占星学中的第五宫，第二部分：上升星座的守护者

是的

Yeah.

他早已存在第五宫与第八宫之间的这两种联系：一方面有生育多个孩子的动机，另一方面又确实失去过一个孩子。

And he already had those two connections between the fifth and the eighth, both motivation for having lots of children as well as having actually one of his children die.

但有趣的是，另一个表现——虽然令人悲伤，但从占星学角度看却很有意思——是他有一个孩子是跨性别者，而他多次在公开场合将她当作已经去世的人来谈论。

But it's interesting, another manifestation, I mean, sad but interesting astrologically, is one of his children is is transgender, and he's repeatedly talked about her publicly as though she's died.

他甚至说她已经‘死了’，因为他完全不愿承认她，只因她是跨性别者。

He's, like, said that she's dead because that's how much he will not, like, acknowledge her because she's transgender.

我觉得这同样是第五宫和第八宫主宰者的另一种体现：她并非真正死去，但他却感觉她就像已经离世一样。

And I thought that was an interesting ruler of the fifth and the eighth as well, is she's not literally dead, but he, know, he is he's feeling as though she is.

对。

Right.

或者至少是这样对待的。

Or treating it as such.

对。

Right.

把她当作那样对待。

Treating her as such.

所以是的。

So yeah.

这就是那个例子。

So that's that example.

但我们实际上还有其他几个类似的例子。

But we actually have a couple other examples like that.

其中一个就是米娅·法罗。

So one of them was Mia Mia Farrow.

这位女演员有很多孩子。

The actress has quite a few children.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

她有，呃，抱歉。

She has sorry.

我一时找不到那个资料。

I'm having trouble pulling up the thing.

我记得她大概有13个孩子。

She has, I think, about 13 children, if I'm remembering right.

对。

Right.

这些孩子中有生物子女，也有她收养的吧？

And it's mixture of like biological children, but also she adopted a number of children?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得她有四个亲生的。

I think she has about four biological.

其余的都是收养的。

The rest are adopted.

而且他们是从世界不同地方收养的，其中一些是特意收养的，因为他们患有艾滋病或其他慢性疾病。

And they're adopted from different places in the world, and some of them deliberately adopted because they had, like HIV or other chronic illnesses.

然后她已经有了大约十五个孙辈，都是这些孩子生的。

And then she has I think about 15 grandchildren already from those children.

是的，这又是另一个孩子数量激增的例子。

And yeah, so it's just another explosion of children example.

我觉得她另一件特别有趣的事情是，当谈到不同人养育众多孩子的不同动机时，她说她希望自己的家充满不同的文化、不同的生活方式等等。

One of the other things I thought was particularly interesting about hers was, you know, in speaking about different people having different motivations for having lots of children, she said that she wanted her home to be like filled by filled with like different cultures and and, you know, different different lifestyles and things like that.

我觉得有趣的是，她的上升星座位于第三宫，这与家庭和家园有关，而第三宫由位于第九宫的月亮守护。

And I thought it was interesting that she has the IC, which is a sensitive point with regard to home and family in the third house and it's ruled by the moon in the ninth house.

第九宫涉及的是异国他乡，那些与你成长环境不同的地方，等等。

And the ninth house has to do with, you know, foreign places, places that are different than, you know, what you grew up with, things like that.

因此，这无疑是她生活中这种特质的体现方式之一。

And so that's definitely part of how that manifested for her.

嗯。

Mhmm.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这是另一个木星位于第五宫的例子。

So that was another Jupiter in the fifth house example.

还有一个当代的例子，能很好地说明这一点，就是尼克·卡农的出生图，他是一位著名喜剧演员，他的行星在第五宫形成了群聚。

And then one more, like, contemporary one that is another good example of this just to, like, drive the point home is is the birth chart of Nick Cannon, who's a famous comedian, but he has a stellium of planets in the fifth house.

他和六位不同的女性育有十二个孩子。

And he has 12 children with six different women.

所以，再次说明，第五宫行星群聚意味着很多孩子。

So, again, like a lot of children with a stellium in the fifth house.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这真的太不可思议了。

It's really incredible.

像我不知道怎么说。

Like I don't I don't know.

就在这里。

There it is.

这就是星盘。

There's the chart.

所以这是双子座上升，土星、太阳、月亮和冥王星都落在第五宫整宫图中，而且是夜盘。

So it's Gemini rising with Saturn and the sun and the moon and Pluto in the fifth whole sign house in a night chart.

所以是的。

So yeah.

所以在这个例子中，有趣的是，这并不是像木星那样的行星，而只是显示了第五宫中行星的密集聚集。

So in this instance, it's interesting because it's not like Jupiter or something like that, but it's just showing a major cluster of planets in the fifth house.

而且，你知道，这有点复杂，因为一方面，这非常直接地表明他有很多孩子。

And, you know, it's tricky because on the one hand, that is very literally, like, he has a bunch of children.

但同时，第五宫还涉及其他相关主题，因为他本身也是一位喜剧演员，尤其因主持《While and Out》这个节目而闻名。

But then also, there's other fifth house topics that are relevant because he's also, like, a comedian, and he's famous especially for hosting the show While and Out.

我觉得是在MTV上播的，不过好像是这样。

I think on I think it was on MTV, but it was Mhmm.

像喜剧演员们进行喜剧对决，几乎像是彼此之间的吐槽大战。

Like comedians doing, like, comedy battles and almost like roast battles against each other

是的。

Mhmm.

这在某种程度上也是土星与第五宫的一种有趣体现。

Which is an interesting manifestation of, like, the Saturn and the the fifth house to some extent as well.

因为稍后当我们看到一些作家和社会评论员时，会发现土星在第五宫时带有这种批判性特质，甚至像后来我们会看到的著名影评人也是如此。

Because we'll see later when we get to some like writers and social commentators that there's like this critical aspect of Saturn when it's in the fifth house or even like famous like movie reviewers that we'll see later on as well.

是的。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

我们接下来还会有一整个关于喜剧演员的章节。

And we have a whole comedian section coming up too.

是的

Yeah.

好的

Alright.

那我们继续吧。

So let's move on.

其中一个话题，也是最后几个话题之一，有时会提到父性问题，嗯。

One of the topics, one of the last ones, one of the topics that comes up sometimes is like paternity Mhmm.

父性问题可能会作为第五宫的一个普遍话题出现，比如亲子纠纷和其他相关事项。

Can come up as a general topic of, like, paternity, paternity disputes, and other things with the fifth house.

还有一个我在研究著名星盘时发现的有趣案例。

And one that was interesting that came up as I was, like, trying to research this with notable nativities.

我们聚焦于著名星盘，因为这些都是公开记录的事件，人们可以查阅和验证，也能获取更多相关信息，从而确保我们所陈述的内容能够被证实，符合我们试图呈现的研究依据。

And we focused on notable nativities because these are, like, publicly documented events that people can research and verify and that you can find out more information about and so that it's clear that what we're saying can be, like, validated in terms of this research that we're attempting to put out there.

好的。

Okay.

所以我找到的一个与此相关的星盘是格温·史蒂芬妮的星盘。

So one of the charts that I found related to this is the chart of Gwen Stefani.

这是她的出生星盘。

And here's her birth chart.

她的上升星座是摩羯座，土星位于金牛座，位于第五宫整宫，与天底（IC）相合，仅相差几度，且位于金牛座早期。

It has Capricorn rising with Saturn in Taurus in the fifth whole sign house conjunct the IC within a few degrees, which is also in early Taurus.

我觉得这一点很有趣，因为我曾经是No Doubt的超级粉丝。

And one of the things I found interesting about this because I was like a huge No Doubt fan.

我不知道你是否听过No Doubt，但我在九十年代末和两千年初的时候特别喜欢。

Like, don't know if you listen to No Doubt, but I was in the late nineties and early two thousands.

她们曾是一个非常著名的乐队。

They were like a huge band.

但在她2000年、2001年，也许是2002年的专辑里，有一首歌提到她想当妈妈。

But she had this, like, song in her, like, 2000, 2001, maybe it was 2002 album where she talked about, like, wanting to be a mom.

在歌曲《Simple Kind of Life》中，很明显她对这件事有一种深切的渴望。

And it was, like, clear that this was something that she sort of, like, yearned for in one of these songs from the song Simple Kind of Life.

在第三段歌词中，她唱道：我总以为自己会成为妈妈。

And the in verse three, it said, I always thought I'd be a mom.

有时我渴望一个错误。

Sometimes I wish for a mistake.

我等待得越久，就越显得自私。

The longer that I wait, the more selfish that I get.

你看起来会是个好爸爸，好爸爸。

You seem like you'd be a good dad good dad.

所以，这首歌讽刺的是，出自她的专辑《The Return of Saturn》。

So this is from her ironically, is from her album, The Return of Saturn.

而且她上升星座是摩羯座，土星位于代表子女的第五宫，并且是上升星座的守护星。

And she has Capricorn rising and has Saturn, like, in the fifth house of children as the ruler of the Ascendant.

所以她最终嫁给了我认为——我不确定她当时是否已经和Gavin Rossdale约会了，他是另一支著名乐队Bush的主唱，还是他们那时才开始交往。

So she ended up marrying I think I don't know if she was already dating Gavin Rossdale, who's the lead singer of another famous band Bush or if they'd gotten together by that point.

但他们于2002年结婚，而这张专辑早在2000年4月就已发行，因此结婚时间距离专辑发布仅过了几年。

But they got married in 2002, which would have been just a couple years after this album was released in April 2000.

不过他们遇到了一个问题：据我所知，就在他们结婚后不久，他意外得知有一位15岁的年轻女子联系了他。

And they ran into an issue though where I think it was, like, not long after they got married, he found out unexpectedly that there was this young woman who was 15 year old years old that reached out to him.

结果发现，他多年前曾与另一位女性有过一段关系，并育有一名孩子，而他自己对此毫不知情，直到女儿长到那个年龄才得知真相。

And it turned out that he had fathered a child with another woman that he was in a relationship with that he had no idea about from, like, years earlier and that the daughter herself didn't know until she was about that age.

后来，她决定告诉母亲，母亲直接挑明了这件事，他们随即做了亲子鉴定，结果证实那确实是Gavin Rossdale的女儿。

And then she decided to her mom, like like, said it, and and they did a paternity test at that point, and it came back positive that, like, that was basically, like, that was Gavin Rossdale's daughter.

因此，这引发了一个有趣的现象：当时，北交点和南交点正移动并与Gwen Stefani第五宫中的土星相合，导致日月食发生在她的子女宫。

So this caused, like, a reportedly one of the things that was happening that was interesting is, like, the north the nodes were moving over and conjoining Gwen Stefani's Saturn at this point in the fifth house so that eclipses were taking place in her fifth house of children.

据报道，这在他们婚姻初期造成了相当大的紧张关系。

And reportedly, like, this caused a significant amount of, like, tension between the two of them at the time because it was, like, really early in their marriage.

尽管她希望要孩子，但他们当时还没有共同的孩子。

And even though she wanted to add children, she had they hadn't had children together.

他们后来和好了。

They would go on later.

他们修复了关系，解决了问题，并在接下来的十年里共同育有三个孩子。

They would patch things up and work things out and go on to have three children together over the course of the next decade.

但显然，这在他们结婚后不久就成为了一段早期的波折。

But this was like an early, like, rocky patch between the two of them evidently, like, not super long after they got married.

我从她的角度思考了一下，当时几乎突然出现了一个问题：我是不是要当继母？

And I kind of, like like, was thinking about it from her perspective is, like, there was almost, like, a sudden thing of, like, probably, I assume that would have come up of, like, am I a stepmom?

就在这个时候，这件事突然曝光，而日月食又正好发生在她的第五宫。

Like, all of a sudden when this this came up at this time and eclipses were, like, happening in her fifth house.

所以，是的，我觉得这是一个非常有趣的例子，显然孩子这个话题对她个人很重要，但后来又以一种奇特的方式出现了。

So, yeah, I thought that was a really interesting example that, obviously, the topic of children is personally relevant for her, but then it came up in this other weird way as well at one point in time.

对。

Right.

是的

Yeah.

我确信当时这造成了巨大的问题，而土星位于第五宫恰恰体现了这一点。

That would be I I'm sure that created, like, a huge issue at the time, and it's kind of exemplified by that Saturn in the fifth.

我有点奇怪地想到这支乐队叫‘No Doubt’，因为我们的土星守护星正好在第五宫，而第五宫也代表创造力，土星则与怀疑之类的事物相关。

I'm just distracted in a funny way about the band being called No Doubt too because our senate ruler is Saturn in the fifth and, know, the fifth being also creative output and Saturn being associated with things like doubt.

所以这个名字本身就很有趣。

So the name is funny in itself.

但那次经历，确实是一段关于孩子议题的极具挑战性的经历。

But yeah, that experience, yeah, that would be like a very challenging experience with regard to the topic of children.

对。

Yeah.

她那里有土星，而且守护星金星从处女座落入第九宫，与上升点形成和谐相位，并且与冥王星同星座共存。

And she has that Saturn there, and also the ruler Venus is closely trine the Ascendant from Virgo in the ninth house, and it's co present by sign anyway with Pluto.

因此，这也进一步凸显了第五宫所关联的动荡而强烈的经历。

So again brings up sort of more tumultuous experiences as well as powerful experiences with regard to the fifth house.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

第五宫主星金星位于第九宫，我觉得这很有趣，因为加文·罗斯戴尔来自英国，而格温·史蒂芬妮来自美国。

With the ruler of the fifth house of children being Venus in the ninth house, I thought it was funny that Gavin Rossdale is from The UK and Gwen Stefani is from The US.

因此，她最终和一个外国人有了孩子。

And so she ended up having children with somebody from another country.

结果，她的三个孩子都拥有美国和英国的双重国籍，而这正对应了第五宫主星位于第九宫——代表外国和旅行。

And as a result of that, both of her all three of her children have dual citizenship with The US and The UK with the ruler of the fifth fifth house of children in the ninth house of foreign places and foreign travel.

太棒了。

That's great.

是的。

Yeah.

最后一点是，她和加文·罗斯戴尔在大约十年后分手了，据说是因为他被指控有不忠行为。

So the last point is that they, her and Gavin Rossdale late like, decade later, would later split up supposedly due to, like, accusations of infidelity on his part.

然后这是一个我们在这里不需要深入讨论的话题，但稍后我们会看到它再次出现，因为第五宫也与性与性取向有关。

And then that's a topic that we don't have to go into a lot here, but we'll see come up more later as well as a potential topic sometimes with the fifth house because of its connection also with sex and sexuality.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

这可能会以积极或具有挑战性的方式发生。

Which can go in positive or challenging ways.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

好的。

Alright.

那么我们继续吧。

So let's move on.

那么我们现在说到哪儿了？

So where are we at?

我想就这些了。

I think that's it.

我本来还想简单提一下另一个点，不展示星盘：看到这一点并思考父性时，我想起了2000年代中期的一件事，当时有一名斯帕克女孩说她生下了著名喜剧演员埃迪·墨菲的孩子，但埃迪·墨菲却公开否认自己是生父。

The only other one I was gonna mention just briefly without showing charts is the looking at that and thinking about paternity made me think about there was this period in, like, the mid two thousands where Eddie Murphy one of the, like, Spice Girls said that she had fathered the child of Eddie Murphy, the famous comedian, but then Eddie Murphy was, like, denying paternity very publicly.

但孩子出生的日期，恰恰就是他的生日，精确到同一天。

But then the baby was born, like, on his birthday, like, literally on the exact same day.

而且我记得当时他的太阳落在白羊座某个特定度数，而孩子出生时，太阳也正好落在白羊座完全相同的度数。

And it was like he had the sun in Aries at a specific degree, I forget right now, and the baby was born with the sun in Aries at, like, the exact same degree.

所以当时我们所有占星师都彼此对视，心照不宣地说：是的。

And so, like, I remember at the time all of us astrologers were, like, looking at each other and being like, yeah.

这很可能就是他的孩子。

That's probably gonna be end up being his his child.

后来，事实果然如此。

And and later, it ended up being being the case.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

这真的很有趣。

That's really funny.

如果你懂占星术，这简直就是早期的线索；否则，就不太明显了。

It's like an early tell if you know astrology and otherwise, you know, not so much.

不过我想，即使你不是占星师，人们也会说，我不知道。

Although I guess even if you're not an astrologer, people would be like, I don't know.

出生在你的生日那天。

Born on your birthday.

你知道的？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

尤其是作为占星师的时候。

Well, especially as an astrologer.

我的意思是，这当然不是100%准确，但确实引起了不少关注。

I mean, certainly it's not 100%, but it's certainly raising some some eyebrows.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

So alright.

所以这就是关于上升宫主星位于第五宫（子女宫）的部分。

So that's the section on the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house of children.

在我们未来的某些例子中，我们会继续看到子女作为一个重要因素出现。

In some of our future examples, we're gonna continue to see children come up as a major factor.

但至少这让你对第五宫如何在实际命盘分析中成为重要主题有了一个概念和示范——当你拥有上升宫主星或第五宫有群星汇聚时。

But this at least gives you an idea and a demonstration of that with real life empirical chart work of how the fifth house can really come up and be important as a major topic when you have the ruler of the Ascendant or you have stelliums there.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我认为这些图表中展现出这一现象的选取非常恰当。

I think that was a good robust selection of charts where that shows up.

不错。

Cool.

好的。

Alright.

那么我们继续进入下一个部分，主题是性与性取向，以及当上升宫主星位于第五宫时，某些图表中这一主题成为核心的例子。

So let's move on to our next section, which is gonna be the topic of sex and sexuality and some charts where that's like a major focus when the ruler of the Ascendant is located in the fifth house.

我想分享的第一个案例是著名篮球运动员威尔特·张伯伦的出生图，他的上升宫主星位于第五宫。

So the first chart example that I wanted to share is the birth chart of the famous basketball player, Wilt Chamberlain, who had the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house.

这是星盘。

So here is the chart.

因此，这个星盘是金牛座上升，上升宫的守护星金星位于第六宫的处女座，在夜间星盘中与海王星和水星同宫。

So it has Taurus rising, and the ruler of the Ascendant is Venus, which is located in Virgo in the fifth whole sign house in a night chart along with Neptune and Mercury.

有趣的是，我们会看到很多著名的运动员，他们把原本只是爱好或消遣的运动，提升到了职业生涯或人生事业的高度。

So what's interesting about him on the one hand, we're gonna see a lot of famous sports players and people that take what are otherwise, like, games that are done as, like, hobbies, but, like, elevate them to being part of their career or part of their life's work.

他是这方面的早期例子，因为他是一位著名的篮球运动员。

And he's an early example of that because he was a a famous basketball player.

但他的传记中一个值得注意的点是，他曾写过一本自传。

But one of the things that became notable about his biography is he wrote a he wrote wrote an autobiography at one point.

在他的第二本书《俯瞰》中，他声称自己曾与两万名女性发生过关系。

And in his second book titled A View From Above, he claimed to have had sex with 20,000 women.

那只是一个估算，但据称是基于他自己的计算或平均值之类的。

And that was, like, an estimate, but it was, like, based on supposedly, like, his calculations or, like, averages or something.

我也不太清楚。

I don't really know.

它在某处解释了他是如何得出这个数字的，但显然，与两万名女性发生关系是一个疯狂或极高的数字，而他上升点的守护星正好位于代表性与性欲的第五宫。

It explains at one point, like, how he came up with that number, but that's obviously, like, a crazy number or a very large number of people to have had sex with, and he has the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house of sex and sexuality.

因此，这一直是我最直接的例子之一，可以说是这一特质的极端版本。

So this has always been one of my most, like, literal examples of, let's say, like, an extreme version of that.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

对。

Yeah.

你完全可以，我的意思是，毫无疑问，你能看到他在体育和性欲这两个方面的专注。

You can definitely I mean, I think without discussion, you can see the focus there both with the sports and the sexuality.

有趣的是，水星是这个宫位的守护星，而且它位于自己的星座处女座。

It's interesting also that he has Mercury is the ruler of that that house, and it's in its own sign of Virgo.

因此，它很好地支持了第五宫。

So it's supporting the fifth house very well.

而金星本身，作为上升点的守护星落入第五宫，正非常紧密地形成对木星的刑相位，而木星位于其自身的星座射手座。

And Venus itself, the Ascendant ruler in the fifth, is very closely applying to square Jupiter in its own sign of Sagittarius.

我并没有太关注木星所在的宫位。

I'm not so much focusing on the house of Jupiter.

我只是想说，木星众所周知会扩大事物。

It's just Jupiter as we know expands things.

因此，这进一步放大了他在这方面的议题。

And so it's like expanding that topic further for him.

没错。

Right.

当然。

For sure.

在维基百科上提到，针对公众对他放荡生活的批评，张伯伦后来回应说：'使用这个数字的目的是为了表明，性在我生活中占据的重要地位，就像篮球一样。'

On Wikipedia, it says it said in response to public backlash regarding his promiscuity, Chamberlain later said, quote, the point of using the number was to show that sex was a great part of my life as basketball was a great part of my life.

这就是我单身的原因。

That's the reason why I was single.

在1999年去世前不久的一次采访中，张伯伦遗憾自己没有解释过他放纵时期的性氛围，并警告那些因他而仰慕这种生活方式的男性：‘你们这些认为和一千个不同的女人发生关系很酷的人，我这一生学到的是，同一个女人经历一千次，远比换一千个女人更令人满足。'

In a 1999 interview shortly before his death, Chamberlain regretted not having explained the sexual climate at the time of his promiscuity and warned other men who admired him for it saying, with all of you men out there who think that having a thousand different ladies is pretty cool, I've learned in my life that I found out that having one woman a thousand different times is much more satisfying.

张伯伦还表示，他从未接近过结婚，也完全没有养育孩子的打算。

Chamberlain Chamberlain also said that he never came close to marrying, and he had no intention of raising any children.

所以我觉得这真的很有趣，因为它能让你看到，有时候会出现某些话题，或者一个话题，有时则是两个话题——比如性与性取向，以及游戏和篮球，还有普遍的愉悦与享受；但也会有一些话题根本不会出现。

So I thought that was really I thought that was really interesting just because it can show you, again, like, how sometimes there can be some topics that come up or one topic or sometimes two two topics in this instance, like sex and sexuality as well as games and basketball and just generally, like, pleasure and enjoyment, but then there can be, like, other topics that don't necessarily come up.

他就是一个例子，他说自己根本没有打算养育孩子，而且 presumably 也没有孩子，因此即使其他话题出现了，这个话题可能依然不会被提及。

So he's an example where, you know, he said he had he had no intention of raising children and presumably had no children so that that topic might not come up even if the other topics did.

是的。

Yeah.

当上升宫主星落入某个宫位时，你可以相对可靠地定位到人生焦点，至少对应其中一个主题；但你必须观察它如何展开，才能看出哪些主题会浮出水面。

You can reliably locate the life focus when, you know, there's an Ascendant ruler in a house to at least one of those topics, but not you you kinda have to see how it plays out in terms of which topics come to the forefront.

对。

Right.

当然。

Absolutely.

好的。

Alright.

我们来看下一个例子，即克里斯汀·盖皮的出生图，她是比尔·克林顿于1993年任命的美国首位艾滋病政策协调员。

Let's move on to the next example chart, which is the birth chart of Christine Geppi, who was The United States' first AIDS policy coordinator that was appointed by Bill Clinton in 1993.

这基本上是在艾滋病疫情最严重的时期。

And this is, like, during the height of the AIDS epidemic, basically.

当时政府设立了这样一个新职位，旨在帮助应对并抗击这一问题。

She they created a new, like, role in the government in order to help try to address this and, like, fight this topic.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

她有——我不知道你是否现在想调出她的星盘。

And she has I don't know if you wanna pull up her chart now.

她的上升星座是双鱼座，木星在巨蟹座得势，位于第五宫。

She has Pisces rising with Jupiter exalted in Cancer in the fifth house.

所以，第五宫的主题，比如性，有着强烈的关注，即使并不完全局限于性。

So there's, like, a strong focus on fifth a fifth house topic of sexuality or something that, you know, greatly involves sexuality, even if not exclusively so.

而她担任了高级职位，这由上升星的守护星在第五宫的擢升所体现。

And she had a high level position, which is shown by the exaltation of that Ascendant ruler in the fifth.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我们正在看一张上升为双鱼座、太阳和木星位于巨蟹座第五宫整宫、且为夜盘的星盘。

So we're looking at a chart with Pisces rising and the sun and Jupiter in Cancer in the fifth whole sign house in a night chart.

在过去几年里，我对擢升有了更深的理解，我想将来专门做一期节目来探讨这个话题。但简单来说，擢升的字面意思就是：在某个领域达到极高的水平，或者被提升到你所选择的职业、领域或活动中所能达到的最高位置。

And that's something I've really learned about exaltations in the past couple of years past few years that I wanted I'm gonna do a whole episode on it at some point, but just that what exaltation means in a very literal sense is, like, either doing something at a very high level or being raised up to the highest possible position that you can get in a chosen profession or field or sphere of activity.

嗯。

And Mhmm.

就是这样。

That's that's literally it.

在她的情况中，上升守护星位于第五宫，意味着她专注于安全性行为、与安全性行为相关的医疗事务，以及帮助人们应对性行为和性传播感染等问题。

In her case, it's like with the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house, it's somebody that's, in her instance, like, focused on, you know, safe sex and, like, medical things surrounding safe sex and helping people when it comes to sexuality and sexually transmitted infections and things like that.

但这样一来，这就相当于将这一领域提升到了最高水平，成为全国范围内专注于该主题的顶尖医生，并为其他医生树立标准。

But then it's like raising that up to the highest level of literally being, like, the leading doctor in the land to focus on that topic and to try to set a standard for all other doctors as well.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为这是一个第五宫聚焦性议题的绝佳例子。

I think it's a really good example of sexuality focus in the fifth.

有趣的是，她同时拥有第五宫和第二宫的守护星，我想你之前提到过关于她职位资金支持的相关内容。

It's also interesting she has the ruler of the fifth and the second, and I think you found something about funding for for this with regard to her position.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

但在她的指导和克林顿总统的领导下，艾滋病研究与预防的预算显著增加了超过30%。

But under under her guidance and with president Clinton's leadership, the budget for HIV AIDS research and prevention saw a significant increase of over 30%.

所以，你知道，这还意味着投入了比之前两届政府——尤其是里根政府——多得多的资金来应对这一问题，而里根政府基本上对此置之不理。

So, you know, it was also about putting a lot more money towards dealing with the problem than had been done up to that point by the previous two administrations, especially Reagan, was, like, ignoring it for the most part.

当然。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

因此，这在这一议题上确实是一次巨大的转变。

So this was a really big sort of sea change with regard to the topic.

是的。

Yeah.

而且她当时也被认为有些争议。

And she was also considered at some point controversial.

对吧？

Right?

是因为她对与艾滋病相关的性话题如此坦率吗？

Because she was being so frank about sexuality with regard to this?

是的。

Yeah.

她只是开启了关于性话题的讨论，倡导分发避孕套之类的东西，并加强安全性行为的教育，而这本身就意味着要向年轻人普及安全性行为知识。

Well, she was just, like, opening up discussions, and she was advocating for the distribution of, like, condoms and things like that and increased education for safe sex, which then and of itself obviously, means, like, educating younger people about safe sex.

但当时这部分做法也引发了一些批评，尤其是保守派人士反对，因为他们对性话题持更保守的态度，更倾向于提倡禁欲，而不是承认年轻人确实会在外面发生性行为，最好的做法是提高他们对使用保护措施必要性的认识？

But then some of that drew criticism at the time, especially from conservatives who were, like, pushing back due to having more conservative, like, orientation towards sexual stuff and wanting to to promote, like, abstinence instead of, you know, realizing that that younger people, especially, were out there having sex, and the best thing to do was to try to increase awareness of needing to use protection if you're going to?

是的。

Yeah.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

为了澄清一下，我并不是说她有争议，只是当时有些人认为她因为公开谈论性话题而具有争议性，而你确实需要这样做，才能帮助人们保护自己。

And just to be clear, that wasn't my my opinion that she was controversial, just that some people considered her controversial at the time simply for talking about the topic of sexuality very openly, which you absolutely need to do, you know, in order to help people be safe.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我想

So I

我认为那是火星附近的月亮，你知道，第五宫的主宰星与白羊座的火星紧密相合。

think that's the moon Mars there, you know, The ruler of the fifth conjoin very closely conjoining Mars in Aries.

是的。

Yeah.

月亮与火星相合。

The moon is conjunct Mars.

后来，由于各方的强烈反对，她最终被解雇了，大概一年或两年后。

And then eventually, it was like they due to the all of the pushback, they ended up she ended up having to be, like, fired eventually, like, a year or two later.

但尽管她的任期只有一年多一点，她作为首位被称为‘艾滋病沙皇’的角色，仍是联邦政府应对这一疫情的重要进步。

But despite only having a tenure of of over, like, a year or something like that, her role as the first, what they called like, AIDS czar was a significant step forward in terms of the federal government's response to the epidemic.

因此，这在控制疫情方面是一个非常重要的转折点，尤其是在当时的情况下。

So it was a really important turning point in terms of that, in terms of getting that more under control, especially than it was at that point.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

是的。

Yeah.

这个星盘找得真不错。

This is this is a really good chart find.

这是来自astro.com的。

This is one from astro.com.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

我在研究时找到了这个，当时我在通过 Astro Data Bank 查找那些在性与性取向等领域做出重要贡献的人的星盘。

I found this when researching I found her chart when researching through Astro Data Bank for different people that had done important work related to sex and sexuality and and different things like that.

她的星盘是我找到的最突出的例子之一，我特别喜欢，因为她的木星在第五宫被提升。

And hers was one of the more prominent examples that I found that I I loved because of that exalted Jupiter in the fifth house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

确实如此。

Definitely.

好的。

Alright.

接下来，我们再看另一个关于性与性欲如何体现的例子。

So moving on, another example of how sex and sexuality can come up.

我在上一期提到过，性取向有时也会显现，因为第五宫不仅与愉悦有关，也涉及探索什么对你来说是愉悦的。

And one of the things I mentioned in the last episode was how sexual orientation can sometimes come up to the extent that the fifth house can have to do with pleasure, but also the exploration of, like, what is pleasurable to you.

在这个过程中，当然可能会涉及到性取向等问题。

And sometimes in that process, of course, that can lead to sexual orientation and things like that.

我举的一个例子是演员内森·莱恩，他之所以特别，是因为他是一位著名演员——他的第五宫配置主要体现为他不仅在电影中，更在戏剧舞台上是一位杰出的表演者。

So one of my examples of that was the actor Nathan Lane and who what was significant about Nathan Lane is that he was a famous actor, which is really the majority of his placement his fifth house placements is that he's a famous actor, not just in movies, but on the stage and performer.

但当1996年的电影《鸟笼》上映时，很多人对他性取向的猜测很多，纷纷议论他是否是同性恋。

But when the 1996 movie, The Birdcage came out, there was a lot of speculation about his, like, sexual orientation and whether he was gay.

但很长一段时间里，他都没有确认这一点。

But for a long time, he didn't confirm that.

但最终，我想是在1999年，他公开出柜，确认了自己的性取向，表明自己是一名同性恋者。

But then eventually, I think it was in 1999, he did con come out and he did confirm his sexual orientation and that he was he was a gay man.

对他而言，这是一件重大的事情，尤其是在上世纪九十年代，那时社会对同性恋仍存在更多污名，甚至可能带来严重的负面后果。

So for him, that was like a major thing and a major step, especially in that time frame in the nineteen nineties where there was still a lot more stigma or a lot more possible negative repercussions that could come with that sometimes.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

就像我们在第五宫含义那一集里讨论的那样，你并不能直接从星盘判断一个人的性取向，但你可以看出，对这个特定的人来说，这个领域是否因为某种原因比对其他人更重要？

And just like we talked about in the significations of the fifth house episode, you know, it's not it's not the case that you can tell sexual orientation per se from the chart, but you can see, you know, is this is this area a big deal for for whatever reason for this particular person more than the next person?

所以，他的第五宫配置中，表演确实是主要部分，但更重要的是，在那个时代公开出柜成为同性恋，对他而言是一个显著的举动。

And so, yeah, a lot of the fifth house placement there is his acting, but was also that it was like a notable step for him to take at that time to come out publicly as gay.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

让我为视频观众分享一下这张星盘。

So let me share the chart for the video viewers.

我们来看一张巨蟹座上升的星盘，月亮位于天蝎座，落在第五整宫。

So we're looking at a chart with Cancer rising, and the moon is in Scorpio in the fifth whole sign house.

他还拥有金星，金星位于双鱼座20度，正好在中天位置，处于第九整宫，处于尊贵状态，嗯。

So he also has Venus Venus, like, exalted, like, right on the degree of the midheaven at 20 degrees of Pisces in the ninth whole sign house Mhmm.

而月亮正移向与金星形成三分相，这在很大程度上预示着他表演的成功以及其他方面的顺利。

Which the moon is moving into a a trine with, which is really cool and really nice in terms of that and the success of of his performances and everything else.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

我喜欢这一点。

I like that.

让我看看我有没有记过时间点。

So let me see if I had a timing thing.

他在1999年2月登上了《倡导者》杂志。

So he came out in The Advocate magazine in February 1999.

我觉得这个时间点有点意思，但我可能没写下来。

I thought there was some interesting timing, but I may not have written that down.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

那是其中一部分。

That was part of it.

他有天蝎座的月亮，所以一方面，他早在几年前就已经向一些私交的人出柜了。

It's like he has the moon in Scorpio, and so it's like he was on on the one hand, like, had come out to some people in his private life years earlier Mhmm.

包括他的母亲，他曾说，当他21岁时告诉母亲自己是同性恋，母亲回应说：我宁愿你死了。

Including his mother where he said that when he told his mother at age 21 that he was gay, she said, I'd rather you were dead.

而他回答说：我知道你会理解的。

And he replied, I knew you'd understand.

以他那种经典、著名、充满喜剧感的语气，但他确实有月亮落在天蝎座第五宫。

In his, like, classic, like, famously, like, comedic voice, but he has that moon in Scorpio in the fifth house.

我当时觉得，这可能是他维基百科传记中的一部分——他曾经试图向母亲出柜，但母亲完全无法接受。

And I thought that was part of his, like, Wikipedia biography that one of the people in his life that he was closely attempted to come out to as his mother, but that that she was just, like, not receptive at all.

那么，有趣的是，你可以理解为什么他在1996年那部电影之后，对出柜会更加犹豫。

And what's interesting then and you can kind of understand then why he might have more trepidation about coming out after that film in 1996.

但最终促使他在1999年公开出柜的部分原因，是马修·谢巴德被杀事件——这位同性恋男子因自己的性取向而遭到极其残忍和暴力的杀害。

But then part of the motivation eventually for why he came out publicly in 1999 is that it was after the killing of Matthew Shepard, who was a gay man that was famously killed for being gay in this incredibly brutal and, like, violent way.

因此，这成为了内森·莱恩最终决定出柜的动因之一。

And so that became part of Nathan Lane's, like, motivation then for finally coming out when he did.

对。

Right.

这一点你可以明显感受到，不仅因为第五宫的主宰星位置，还因为冥王星位于天蝎座，这本身就带有一种沉重而深刻的情感基调。

Which you can really see the tenor of with the placement being not just the senate ruler in the fifth, but that being the moon in Scorpio, which has, you know, some kind of like weighty emotional, you know, tenor to it.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

当然。

Absolutely.

所以我提到这一点，是因为它可能涉及性与性取向这类话题。

So I wanted to bring that up just because that can be a topic that can come up in terms of, like, sex and sexuality.

它可能关乎性取向，也可能关乎他人对你的性取向或性身份的反应，或者人生不同阶段对这些问题的态度变化，这些变化有时由外部事件、星盘相位或其他因素所驱动。

It can be things related to orientation, can be things related to how other people in a person's life react to your orientation or your sexuality, or sometimes different stages in your life with respect to that or different eras that can be motivated by either events that happen or different transits or what have you.

在人生的不同阶段，随着你经历的星盘相位变化、宫位被激活或其他因素影响，这些方面也可能随之改变。

That that can be something that changes at different points in the life based on what transits you're having or what parts of the chart are being activated or what have you.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

这在占星学中并不只是其他任何事物，它不是静态的。

It's not just like anything else in astrology, it's not a static thing.

在你生命的不同阶段，可能会有各种时机使其更强烈地显现，或暂时变得平静。

There can be all sorts of timing that activate activates it more strongly at different points in your life or makes it quieter for a while.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

好吧。

Alright.

那我们继续下一个，类似的主题。

So let's move on to the next one in a similar vein.

这是伊芙·科索夫斯基·塞奇威克的出生星盘，她出生时巨蟹座上升，月亮位于天蝎座，在第五整宫。

So here's the birth chart of Eve Kosovsky Sedgwick, who was born with Cancer rising and the moon in Scorpio in the fifth whole sign house.

因此，这与纳森·莱恩的例子形成了很好的对照，但对于伊芙来说，她拥有一个非常美好的金星与木星共存——在日盘中，它们位于第九整宫的双鱼座，形成星座合相，这带来了更强的学术倾向。

So it provides a nice parallel to the example with Nathan Lane, except for her, for for Eve, she has this really lovely Venus Jupiter co presence, like sign based conjunction in the ninth whole sign house in Pisces in a day chart, which brings this more academic focus.

维基百科的传记称，她是一位美国女性主义学术学者，研究领域包括性别研究、酷儿理论和批判理论，她的开创性工作挑战了关于性、性别和身份的传统观念，对人文学科和社会科学产生了深远影响。

And the bio from Wikipedia says that she was an American feminist academic scholar in the fields of gender studies, queer theory, and critical theory, and that her groundbreaking work challenged conventional understandings of sexuality, gender, and identity, leaving a lasting impact on the humanities and social sciences.

所以，这基本上是一位学者的星盘，他撰写了很多著作，做了大量重要的学术工作，尤其是在性与性取向、酷儿理论、性别研究以及相关领域。

So this is the chart basically of an academic who wrote a lot of and did a lot of major academic work, especially in the area of of sex and sexuality and queer theory and gender studies and other things that are adjacent to that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

她的著作帮助创立了酷儿研究领域，并出版了数本被公认为酷儿理论领域开创性的重要著作。

Her writing helped create the field of queer studies, and she published published several books considered groundbreaking in the field of queer theory.

除了书籍之外，她发表的另一些作品也更为人所知，其中有一篇论文我正想找出它的标题。

Though one of the things she published that she was more well known for in addition to her books, there was a particular article I'm trying to find the title.

那篇文章叫《简·奥斯汀与自慰的少女》，考虑到上升星座的守护星位于第五宫，我看到这个标题就忍不住笑出声。

It's called Jane Austen and the Masturbating Girl, which I just cracked up at given the Ascendant ruler in the fifth house.

她于1991年发表了这篇文章，当时引发了广泛争论，因为人们对此反应两极——自由派和保守派的看法截然不同。

It was she published it in 1991, and it was popularly debated because, of course, you know, sort of more liberal and more conservative reactions to that.

有些人根本无法接受简·奥斯汀的作品与性有关，这让我既觉得好笑，也促使我去查阅了简·奥斯汀的星盘，发现她确实有火星与冥王星在第五宫的合相。

Some people were like, just couldn't accept that Jane Austen had anything to do with sexuality, which made me laugh and also made me go look at Jane Austen's chart, and she has a Mars Pluto conjunction in the fifth house.

所以我认为，这篇文章很可能非常值得阅读。

So I think it's, you know, it may well be a very relevant read.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

其他引述中，塞奇威克认为，如果对现代西方文化的任何方面缺乏对现代同性/异性恋定义的批判性分析，那么这种理解就是不完整的。因为她所做的很大一部分工作，正如你所说，是回溯并分析传统文学中关于同性恋的种种张力，指出许多被忽视的主题，这些主题在很大程度上能够改变对文本的解读。

So other quotes were Sedgwick argued that an understanding of virtually any aspect of modern Western culture would be incomplete if it failed to incorporate a critical analysis of modern homo slash heterosexual definition because a lot of which or part of what she was doing was going back, like you said, in analyzing and making inferences about some of the these tensions about homosexuality in traditional, like, literature and thing and things like that and arguing that there were often themes that were overlooked that could, in a significant way, like alter the interpretation of a text.

对。

Right.

或者说是那些隐晦的主题，如果你知道该往哪里看，如果你在刻意寻找，就能发现这些主题——因为在几百年前写这些作品时，人们无法那么直白地表达。

Or that there were like veiled themes that if you knew where to look for them, if you were were looking for them, you could see that were perhaps not able to be as explicit when those things were written, you know, a few 100 years ago.

对。

Right.

而且，很多这些观点还与她命盘中火星和土星在第三宫的合相有关，而火星又掌管第五宫。

So and a lot of this is I don't know if you'd already mentioned this, but a lot of this is also tied up in that she had like a Mars Saturn conjunction in the third house of communication, and that Mars is ruling the fifth house.

因此，掌管第五宫（性与性欲）的火星位于第三宫（沟通），她所写的这些批判性分析，不仅涉及文学，也延伸到其他领域。

So the ruler of the fifth house of, let's say, sex and sexuality is in the third house of communication, and she's writing these critical, like, analyses of things related to that, not just in literature, but in other areas as well.

她的一本著名著作是1990年出版的《 Closet 的认识论》，这本书探讨了人类性欲的构成。

Like one of her notable books was The Epistemology of the Closet in 1990, where the book tackled the question of what makes up human sexuality.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我想我们可能会在下一期关于宫位的节目中谈到这个星盘，它让我想起另一个第五宫和第三宫主宰者相似的例子，即以学术方式探讨性议题。

And I think we'll we'll maybe get to this chart in the houses episode next, but it reminds me of a similar ruler of the fifth and the third in terms of writing about, you know, sexuality in a more academic fashion.

阿德里安·里奇的《强制性异性恋》也是第五宫和第三宫主宰者的典型，这是一篇在大学里研习相关主题时人人都会读到的里程碑式论文。

Adrian Rich's compulsory hetero heterosexuality, also at the ruler of the fifth and the third, which was like a really like landmark, you know, essay that everyone reads in those topics in university.

对。

Yeah.

另一个第五宫和第三宫主宰者的例子是休·海夫纳，他创办了《花花公子》杂志。

Or another example of the ruler of the fifth and the third was like Hugh Hefner who created Playboy and Playboy magazine.

所以，这种模式有不同的表现形式，但当某些宫位之间存在联系时，看到它们的原型相似性确实很有趣。

So it's like there's different versions of that that can come up, but it's interesting seeing the archetypal similarity when there's connections between certain houses.

或者在这个例子中，我们有一个人，其上升宫的守护星落在第五宫，但他们并不是像威尔特·张伯伦那样，或者有28个孩子之类的人。

Or in this instance, it's like we have somebody that has the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house, but they are not, you know, not Wilt Chamberlain or not somebody who's having, like, 28 children or something like that.

相反，她专注于写作，尤其是围绕性与性取向这一领域及其相关领域的学术研究。

But instead, she's focused on writing, especially academic scholarship that's focused on this area and and adjacent areas of sexuality and sexual orientation.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

很好的例子。

Great example.

所以，有时候上升宫的守护星代表一个人感兴趣或以某种方式集中注意力的事物？

So sometimes the ruler of the Ascendant is the things that a person finds interesting or focuses their attention towards in some way?

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

是的

Yeah.

好的

Alright.

所以接下来我们看另一个相关的例子，我找到的是芭芭拉·威尔逊的出生图。

So moving on to the next example, an adjacent example that I found is the birth chart of Barbara Wilson.

这是个双子座上升、水星位于天秤座第五宫整宫，同时与海王星、金星和太阳同在的星盘。

This is the birth chart with Gemini rising and Mercury in Libra in the fifth whole sign house along with Neptune, Venus, and the sun.

这不仅仅是上升宫主星，而是一个第五宫内多重行星聚集的典型例子。

So this is not just a ruler of the Ascendant, but it's a whole stellium example of planets in the fifth house.

你想来解读这个吗？

And do you wanna take this one?

当然。

Sure.

是的

Yeah.

她是最早出版短篇小说、小说，尤其是以公开的女同性恋主角为主角的侦探小说的作家之一。

So she was one of the first authors to publish short stories, novels, and particularly mystery novels that featured openly lesbian protagonists.

所以，这在一定程度上是第五宫所代表的文学创作方面的体现，但同时也具有非常明确的性取向焦点，因为当时在大多数文学作品中，这根本不是一种现象。

So it was, you know, partly the literature aspect that was coming out in terms of creative output with the fifth house, but a very specific sexuality focus as well because that was at a time when that was definitely not a thing that was happening in most of literature.

对。

Right.

这真的很有趣，因为那是侦探小说和谋杀悬疑故事，但关键在于主角是一位女同性恋者，而在此之前，这种设定几乎从未出现过。

So it's really interesting because it was like mystery novels and murder mysteries and things like that, but it was just that it had a lead character that was a lesbian and that this is something that wasn't really done up until this point.

她不仅在自己的小说中这样做了，还通过创办一家类似类型的出版社，帮助出版了其他具有相似主题或开放态度的作品，对吗？

And she did that both for her own novels, but also helped to publish other works by setting up a press of a similar genre and that had a similar like focus or like openness?

是的。

Yeah.

她于1976年共同创立了Seal Press出版社。

She was a cofounder of Seal Press in 1976.

她帮助出版了其他同样通过写作将女性主义和女同性恋声音带入社会的人。

And so she helped publish other people who were also bringing like feminist and lesbian voices to to society through writing.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我在研究中发现了这个例子，我觉得这太棒了，再次呼应了相似的主题。

So I found that example in research, and I thought it was amazing just again, just echoing similar themes.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

在那之前，还有一些美国作家在五十年代和六十年代的通俗小说时期写过关于女同性恋关系的作品。

And there were other authors, American authors, who wrote about lesbian relationships before that, more in like the pulp fiction era of like fifties and sixties.

但她更明确地表达了这一点，并且面向的是更主流的读者群体。

But she was kind of doing it more like explicitly and for more of like a mainstream audience.

是的。

Yeah.

另一个类似的人物其实也可以简单提一下，就是威廉·S·巴勒斯，他也写过一些关于什么的内容？

And another one that's similar actually that could just be mentioned in passing here was William s Burroughs who also had he had what did he had?

有水瓶座上升，土星位于第五宫全相位的双子座。

Had, like, Aquarius rising and Saturn in Gemini in the fifth whole sign house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我正在找他的星盘。

I'm trying to find his chart.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为是水瓶座在第一宫形成群聚，由第五宫的土星主宰。

It was I believe it was an Aquarius stellium in the first house ruled by that Saturn in the fifth.

所以土星在第五宫，主导了他星盘中大量位于第一宫的自我与身份部分。

So Saturn in the fifth ruled like a ton of his chart in the first house of self and identity.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这就是他的星盘。

So it's like here's the chart.

它有水瓶座上升，土星位于第五宫的双子座，与IC度数相合，同时月球、幸运点和冥王星也位于第五宫。

It has Aquarius rising, and Saturn is in Gemini in the fifth whole sign house conjunct the degree of the IC, but it's also co present with the moon and the lot of fortune and Pluto in the fifth house.

但第五宫的守护星水星位于第一宫的水瓶座，与土星形成互容关系。

But then the ruler of the fifth house is Mercury, which is like placed in Aquarius in the first house in a mutual reception with Saturn.

使用整宫制，第一宫水瓶座的其他行星包括木星、天王星、金星、太阳、水星和上升点。

And the other first first house Aquarius planets using whole sign houses are, like, Jupiter, Uranus, Venus, the sun, Mercury, and the Ascendant.

所以，你知道，有很多不同的因素，因为他是一位著名的作家，尤其与垮掉的一代密切相关。

So, you know, there's a lot of different things because he was a famous writer and creative, especially with the beat generation.

他和艾伦·金斯堡以及其他垮掉派诗人是一起的。

Like, was one of the people with, like, Allen Ginsberg and the other beat poets.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以，我们最初主要从创作的角度来讨论他。

So originally, we're gonna talk about him primarily just in the context of, like, the creative section.

但有趣的是，他在上世纪五十年代和六十年代就公开谈论性、性取向和同性恋，甚至曾出版过一本名为《怪异》的著名书籍。

But one of the things that was interesting is that he was a gay man or at least wrote about as early or talked about as early as the nineteen fifties and sixties, like things related to sex and sexuality and homosexuality and at one point pinned, like, a famous book titled Queer.

这本书讲述了一个同性恋男子，他渴望并钟情于另一个男人，但这份感情却是单方面的。

And it was about a figure who is like a gay man that has a longing and, like, an interest in another man that was, like, unrequited.

他主要是在二十世纪五十年代或六十年代写完了这本书，但当时并没有出版。

And he, like, wrote most of the book in, like, the nineteen fifties or sixties, but then didn't release it.

后来他重新拾起这部作品，完成并最终于1985年出版。

And then he came back to it and published it and finished it and published it in 1985.

所以我只是想提一下，因为刚才我们讨论上一个例子时，让我想到他，两者形成了一种平行：一方面是一位早期作家，塑造了女同性恋主角；

So I just wanted to mention that because as we were talking about the last example, it made me think of him in just a parallel where on the one hand you have one early writer who's featuring like a lesbian protagonist.

另一方面则是二十世纪另一位著名作家，塑造了男同性恋主角。

And then on the other hand you have another famous writer of the twentieth century who's featuring like a gay male protagonist.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

他这么早就开始这样做了。

And he was doing that so early.

我的意思是，即使在他写作的时候，公开探讨这些主题也已经算是很早了。

I mean, even if he did you know, certainly when he was writing it, it was quite early in terms of openly writing those themes.

但即使是在1985年出版，从主流接受度来看，也仍然算是比较早的。

But even, you know, publishing in '85, it's still kind of early in terms of mainstream acceptance anyway.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

而且我想起，1985年那会儿金星正在白羊座逆行，而我们之前提到的1993年沙皇时期，金星也同样在白羊座逆行，有时候这些是有关联的。

Well, and I think about it also that's like '85 was Venus retrograde in Aries, and 1993 when we were talking about earlier the czar that set up at that time was Venus retrograde in Aries, and sometimes that ties in.

今年早些时候，我在和艾莉·希金斯讨论金星逆行与酷儿历史的那期节目中，多次谈到这一点：今年再次出现的这次逆行，恰逢许多与之相关的糟糕事件发生，但这种逆行似乎总在一些关键年份中反复出现。

It was something that I talked about a lot with Ellie Higgins in the episode about Venus retrograde in queer history earlier this year, how this particular retrograde that happened again this year when so much terrible stuff is happening related to that, but that it ties through sometimes a number of really crucial years.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我们在研究这些激活时不断发现它们。

You kept finding them as we were activations of that as we were researching.

是的。

Yeah.

你当时好像有点累了，有点

You were like getting a little tired at a at a

某个时候，我也是这么想的。

certain I was like, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这是另一个。

It's another one.

是的。

Yeah.

我知道。

I know.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Alright.

好吧。

Okay.

所以这些是我们的一些作家。

So those are some of our writers.

我找到的另一个例子是，上升宫的主宰星位于第五宫，这会带来一种不同的基调，但仍然与性欲和性相关，比如《阁楼》杂志的创始人拉里·弗林特的出生星盘。

Another example that I found of the ruler of the Ascendant in the fifth house to give a different sort of tenor, but still sex sex and sexuality related is the birth chart of Larry Flynt, who is the founder of penthouse magazine.

一个投机者。

A hustler.

或者骗子。

Or hustler.

是骗子吗？

Was it hustler?

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

抱歉。

Sorry.

真的很抱歉。

I'm so sorry.

我让你从你的

I I deferred you from your

关于色情杂志的知识，丽莎。

knowledge of pornographic magazines, Lisa.

不是事先就有的知识。

Not preexisting knowledge.

不过我把它写下来了。

I wrote it down, though.

好的。

Alright.

我不评判，我真的不评判。

I don't I don't judge.

我没有任何偏见。

I have no judgment.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

他是《Hustler》杂志的创始人，这本杂志不仅仅是性主题刊物，实际上以内容极为露骨著称，有时甚至包含令人不安的图片。

He was the founder of the magazine Hustler, which was not just a sexuality magazine, but it was actually known as one of the more explicit ones, including sometimes disturbing images.

但他有着非常强烈的性主题，因为他的上升星落在第五宫。

But it was a very, you know, strong sexuality focus with his ascendant ruler in the fifth house.

是的。

Yeah.

所以拉里·弗林特是双子座上升，水星是上升星座的守护星，位于天秤座的第五宫整宫，与海王星同在该星座内，且更早出现。

So Larry Flynt had Gemini rising, and Mercury is the ruler of the Ascendant, and it's in Libra in the fifth whole sign house, co present with Neptune earlier in the sign.

所以拉里·弗林特，让我找找我的笔记，是的。

So Larry Flynt let me find my notes Yeah.

真的吗？

Really

我其实记下了这些，或者你还有其他的吗？

I actually wrote down these, or I don't know if you have other ones.

尽管他主要以《好色客》杂志闻名，但他还制作了色情视频和电视频道。

He also produced pornographic videos and TV channels even though he was mostly known for Hustler.

2003年，《Arena》杂志将他列为‘色情业50位最具影响力人物’排行榜第一名。

And in 2003, Arena Magazine listed him as number one on the 50 most powerful people in porn list.

是的。

Yeah.

我读了他的传记，发现他最初似乎是经营脱衣舞俱乐部，一共经营了八家不同的脱衣舞俱乐部。

And I was reading about his biography, and he got started, like, running strip clubs apparently, and he ran eight different strip clubs.

后来，他为这些俱乐部创办了一份通讯刊物，结果意外大受欢迎，最终借此发展成了杂志。

And then eventually, like, started a newsletter related to the strip clubs that became, like, wild like, popular, and that's how he ended up parlaying that eventually into doing a magazine.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但有趣的是，他和我们将在下一期讨论的休·海夫纳的星盘形成了鲜明对比——海夫纳的上升宫主星位于第三宫，嗯。

But it's, like, it's interesting his the contrast with Hugh Hefner's chart that we'll look at, I guess, in the next episode because it's, like, Theo Hefner with the ruler well, had the ruler of the Ascendant in the third house, and Mhmm.

拉里·弗林特的上升宫主星则在第五宫。

Larry flint Larry flint had it in the fifth house.

而且这就像，嗯。

And it's like Mhmm.

人们总是有一种印象或区别：《花花公子》更偏向高雅，刊登散文，试图融入文化，甚至在某些作品中具有真正的文学价值；而到了上世纪七十年代、八十年代和九十年代，它的内容也相对不那么露骨；相比之下，《好色客》在性内容和其他展示方面则更加直白露骨。

There's always this, like, perception or distinction that, like, Playboy was more, like, high brow, and it had essays and, like, written it tried to be part of the culture and have, like, actual, like, literary merit in some instances as well as, at least by, let let's say, like, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties time frame, like, less explicit content in terms of what it showed, whereas Hustler was much more explicitly graphic in terms of, like, the sexual content and the other things that it that it displayed.

是的。

Yeah.

我读拉里·弗林特生平时，看到说他不断遇到问题，那些人我不知道是资助《好色客》的，还是只是帮忙制作的人，总是试图说：‘不行。’

When I was reading up about Larry Flynn's life, it said something like that he kinda constantly ran into issues with people who were I don't know if they were helping fund the hustler or just anyone who was helping produce it, like, kept trying to be like, no.

每次都不能出版这一期，因为内容太露骨了。

We can't we can't publish this one, you know, each time because there was too much explicitness going on.

上世纪九十年代确实拍了一部关于他的电影，由考特妮·洛芙主演，叫《人民诉拉里·弗林特》。

There was actually a movie they made about that in the nineties that Courtney Love starring called The People versus Larry Flynt.

我觉得这部电影主要聚焦于他在法庭上涉及的诸多言论自由案件。

And I think it centered on a lot of the free speech cases that he ended up doing in dealing with in court or something like that.

我们没看过那部电影。

I didn't we didn't watch that.

我们本可以提前看这部片子来为这次讨论做准备。

We could have watched that in preparation for this.

我会把这部电影列入我们的观影清单。

I'll put that on our list of, like, movies.

我从来没看过。

I've never actually seen it.

我只是知道一些零零碎碎的片段。

I just know, like, bits and pieces.

是的。

Yeah.

我也没看过。

I haven't seen it either.

不过，我在查阅他的资料时，看到一些评论说，这部电影更多聚焦于法庭挑战和言论自由的争论，却淡化了他一些不太光彩的方面。

Although, when I was reading up on him, there was some commentary that the movie focused more on the court challenge, of course, and the free speech argument, but kinda downplayed some of the, you know, some of the more not so great things.

对。

Yeah.

或者说是某种程度上美化了他的形象，是的。

Or, like, whitewashed his image to a certain extent where that Yeah.

还有很多更具问题性和可疑的事情没有被提及。

There was a lot more problematic and sketchy stuff as well that wasn't included.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Alright.

这是一个很好的例子，说明了性与性欲如何以非常直接的方式出现，或者被提升到更高的层面。

So that is a great example of that, of how sex and sexuality can come up in a very literal fashion or or where it can be elevated.

不仅仅是出现，而是被提升到让上升星座的主宰者成为一个人人生使命的一部分，有时确实如此。

Not just like come up, but like elevated to having the ruler of the Ascendant there and that literally becoming like part of the person's life's work in some instances.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

接下来我们看下一个例子。

So moving on to the next example.

我通过Astra数据银行做研究时发现的一个例子，关于某些星盘配置，当然，挑战在于寻找有确切时间的星盘，因为我们有很多名人缺乏准确的出生时间，而我们又很想了解他们的星盘位置。

One of the ones I found through through Astra Data Bank and doing research for different placements of like know, one of the things, of course, that's challenging is looking for, like, timed charts because there's tons of celebrities that we don't have time charts for that we'd like to know what their placement's for, but we don't.

但这是名叫玛丽·劳伦特的女性的出生星盘。

But this is the birth chart of a woman named Mary Laurent.

根据我读到的一些描述，她是一位著名的交际花，是19世纪末几位巴黎艺术家的情人和缪斯。

And according to some of the descriptions I was reading, she was a, quote, a celebrated courtesan who was the mistress and muse of several several Parisian artists in the late nineteenth century.

所以她显然与这些艺术家关系密切，我应该说，这是她的星盘。

So she was very tied in with evidently and this is her chart, I should say, the chart.

她有天蝎座上升，火星位于双鱼座的第五宫，与南交点和海王星同宫，大概是海王星。

She had Scorpio rising and Mars in Pisces in the fifth whole sign house along with the south node, the and Neptune, probably Neptune.

而且

And

她的第五宫主星是木星，位于第十宫的狮子座，与月亮和幸运点同在。

the ruler of her fifth house is, like, Jupiter, which is placed in Leo in the tenth house along with the moon and the lot of fortune.

是的。

Yeah.

她这个例子中最主要的是，她成为了当时巴黎多位著名艺术家和名人的情人。

The the the the the primary thing about her example was that she became the mistress of a number of famous artists and people in Paris at the time.

包括，据记载，弗朗西斯·科皮、斯特凡·马拉美、安东尼·普鲁斯特，以及爱德华·马奈。

So including, it says, Francis Coppi, Stephane Mallarme, Antoine Proust, as well as Edward Manet.

而马奈不仅把她当作情人，还把她当作模特，她出现在他许多著名画作中。

And that Manet, it was not just his mistress, but also a model and appears in a lot of his famous, like, pieces of art.

对。

Right.

有趣的是，因为她很可能将天底落在第五宫，她还在巴黎开设了一家真正的沙龙。

So one of the things that's interesting, because she probably has the IC in the fifth house as well, is she set up an actual, like, saloon in salon in Paris.

这个沙龙成为了当时艺术与文学先锋派的活跃中心，吸引了一群杰出的常客，包括所有这些著名的画家和其他类似人物。

And the this salon became, like, this vibrant hub for the artistic and literary avant garde at the time and attracted this whole distinguished, like, group of different regulars evidently, including all of these famous, like, painters and other people like that.