占星学中的多重行星聚集：解读行星集群

但即使这不是正确的，这个词很可能也是在概念上或实践中逐渐发展出来的，也就是当有两个以上行星发生合相或位于同一星座时会发生什么？

But even if that's not correct, it probably just developed conceptually or practically as the idea of you know, what happens when there's more than two planets that are in a conjunction or in the same sign?

当有三个、四个或更多行星时会发生什么？

What happens when there's three or four or more?

我觉得这是有可能的。

I think that's possible.

而且 somewhere 肯定发生过一些变化，因为我知道在雅典人那里，他在日间星盘中将持矛者定义为与太阳成三分相的任何行星，而在夜间星盘中则是与月亮成六分相的任何行星。

And there would probably have to have been some change somewhere because I know that at least in entire because of Athens, he defines spear bearers in a day chart, any planets which are within a trine of the Sun in a day chart whereas in a nocturnal chart it's where any planets which are falling within a sextile of the Moon.

是的。

Yeah.

他给出了三种不同的灵性定义。

He gives three different definitions of spirit.

我想这是第二个或第三个定义。

I that's the second or third one.

但第一个定义是那些在太阳之前升起并为太阳扫清道路的行星。

But the first one is planets that are rising before the Sun and that clear the way for the Sun.

在同一星座吗？

In the same sign?

这并不明确，因为它没有给出具体范围，只是说如果它们在太阳之前升起，暗示它们离太阳足够近，已经相对较近地升起，所以可能在……之内。

It's not really clear because it doesn't give ranges, but it just says if they're rising before the Sun and it's implied that they're close enough to it that they've risen relatively recently, so they're probably within Okay.

那么它们就是

Well, then they're a

一两个星座。

sign or two.

有可能，是的。

Potentially, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

或者月亮，它说如果它们在月亮之后落下，那么在第一种持矛者定义中，它们是为月亮服务的持矛者。

Or the Moon, it says if they set after the Moon, then they're acting as spear bearers for the Moon in the first definition of spear bearing.

但随后它进一步阐述了那些与相位有关的其他定义，指出行星无需实际位于该星座内，也可以通过投射相位来保护太阳或月亮。

But then it later elaborates on that with those other ones that have to do with aspects and says that planets can cast aspects into the sign to protect the Sun or Moon without being present there themselves bodily.

我认为德梅特拉在她的第一本书《古代占星术第一卷》中对矛兵有完整的分析。

So Demetra has a whole breakdown of spear bearing I think in her first book, Ancient Astrology Volume one.

好的。

All right.

我觉得我们已经很好地梳理了一些基本概念。

I think we've done a pretty good job of breaking down some of the basics.

现在是不是该开始看一些星盘例子，以便深入细节了？

Is it time to start getting into some chart examples so we can get into the details?

是的，我觉得可以。

Yeah, I think so.

我想人们可能更想了解它在实际中是如何运作的？

I think people would probably like to see how does it actually work in practice?

当一个人的星盘中出现多重行星聚集时，这意味着某个宫位在他们的生活中被强化了？

What does it mean for a house be emphasized in someone's life with a stellium?

对。

Yeah.

我们可以从第一宫开始，但我并不想从第一宫的例子入手。

It's like we could start with first house, but I don't think I want to start with first house ones.

我想从其他宫位开始，因为我想立刻展示这个概念，我想通过几个不同的宫位例子来说明，当一个人在某个宫位有四颗或更多行星时，这个宫位往往会显得突出，与该宫位相关的主题也会在命主的生活中以某种独特的方式显现出来，相比普通人或没有四个以上行星落在同一星座的人更为明显。

I think I want to start with the other ones because I want to right away demonstrate that concept and I want to jump through some different house examples of what it actually looks like if somebody has a stellium in a house and how what will happen is that house will tend to stand out and the topics associated with that house will tend to stand out in the native's life as being distinctive in some way more so compared to the average or more so compared to some other average person's life who doesn't have four or more planets in that sign.

让我们来看一些例子，我通过Solar Fire软件在我的数据库中搜索了四星汇聚的案例。

Let's take a look at some examples of that where I did a search through my database using Solar Fire and asked it to return four planet stelliums for me.

我想要强调的第一个例子，其实是丽莎最先向我提出来的，我相信。

One of the first ones I wanted to highlight that I love is, this is actually an example that Lisa pointed out to me first, believe.

这位是儿童文学作家朱迪·布鲁姆，她获得过众多儿童文学最高奖项，写过大量儿童读物，我认为她最初开始写作时，正是她的孩子们还很小的时候。

This is the children's book author Judy Blume who has won like a bunch of the highest awards for children's books and she's written like a ton of children's books, which I think she actually got started writing at first when her children were really young.

她出生时天秤座上升，命盘中有四颗行星位于水瓶座，落在第五整宫，而第五宫两千年来传统上一直与子女相关。

She was born with Libra rising and she has four planets in the sign of Aquarius which are in the fifth whole sign house which is the house of course traditionally associated with children for the past two thousand years.

这是一个相当直接的例子：如果有人走进你的占星工作室——假设你开了一家占星店，就在街边，这个人走进来坐下，把命盘重重拍在桌上，说：‘告诉我我的人生吧。’

That's a pretty straightforward example where if somebody walked into your, let's say astrology business, let's say you have an astrology business that's on the street and this person just walks in and sits down and they slam their chart down on the table and they say, Tell me about my life.

你第一眼看到的就是：哇，你有四颗行星落在水瓶座，位于第五宫，也就是子女宫。

And the first thing that you see is, Wow, you have four planets in the sign of Aquarius in the fifth house of children.

关于这个人的一生，最简单直接的表述就是：你的生活中似乎会相当程度地关注孩子这个话题。

And the most simple basic statement you could make about that person's life is for some reason it seems like decent amount of focus in your life will be on the topic of children.

你甚至可以简单地说出这样的话，而这实际上对这个人来说会惊人地准确，因为她确实将生命中的大量时间——可能比普通人更多地——投入到孩子这个话题上。

And you could say something as simple as that and it would actually turn out to be stunningly true for this person because indeed she devoted and spent a great deal of time in her life, perhaps more time in her life than other people by average focusing on the topic of children.

很不错。

Pretty good.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

很直接吗？

Straightforward?

是的，相当直接。

Yeah, pretty straightforward.

第一宫的守护星落在第五宫，你可能会看到水星和木星在那里，它们都与写作和出版有关。

The ruler of the first in the fifth, you can get Mercury and Jupiter in there which have these connotations with writing publishing.

对。

Yeah.

所以你现在在探讨其他部分，而这也是一个重要的部分，也许我们应该拆解一下，因为我觉得这正是我在推特上看到的另一个问题，就是当你谈论星群中涉及的特定行星时，如何处理和权衡其他行星的介入？

So you're getting into other pieces and that's an important piece and maybe we should break that down because I think that was one of the other questions that did come in through Twitter that I picked up on which is how do you deal with and how do you weight some of the other planets when they come into play when you're talking about the specific planets that are involved in the stellium?

因为这部分内容很简单：如果你在任何宫位中有四颗行星，那么这个宫位就会更重要，到此为止，你可以就此停住。

Because there's some part of this which is just if you have four planets in any house, that house is going to be more important, end of sentence, and you can kind of stop there.

星群的一个好处就在于，你只需做出一个非常准确的陈述，然后就可以停在那里，这个陈述本身就能站得住脚，而无需进一步深入讨论：这个主题在那个人的生活中是如何展开的？是顺利还是充满挑战？或者其他细节，这些其实已经涉及到了星群中具体包含哪些行星的构成。

And that's one of the things that's nice about stelliums is you can make a strikingly accurate statement and just stop at that point and that statement will sort of hold up on its own without having to go into further details about, well, how does that topic go and do things go well in that person's life or do they go in a more challenging way or other details like that, which really gets into what is the composition of the stellium of what planets are involved.

但有一个权重因素会反复出现，那就是上升点的守护星。

But one weighting factor that really weights things that we're going to see come up over and over again one of the planets the ruler of the Ascendant.

在她的情况中，上升星座是天秤座。

In her case, has Libra rising.

上升点的守护星，这是星盘中非常重要的行星，就是金星。

The planet that rules the Ascendant, which is a very important planet in the chart is going to be Venus.

而金星实际上正是位于第五宫整宫星座水瓶座的星群中的一颗行星。

Venus is actually one of the planets that's in that stellium in the fifth whole sign house in Aquarius.

这有点复杂，因为这样一来，如果星群中的一颗行星同时也是上升点的守护星，就会进一步加重第五宫的分量，这意味着这个星群对人生的影响会比没有任何一颗行星是上升点守护星时更加重大或深远。

That's a little tricky because that then weights things differently where it puts even more emphasis on the fifth house if one of the planets is also the ruler of the Ascendant And I would say gives even more weight to the stelliums, that stellium is going to be even heavier or going to have an even larger impact or influence on the life than it might if none of those planets, for example, was the ruler of the Ascendant.

这对她来说会更个人化，因为在这张星盘中，她是由金星代表的。

Well, it would be more personal to her because she is represented by Venus in that chart.

所以，如果她没有金星落在第五宫，但仍然有太阳、水星和木星，那么我们可能会认为这些行星在第五宫的位置更与她关于孩子、青年或作为母亲养育自己孩子的经历相关。

So if she didn't have Venus in the fifth house but she still had the Sun, Mercury and Jupiter, then we might think that those planets in the fifth house would be more relevant to her experiences with children or youths or if she was a mother and dealing with her own children.

但事实上，她的上升宫主星也位于其中，这意味着她本人也在参与第五宫的主题，比如创意作品、游戏、娱乐、青年和孩子等。

But the fact that her Ascendant ruler is actually in there as well, she's sort of partaking in these fifth house themes and topics of creative works and play, recreation, and youth and children, etcetera.

是的，这样讲很好。

Yeah, think that's good.

对。

Yeah.

所以这是一个重要的点，因为上升宫主星及其所在宫位通常显示了一个人生命中倾向于聚焦的领域，相比普通人或其他人，这个主题在她生命中会更加突出。

So it's like that's a important thing because the ruler of the Ascendant and the house placement of it tends to show a topic that the native's life tends to be directed towards or where there tends to be more focus on that topic in the native's life than normal compared to just like the average or compared to other people.

所以这就变得有点复杂了，因为当出现重叠时，星群也会产生类似的效果——星群几乎就像宇宙中黑洞的图像，当你把大量质量集中在一起时，它就会把那个区域的空间拉向中心。

So it gets a little tricky then because when there's overlap because the stellium kind of does the same thing because the stellium is almost like those pictures of like a black hole where in space it's just like you put a bunch of weight and then it just like drags down or weighs down the space in that area.

星群的情况也类似，它们在某个领域投入了如此多的能量和引力，以至于几乎形成了一种扭曲场，以某种方式将你的注意力吸引过去。

Stelliums are kind of like the same thing where they just put so much weight and so much gravity in that area that it almost like becomes a distortion field that drags your attention to it in some way.

因此，星聚在某种程度上与上升宫主星间接所起的作用有些重叠。

So the stellium in some way is almost overlapping a little bit what the ruler of the Ascendant does indirectly.

这就有点复杂了，因为如果上升宫主星位于星聚之中，那么它会加重星聚的分量，反之亦然。

It's a little bit tricky then because if the ruler of the Ascendant is in the stellium, then it's going to put more weight on that stellium, but also vice versa.

星聚也会通过星座和宫位加强上升宫主星的影响力，使这个星座和宫位比仅有上升宫主星时更加突出。

The stellium will put more weight on the ruler of the Ascendant placement by sign and house and will make that sign and house stand out even more than it would have if it was just the ruler of the Ascendant there.

没错。

Correct.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这是一个需要考虑的因素。

So that's a factor.

在解读星聚及其影响效果时，其他因素还包括星聚由吉星还是凶星组成，同时还需要考虑命盘的昼夜属性：白天命盘中最具正面意义的行星是木星，夜晚命盘中则是金星；相反，白天命盘中最具挑战性的行星是火星，夜晚命盘中则是土星，要看这些行星是否位于星聚之中。

Other factors in terms of interpreting stelliums and how well the topic goes is the stellium composed of benefic planets or malefic planets and also you need to take into account factors like sect and whether the most positive planet in the chart is in the stellium according to the concept of sect which is going to be Jupiter in a day chart or Venus in a night chart or conversely is the most challenging or negative planet according to sect in the stellium which is gonna be Mars in a day chart or Saturn in a night chart.

这会在个人生活中该领域周围制造一些更多张力或困难。

That's gonna create a little bit more tension or a little bit more difficulties surrounding that area in the person's life.

所以对于朱迪·布鲁姆来说，情况有点复杂，但总体而言，她那里有相对不错的行星，包括水星、木星、太阳和金星。

So with Judy Blume, it's a little bit mixed, but it's like for the most part, she's got relatively nice planets placed there which are Mercury, Jupiter, the Sun and Venus.

情况变得有点复杂，因为所有这些都由夜盘中的土星主宰，而土星位于第七宫，这实际上与她公开谈论过的婚姻关系困境有关，因为她有火星和土星位于第七整宫。

It gets a little bit complicated because it's all ruled by Saturn in a night chart in the seventh, but that actually ends up relating more to some relationship struggles that she had that she was very open about having Mars and Saturn in the seventh whole sign house.

构成星聚的行星有哪些？

What planets are composing the stellium?

上升宫主星和星聚是同一个吗？

Is the ruler of the Ascendant and the stellium?

这些都是会以不同方式影响判断的因素。

These are different factors that will weigh things differently.

另一个我们可以考虑的权重因素是‘三大要素’，即太阳和月亮的重要性，尤其是在日盘中太阳、夜盘中月亮的作用。

Another weighing factor that we could take into account is the big three and just the concept of the big three of your Sun and Moon being so important and especially the Sun in day chart or the Moon in a night chart.

如果你的星聚部分由其中之一构成，那也会增加额外的分量，使其更紧密地与你的个性及某些性格特征联系起来，否则可能不会这么明显。

If your stellium is partially composed of one of those, that's also going to add additional weight and it's going to tie it in more with your personality and certain types of personality characteristics than it might otherwise.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

此外，你还可以考虑各行星的宫主关系，因为每个行星同时也掌管一个或多个宫位，这不仅带来了行星本身的自然含义，还引入了其所掌管宫位的主题。

And then you can also throw in rulerships in there as well that each of those planets also serves as the ruler of a house or houses and sort of further doesn't just import its natural significations but also topics of the houses that it rules.

所以，当你把所有这些信息都写出来时，情况可能会变得相当复杂，这些信息共同揭示了这个聚星的全部内涵。

So it can get pretty complicated, when you write it all out, it's giving you all of that information about that stellium.

每个行星都掌管一到两个宫位，并带来相应的意义，这也是为什么‘黑洞’这个比喻可能不太恰当的原因，我一时也想不出更好的比喻。

The fact that each of those planets rules one or two houses and it's importing significations, that's the other reason why it's kind of like this black hole maybe isn't the best analogy and I'm struggling to come up with a better one.

这种聚星就像一个引力场，将大量能量吸引到其中，因为它在星盘中集中了过多的行星，而不是均匀分布——‘平衡’这个词并不准确，但确实存在一种能量的集中或强化，即一个星座或宫位集中了大量行星，这与大多数人通常只有一两个或没有行星落在同一星座的情况形成鲜明对比。

Just the idea of that being this displacement field that just draws so much energy into it and has so much energy because it has so much weight in it due to the preponderance basically of planets in the chart being in one sector of the chart rather than being spread out evenly so that they're more not balanced because balanced isn't the right term, but certainly there is a concentration or an intensification of the energy of just one sign or one house which is somewhat unusual compared to most people just have like one or two or zero planets in a specific sign rather than having all of them in the same sign.

对。

Right.

我想我们或许应该提一下聚星的极端情况，因为我们确实遇到过一些这样的例子。

I guess maybe we should mention the extreme version of the stellium because we did actually have some of those.

比如，1962年2月左右，水瓶座曾出现过一次行星大聚集，当时有不少水瓶座聚星的人，对吧？

For example, in was it like February 1962, there was a big pile up of planets in Aquarius and there were some Aquarius stellium people, right?

是的。

Yeah.

我们对这两个人了解不多。

Who were our two We don't have a lot to say about them.

这个是由克莱尔·穆恩发现的。

And this one was found by Claire Moon.

我想特别感谢她发现了这个案例。

I wanted to give her a shout out for finding this one.

比如，乡村歌手加思·布鲁克斯的星盘中有一个水瓶座星群，包括土星、火星、水星、南交点、太阳、木星、金星以及中天度数，全部位于水瓶座。

Garth Brooks, for example, the country singer has a stellium in Aquarius where it's like Saturn, Mars, Mercury, South Node, Sun, Jupiter, Venus, and the Midheaven degree all in Aquarius.

有大量行星集中在同一个星座和同一个宫位。

Just a ton of planets in that same sign and in that same house.

他唯一没有包含在其中的是月亮，月亮位于双鱼座，实际上几天前才刚刚离开水瓶座。

And the only ones that he doesn't have in there are like the Moon which is in Pisces, it just actually barely got out of Aquarius a couple days earlier.

然后北交点在狮子座，天王星在狮子座，冥王星在处女座，海王星在天蝎座。

Then the North Nodes in Leo and Uranus is in Leo, Pluto is in Virgo and Neptune is in Scorpio.

你其实还找到了另一位拥有同样水瓶座星群的名人，对吧？

So you actually found one other big celebrity who was that same Aquarius stellium, right?

会是埃德·伊扎德吗？

Would that be Edde Izzard?

我的意思是，我不能声称是我发现的。

I mean, I can't claim I discovered it.

我的意思是，我知道他作为

I mean, I know of him as

是的。

being Yeah.

一部分

A part

但埃德·伊扎德也有同样的星群。

But, Edde Izzard has that same stellium.

我们现在还不确定是否该相信他的出生时间。

Now we're not exactly sure whether or not to trust the birth time.

据称，他的网站上说出生时冥王星在上升，但那也可能只是开玩笑。

Apparently, on his website, they said that Pluto was rising the time they were born, but they could have been joking too.

是的

Yeah.

所以可能是处女座上升，也可能是狮子座晚期上升，如果他们使用的是像普拉西杜斯这样的 quadrant 宫位系统，也会将冥王星解读为上升点。

So it could be either Virgo rising or it could even be late Leo rising if they were using quadrant houses like Placidus that would also indicate they would interpret that as Pluto rising as well.

是的

Yeah.

我能联想到与埃德·伊扎德相关的第六宫主题的，是他为了慈善决定连续完成多场马拉松，进行这些超长距离跑步来筹款。

The only thing that I would be able to sort of connect to sixth house themes about, Edde Izzard is the fact that for, I guess, charity, they decided to They did multiple marathons consecutively, did these huge long distance runs to to to raise money.

而埃德·伊扎德之前从未接受过任何专业跑步训练，但他却在很短的时间内完成了极其惊人的距离，这恰好呼应了第六宫所代表的努力主题，让我想到火星与土星的特质——那种充满能量和坚韧、能吃苦耐劳的人。

And Edde Izzard had never done any like professional running before, but it was like some ridiculous length that he he ran over a small period of time and sort of connects to those sort of six house themes of like effort saying, it makes me think of like Mars Saturn like is someone who has like a lot of energy and a lot of, grit to be able to work hard and stuff like that.

是的

Yeah.

我的意思是，有可能，但我不确定。

I mean, it could be, but I don't know.

回想他们早期的脱口秀，如果他们真的是天秤座上升，天王星靠近上升点落在第一宫，而上升主星木星位于水瓶座，落入第七宫并与木星形成合相，那将非常有趣。

Thinking about some of their early specials, it would be really interesting if they did have lately arising and that Uranus would be close to the Ascendant in the first and then the ruler of the Ascendant would be that Jupiter in Aquarius, which would then be in the seventh house applying to conjunction with Jupiter.

没错。

That's true.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我不希望，

So I'm not Hopefully,

这属于那种我们脑海中可能有数百个类似的情况——我只是希望在我去世前，某天能弄清楚埃德·伊扎德的出生时间，或者许多其他可能至死都不知自己准确出生时间的名人。

this is one of those We have probably hundreds of these in our mind which are just like, I hope before I die at some point I find out Edde Izzard's birth time or many other celebrities who will probably go to the grave not knowing what the correct birth time is.

但偶尔你还是会发现某位名人的出生时间，确认之后总是令人愉快的。

But every once in a while you find out celebrity birth time and it's always nice to have that confirmed one way or another.

是的。

Yeah.

这其实引出了我们正在合作开发的一个校时课程，我们计划教大家一些当你试图确定自己的上升星座时需要考虑的因素，帮助你缩小范围。

So that actually brings up a rectification course that you and I are working on where we're thinking about doing a rectification course and teaching people some of the factors that you would take into account if you were trying to figure out your Ascendant or rising sign and you're trying to narrow it down.

例如，刚才那个只是快速讨论了一下，显然我们对他的生活了解不多，除了少数公开的信息。

For example, in that one, that was just a very quick thing and obviously we don't know a lot about his life aside from a few public things.

但当你有人告诉你关于你的人生，并提供你需要的所有信息，或者当你试图弄清楚自己的星盘，缩小正确的上升星座或命宫范围时。

But when you do have somebody that will tell you about your life and give you all the information you need or if you're trying to figure out your own birth chart and narrow down the correct rising sign or the correct Ascendant.

所以，如果人们对这门课程感兴趣，请告诉我们，因为我们正在认真考虑开发这样一门课程。

So yeah, if people would be interested in a class on that, let us know because we're considering very strongly about developing one.

对此非常期待。

Very excited about that.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

让我们回到其他宫位的例子。

Let's go back to some other house examples.

我们刚才讲的是哪一个？

Which one did we just do?

我们刚讲了埃德·伊扎德。

We just did Edde Izzard.

对。

Right.

哦，对，还有朱迪·布鲁姆。

Oh, yeah, did Judy Blume.

你其实还有一个和朱迪·布鲁姆很配的例子，是另一个第五宫的案例，对吧？

You actually had another one that was a nice one to put together with the Judy Blume one which was another fifth house example, right?

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

这是星盘。

So here's the chart.

这是托马斯·比蒂的星盘。

So this is the chart for Thomas Beatie.

是的。

Yeah.

这是托马斯·比蒂的星盘。

So this is the chart of Thomas Beatie.

你可以看到，和朱迪·布鲁姆一样，他出生时天秤座上升，上升宫的主宰星金星位于第五宫，就像朱迪·布鲁姆的太阳、金星、水星、木星一样。

And so you can see just like Judy Blume, he was born with Libra rising with the ruler of the Ascendant Venus placed in the fifth whole same house much like Judy Blume, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter.

托马斯·比蒂是一位跨性别男性，也是跨性别生育和生殖正义及生殖权益的倡导者。

And Thomas Beatie is a trans man who is an advocate for trans fertility and reproductive justice and reproductive matters.

他在2008年至2010年间因被称为‘首个跨性别怀孕者’而获得了大量媒体关注。

And he received a lot of media attention back in 2008 through 2010 for being sort of the quote unquote first trans, first pregnant man.

因此，看到上升宫主宰星如何将这个人与生育、性、生殖和子女等议题联系起来，非常有趣。

And so it's really interesting to see how the ruler of the Ascendant connects this person to the topic of fertility, sexuality, reproduction, children.

他育有三个孩子，有趣的是，和朱迪·布鲁姆一样，第五宫的主宰星是夜间的土星。

And so he had three children, and it's interesting as well because similar to Judy Blume, the ruler of the fifth house is ruled by this nighttime Saturn.

后来，不幸的是，他与伴侣的关系出现了问题，涉及孩子抚养权和一些争议。

And so a little later on, unfortunately, things didn't go so well with the partner and there was some, controversies or problems with the partner in dealing with the children and sort of custody battles and things like that.

因此，我认为这很好地揭示了朱迪·布鲁姆和托马斯·比蒂之间的共性：他们的生活都与第五宫的主题紧密相连——不仅是像朱迪·布鲁姆那样的艺术创造力，还包括将生育视为一种创造或生成的过程。

So I think that's a really interesting way we can see the commonality between Judy Blume and Thomas Beatie in that they both had lives which have this special connection to these fifth house topics of creativity, not just creative arts like for Judy Blume, but even relating to this notion of reproduction as creativity or creation.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, totally.

这是一个四行星汇聚，包含四个明确的行星，而且其中一个是上升星座的守护星，也就是掌管天秤座上升的金星。

And it's a four planet stelliums, that's four definite planets and then also one of them is the ruler of the Ascendant which is that Venus ruling the Libra rising.

这是一个很好的例子，展示了我们如何通过第五宫的星盘位置来观察原型，但显然这些原型有多种不同的表现方式。

So it's a great example and that's another example of how we're seeing archetypes with the astrology of fifth house placement, but then obviously there's a lot of different ways that can work out.

此外，还有很多具体的细节取决于涉及的行星、个人星盘中的其他配置，以及这个人所处的生活背景——即这个人带入情境的背景，这些背景会融入并赋予星盘生命力，从而以符合其人生的方式体现这些原型。

And then there's a lot of different specifics based on the planets involved and the rest of the configurations in the person's chart as well as just their life context of like what is the context that this person is bringing to the table which then is infused in and helps give life to this chart and then they manifest some version of that that fits their life in an archetypal sense.

是的，这是个很好的例子。

Yeah, so good example.

所以这些是几个第五宫的例子。

So those are a couple of fifth house examples.

我想我们没有其他第五宫的例子了吧？

I don't think we have any other fifth house examples, do we?

我们漏掉了什么吗？

Are we missing any?

我的意思是，我看了很多例子，但尽量挑了一些容易理解的。

Mean, I went through bunches, but I tried to find ones that people might be able to more easily understand.

实际上，很多例子都需要大量解释。

Actually, lot of them required a lot of explanation.

是的。

Yeah.

我其实有一个例子。

I actually have one.

我忘了我还有一个例子。

I forgot that I have one more.

这是一个更令人沮丧的例子，跟我个人有关，但它让我联系到一个其实挺美好的相位关系。

This is more of a depressing example that's more personal to me and it allows me to connect a synastry thing that's actually kind of nice.

我过去用过的一个第五宫例子是我父亲的星盘，我没有把他的星盘放进我的书里，我想我只是提到了一下。

So one of my fifth house examples that I've used in the past is actually my dad's chart who I didn't slip this chart in my book, I think I alluded to it.

这是他的实际星盘，他有巨蟹座上升，而且几乎形成了一个巨蟹座合相，包括月亮、天王星、木星、上升点和南交点都在巨蟹座。

This is the actual chart and he had Cancer rising and then an almost quasi Cancer stellium with the Moon, Uranus, Jupiter, Ascendant and South Node in Cancer.

但更重要且更相关的是，有一个天蝎座星群，包括水星、土星、太阳和金星，位于第五全相位宫位的天蝎座，且为夜盘。

But more importantly and more relevantly a Scorpio stellium with Mercury, Saturn, the Sun and Venus in Scorpio in the fifth whole sign house in a night chart.

幸运点也在第五宫的天蝎座。

The Lot of Fortune's also there in Scorpio in the fifth house.

所以在1980年代初到中期，他和我妈妈在一起了，而他是更想要孩子的人，比我妈妈更渴望要孩子。

So during in the early to mid 1980s, he and my mom got together and he was the one that was actually interested in having children or more interested in having children than my mom was.

不幸的是，他们开始要孩子的时候正值他的土星回归期，土星经过天蝎座并激活了他第五宫的星群。

Unfortunately, part of it is they started having children during his Saturn return when Saturn went through Scorpio and went through his fifth house and activated that fifth house stellium.

但太阳位于第五宫，所以这确实是一个夜盘。

But the Sun is there in the fifth house, so this is actually a night chart.

因此，土星与命盘的昼夜属性相悖，是命盘中最困难的行星。

So Saturn is contrary to the sect and it's the most difficult planet in the chart.

不幸的是，这期间的第一件事是，在我出生前一年，我有一个哥哥出生了，但他出生后第一年内就因婴儿猝死综合征夭折了。

Unfortunately, the first part of that was that a year before me, I had an older brother who was born, but he actually died as an infant within his first year of life of sudden infant death syndrome.

他们把婴儿留给保姆照看，出去了一趟，回来时发现孩子已经 tragically 死去了。

They left the baby with a babysitter and went out and came back and the baby had died really tragically.

在那段哀悼过程中的某个时刻，我随后被怀上，当土星行至天蝎座15度时我来到了这个世界。

And at some point during that grieving process at some point, I then was conceived and came along later when Saturn was at 15 degrees of Scorpio.

有趣的是，他拥有这个天蝎座星群，这不仅包括土星，还包括金星——因此金星成了星盘中最积极的行星。

And then what's funny about that of course with him having that Scorpio stellium which doesn't just include Saturn but also includes Venus which is consequently the most positive planet in the chart.

所以出现了一种奇特的双重性：星盘中最具正面和最具负面的行星同时存在，你因此同时得到了两者。

So there's a weird sort of dual thing that comes into play where the most positive and most negative planets in the chart so you kind of get both.

因此，有趣的是，如果他有一个位于第五宫的天蝎座星群，而在我出生时正值他的土星回归，而我也恰好拥有一个天蝎座星群，并且正好落在他的第五宫。

So one of the things that's funny then of course is if he has a stellium fifth in Scorpio, who comes along then at his Saturn return which is me who has also a Scorpio stellium which happens to fall in his fifth house.

这是一种有趣的相位互动：有时你必须意识到，当一个人拥有星群时，这个星群会落在另一个人星盘的某个宫位，并以不同方式激活它。

So that's kind of an interesting synastry thing where sometimes you have to think about when somebody has a stellium that that stellium is going to fall in a house in somebody's chart and is going to activate that in different ways.

有时这可能体现在第七宫，如果对方拥有一个落在你第七宫的星群，他们就可能成为你重要的伴侣；或者如果你的星群落在他们的第七宫，而你的星群落在第九宫或第三宫，他们就可能成为你重要的老师；如果落在第十一宫，他们可能是你重要的朋友；甚至如果落在第十二宫或第六宫，他们可能成为你最大的敌人，或类似的角色。

Sometimes that could be like the seventh house and they could be like an important relationship partner for you if they have like a stellium that falls in your seventh house or if your stellium falls in their seventh house, it could be in your, let's say ninth house or third house or something and they could be an important teacher for you, your eleventh house and they could be an important friend or maybe even like let's say twelfth house or sixth house, they could be an important enemy of your greatest enemy or something like that.

星群在相位互动中还有许多其他发挥作用的方式，这也是一个值得思考的有趣话题。

There's lots of different ways that stelliums also come into play through synastry, which is another interesting thing to think about.

克里斯，这是最悲伤又最温馨的故事。

That was the saddest and sweetest story, Chris.

谢谢。

Thank you.

那就是我。

That is me.

那就是我擅长的。

That is what I'm good at.

这也很有趣。

And it's interesting too.

我注意到，当人们要孩子时，相关的第五宫相位似乎常常发生在孩子出生前后。

Something I've noticed when people are having children that sometimes the relevant fifth house transit seems to be happening around the time of birth.

也有些情况出现了第五宫的超越现象，我当时在想，这到底意味着什么？

And there have been some cases where there have been any kind of fifth house transcendence and I was kind of wondering, well, what is that about?

但当我回溯到出生前九个月，那时你才会看到明显的第五宫现象。

But then if I scroll back nine months prior to the birth, then that's when you see the big fifth house thing.

因此，有趣的是，当一个人成为父母时，第五宫的激活或相位并不总是对应着分娩时刻，有时却对应着受孕时刻，或出生后不久。

So it's interesting to see how sometimes the fifth house activation or transit for someone when they're becoming a parent doesn't always correspond with the birth, but sometimes with the conception or something just after birth.

所以，克里斯，这真是个有趣的例子。

So yeah, really interesting example, Chris.

对。

Yeah.

我们其实曾经讨论过这一点。

We talked about that actually at one point.

我想是在第15集时，你和我讨论过在出生时刻使用择时占星术的伦理问题，但那不是我提起这个的主要原因。

I think it was in episode 15 you and I talked about the ethics of using electional astrology at the time of birth, but that wasn't the main reason I'm bringing that up.

我提起这个的主要原因是，当你生下最后一个孩子时，你正处于土星回归期，发生在第五宫。

The main reason I was bringing it up because you were having a Saturn return when you had your last child in the fifth Yes.

宫。

House,

是的。

Yeah.

幸运的是，情况比你父亲的好多了。

Luckily, it's gone better than your father's.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这就是占星术。

I mean, that's astrology.

你说什么？

What did you say?

你说它既是最甜蜜的，也是最令人沮丧的。

You said it's like the sweetest and the most depressing.

我的意思是，这就是占星术，你必须适应这一点，但真正让我觉得不可思议的是，它背后那种深层的意义、目的、命运和宿命感，贯穿了人们的生活，有时带来极其悲剧的结局，但有时在同一句话中又蕴含着极其美好的事物。

I mean, that's astrology and that's something you have to get used to, but it's also the part that's really amazing to me that's underlying everything, is the underlying sense of meaning and purpose and destiny and fate that interweaves throughout people's lives and sometimes has really tragic things, but also sometimes has really beautiful things in the same sentence.

这仍然是我最终欣赏占星术的地方，我认为它是一种价值，是一种美丽，而不仅仅总是令人压抑或沮丧的东西。

That's something I still ultimately appreciate about the astrology and I see as a value and as something that's beautiful rather than just always something that's overwhelming or depressing or what have

你。

you.

对。

Right.

是的，苦乐参半。

Yeah, bittersweet.

这确实很神奇。

It's definitely amazing.

对。

Right.

这些就是我的第五宫例子。

So those are my fifth house examples.

我们继续看其他宫位吧。

Let's move on to some other houses.

第七宫呢？

How about seventh house?

我有一个关于第七宫的令人沮丧的例子。

I have one depressing seventh house example.

让我看看我有没有一些积极的例子。

Let me see if I have some positive ones.

你对第七宫又有什么例子？

What do you got for seventh house again?

有点小压抑，但我有扎克·施奈德

It's a little tiny bit depressing, but I have Zack Snyder

我们

who we

对他有很高的评价，他出生时太阳、水星、火星、土星都聚集在双鱼座第七宫。

have an A rated time for, and he was born at a Sun Mercury Mars Saturn stellium in the Pisces seventh.

好的。

Okay.

所以是天秤上升、双鱼座星群。

So Virgo rising Pisces stellium.

是的。

Yeah.

所以第一宫的守护星落在第七宫。

So the ruler of the first is in the seventh.

因此我们知道，这对他的来说将是一段更个人化的体验。

So we know that this is going to be a more personal sort of experience for him.

所以本质上，斯奈德显然对自己的私人生活非常低调，但仅从基本事实来看，我们可以推断他与感情关系有着复杂的过往。

So essentially, Snyder is obviously he's very private about his personal life, but just from the basic facts, we can tell that he has had a complicated history with relationships.

他与三位不同的妻子或女性育有八个孩子。

He has eight children with three different wives or three different women.

这一点本身就很有趣。

And so that in itself is sort of interesting.

我认为他是在土星回归期间遇到现任妻子的，但当时他已婚。

I think he met his current wife at his Saturn return, but he was married at the time that he first met her.

我认为扎克·斯奈德第七宫中另一个非常有趣的地方是，水星不仅守护他自己的第一宫，还守护第十宫——代表上司和权威。

And I think one of the other really interesting things about Zack Snyder's seventh house is the fact that Mercury in the it doesn't just rule the first house himself, but it also rules the tenth house of bosses and authorities.

而且他第七宫的守护星也落在第十宫。

And he also has the ruler of the seventh house in the tenth.

因此，当你看到第十宫与第七宫的互动时，通常表明一个人的伴侣关系与其职业活动有关。

And so usually when you see like a tenth house, seventh house interaction, it can indicate that one's partnerships have a connection to one's professional activities.

这非常有趣，因为最终与他婚姻时间最长的那位女性，他初次遇见她时正处于土星回归期，而当时他已婚，她却聘请他拍摄广告。

So it's really interesting because the woman he eventually would be married for the longest amount of time he was currently married to, he first met her at his Saturn return and she hired him to work on a commercial.

几年后，当他离婚了，他们再次相遇，她又聘请了他工作。

And then they met up a few years later when he was divorced and she hired him again.

如今，他们一起制作他的电影，并共同创立了一家制片公司。

And now they work together on producing his movies, they founded production company.

因此，他们之间既有职业关系，又有着婚姻中的个人与浪漫联系。

So they have this professional relationship that is also a personal and romantic one in marriage.

也许正因为第七宫由吉星掌管，才对他的第七宫有所帮助，但我们也知道，其他行星的存在表明他经历了多次分离，且由于这些关系牵涉到众多孩子，后果往往非常严重。

So maybe the fact that it's ruled by benefic is helping out his seventh house, but we also know that the presence of these other planets shows that he's endured several separations and obviously with high consequences, high stakes with that many children being involved in these partnerships.

还值得一提的是，从技术上讲，他的星盘属于夜盘，因为太阳已落至地平线以下。

And it's also worth mentioning that he's technically a night chart because the Sun has gone below the horizon.

扎克·施奈德遭遇的一件真正悲剧是，他的一个孩子因自杀离世，这迫使他不得不退出一部电影的制作，而他的第五宫主宰星正位于第七宫附近，与火星相邻。

And one of the really tragic things that happened to Zack Snyder is that one of his children died from suicide, which caused him to have to leave the production of a film and he has the ruler of the fifth in the seventh in proximity to Mars.

因此我们知道，他的土星及其所主宰的宫位可能与某些悲剧有关。

And so we just know that there's some tragedy potentially associated with his Saturn and his placement in the houses that it rules.

是的，有点沉重。

Yeah, a bit heavy.

由于这是他的私生活，我们并不掌握所有细节，但我们可以判断，即使对这个人一无所知，仅凭星群及其主宰星的 placements，我们仍能对他的生活做出一些推断。

And we don't have all the details because obviously it's his personal life, but we can tell that if we didn't know anything about this person, we would still be able to make some of these statements about his life just based on the placement of the stellium and its rulers.

是的，这非常好，也非常有趣。

Yeah, that's really good and really interesting.

这很好，因为存在一种交叉关联。

This is good because there's a crossover suit.

他结过三次婚，并且在代表关系与婚姻的第七宫有多个行星聚集。

He was married three times and he has a stellium in the seventh house of relationships and marriage.

实际上，我还有另一个第七宫的例子，那个人也结过三次婚，那就是卡尔·萨根的出生图。

Actually have another One of my seventh house examples is like that and was also married three times and that is the birth chart of Carl Sagan.

卡尔·萨根出生时天秤座上升，他的水星、木星、金星和太阳全部位于天蝎座，落在第七整宫。

Carl Sagan was born with Taurus rising and he had Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and the Sun all in Scorpio in the seventh whole sign house.

所以它们实际上位于地平线以下，属于第六宫 quadrant，但我不用 quadrant 宫位系统，因为很明显它们属于他的第七宫。

So they're actually below the horizon, so it's in the sixth quadrant house, but that's why I don't use quadrant houses because it's clearly in his seventh house.

而且他也结过三次婚。

And he also was married three times.

他一生中有过三段重要的关系。

He had three major relationships during the course of his life.

有趣的是，就像你的例子，他的最后一段关系是和一位女性结婚，她们后来一起合作，做了很多工作。

And interestingly, like your example, his last relationship, he was married to a woman who ended up They ended up partnering up together and doing a lot of work together.

我想《宇宙》系列的一部分就是他们合作的成果，他们还一起合作完成了他最后一本书《接触》。

I think part of like the Cosmos series and they ended up collaborating on that and they also ended up collaborating on that last book that he did which is the book Contact.

在他去世后，我想她还帮助推动了一些项目完成，包括最终将《接触》拍成了电影，由乔迪·福斯特主演。

And then I think she helped after he died to see some of his projects through to completion afterwards including eventually making a movie out of Contact that ended up starring Jodie Foster.

这是一个人

This is somebody who

哦，我看过的那部电影。

Oh, I that movie.

这是一部很棒的电影。

It's a great movie.

这是我最喜欢的电影之一。

It's one of

我也最喜欢这部电影。

my favorite movies as well.

我会时不时重看一遍。

I rewatch it every once in a while.

这还是马修·麦康纳早期的电影呢。

Early Matthew McConaughey movie too actually.

是的。

Yes.

对，没错。

Yeah, true.

他至今还是单身。

He's still shotless.

对。

Right.

是的，幸好如此。

Yeah, thankfully.

另一个例子是婚姻显然很重要，或者他结过三次婚，所以关系和婚姻至少是这个人生命中的重要部分。

Is another one where marriage was obviously important or he was married three different times, so at least relationship and marriage was an important part of this person's life.

到了后期，这不仅与他的感情生活联系在一起，甚至与他的事业以及他最终对世界做出的行动和贡献紧密相连。

Then towards the end, it actually became tied up not just with his love life, but even with his career and with the actions and contributions that he ended up making to the world in general.

而且对他来说，这又是上升星座的守护星，这与你刚才提到的情况有重叠——他是金牛座上升，金星就在那里。

And it's interesting with him again, it's ruler of the Ascendant as well which is kind of overlap with the one you just used where he's Taurus rising and has Venus there.

所以，生命的焦点或整体方向，同时被这个星群所牵动。

So there's something about the focus or the overall direction of the life that gets caught in the stellium at the same time.

好吧。

All right.

所以这些是第七宫的例子。

So those are seventh house examples.

我另一个偶尔会用的第七宫例子稍微有点压抑，但就像经典的科特·柯本的例子，这个案例实际上和你的扎克·施奈德星盘非常相似。

My only other seventh house example I use sometime is a little bit more depressing, but it's like the classic, the Kurt Cobain example, which actually looks very similar to your Zack Snyder chart.

我想我们发现他们其实出生时间相差一年，但他们的某些星盘位置有重叠。

I think we discovered that they were actually born a year apart, but they have some overlap with some of their placements.

科特·柯本是处女座上升，水星位于双鱼座，落在第七宫整宫，与太阳、金星和土星同在。

So Kurt Cobain was Virgo rising with Mercury in Pisces in the seventh whole sign house along with the Sun and Venus and Saturn.

这一点尤其相关、有趣且引人注目的是，他生命后期确实经历了一段重要的关系。

And the main thing that's sort of relevant and interesting and remarkable about this is just that he did have this major relationship towards the end of his life.

我的意思是，早年也有一些与关系相关的事，比如《Smells Like Teen Spirit》这首歌，我认为名字来源于他前女友曾经说过的一句话。

I mean, there were relevant relationship things like I think Smells Like Teen Spirit for example, I think it was named after some comments that one of his ex girlfriends made at one point.

他早年生活中，关系也曾经很重要。

There's little bits from earlier in his life where relationships were important.

但在夜盘中，他把金星——最积极的行星——和土星——最消极的行星——都放在了第七宫。

But he has Venus there in a night chart, the most positive planet, but also Saturn there in a night chart as the most negative planet.

他因关系得到了一些非常积极的东西，但也经历了一些非常艰难的挑战。

He both had some very positive things as a result of relationships, but also some very challenging things.

在他生命的最后几年，他 famously 在土星回归期间去世，年纪轻轻就离世了。

And in the last few years of his life, of course, he famously died during his Saturn return, he died young.

但他与科特妮·洛芙走到了一起，一方面她是他的真爱，但另一方面，在他生命末期，当他于意大利自杀未遂时，正是她拨打了报警电话。

But he got together with Courtney Love who on the one hand was like the love of his life, but then on the other hand And in some respects towards the end of his life tried to save him when he had a suicide attempt in Italy, she was the one that called the police.

尽管普遍流传着许多关于科特妮 allegedly 杀害科特的阴谋论，但也有大量相反的证据表明，她确实曾试图挽救他，包括与他的朋友们一起进行干预。

And even though it's commonly, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that Courtney supposedly killed Kurt, There's a lot of contrary things where it seems like she actually tried some things to try to save him including doing an intervention with his friends.

但另一方面，也有一些负面因素，比如他们两人因共同使用海洛因而产生共鸣，这在某种程度上加剧了他最终的堕落——他在一次自杀未遂后，所有亲友都劝他进入康复中心，而他几周后却逃离了那里，最终导致了他的死亡。

But then on the other hand, there were some bad things like the fact that both of them bonded over their mutual heroin usage and that that ended up contributing in some ways to his eventual spiral that eventually led to his death after he broke out of a rehab facility that all of his friends and family had urged him to go to just a few weeks earlier after a suicide attempt.

所以情况非常复杂，但要知道，科特·柯本拥有一个双鱼座星群，全部位于代表关系与婚姻的第七宫。

So it's really complicated, but knowing that Kurt Cobain had a Pisces stellium and that was all in his seventh house of relationships and marriage.

而那个至今仍具影响力的著名事实——人们仍在拍摄关于他妻子是否参与其死亡的电影和阴谋论——本身就显得既有趣又讽刺。

Then the famous even still lasting impact, the fact that they're still making movies and conspiracy theories about whether his wife was involved in his death is just interesting and ironic even just at that.

完全正确。

Totally.

当然，他在遗书中著名地写道，自嘲地称自己为‘一个悲伤的小双鱼座’，并向他的女儿和妻子道歉，因自己离开他们。

And he of course famously signed in his suicide note, he referred to himself in passing as like a sad little Pisces as he was apologizing to his daughter and his wife for leaving them.

这一点也一直让我印象深刻，因为某种程度上，他认同了人们与双鱼座相关的某些性格特质，但部分原因在于，在夜盘中，土星在双鱼座的强烈位置在某种程度上拖累了整个星群，或者至少让其中一些更具挑战性的方面凸显了出来。

And that's always sort of also stuck with me just in terms of that in some ways he identified with some of the character traits that people associate with Pisces, but partially because it has that heavy Saturn placement there in a night chart in Pisces, was kind of dragging down the stellium to some extent or at least some of the more challenging aspects of it were coming to the forefront.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

All right.

这就是我关于第七宫的令人沮丧的例子。

So that's my depressing seventh house example.

我们来轻松一点吧。

Let's lighten this up a little bit.

我们继续交替讨论一些，你知道的，

We're going keep alternating between like, you know

拇指和食指。

Thumbas and uppas.

对，我正努力挑一些积极的例子。

Yeah, I'm trying to pull out some good ones.

帮帮我，快速找几个积极的例子来扭转气氛。

Help me find some good ones really quickly to turn this around.

我的意思是，单从星座角度来看，我不确定这个人的出生时间是否准确，但有人，克莱尔·穆恩，提醒我碧昂丝有一个强大的天秤座星群。

I mean, for just like sign based ones, I don't know that the birth time for this one is good, but somebody, Claire Moon, pointed out to me that Beyonce has a Libra stellium, like a really powerful Libra stellium.

我觉得这很有趣，包括水星、土星、木星、金星和冥王星。

I think that's really interesting of Mercury, Saturn, Jupiter, Venus and Pluto.

我认为这是一个绝佳的例子，说明一个人如何以一种强大而有效的方式运用金星主导的星群，成为全球最著名、收入最高的创意艺术家之一——作为歌手，她不仅限于唱歌，还完全掌控艺术方向，并在职业生涯中走向了极具艺术性的道路。

And I think that's just a great example of somebody that's using a Venus based stellium in a very powerful and very effective way to be one of the most notable and highest earning creative artists in the world as a singer, but also in the way that she's not just a singer but really has full artistic control over and has gone in very artistic directions with her career.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

我觉得特别有趣的是，碧昂丝和那个年代的许多其他流行歌手都出生于MTV首次开播的1981年。

And I think what's so interesting too about Beyonce and quite a few other pop artists from that sort of generation is that they were all born in the same year that MTV first aired in 1981.

所以你有布兰妮·斯皮尔斯、贾斯汀·汀布莱克，还有许多其他流行明星，他们在90年代末到2000年代初崭露头角，和碧昂丝（作为天命真女成员）一样，都出生在木星与土星在天秤座合相的时期，并以不同方式受到这一配置的影响。

So you get Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, and a lot of these other pop stars that came of age or came to prominence in that period in the late nineties, early two thousands along with Beyonce as part of Destiny's Child who were all born with this Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Libra and varying degrees of interaction with that.

他们似乎就是这一代的典范。

And they seem to be like kind of the exemplars.

但显然，碧昂丝在他们所有人中脱颖而出。

But obviously, Beyonce has risen above all of them.

她一直在演出，几乎没有停歇过，我认为她是这一代人所能产出的最顶尖人物。

She's still performing stellactant, never really had a hiatus and she's really the top I feel like of what that generation is able to produce.

所以，她确实拥有一个非凡的行星群聚。

So yeah, she's got this incredible stellium.

这引出了两个观点。

And it brings up two points.

其中一个就是，主宰该星座的行星——比如在这个例子中，金星是这个行星群聚的主宰星——实际上就位于它自己的星座内，因此能够纯粹地表达该星座或该行星原型能量。

One of them is just is the planet that owns the sign there as in this instance where it's like Venus, which is the ruler of the stellium is actually in that sign in its own domicile and therefore able to provide kind of a pure expression of that sign or of the archetypal energy of both that sign and that planet.

但第二个问题是，其他行星的状况如何？

But then two, what's the condition of the other planets?

我们看到木星在那里，土星也在，而土星正处于其尊位星座，就连水星也在那里，虽然我并不太关注三合宫的尊贵，但水星可能拥有三合宫尊贵这一点还是挺有意思的。

And we find Jupiter there, we find Saturn there which is in the sign of its exaltation, even Mercury there which I don't focus on triplicity dignity very much, but it's kind of interesting Mercury possibly having dignity by triplicity.

所以，金星作为行星群聚的主宰星，这种情况非常重要，这一点应该明确指出。

So that situation of Venus, the ruler of the stellium, and maybe that should be stated that the ruler of the stellium is really important.

如果它位于自己的星座中，在某些情况下，这会使星群的位置更加有利，而大多数情况下，星座的守护星可能并不会出现在那里，但这会在一定程度上改变星群的特质。

And if it's there in its own sign, in some instances that's going to be a more well situated stellium versus in most cases like the ruler of the sign is probably not going to be there, but that's going to alter the quality of the stellium to some extent.

例如，如果金星位于隔壁的天蝎座，那么星群中所有天秤座的行星都将由位于天蝎座的金星主宰，这会极大地改变其解读方式。

So for example, if Venus was next door in Scorpio, then all of those Libra planets in the stellium would be ruled by Venus in Scorpio which is going to change things substantially in terms of the interpretation.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

如果真是那样，她可能早就成了摇滚乐手之类的。

She might have been like a rock musician if that had happened or something.

她可能会更偏向朋克风格，而金星在天秤座时，音乐则更偏向流行和经典风格，或者像金星在自己星座时那样，呈现出流行音乐的经典风格。

She would have been sort of more punk whereas Venus is like in Libra, so it's sort of more just pop and sort of more classic kind of sound or something like that with Venus in its own sign or classically popular styles pop music.

对。

Right.

所以这是一个因素。

So that's one factor.

另一个因素是，这只是个例子，因为现在是推测的时间，大约早上10点。

Other factor is just this is an example because this is a speculative time, it's like 10AM.

所以这会让她成为天秤座上升，且星群位于第一宫，但我们不能完全依赖这一点。

So this would give her Libra rising with that stellium in the first house, but we can't rely on it.

所以我想强调的另一点是，星群不仅会强化宫位，还会强化星座本身。

So the other thing I wanted to emphasize about this one is just the other thing stelliums do is they just place a huge emphasis not just on the house but on the sign.

因此，这个黄道星座的原型特征会在一个人的生活中更加突出。

And so there's something about the archetype of that zodiacal sign that's going to be more prominent in the person's life in general.

这也是为什么我认为有些人更容易认同自己的太阳星座之类的原因，因为有些人，他们的太阳星体恰好是星群的组成部分之一。

And this is one of the reasons why I think some people resonate more with, for example, like their Sun sign or things like that because some people, your Sun sign, there's like a not infrequent occurrence of the Sun being one of the components of the stellium.

比如你和我就是这样，我的天蝎座星群中就包含了我的太阳。

So I think like you and I have that for example where one of the planets in my Scorpio stellium is my Sun.

所以我一直某种程度上认同自己天蝎座的太阳特质。

And so I always identified to some extent with my Scorpio Sun.

当我读报纸上关于天蝎座性格的描述时，大部分内容都相当准确，尽管并不总是那么体面。

When I'd read delineations in the newspaper of what Scorpios are supposed to be like for the most part that was relatively accurate, albeit not always flattering.

所以有些人如果遇到这种情况，也就是星群里包含太阳落入的星座，那可能会让你对这个星座更有认同感，或是这些特质在你的人生中会格外突出，所以对，你会更容易对自己的太阳座产生共鸣。

So there's different people where if you have something like that, like a stellium with the Sun sign, then that might lead you to identify more with that or to those traits to stand out more with your life and therefore, yeah, to resonate more with if it was your Sun sign.

不过反过来的情况也同样存在。

Although the reverse is also true.

还有些人，他们的太阳星座和星群落入的星座并不相同。

So there's some people who they might have a Sun sign that's different than their stellium.

在这类情况里，对这个人的人生来说，星群带来的影响往往会比太阳本身成为更核心的主导主题。

And in some of those instances, the stellium actually is going to make much more sense for that person as a dominant theme in their life than the Sun necessarily was.

所以这并不意味着太阳星座完全无法代表他们，或者毫无关联，但很多时候星群会在星盘里吸引大量注意力，尤其是当组成星群的都是个人行星的时候。

So that doesn't mean that the Sun won't represent them at all or isn't relevant in any way, but sometimes the stellium can really draw a lot of attention in the chart especially when it is composed of personal planets.

完全没错。

Totally.

对。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

我们来聊聊其他一些例子。

Let's go through some other examples.

你知道其中一个你很喜欢的是凯蒂·佩里，她是我的时间双生子，对吧？

Know one of them that you liked was Katy Perry who's my time twin, right?

是的。

Yeah.

我一直开玩笑说凯蒂·佩里是克里斯·布伦南的时间双生子。

It's been my long running joke that Katy Perry is Chris Brennan's time twin.

他们出生时间很接近，而且外貌明显很相似。

They were born somewhat close to each other and obviously striking resemblance.

我知道。

I know.

我本来也可以走那条职业道路。

I could have gone that career route as well.

我当时有两个选择。

I had two choices.

二选一？

Either It

要么当占星师，要么当流行歌手，不知道为啥我选了占星师。

astrologer or pop star and for whatever reason I chose astrologer.

对。

Yeah.

那我觉得凯蒂·派瑞的星盘有意思的点在于，很明显，她的星盘里有一组太阳、冥王星、水星、土星、月亮的合相，这组群星聚集在第一宫的始点位置。

So I think what's kind of interesting about Katy Perry's chart is obviously, yeah, she has this massive Sun, Pluto, Mercury, Saturn, Moon conjunction in the first stellium in the first place.

我觉得这个例子有意思的地方在于，你能清晰地看到每颗行星是如何融入或引入它所主管的宫位的主题的。

I think what's interesting about this example is that you can really see how each of the planets are incorporating or importing the topics of the house that they rule.

举个最基础的例子，她的水星落在天蝎座第一宫。

So on a very basic level, she has the Moon in Scorpio in the first house.

而巨蟹座由月亮主管，巨蟹座落在第九宫。

So Cancer is ruled by the Moon, Cancer in the ninth.

所以月亮在这里就把第九宫的相关主题引入进来，让它成为焦点，也更具个人色彩；宗教事务就是第九宫的关联主题之一，你懂的。

So the Moon is importing and making more focal and making more personal the topic of the ninth house of religious matters, you know, is one of the ninth house topics.

她由非常严格的宗教家庭抚养长大，由于父母建立新的教堂，她的居住地经常变动，而且她被送入宗教学校和宗教营。

And so she was raised by very strict religious parents and her residence changed a lot because her parents set up new churches and she was put in religious schools and religious camps.

甚至在她最初以音乐人身份出道时，她原本是一位福音或宗教艺术家，后来才转型为流行歌手。

And even when she first debuted as a musician, she was originally like a gospel or religious artist before transitioning to pop.

因此我们可以看到，月亮在天蝎座上升总是会将第九宫的主题——宗教——带到他们生活的前沿。

So we can see how having the Moon in Scorpio rising is always gonna import some of those ninth house themes of religion to the forefront of their life.

而在她的具体情况中，月亮与土星紧密相合，而土星掌管第四宫。

And in her particular case, she has the Moon closely conjunct Saturn, and Saturn rules the fourth house.

因此我们知道，这不仅将她的生活与宗教主题联系起来，

So that's how we know it sort of connects her life not just to the topic of religion.

更是通过父母强加给她的严格规矩体现出来的。

It was more through the strict rules placed upon her by her parents.

他们甚至不让她吃麦片。

They didn't even allow her to eat cereal.

他们不喜欢她吃幸运麦圈，因为那让他们联想到路西法。

They didn't like her eating Lucky Charms because they reminded them too much of Lucifer.

他们认为那是一部撒旦剧集。

They thought it was a satanic serial.

所以我认为她可能很容易理解那些有过严格父母的人。

So I think she could probably relate to someone who has said they've had strict parents.

她的月亮和土星位于天蝎座的第一宫。

She has Moon Saturn in the first house in Scorpio.

天蝎座本身也不是月亮的理想星座。

Scorpio is also not a fantastic sign for the Moon either.

所以我觉得很有趣，月亮掌管第九宫，却在第一宫显现，使它在整个生命中更加突出，土星也是如此。

So I think it's interesting how you can see how the Moon's rulership of the ninth makes its presence in the first house sort of more angular focal in whole life and same thing with Saturn.

然后你还可以进一步探讨太阳掌管第十宫这一点。

And then you could also go into the fact that Sun rules the tenth house.

她显然是娱乐界一位非常著名的人物。

Obviously, is a very prominent person in the entertainment world.

她的太阳甚至因为与天蝎座中的冥王星紧密合相而得到强化。

Her Sun is even empowered by that close conjunction to Pluto in Scorpio.

所以她显然拥有非常活泼的公众形象，太阳和月亮都在第一宫，展现出流行明星的魅力。

So she has this obviously very kind of bubbly public persona, this sort of pop star charisma with the Sun and Moon in the first place.

我还想说关于她的一件事，但我想不起来了。

And there was one other thing I was going to say about her but I can't remember what it was.

哦，其中一个有趣的地方是，你可以将星群应用到年度运程中。

Oh, one of the kind of interesting thing is you can apply stelliums to the profections.

我知道我们没有太多这方面的例子，但可以简单提一下凯蒂·佩里24岁那年，正值第一宫年度运程，所有位于第一宫的行星都被激活了。

And I know we don't have a whole lot of examples of that but just a quick one for Katy Perry when she was 24 years old in a first house annual profection when all of those planets in the first house were activated.

那一年，她举办了首次个人世界巡演。

That was the year that she did her first headlining world tour.

所以她四处旅行，也就是第九宫的直升机效应，这实际上是她表演的首次全球性展示。

So she was traveling, you know, the choppers of ninth house and it was really a showcase, the first sort of global showcase of her act.

她是在第十二宫运程期间崭露头角的，但第一宫的年份才是真正开始全球巡演的时刻。

She had come to prominence during the twelfth house of profection, but the first house year was really when she was actually performing all around the world for the first time.

所以我觉得这是一个相当有趣的例子。

So I thought it was kind of an interesting example.

关于凯蒂·佩里，还有另一件很酷的事是，太阳的主运周期是十九年。

And one other thing about Katy Perry that is cool too is the minor period of the Sun is nineteen years.

所以在你18岁那年，也就是第十九年，太阳的周期就完成了。

So in the nineteenth year when you're age 18, that's when the Sun comes to completion.

她正是在18岁那年选择了新名字，因为她的原名我觉得是凯瑟琳·哈德森之类的，但她改名为凯蒂·佩里。

And it was when she turned 18 that she chose her new name because her original name I think is something like Catherine Hudson, but she renamed herself Katy Perry.

当她步入法定成年，同时太阳也达到其周期终点时，她采用了这个新名字。

She took on this new moniker as she reached illegal adulthood and as the Sun was reaching its period of completion.

不错。

Nice.

好的。

Okay.

是的，这是个很好的例子。

Yeah, that's a great example.

所以这又是一个人的典型例子，她特别强调某个星座——在她的案例中是天蝎座。

So that's an example of somebody again with a heavy focus on a specific sign in her instance Scorpio.

让我看看我们有没有。

And let me see if we have any.

我的意思是，其他的其中一个，不，这个其实不太好。

I mean, one of the others No, this isn't really good one.

只有三颗行星，但也包括上升点。

There's only three planets but also includes the Ascendant.

但就像乔治·卢卡斯一样，例如，他的水星、金星和太阳都落在上升星座的第一整宫，尽管他因《星球大战》和《夺宝奇兵》而闻名，但他对电影和电影作为艺术有着更艺术化的处理方式。

But just like George Lucas, for example, has Mercury, Venus, Sun in the rising sign in the first whole sign house and just his Even though he became known for Star Wars and Indiana Jones had more of an artistic approach to film and film as an art.

每当想到他的星盘时，我总会想到他持续存在的创意控制问题——谁掌控他的艺术？他是否能掌控？他能否根据自己的意愿回头修改并定期更新？因为他从不满足，作品永远没有完成。

I always think about that when it comes to his chart and his even continuing issues with creative control about who controls his art and does he control it and can he go back and change it as he sees and update it periodically because he's never happy with it, it's never finished?

还是说，一旦作品公之于众，它就属于观众和公众了？

Or does it belong to the audience and to the public once it's been put out there?

比如，人们是否应该有权看到《星球大战》最初的院线版，而他却一直拒绝发布？

And should people, for example, be able to have the original Star Wars cut from the theatrical release which he's kind of refused to put out there.

无论如何，有很多例子都强调了这个宫位，尤其是当它落在第一宫时，这个人对这组星群有更直接的掌控或感知，而不是通过生命中的其他部分，或通过他人来体现——如果它落在其他十一宫中的任何一个的话。

Anyway, there's lots of ones where it's just emphasizing that house and especially when it's in the first house, the person having more direct control or apprehension of that stellium as opposed to it manifesting through some other part of their life or through somebody else if it's in one of the other 12 houses.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

你甚至还可以将一些金牛座的特质与乔治·卢卡斯联系起来。

And you can even draw a few Taurus associations to George Lucas as well.

他尤其喜欢在原始拍摄中使用实体木偶和实体特效，设计出这些造型奇特的外星生物，展现出强烈的整体世界构建意识，这正是艺术家原型的体现。

He loved working with, at least in the original scene, these physical puppets and physical effects and practical effects to achieve And his so he designed all these crazy looking aliens for these original movies and just had a really strong sense of creating a whole world which we'd associate with the archetype of the artist.

那个，是

There That's

还有很多其他非常典型的金星例子。

a are bunch of other really good examples of Venus.

还有工业光魔公司的创立，因为当时在制作《星球大战》时，没有任何公司能胜任那些道具或后期特效，甚至包括后来的计算机技术工作。

And also the creation of industrial light magic because there was a lot of stuff they were doing with Star Wars that there was no company set up to do those kind of graphic or design things in terms of props or even eventually computer technology.

尤其是90年代开始推出的前传三部曲，为了设计新世界和新美学并让它们看起来真实，极大地推动了技术进步，在前三部中就已经如此。

Then especially with the prequel Twillet trilogy that started coming out in the 1990s really pushing forward with technological advancements in order to design new worlds and new aesthetics and make them look real in the first three

是的，当海王星与他的金星形成刑相时，他正在做这些事情。

Yeah, when Neptune was square his Venus that he was doing all that stuff.

哦，来自水瓶座。

Oh, from Aquarius.

是的，那就是

Yeah, that's

所以他更多地转向了数字和合成方式来表达他的创意。

why he got more into digital and synthetic representations of his creative ideas.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

好吧，我们赶紧再讲几个宫位的例子，我想赶紧把这些都讲完。

All right, let's bang out some other house examples I just want to get through so we get them in.

所以我会按顺序讲下去，但内容会跳来跳去。

So I'm just going to go through an order and it's just going to jump around.

但这里有理查德·塔纳斯，他上升星座是双子座，水星、金星、木星以及中天度数都落在水瓶座，位于第九整宫。

But here's Richard Tarnas who has Gemini rising and he has Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and the degree of the Midheaven in Aquarius in the ninth whole sign house.

他是一位接受过大学教育的大学教授，一直想写一本关于占星术的巨著，涵盖占星术与历史的所有关联，从历史角度证明占星术是一种合法的现象。

And he famously is like a university trained and university professor who he wanted to write this sweeping book on astrology that would cover all of the historical correlations with astrology and show that it's legitimate phenomenon from a historical standpoint.

但为了做到这一点，他认为自己必须先写一本简要的入门书，作为对西方思想的概述，以便确立西方知识史的框架。

But in order to do that, he felt like he had to write this little blow off book that was supposed to be an overview of Western thought so you could establish the parameters of what Western intellectual history was.

于是他写了这本书作为前奏，名为《西方精神的激情》，结果大获成功，被许多大学列为核心教材。

And so he wrote that book as a precursor and it's called The Passion of the Western Mind, but then ended up being wildly successful and assigned in many university courses as core reading material.

但很少有人知道，十年或十五年后，他撰写了这部关于占星术的鸿篇巨制——《宇宙与心灵》。

But little did many people know that then ten or fifteen years later, he wrote this big magistral work on astrology which was Cosmos and Psyche.

因此，他是我最喜爱的第九宫星群案例之一。

So he's one of my favorite ninth house stellium examples.

让我看看下一个。

Let me see my next one.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

克里斯托弗·雷夫是第三宫星群的一个例子，第三宫代表短途旅行。

Christopher Revve is a third house stellium example, the house of short distance travel.

他以狮子座上升，太阳、水星、土星、海王星和金星都位于第三宫整宫。

And he had Leo rising with the Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Neptune and Venus in the third whole sign house.

他年轻时非常热爱运动，喜欢参与许多体育活动，比如赛艇、赛马以及其他各种项目。

And he was earlier in his life very sporty and he liked to engage in many athletic stuff like boat racing and horse racing and all sorts of other stuff.

他因在20世纪70年代的《超人》电影中饰演超人而广为人知。

He famously played Superman in the 1970s and the Superman movies.

但由于在夜盘中土星位于此宫位，他在某天骑马跳跃时不幸遭遇事故，被甩下马背，脊椎受损，从此成为截瘫患者。

But then also because Saturn is there in a night chart, he was involved tragically in an accident with a horse when he was out riding his horse one day and jumping over something where he was thrown from the horse and then it severed his spine and then he became a paraplegic.

因此，他原本代表移动能力的第三宫受到了严重限制和束缚。

So his mobility, which is the third house thing was severely limited and restricted.

但正因如此，他后来致力于推动干细胞疗法等相关研究，以帮助与他处境相似的人，同时

But then as a result of that, he ended up becoming somebody who promoted research into stem cell therapy and things like that in order to help people in similar conditions like his and also

土星只是将其第六宫的主题带入了进来。

Saturn just importing its topics of the sixth.

性伤、疾病。

Sex injury, illness.

是的。

Yeah.

而且，他妻子的参与和帮助对于他继续前行以及共同创立基金会起到了至关重要的作用。

And then also his wife involvement and her help, was super important and instrumental in terms of keeping going but also then founding the foundation that they put together.

所以，这又是一个有趣的例子，最积极和最消极的行星都位于同一宫位，同时上升宫主星也落入该宫，最终吸引了极大的关注和聚焦。

So that's an interesting example again with the most positive but also the most negative planets in the same house as well as the ruler of the Ascendant in that house just drawing a huge amount of attention and focus eventually.

我们再看其他例子。

Let's see other examples.

哦，对的，梅根·马克尔有一个第四宫天秤座的群星汇聚。

Oh, yeah, Meghan Markle has a fourth house Libra stellium.

她出生时上升为巨蟹座，月亮、土星、木星、天底和冥王星都位于第四宫。

She was born with Cancer rising and she has the Moon and Saturn and Jupiter and the IC and Pluto in the fourth house.

这是夜盘，因此土星再次出现在那里，显得有些不利。

This is a night chart so it's a little tricky that Saturn again is kind of problematic there.

我知道她和父亲之间有些问题，我记得当她最终嫁给哈里王子时，她父亲没有被邀请，或者被排除在婚礼之外，对吧？

I know there were some problems with her father and I think when finally got married, when she married Prince Harry, her father wasn't invited or was kept out of the wedding or something, right?

老实说，我并没有跟进这些所有的八卦。

Honestly, I haven't been heaving up with all of that drama.

但有趣的是，我想到有些案例中，人们命盘第四宫有困难的行星，这不仅意味着他们自己父母的艰难处境，也包括配偶父母的问题，也就是双方父母之间的问题。

But it's funny though because it occurs to me like I've seen cases where people have difficult planets in their fourth house, and it's not just difficult situations with their own parents, but also the parents of their spouse like problems with parents as in one's parents.

我认为没有人比梅根·马克尔经历更糟糕的婆媳关系了。

And I don't think anyone has had a worse experience with their in laws than Meghan Markle.

我的天，她真可怜。

I mean, poor thing.

自从她嫁入英国王室，嫁给戴安娜王妃的儿子哈里王子后，她的生活就一直不顺。

Things have not been going well since she married into the British royal family marrying Prince Harry who was one of Princess Diana's sons.

那里发生了各种奇怪和争议的事情。

And there's been all sorts of weirdness and controversy there.

我觉得有趣的是，土星正处于其尊位。

I think it's interesting because it's like Saturn's in its exaltation.

是的。

Yeah.

这个命盘让我开始思考尊位的真正含义，有时它字面上代表着某种被提升或抬升的事物，比如她所嫁入的王室。

And this chart has really made me think of what exaltation is and sometimes literally representing things that are raised up or elevated in some way like the royal family that she literally is.

所以，她的第七宫主星是土星，位于天秤座且处于落陷位置，与木星紧密相合，

So the fact that the ruler of her seventh then is that Saturn in Libra in its exaltation in close proximity with Jupiter,

就像

like

嫁入王室，但同时也

marrying the royal family but also

这意味着事情可能并不顺利，王室对她的接纳度也不高，或者我们不必深入所有细节，因为我们甚至不了解全部情况。

then it's possible It didn't go super well and the royal family wasn't super receptive to her or somehow we don't have to get into all the details because we don't even know all the details.

但我们确实知道，哈里和梅根·马克尔在过去几年里，实际上，我认为当土星经过她的第七宫进入摩羯座时，

But we do know that Harry and Meghan Markle in the past few years, Actually, I think in the past years when Saturn was transiting through her seventh house through Capricorn

他们最终离开了。

They finally got out.

他们退出并离开了英国，现在住在哪里？

They bailed and left The UK and moved to Where are they living?

加拿大之类的？

Canada or something?

我觉得是的。

I think so.

是的，他们逃出来了，我觉得他们做得对。

Yeah, they escaped and I'd say good for them.

哈里他们后来做了一次奥普拉访谈，哈里提到，看着妻子所经历的一切，他觉得自己如果不把她从这种环境中带出来，就会失去她。

And Harry They did like an Oprah interview at some point and Harry said something about just seeing what was happening to his wife and feeling like he was gonna lose her if he didn't take her out of this situation.

所以他们就这么做了。

So that's what they did.

所以我觉得这非常有趣，从第四宫象征家庭和有时是父母的角度来看，虽然那里存在一些挑战，但也有很多活动，还有一群行星聚集在那里。

So I just think that's really interesting in terms of very simple symbolism of fourth house as family and sometimes parents, but then having some challenges there, but also a lot of activity there, having a stellium there.

某种程度上，如果你在某个时刻发现家庭对你来说会变得极其重要，一定会遇到重大挑战，但同时它也会成为你生活焦点和注意力的主要来源，因为上升宫的守护星是月亮，而月亮也落在那里。

Somehow, again, if you were just like at some point the concept of family is going to be incredibly important to you, there will be some major challenges, but it will also draw a major part of your life focus and attention since the ruler of the Ascendant is the Moon and is also placed there.

是的，在她的案例中，这一点变得异常明显，甚至可以说是超乎寻常地真实。

Yeah, that became strikingly true or abnormally true we might say in her case.

这几乎可以作为一个很好的群星关键词——异常真实，会强烈吸引

That's kind of almost a good stellium keyword like abnormally true that that will draw

尤其是这样。

Especially so.

是的，尤其是这样。

Yeah, especially so.

对。

Right.

好的。

All right.

这就是梅根·马克尔。

So that's Meghan Markle.

这很好。

That's a good one.

让我看看。

Let me see.

是的。

Yeah.

比较棘手的是像麦克·米勒这样的人。

Kind of tricky one is like Mac Miller.

你和我都遇到过这个人。

Both you and I came across this one.

他出生时上升星座是水瓶座，十二宫有多个行星聚集在摩羯座。

He was born with Aquarius rising and a stellium in Capricorn in the twelfth house.

包括火星、北交点、水星、天王星、海王星和太阳。

It's like Mars, North Node, Mercury, Uranus, Neptune, and the Sun.

那个天王星和海王星的合相更具世代性，因此更受关注，但即使没有这个，火星、北交点、水星和太阳也早已在那里。

That Uranus, Neptune conjunction which is more generational is drawing a lot more attention, but there would already be Mars, North Node, Mercury, and the Sun there even without that.

对。

Right.

那他的故事是什么？

So what was his story?

嗯，

Well,

我的意思是，我不希望把他的故事简化为他最糟糕的时刻，你知道的。

I mean, I don't wanna sound reductive, you know, of his story, you know, down to his sort of, you know, his worst moments.

当然，他是一位深受喜爱且非常成功的说唱歌手，但第十二宫往往与精神上的痛苦有关。

You know, obviously, was a very beloved and successful rapper, And but he the twelfth house has to do with sometimes spiritual suffering.

我们甚至可以用现代术语来理解为心理健康问题或挑战。

We might even interpret that in modern terms as mental health issues, challenges.

因此，他经常谈论自己与抑郁和药物滥用的斗争。

And so, he spoke a lot about his issues with depression and his struggles with substance abuse.

关于第十二宫与敌人之间的关系，还有一个挺有趣的故事，但不幸的是，他最终屈服于名望带来的心理压力以及对自己的负面感受，死于自杀。

And Well, there's another kind of funny story with the twelfth as far as enemies, but unfortunately, he is someone who eventually succumbed to the mental pressures of fame and his own feelings about himself and he passed away due to suicide.

我以为只是意外药物过量造成的。

Was it Well, I thought it was just an accidental drug overdose.

哦，是吗？

Oh, it was?

哦，抱歉。

Oh, pardon me.

我想我并没有深入阅读到那个程度。

I guess I didn't read as deeply as that.

我只是根据新闻标题来了解的。

I'm working off what I saw in the headlines.

但关于麦克·米勒，还有一个与第十二宫相关的有趣故事，我觉得挺有意思，那就是第十二宫也涉及对手、敌人或宿敌。

But one other sort of interesting twelfth house story with Mac Miller that I think is interesting is that the twelfth house also has to do with rivals or enemies or nemeses.

所以，关于麦克·米勒的一件有趣的事是，他在2010年或2011年创作了一首名为《唐纳德·特朗普》的歌。

And so one kind of interesting thing about Mac Miller is that he had made a song back in 2010 or 2011 called Donald Trump.

这首歌有点像是在颂扬成功商人那种奢华与放纵的生活方式。

And it was kind of like glorifying the sort of life of luxury or excess of a successful businessman.

起初，特朗普对这首歌是默许的，但后来他们

And at first, Trump was okay with this song, but eventually they'd

发生了

gone

一场关于他是否能使用这首歌或从中获利的法律纠纷。

to some sort of legal standoff about his inability to use a song or being able to profit from it.

所以最终，他们几乎成了敌人，唐纳德·特朗普和这位说唱歌手之间爆发了一场公开的激烈争端。

So eventually, they kind of became like enemies and there's this big public feud, a dispute between Donald Trump and this 20 rapper.

当然，麦克·米勒还公开地、幽默地嘲讽了唐纳德·特朗普。

And then of course, Mac Miller made very sort of public and funny rebukes Donald Trump.

这都是在他当上总统之前发生的事。

This is all before he even became president or anything.

因此，考虑到第十二宫的主宰星位于第一宫，且这个星群的焦点正发生在第十二宫，他竟因一首歌卷入如此公开而激烈的争端，这一点非常耐人寻味。

So just the fact that he was involved in such a kind of public and bitter dispute over a song that he had become kind of associated with is interesting when you consider that the ruler of the twelfth was in the first and that the focus of this stellium was happening in the twelfth house.

这不仅关乎他自己的敌人、内心的恶魔，也涉及像唐纳德·特朗普这样的外部宿敌。

So it had to do with not just his own enemies, his own personal demons as it were, but also externally nemesis like Donald Trump.

对的。

Right.

另外，关于他的第十二宫星群，最后一点相关的是，麦克·米勒于2018年9月去世。

And the other thing relevant about his twelfth house stellium in just the end was that Macmillar died in September 2018.

而那时正值土星运行的头一年。

And this was during that first year of Saturn.