对。

Right.

所以天王星，你知道，看到了这一点，并意识到事情必须改变，因为我们的系统并没有履行它们声称应该做的事情。

So Uranus, you know, kind of seeing that and knowing that things have gotta change because our systems aren't doing what they say they're supposed to do.

对。

Right.

就像。

It's like

到目前为止，现实的结构已经到了某种到期日。

the the structures of reality as they have existed so far have come to a kind of expiration date.

但我绝对认为，土星座摩羯座的推动力绝对包括延续传统，或者甚至是在我们与现实世界互动的方式上创造新的传统。

But I would absolutely say Saturnian Capricornian propulsion absolutely includes either the perpetuation of tradition or even the creation of new traditions in terms of how we're interacting with incarnate reality.

嗯。

Mhmm.

甚至那种回望更古老传统的愿望，我认为，比如对那些传统。

And even the desire to look back, I think, to older traditions, you know, to Yeah.

我们这些试图理解原住民、我们土地的传统守护者，或者我们与原住民祖先之间联系的人。

Those of us who try to understand the traditions of the indigenous people, the traditional custodians of our land, or perhaps our ties to indigenous ancestors.

比如那些可持续生存、能够延续其文化数万年的人类群体的例子，去识别这些社会中有哪些特质，是我们或许可以重新融入或重新构想的，以便让我们的当前社会结构能够延续到十年之后。

Like examples of human populations who were sustainable, who were able to perpetuate their culture for tens of thousands of years, and identifying what is it about those societies that we could perhaps re reincorporate or reimagine as we try to make our own current social structure capable of lasting beyond, you know, the next ten years.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

这让我想到一些关键词，比如长者，以及等级结构，比如由年长而睿智的人将知识传递给下一代，这种代际传承不仅体现在财富上，也体现在知识与智慧的积累上。

Makes me think of keywords like elders and also hierarchical structures in terms of like having somebody that's older and wiser and then passing that down to somebody as part of the generational transfer of wealth not just through financial things but also through the accumulation of knowledge and wisdom.

是的，祖先身份确实是我想与土星和摩羯座联系起来的另一件事，尤其是摩羯座理解到我们的肉体实际上是由祖先构成的。

Yeah, ancestry honestly is another thing that I would associate with both Saturn and Capricorn, especially Capricorn understanding that our literal physical bodies are made of our ancestors.

我们的DNA直接来源于祖先的肉体。

It's like our DNA comes from the literal physical bodies of our ancestors.

至于土地的概念，土地本身也可以被视为我们的祖先，因为我们吃下的每一样东西最终都与土地相连，而这些组成部分构成了我们的肉体。

And then with ideas around the land quite literally being our ancestor in that every single thing that we eat has attachments to the land ultimately and then those component parts make up our literal physical forms.

所以我八月份吃的那颗桃子就是我的一位祖先，而它的祖先就是那片土地。

So it's like peach that I ate in August is one of my ancestors and its ancestor is the land.

那棵桃树生长的土地，它的祖先包括所有为这片土壤贡献养分的死亡生物。

The land that that particular peach tree grew on, and then its ancestors includes every single dead thing that contributed nutrients to that soil.

这让我想到金星掌管另一个土象星座——金牛座的关联。

It makes me think of the tie in with Venus ruling one of the other earth signs of Taurus.

金星关注的是关系。

Venus is aware of relationships.

嗯。

Mhmm.

当然，还有拥有物理形态、拥有肉体的愉悦，而由土星主宰的土象星座则关注你所说的那种关系的传承、过去一年所付出的努力所带来的长远影响，比如种下桃树，才能让我们在当下享受它的果实。

And, of course, like the pleasure of the having a physical form, having a physical body, whereas the Saturn ruled Earth sign is aware of, like you're saying, kind of like the legacy of relationships, the long lasting impacts of evolution or of the work that we put in a year ago in order to grow a peach tree so that we might enjoy it now in the present moment.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, totally.

这让我想起我最喜欢的一句格言，感觉非常摩羯座。

Which reminds me actually of one of my favorite little sayings which feels very Capricornian.

最好的种果树的时间是四十年前，其次就是现在。

It's like the best time to plant a fruit tree is forty years ago and the next best time is now.

这种意识意味着最好的果实来自成熟的树木，这意味着你需要有耐心和远见，才能充分受益于之前付出的劳动。

This awareness that the best fruits come from mature trees which means that you need to have patience and foresight in order to fully benefit, from the labor that's put in.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这让我想到土星主宰摩羯座时更消极的一面，比如对时间、对未充分利用的努力所产生的遗憾。

That reminds me of the sort of the the more malefic quality of Saturn ruling Capricorn is that, you know, regret maybe regarding time, regarding effort not well spent.

你知道，摩羯座常常伴随着自我责备，尤其是在夜盘中，当摩羯座成为更消极的星座时。

Just, you know, there's a lot of, like, self flagellation that can go along with Capricorn, especially in, you know, in a night chart perhaps where Capricorn is the the more malefic malefic.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那种遗憾或抑郁，就是永远无法达到土星对摩羯座所期望的那种成就标准。

Where the the regret or the depression, the, you know, just not ever being able to meet those standards of achievement that Saturn might hope for with Capricorn.

对。

Right.

这非常重要。

That's really important.

设定高标准是土星和摩羯座的典型特征。

Having high standards is a huge Saturn thing and a huge Capricorn thing.

过去十年里，我一直在努力理解这一点。

And I've been trying to understand this over the past decade.

我一直对这部分很着迷，因为在我看来，土星和摩羯座的人，或者那些摩羯座能量强烈的人，有时拥有一种超能力：他们能看清事物的问题所在，发现其中的负面因素和弱点，这使他们成为极其出色的批评者。

It's been a thing I've been fascinated by that part of it because one of the things I've seen as like a superpower for Saturn and for Capricorn people sometimes or people with heavy Capricorn placements is the ability to see what's wrong with something or to see the negative things in something and the weaknesses, which can make them really excellent critics of things.

但这种批评往往最明显地投射到外界的事物和他人身上，就像处女座那样，处女座也能看到微观层面的细节和问题。

But sometimes that criticism which most often is visibly seen being projected outwards onto other things and other people so that they're able to like similarly to Virgo in that way, like Virgo is able to see the microscopic details and issues.

例如，处女座在校对文本时非常擅长发现其他人可能忽略的拼写错误。

Virgo can be, for example, very good at proofreading a text and then just seeing typos in it that other people might miss.

摩羯座也有类似的能力，但更擅长发现大型结构中的更大裂缝、问题以及可以改进之处。

Capricorn has a similar ability to do things but to see the larger cracks in larger structures and the problems with them and the way that it could have been done better.

但其中一个问题是，这种批评不仅常常向外投射到他人身上，也会向内投射为自我批评。

But one of the problems is that sometimes that criticism just as much as it's projected outwards and externally, it's also projected internally as self criticism.

而这种倾向的一个负面影响是导致无所作为或无法行动，因为事情不够好，或达不到他们极高的期望。

And sometimes one of the downsides with that can be inaction or inability to do anything because it's not good enough or it doesn't meet up to their very high expectations.

因此，拥有这些星盘配置的人有时在完成作品时会花很长时间，但最终成果会是最高质量的，因为他们会尽全力做到没有问题、错误或裂缝。

So sometimes people with those placements can When they do produce something, it can take a while but it will be of the highest quality because they do their very best job not having any problems or errors or cracks in it.

但另一些时候，当这种倾向出现故障时，其表现之一就是无法完成事情或推进工作，因为对他们而言，事情永远不够完美，无法放手、发布或收尾。

But other times when that tendency malfunctions, part of the malfunction is an inability to finish things or get things done because it's never quite good enough for them to let it go and release it and finish that.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

如果我们继续用板块构造的隐喻，对断层线的觉察确实是摩羯座的特质。

The awareness of fault lines, if we're going to keep with the tectonic plate metaphors, absolutely is a Capricorn quality.

我能看出这里的地基不够牢固，也许现在看起来还行，但我们是在一个地震频发的地方建造，所以也许根本就不该建任何东西，因为在未来五百年内的某个时刻，它终将被毁掉。

I can see where the foundation is not going to be strong enough here or it's good enough for now, but we are building in a place that has earthquakes and so maybe we shouldn't build anything at all because at some point in the next five hundred years it's going to get destroyed.

这种过于长远的视野或时间线，被过度融入了本应即时做出的决策中。

Almost too long of a vision or too long of a timeline getting incorporated into pretty immediate decision making.

你知道，对后果的这种觉察可能会让人极度瘫痪。

You know, that awareness of consequences can be quite paralyzing.

是的，就像土星带来的停滞成分，土星代表你无法前进、无法跨越这条界限的事物。

Yeah, like the stagnation component of Saturn, Saturn representing things that you can't move forward, you can't move past this line.

我认为这种倾向在摩羯座配置中会特别明显，比如当他们对自己设定了过高的期望时，几乎忽视了自己的局限性，无论是在个人财务、心理健康，还是身体能力方面。

I think that can really come in for Capricorn placements, like, when they have set their expectations too high, almost, like, not being aware of their own limitations, like, when it comes to, like, personal finances or personal mental health or even, like, physical ability.

一个摩羯座配置的人可能会试图实现一些超越了他们现实能力范围的目标。

A Capricorn placement might be trying to achieve something that is beyond the limitations of their, you know, their real reality.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以这可能会让人感到非常沮丧，因为你永远无法达成那个目标。

So that can be, yeah, debilitating because you never are able to reach that goal.

所以对于摩羯座的人来说，这几乎是一个一生中寻找这些界限的过程。

So it's almost like a process for Capricorns over their lifetime to, like, find those boundaries.

就像你说的，找到那些地质边缘，也就是我能力范围和我想做的事情之间的最佳平衡点。

Like you're saying, like, find those tectonic edges of, like, where's that sweet spot of, like, what I'm capable of doing and what I I want to do.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这方面还涉及到资源的问题。

There's also something about resourcing with that.

我应该能用四分之一油箱的油就完成它。

I should be able to do it with a quarter of a tank of gas.

我不需要加油。

I don't need to buy gas.

我不需要花钱，也不需要接受帮助，诸如此类的事情。

I don't need to spend money or I don't need to receive help or those sorts of things.

我认为这是我观察到摩羯座经常遇到的限制之一，尤其是在所有人土星位于摩羯座期间经历土星回归时，我观察到了很多这种情况。

Think that's one of the limitations that I've witnessed Capricorn come up against quite a lot, especially throughout the time of everybody with Saturn in Capricorn going through their Saturn returns and observing a lot of that.

这就像你撞上了一堵墙，但并不是因为这堵墙是永久的，而是因为你缺乏越过这堵墙所需的工具或资源。

It's like you hit a wall not because that wall is permanent but because you don't have the appropriate tools or resourcing to get over the wall.

所以，如果你为自己提供所需的资源，你就能越过这堵墙。

So if you give yourself the resources you need, you can get over the wall.

但人们往往抗拒去获取或收集这些资源，因为它们还没有被‘真正赚到’。

And then there's a resistance to receiving or gathering those resources because it hasn't been earned quote unquote yet.

你知道，赚钱是摩羯座非常看重的事。

You know, earning is a very Capricorn thing.

我必须赚到X、Y、Z，如果我觉得自己还没赚到，我就觉得我不配拥有，尽管实际上，这些东西恰恰是你突破当前限制所必需的。

I have to earn x, y, z, and if I don't perceive myself to have earned it, then I don't deserve it even though whatever it is is actually exactly what you need to push past the limitations you're experiencing.

是的。

Yeah.

摩羯座非常反感理所当然的心态。

Capricorn is very allergic to entitlement.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

这一点在看待摩羯座与巨蟹座之间的关系时也让人深有共鸣，即摩羯座的配置在遇到极限时，最终不得不跨越界限，向他人寻求帮助，比如请月亮来照顾他们自身的生理需求。

And that also feels resonant in terms of like once we look at the relationship between Capricorn and Cancer, just that Capricorn placements reaching that limitation to where they do have to finally reach across the aisle and ask for someone with help, you know, taking care of some of the the aspects of the project, like calling in calling in the moon perhaps to take care of their physical self.

哦，

Oh,

我突然想到了。

I'm being reminded.

我突然想到了。

I'm being reminded.

在托马斯·泰勒翻译的《奥菲斯颂歌》中，关于克洛诺斯（即土星）的部分，使用了‘助产的’或‘助产性质’这样的词，这反映了希腊原文的用词，但不管怎样。

So in the Thomas Taylor translation of the Orphic Hymn to Saturn, Kronos, whatever, the word obstetric or the phrase obstetric nature gets used, which is reflected in the original Greek, but whatever.

我不懂希腊语。

I don't speak Greek.

这个词是什么意思？

What does that word mean?

助产的。

Obstetric.

助产的性质。

Obstetric nature.

所以就像助产，指的是助产术，比如产科医生是帮助分娩的人。

So it's like obstetric, like of obstetrics, like an OBGYN, an obstetrics doctor is somebody who facilitates birthing.

没错。

Exactly.

就像把事物带到这个世界。

Like bringing things into the world.

我刚刚想到的一件事，特别是在摩羯座和巨蟹座轴线上，当人们怀孕时，如果她们没有摄入足够的营养来同时满足胎儿和自身身体的需求，抱歉，我不知道外面发生了什么。

And one of the things that I was just reminded of especially with the Capricorn Cancer axis is whenever people are pregnant, if they aren't consuming enough nutrients for both their gestating child and their own personal body I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on out there.

但你知道，她们需要摄入足够的矿物质、维生素和宏量营养素，以同时满足自己和孩子的需要。

But, you know, it's like they need to be consuming enough minerals and vitamins and macronutrients and things like that for both them and their child.

如果她们没有摄入足够的脂肪、矿物质等物质来同时满足自己和孩子的需求，身体会优先保障胎儿的发育，这可能导致围产期骨质疏松和神经退化等问题。

If they aren't consuming enough, like fats and minerals and things like that, for both of them, the body prioritizes growing growing their child, which means that that can lead to perinatal osteoporosis and neurological degeneration and things like that.

因此，这为摩羯座类型的人提供了一个非常贴切的隐喻：他们过于专注于建设，却忘记了为自身提供资源的必要性，而自己才是真正的建设者。

And so there's a very tidy metaphor for Capricornian types of just prioritizing so much what is being built that there is a forgetting of the necessity of resourcing the self as the one doing the building.

是的

Yeah.

当然

Absolutely.

就像与自我或身体产生了疏离感。

Like, there's that alienation from the self or from the body.

想想看，因为摩羯座与巨蟹座相对，而巨蟹座代表月亮，象征着身体。

Think of because of Capricorn being opposite to Cancer, which is, you know, most the moon representing the body.

就像尽可能远离身体的需求、情感的需求，以及

It's like as far as you as far as far away as you can get from the needs of the body and the needs of the emotions, the needs of

灵魂的需求。

the soul.

动物般的柔软。

Animal softness.

是的

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

但这也常常是必要的，不仅要在你遗产的祭坛上自我牺牲，还要积极参与到你的遗产中去。

But also that's very frequently entirely what's necessary to not just self sacrifice on the altar of your legacy but participate in your legacy.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的，深入你的身体和人际关系，或者几乎像是，你所做的一切都是为了谁？

Yeah, get down into your body and into your relationships or almost like who are you doing all of this for?

比如，如果摩羯座在朝着某个目标努力，却独自一人站在山顶上，确实是这样。

Like, if Capricorn is working towards something but is completely alone on their mountaintop, it's yeah.

根据个人情况，他们可能就喜欢这样。

Depending on the person, they might be into that.

但通常，巨蟹座会渴望有一些帮助、一些家人、一些你爱的人，可以和你分享你的成就。

But often, there is that craving for Cancer to have, like, some help, some family, some people that you love that you can share your accomplishments with.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

这个遗产是为谁而存在的？

Who is the legacy for?

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

也许这会是

Maybe this would be a

现在是个好时机，来分享卡米勒为巨蟹座和摩羯座所提出的对比。

good time to share the contrast that Camille came up with for Cancer versus Capricorn.

所以我没有一个很好的图表来展示这个，但我可以分享我们书面文档中的表格。

So I don't have a very good diagram for this, but let me just share the table from our written document.

这是一张对比表格，供收听音频版的听众参考，包含两列。

So this is the contrast like a table for those listening to audio version of two columns.

我们将比较左边的摩羯座和右边的巨蟹座。

And we're gonna compare Capricorn on the left and Cancer on the right.

摩羯座的关键词是干燥，与巨蟹座的湿润形成对比，一个是土象星座，一个是水象星座。

So Capricorn keyword is dry and it's opposite to Cancer's keyword of wet being an earth sign versus a water sign.

摩羯座是导师，而巨蟹座是母亲。

Capricorn is the mentor versus Cancer is the mother.

摩羯座是世界，而巨蟹座是子宫。

Capricorn is the world versus Cancer is the womb.

摩羯座代表理性智慧，而巨蟹座代表情感智慧。

Capricorn is earthly intelligence whereas Cancer is emotional intelligence.

摩羯座靠理性，巨蟹座靠直觉。

Capricorn is to reason, Cancer is to intuit.

摩羯座坚定，而巨蟹座温柔。

Capricorn is firm whereas Cancer is gentle.

摩羯座是血与汗，巨蟹座是泪水。

Capricorn is blood, sweat, and Cancer is the tears.

摩羯座是自我否定，而巨蟹座是自我关怀。

Capricorn is to deny oneself versus Cancer is to care for oneself.

摩羯座是努力工作，而巨蟹座是用心付出。

Capricorn is hard work versus Cancer is heart work.

摩羯座是提供者，巨蟹座是守护者。

And, Capricorn is the provider versus Cancer as the protector.

是的。

Yeah.

这些关键词很好地呼应了你们刚才说的内容。

There's a lot of good keywords there that tie into what you're both just saying.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这确实凸显出一种典型的、刻板的‘妈妈爸爸’关联：巨蟹座是典型的母亲形象。

That really points out sort of I mean, there's this sort of archetypal or stereotypical, like, mommy daddy association with Cancer and with Capricorn, whereas Cancer is the archetypal.

母亲会把亲人紧紧护在身边，甚至把自己也封闭起来，得到呵护与保护；而摩羯座则在外面为家庭赚钱，或者把孩子推出巢穴，告诉他们：这才是现实世界真正要面对的东西。

Mother is keeping its, you know, loved ones close to itself or even keeping itself, you know, close and contained and protected, like, nurtured and shielded, whereas Capricorn is, you know, out there earning the bread for the family, or Capricorn is, taking the children out of the nest and showing them that here's what you're actually gonna have to deal with in the real world.

意思是，该是时候成长起来，直面现实了。

Like, it's time to, you know, it's time to grow up and face the music.

你总得有天离开巢穴。

You have to leave the nest sometime.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我直接想到了摩羯座的象征——半羊半鱼的形象，还有那些与之相关的传说，意思是，你不能一直待在海里，确实得上岸。

And that actually reminds me quite directly of the image for Capricorn, like the mer goat, right, and some of the stories that get associated with that and this idea of you can't just stay in the ocean, you actually do have to come onto land.

嗯。

Mhmm.

嗯。

Mhmm.

不过我也喜欢读过的一个关于摩羯座痛苦的故事：那个半羊半鱼的生物普里库斯失去了他的孩子们，因为他们原本都是聪明而神奇的海羊，但后来孩子们游到岸边，在阳光下晒太阳，渐渐失去了与他沟通的能力。

I like that one story that I was reading though too about kind of the pain of Capricorn like, where the the mer goat has Prikus has lost his children because they were all, you know, intelligent magical sea goats, but then his children eventually wandered onto the shores and basked in the sun and, you know, lost their ability to relate to him.

嗯。

Mhmm.

在这个故事中，普里库斯拥有逆转时间的能力。

And so in this story, the Prykus has the ability to turn back time.

所以他试图逆转时间，以阻止他的孩子们离开海洋，从而不让他独自一人。

So he tries to turn back time so that he can prevent his children from leaving the sea and, like, leaving him all alone.

但最终他放弃了，意识到这一切无法阻止。

But then he eventually gives up and realizes that there's no way to prevent this from happening.

他最终还是孤身一人。

He is ultimately alone.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想到你们刚才说的很多内容，尤其是在占星学中，父母的动态关系以及代表父母的行星符号，比如太阳通常代表父亲，月亮代表母亲，但在传统占星学中，还有其他替代符号，比如土星和金星。

It makes me think of and brings up a lot of what you're both saying right now just that part of the interesting dynamic of the parents in astrology and the general planetary significators of the parents that you sometimes default to like the Sun representing the father figure versus the Moon representing the mother figure, but also in traditional astrology, there were other alternative significators which was Saturn and Venus.

但有趣的是，将太阳作为父亲的原型，与将土星作为父亲原型的一部分进行对比，或者思考父亲角色在土星或摩羯座原型中可能呈现的不同方式。

But it's interesting thinking about the differences between the Sun as the archetype for the father versus Saturn as part of the archetype for the father or the different ways in which the role of that fatherly or parental role can manifest sometimes in the Saturn or the Capricorn archetype.

是的，有趣的是，我个人更倾向于把土星看作像祖母一样的形象，对吧？

Yeah, what's interesting is I personally resonate much more with Saturn as more of a grandmotherly figure, right?

所以这仍然不是直接孕育孩子的父母角色。

So still not a direct gestating parent.

它仍然属于这个世界外部的一部分。

Still in this sort of external of the world.

这里有一种世间的智慧和知识成分。

There's a worldly knowledge, there's a wisdom component there.

关于成熟意味着什么、成长意味着什么的指导，就像在许多关于父亲和母亲的二元观念中一样——母亲在家与孩子亲密相处，而父亲则在外部世界中。

And the guidance around what does it mean to mature, what does it mean to grow up, is a little bit more distant in the same way that I think in a lot of the binary ideas about father and mother, it's like mother is at home and close with the children and father is out in the world.

祖母也具有同样的特质。

There's that same sort of element with the grandmother.

祖母与婴儿的直接互动有一层距离，但仍然在帮助婴儿成长为成年人的过程中发挥着作用。

It's like the grandmother is a step removed from direct interaction with the baby but is still a factor in helping that baby become an adult.

土星代表着外部世界（大写的E）的经验，这种经验常常让人扫兴，但这种扫兴源于经验，而非单纯的保护欲之类的东西。

And there's very much something about Saturn as the one with external world, capital E, experience that might be a buzzkill a lot of the time, but it's a buzzkill that comes from experience not just from protectiveness or something like that.

是的。

Yeah.

这种 archetype 有时存在距离感或冷漠感，这一概念似乎很重要，因为似乎这里存在某种反复出现的主题。

The notion of there being some distance or coldness sometimes to that archetype seems important though because it seems like there's some kind of recurring theme there.

尽管这种冷漠感可以被温暖化，但仅仅存在某种冷漠、疏离或缺失的感觉，这一点在祖母型 archetype 以及父亲型 archetype 中都相当有趣。

And while that can be warmed up, sometimes just the notion that there's like a coldness or a distance to it or an absence of some way, is kind of interesting in both the grandmother type archetype as well as, you know, distant father type archetype.

嗯。

Mhmm.

即使在比较太阳作为父亲与土星作为父亲之间的差异时，你也可以把太阳看作理想化的父亲。

Even in looking at perhaps the difference between the sun as the father versus Saturn as the father, you could see the sun as sort of like the idealized father.

所以，如果你把父性形象看作是你仰慕和钦佩的对象，觉得‘哇’。

So if you're, or, you know, paternal figure as someone that you would look up to and admire and think like, wow.

我想成为像他那样的人。

I wanna be just like him.

或者，在个人星盘中，将儿子视为你继承了父亲的特质——无论好坏，而土星则几乎像是父亲的缺席。

Or, you know, in one's personal chart looking at the son as perhaps how you've inherited, for you better or for worse, traits of the father, whereas Saturn could almost be, like, the absence of the father.

或者当父亲不在了，或者随着你逐渐长大，父亲不再是你心目中那个闪耀的太阳象征时，你该如何照顾自己？如何满足那些在你生命早期由父性原型所满足的需求？

Or what do you do once the father is gone or no longer, you know, say, as you become older and the father isn't someone who, you is that, like, you know, the shiny solar symbol anymore, how are you taking care of yourself, or how are you, meeting the needs that the archetypal father would have met, earlier in life.

土星作为提供结构的存在，也有一种特质。

There's also something about Saturn as the provider of the structures.

很多时候，我们生活中那些结构是最容易被忽视的。

And a lot of time, the structures of our life are the easiest things to take for granted.

即使它们对于持续生存是必要的，也未必能直接被感受到是关怀或爱的表达，对吧？

They don't necessarily feel directly expressions of care or love even if they are necessary for a continuance, right?

所以你可能看不到进入银行账户、用来购买食物的钱。

So it's like you might not see the money coming into the bank account that buys the groceries.

你看到的只是餐桌上做好的饭菜。

What you see is the groceries made into a meal on the dinner table.

是的。

Mhmm.

你甚至可能根本看不到那个在外面赚钱的父母。

And you literally might not even see the parent who's out there, like, earning the money.

他们往往必须长时间离家，才能做到这一点。

Like, they have to be absent away from the home oftentimes in order to do that.

没错。

Exactly.

要赚钱养家，就得整天在外面奔波。

To bring home the bacon, you have to be out in the field all the time.

没错。

Exactly.

这非常重要，因为即使不涉及新的性别角色之类的问题，有时也会出现这样的情况：其中一位父母扮演着严厉或强硬的角色，制定规则、外出赚钱、支撑家庭，尽管他们因此缺席，无法在早期被直接体验为提供养育的一方，但他们的养育方式体现在对家庭的支持上。

That's really important because without even getting into new gender roles and things like that, there's sometimes the experience of one of the parents that is more of the harsh or the hard ass type figure that set the rules or that went out and got the money and supported the family even if they were then absent and therefore weren't able to play what was immediately experienced maybe early on as nurturing role, but their nurturing was through supporting the family or something like that.

虽然我们过去常常将这类模式与父亲联系在一起，但如今这些动态很容易出现在任一父母身上。

While we often have recurring themes of that that are associated with the father maybe previously, that's something that easily can manifest in either parent figure, like those types of dynamics it seems like at this point in time.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

这种结构是存在的，但情感上却无法提供支持。

It's structurally present but not emotionally available.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

癌症座意味着情感上的投入，也就是随时待命，满足那些即时的情感和生理需求。

Cancer is there being emotionally available, being, you know, on call for meeting those those immediate emotional and physical needs.

是的。

Yeah.

这就引出了月亮与它的守护星座摩羯座相对的问题，为什么这种配置有时被视为具有挑战性，或至少与月亮的本质相悖？因为在摩羯座，可能存在某种程度的情感冷漠或距离感，这与月亮在巨蟹座时的状态，或其本能的冲动是不同的。

And that's where we run into the Moon having its being opposite to its domicile in Capricorn and why that's sometimes associated as a challenging placement or one that at least is contrary to the Moon because in Capricorn, maybe there's coldness or an emotional coldness to a certain extent or a distance that's different than what the Moon in Cancer is like or what its immediate impulse would be.

是的。

Yeah.

有趣的是，这种距离感在不同情境和人际关系动态下，也可能被体验为一种空间感。

And what's interesting too is to think about how that distance can also be experienced as spaciousness depending on the circumstances and depending on the dynamics of the people involved.

所以，土星给你留出了空间。

So it's like Saturn gives you room.

有时候，这种空间可能并不是你想要的。

It might not be room that you want sometimes.

你就像缺席了一样，但其实，不，你有足够多的空间去成为自己。

It's like you're absent and it's like, well, no, you have all this room to become yourself.

对吧？

Right?

但当这种状况存在时，可能会有一种感觉，那就是：如果我一直被宠着，我可能不会成为今天的我。

But when it there there can be the that combination feeling of, like, I wouldn't become have become who I am if I'd been coddled.

对吧？

Right?

而且，

And also,

也许那样会更好一些

it probably could have been nice

多一些拥抱。

to have more hugs.

是的。

Yeah.

你需要两者兼备。

You need both.

对。

Right.

你不想完全置身寒冷之中，你知道的，毫无防备、孤身一人。

You don't wanna be totally out in the cold, you know, defenseless and alone.

就是对。

Just Right.

就像，你知道的，婴儿哭闹的原因

Like, you know, the reason why infants cry

嗯。

Mhmm.

你知道，

You know,

他们感受到那种缺乏，你知道的，他们感到孤独。

they're they're feeling that that lack of you know, they're feeling alone.

他们觉得，就像一个摩羯座，嗯。

They're feeling like, you know, the like a Capricorn Mhmm.

体验。

Experience.

我觉得我还不能独自出去照顾自己。

Like, I'm not ready to be out there taking care of myself.

我仍然需要被呵护、支持和保护。

Like, I still need nurturing and support and protection.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想起了土星在摩羯座。

This is reminding me of Saturn in Capricorn.

摩羯座是冬至点，对吧？

Capricorn as the winter solstice point, right?

那就是我们进入摩羯座季节的时候，标志着太阳的回归。

That's when we enter Capricorn season, which is initiating the return of the Sun.

它开启了光明的重现。

It's initiating this coming back of light.

而像被推过门槛这样的启程体验，往往发生在你还没有做好准备的时候。

And initiation experiences like being pushed through a threshold, that often happens when you don't necessarily feel prepared for it.

但这也正是你获得麦格弗式资源应对能力的地方，对吧？

But that's also where you get the MacGyver resourcing capacity, right?

摩羯座有一种很明显的麦格弗特质，就是我会尽量利用手头现有的资源来应对。

Like there's very much a MacGyver quality to Capricorn of like, I'm going to make do with the materials that I have here available to me as best I can.

我或许更希望有条捷径。

I would rather have the easy way maybe.

但事实上，我必须想办法应对眼前的情况。

Instead what I have to do is figure out how to just deal with this.

所以，即使只是想想某些启程体验，比如你自己在野外独自待上三天。

And so even just thinking about certain initiation experiences of you're out in the wilderness by yourself for three days.

希望你能挺过去，孩子。

Hope you'll survive, kid.

对吧？

Right?

但那种经历确实能带来深刻的成熟，而如果你一直拿着手机，是无法复制这种成长的。

And it's just like, but there's something about that that is very maturing in significant ways and that you can't replicate if you're having your handheld the entire time.

这就像功夫电影里的训练片段，

It's like a training montage in a kung

真的。

fu movie, really.

是的。

Yeah.

好了，孩子。

Like, okay, kid.

你想成为最棒的。

You wanna be the best.

是时候开始攀登那些，你知道的，上千级台阶，背上平衡着水桶了。

It's time to start climbing those, you know, thousand staircases, balancing the water buckets on your back and all of that.

精通。

Mastery.

精通是另一个土星和摩羯座的词。

Mastery is another Saturn and Capricorn word.

这真是个很好的词。

That's a really good one.

这与追求最高成就、能够识别事物不佳之处并渴望超越它、渴望登顶的欲望紧密相关，而‘精通’正是描述这一点的绝佳关键词。

That ties back into the desire to achieve the highest and to have the ability to see when things are not good and wanting to surpass that and wanting to get to the top of something and that would be a good keyword for that is mastery.

是的。

Yeah.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

对。

Yeah.

为什么不尽量做到最好呢？

Why not do it the best that it can be almost?

是的。

Yeah.

所以，这又回到了那种有时因为能力不足的问题。我曾经有一位老师，罗伯特·施密特，他有三个行星落在摩羯座，他做的翻译质量非常高，但他有时会因为无法交付作品而陷入瘫痪，因为他总想做到完美，这反而让他无法像期望的那样完成更多工作，因为他总是被完美主义拖住了脚步，无法及时发布当时手头的内容。

So that, and and then that then ties back into the the whole, then sometimes inability because I had a a teacher, Robert Schmidt, who had, three planets Capricorn and he would produce very high quality translations, but he got paralyzed sometimes in not putting out work and translations because he always wanted it to be the best and that sometimes made it so he couldn't accomplish as much as he wanted to just because it held him back not being able to just put out what he had at the time.

我认为，作为拥有摩羯座、火星和木星影响的人，我通过观察不同的人学会了这一点。

And I think that's something as a Capricorn, Mars, and Jupiter that I've had to learn by observing that in different people.

比如，2017年我刚开始做视频时，其实我已经做了五年的纯音频播客，从2012年就开始了。

For example, in 2017 when I started, I'd done the audio podcast for five years of just like audio since 2012.

到了2017年，我想开始尝试做视频内容。

And then in 2017, I wanted to get into doing video.

我试着像做播客那样提前规划好一些内容，比如节目的结构安排。

And I tried to plan out some of it ahead of time like with the podcast where I planned things like my structure of episodes.

你可以看到，在第一期视频里，我对播客的内容有着非常宏大的计划。

And you can see in the very first episode, I had very grand plans for what I wanted to do in the podcast.

但当我开始制作视频版本时，我意识到自己必须学习整个全新的技能：如何调整灯光、同时录制音频等等。

But then when I started doing video versions, I realized I had to learn this whole new thing of doing video and getting the lighting right and shooting the audio at the same time and all this stuff.

但我尽可能多地做了研究，最终明白我必须直接开始做，因为有些事情只有通过实践、犯错和不断尝试才能学会。

But there was a way in which I researched it as much as I could, but I realized I had to just start doing it because there's some things that you can only learn by doing them and by making mistakes and through trial and error.

所以我录下视频，观看后发现画面和声音都很糟糕，但每次都能从中吸取一些经验。

So I would record a video, look at it, it would look and sound terrible, but then I would learn something from it each time.

每次我每隔几天就发布一个新视频，观看并找出问题所在，然后每次只改进一个方面。

And each time I would put out a new video every few days and look at it and see what was wrong with it and then try to fix just one thing each time.

通过这样做，事情变得可控了，最终积累起大量视频，我能清楚看到自己的进步，也能追踪到成长轨迹。

And in doing that, it made it manageable so that eventually it built up until I had like a heap of all these videos and I could see my progress and you can track my progress.

你可以回看2017年左右的《占星播客》。

I don't recommend So you can look back at The Astrology Podcast from like 2017.

我不推荐你去看，因为那个时期的视频拍摄质量非常差，如果你想笑一笑的话。

I don't recommend it because there's some very poorly shot videos from that time period if you wanna laugh at that.

都是老古董风格的黑白画面，

It's all old timey and black and white with

嗯，那些拍摄中的问题就是一些挺搞笑的小事。

Well, the stock it's just like funny things.

有时候我的头在画面底部，但头顶上却有整整十英尺的空隙。

There'll be I'll be at the bottom of my head will be in the middle of the screen, but there'll be 10 feet of space above my head.

于是有个拍视频的朋友说，是的，你的头应该更靠近画面顶部。

And so a friend who shot video was like, Yeah, your head should be closer to the top of the frame.

就像这些小细节，你不亲自做就根本想不到。

And there's just little things like that you don't think of until you do them.

但如果不这么做，唯一的替代方案就是因为试图预判和规划所有那些只有实际尝试后才能明白的事情而陷入瘫痪。

But it's like the alternative is to just become paralyzed by trying to anticipate and plan out all these things that are unknowable until you've actually tried to do it.

所以这种试错的方式非常重要。

So that whole trial and error thing is very important.

我觉得这和摩羯座以及各种星体尊贵体系中的许多内容都有关联。

I think that's tied in with a lot of different things related to Capricorn and the different dignity schemes.

这可能也是为什么火星被认为在摩羯座有提升的原因之一，因为我觉得这给了它一种驱动力，让人直接行动、先做起来，然后从错误中学习，而不是因为试图提前规划一切而被束缚住。

And that may be one of the reasons why Mars I think is said to do well there with this exaltation because I think that gives it more of a push sometimes to just do it and just take the action and then learn from the mistake as opposed to being crippled by trying to plan everything out ahead of time.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这似乎体现了摩羯座和白羊座之间的四分相或关系。

It feels like it speaks to the, you know, the square or the relationship between Capricorn and Aries.

比如，当你说到‘直接去做’时，这明显带有白羊座的特质。

Like, obviously, when you're saying just do it, there's such an Aries vibe to that.

而白羊座某种程度上似乎从摩羯座受益，同时摩羯座也从白羊座受益。

And the the ways in which, you know, Aries almost I guess Aries benefits from Capricorn, but Capricorn also benefits from Aries.

所以它们彼此推动的方式，嗯。

So sort of the way that they push on push each other Mhmm.

就是这样的。

With that.

推动事情发生的动力，非常白羊座。

The drive to just make something happen is very Aries.

但接着，那种想要不断打磨这件事、而不是仅仅说‘我做了，但做得不够好’的动力。

But then the drive to maybe continue to refine that something rather than just be like, oh, I did this thing and I wasn't good at it.

比如，我拍了我的视频，结果看起来一团糟。

Like, I shot my video and it looked like crap.

所以算了吧。

So forget it.

我转去关注下一个兴趣了。

I'm on to the next interest.

我觉得这就是火星被赋予高位的原因之一，因为火星不会一直不停地朝新方向乱冲，而是保持那种一股劲儿，就是：不。

The Capricorn I think that's part of why Mars gets that exaltation because Mars stops, you know, shooting itself into new directions all the time and instead keeps that, like, gung ho energy to just like, no.

下次我会做得更好。

I'm gonna do better next time.

下次我会做得更好。

I'm gonna do better next time.

是的。

Mhmm.

而且摩羯座还能给火星提供事情做，对吧？

There's also something about Capricorn providing Mars with stuff to do, right?

当然。

Absolutely.

这不仅仅是让火星集中注意力。

It's not just focusing Mars.

它还像是，好吧，我需要把这些石头切好。

It's also like, Okay, I need these stones cut.

这里有一堆石头和一些锋利的工具，去干吧。

Here's a pile of rocks and some sharp stuff to play with, like go do the thing.

而且火星还能让摩羯座变暖，对吧？

And there's also something about how Mars warms up Capricorn, right?

或者摩羯座把火星的热度适当降温，让火星能正常运作，而摩羯座本身也因火星的存在而获得温暖。

Or Capricorn cools down Mars enough for Mars to be functional, but Capricorn is in turn warmed up by the experience of Mars being present there.

你知道，

Know,

火星还赋予了你信心，也许这也是热量的一部分，是的。

just Confidence you that Mars lends as well maybe as part of the heat Yeah.

因为火星就是他妈的热爱胜利。

Because Mars just fucking loves winning.

就是这样，对。

It's just like, yeah.

你知道的？

You know?

我有一个宏伟的愿景，我一定要把它实现。

I've got this grand vision, and I'm gonna just make it happen.

是的。

Yeah.

不管付出什么代价。

Matter what it takes.

咱们干吧，老兄。

Let's fucking go, man.

你知道的？

You know?

这个三十年的愿景，我们来实现它吧。

That thirty year vision, let's do it.

是的。

Yeah.

火星热爱竞争和驱动力，它完全可以是那种先开枪再问问题、或者第一个冲进战壕的人。

Mars loves the competition and the drive, and can be the very much you know, like, shoot first, ask questions later or the first into the breach.

但土星在摩羯座赋予了它那种结构感，那种长期的框架，有助于成功，并引导火星比单纯凭冲动行事更加成功。

But Saturn in Capricorn gives it like that structure, that long term structure that can help with success and help to guide Mars to be more successful than it might be otherwise just shooting from the hip.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

我认为这使火星能够接受反馈。

I think it allows Mars to accept feedback too.

比如，火星没那么尖锐了，因为处于一个富有接纳性的星座，而且这个星座希望达到很高的期望。

Like Mars is less pointy, know, being in a receptive sign and being in a sign that wants to, you know, reach that that high expectation.

火星在摩羯座可能会意识到：‘我做错了什么’，并能够接纳这一点。

Mars in Capricorn maybe finds that, like, oh, I did something wrong and is able to maybe take that in.

我可以

I can

好吧。

be like, okay.

所以我不想下次再出错。

So I don't wanna miss the mark next time.

嗯。

Mhmm.

谢谢你的建设性批评。

So thank you for the constructive criticism.

下次我会做得更有效率。

I'm going to you know, next time I'm gonna do it even more effectively.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

另外，摩羯座很喜欢批判性反馈。

Also, just Capricorn loves critical feedback.

只要它是切实可行的。

As long as it's applicable.

没错。

True.

它需要是务实的反馈，而不是模糊的反馈。

It needs to be pragmatic feedback and not amorphous feedback.

是的。

Yes.

只要他们自己还没想到，就会说：‘哦，天哪。’

And as long as it hasn't already thought of it itself, they're like, Oh, no.

不。

No.

不。

No.

相信我。

Believe me.

我知道哪里出错了。

I know what went wrong.

我清楚所有的裂痕。

I'm aware of all of the fault lines.

我不需要你对裂痕的观察。

I don't need your observations about the fault lines.

但如果你的观察有助于解决裂痕，我想那倒是

But if your observation helps with the fault line, I guess that's

是的。

Yeah.

如果它确实有建设性，而且我之前没想到过，那当然可以。

If it's actually constructive, I haven't thought of it before, then absolutely.

我不确定这是否算是一种傲慢的态度，大概一个月或两个月前有个人说过，我不接受任何比我做得更差的人的批评。

And I don't know if this was It was kind of like an arrogant thing that came out like a month or two ago, but there was somebody who was like, I don't accept criticism from anybody that's doing worse than I'm doing.

当时我觉得这有点像摩羯座的一个关键词。

That struck me as kind of like a little Capricorn y sort of keyword at the time as well.

这并不意味着这总是这个原型的固定特征，也不是每个人都会这样，但我能想象某些版本的摩羯座确实会有这种态度。

Not that that's always going to be the recurring part of the archetype or everyone's going have that attitude, but I could see some versions of the archetype that would have that.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

就是说，如果你还没达到我想去的地方，我为什么要听你的？

It's like, If you aren't where I want to go, why would I listen to you?

非常像：你根本不是我的榜样。

Very much like, You're not a role model for me.

对，没错。

Right, right.

而且有趣的是，这种心态往往也促成了摩羯座那种禁欲倾向——即拒绝那些本可以带来滋养的事物，因为摩羯座的配置往往无法立即看出它们有什么用处。

And it's also interesting to think about how that often contributes to that also asceticism dynamic with Capricorn where it's just like the rejection of things that would be very nourishing because it's not immediately apparent to the Capricorn placement why it would be useful.

嗯。

Mhmm.

尤其是白羊座这样的开创性星座。

It's just like cardinal sign especially.

我在前进。

It's like, I'm progress.

我在做点什么。

I'm working on something.

这和我目前在做的事情有关吗？

Is this relevant to what I'm working on right now?

就像戴上了眼罩一样，只盯着自己要走的方向。

There's almost like this blinders thing of just like that's the direction that I'm going in.

其他一切都是干扰。

Everything else is a distraction.

即使其他事情根本不是干扰，比如你需要修一下车轮，但你就是觉得：不用。

Even if the other stuff is not actually a distraction, it's like you need to fix your wheel, and it's just like, no.

我正朝这个方向前进，而你并不跟我走，那我为什么要听你的？

I'm moving in this direction, and I don't you're not going where I'm going, so why am I listening to you?

兄弟，你的轮子要掉了。

And it's just like, bro, your wheel's gonna fall off.

就像，我

Like, I

我不需要跟你走同一个方向，也能看出你的轮子要掉了

don't need to be going where you're going to be able to see that your wheel's gonna fall

嗯。

Mhmm.

但确实，这几乎就是摩羯座的局限在哪里，以及它如何能从其他星座的反馈中获益。

But yeah, that's almost like where where are the limitations of Capricorn and how can it benefit from, yeah, the input of some of the other signs.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想起了隐士原型，你知道的，土星在第十二宫有其喜悦。

That is reminding of just, like, the hermit archetype, you know, with Saturn having its joy in the twelfth.