出生图中的关系定位

是的。

Yeah.

所以，我的意思是，月亮落在第七宫确实反映了你在这方面的种种变动，而且你说这让你成为了一名更好的治疗师——这非常符合月亮在第七宫的特质，即与他人进行一对一的情感联结，而客户工作通常也属于第七宫的范畴，除了伴侣关系之外。

So, I mean, the the Moon in the in the seventh definitely speaks to all of the motion that you've had around this and, you know, you saying that that has lent itself to becoming a better therapist which is very Moon in the seventh, emotionally relating to other people one on one and client work is often seventh house in addition to partnership.

你第七宫的主宰星是位于第八宫的木星。

The ruler of your seventh is that Jupiter in the eighth house.

并不是所有第七宫和第八宫主宰星同在的人，其伴侣都会早逝，但死亡确实是第八宫涉及的多个主题之一，因此对某些人来说，这确实会浮现出来。

And it's not the case for everyone that has the ruler of the seventh and the eighth that their partner will die well before them, but mortality is one of among several eighth house topics, so it is something that does come up for some people.

当然。

Sure.

所以木星位于第八宫，而第八宫的一个含义与死亡有关。

So Jupiter's in the eighth house, which one of the significations of the eighth can be related to mortality.

而且它与天王星呈对分相，这有时可能意味着一些出人意料的事情。

And it's opposite to Uranus natally, which can sometimes be something unexpected.

此外，它还与土星在24度形成近似刑相。

Then it's also closely squaring Saturn at 24.

巨蟹座正在与木星形成刑相。

Cancer is squaring Jupiter.

但与此同时，这是一张日间图，因此木星也是这张图中最积极的行星。

But then at the same time, it's a day chart, so Jupiter is also the most positive planet in the chart.

它同时也暗示或预示着某种积极的结果，即从这个位置中走出来，而不仅仅是纯粹的负面意义。

It's also indicating or promising something positive in terms of coming out of that placement at the same time instead of just being purely negative.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

而且这其实也挺有意思的，跟你之前说的你通过这段经历成长为一名治疗师有关，因为第八宫的配置有时对某些人来说，意味着帮助他人度过危机。

And that's actually kind of interesting as well with regard to what you were saying about you growing as a therapist through that because eighth house placements can sometimes for some people be about helping others through crisis.

所以，这确实挺有意思的。

So, yeah, that's interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

如果有人想看，我做了一个关于这段经历的三十分钟访谈。

And if anybody wants to watch it, I did a thirty minute interview on that experience.

然后木星就变成了这个位置。

And then Jupiter has become that placement.

所以我的现任丈夫，为我带来了许多富足，当然也伴随着很多与金钱相关的事情，我们现在正一起建造一栋房子。

So my current husband, it's brought a lot of abundance and, of course, a lot going on with money and we're currently building a house together.

所以真正有趣的是看到它的两面性。

So it's just interesting to see both sides of it really.

好的。

Okay.

所以你之所以这样，是因为这正是第八宫的另一面。

So you're getting the because that's the other side of eighth house.

它涉及他人的金钱或伴侣的金钱，而木星在第八宫同时掌管第七宫，有时会通过伴侣关系带来财务上的收益。

It's like other people's money or the partner's money and Jupiter in the eighth ruling the seventh can sometimes be financial benefits that come through partnership.

是的。

Yeah.

两者都是。

It's been both.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不错。

Cool.

这很有趣。

That's interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢你，这很好地说明了它在你人生不同阶段可能会有不同的结果。

Thank you for And that's such a good example of how it can work out differently at different times in your life too.

对。

Right.

有时候你会遇到挑战性的事情，但同时也会有积极的事情发生。

And you can sometimes get the challenging things coming up, but otherwise also the positive things.

当然，天王星的运行周期是八十四年，绕黄道一周。

Then Uranus transit of course, Uranus takes eighty four years to go around the zodiac.

当时天王星与你的月亮成合相，这基本上是一生一次的星象变动。

That was basically like a once in a lifetime transit having it conjoin your Moon at that time.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢你的分享。

Thanks for sharing.

谢谢。

Thank you.

当然。

Absolutely.

好的。

All right.

你有没有想分享的？或者还有其他人想分享一下第七宫的星盘位置吗？

Did you have one that you wanted to share or was there another person that wanted to share like a seventh house placement?

一个行运吗？

A transit?

只要你对日期比较确定就行。

As long as you're pretty certain about the dates.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

如果你想要上台使用话筒。

If you want to come up to the mic.

你叫什么名字？

What's your first name?

迈克尔。

Michael.

迈克尔。

Michael.

你是做什么的？

What are you what's your

出生日期？

birth date?

1985年1月13日下午2点32分，地点是德克萨斯州基勒恩，拼写是K-I-L-L-E-E-N。

01/13/1985, 02:32PM, and it's Killeen, K I L L E E N, Texas.

好的。

Alright.

你的上升星座是双子座九度吗？

Is your Ascendant nine Gemini?

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

然后我不确定你是否想做一个生命轮，

And then I don't if you wanna do do a bi wheel,

当然可以。

but Sure.

目标日期是什么？

What is the target date?

2010年7月1日。

07/01/2010.

几点？

What time?

就差不多是中午。

Would just be like noon.

确实是。

Would be Yeah.

没问题。

That's fine.

好的。

Okay.

内圈是你出生时的星盘，外圈是2010年7月1日的行运星盘。

Inside wheel is your natal chart, outside wheel is the transits for 07/01/2010.

我理解的是，火星似乎预期与第七宫的天王星形成刑相。

So the way I read this was Mars was expecting like a square with with Uranus in the seventh.

好的。

Okay.

我突然结束了长期关系，并搬到了全国各地。

And I abruptly, like, ended a long term relationship and moved across the country

好的。

Okay.

就像同时发生一样。

Like, all at the same time.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当行运经过角点时，确实可能发生这种情况，因为它们往往会同时影响所有这些角点。

That can definitely happen when that's one of the things about transits that go through angles is they tend to hit all of those angles at the same time.

所以在你的情况中，火星会同时经过你第四宫的家与生活状况，并且与你的上升点和下降点轴线，以及第七宫的天王星位置形成刑相。

So in your instance, it would be Mars transiting through your fourth house of the home and living situation, but then squaring both your Ascendant and Descendant axis as well as that Uranus placement in the seventh house at the same time.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

这是经过深思熟虑的决定，还是突然发生的？

Was it like a thought out thing or was it an abrupt?

完全是突然发生的。

It was like super abrupt.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

非常突然、出人意料，就像天王星的特质一样。

So abrupt, unexpected, or content or common like Uranus traits.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且事情还带点负面色彩，因为搬家之后我有点后悔。

And it was kinda negative too because, like, I regretted the move after it happened.

嗯。

Mhmm.

火星是更具凶性的那颗。

So Mars being the more malefic.

嗯。

Mhmm.

在日盘中？

In a day chart?

你是在日盘时出生的。

You're born at the day chart.

还有四分相。

Then with the square as well.

对吧？

Right?

所以是的。

So Yeah.

刑相位可能是一个更具挑战性的相位，而且当时它还影响了你位于第十宫双鱼座的火星与金星合相。

Square can be a more challenging aspect, and then it was also posing your Mars Venus conjunction, which is in Pisces in the tenth house around the same time.

对。

Right.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

这么多触发因素同时出现，确实是的。

That's a lot of triggers at once Yeah.

因为它们的度数很接近。

Since you have them close in degree.

对。

Right.

是的，这确实是个很好的例子。

Yeah, that's a good example though.

好的。

All right.

谢谢。

Thank you.

是的，额外的节目。

Yeah, extra show.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

All right.

我们再设置几个示例星盘，作为第七宫主星以及金星作为一般 significator 的参考。

Let's set up a few more of the example charts just for the ruler of the seventh house as well as Venus as a general significator.

我们看看。

Let's see.

不是完全令人沮丧的那些。

Not completely depressing ones.

艾瑞莎有点意思。

Aretha is kind of interesting.

如果你想找不那么压抑的案例。

If you were looking for not depressing.

我最喜欢的一个例子是独特的，因为这是史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格的出生星盘。

One of my favorite ones was a singular example because this is Steven Spielberg's timed birth chart.

当初另一位占星师向我提出这个挑战，说命盘的‘派别’理论——即日盘与夜盘的区别——不成立，因为他认为这是史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格的出生星盘。

And this was originally posed to me as like a challenge by another astrologer who said that the doctrine of sect, the difference between day and night charts didn't work because he said that this is the birth chart of Steven Spielberg.

他的是一个夜盘。

He has a night chart.

他出生于傍晚6点后，太阳位于射手座，在第六整宫，距离地平线足足有14度之低。

He was born just after 6PM with the Sun in Sagittarius in the sixth whole sign house, good 14 degrees below the horizon.

这明显是一个夜盘，而土星位于第二整宫，掌管金钱与财务。

It's firmly a night chart and he has Saturn in the second whole sign house of money and finances.

当然，作为好莱坞最成功的导演之一，他也非常富有。

And of course, as one of the most successful directors in Hollywood, he's also very rich.

所以当时有人向我提出这个挑战：为什么这个超级富有的百万富翁会有土星落在第二宫？

So the challenge that was posed to me at the time was, why does this super rich millionaire have Saturn in the second house?

这显然说不通。

That obviously doesn't make sense.

我之前从未看过他的星盘，于是我调出来看，心想：土星掌管哪些宫位？这些宫位是否与他生命中某个特定时间发生的事件有关？

And I had never looked at his chart before, I pulled it up and I said, Well, what houses does Saturn rule and is that in any way connected with an event that has happened in his life at some specific point in time?

我很快发现，土星在夜盘中位于第二宫，按理说应该是他最困难的配置。

What I found very quickly is that Saturn is in the second house in the night chart, so it's supposed to be his most difficult placement.

但土星同时也掌管第七宫（关系）和第八宫（共享资源），而它却落在了他个人财务的第二宫。

But Saturn is the ruler of the seventh house of relationships and the eighth house of shared resources, and it's placed in the second house of his personal finances.

在1980年代的某个时候，这个配置通过年度主星法被激活了。

And what happened is at one point in the 1980s, that placement was activated I believe through annual profections.

他当时可能正处于第七宫的主星年之类的，这个我稍后可以解释。

It was like he was in a seventh house profection year or something like that, I can explain that later.

但基本上，他的第七宫被激活了，经历了一次当时备受瞩目的离婚，他和妻子分手了，那时他们已经结婚很久了。

But basically, his seventh house is activated and he went through a very highly publicized at the time divorce where him and his wife split up and they'd been married for a while at that point.

当时在1980年代，这个案例有趣的地方在于，他们在加利福尼亚结婚时签了婚前协议，但那份协议是写在餐巾纸之类的东西上的。

And what was interesting about that case at the time in the 1980s is they had a prenuptial agreement when they were married in California, but it was written on a napkin or something like that.

法官看了之后说：这是什么？

And the judge looked at it and he said, What is this?

这无效。

This isn't valid.

他否决了这份婚前协议，结果导致他的妻子在当时分走了他一半的财产。

And he rejected the prenuptial agreement which then made it so that his wife was then given half of his fortune at the time.

当时，这场离婚最终成为上世纪80年代末历史上最昂贵的名人离婚案，至少对他个人而言，这是一段不愉快的经历，他视之为人生中一次负面事件——当时他的土星落在第二宫，同时掌管第七宫和第八宫。

And at the time, it ended up being the most costly celebrity divorce in history at that point in the late 1980s, which is something that at least for him subjectively, he was not very happy about and viewed as a negative event that occurred at some point in his life when that Saturn placement was activated in his second house with it ruling the seventh house and the eighth house.

所以，这就像我们之前提到的那种情况：虽然某些星盘配置确实可能预示一个人生活中反复出现的关系主题，但也有一些配置并不会持续显现，而是可能象征着人生中某个特定时刻发生的一次重大事件，并以此深刻地定义了这个人。

So that's one of those instances like we were talking about earlier where while it's true that some of these placements can indicate persistent or recurring themes in relationships in a person's life or even something that'll come up several times, there can be other placements that don't come up persistently but instead may indicate a one time major event that happens at some point in the person's life that can come to characterize it in some significant way.

或者，如果有人为他写传记，尤其是关于他关系的部分，一定会专门设立一章来讲述这场离婚以及当时发生的情况。

Or if somebody wrote a biography about his life and his relationships in particular, they would have a section on this divorce and the circumstances that happened when they went through it.

是的。

Mhmm.

所以知道有些事情是偶发的，而不是贯穿你一生、定义你的关系，这点真的很好。

So that's really good to know that some of the things can be episodic, that they're not throughout your entire life typifying your relationships, particularly

如果你

if you

在关系方面有挑战的话。

have challenges with regard to your relationships.

我认识另一个人，她的第七宫由火星守护，且在日盘中与冥王星合相于第十二宫。

I knew someone else who had Mars ruling the seventh in the twelfth conjunct Pluto in a day chart.

所以，在日盘中，最具挑战性的行星守护第七宫伴侣宫，并落入第十二宫，她曾经历了一段长期的虐待关系。

So you have the most challenging planet in a day chart ruling the seventh house of partnership and placed in the twelfth house, and she had a very abusive relationship for some time.

但后来在她生命中的某个阶段，她幸福地再婚了，对方并不 abusive，这一点在时间上有所体现。

But then later on in her life, she was happily remarried and was not abusive, and some of that showed in the timing.

因此，了解存在具有挑战性的星盘配置时，它们并不一定会在整个生命中始终同等强烈地显现。

So it's important to know if there are challenging placements that it won't always be equally so throughout the entire life necessarily.

对。

Right.

我没有星盘图来展示专业运程，但这是我们在确定星盘不同部分何时被激活、特定宫位或特定相位何时显现时常用的一种时间技术。

So I don't have a diagram for profections, but that's one of the timing techniques that we commonly use to figure out when different parts of the chart are gonna be activated or when specific house placements are gonna be activated or specific transits.

你只需要从上升星座开始，无论你的上升点落在哪个星座，这个星座及其守护星将在你生命的第一年被激活。

So all you have to do is start with the rising sign, whatever sign your Ascendant is located in, and that sign and its ruler are activated for the first year of your life.

第一年结束后，它会按黄道顺序向下移动到上升星座之后的下一个星座，并在你生命的第二年激活该星座及其守护星。

Then after that first year is finished, it moves downwards to the second sign in zodiacal order, the sign just after the rising sign, and it activates that sign and its ruler for the second year of your life.

之后，你只需每年向前推进一个星座，持续到命主生命的每一年。

And you just keep counting forward one sign each year for every year that the native is alive.

每过十二年，它会回到上升星座。

And it comes back to the rising sign every twelve years.

所以在12岁、24岁、36岁，以此类推。

So at 12 years old, at 24 years old, 36 and so on and so forth.

史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格在离婚那年，其第七宫被摩羯座激活。

So Steven Spielberg activated Capricorn in his seventh house in the year that this divorce took place.

这是一种时间技术，可以帮助你判断星盘中的特定部分、特定配置，以及这些配置所承诺的内容，究竟会在何时实现或显现。

So it's one of the timing techniques that you can use to figure out when the specific parts of the chart or the specific placements and whatever is promised by those placements will actually be delivered or will manifest.

嗯嗯。

Mhmm.

你可以通过第七宫的年份快速验证，这些年份总是18岁、30岁、42岁等等，每次加12年。

And some of the quick ways you can check that are the seventh house years which are always gonna be like age 18, 30, 42, etcetera, keep adding twelve years.

第七宫的年份通常会凸显第七宫的配置。

The seventh house years should bring out more of the seventh house placements.

你也可以查看行运到第七宫主星的年份，因为有时这也会激活相关影响。

And you can also look at the profection years that highlight where the planet that rules the seventh is because sometimes that'll activate that as well.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我想起我第一个例子，那个第七宫有非常积极配置的男性，他18岁时遇到了生命中的真爱。

So I think back in my first example, the guy that had the really positive placement in his seventh house for relationships, he was 18 years old when he met the love of his life.

18岁正是第七宫行运年。

And 18 years old is a seventh house profection year.

所以这激活了巨蟹座和他的第七宫金星配置。

So it's activating Cancer and that Venus placement in his seventh house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但另一个例子是拜登，回到那个例子。

But another example is Joe Biden going back to that one.

他30岁的时候，在那场车祸中失去了第一任妻子。

He was 30 years old when he lost his first wife in that car accident.

所以这激活了双子座，以及该星座中的两颗行星：土星和天王星。

So that was activating Gemini, but also the two planets in that sign which are Saturn and Uranus.

嗯。

Mhmm.

第七宫流年是18岁

Seventh house profectioners are like eighteen

18、30、42，以此类推加12。

Eighteen thirty, 40 two, and keep adding 12.

42。

42.

54。

54.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

所以每个人都可以回想一下自己生命中的这些年份，尤其是如果你的第七宫有重要星体落位，那么这些年可能是你关系方面的重要年份。

So everybody can think of those years in your life and think about especially if you have important placements in the seventh house, then that could have been an important year for you for relationships.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以是18岁、30岁、42岁和54岁。

So 1830, '42, and '54.

54岁，接下来是66岁和78岁。

'54, so '66 and '78.

对。

Yeah.

我在theastrologypodcast.com上做的。

I did it on theastrologypodcast.com.

其中一集是关于年度投射的，包含一个图表和一个工作表，供人们计算自己的投射，如果有人想稍后查看的话。

One of the episodes is on annual profections, it has a diagram and a worksheet for people to calculate their profections if anyone wants to check that out later.

嗯。

Mhmm.

当我提到第七宫主星所落的投射年份时，前几天正好有一位客户，第七宫和第十二宫的主星在同一个位置。

And when I was mentioning also the profection years where the ruler of the seventh is placed, I had a client just the other day with the ruler of the seventh and the twelfth.

我说，这意味着你在第十二宫的年份可能会有更多的情感活动。

And I said, Well, one of the things that means is you might have more relationship activity during twelfth house years.

所以是11岁、23岁、35岁、47岁等等。

So that's eleven, twenty '3, 35, 47, etcetera.

后来她提到，她和一个长期分分合合的人是在23岁相遇的。

And then asked later about when she met someone who was a long time on and off relationship, and she said 23.

我说，哦，好的，不错。

I said, Oh, okay, good.

所以它确实有效。

So it really does work.

好的。

Okay.

再讲几个例子吧。

So just a few more.

我们来举几个例子，只看第七宫主星，说明一个人生命不同阶段关系的背景。

Let's throw some examples up of the just the ruler of the seventh and it indicating something about the context of relationships at different points in the person's life.

这是我的朋友兼占星师，尼克·达根·贝斯特。

So this is my friend and astrologer, Nick Dagan Best.

他几年前曾来为这个团体做过演讲，大概

He actually came and spoke for the group several years ago, probably

早期。

Early on.

是的，非常早期，可能是2011年左右。

Yeah, very early, maybe 2011 or something like that.

他上升星座是狮子座，第七宫落在水瓶座，而水瓶座的传统守护星是土星。

He has Leo rising and he has Aquarius on the seventh house and the traditional ruler of Aquarius is Saturn.

如果我们观察土星在命盘中的位置，作为第七宫的守护星，它会把第七宫所代表的关系议题带到它所落的宫位中。

And if we look to where Saturn is placed as the ruler of the seventh house, it will carry out the topics of the seventh house of relationships wherever it's placed in the chart.

因此，我们在他的命盘中发现土星位于第九宫，第九宫涉及旅行、异国他乡，也代表宗教、占星学和教育。

So we find Saturn in his chart in the ninth house of travel, foreign places, also the place of religion, astrology, education.

但第九宫尤其代表异国和外国人。

But the ninth house especially is the place of foreign places and foreign people.

结果几年前，他前往南非参加了一场占星会议。

What ended up happening is that several years ago, he went and attended an astrology conference in South Africa.

他原本来自加拿大蒙特利尔。

He's originally from Montreal, Canada.

他在南非的这场占星会议上遇到了一位来自南非的女性。

He attended this astrology conference in South Africa and he ended up meeting a woman there from South Africa.

他们最终相爱并结婚，此后几年他一直生活在南非。

They ended up falling in love and getting married and now he's lived abroad in South Africa for the past several years.

基本上，如果你要将这个星盘配置浓缩成一句话，当你只是看着这张星盘，而客户刚走进来时，最简单的解读之一就是：由于关系宫的主宰星位于代表外国事物的第九宫，这个人在一生中的某个时刻，可能会与外国人结婚，或在旅途中于国外遇到重要的伴侣。

Basically, if you were to try to boil this placement down to a specific sentence, if you're just looking at this chart and this client just walks in off the street, one of the most simple things you could come up with as a delineation of this placement is that with the ruler of the seventh house of relationships in the ninth house of foreign things that the native might be married to a foreigner or meet an important relationship partner in a foreign place while traveling at some point in their life.

如果你在他15岁时对他说这句话，这可能并不成立，听起来也像是一个非常夸张的断言，但随着他人生的发展，这句话最终会变得异常准确，当它被激活时。

And if you were to make that statement to him when he was 15, it might not be true and it might seem like a very wild statement, but at some point in his life that statement would have become strikingly accurate when it was eventually activated.

是的，我多次见过这种组合以这种方式显现。

Yeah, I've seen that combination go that way over and over.

人们与来自其他国家的人结婚，或者去另一个国家旅行时，遇到某人并发展出一段关系。

People married to someone from another country or going on a trip to another country and then meeting someone they get in a relationship with.

对的。

Yeah.

有时情况也会反过来，比如第九宫主宰星落在第七宫。

It also sometimes works in the reverse, like when the ruler of the ninth is in the seventh.

这是吉塞尔·冈杜申，她有摩羯座上升。

So this is Giselle Gunduchen who has Capricorn rising.

她的第九宫整体星座是处女座，代表外国和旅行，而第九宫的主宰星水星——处女座的主宰星——位于第七宫的巨蟹座，正好与下降点度数成合相。

She has Virgo on the ninth whole sign house of foreign places and foreign travel, and the ruler of the ninth house is Mercury, the ruler of Virgo, and Mercury is placed in Cancer in the seventh house exactly conjunct the degree of the Descendant.

她原本来自巴西，后来成为超级模特，最终嫁给了一个美国橄榄球四分卫。

And she's originally from Brazil and she became a supermodel and she ended up marrying, like an American quarterback.

所以这个命盘的解释是，她嫁给了一个与她成长国家不同的外国人，而代表外国事物和外国人的第九宫主星位于代表关系的第七宫。

So the delineation is that she ended up marrying somebody that was from a foreign country from where she grew up with the ruler of the ninth house of foreign places and foreign people in the seventh house of relationships.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

清楚了吗？

That clear?

大家理解这个基本观点了吗？就是看第七宫主星的位置，这有时能揭示关系的重要背景，或者说明他们可能在人生某个阶段在某个地方遇到重要的伴侣。

People understanding the general point in terms of looking at the ruler of the seventh house and where it's placed and that sometimes indicating something important about the context of relationships or where they might meet an important relationship partner at some point in their life.

让我看看，我们还有没有其他类似的例子没分享？

Let me see if I have Did we have other examples like that that we meant to share?

我想到的是马克龙，埃马纽埃尔·马克龙。

I had Macron, Emmanuel Macron.

好的。

Okay.

如果

If

这对这个有好处，对几件事都有好处。

it's good for this, it's good for a couple things.

好的。

Okay.

他请说。

He's Go ahead.

是的。

Yeah.

埃马纽埃尔·马克龙目前是法国的领导人，他因娶了一位比他大大约二十五岁、曾是他在高中时的法语老师的人而广为人知。

So Emmanuel Macron is the head of France right now, and he's kind of famously known for being married to someone who's about twenty five years older than him who was his French teacher in high school.

所以，这是一种独特的情况，对吧？

And so, it's kind of a unique circumstance, right?

所以当我看到他的星盘时，忍不住笑了，因为他的木星位于巨蟹座第七宫，而木星守护的宫位之一是第三宫。

So that made me laugh when I looked at his chart because he has Jupiter in Cancer in the seventh house of partnership, and one of the houses that Jupiter is ruling is the third house.

第三宫代表的不是高等教育，而是更早阶段的教育。

The third house is the house of education that's not higher education, so before that.

所以这本可能意味着同学，但实际却指的是他的老师。

So while that could have meant a classmate, it happened to mean his teacher.

但更让我忍俊不禁的是，看到第七宫的守护星——月亮在金牛座得势，位于第五宫。

But what actually made me laugh some more is looking at the ruler of the seventh, it's the Moon exalted in Taurus in the fifth house.

第七宫和第五宫的守护星并不总是特别明确，有时是，有时不是。

And the ruler of the seventh and the fifth isn't always super specific, sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.

但我读到一篇文章说，她其实还兼职教戏剧课，他选了她的戏剧课，两人一起合写剧本，就这样坠入爱河。

But I was reading an article that said that she actually also taught a drama class on the side and he took her drama class and they were co writing a play together and that's how they fell in love.

而这正是第五宫的体现。

And that's the fifth house.

第五宫通常与创意活动和艺术相关。

It's like creative pursuits and arts often goes in the fifth house.

所以，无论怎样，这两个星盘配置——第三宫主宰星位于第七宫，第七宫主宰星位于第五宫——都非常契合他如何遇见她的具体情况。

So anyway, both of those placements, both the ruler of the third in the seventh and the ruler of the seventh in the fifth fit very well the circumstances of how he met her.

关于这一点，另一个非常有趣的地方是月亮，你通常不会觉得这种配置能持久。

And the other thing that's really interesting about this one is the Moon is You you would normally not think that would necessarily last.

他第七宫的主宰星月亮，正好与天王星相对。

He has the ruler of the seventh, the Moon, exactly opposed Uranus.

这通常代表令人兴奋但非传统的恋情，但可能转瞬即逝。

And that's often about exciting things that are unconventional relationships but maybe like fleeting.

但让我感到惊讶的是，月亮在金牛座得提升，这是月亮所能拥有的最稳定的配置。

But what struck me is the Moon is exalted in Taurus and it's the most stable Moon that you can have in Taurus.

因此，尽管它与天王星相对，但到目前为止，他们已经结婚很久了，这恰恰体现了一段非常非传统、年龄差距很大的关系，却一直保持稳定。

So even though it's opposed Uranus, in this case, they've been married for quite a while at this point, It just typified a very unconventional relationship with a major age difference, but that has stayed steady so far.

所以，我觉得这张星盘中关于关系的这几个方面特别突出。

So I thought those several things about this chart with regard to relationships really stuck out.

是的。

Yes.

所以当你在第七宫有星体落位时，要注意这个星体所守护的宫位，因为这些宫位的主题有时会带入到关系的情境中。

So pay attention to when you have a placement in the seventh house, pay attention to what houses that planet rules because it will sometimes import the topics of those houses into the context of relationships.

嗯。

Mhmm.

如果你看看她的，其实先回头看一下他的。

If you look at her Actually, go back to his just for a second.

虽然相位跨度较大，但他确实还有金星与土星的星座相刑，这有时也暗示关系中的年龄差距。

Wide by degree, but he does have a Venus Saturn square by sign as well which can sometimes also indicate age differences in relationships.

我之所以提到这一点，尽管它跨度较大，是因为如果你看她的星盘，她这个相位实际上非常紧密。

And I'm only pointing that out even though it's quite wide by degree because if you go to hers, she actually has that really tightly.

她叫什么名字来着？

What is her name again?

布里吉特·马克龙。

Brigitte Macron.

再往上一点，第14号左右。

It's up further about number 14.

是的

Yeah.

所以她的金星几乎在白羊座23度，与土星相冲，相差一度。

So she has Venus at almost 23 Aries opposed Saturn by a degree.

所以这是一种类似的金星位置，我们之前还没提到过，金星作为一般的意义象征。

So a similar sort of Venus placement which we haven't brought up yet, just the general significator as Venus.

对

Yeah.

所以第三个需要关注的是：第一，第七宫中的行星。

So that's the third thing to look for is So number one is planets in the seventh house.

第二，第七宫的宫主星。

Number two is the ruler of the seventh house.

但第三点是金星作为一个人生命中爱情与关系的一般象征。

But the third thing is just Venus as the general significator for love and relationships in a person's life in general.

有时，金星在星盘中的位置，会受到星座的影响，尤其是它与其他行星的相位，特别是紧密的相位，会体现一个人在爱情与关系主题上的特征，以及他们倾向于吸引的伴侣类型。

And sometimes its placement in the chart, its conditioned by zodiacal sign, and especially its aspects, especially close aspects with other planets in the chart will typify something about the general theme of love and relationships in their life and the types of relationships that they'll tend to gravitate towards.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

所以她有紧密的金星与土星对冲，金星与土星的相位可能代表年龄差距。

So she has a tight Venus Saturn opposition and Venus Saturn can be age differences.

然后，如果你看她第七宫的守护星，是位于第九宫并与中天合相的木星。

And then if you look at the ruler of her seventh house, it's Jupiter in the ninth conjoined the Midheaven.

这对我来说也很有意思，因为他们相遇时，他还不是法国的领导人，当时他才15岁。

And that's kind of interesting to me as well because they met when he was not the head of France, he was 15 years old.

所以，这也是一个很好的例子，说明某些星盘配置在描述你生命中某个阶段的伴侣或关系时非常重要，但并不一定在整个生命中都显而易见。

And so, that's another good example of how some of those placements can be really important in describing a partner or a partnership at some point in your life, but it's not necessarily obvious throughout your entire life.

但现在她嫁给了法国的领导人。

But now she's married to the head of France.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这是一个很好的例子，说明金星与土星的紧张相位——尤其是合相、刑相或对冲相——通常被典型地表现为年龄差异。在大多数传统占星学中，当一个人的星盘中土星与关系宫位（如第七宫或第七宫主星）有显著关联时，尤其是金星与土星相位，往往会出现年龄差距或某种重大差异，影响个人的关系。

So this is a good example where Venus Saturn hard aspects especially like a conjunction square or opposition are very commonly typified by Or one of the classical ones that's been true for most of the tradition is age disparities that sometimes when a person has Saturn prominently connected with the relationship sectors in the chart, which can be the seventh house or the ruler of the seventh, but especially Venus, especially Venus Saturn aspects that age disparities or some sort of major disparity can occur or be present in the person's relationships.

是的。

Yeah.

而且这种情况可能朝任何一方发展。

And it can go either way.

可能是年纪大很多，也可能是年纪小很多。

It could be much younger or much older.

没错。

Right.

因此，通常一个人如果倾向于与比自己年长很多或年轻很多的人约会，这在金星与土星相位中是很常见的。

So typically, a person that either tends to date people that are much older than them or a person that tends to date people that are much younger than them is pretty common of Saturn, Venus aspects.

在一些较古老的占星文献中，还提到阶级差异或其他类似情况，或者伴侣存在某种问题或残疾，这些也常作为传统文献中的可能解读。

In some of the older traditional texts, they also talk about class disparities and other things like that or having a partner that has some sort of issue or disability as a potential delineation comes up in a lot of the traditional texts.

但毫无疑问，年龄差距是现代占星解读中非常常见的一种。

But definitely, age disparity is a very common one for modern delineations.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

我们还有其他关于金星的一般性星盘例子吗？

Do we have other chart examples of just general Venus?

是的。

Yeah.

伊丽莎白·泰勒就是一个很好的金星典型例子。

Elizabeth Taylor is a great general Venus one.

好吧。

Alright.

伊丽莎白·泰勒的金星位于白羊座，并且与天王星紧密合相。

So Elizabeth Taylor has Venus in Aries and it's tightly conjunct Uranus.

我觉得这特别有意思，因为她结过八次婚，这本身就很引人注目，对吧？

And I thought that was a really interesting one because she was married eight times and that would be notable in itself, right?

她结了这么多次婚。

That's a lot of marriages.

但更值得注意的是，至少其中有几次婚姻，她是在还和前一位配偶结婚时就认识并开始约会对方的。

But in addition to that, at least several of them were people she met and started dating basically while she was still married to the previous person.

所以金星在白羊座可能更冲动一些，这就是你需要注意星座的地方。

So Venus in Aries can be a little bit more impulsive, that's where you're paying attention to the sign.

而金星与天王星的组合显然容易让人在关系中追求新鲜感。

And then the Venus Uranus combination obviously can be sort of prone to want novelty in their relationships.

当然。

Sure.

所以这种关系可能是非传统的。

So it can be an unconventional relationship.

它可能就是那种时断时续的情况，突然很兴奋，然后又突然没了。

It can just be like the on and off kind of thing where you're suddenly excited and then suddenly done.

是的。

Yeah.

所以只要星盘中有非常紧密的金星与天王星相位，尤其是紧张相位，就可能出现这类情况：关系一开始突然迅速展开，但也可能突然、意外地冷却或结束。

So anytime there's a very close especially Venus Uranus aspect in the chart, especially hard aspects, it can be things like that like relationships that start off very suddenly or very rapidly, but also relationships that cool down or end very rapidly or unexpectedly.

还有呢？

What else?

关系可能很古怪或独特，或者这个人会被某些在社会层面上显得非常古怪或独特的伴侣吸引。

Relationships that are eccentric or unique or where the the person is attracted to a relationship partner that has some sort of eccentricity or something highly unique about them from like a societal standpoint.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

还有呢？

What else?

我的意思是，有时候这种情况会像金星与土星的相位那样，表现为年龄差距，但通常涉及各种不同的差异。

I mean, sometimes it can go the way of the Venus Saturn in terms of age differences, but it it's usually like lots of different differences.

这并不仅仅局限于年龄，年龄只是关系非传统的一种方式。

It's it's not specific to age only in that that's one way a relationship can be unconventional.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

而其中一部分原因是，金星作为爱与关系的普遍象征，往往能反映出一个人被吸引的事物类型、被吸引的人的类型，或者被吸引的关系情境类型。

And part of that is just that Venus as a general significator of love and relationships can tend to indicate the types of things that a person is attracted to or the types of people or the types of relationship scenarios that you're attracted to.

因此，关注金星在星盘中是否与其它行星形成紧密相位非常重要，因为这会以非常独特的方式影响或定义他们倾向于建立的关系类型。

So that's why it's important to pay attention to if Venus is very closely aspected by a planet in the chart that's going to color or just typify the relationships that they'll gravitate towards in very distinct ways.

嗯。

Mhmm.

好的。

All right.

所以，是的，金星与天王星在白羊座17度的合相非常接近。

So, yeah, that Venus Uranus conjunction at 17 degrees of Aries is super close.

显然，她的星盘中还有其他因素在起作用。

Obviously, there's other stuff going on in her chart.

金星还与木星形成三分相，因此有很多感情关系。

Venus is also trining Jupiter and there's lots of relationships.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但金星还与冥王星形成紧张的四分相，所以这里存在一些挣扎和困难。

But it's also Venus is closely squaring Pluto, so there's some struggles there and some difficulties.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

如果再扩展到第七宫主星，那就是位于第四宫的双鱼座水星，并且它与海王星形成了非常接近的对冲。

And then if you extend it to the seventh house ruler, that's Mercury in Pisces in the fourth house and it's opposed pretty closely by that Neptune.

她的许多丈夫，虽然不是全部，也都是电影明星，但如果你自己也是电影明星，这并不特别，因为这就是你通常认识人的方式。

And many of her husbands, although not all of them, were also movie stars, which is not terribly unique if you're also a movie star because that's how you tend to meet people.

但我能感受到，即使她当时已经结婚，她下一位遇到的人身上依然浮现出那种星光熠熠的浪漫魅力，那就是海王星的影响。

But I could see that starry eyed kind of glamour coming over the next person she met even though she was already married, which was the Neptune.

当然。

Sure.

还有其他要说的吗？

So any other statements?

我们谈到了金星与土星，谈到了金星与天王星，还有金星与海王星。

So we talked about Venus Saturn, we've talked about Venus Uranus, Venus Neptune.

尽管这并不直接关联金星，但它关联着这七宫的守护星。

Even though it's not connected with Venus, it's connected with the ruler of these seven.

也许可以谈谈它的某些象征意义。

Maybe some significations for that.

金星与海王星？

Venus Neptune?

是的，理想化的爱情，我会这么说。

Yeah, idealistic love, I would say.

而且常常会看到人们最好的一面，但你需要比一般人更频繁地提醒自己脚踏实地，以看清现实中真正存在的情况，无论是与这个人之间的关系，还是这个人本身。

And oftentimes seeing the best in people but needing to get your feet on the ground or needing to remind yourself to get your feet on the ground more than average in order to see the grounded reality of what's really there either with the connection with the person or with the person themselves.

对。

Right.

那是最理想的情况，但更常见的是

That's the most ideal scenario, but more commonly

这就是建议。

just That's the advice.

这是建议的部分。

That's the advice sector.

但现实是，如果你是他们朋友，他们更常来找你，说他们刚刚在火车站遇到了一生的真爱，确信会和对方共度余生，这就是对的人，但这已经是他们第五次或第十次这么说的了。

But the reality is more frequently if you were that person's friend, they're coming you and saying they literally just met the love of their life at the train station and they're pretty sure they're gonna be together for the rest of their life and this is the one, but this is like the fifth or like tenth time that

他们之前已经这样做过好几次了

they've done that just in

过去一个月左右吧。

the past like month or something.

是的。

Yeah.

金星与海王星容易坠入爱河，或容易陷入爱的幻觉。

Venus Neptune can fall in love easily or fall in the illusion of love easily.

这非常浪漫。

It's very romantic.

是的。

Yeah.

但有时这并不现实，他们容易透过玫瑰色的滤镜看待伴侣，看到的更多是理想化的形象，而非眼前真实的情况，有时甚至忽视了关系中的裂痕、缺点以及这段关系并不理想的地方。

But sometimes it's not realistic and they can tend to see more of an illusion or more of the ideal scenario of the partner that they're looking at through sort of like rose colored glasses rather than what's actually in front of them or in sometimes overlooking the cracks and the shortcomings or the ways in which that relationship is not ideal.

但最终，通常会发生的是，现实会逐渐渗透进这段关系，有时会突然发生一种转变：这个人会从过度理想化这段关系或伴侣，转向完全相反的方向，只专注于自己的幻灭感，以及突然意识到的对方种种负面特质。

But then eventually oftentimes what will happen is at some point, the reality will start to seep through in the relationship and sometimes it can be a switch that happens suddenly where the person can go from over idealizing the relationship or the relationship partner to the opposite and just focusing entirely on their sense of disillusionment and the person being all of these negative things that suddenly they realize.

然后有时情况会走向另一个极端，只看到负面的东西，以至于他们可能会彻底反转，最终离开这段关系时抱着完全相反的感受。

And then sometimes it can become skewed in the opposite direction of only seeing the negative things so that they can sometimes just flip and then go out of the relationship feeling the other way.

是的，正是如此。

Yeah, exactly.

海王星往往难以保持正确的视角。

Neptune can just struggle to keep proper perspective.

因此，金星与海王星的合相或困难相位，通常要么是幻觉，要么是幻灭，而很难清晰地看到对方真实的模样。

And so with Venus Neptune conjunctions or hard aspects in general, it can be either illusion or disillusionment, but not necessarily the middle ground of seeing exactly who the person is very clearly.

所有这些组合都可以进一步延伸。

And all of these combinations can also be extended.

我们刚才讨论的是本命盘中的行星组合，但这些影响在一定程度上也可以延伸到行运——如果你在某个时期经历了行运行星对本命金星的作用。

And we're talking about the natal chart or natal placement combinations, but those can be extended to transits to some degree if you have those transits to your natal Venus at some point.

是的。

Yeah.

如果行运金星或行运海王星以困难相位经过你的本命金星，这种影响会非常强烈。

If, transiting Venus or transiting Neptune is going over your natal Venus especially through a hard aspect, it'll come out very strongly.

或者，如果海王星经过你的第七宫，尤其是与第七宫内的行星成合相，或与天秤座下降点度数合相，甚至当行运海王星与第七宫主星形成困难相位时，这些主题就可能在你的生活中显现——即使你本命中并没有这种倾向。每个人一生中都会经历这样的时刻，尤其是在遭遇强烈的海王星行运时。

Or if Neptune is going through your seventh house, especially if it's conjoining a planet in the seventh house or conjoining the degree of the Descendant or even if transiting Neptune is making a hard aspect to the ruler of your seventh house, then some of those themes can become present in your life Even if you don't have a natal predisposition or tendency towards that, everybody has that experience at some point in their life and it can be when you have a heavy Neptune transit like that.

是的，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

对。

Yeah.

所以即使某些事情就在你眼前，你却直到后来才看清楚。

So not seeing something until later even if it was maybe right in front of you.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

所以我们还没提到的是冥王星与关系的关联。

So the last one we didn't cover is like Pluto in connection with relationships.

金星与冥王星？

Venus Pluto?

是的。

Yeah.

比如金星与冥王星，或者在某种程度上金星与第七宫主星或位于第七宫的关系。

Like Venus Pluto or or to some extent Venus in connection with the ruler of the seventh or in the seventh.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，冥王星以关系中的强烈情感著称。

I mean, Pluto is known for intensity in relationships.

这是一个非常笼统的说法，通常在这种情况下是成立的。

That's a really generic statement that can often be true in that.

我这么说是因为这种强烈可以是积极的，也可以是不太积极的。

I'm saying it generically because it can be positive intensity or less than positive intensity.

你明白吗？

You know?

所以有时候，它们可能表现为非常强烈、高度性化的亲密关系，你们彼此深深吸引，甚至着迷于对方。

So sometimes they can be like very intense, highly sexual relationships for instance, where you're just super drawn to each other and obsessed with each other.

但另一方面，Pluto也可能带来负面的一面，比如Venus与Pluto相位会带来什么？

But then it can also be the negative side of Pluto such as what are Venus Pluto?

强烈的嫉妒，还有别的什么？

Intense jealousy, intense What else?

着迷。

Obsession.

是的，着迷这种感觉可能既是正面的，也可能是负面的，我想。

Yeah, obsession can kind of feel positive or negative, I guess.

我的意思是，从正面来看，这可能意味着你对一个人无尽的爱、专注和奉献。

I mean, it could be positive in the sense of your undying love and focus and devotion to a person.

但如果你是被这样对待的一方，而你并没有感受到同样的强烈情感，那就可能变成跟踪狂式的场景——某人极度依附于另一个人，但这种情感却没有得到回应。

But if you're on the receiving end of that and you're not feeling that intense, it can be the stalker type scenario where somebody intensely is attached to somebody and it's not reciprocated for example.

是的， definitely。

Yeah, definitely.

背叛也可能是一种金星冥王星的现象，比如担心被背叛或实际上被背叛。

Betrayal can also be like a Venus Pluto thing like dealing with either worrying about being betrayed or being actually betrayed.

而且不要只强调所有负面的东西，正面的一面是，当这种强度得到适当引导时，一个人愿意为爱或关系付出超乎常人的巨大努力。

And not to emphasize all the negative things, the positive things is that that intensity when properly channeled can be somebody that's willing to go to great lengths for love or for relationships beyond the normal boundaries that anyone else would ever go.

当这种强度被正确引导时，确实可以成为一种积极的东西。

And that can certainly, when channeled properly, be like a positive thing

或者

or

一种积极的特质。

a positive trait.

是的，毫无疑问。

Yeah, for sure.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

我与凯·泰勒做了一期播客，标题是《外行星与关系》，那期内容对这些外行星与相关主题的结合做了很好的探讨，如果大家想更深入了解，可以去听一下。

I did a podcast episode with Kay Taylor titled Outer Planets and Relationships and that was a really good treatment of the outer planets when connected with some of these things if people want to listen more about that.

我们之前想举一些例子吗？或者要不要看一下一些星盘？

What are some of the examples that we wanted to or should we take some charts?

我觉得我们还想提一下其他一些话题，比如一些时间点的判断。

I think just some of the other topics that we wanted to mention at some point are some of the timing things.

我们已经提到过专业运程和行运。

We did mention profections and transits.

从爱神点出发的星座释放法，也是我们用来判断关系时机的一种方法。

Zodiacal releasing from the Lot of Eros is also something that we use for timing with relationships.

我觉得这非常重要。

And I find that it's super important.

今天我们可能没时间深入探讨细节了，但我发现它极其重要，几乎可以看作是出生图的延伸，因为它在很大程度上决定了那些本命盘中的配置是否有机会在关系中显现出来。

We're not gonna be able to really get into the details of it today, but I find it very important in terms of almost being an extension of the birth chart in terms of how much it determines whether there's opportunities or not opportunities for some of those natal placements to manifest with regard to relationships.

我在很多客户星盘中都看到过这种情况，也就是他们何时有机会遇见人，何时没有机会。

And so, just see that a lot with the client charts in terms of the windows of time within which they either meet people or don't meet people basically.

好的。

Sure.

所以，像黄道释放这样的技术，不是专注于狭窄的时间段，而是把整个人生划分为章节和子章节，就像人生是一本书，你可以识别出不同的章节转折点，以及一些活跃的章节和相对平静的章节。

So, there's just other techniques like zodiac release in that instead of focusing on narrow spans of time, it breaks the entire life up into chapters and subsections as if the life was a book and you could identify the different chapter breaks and some of the more active chapters and some of the chapters where there's not as much going on.

这类技术有时有助于为理解一个人在生命整体时间线中所处的阶段提供更广阔的背景，特别是在探讨人际关系时，这种宏观视角很有帮助，而相位则通常聚焦于更具体、更狭窄的时间框架。

Techniques like that can sometimes be useful for setting a much broader context for understanding where in the overall chronology of a person's life a person is for relationships, which is just useful if you're trying to see things from a bird's eye view as opposed to transits which tend to be narrowed down to more narrower specific frames of time.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们也做了一整期关于这个的播客。

And we did a whole podcast on that as well.

是的，关于黄道释放。

Yeah, on zodiac releasing.

关于黄道释放。

On zodiac releasing.

虽然这一技术并不专门针对人际关系，但你可以将其应用于人际关系。

So it's not specific to relationships in that one, but you can apply it to relationships.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

有没有人能举一个关于我们在讨论的金星与土星、天王星、海王星或冥王星形成紧密相位的案例或故事？这个相位在你的生活中有什么特别突出的经历？

Does anybody have a good example or story of any of the placements that we've been talking about with close Venus aspect in your chart that's connected with Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto in a story that's stood out in your life?

你有吗？

You have one?

好吧。

All right.

请到话筒前。

Come up to the mic.

我们把你的星盘放出来。

Let's put your chart up.

你叫什么名字？

What's your first name?

切丽莎。

Chelsea.

你的出生日期是？

And your birth date?

2009年12月15日上午11:30，丹佛。

12/15/1979 at 11:30AM in Denver.

所以我这里什么都有点。

So I have a little bit of everything.

好的。

Okay.

所以你是双鱼座上升，火星、木星和土星位于北交点，第七宫在处女座？

So you have Pisces rising and Mars and Jupiter and Saturn in the North Node and Virgo in the seventh house?

就那么几个。

Just a few.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

我还拥有金星与冥王星在第十一宫和第八宫形成刑相位。

I also have the Venus square Pluto in the eleventh and the eighth.

好的。

Okay.

所以金星位于第十一宫的21度摩羯座，几乎精确到分钟地与冥王星形成刑相位。

So Venus is at 21 Capricorn in the eleventh house and it's squaring Pluto within a actually almost exactly to the minute.

是的。

Yes.

而冥王星位于第八宫的21度天秤座。

And Pluto's at 21 Libra in the eighth house.

土星与冥王星的合相正好落在我的金星上。

And the Saturn Pluto conjunction was directly on my Venus.

好的，对。

Okay, right.

所以金星在21度，而土星与冥王星的合相在24度？

So Venus is at 21 and the Saturn Pluto conjunction was at 24?

是的。

Yeah.

23度。

23.

是的。

Yeah.

23度。

23.

好的。

Okay.

所以这件事是最近发生的吗？

So that happened just recently?

是的。

Yeah.

我就直接把整个合相的功劳全揽下来了，因为现在这已经不重要了。

I'm just gonna take full credit for the full conjunction because it doesn't really matter at this point.

我觉得我其实有几个问题，主要是关于派别和缓解因素的。

I think I I actually had a couple questions primarily with sect and mitigating factors

好的。

Okay.

因为我是一个日间图，木星在日间会是最大的吉星。

Because I have a day chart and Jupiter is going to be the most benefic in the day.

它还与火星合相，而火星是我命盘第七宫下降点的日间凶星。

It's also conjunct Mars which is the malefic of the day on my Descendant in the seventh.

因为对于其他人，我还没提到正面因素对应的负面因素。

For everyone else because I hadn't mentioned the negative correlate to the positive ones.

所以我说过，在日间图中，木星是最正面的，在夜间图中，金星是最正面的。

So I've said in a day chart, Jupiter is the most positive, in a night chart, Venus is the most positive.

但对于凶星、具有挑战性的行星来说，在日间图中，火星是最具挑战性的行星，而在夜间图中，土星是最具挑战性的行星。

But then for the malefic, the challenging planets, in a day chart, Mars is the most challenging planet, whereas in a night chart, Saturn is the most challenging planet.

所以这是一个典型的情况，最具有挑战性的行星火星和最积极的行星木星都位于第七宫。

So this is one of those instances where you have the most challenging planet Mars and the most positive planet Jupiter in the seventh house.

因此，你生活中同一个领域同时包含了最具挑战性的事物和最积极的事物。

So there's extremes of both challenging things as well as some of the most positive things in the same sector of your life.

而且它还落在一个角上。

And it's on an angle too.

没错。

Right.

因为它正好位于天秤座的下降点度数上，所以非常突出。

So it's super prominent because it's right on the degree of the Descendant.

是的。

Yeah.

即使看我自己的星盘，更不用说自信地告诉别人该期待什么时，我都觉得很难把握，因为在我自己的星盘里，我有时会感到迷茫。

It kind of feels like I've had a hard time when looking even at my chart, let alone telling other people with confidence like this is what to expect because I, in my own chart, get a little lost.

土星实际上我认为正在与我星盘中的金星形成六分相。

Saturn is actually, I think, sextiling Venus in my chart.

那是真的。

That's a trun.

在运转。

Trunning.

是的。

Yeah.

那么这会影响冥王星的情况。

So then which then affects the Pluto thing.

所以我的一切联系得如此紧密，我常常会感到迷失。

So everything is so tightly connected with mine, I tend to get a little lost.

但我确实想主要谈谈命盘分段和缓解因素，因为我有这种情况。

But I did wanna kind of talk primarily about, like, sect and mitigating factors just because I have that.

我知道上面有很多与关系相关的内容，你们之前也讨论过，但我主要想说的是，当你遇到这种情况时，该如何恰当地解读它。

And so I just wanted to I know there's so many things on there that relate to relationships that you guys were talking about, but primarily just that and how to kind of appropriately interpret that when you have something like that.

到目前为止，你的经验如何？

Has your experience been so far?

一些什么样的

What are some of the

特征呢？

characteristics of things?

我很有耐心，但有个限度，到了那一步，我就只想让你赶紧做完。

I am patient to a point, and then I am just kind of like, go ahead and just get it done.

我似乎总是吸引那些比较内向的人，这刚开始挺好，但时间久了，反而让我更容易独自承担更多。

I seem to attract people that are more reserved, which is good initially, but over time tend to kind of allow me to do more of that.

然后就会有点沮丧，为什么你就不能直接做呢？

And then there's a little bit of frustration in just why can't you just do this?

为什么你就不能直接做呢？

Why can't you just do it?

你知道的。

You know?

所以在关系中，我倾向于更注重行动。

So I tend to be more action oriented in relationship.

所以对我来说，我经常遇到这种情况，我会想：好吧，但你为什么就不能直接做了呢？

And so for me, I tend to run into that often where I'm like, Okay, but can't you just do it?

你为什么看不到这一点呢？

Why can't you see that?

你为什么就不能

Why can't you just

从不冲动的角度来做这件事。

do In a sense of not impulsivity.

比如从日常生活的角度，处女座的特质，就是每天一步步地把事情做完，更有条理，我通常会更多地承担这种风格。

Well, like from the daily routine, the Virgo piece, just on a day to day basis, just kind of getting things done just one step and just kind of more orderly and everything seems to I tend to take more of that on.

当然。

Sure.

然后是的。

And then Yeah.

所以通常我默认的做法就是：好吧，我直接做了。

So that's usually what I tend to default to is like, Okay, I'm just gonna do it.

我就自己做了。

I'll just do it.

我就自己做了。

I'll just do it.

好吧。

Okay.

然后我就精疲力尽了。

And then I get burned out.

我很好奇，因为你之前问过火星和木星在第七宫既是正面影响又是最具挑战性的问题。

I'm curious because you were asking about Mars and Jupiter being both the most positive and the most challenging in the seventh house.

通常来说，如果一个人的第七宫同时有这两颗行星，他们在一生中至少会经历其中一些情况。

Oftentimes people, if they have both in the seventh, they, over the course of their lifetime at least, experience some of both.

有时候这些经历发生在同一段关系中，有时候则发生在不同的关系里。

And sometimes that's in the same relationship and sometimes that's in different relationships.

既然我们之前在探讨与你人生经历相关的例子，你有没有经历过一些重要的关系，能明显体现出这两种星象的影响，或者两者都有？

And I'm curious since we were wondering about the anecdotes with regard to your life experience, have you had major relationships that really have been evocative of either or both of those placements?

非常积极，又非常具有挑战性吗？

Like really strongly positive, really strongly challenging?

没有。

No.

我觉得就是一种煎熬的感觉。

I think it's just kind of felt like a grind.

好的。

Okay.

一种煎熬？

Like a grind?

整体上就是一种煎熬。

Just a grind kind of overall.

而且我也是土星座。

And Well, I'm Saturn too.

是的。

Yeah.