金牛座在占星学中的含义与特质

我就是这样做的，因为我会想：哦，我从来没来过这家餐厅。

That's how I do it because it's like, Oh, I've never been to this restaurant before.

尽管菜单上的所有东西都诱人，但其实就是，我已经知道我喜欢什么了。

And even though all the stuff on the menu looks enticing, it's just like, I already know what I like.

我只是想看看你是怎么做的，看看我是否会喜欢。

I just want to see how you do it to see if I'll like it.

我喜欢这样。

I like that.

对。

Yeah.

所以就像那种反复做自己喜欢的事情的特质，而这些喜好是非常明确和固定的。

So it's like that quality of that general idea of repeating the things that they like and the likes being very well established and well defined.

就像你所说的，这可以体现在食物上，也可以体现在音乐上。

Like you were saying, it can be food, but it can also be music.

它可能在一个人生活的许多不同领域中显现出来。

It can show up in a number of different areas in a person's life.

我妹妹的生日是昨天，她是金牛座太阳水星。

My sister's birthday was yesterday and she was a Taurus Sun in Mercury.

我记得我们小时候，她总是一遍又一遍地看某些电影，都是她最爱的迪士尼电影，比如《小美人鱼》，反复播放。

And I just remember when we were growing up, she had certain movies that she would just watch over and over again that were her favorite movies of Disney movies like Little Mermaid or something like that just on repeat.

你可能会觉得，到了某个时候，你就不会再想一遍又一遍地做同样的事了。

You'd think that at a certain point, you would just stop wanting to do the same thing over again.

但其实并没有这样的限制，因为一旦某件事被确定为你喜欢的、令人愉快的，你就能通过无限重复地沉浸其中找到满足。

But no, I mean, there's not necessarily a limit because that which has been established as something that you like or that's enjoyable being able to find contentment by sitting with that endlessly or on repeat.

这种愉悦本身并没有明确的终点。

There's not necessarily an end to that enjoyment per se.

是的，说起来挺有意思，我妹妹也是金牛座，但她属于第一度金牛座，水星也在金牛座，不过她的金星在双子座。

Yeah, no, it's funny because my sister is also a Taurus but she's like a first decan Taurus and she's a Taurus Mercury as well, but she has a Gemini Venus.

讽刺的是，我觉得这可能是因为她的星盘整体偏于固定宫位。

Ironically, I feel like it's also because she's a very cardinal chart.

她比我更需要变化，因为我属于变动宫位。

She has more of a need for variety than I do because I'm more of a mutable chart.

但有趣的是，我们俩依然会循环播放同样的爱好。

But it's interesting how still both of us have the same hobbies on rotation that we both cycle back to.

观察她作为金牛座第一分度和我作为金牛座最后一分度之间的差异，也很有意思。

And it's interesting watching how her as a first deck in Taurus is versus me as a last deck in Taurus is.

我觉得对我来说，我并不想说保守，但因为受到轻微的土星影响，我更倾向于反复沉浸于同样的事物，因为我知道它们永远不会让我失望。

I feel like for me, I'm a lot more I don't want say conservative, but there's definitely just because of the subtle Saturnian influence, there's more of this need to indulge in the same things because I know that they will just never disappoint.

而对她来说，我觉得由于水星的影响更强，她会想：‘要是我喜欢别的东西呢？’这似乎正适合她。

Whereas for her, I feel like because there's more of that Mercurial influence, there's like, But what if I like something else that's just kind of working for her?

因为水星同时掌管两个 Mutable 星座：双子座和处女座，它确实具有类似蜜蜂的特质，会不断穿梭于各种事物之间，在多样性中找到乐趣，这种能力本身就是一种力量，通过尝试新事物来吸引资源。

Because Mercury rules both two mutable signs, Gemini and Virgo, and it does have that quality almost like a bee or something of going around to many different things and finding enjoyment in variety to some extent and that being a source of strength or drawing things by trying out new things.

但相比之下，金牛座在这方面恰恰相反。

But yeah, Taurus is a little bit the opposite when it comes to that.

我们一直在比较金牛座和天秤座的差异，因为天秤座是 cardinal 且属风象。

We've been comparing the difference between Taurus and Libra because of the cardinal and the air of Libra.

我的很多女性朋友都是天秤座，无论是天秤太阳还是天秤上升。

A lot of my girlfriends are Libra placements, whether it's Libra Suns or Libra Risings.

看到她们如此倾向于多样性，真是有趣。

And it's just funny to see how much they gravitate more toward variety.

是的，在食物和时尚上都是如此。

Yes, in food, in fashion.

甚至在成长过程中，我的天秤座朋友们都会对每个人产生好感。

Even when it comes to growing up, it's my Libra friends who would have a crush on everyone.

而且是各种不同类型的人，对吧？

And it's like all different types of people, right?

而我有着强烈的金牛座特质，只会觉得：不，我可能最终会喜欢同一个人长达十年以上。

Whereas me with these really strong Taurus placements are like, No, I'm probably going to end up liking the same person for like ten plus years.

会是同一类型的人。

Going be the same type of person.

同一类型人的不同变体。

Different variations of the same person.

是的，这是我最近才不得不接受的一点，因为我觉得：没错，我的白羊座金星喜欢多样性，但不行，我显然有自己偏爱的类型。

Yeah, that's something I've had to come to terms with recently because I'm like, Yeah, my Aries Venus likes variety, but nope, I have a type apparently.

而且我觉得，成长过程中，这种稳定性一直都很强烈，我之前根本没意识到。

And it's just like, I feel like again, growing up, it's just been like, Wow, the fixity is so strong and I just didn't realize it.

它就一直明明白白地摆在我面前。

It's just been staring me in the face.

也就是说，这其实是一个很有趣的潜在概念，因为我们都知道‘有类型’这个想法，比如一个人在感情中特别明确自己喜欢什么样的人，但这种模式其实可以应用到人生的其他领域。

I mean, that's an interesting underlying concept then because we all know that idea of having a type or when somebody has a very defined type like what they like in relationships, but that that could be applied to different categories in a person's life.

这就像是在其他主观欣赏的方面也重复做同样的事——拥有自己的类型，清楚自己偏爱什么，而这种预先设定的偏好，某种程度上既是优势，也是限制。

It's kind of like doing the same thing when it comes to other things of subjective appreciation of just having a type and knowing what your type is and there being a strength to that in some ways of knowing what you like and having that predefined that can be a strength just as much as a limitation, let's say.

是的。

Yeah.

我想稍微对比一下金牛座和双子座，我记得以前和阿玛亚·罗克做占星解读时，她说过的话一直印在我脑子里：拥有金牛座星盘或经历金牛座原型，就是建立事物。

I guess I do want to contrast Taurus with Gemini a little bit because I remember having a reading with Amaya Rourke and it's just stuck in my brain where she told me that having Taurus placements or going through the Taurus archetype is establishing things.

而双子座则代表演变，因为就像说：好了，东西已经建立了。

And then you can think of Gemini as evolution because it's like, Okay, we have the thing already.

如果稍微改变一下这个条件，或者那个条件，会发生什么呢？

What happens if you change this condition a bit or change that condition a bit?

我觉得，不幸的是，我们必须经历选择压力，然后通过双子座，我们才意识到：该适应了。

And I feel like it's almost like unfortunately, we have to go through selective pressure and then it's through Gemini that we have to get the, Okay, it's time to adapt.

我们不能一直做同样的事。

We can't do the same thing.

尽管我们渴望稳定的幻觉，但我想这对所有固定星座都有启示，不只是金牛座。

As much as we would like the illusion of stability, and I think this is a lesson for all fixed signs, not just Taurus.

因为我们在金牛座身上讨论的许多特质，确实也适用于所有固定星座，因为我的生活中有太多固定星座了。

Because a lot of these traits of Taurus that we've discussed definitely apply to fixed signs because I have so many fixed signs in my life.

但我觉得，正是在金牛座到双子座的过渡中，长期重复同一件事后必须适应的需求变得更为明显。

But I feel like it's that Taurus Gemini transition where the need to adapt after doing the same thing for so long becomes more apparent.

是的，这很有道理。

Yeah, that makes sense.

所以双子座在金牛座之后的修正作用，就是在告诉你：多样性有时是好事，不必非得深入钻研一件事、死守一个东西。

So the corrective quality of Gemini that follows after Taurus is just teaching you about variety sometimes being a good thing or it's okay not to go super in-depth and stay with one thing.

不必一直死守一件事，这并不意味着你要变得肤浅，但至少可以更开放地对待社交、尝试新事物、学习新东西——你不必一辈子只执着于同一件事。

Okay to do not as shallow is not the right word, but somewhat more shallow or whatever the other keyword is for that take to social things or to trying new things or to learning new things or what have you that you don't have to stick with just one thing permanently for the entirety of your life.

是的。

Yeah.

这很有道理。

That makes sense.

好吧，让我把话题拉回来，因为我不确定是不是讲完了上一组的所有含义。

All right, let me bring this back up because I don't know if I got through all of the significations in that last cluster.

我讲到哪儿了？

Where did I stop?

大概在这里，简单的快乐，追求享乐。

Somewhere around here, simple pleasures, pleasure seeking.

是的，过去几个月我重新体会到了这一点，就像一个天秤座的人让我重新意识到感官享受的简单快乐，以及这种欣赏能力——其他星座有时会缺乏——这非常重要，也是天秤座在充分体验和享受与感官相关事物时的一个显著特点，这有时是生活的重要组成部分。

Yeah, I've been getting reacquainted with that over the past several months and it's like somebody with Taurus really reminded me of the simple pleasures of sensory things and the appreciation for that that sometimes other signs lack I think is really important and is something that stands out about Taurus in the full embodiment and enjoyment of things that have to do with the senses and that being an important part of life sometimes.

我认为这是天秤座可能最擅长的事情之一，它真的能让你学会欣赏。

It's one of the things I think Taurus does the best at maybe amongst many of the signs and really giving you an appreciation of.

是的。

Yeah.

当我查看笔记并阅读关键词时，我觉得在那个列表的其他地方有人写了‘简单’这个词。

When I was looking at the notes and reading the keywords, I think somewhere else down that list is someone wrote basic.

你在关于金牛座的梗中经常能看到这一点，就是我们非常简单。

And you do see that a lot in memes about Taurus is that we're very basic.

我认为这确实回归到了简单的乐趣。

I think it does go back to the simple pleasures.

是的，我喜欢一些简单的东西，比如穿紧身裤、喝南瓜香料拿铁之类的。

Yeah, I do like basic things like wearing leggings and drinking pumpkin spice lattes and stuff.

但我认为这又回到了金牛座真正高度具身化、专注于五感的特质上。

But I think it does come back to, again, the association of just Taurus just really, really being embodied and really honing in on those five senses.

对我来说，我每天早晨最喜欢的方式就是坐在椅子上静静待五分钟，仔细感受：我现在听到的是什么？

And so for me, I my favorite way I start every morning by just like sitting there for like five minutes in my chair and just like really just tuning into like, what am I hearing right now?

我身体现在感受到的是什么？

What am I feeling in my body?

然后就能听到鸟儿鸣叫，这类事情一旦你开始忙碌起来，就再也不会注意到了。

And then just being able to hear the birds chirp, that's just the kind of stuff that you'll never ever really notice once you really get your day started and you're just so busy with everything else.

但没错，这对我来说非常金牛座。

But yeah, that's very Taurian to me.

是的，这说得通。

Yeah, that makes sense.

因为有人在推特上给金牛座贴了个标签，说是‘小资’，我不确定这是否贴切。

Because one of the significations that somebody put on Twitter is they said bougie and I wasn't sure if that actually fit.

所以我当时在下面写了，我反而觉得金牛座更偏向‘普通’，作为一种对比。

That's why I wrote under that I tend to think of Taurus as more basic actually as a contrast.

但‘普通’到底怎么定义呢？

But what is the definition of that?

你能给我解释一下吗？‘基本’作为2010年代的俚语，到底是什么意思？

Can you define it for me like what basic means as a piece of 2010s slang?

它在过去十年里被广泛使用。

Think it's been used over the past ten years.

就是很普通。

Just generic.

就是那些不会让你脱颖而出的东西。

It's stuff that doesn't make you stand out.

就是每个人都在做的事。

It's stuff that everybody does.

我不知道，‘basic’这个概念对我来说有点好笑，因为抱歉，这背后有很多内涵，因为我还在想一些奇怪的反星座的事情，因为金牛座在技术上和狮子座是反星座。

I don't know, the concept of basic is kind of funny to me just because Sorry, there's a lot to unpack because I'm also thinking about weird Antitia things because Taurus is technically in Antitia with Leo.

所以意思是，由于它们与至日的光照量相同，它们在阴影上有点相似。

So the idea is that because they share the same amount of light compared to the solstice, they're like each other in shadow a little bit.

这很有趣，因为我觉得那种浮夸做作的气质，狮子座和金牛座其实都有。

And it's funny because I feel like some of the bougie pretentiousness is something that both Leo and Taurus share.

但我认为这更多是关于你有自己的标准或品质，你知道自己喜欢，而且不会为此妥协。

But I think it's more about having a personal standard or a personal quality that you know you like and you're not going to compromise on that.

但我觉得称金牛座为‘basic’其实有点讽刺，因为它反映了反星座的关系，所以水瓶座和金牛座在某种意义上是彼此对立的，对我来说，水瓶座并不一定想和别人做同样的事。

But I feel like the calling Taurus basic is kind of reflective ironically of the conjurantitia, so we're each other in opposite in a weird way between Aquarius and Taurus, which to me is like Aquarius doesn't necessarily want to do the same things as other people.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

而金牛座，我不觉得金牛座在乎自己是不是在做和别人一样的事情。

Whereas Taurus, I don't think Taurus cares if they're doing the same things as other people or not.

因为其他人喜欢这些东西，是因为这些已经被证实是令人愉快或享受的。

Because other people like those things because it's been established as that's something that's enjoyable or pleasurable.

所以当然，很多人喜欢，那为什么不呢？

So of course, lots of people like it and therefore why not?

而且我觉得，这正是金牛座的合理化说法。

Also like that thing I think is Taurus' rationalisation.

我为了客观科学的目的查了下都市词典，但它说‘基本’只对主流、流行和趋势性的东西感兴趣。

I looked up an urban dictionary just to get a definition just for objective scientific purposes here, but it says basic only interested in things mainstream popular and trending.

它举了个例子说：天哪，贝伊太普通了。

And it says as an example, says, Oh my God, Bay is so basic.

她只想喝南瓜香料拿铁，玩《糖果粉碎传奇》。

All she wants to do is drink pumpkin spice lattes and play Candy Crush.

这现在想想还真离谱。

That's wild now actually.

意思是，它们很愉快。

Mean, they're enjoyable.

为什么因为喜欢某些东西就去批评别人呢？

Why get bad at people for liking things?

在过去几个月里，我对美与简约、那种真正重要的优雅与简单有了更深的欣赏，尽管有人可能会觉得这不够独特，或者不够引领潮流。

Over the past several months, I've gotten a better appreciation of that of beauty and simplicity and an elegance and simplicity that's so actually important and that somebody might derive it as being not unique or not trend setting or something like that enough.

但学会享受这些事物本身其实是一件非常有趣、且在某种程度上独一无二的事，值得从多个层面去欣赏。

But learning to enjoy those things is actually a really interesting and in and of itself sort of unique thing that's worth appreciating on many levels.

太好了，Mo，你提到了‘intitia’。

I'm so glad Mo that you mentioned the intitia.

对于那些不太了解intitia或contra intitia的听众，首先，你们应该去了解。

Just for those who are listening who don't know very much about intitia or contra intitia, well, one, you should.

让我们一起来了解它吧。

Let's go learn about it.

其次，所有固定星座之间都只存在intitia和contra intitia的关系，我觉得这非常显著。

But two, all of the fixed signs only have intitia and contra intitia with each other, which I think is very loud.

但对我来说，我的星盘很难解读，因为我有很强的狮子座配置，也有很强的金牛座配置。

But for me with my chart, it's hard to unpack because I do have very strong Leo placements and I have strong very Taurus placements.

所以它们是相互对立的。

And so they're intitia to each other.

但在‘精致’的含义上，我认为这确实与这种对立关系有关。

But on the bougie signification, it is something I do think it does have to do with some of that intitia relationship.

我经常被人这样投射。

I get that projected on me a lot.

我最近发了一张照片，我穿着一条15美元的牛仔裤和一件免费拿到的短上衣。

I posted a photo recently of I was wearing like $15 pair of jeans and a crop top that I got for free.

有人评论说，天啊，你看起来好精致。

And I got comments on it being like, Oh my God, you look so fancy.

我当时想：什么？

I was like, What?

我已经被叫过很多次‘精致’了。

And I've been called bougie many times.

就好像，天哪，我是个二手店购物者，我根本不会把自己和讲究排场联系在一起。

It's like, Oh my God, I'm like a thrift store shopper and I don't associate myself as bougie at all.

是的。

Yeah.

‘讲究排场’这件事挺有趣的，因为我觉得我们可以深入探讨一些相反的星盘例子。

The bougie thing is funny because I think we can dive into some chart examples that are contrary.

没错，这很有趣，因为我跟一个天蝎座星群的人住在一起，他总是指责我物质主义之类的。

Yeah, no, it's interesting because I live with a Scorpio stellium who's always accusing me of being very materialistic and what have you.

我只是喜欢好东西而已。

It's just like, I like nice things.

不好意思。

Sorry.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得关键在于，一旦这种印象被确立了，我最近其实重新看了一点我以前的讨论，那时候我们和奥斯汀与凯莉几年前做过一个关于十二星座的浓缩版对话。

And I think what it is is just that once it's been established I was actually rewatching a little bit of my previous discussion where we did a condensed version of this on the signs of the zodiac in two episodes with Austin and Kelly years ago.

奥斯汀当时在试图描述这一点，他说这和我的理解有关，即金牛座可能会喜欢一些非常简单、基础的东西，只要恰好是他们真正喜爱的类型。

Austin was trying to describe this and he was saying it's just tied in with I think my interpretation is that Taurus can like something that's very simple and basic if it happens to be one of those things that they really like.

这让我想到，你们有没有看过那些关于有些人只吃一种食物的纪录片或YouTube视频？

It actually makes me think of like, have you guys ever seen those documentaries or those YouTube videos about people that will only eat one thing?

有个家伙就只吃撒满奶酪的土豆，他已经这样吃了二十年，这就是他的全部饮食；还有些人也有类似的情况。

There's this one guy that will only eat potatoes covered in cheese and he's been eating that for twenty years and that's his thing, that's all he eats or people that have a thing like that.

我认为，对于金牛座而言，有时候只要是你喜欢的东西，哪怕再简单也完全可以。

I think sometimes with Taurus placements that it can be boiled down to something very simple as long as it's what they like.

它本身并不一定非得是奢华的。

It doesn't necessarily have to be extravagant in and of itself.

核心在于，那就是他们喜欢的东西，是他们感到安心、踏实和滋养的来源。

The core thing is just that that's what they like and that's what they find comfort and reassurance and nourishment in.

但我觉得奥斯汀提到的重点是，一旦接触到更高层次的东西，情况就会变得棘手，因为如果金牛座迷上了它，比如尝试了一种特别昂贵的美食，然后它就成了他们新的最爱，这就可能出问题——因为此后，他们很难再回到更现实、更朴素的水平，反而可能越来越沉迷于只做那些更奢华的事情。

But I think the point that Austin made was that once exposed to something that's higher level, that can be tricky because then sometimes if Taurus latches onto that, it's like they try some super expensive nice, let's say a food thing, and that becomes their new favorite thing, that can be a problem because then after that point, can be hard for them to then lower themselves back down to a more realistic level, but they can get more attached to doing only the more extravagant things if they establish that that's the thing that they like the most.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这也很有趣，因为俚语词 'bougie' 来自 'bourgeois' 或 '资产阶级'。

I mean, that's also funny just because the slang word bougie comes from the word bourgeois or bourgeoisie.

我在想两个人，我觉得如果你要分享他的星盘，那就是卡尔·马克思。

And I'm thinking of two people, so I think it's Karl Marx if you want to share his chart.

好的。

Okay.

天哪。

Oh my God.

当我得知卡尔·马克思是金牛座时，我对这个星座的整体看法并没有改变，但确实让我重新思考了自己青少年时期对金钱和事物的看法——那时我觉得人们不够分享资源，社会结构可能太自私了。

Once I learned that Karl Marx was a Taurus, I think my whole perspective on the sign not necessarily changed just because I was thinking about my own views about money and things as a teenager and how I was like, I feel like people don't share resources enough and maybe the governmental structures that be are too selfish.

这很有趣，因为我记得以前被人说有点马克思主义倾向，但现在看了他的星盘，一切就说得通了。

And it's funny because I remember being accused of being a little Marxist, but now that I've seen his chart, it makes sense.

对。

Right.

我刚查了一下，他实际上有一个金牛座的日食。

So I just pulled it up and he's actually a solar eclipse in Taurus.

所以他的北交点在金牛座8度，月亮在金牛座11度，太阳在金牛座13度，金星在金牛座27度。

So he has the North Node at eight Taurus, the Moon at 11 Taurus, the Sun at 13 Taurus and Venus at 27 Taurus in his birth chart.

是的。

Yeah.

我特别喜欢他的是，他的太阳蚀相位于金牛座的中段，这完美体现了他作为一位有效阐明劳动者应得报酬与权力斗争之代表的不朽遗产。

And I love that he's a solar eclipse chart in that middle decan of Taurus because it definitely captures his legacy being cemented as someone who effectively articulated the power struggle between people getting rightfully compensated for their labor.

我觉得这是许多金牛座人士内心深处的巨大挣扎。

And I feel like that's a huge internal struggle that a lot of Taurians have.

就像是：我付出的和我得到的，到底对等吗？

It's like, Okay, how much am I getting for what I'm putting in?

了解自己的价值，这对我来说，我不知道你是不是也这样，宝，但我注意到身边其他金牛座的人也常有这种困扰。

Knowing what you're worth almost is kind of I don't know about you, Pao, but this is something that I've noticed with other Taurines in my life.

但这也是我不断重新审视自己的一个问题。

But it's also something that I'm constantly revisiting for myself.

是的，我觉得回到卡尔·马克思的星盘来看，当你读《共产党宣言》时，归根结底，他描绘的是一个没有资本的世界。

Yeah, I think going back to Karl Marx's chart and when you read the communist manifesto, what it ultimately boils down to is he's envisioning a world where there's no capital anymore.

根本就不会再有金钱了。

There's just going be no more money.

尤其是当你思考金牛座的象征意义时，这真的非常有趣。

And that's really fascinating to think of, especially when you're thinking about Taurus' significations.

所以你不能简单地把它归结为‘金牛座就是物质主义’。

And that's why you can't overly simplify it as like, Oh, Taurus is our materialistic.

但金牛座确实与物质有非常密切的关联，这一点毋庸置疑。

But there is something very much about the material with Taurus, that's for sure.

你可以在马克思的所有著作中清楚地看到这一点。

And you can just see it in all of Marx's writing.

当你再看看马克思的个人生活时，你会发现他在经济上挣扎得很厉害，因为他一直在努力以哲学家的身份谋生。

And when you also look at Marx's personal life, he struggled a lot financially because he really was trying to make a living as a philosopher.

但他的妻子来自一个历史悠久的德国贵族家庭。

But his wife comes from a very old money noble German family.

她和她的家人实际上都非常支持马克思的思想。

Both her and her family are actually really quite supportive of Marx's teachings.

所以是的，他非常依赖妻子和妻子的家庭提供支持。

And so yeah, he depended a lot on his wife and his wife's family for that support.

我记得曾经听说，他出生时的那次日食恰好经过了俄罗斯、中国或亚洲的大部分地区，这后来对马克思主义哲学影响那些后来采纳共产主义的国家起到了重要作用，这算是一个挺有趣的占星冷知识。

I remember hearing at one point that that solar eclipse that he was born under happened to pass over Russia or China or a greater part of Asia, which ended up being important or notable in terms of then the influence of Marxist philosophy on some of the countries that would later adopt communism, which is kind of a cool astrological trivia thing.

这真令人印象深刻。

That's really impressive.

另一个我想起的人是切·格瓦拉，他的太阳、金星和凯龙星都位于第二宫的金牛座。

Another person I think of is Che Guevara who has the Sun, Venus and Chiron in Taurus in the second house.

我的意思是，这个出生时间的精度是B级，但属于时间浮动范围。

I mean, it's a B rated time, but it's the time float.

你有这个时间吗？还是我告诉你？

Do you have that or do you want me to give it to you?

是的，这是我用来说明上升宫主星位于第十二宫的核心例子之一，没错。

Yeah, that's one of my core examples that I use for ruler of the Ascendant in the twelfth, Yeah.

我有他的星盘，我觉得这个时间相当准确。

I I've got his chart and I think that time's pretty good.

是的，白羊座上升，太阳和金星位于金牛座第二宫。

Yeah, Aries rising and Sun in Venus in Taurus in the second.

那么，他的生平让你想到了什么？

So what about his biography does that make you think of?

首先，他以参与古巴革命以及拉美其他国家采纳更多共产主义结构的革命而闻名。

For one, he's known for his role in the Cuban revolution and just other revolutions across Latin America to adopt more of these communist like structures.

他的星盘中当然还有其他因素与此相关，但我认为他是另一个很好的例子，说明一个金牛座的人并不一定体现‘我只是想为自己拥有财富和资源’这样的原则。

There are obviously other things in his chart that speak to this, but I think he's another good example of a Taurus who didn't necessarily embody those principles of, Oh, I just want to have money and resources for myself.

当然。

Sure.

是的，这说得通。

Yeah, that makes sense.

再来看一些更偏向审美方面的例子，我们众所周知没有他的出生时间。

Other ones to get into more of an aesthetic one, we famously don't have a birth time for him.

今天有人，比如尼克·迪克·因维斯特，提醒我坎耶·韦斯特的金星在金牛座，这让我们重新回到金牛座与审美相关的部分——无论人们对坎耶·韦斯特有什么批评，大家一致认可的一点是他对审美的敏锐感知，无论是声音层面，还是识别出悦耳音效的能力，以及尽管他行为乖张，仍能将艺术和视觉元素融入音乐中。

Somebody But Nick Dick Invest was reminding me today that Kanye West has Venus in Taurus to get back to more of some of the aesthetic stuff that comes along with Taurus is that's one of the things of anything that you can't actually Any criticisms that can be leveled against Kanye West, like the thing that everyone has to give him is just his appreciation for aesthetics both in terms of sound and just being able to identify sounds that are aesthetically pleasing, but then also bringing in artistic and visual components into his music despite all his antics.

正是因为他对美学的敏感度如此出色，人们才愿意忽略其他方面，只关注他的音乐实在太棒了，这通常是人们的回应。

It's because his attenuation to aesthetics is so good that's sort of why people have been able to overlook other things and just focus on, but his music is so good basically is usually the response.

是的。

Yeah.

而且他很有眼光。

Also, he has a really good eye.

我知道很多人不愿意承认，但他对高级时尚乃至街头服饰都产生了深远影响，这真的很有趣。

And I know a lot of people don't like to admit it, but he has influenced a lot of people in high fashion but also just like streetwear which is really interesting.

所以我不知道，有趣的是，随着一些事情正在经过金牛座，我一直关注着坎耶和卡戴珊家族的八卦，这真的很引人注目。

And so I don't know, I know right now what's funny is that with some of these things moving through Taurus, I've been keeping up with Kanye and the Kardashian drama, which is really interesting.

我认为他现在据说在日本从事与时尚相关的工作。

I think right now he's supposedly in Japan working on fashion related things.

接下来整个日食周期中，当他其他金牛座行星被触发时，看他接下来会做什么会非常有趣。

It'll be really interesting to see what he does the rest of this eclipse cycle as the rest of his Taurus placements get hit.

我记得

I remember

几年前，我的意思是，是的，我认为他总体上是以高级时装闻名的。

several years back, I mean, yeah, I do think he's known overall for high fashion.

我觉得挺有意思的是，他其中一个被批评得最厉害的失误，就是在一场秀中推出了一整条全是米色的时尚系列。

I do think it's funny that one of his flubs, like in one of the shows that he got most criticism about was he came out with this whole new fashion line that where everyone was just wearing beige.

只是各种不同的米色。

It was just different variations of beige.

你还记得那一次吗？

Do you remember that one?

好吧。

Okay.

但大家都嘲笑他。

But everybody clowned him.

但你猜怎么着？

But guess what?

从2010年代以来，中性色和米色对时尚界形成的垄断简直令人难以置信。

Literally like the chokehold that neutrals and beiges have had on the fashion industry since the 2010s is insane.

这些设计看起来很荒谬，但你有这么多设计师。

The designs look ridiculous, but you have all these designers.

显然，他和巴黎世家的创意总监是朋友，还和Gap有过合作。

Obviously, he's friends with the creative director of Balenciaga, he's got his collaboration with Gap.

但有这么多品牌都在模仿他当初被大家嘲笑的设计。

But there are so many brands trying to copy the designs that he made that everybody clowned in for when they first came out.

所以这有点奇怪。

So it's kind of weird.

是的。

Yeah.

有趣的是，过去十年里，这几乎成了他的标志，他的兴趣和关注点似乎更多地转向了时尚、艺术这类东西。

Well, it's interesting that that's almost become over the past decade more of his thing and his interest and his focus seems like it's shifted more towards fashion and to art and things like that.

在某种程度上，音乐只是他实现那些他想做、想被认可和被记住的艺术项目的手段。

To a certain extent, almost the music is just his vehicle for getting to do some of those artistic projects that he wants to be able to do and wants to be recognized for and known for.

是的，没错。

Yeah, no.

而且我很喜欢这一点：如果我们思考一下为金牛座设想的一些基本原型，我会说尤其是他的水星位置，想到奥斯坦描述的那个星等像一串念珠，或者那种祈祷的含义，我就觉得他的审美风格像是某种苦行者，或者非常极简主义者，仿佛他刻意穿着像要去进行一场精神朝圣，主动摒弃所有奢华的明显象征。

And I love that if we think about some of the basic archetypes that we were thinking about for Taurus, and I would say that certain elements of his Mercury placement especially, just thinking about Austin describing that decan as a string of prayer beads or just that connotation of prayer, I just think about some of his aesthetic as being either someone who's kind of an ascetic or someone who's very minimalist or they're like, Okay, I'm literally dressing like I'm someone who's going on this spiritual pilgrimage where I deprive myself of all the obvious significations of opulence.

这已经成为他审美风格的重要组成部分。

And that's become a huge part of his aesthetic.

我认为其他人也试图通过设计的某些方面来模仿这一点。

And I think that other people have tried emulating that through certain facets of their design.

思考这一点真的很有意思。

It's really interesting to think about that.

是的，我认为这与他星盘中金星的配置有关。

Yeah, I think it has to do with how his Venus is configured in the chart.

以下是为音频听众提供的相关星盘位置。

So here's the chart for the audio listeners or the placements that are relevant.

他的火星位于金牛座1度，金星位于金牛座2度，水星位于金牛座26度。

He has Mars at one Taurus and Venus at two Taurus and Mercury at 26 Taurus.

他拥有一个三行星汇聚。

He has a three planet stellium.

这是一个未定时的星盘，因为他的出生时间仍然未知。

This is an untimed chart because his birth time is still unknown.

网上流传着一些虚假的时间，但他的真实出生时间至今尚未得到确认。

There's fake time circulating, but his actual time has never been confirmed at this point.

但你看金星的配置如何。

But look at how Venus is configured.

金星与天王星位于天蝎座八度形成对冲，这解释了他时尚中一些非传统或前卫的倾向。

It has an opposition to Uranus at eight degrees of Scorpio and that's where you get some of the unconventional or the tendency towards avant garde type stuff in some of his fashion.

但同时，正如你刚才提到的简约风格，这与土星的刑克有关。

But then also with what you're just talking about with some of the sparsity, the square with Saturn.

金星位于金牛座二度，与位于狮子座十二度的土星形成刑相位。

Venus is at two Taurus and it's squaring Saturn at 12 degrees of Leo.

它构成了一个所谓的T型格局，全部关联在一起。

It's got a sort of T square that it's all involved there.

我认为你提到的那些特质，其来源就在这里，你说的不是简单，而是你用的那个词是什么？

I think that's where some of those qualities you were talking about, It wasn't simplicity, but what was the term that you're using?

它有点像醋酸的。

It was kind of like acetic.

它有一种醋酸美学的氛围。

It's got this acetic aestheticism vibe going on.

它非常简约。

It's very minimal.

当然。

For sure.

是的。

Yeah.

这很有趣。

So that's interesting.

我记得你们中有谁想提一个模特，用作星盘例子，对吧？

There was a model I believe that one of you wanted to mention or use as a chart example, right?

是娜奥米·坎贝尔吗？

Was it Naomi Campbell?

是的。

Yeah.

我来分享一下图表。

Let me share chart.

在这里。

Here it is.

娜奥米·坎贝尔，看起来时间是四舍五入的。

Naomi Campbell, looks like the time is rounded.

好像是凌晨一点。

It's like 1AM.

我不确定这是否是经过验证的出生时间，但由于上升点位于摩羯座29度这么晚，上升星座可能会改变。

I don't know if that's a verified birth time or not, but since the Ascendant is so late at 29 Capricorn, the Ascendant could change signs.

所以需要注意一下宫位的分布，但她水星与土星合相于金牛座13至14度，而且看起来她在出生当天水星正好由逆行转为顺行。

So just to be aware of in terms of the house placements, but she has Mercury conjunct Saturn at thirteen and fourteen degrees of Taurus and Mercury is actually stationing direct it looks like on the day she was born.

哦，天哪。

Oh, wow.

我的意思是，无论她是水瓶座上升还是摩羯座上升，水星与她的命盘主星相合，这一点挺有意思的。

I mean, what's interesting is that regardless of if she's like an Aquarius rising or a Capricorn rising, Mercury conjoined like what would be her chart ruler, which is kind of interesting to me.

因为我觉得，无论水星和土星在金牛座的组合是否落在第五宫，或者第五宫的宫主星在那里，都会形成一种关联。

Because I think there would also just be this association between Mercury and her Saturn in Taurus with the fifth house regardless just because it's either in the fifth house or the fifth house ruler is there.

我只是想到她作为模特的处事方式。

And I just think of I guess her approach to being a model.

我知道她和泰拉·班克斯都曾出现在各种选秀或竞赛节目中，那些人正努力成为模特。

And I know that her, like Tyra Banks has also been on various shows or competitions where people are aspiring to be models.

还有她那种奇特的回馈方式。

And her weird way of giving back.

金牛座的中段确实有回馈他人、支持他人的含义，但她的方式却是对他们的模特表现或自我呈现方式提出严厉批评。

So that middle decan of Taurus does have connotations of giving back to people or supporting people, but she's doing it by being very critical of their approach to modeling or their approach to presenting themselves.

我该怎么表达呢？

How do I put this?

所以，那些拥有强烈水星与土星相位的人，尤其是这种合相，往往有一种非常精确、近乎临床诊断式的处理方式。

So people who have especially hard Mercury Saturn aspects but probably more obvious with the conjunction have this very precise maybe clinical diagnostic approach.

我觉得这是她指导和辅导年轻模特的一种方式，帮助他们发展出符合行业要求的素质。

And I feel like that's part of her coaching or mentoring approach for allowing these younger models to develop themselves into being appropriate for the industry.

因此，这充分体现了她回馈他人的方式。

So it very much shows with her approach to giving back.

我不知道。

I don't know.

是的。

Yeah.

水星与土星形成紧张相位的人非常擅长发现缺陷和问题。

Mercury Saturn hard aspects are very good at seeing the flaws and things.

通常，外界会认为这个人不断否定或指出他人的缺点和其他问题。

And usually people see that externally as the person constantly negating or pointing out the flaws and other things.

但通常不为人所见的是，这种倾向也会内化为他们不断看到自己身上的缺陷，这种批判性也源自内心，使他们倾向于关注负面因素。

But what's not usually visible is it's also internalized as the person's constantly seeing the flaws in their own things and it's coming from that internal place as well where they have a tendency to focus on the negatives.

但有时这种特质可以被非常建设性地运用，因为一旦你聚焦并剔除了所有负面因素，有时反而能让你在某些领域真正脱颖而出，否则你可能做不到。

But sometimes that can be applied really constructively because once you've focused in and eliminated all the negative stuff, sometimes it allows you to truly excel in some area that you might not otherwise.

我想知道，既然土星是她的上升星座守护星，有多少这种特质也被投射到她身上了？

And I wonder since Saturn is her Ascendant ruler, how much of that is also projected onto her?

因为从小我就觉得，关于娜奥米·坎贝尔的负面新闻层出不穷，而泰拉则一直被塑造成那种乖女孩的典型形象。

Because growing up, I constantly felt like there was just so much negative press against Naomi Campbell, whereas Tyra was always kind of touted as more like that good girl archetype.

然后媒体和小报总是不断把她们俩对立起来。

Then the media and the tabloids constantly would pit them against each other.

是的，这是个很好的观点。

Yeah, that's a good point.

我们其实确实有泰瑞尔的出生时间，尽管她没有任何星盘位置。

We actually do have a birth time for Tyrell, though she doesn't have any chart placements.

所以我会阻止我们继续往这个方向深入，因为那会变成另一整集的内容。

So I'm going to stop us from going off on that direction because that'd be a whole other episode.

好吧。

All right.

我正在浏览我其他例子的清单，但我不确定。

Just looking through my list of other examples, but I'm not sure.

这让我想起一个我过去用过的例子，就是乔治·卢卡斯，他有金牛座上升，太阳、金星和水星都在金牛座。

That actually brings to mind one example that I have used in the past, which is George Lucas who has Taurus rising and he has the Sun in Taurus and Venus in Taurus and Mercury in Taurus.

他的水星也像我们刚才看的前一个例子那样，刚刚距离直接运行只差一天。

And his Mercury is also like the previous example we were just looking at which is that it's just like a day away from stationing direct.

所以这是位于第一宫的金牛座星群。

So that's a Taurus stellium right in the first house.

他当然成为了一位著名的电影导演，创作了《星球大战》系列，该系列在1977年首次上映时大获成功，广受欢迎，后来又推出了《夺宝奇兵》系列，同样取得了巨大成功。

And he of course became a famous movie director and he created the Star Wars series which just exploded when it first came out in 1977 and became wildly popular and then later did Indiana Jones which was another successful series.

但乔治·卢卡斯作为导演做得特别出色的一点，只有在对电影史有更广泛了解的情况下才能看出来：他善于从早期的电影和系列中汲取大量元素，然后将它们重新包装成《星球大战》这样的新作品，大家非常喜欢，却没意识到这些内容本身并非完全原创或新颖。

But one of the things George Lucas as a director that he did really well that was only apparent if he had a much broader history in film or overview in film is that he just saw a lot of components from earlier films and earlier series that he liked and then he kind of repackaged it into a new thing with Star Wars and then everybody loved it, but not realizing that it wasn't necessarily completely new or fresh per se.

他只是把早期作品中最精彩的部分提取出来，重新混搭成一种更高级的版本。

He was just taking some of the best bits from earlier things and then remixing it into something new that was like a super version of that.

这让我想到，坎耶也做同样的事，他最初成名正是因为他从旧歌中采样，能敏锐地发现哪怕只有两三秒的音乐片段中也蕴含着价值，然后将这些片段发展成整首歌，或作为背景节拍融入整首作品中。

And that actually reminds me because Kanye actually does the same thing and that's what he became known for originally was taking samples from earlier songs and then noticing and being able to see the value that there was something there even in that little snippet of let's say two or three seconds of music and then taking that and turning it into an entire song or turning that into the background beat or something in an entire song.

这或许说明金牛座有一种相似的特质：能够识别出真正具有美学价值的事物，并善于将其重新包装，有时甚至改造成全新的东西？

There might be a similar quality there where Taurus is able to identify things that are really good aesthetically and does a good job of repackaging them sometimes and remaking them into something new?

我觉得不仅仅是美学方面。

I think not just aesthetic too.

因为当我回顾我最引以为傲的一些项目和工作时，发现这些都不是我凭空想出来的。

Because for me when I reflect on just some of the projects and the work I'm proudest of, it's stuff that I didn't think of from thin air.

而是我借鉴并调整以适应具体情境和环境的东西。

It's something that I copied and adapted to fit the situation and the setting.

比如，当我还在夏威夷时，我参与的一个项目是举办公民身份研讨会，帮助人们申请美国公民身份。

Like for example, when I was still in Hawaii, one of the projects I worked on was launching citizenship workshops to help people apply for US citizenship.

而这种做法在夏威夷之前并没有大规模开展过。

And it was something that really hadn't been done before to a large scale in Hawaii.

这些做法我都是从加利福尼亚和拉斯维加斯的一些团体那里借鉴来的。

I got that all from different groups who were doing it in California and Las Vegas.

这并不是完全凭空创造的。

It wasn't something completely made up.

我并不是在试图重新发明轮子，但我能找到方法，根据夏威夷的特殊情况对其进行独特的调整。

I'm not out here trying to reinvent the wheel, but I can figure out ways where it's okay adapting it uniquely to Hawaii's situation.

但确实，我完全有这种感觉。

But yeah, I totally feel that.

我非常喜欢这一点。

I love that.

所以这或许能让我们回到我们之前的一个观点，也许我们发现了这个观点的一个新层面，那就是：某件事并不需要是全新或独特的，才能具有价值。

So maybe that'll take us back to one of our previous points and maybe we found a new aspect of that which is one of our key phrases then is that something doesn't have to be new or unique in order for it to be valuable.

也许这正是金牛座原型的核心信条。

And maybe that's like an underlying sentence that is core to the Taurus archetype.

是的，没错，我很高兴你们提到这一点，因为我正在思考我的金牛座太阳在我的星盘中是如何体现的。

Yeah, no, I love that you guys brought that up because I'm just thinking about how I feel my Taurus Sun manifests in my own chart.

我只是在想，因为需要说明的是，我以前曾在研究神经退行性疾病的实验室工作。

No, I'm just thinking because, okay, so for context, I used to work in a lab that studies neurodegenerative disease.

我想我们当时的做法是，把我们认为导致神经退行性疾病的蛋白质，直接注射到小鼠大脑中——这部分手术内容，其实也体现了太阳主宰第六宫、主宰这些动物，以及手术本身。

And I think what we would do is we would take the proteins that we think cause neurodegenerative disease and literally inject Part of the surgery I would have to do, this is bringing in the Sun ruling the sixth house, ruling those animals and also the surgery itself.

我们会从这些老年大脑中提取这些物质，注入小鼠大脑，从而构建出阿尔茨海默病、帕金森病等的微型模型。

We take that material from these old brains and we would inject it into the mouse brains and we would have a sort of mini model of Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or whatever.

这是一个有趣的体现。

And so that's an interesting manifestation.

但我也觉得这反映了我作为科学工作者的生活，因为这正是我日常工作或日常生活中所做的事情。

But also I feel like it's reflective of my life as a science person because that's what I do in my day job or in my typical life.

所以，想想研究和科学的整个概念——取旧有的想法，找到新的方式去研究它们，对吧？

And so just thinking of the whole concept of what is research and science but taking old ideas and just finding new ways to study them, right?

因此，我想这有助于提升我们对事物运作方式或原因的理解。

And therefore, I guess enhancing our understanding of how things work or why they work.

是的，我喜欢这个观点。

Yeah, I like that.

这是个非常好的观点。

That's a really good point.

我可以调出一个星盘例子吗？或者你们想让我调出伊梅尔达·马科斯的星盘吗？因为她有很多强大的金牛座配置，我对她的传记做过不少研究。

Could I pull up a chart example or have you I pull one up for really want to talk about Imelda Marcos' chart because she has a lot of strong Taurus placements and I've studied her biography quite a bit.

我相信，是的，她在Astro Data Bank上有确认的出生时间。

And I believe, yeah, she does have confirmed birth time on Astro Data Bank.

但她曾是菲律宾的前第一夫人，至今仍保持着世界上拥有最多鞋子的纪录。

But she was a former first lady of The Philippines that still to this day has the world record for most number of shoes.

这太惊人了。

That's amazing.

这个星盘对吗？

Is this correct, the chart?

是的，我认为是的。

Yeah, I believe so.

我猜她可能是巨蟹座上升星座，

I thought she might have been a Cancer rising,

有可能。

It's possible.

我刚从我朋友尼克·迪金·贝斯特的旧文件里翻出这个，但我还没核实过。

Just pulled this up from very old files from my friend Nick Diggin Best, but I haven't checked.

让我去astro.com查一下最新的数据。

Let me check astro.com and see what the current is.

但无论如何，月亮在金牛座，北交点和金星也在金牛座，对吧？

But either way, has the Moon in Taurus and the North Node and Venus in Taurus, right?

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

所以回到我们刚才讨论的这一点：不要重新发明轮子，也不要试图创造一个非常、非常属于她个人的新东西。

So on the point we were just talking about not reinventing the wheel and just like not trying to create something new that very, very much is her.

作为菲律宾的第一夫人，她真的希望提升菲律宾的地位，就像一些开始崛起的亚洲国家那样，比如韩国、日本和新加坡。

As first lady of The Philippines, she really wanted to elevate The Philippines just like some of these other Asian countries that were starting to boom like Korea and Japan and Singapore.

因此，她大量借鉴了这些国家的经验。

And so she really looked to a lot of those countries for inspiration.

不管好坏，我认为她另一个广为人知的事迹，令人遗憾的是，她和丈夫从政府贪污了巨额资金，至今仍未追回，这导致国家和绝大多数公民陷入极度贫困，而他们自己却不断致富。

For better or worse, I think one of the other things she's really known for sadly is her and her husband had embezzled so much money from the government that still hasn't been recovered to this day, which really drove the country and the vast majority of its citizens into dire poverty all while they were enriching themselves.

她正是靠这种方式积累了如此庞大的鞋履收藏。

That's how she amassed this gigantic shoe collection.

我认为她在担任第一夫人期间发生的另一件悲剧事件是，她希望建造伟大的艺术作品，包括建筑物，尤其是在举办体育赛事或外交官来访时。

I think another really tragic thing that happened while she was first lady was one of the things she wanted to do was really erect great works of art, including like buildings, especially when it was aligning with some kind of like sporting event or some diplomat visiting.

她真的很想展示出：菲律宾是一个正在崛起的国家。

She really wanted to show like, Oh, The Philippines is up and coming country.

但遗憾的是，由于她急于推进这些项目，建筑工人在建造这些美丽艺术品时死亡率极高。

And sadly because she would rush through these projects, construction workers were dying at really terrible rates while trying to build these beautiful works of art.

另外，她曾是一位选美皇后。

And the other thing, she's a former beauty queen.

她身上有着太多金牛座的特质，包括金牛座不太光彩的一面。

There's just so much Taurus with her and the not so pretty parts of Taurus as well.

是的。

Yeah.

这是来自Astro Data Bank的正确星盘。

Here's the correct chart from Astro Data Bank.

她的上升星座是巨蟹座，太阳正好位于上升点，因此此刻可能已经转为日间星盘。

She has Cancer rising and the Sun's right on the Ascendant, so it's probably switching over to a day chart at this point.

巨蟹座上升，上升点由月亮守护，月亮位于第十一宫整宫制的金牛座一度，与北交点（20度金牛座）和金星（23度金牛座）同在。

Cancer rising, the Ascendant is ruled by the Moon which is at one degree of Taurus in the eleventh whole sign house up there with the North Node at 20 Taurus and Venus at 23 Taurus.

因此，她上升点的守护星实际上位于金牛座，而让某个星座在性格上更突出的常见原因之一，就是自身上升星座为该星座，或上升点守护星落入该星座。

So the ruler of her Ascendant is actually in Taurus which is one of the sometimes things that can make a certain sign of the zodiac more dominant or especially more dominant as a character trait is either having that as your rising sign or having the ruler of the Ascendant placed in that sign.

是的，这是个很好的例子。

Yeah, that's a good example.

请说。

Go ahead.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

想想。

Think

我讲完了。

I'm done with that.

我很好奇，她其实还活着。

I'm curious, she's still alive actually.

真的没有，我的意思是，她虽然被指控了一些事情，但考虑到她的年龄，我真的不认为她会因此被判刑，很遗憾，这个案子恐怕不会得到公正的处理。

Really hasn't I mean, she has been charged with some things, but in terms of just whether she's going to get jail time because of her age, I really don't think there's going to unfortunately be justice in this case.

我看着那个北交点，哦，我想知道这些日月食会如何影响她，而她的孙子现在正在竞选总统。

I'm looking at that North Node, Oh, I wonder how these eclipses are going to affect her and her Now her grandson's running for president right now actually.

哦，这很有趣。

Oh, that's interesting.

是的，选举。

Yeah, the elections.

糟了。

Shoot.

是的，选举快到了。

Yeah, the election's coming up.

就在这几天了。

It's like in a few days.

嗯，是啊。

Well, yeah.

我们现在正经历金牛座和天蝎座的日月食，这非常重要。

And we've got those eclipses going on in Taurus and Scorpio right now, So that's pretty big.

好吧，我正在看其他星盘例子，但目前没有哪个特别突出、非常适合讨论的。

All right, I'm just looking through other chart examples, but I don't have any that are jumping out that would be really good right now.

你们俩还有没有其他想提到的星盘？

There any others that either of you wanted to mention?

我的意思是，我想稍微聊聊鲍勃·迪伦的星盘。

I mean, I kind of want to talk about Bob Dylan's chart a little bit.

我第一次看到他的星盘时很震惊，因为我以为只是双子座太阳、射手座上升。

What shocked me about his chart when I first looked at it because I just think, Oh, Gemini Sun, Sag rising.

但后来我才发现，他的第六宫整宫里有一个庞大的金牛座星群。

But then I didn't realize he had a giant Taurus stellium in his sixth whole sign house.

就在这里。

Here it is.

射手座上升，土星在20度，月亮在21度，天王星在26度，木星在29度，都在金牛座。

Sag rising and then Saturn at 20, Moon at 21, Uranus at 26 and Jupiter at 29 Taurus.

是的

Yeah.

我看到他的命主星位于金牛座的末尾。

I'm seeing his chart ruler being at the end of Taurus.

每当我看到这个金牛座的群星汇聚，尤其是它正好位于金牛座最后的度数时，我就想：好吧，你的 sect 光体和命主星都在这里。

And I just think of when I see that Taurus stellium, especially because it's a proper stellium in that last second of Taurus, it's like, okay, your sect light and your chart ruler are here.

这太重要了。

So this is so important.

我觉得这很有趣。

I think it's interesting.

我不太确定他的作品中有多大一部分是真实的，但我知道，像他那个时代的其他艺术家一样，他重新推广了许多早已存在的老歌，也就是那些广为流传的民谣。

One thing I'm not sure how much of his discography of this is true, but I know that like other artists of his time, one thing he did was popularize again songs that were old already, so folk songs that were common.

我觉得他那些广为人知的歌曲，其实很多都是这类歌曲——至少那些至今仍流传的歌曲是这样，因为现在有不少 Gen Z 一代根本不知道鲍勃·迪伦是谁。

And I feel like a lot of his songs that are well known are actually those songs, at least the ones that still persist to this day since there are lots of Gen Zers apparently who don't know who Bob Dylan is now.

另外，我想的是，由于这一切都落在第六宫，他的许多歌曲，尤其是那些让他成名的作品，都与劳动运动未必直接相关，但却带有某种抗议或反抗的能量。

And then another thing I think of is just because all of that is in the sixth house, how a lot of his songs, especially the ones that he's more known for are those that are tied to not necessarily labor movements, but just some kind of protest y uprising kind of energy.

这就像是在为人们的情感提供配乐，关于他们如何被当权者剥削之类的感受。

It's like I'm providing the soundtrack to people's feelings about maybe the ways that they've been exploited by the powers that be or something like that.

因为我知道他写了很多歌曲，可能是在越南战争以及当时反文化运动的其他背景下创作的。

Because I know he had a lot of songs that he wrote maybe during Vietnam and all these other factors that were going on during the countercultural movement of the time.

这让我想到他的一些金牛座星体位置。

That's something I think about with some of his Taurus placements.

是的，这是个很好的观点。

Yeah, that's a good point.

上升星座的守护星位于金牛座，并且非常接近天王星，仅相隔三度以内，这增添了一些这种特质。

That ruler of the Ascendant in Taurus is conjunct Uranus pretty closely there within three degrees, which adds some of that component.

对，我喜欢这个说法。

Yeah, I like that.

我见过一些上升星座为射手座、命盘守护星在金牛座的人，他们从事与双手相关的工作，无论是以审美方式还是以疗愈方式，这正是第六宫能量的体现，有时两者会交叉。

I've seen some people with Sag rising and chart ruler in Taurus and doing work and wanting to work with the hands in some way either in an aesthetic sense or in a healing sense, which is where some of the sixth house stuff comes in, or sometimes a crossover between both.

但我注意到，这种相似性或交集的共同点在于，他们都希望以具身的方式，用手去做一些实际的事情，或是与人互动。

But I noticed that part of the similarity or the crossover, the commonality was just wanting to do something with the hands that was material and working with something or working with people but in a very embodied way.

是的， definitely.

Yeah, definitely.

我正在想其他一些能反映这一点的星盘例子。

I'm trying to think of other chart examples that kind of mirror that.

让我回到我的关键词列表，以确保我们没有遗漏任何我们想包含的重要关键词。

Let me go back to my keyword list just in order to make sure we're not overlooking any major keywords that we wanted to make sure we included.

好了。

Here we go.

谨慎、不易放手、富有接受性、固执、坚定、务实、耐力、可持续、耐用、厚重、坚实、停滞、按自己的节奏行事但也能坚持到底并形成惯性，这可能是好事也可能是坏事，缓慢、持久、坚持、持续、强大、坚定、放松、健壮、单调、懒惰、谋划。

Cautious, slow to let go, receptive, inflexible, determined, practical, endurance, sustainable, durable, thick, solid, stagnant, works on their own time but also follows through and develops inertia, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, slowness, enduringness, persistence, sustained, strong, steadfast, relaxed, hearty, monotonous, lazy, plotting.

我想我之前读过其中一些，但为了再次强调，因为现在我觉得我们开始更清楚地理解这些特质的来源了。

I guess I read some of those, but just to reiterate some of them because now I think we're starting to get a better sense of where some of that comes from.

我希望通过这些深入探讨，大家能理解一点：存在一个总的概念，而这个总概念既可以有建设性或积极的体现，也可以有消极的体现，它不一定非得是正面或负面的，而是可能走向任一方向。

And one of the things I hope people understand and see from doing these deep dives is how there's an umbrella concept and then there can be both constructive or positive and negative manifestations from that overarching concept that it doesn't necessarily have to be positive or negative, it can sort of go either way.

有时，不同的人在生命的不同阶段，会以不同方式表达出同一象征意义的建设性或破坏性变体。

And sometimes different people can express different variations of constructive or destructive versions of the same significations in their own life at different points in their life.

或者，随着我们的成长和发展，我们会在生命的不同阶段逐渐展现出属于同一原型的不同性格特质，这一点也同样重要。

Or sometimes as we grow and develop, we grow into and develop different personality traits that are part of the same archetype at different times in our life, which is sort of an important thing to understand as well.

有时候，你可能会在生命的早期认同某个星座的某些特质，但到了后期，你可能会开始认同那些你早年并不认同的其他特质。

Sometimes you'll identify with some parts of a sign, let's say early in your life, but then later in your life you might start to identify with other parts of that sign that maybe you didn't identify with earlier on.

你们俩有没有遇到过这种情况？

Has that ever happened to either of you?

有没有哪些金牛座的特质，你早年觉得完全说不通，但后来却突然觉得：‘哦，原来如此，这确实成了我的一部分’？

Is there like significations of Taurus that didn't make any sense to you early on, but then later on you're kind of like, Okay, yeah, that's become a thing.

或者，有没有哪些特质你早年很认同，但后来在人生中逐渐不再认同、甚至远离了？

Or are there ones that did early on, but then later in your life you sort of grew out of or moved away from?

对我自己来说，我觉得随着年龄增长，金牛座在我生活中的体现变得越来越明显。

For myself, I would say I feel like as I've gotten older, the way Taurus shows up in my life has become more apparent.

尤其是关于对舒适的需求，以及优先考虑那些能滋养我、或者让我喜欢、愉悦的事物，这些方面我尤其如此。

For myself, especially a lot of the significations around needing comfort and trying to prioritize things that either sustain me or also just things that I like or things that are pleasurable.

这些是我随着时间推移才慢慢学会接纳的。

That's something that I've had to grow into with time.

所以对我来说，我正在结束我的金牛座完美之年。

So for me, I'm actually wrapping up my Taurus perfection year.

因此，今年我比以往任何一年都更深入地体会到了这一原则，尽管上一次我经历这个时期时才14岁左右。

And so I've really gotten to get more in touch with that principle this year more so than other years even though last time I had this I was 14 I think.

我不知道，但这次似乎有什么东西开始真正清晰起来了。

I don't know, there's something different that's just starting to click this time around.

是的。

Yeah.

我很高兴那一年是你第三宫的流年。

Well, I love that that was a third house profection year for you.

过去一年你一直在做播客，不断交流和学习，想必在沟通方面收获不少。

You've been doing a podcast over the course of the past year and communicating and learning I'm sure things about communicating.

而你今年年底又用这期节目为这一年画上了句号。

And then you're kind of capping it off at the end of the year doing this episode with me.

我知道。

I know.

我觉得当你问我们的时候，金星正在做一些奇怪的事情，我当时就想，这太棒了。

I think when you asked us, there's just some weird stuff Venus was doing and I was like, This is great.

我们正在结束我的第三宫年，做这件事真是太好了。

And we're wrapping up my third house year doing this, this is awesome.

但我觉得这也让我意识到，疫情让我们都 offline，切断了大家与社区的联系，尤其是在今年后期——对我来说，这是我的完美年——我明显重新认识到自己是个非常外向的人，我需要与人互动，需要更多围绕与周围人分享感官体验的日常规律。

But I think that it's also allowed me to Just this and also thinking about how the pandemic has just taken us offline and disconnected everybody from their communities and stuff, especially towards the end of this year for me, well, this perfection year for me, I feel like I've definitely come back into understanding that I'm someone who's very sociable, I need to be interacting with people and I need more routines around sharing sensory experiences with the people around me.

所以我开始更多地参与社区活动，更多地散步，只是享受周围环境的整体美感。

So I've been getting more involved in my neighborhood, I've been walking around more and just enjoying the general aesthetic of it.

这真的很有帮助。

And that's been really helpful.

是的，我喜欢这一点。

Yeah, I like that.

这又是第三宫的事情，比如你的社区，以前我读古代文本时，看到说这是代表事业的宫位，总觉得这个含义很抽象。

So it's another third house thing, like your neighborhood, which always was an abstract signification for me whenever I'd see that you're reading an ancient text and it's saying all this important stuff of like, This is the house for career.

这个宫位还代表你将要结婚的人。

This one indicates the person that you'll marry.

这个代表你的孩子。

This one indicates your children.

然后它说，第三宫是你的社区。

And then it's like, Third house is your neighbourhood.

你就会想，这是什么意思？

And you're just like, What is that?

为什么这很重要？

Why is that important?

但当它被激活时，比如遇到重要的行运，如年主星运行到那里，你的社区、你周围的环境或邻居——那些和你住在一起的人——突然变得重要起来，这时你就会意识到，它们在你的生活中能扮演多么重大的角色，尤其是当情况走向极端时：要么一切顺利，社区成为你生活中非常支持性的部分；要么恰恰相反。

But sometimes when it's activated and have an important transit there like a profection and suddenly your neighbourhood, your immediate environment or your neighbours, like the people that you live next to, when that becomes more important suddenly you realise what a major role that can play in your life especially if it's going to one extreme or another where either things are going very well and it's very supportive part of your life or the opposite.

如果那里出了问题，成为你压力或困难的来源，那么这一点也会格外突出。

If something's going wrong there and that's a source of stress or difficulty for you, then that can really stand out as well.

确实如此。

Definitely.

对我来说，我知道周围很多人在进行修行实践。

I for me just knowing I guess also a lot of the people around me having a cultivation practice.

我兄弟姐妹做的一件事是尝试种植牛油果种子。

One thing my sibling does is that she will I guess try to grow avocado seeds.

这事儿之前提过。

That was something that came up.

但我也开始欣赏第三宫所代表的密友关系。

But also just like I've been appreciating the third house as close friends.

我的一位密友也开始种植植物和播种了。

And one of my close friends also has started growing plants and just planting things.

我认识很多人在种东西，他们教我一些事，比如：把植物种在室内和室外有什么不同，怎么才能让它长起来。

I just know a lot of people planting things and they're teaching me about like, Oh, this is what I'm going through trying to get this thing to plant inside versus outside.

所以今年出现了一个挺有趣的副作用，还挺好玩的。

So that's been a funny side effect of this year, which was pretty fun.

是的，我喜欢这个说法。

Yeah, I like that.

这可能也与我们星盘中的金牛座部分有关，那里有一些需要被培育、滋养和成长的事物。

And that might be an underlying thing there of the Taurus part of our chart where there's things that need to be grown and cultivated and nurtured in some way.

这可以应用到我们生活的许多不同方面，比如人际关系，有时候关系就像一个小花园，需要浇水、培育和呵护。

And that can be applied to many different parts of our life, like, let's say relationships or something where sometimes relationships are like a little garden that you have to water and you have to cultivate and grow.

因为如果你忽视它，这段关系真的会枯萎。

Because otherwise if you neglect it, the relationship can literally die.

在经历金牛座季节、思考金牛座原型时，意识到我们需要在生活中的哪些方面去成长、培育和照料事物，这或许是一个重要而有益的概念。

And maybe that's an important and useful concept to think of as we're going through Taurus season and thinking about the Taurus archetype is just where we need to grow and cultivate things in our life and tend to things.

是的，我喜欢这个说法。

Yeah, I like that.

我觉得，由于我有金牛座月亮落在第一宫，我确实思考过这与我另一个爱好——力量举之间的联系。

I think with having a Taurus Moon in the first house, I've actually thought about how that connects with one of my other hobbies, which is powerlifting.

过去七年我一直从事力量举训练。

And so I've been powerlifting for the past seven years.

我觉得在举重中，我逐渐真正欣赏到的一点是，它本质上就是每隔一天，或者你每周训练的那些日子，坚持去训练，像砍柴挑水一样重复做，然后你必须持续下去。

And I think one of the things I've come to really appreciate with lifting is it really does come down to just showing up every other day or however many days you do it per week and just chopping wood and carrying water and then you just got to keep doing it.

关键永远在于一致性。

It's always about the consistency.

另一方面，如果你因为其他事情、特殊情况或者只是需要休息而需要休息一周或两周，这也不会对你的进展造成致命影响。

And on the flip side of that, it's also like, well, if you need to take a week break or a two week break because you have other things going on or you have occasion or you just need the rest, it's also just not going to kill your progress either.

这一点中有一种我很喜欢的金牛座特质。

And there's some Taurian element to that that I like.

是的，这看起来非常重要。

Yeah, that seems really important.

保持一致性以及定期出现、按固定时间表做事情非常重要，而一旦你坚持下去，所积累的惯性甚至能在你偶尔被打断时帮助你继续前进。

The importance of consistency and just showing up regularly and doing something on a regular schedule and then the inertia that builds up once you do that that can help to carry you through even the times when something might interrupt your consistency.

没错。

Right.

对，你说起举重让我想到，人们常觉得金牛座懒惰，但很多运动员，比如穆罕默德·阿里——我现在想不起其他人了，但他是我第一个想到的——都有火星落在金牛座。

Yeah, no, it's funny that you brought up the lifting because it just makes me think about the connotations that Taurus can be lazy, but then also how a lot of fighters like Muhammad Ali and I can't think of anybody right now, but he's like the main one I think of have that Mars in Taurus.

我觉得这种持久的特质很有趣，因为尽管我们总认为金牛座懒惰，只想吃冰淇淋、瘫在沙发上，就像现在网上那些搞笑段子那样。

And I think there's this enduring quality that I feel is interesting because even though we think of, Oh, Taurus is lazy and they just want to eat ice cream and lay on the couch, all the fun memes we see on the internet these days.

但很多人没有意识到，惯性的概念是：一旦你开始了，就很难停下来，对吧？

I think what a lot of people don't realize about the concept of inertia is that once you start, it's kind of hard to stop, right?

你就是想一直坚持下去，继续坚持下去。

You just want to keep going at it and you want to keep going at it.

我觉得火星落在金牛座时，尽管它是火星的落陷位置，但我也会想到三分相，这是我最喜欢谈论的话题。

And I feel like with Mars in Taurus, even though it's Mars in its exile, I also think about triplicity, it's my favorite thing to talk about.

每当我看到那些落陷或落陷的行星同时拥有三分相时，几乎就像有一种共鸣，人们能理解在特定的时间和场合，那些通常不被视为最具建设性的事物也有其存在的意义。

And whenever I see planets that are fallen or in exile that do have triplicity, it's almost like there's a sympathy or that people understand that there's a time and a place for what usually doesn't feel like the most constructive thing to manifest.

所以每当我看到火星落在金牛座或巨蟹座时，几乎都有一种意愿，愿意为那些滋养你、维持你、对你有价值的事物而战。

So whenever I see Mars in Taurus or Mars in Cancer, there's almost this willingness to fight for what you feel nurtures you or what sustains you or what is valuable to you.

即使人们不一定认同这种做法，或者这种方式并不总是最恰当的，但我认为仍会有很多人对这种采用火星策略——比如为自己的舒适或类似事物而激烈对抗的人——抱有同情或理解。

Even if people don't necessarily agree with the approach or the approach is not always the most appropriate, I think there will be enough people that are sympathetic or understanding of someone employing a Martian strategy like being very confrontational over their comforts or something like that.

因为有时我会发现，当火星未得势时，容易出现把根本不存在的威胁误认为真实威胁的问题。

Because sometimes with Mars, I find that Mars when it's not dignified tends to have the issue of perceiving threats where there are none.

我认为人们可能会理解这种防御性，如果这么说能让人明白的话，这是因为存在元素或派系上的共鸣。

And I think that people might understand the defensiveness, if that makes sense, just because there's that elemental or sect agreement.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

你关于耐力的评论让我查了穆罕默德·阿里 的星盘，他的火星落在金牛座，中天也在金牛座，土星和天王星也都落在金牛座，上升星座是狮子座。

Your comment about endurance made me pull up Mohamad Ali's chart who had Mars in Taurus and the Midheaven in Taurus and Saturn and Uranus in Taurus with Leo rising.

正如你所说，他出名的一点就是耐力，能够打很多回合，并通过持久战拖垮对手，这是他整体策略的一部分。

And yeah, like you're saying, one of his things that he was famous for was just his endurance and being able to go a bunch of rounds and to outlast his opponent as part of his overall strategy.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一个很好的对比。

And this is a good contrast.

你在和里克的那期节目中提到过这一点。

This came up in your episode with Rick about Aries.

但我也记得奥斯顿在五月运势中提到过，那些有强烈白羊座配置的拳击手，如果能在头几回合内击倒对手，就能赢。

But I also believe that Austin mentioned it in the May forecast about fighters with strong Aries placements being if they get that knockout in that first couple of rounds, then they're going to win.

但如果他们没能做到，就会输。

But they don't, they're going to lose.

是的，那样的话他们就麻烦了。

Yes, then they're in trouble.

区别在于，我觉得里克是在对比火星或白羊座的能量与天蝎座的能量，白羊座是典型的主动星座，因此在开场时能爆发出强大的能量，就像短跑选手一样拥有初始的爆发力。

The difference, think Rick was contrasting Mars or Aries energy versus Scorpio energy and Aries being very cardinal and therefore great burst of energy out of the gate and really good sprinters metaphorically sprinting and having that initial burst of energy.

如果你的目标是在一开始就获胜，迅速击倒对手，那么这与天蝎座的能量形成对比——天蝎座的能量更固定，策略更偏向长期，注重耗尽对手或以智取胜。

If you're going to win winning right at the beginning and knocking out your opponent right at the start versus Scorpio energy being more fixed and their strategy being more long term and outlasting their opponent or out strategizing them or something.

完全正确。

100%.

我正在思考火星在天蝎座与火星在金牛座之间的区别，因为两者都涉及耐力或坚持。

And I'm just thinking about the difference between Mars in Scorpio versus Mars in Taurus because there is still that endurance or that persist.

我认为天蝎座更多是坚持，而不是耐力，因为我觉得天蝎座的火星可能拥有某种进攻上的优势。

I would say it's more persistence with Scorpio versus endurance because I feel like there's an offensive upper hand advantage that maybe Scorpio Mars has.

因为这就像：我知道我完全可以将足够的力量投入到我想采取的策略中。

Because it's like, I know I can actually maybe put enough power into this approach that I want to take.

而我觉得火星在金牛座时，更关注的是我能承受多少，而不是我能实际做到多少？

Whereas I feel like with Mars in Taurus, it's more about how much can I withstand versus how much can I actually do?

所以我认为这就是两者的区别所在。

And so I think that's where the difference is.

火星真正想要的是成为行动者，而不仅仅是被动承受大量打击的对象。

And Mars actually wants to be the doer and not just the object that just takes a bunch of hits.

所以我认为这就是挣扎所在。

And so I think that's where the struggle kind of is.

是的，这很有道理。

Yeah, that makes sense.

好的，让我回到我们的关键词列表。

All right, let me go back to our keyword list.

还有没有哪些重要的关键词或我们还没提到的内容？

Are there any major keywords or things that we have not mentioned yet?

我想我应该提一下，还有另一位投稿者。

I guess I should bring in there was another poster.

播客的听众Chloe提交了她制作的白羊座海报，她还为金牛座制作了另一张。

Listener of the podcast, Chloe submitted the Aries sort of poster that she made and she made another one for Taurus.

让我快速展示并分享一下，因为这可能包含一些我们还没谈到的含义。

Let me just show and share that really quickly because that may have some significations we haven't gotten to yet.

它说，金牛座由金星守护，月亮落陷，固定土象，象征公牛，对应颈部。

It says, Taurus ruled by Venus, exalted Moon, fixed Earth, bull, the neck.

哦对了，我们还没提到金牛座在十二星座中对应的身体部位是颈部。

Oh yeah, we haven't mentioned the body part yet that Taurus is associated with the neck in terms of the signs of the zodiac.

她提出的其他关键词是：慢一点、放慢脚步、慢慢来、有条不紊、稳重、抗拒变化、固执、可靠、忠诚、舒适、丰饶、花园、脚踏实地、稳扎稳打、持久力、耐力、谋划、默默推进、维护、一贯、节奏、固定、重塑形态、创造事物、品味、艺术作品、势利、品质、高标准、天然、触感、支持、感官、感官享受、闻闻玫瑰、泡泡浴、小憩和零食、贪婪、可靠、富有艺术性、别催我！

And the other keyword she gives is she says, I have slow, slow down, take your time, methodical, measured, anti change, stubborn, reliable, loyal, comfort, fecund, garden, grounded, slow and steady, staying power, endurance, plotting, plotting along, maintenance, consistent, pace, fix, fix the form, creating things, taste, works of art, snobbishness, quality, high standards, organic, tactile, support, sensory, sensory pleasures, smell the roses, bubble bath, naps and snacks, greedy, dependable, artistic, do not rush me exclamation mark.

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

别催我。

Do not rush me.

我的天啊。

My god.

我们从哪儿开始呢？

Where do we begin?

金牛座本质上就是：艺术急不得。

Taurus is basically you can't rush art.

你知道吗？

And you know what?

这是真的。

It's true.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

所以它可能一开始进展缓慢，而且绝对不喜欢被催促，因为在那种情况下它根本无法良好运作。

So it can be slow to sort of like get going and definitely does not like to be rushed at all because it definitely does not function as well under those circumstances.

对。

Yeah.

我有个有趣的小故事，关于我上一家公司，有个同事来找我，向我倾诉另一位同事的事。

I have a quick funny story of my last workplace where a coworker came to me to go vent about another coworker.

她正在抱怨一位太阳星座和金星星座都是金牛座的同事。

She was venting about a coworker who's a Taurus Sun and a Taurus Venus.

她说，他们得一起出差，她抱怨说他们已经迟到了，赶不上登机口。

And she was like, They had to take a work trip together and she was complaining that they were already so late to get to the gate.

登机口都已经在叫他们的名字了，但这位金牛座同事仍然站在星巴克排队，怎么都不肯走。

They were already calling their names at the gate, but the Taurus coworker was still standing in line for his Starbucks and would not budge.

第二天，这位金牛座同事又来找我倾诉，说那个同事一路上催他催得特别紧。

And then Taurus coworker the next day came to me at a vent about that co worker saying she was rushing me the entire time.

登机口就在星巴克旁边。

The gate was right next to the Starbucks.

这根本不是什么大事。

It wasn't a big deal.

我太喜欢这个故事了。

I love it.

真不错。

Nice.

是的。

Yeah.

除此之外，这件事还引发了哪些你们还没提到的含义或联想呢？

What other significations did that bring or did that sort of draw out for either of you that we haven't mentioned so far?

也许我们可以谈谈与脖子的关联，因为正如你在白羊座那一集里提到的，白羊座对应头部，而我们现在正沿着身体往下走。

Maybe we could talk about the association with the neck because as you discussed in the Aries episode, the Aries is associated with the head and we're moving down the body.

所以金牛座对应的是脖子。

And so Taurus is associated with the neck.

我经常听说，唱得好的人，甚至演讲出色的人，往往都有不错的金牛座星盘配置。

I've often heard that people who are good singers tend to have or good speakers even tend to have some pretty good Taurus placements.

最近有个有趣的故事，我在这里参加了一场金牛座主题的卡巴莱演出，和几位其他占星师一起，现场有四位歌手，我们要猜出谁是金牛座太阳、金牛座月亮、金牛座上升，以及那个冒牌货。

And one funny story recently, I was doing an event here, a Taurus themed cabaret show here in New York with a couple of other astrologers where there were four singers and we had to guess out of those four who was the Taurus sun, a Taurus moon, a Taurus rising and an imposter.

另一位占星师，Mac the Zodiac，一直盯着看。

And one of the other astrologers, Mac the Zodiac, she kept looking.

有一位男士穿着高领毛衣，她就说：‘我觉得你一定是金牛座上升。’

There was one guy who had a turtleneck on and she was like, I feel like you must be the Taurus rising.

她本不该犹豫的，因为那个人最后确实就是金牛座上升。

And she shouldn't have second guessed herself because he did end up being the Taurus rising.

但她一直说：你遮着脖子，我就觉得你肯定是天秤座上升。

But she kept saying like, You're covering your neck and I just feel like you're probably a Taurus rising.

她最后时刻改了答案。

And she ended up changing her answer last minute.

哦不。

Oh no.

是的。

Yeah.

从那以后，我们一直在互相转发表情包。

And we've been just sending each other memes ever since.

比如我看到一个，你知道推特上那些总是做的星座情绪板吗？你可以选自己的太阳、月亮、上升星座。

Like I saw one You know how they always do those mood boards on Twitter where you can pick your sun moon rising?

天秤座上升的那个是只猫，那只天秤座上升的猫戴着一个巨大的项圈。

The Taurus rising, it was a cat one and the Taurus rising cat had this big giant collar on.

对。

Yeah.

不，我超爱这个。

No, I love that.

但问题是。

But here's the thing.

作为金牛座太阳，我超爱高领毛衣。

So as a Taurus sun, I love turtlenecks.

我衣柜里有一半都是高领毛衣，我一点也不觉得羞愧。

That's half my closet and I am not ashamed to admit that.

还有一点，关于你提到的金牛座与喉咙的关系，这很有趣，因为像坎耶、鲍勃·迪伦、阿黛尔这些例子，我觉得他们的水星是双子座。

Another thing is that speaking to your point about Taurus placements and the throat, It's interesting because even some of our examples like Kanye, Bob Dylan, think can't know, Adele has a Gemini Mercury, I think.

但金牛座水星确实与歌唱或表达有关联。

But there's associations with Taurus Mercury as in singing or speech.

我想到很多擅长创作歌曲、唱歌或写歌词的人，他们有能力发出让人愉悦的声音，或者传达让人感到舒适的信息。

And I think of a lot of people who are either good songwriters, good singers, good lyricists, like people who have the ability to make sounds that are pleasurable to people or just convey messages that are nice to people.

是的，没错，我觉得很多金牛座的配置，尤其是当金牛座占据某个位置时——我自己就有这种体验，别人说我播客的声音很好听。

Yeah, no, I think that a lot of Taurus placements, especially if they have Taurus either occupying So I've seen this both with myself, I've heard that I have a good podcasting voice.