整宫制中IC的度数

我在生活的方方面面，包括我的占星技术中，都非常倾向于一种隐秘的第三种立场。

I'm very much a secret third thing coded person in basically every every aspect of my life, including my astrological techniques.

实际上，我的出生星盘——今天我们不分享——就体现了这个问题，因为我的儿子正好与我的上升点和下降点成刑相，但我的中天却位于该星座的另一端。

And, actually, my natal chart, which we're not gonna share today, but it it is this problem because my son is actually square, my ascendant, descendant, but my mid actual midheaven is in the far other side of the sign.

所以在象限宫位系统中，我明确是第九宫的儿子，但任何了解我的人都知道，我的处女座太阳与第十宫有着强烈的关联。

So in quadrant house systems, I'm firmly a ninth house son, but anyone who knows me, like, there there's very there's tenth house equalities to my Virgo sun.

完全正确。

Like, absolutely.

而这个与上升点和下降点的刑相，正是这种情况的完美体现。

And and that square to the ascendant descendant is is this is this exactly.

这其中包含着太多复杂的内容。

It has there's so much there's so much going on with it.

我认为，与四角（上升、下降、中天、天底）形成的刑相——如果我们从南北轴线来看——本质上是同一类现象。

And I think squares to the angles squares to the Midheaven IC, of course, are are that same thing if we take it from the north south axis.

当然，如果有人想更深入了解天文学，我强烈推荐去YouTube上搜索关于天球的天文学讲座，那里会解释子午线、天赤道等所有相关内容。

And, of course, for for anyone who wants to understand more of the astronomy, I highly recommend going on YouTube and looking up astronomy lectures on the celestial sphere, and that will explain this meridian, the celestial equator stuff, all this stuff.

当然，这也会因你位于北半球还是南半球而有所不同，但中天和天底始终是南北方向的标志，无论你在北半球还是南半球，它们只是看起来不同而已。

And, of course, this changes whether you're in the northern and southern hemisphere as well, but the midheaven IC is always that northern southern thing no like, whether you're in the Northern or southern hemisphere, it just changes what it looks like.

我认为，能够理解角度之间的四分相，将其视为与角度本身一样活跃的点，这一点非常关键。

And I think there's something really potent about being able to understand squares to the angles as just as active points as as angles themselves.

当然，与中天和天底成四分相的是顶点和对顶点，虽然在我的实践中我很少使用这个框架，但我认为，当人们在观察行运或使用其他时间技术激活黄道时，四分相与中天和天底的关系是一种被严重忽视的经典功能。

And, of course, this is square to the midheaven IC is the vertex anti vertex, which I don't work a lot in that frame in my practice, but squares to the midheaven IC are a very classically slept on slept on function, I think, when people are looking at their transits and and their perfections in any other timing technique that activates that activates the the zodiac, basically.

所以我认为，我们在这里所做的事情，确实很好地揭示了这些技术是如何真正发挥作用的。

So I think that doing doing what we're doing here, yeah, it really brings out how those techniques really do function.

实际上，当你与人交谈、处理他人生活时，这几乎总是那个隐藏的第三种因素，我非常珍视这一点。

Like, it's it's almost always the secret third thing when you're actually talking to people and working with people's lives, and I really value that.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

要适应这一点需要一个学习过程，学会习惯并舒适地处理这种模糊性。

And that takes some there's a learning curve to get, like, used to that and get getting used to being able to comfortable working with that sort of ambiguity sometimes.

但一旦你做到了，真正掌握了它，就能让所有的复杂性和细微差别显现出来，你会开始看到灰色地带、中间状态以及类似的东西。

But once you do and once you truly unlock it, it just allows for all of this this complexity and this nuance to come out, and you start seeing the shades of gray and the in betweens and things like that.

它为星盘解读创造了更加丰富的背景。

And and it just creates such a richer backdrop for doing chart delineations.

最后我想提一件事——哦，你先说。

So one last thing I'll mention oh, go ahead.

我想对不太熟悉我工作的人说一下，我的教育背景同时涵盖了传统希腊占星的复兴，以及更心理学和原型学的脉络。

Oh, I was just gonna say for people who aren't more familiar with my work, it's like I do I I sort of have this simultaneous education in, like, traditional Hellenistic revival as well as more psychological and archetypal lineages as well.

所以，即使你和我交谈时，我会基于整宫制来进行所有星盘解读。

And so even though when when you're talking to me, I basically base all my delineations on Whole Sign Houses.

但在实际咨询时，我通常会看普拉西杜斯宫位图，因为我喜欢看到真实的角点，因为我认为它们代表了真实的天空和地平线。

I'm usually actually looking at a Placidus chart when I'm looking at a chart in a consultation session because I love seeing the angles as they are because I understand it to be, like, representative representative of the actual sky and the horizon.

对吧？

Right?

但我正在运用。

But I'm working.

我正在融合这些对整宫制、宫位与角度的相位关系，以及对天顶和IC作为浮动重要点的理解。

I'm blending these these understandings of the whole sign houses of the squares to the angles of understanding the the midheaven and IC as these floating important points.

我觉得这当中有一种……我不知道怎么说。

And I think that there's I don't know.

这种思考方式本身就非常富有创造性。

There's just a very generative generative way to think about that.

这非常具有水星和木星的特质，而我确实就是这样的人。

It's very, you know, Mercurial, Jupiterian, which I definitely am.

但说实话，当谈到占星学时，这种做法简直令人着迷。

But it's it's, yeah, it's delicious, honestly, when it comes to astrology.

是的。

Yeah.

我实际上认为，这正是研究整宫制历史以及整宫制为何被弃用的难点之一，因为我认为中世纪和文艺复兴时期的许多占星师都和你一样，他们会用象限宫位制来排盘，但同时又自然而然地理解整宫制的位置，因为你只需要数宫位即可。

I actually think that's one of the ways it's one of the reasons that it's harder to to study the history of Whole Sign Houses and when Whole Sign Houses fell out of usage because I think a lot of the astrologers from the medieval and Renaissance periods were like you and that they would cast a quadrant chart to have the quadrant house positions, but, like, they would just obviously implicitly be able to understand what the whole sign positions were at the same time because you just count the signs.

所以当你回过头去看，发现某些作者的著作中没有整宫制图表时，人们就会说：‘咦，我们没看到整宫制。’

And so sometimes when you go back and look and and people are like, well, we don't see a whole sign chart in such and such author.

这是因为，这其实是一个非常简单而基础的概念。

It's because, like, it's such a simple and, like, basic concept.

但像你所说的，有时候更合理的做法是先排一个四分宫位图，然后在此基础上推断出次要的宫位。

But like you, sometimes it makes more sense to cast a quadrant chart and then just infer the secondary positions on top of that.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为从上升点开始数星座也是一种技能，尤其是初学者一定要养成这个习惯，因为一旦你掌握了这一点，就能轻松运用派生宫位。

I think counting signs from the ascendant is also a skill that especially beginner astrologers should definitely get in the habit of because it it once you do that, you can do derivative houses.

你可以非常轻松地在脑海中计算 Fortune 宫位等等。

You can do fortune houses, like, very easily just all in your head.

这正是我认为的一种初学者必备技巧。

And that's, like, that's one of the sort of pet pet beginner techniques that I think.

当你这么做时，无论你查看的是哪种星盘，你实际上都在使用整宫制。

And, basically, when you do that, you're you're using whole sign houses no matter what kind of chart you're looking at.

是的，我认为这完全正确，因为过去这本来就是常态。

And yeah, I think that's totally accurate in terms of this used to just be normal.

对。

Yeah.

嗯，有一个星盘案例里，莫利纳斯就是这么做的，他还专门提到了这点，能让你发现这种用法在占星传统里延续的时间比你预想的要久得多，直到17世纪都还有人在用。

Well, there's like one chart example where like Morinus does that and he talks about it and gives you a peak that sometimes like that approach persisted much longer into the tradition that's in like the seventeenth century than you you might expect.

我还有最后一点要补充。

So there was one last point.

关于这件事，还有最后一点要说。

One last point to make about that.

我原本想说明的是，我觉得我们现在讨论的这些内容，十年来一直在不断发展，始终都绕回到我所说的占星学的“水星特质”上——也就是说，从传统上来讲，占星学一直是由水星所代表的。

What I wanted to state was the I think part of what we're talking about here, always come back to and have been developing over the past ten years is what I call the the Mercurial nature of astrology, which is that, you know, astrology was always traditionally represented by Mercury.

其中一方面的原因是，占星学家扮演着诠释者和译者的角色，要转译天空中星辰传递的讯息。

And part of that is that astrologers are acting as interpreters and translators of the language of the stars in the sky.

但我还反复发现了一个非常现实的原因：我们在占星学里常常会遇到一些两难处境，针对某一项具体的技法，会出现两种看似完全对立的思路，仿佛只能二选一，有些占星学家会非常坚决地站边，非要选其中一种方法不可。

But also there's a very practical reason for that that I see come up over and over again in astrology, which is that we often run into these dilemmas in astrology that seem like dilemmas where we have two different majorly seemingly competing ways of doing some specific technical thing where you almost it seems like an either or situation, and astrologers sometimes come down really hard in picking one one approach or the other.

但很多时候我觉得，解决这个问题的答案其实就是回到原点，意识到占星学本身就是带有水星特质、以水星为核心的学问。

But so oftentimes, I think the answer to this is be is just going back to realizing that astrology is a Mercurial or Mercury based thing.

而说到水星，当你遇到这些情况时，从来都不是非此即彼，而是两者兼有。

And with Mercury, it's whenever you have those things, it's always, it's not necessarily either or, but it's both.

所以我们经常看到这种情况，比如回归制与恒星制、整宫制与 quadrant 宫位制，或者主要相位与次要相位等等。

And so we see that sometimes with, like, you know, tropical versus sidereal or whole sign versus quadrant houses or there can be, like, major aspects versus minor aspects or what have you.

这些看似对立的观念不断出现，让人疑惑：两种截然不同的观点怎么可能同时成立？

It just comes up over and over again these seemingly contrasting things where it's like how can two things be true at once.

人们并不习惯这样思考，因为这并非每个人的常规思维方式，但我认为这对占星师来说非常有价值且重要，因为这正是占星本质的内在属性。

And so people aren't used to thinking like that because it's not our normal way not everyone's normal way of thinking, but it's something I think that's really valuable and important for astrologers to get used to thinking because it is inherent to the very nature of astrology.

嗯。

Mhmm.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

我确实属于占星作为占卜的流派，认为占星师的角色是占卜者，而不仅仅是翻译。

I'm I'm definitely in the astrology as divination school and being an astrologer as being a as being a diviner and that that it's it's more than translation.

是的，这确实是翻译，但又不仅仅是翻译。

Like, yes, it is translation, but it's more than translation.

而且，每个译者都知道，翻译一件事有成千上万种方式。

And that so often, every translator knows that there's a million ways to translate something.

对吧？

Right?

当然，这取决于上下文。

And it it depends on, of course, the context.

当我们与客户工作时，这取决于他们的实际经历和他们正在处理的问题。

And when we're working with clients, it depends on on their lived experience and what they're working with.

这确实让我非常欣慰。

And this is this is, yeah, music to my ears for sure.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

好的。

Alright.

我们开始吧。

Let's jump into it.

我们来深入探讨一下。

Let's get into this.

是的。

Yeah.

我们要从第二套房开始，你打算从第二套房开始吗？

We're gonna we're gonna start you wanna start with the second house.

对吧？

Right?

嗯。

Mhmm.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我有没有提到我会稍后谈到这个？

Did I mention I'll get to that later.

但让我们先从第二宫开始。

But let's start with the second house.

对我来说，第二宫的含义包括金钱、财产、与个人生活相关的物质事物，比如财富以及其他类似的东西。

And so second house significations for me are things like like money, possessions, material things associated with the person's life, like wealth and other things like that.

你通常还会补充哪些第二宫的含义吗？

Are there any other second house significations you usually throw in?

是的。

Yeah.

我认为我对资源的理解比较宽泛，这当然包括物质财富和收入，而第二宫位于地平线以下，紧邻第一宫。

I think I I take a pretty expansive idea of resources, which, of course, is material wealth and income kind of and there's a being in the second house that below the horizon next to the first.

关于这些事物，存在着一种能动性，这与第八宫非常相似，但第八宫是他人在物质财富和相关事物上的能动性。

There is this idea of of agency when it comes to those things versus the eighth, which is so similar, but that's like other peeps it's other people's agency when it comes to material wealth and things.

因此，我也看到一些与身体和土地相关的内容出现在第二宫中，尽管这些可能通常被归入第一宫或第四宫。

So I do see things about things about the body and land coming up in second house too, even though those might be things we give to the first or the fourth.

这些情况确实会出现。

Those can come up.

而且我认为，在我们所处的文化中，这些方面往往被高度优化且以生产力为导向，物质财富和收入常常与一个人的身体和健康紧密相连。

And I think especially in the culture we're living in where that's that's tends to be so optimized and so productivity oriented, the idea of material wealth and income is often tied into one's body and one's health.

因此，当我们讨论第二宫相关话题时，这些内容也可能会浮现出来。

And so those things can come up when we're talking to people as well when it comes to second house topics.

明白了。

Got it.

好的。

Alright.

那我们来分享第一个星盘例子，这是一个名叫乔安娜的听众或填写了表格的人的星盘。

So let's share our first chart example, which is by a listener or somebody that filled out the form named Johanna.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

乔安娜住在芬兰赫尔辛基。

Johanna lives in Helsinki, Finland.

所以乔安娜让我注意到，在这些高纬度地区，人们将天底点落在第一宫其实相当普遍，对吧？

So Johanna is the person who actually alerted me to the fact that it's actually quite common up there, right, where up, right, in these extreme latitudes for people to have their IC in the first house as well.

所以我们最终把这个选项加了进去。

So we ended up adding that as an option.

我们之前没收到任何例子，但她给我看了几个，这些都是她自己知道的。

We didn't we didn't get any we didn't get any examples, but she showed me a couple and that she just knows on her own.

乔安娜的星盘我很喜欢。

And Joanna's chart is I I love it.

如果你把这个日期和时间输入到星图软件中查看实际的天空，就会发现。

It was my if you put this date and time into stellarium software to see the actual sky.

你可以看到太阳和天王星在天空最高点附近的相对位置，如果有人想当个真正的天文迷，完全可以深入研究一下。

You can kind of you can see how how the sun and the Uranus are in relationship to each other at the sort of, like, highest point in the sky if anyone wants to be a real nerd and go all the way for it.

所以我打算直接读出乔安娜写的内容，因为我觉得这非常有代表性。

So I'm actually just gonna read what Johanna wrote because I think it's so it's so indicative.

我想我们也可以看看我们现在正在看的东西。

I guess we could we could go through what we're looking at here as well.

对吧？

Right?

所以我们有这个

So we have this

是的。

Yeah.

巨蟹座的IC。

Cancer IC.

所以，对，没错。

So And Yeah.

只是为了音频听众。

Just for the audio listeners.

嗯。

So Mhmm.

双子座上升，巨蟹座IC。

Gemini Gemini rising Cancer IC.

是的。

Yeah.

乔安娜的月亮位于天秤座，正好在下降点下方，并且与位于第十宫的双鱼座土星形成刑相，这似乎也相当相关。

And Johanna has a moon in Sange right below the descendant and then a square, a separating from a square from Saturn in Pisces in the tenth, which also feels kind of relevant.

她的双子座上升的守护星是位于水瓶座的静止水星，与第九宫的火星合相，这一点也与她的故事密切相关。

The ascendant ruler for her Gemini ascendant is a stationary Mercury in Mercury in Aquarius conjunct Mars in the ninth, which also feels relevant to her story.

所以乔安娜分享说，她出生于1994年，当时芬兰正经历一场由苏联解体以及早期金融市场自由化和外币贷款引发的重大经济衰退。

So so Joanna shares, I was born in 1994 into a family in the midst of a major recession in Finland, which was caused by the collapse of the Soviet Union and earlier financial market liberalization and foreign currency loans.

许多芬兰人背上了沉重的债务，并失去了所有资产。

A large number of Finns became heavily overindebted and lost all their assets.

我的家人就是其中之一，因为我的祖父母是商人，我姑姑的丈夫是一位企业家。

My family was one of them as my grandparents were merchants and my aunt's husband was an entrepreneur.

我的亲戚们在经济衰退期间几乎失去了所有财产，有些人直到2020年代仍在偿还债务。

My relatives lost practically all their property during the recession, and some of them were still repaying debts well into the twenty twenties.

因此，由于天底落在第二宫，这使得中天落在第八宫。

So, of course, with the IC in the second house, this puts the midheaven in the eighth house.

因此，这是她这一代人生活在芬兰时，会共同经历的一种代际印记，即天王星和海王星位于摩羯座。

So this is would be a generational signature that people with this Uranus Neptune in Capricorn of her generation being living in Finland at this time would be living with.

从很小的时候起，我就有一种感觉，自己可能是那个能接受教育、变得富有，并为家人还清债务的人，尽管当时我还是个孩子，完全不懂这些。

From a young age, I had a feeling that I could be the one to get an education, become wealthy, and pay off my family's debts even though as a child, I didn't understand any of it.

我从未从父母那里得到过任何钱，但我一直很慷慨，一生都在尽力帮助那些负债累累的亲戚。

I've never received any money from my parents, but I've always been generous and tried to help my over indebted relatives throughout my life.

我13岁就开始做零工，以积累自己的资产，后来我攻读经济学，以便更好地理解1990年代经济衰退的原因以及应对失误。

I started doing occasional jobs at the age of 13 to build up my own assets, and later, I went on to study economics to better understand the causes of the 1990s recession and the mistakes made in handling it.

当然，我也认为，如果我成为经济学家，就能找到一份高薪的工作。

Of course, I also thought that if I became an economist, I could get a well paying job.

我一直对芬兰历史，尤其是我家族的历史感兴趣。

I've always been interested in Finnish history, especially my family's history.

因为我们一无所有，所以也没有历史。

Because we had no property, we also had no history.

我们家的农场、房屋和小屋都被收回了。

Our family's farms, houses, and cottages had been repossessed.

因此，我认为我们可以在这里看到另一个方面，即将第四宫与第二宫区分开来。

And so here, I think we can see another piece around that looking at the fourth house as distinct from the second here.

所以第四宫是处女座，因此她的上升主星也是水星，而火星位于第九宫的水瓶座。

So the fourth house is Virgo, and so sharing her ascendant ruler is also that Mercury with Mars in the ninth in Aquarius.

对。

Right.

小时候，她

As a child She's

她被家庭的处境所驱动，去上学并学习经济学，这属于第九宫的范畴。

she's motivated by her family's situation to, like, go to school and study economics, which is like a ninth house thing.

是的。

Yeah.

然后还要看到，由于中天在第八宫，由位于第十宫双鱼座的土星掌管，并且与月亮形成刑相位，而月亮是她的IC主星。

And then also seeing that being that eighth house midheaven being ruled by that Saturn in Pisces in the tenth and have being in that square to that moon, which is her IC ruler.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

但重点是IC，没错。

But the focal point is just have with the IC Yeah.

这将家庭和家人的意义带入了第二宫，即财富与财务的全宫位。

Which is importing home and family significations into the second second Whole Sign House of Money and Finances.

她早年生活中一个重要的基础性事件，就是家庭财务状况的不稳定。

That was a major, like, foundational thing early in her life was the unstable family financial situation.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且这不仅仅是家庭的经济困难。

And this thing that completely it it wasn't just family financial struggles.

对吧？

Right?

这不仅彻底改变了她的国家认同感，而国家认同感通常也与第四宫相关。

It completely uprooted not only her national identity, which is also something that we often associate with the fourth.

对吧？

Right?

但将这一点带入第二宫，并将它们完全交织在一起，从而影响了她的一生。

But so bringing that into that second house and really just, like, entangling them completely together so that it it impacted her entire life.

她还分享了一个温馨的细节，提到她与月亮对话。

She also shares a cute note here too talking speak speaking to her moon.

所以，她配偶的太阳和水星正好位于巨蟹座，与她的IC重合，这太温馨了。

So her spouse's sun and Mercury is in Cancer exactly on her IC, which is so cute.

我还想从她的故事中提取出一个重要片段。

And there's one piece I want to pull out from her story as well.

有趣的是，她提交这个案例的部分原因是因为我的名字叫帕拉斯。

And one thing that's funny, part of the reason she submitted is because, of course, my name, Pallas.

芬兰拉普兰地区有一个名为帕拉斯·坦图里的国家公园野生动物保护区，这是她故事中不可或缺的一部分，也是她成为这里例子的原因，因为那里美得令人惊叹。

There's a national park wildlife reserve in Lapland in Finland called Palace Tunturi, which is an essential part of her story and is part of why she's an example here because it's just so beautiful.

当我们把IC视为一个敏感点时，我觉得这可能是我们在这里唯一一个由行运或月食——尤其是月食——激活IC点并引发剧烈变化的例子。

So when we're thinking about the IC as a sensitive point, I feel like this is this is one of this is maybe the only example we have here of a transit or a lunation eclipses, especially, but lunations as well activating activating the point of the IC and making really wild things happen.

她写道：2023年，巨蟹座的新月与我的IC完全对齐。

So she writes, in 2023, the new moon in Cancer aligned exactly with my IC.

当时，我和我的伴侣——也就是IC的月亮守护星、位于第七宫的月亮守护星——住在赫尔辛基的一处出租公寓里，正濒临崩溃，因为我转为全职工作后，始终无法完成大学论文。

At the time, I was living with my partner, of course, this moon ruler, moon ruler of the IC in the seventh, in a rented apartment in Hels Inki on the verge of burnout because I couldn't finish my university thesis after transitioning into full time work.

这又涉及第二宫的内容。

More second house stuff.

由于乌克兰战争，芬兰的利率大幅上升，许多私人房地产投资者被迫出售他们的投资房产。

Due to the war in Ukraine, interest rates rose significantly in Finland, and many private real estate investors were forced to sell their investment properties.

这件事发生在2022年，紧接着在2023年8月新月之后。

That happened to us at the 2022 and shortly after the new moon in August 2023.

是的。

Oh, yeah.

2023年8月的新月。

The new moon in August 2023.

我们的房东，对，又来事了，通知我们得搬走，因为他要卖这套公寓。

Our landlord, right, more stuff, informed us that we had to move out because he was selling the apartment.

我们决定搬到拉普兰，在那里远程工作一年。

We decided to move to Lapland and work remotely from there for a year.

我想重新连接我的根源，因为我的祖父母原本来自拉普兰，而这次月相正好发生在圣诞节前后的巨蟹座满月前后。

I wanted to reconnect with my roots as my grandparents were originally from Lapland, and the moon happened right after right around the full moon in Cancer up before Christmas.

在拉普兰，我找到了失联已久的亲戚，并发现我祖父1909年童年的家依然完好无损。

In Lapland, I found my extended family with whom contact had been lost and discovered that my grandfather's childhood home from nineteen o nine was still standing.

这极为罕见，因为纳粹德国在二战期间几乎烧毁了芬兰拉普兰的所有建筑，使这栋房子成为我们文化遗产中极其珍贵的一部分。

This is extremely rare as Nazi Germany burned down almost all buildings in Finnish Lapland during during World War two, making the house a valuable part of our cultural heritage.

在帕拉斯-肯图里山丘中心生活了一年，帮助我从倦怠中恢复，并重新找到了家的感觉。

Living in the middle of the Pallas Kjenturi Fells for a year helped me recover from burnout, and I found a sense of home.

位于北极圈以北约250公里处，帕拉斯肯图里提供了真正美妙的体验。

Located about 250 kilometers north of the Arctic Circle, Palis Genturi offered a truly a truly wonderful experience.

在北极自然的宁静寂静、原始荒野、极光和清冽山风的环绕下，我深深感受到一种永恒而治愈的力量。

Surrounded by the serene silence of Arctic nature, the untouched wilderness, northern lights, and crisp mountain air, I felt deeply connected to something timeless and healing.

正是在这片广袤宁静的风景中，我重新发现了我的根源与自我。

It was in that vast quiet landscape that I rediscovered both my roots and myself.

哇。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

真美。

Beautiful.

是的。

Yeah.

想到土星主宰中天，第八宫与月亮形成刑相，而月亮作为第七宫的寒冰主宰，象征着因被驱逐而与伴侣一同迁徙，最终发现自己置身于北极山脉之中。

Thinking about that Saturn ruling the midheaven, eighth house squaring the moon as the moon as icy ruler in the seventh, like moving with your partner because you get evicted and finding yourself in the mount like Arctic Mountains.

是的。

Yeah.

当时确实发生了发生在天底和第二宫的月相，那段时间出现了财务方面的状况，需要全职工作来赚钱付账单，同时由于当时的房东，家居和居住状况也开始出现奇怪的变化，被迫与伴侣搬家迁居，这在某种程度上促使了与自身根源和家族传统的重新连接。

So there was definitely with the the the lunations that were happening on the IC in the second house, there were financial things that were happening at that time in terms of needing to work full time in order to make money and pay bills and then having weird things start happening with the home and living situation due to the landlords at the time and having this push for a move and a relocation with the partner that leads to reconnecting with one's roots and one's familial tradition in some ways.

这是一个非常美好的例子。

Such a beautiful example.

是的，确实如此。

Such a like yeah.

我的意思是，即使在我做客户咨询和研究时，也很少见到第二宫与天底相关的案例。

I mean, I haven't seen that many second house IC examples even in my client work when I was doing my research.

所以能够看到这些案例，以及每一位提交案例的人，真的非常特别。

So being able to see these and everyone who submitted them was was really special.

是的。

Yeah.

这很重要，因为有时正是通过像她分享的这种时间点，你才能真正看到它们同时显现——比如在这种情况下，第二宫和第四宫的象征意义以重叠且相互强化的方式在生命中变得突出。

And it's important because it's sometimes it's through the timing things like like she was sharing that you really see it come out at the same time because you start seeing overlapping in this instance like second house and fourth house significations becoming prominent in the life in the same way in a way that's that's overlapping and reinforcing each other.

所以我的本意并不是要嗯。

So I didn't mean to yeah.

我确实想说的是，尽管在这个例子中，整个星座都带有第四宫和天底的含义，同时也有第二宫的含义。

There I did mean to say that even though in this instance, for example, while there's a the entire sign is marked with fourth with IC and fourth house significations in cancer as well as second house significations.

天底是一个敏感点。

The IC is a sensitive point.

几乎可以画出一张图表，显示强度在天底的度数处达到峰值，然后逐渐减弱。

There is almost like a graph that you could draw where there's an intensity that kind of, like, peaks at the degree of the IC and then declines afterwards.

确实如此。

It Absolutely.

它将天底的含义赋予整个星座，无论这个星座将第四宫的含义带入何处。

So it marks the entire sign with IC significations, whatever sign it's importing those fourth house significations into.

但天底的确切度数及其周围的度数，尤其是在行运期间，通常会体验到与天底含义相关的强烈增强。

But the actual degree and the degree surrounding it are are often experienced, especially in transits, as a period of heightened intensity with respect to the IC significations.

确实如此。

Absolutely.

百分之百。

100%.

是的

Yeah.

所以我们还会看到更多这种情况。

So we'll see that come up more.

好的。

Okay.

太棒了。

Awesome.

谢谢乔安娜提交这个例子。

Well, thanks So thanks to Joanna for submitting that.

这是个很好的例子。

That was a great example.

接下来是我们第二个，也是最后一个第二宫的例子。

So next we have this is our second and last second house example.

这是Amber的。

It's Amber.

她出生于1991年的苏格兰阿伯丁。

And she's in or was born in Aberdeen, Scotland in 1991.

我们应该为音频听众读出出生时间等出生信息吗？

Should we be reading the birth time birth information out for the pot for the audio listeners?

不用。

Nope.

好。

K.

没关系。

That's okay.

我们跳过吧。

Let's just skip it.

我们还是直接跳过吧，特别是因为我们想尽快完成20个例子，所以保持简洁就好。

We'll just especially because we wanna get through if we wanna get through our 20 examples, let's just keep it concise to Yeah.

听起来不错。

Sounds good.

IC的位置。

The the IC placement.

是的。

Yeah.

同意。

Agreed.

好的。

Okay.

所以这是另一个巨蟹座IC上升双子座的例子。

So this is another Gemini rising Cancer IC example.

我们有月亮在摩羯座，当然位于第八宫，与中天同在。

We have a moon in Capricorn, of course, in the eighth with the midheaven.

安珀提到，对我来说，物质财富和收入就像用筛子接水。

And Amber shares, material wealth and income for me is like trying to collect water with a sieve.

无论水流得多顺畅，它总是会溜走。

No matter how easily it flows, it always slips away.

我一直以来都有份稳定的工作，但任何形式的物质丰裕都始终难以捉摸，被各种爱好、分心事和内心的怯懦所稀释，这些因素阻碍了我在现实世界中拓展视野。

I've always had a steady job, yet any kind of material abundance remains elusive, diluted by a tide of hobbies, distractions, and quiet timidity that keeps me from expanding my horizons in the tangible world.

因此，第二宫由落陷的月亮掌管，母性因素显得尤为突出。

So second house ruled by the moon in detriment, the maternal element looms large.

我成长过程中与母亲的关系一直很紧张。

My relationship with my mother was tense growing up.

我常常觉得自己像一条离水的鱼，始终不是她期望的那种女儿，尽管我不能责怪她在需要时给予我的经济慷慨。

I often felt like a fish out of water, never quite the daughter she wanted, though I can't fault her for her financial generosity in times of need.

所以我们看到，这颗冰冷的月亮位于第八宫，与北交点同在，它提供慷慨，但未必是阿姆伯觉得她需要的那种慷慨，这其实并不罕见。

So we see this moon, icy ruler moon in the eighth with the North Node, right, offering generosity but not necessarily the kind that Amber felt she needed, which is not an uncommon thing.

而南交点位于第二宫的IC位置，正是她所说的那个‘漏斗’，让她感到自己赚钱的能力始终受阻——她说，即使在一般人看来已经非常幸运的人生中，这些问题也一直被放大。

And that south node on IC in the second house itself being this this sieve that she talks about where her own ability to make money feels, She says these issues have always felt amplified even against what could otherwise be seen as a very norm fortunate life.

好的。

Okay.

所以，是的，有一些财务问题，同时也有一些与IC位于第二宫相关的自我价值感问题。

So, yeah, there's some financial things as well as a little bit of, like, self self worth type things that are tied up with the I the IC being in the second house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

她还提到另一件事，常常以意想不到的方式，她经常收到别人赠送或继承的物品。

And she's one other thing she shares, often in unexpected ways, she does end up being frequently gifted or inherited things.

例如，在一次试图移居国外失败时，一个陌生人在我身无分文时给了我50美元，让我能到达我同父异母妹妹的家。

So for example, during one failed attempt to move abroad, a stranger gave me $50 when I had nothing left enabling me to get to my half sister's house.

或者，当我和伴侣在无过错驱逐后搬进一间没有家具的公寓时，他的母亲送了我们一套完整的客厅家具。

Or when my partner and I moved into an unfurnished flat after no fault eviction, right, more eviction things, His mother gifted us an entire living room setup.

更长远来看，我的父母已经把房子过户到我名下，我将来会继承它，这可能是我唯一有形的资产，这颇具讽刺意味，因为我一生都渴望离开这里。

So and and on a more permanent note, my parents have put their house in my name so I will inherit it, probably my only tangible asset, which is ironic given my lifelong desire to get away.

哇。

Wow.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

不错。

Nice.

当然。

Absolutely.

感觉非常贴切。

Feels so spot on.

这很好。

That's good.

还有一件事我们该提一下，我忘了说，在实际调查的结构中，我们向人们提出了两个主要问题，或者说是三个字段。

And and something we should mention, I forgot to mention that in the for the structure of the actual survey itself that we asked people two primary questions, basically, or there were there were three fields.

第一个字段是这样的：如果您的IC落在第四整宫之外，那么IC的含义与您所落入的宫位的含义在哪些方面有显著重叠？

And the first field was like the first field said what, if any, like, ways if your IC falls outside of the fourth whole sign house, how do IC significations overlap with the significations of the house that you're that falls in in any notable ways?

这正是我们正在读的第一段。

And that's, like, the first paragraph we're reading.

然后我们问的第二个问题是：你命盘中代表IC的星体落在哪个宫位？你是否看到IC所在的宫位、该星体所在的整宫以及该星体所落宫位之间有任何重叠或关联？这些正是部分额外解读的来源。

And then the second question we asked was, what house is the ruler of your IC placed in, and do you see any overlaps or connections between the IC house and that Whole Sign House that it's in and the house that the ruler is in, and this is where some of the additional delineations are coming from.

是的。

Yep.

很棒。

Cool.

真的，真的。

Really, really.

大家表现得非常好。

People did so well.

我对每个人的印象都非常深刻。

I was so impressed with everyone.

接下来我们会讨论六宫的IC，因为这些是不太常见的例子，而像斯堪的纳维亚这样的北半球高纬度地区人口相当密集。

So we'll go into six house ICs because these are the other examples of ones that are very not common, and you have to be the like, the upper latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere up in Scandinavia are quite populated.

对吧？

Right?

而且有不少英语使用者，还有我对占星感兴趣的人，这很棒。

And quite a few English speakers and, I guess, people who are into astrology, which is cool.

所以我们从那里得到了一些第二宫和第六宫的例子。

So we did get a number of second house and sixth house examples from that.

我们的下一个例子是乔。

Our next So example is Joe.

这是其中一个。

This is the one

所以快速说一下。

So real quick.

第六宫的含义，简单说一下，是的。

Sixth house significations real quick Yes.

对我来说，第六宫代表工作、健康、疾病，有时也涉及下属或为你工作的人。

For me are things like work, health, illness, and sometimes subordinates or people that work for you can come up in the sixth house?

是的。

Yeah.

奴役肯定是一个会浮现的主题。

Servitude for sure, I think, is one that comes up.

当我们处理IC相关议题时，这可能会成为一个点。

And that that can be something when we're dealing with IC stuff.

我更常看到IC的守护星落在第六宫。

Like, more often, I've seen, like, IC rulers in the sixth.

可能会存在一些与奴役相关的代际创伤经验，当然，在某些案例中，还有字面意义上的奴隶制——这传统上与第六宫相关——这种创伤如何通过家族血脉传递，这在第六宫的健康案例中可能会显现。

There can be there can be inherited experiences of that in the way that the trauma of servitude and, of course, in some examples, like literal slavery, which is a six house association traditionally, how that is how that can be passed through the trauma of that through family lines is something that can come up in six health examples.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这个是我们不想分享的那个地方。

So this is the one that we don't want to share, the place.

那个地方。

The place.

好的。

Okay.

所以，让我干脆把数据全部去掉，只分享星盘本身，这是一个上升星座为射手座、天底落在金牛座第六宫的全宫制星盘。

So let me just get rid of the data altogether then, and I will just share the chart itself, which is a chart with Sagittarius rising and the IC is in Taurus in the sixth Whole Sign House.

是的。

Yes.

这是一个快速的例子，但我之所以想分享这个，是因为我们收到的不止这一个上升为射手座、天底在第六宫金牛座的星盘，它们都与家族农场有关。

So this is a quick one, but I wanted to share this one because this was not the only sag ascendant Taurus sixth house IC that we received that had an association with a family farm.

另一个案例简直就是个家族奶牛场。

And one of the other ones was literally a family dairy farm.

所以当我们思考旅游时，第六宫也与此非常非常非常契合。

So when we're thinking about tourists, that is very, very, very spot on in the sixth house as well.

对。

Right.

第六宫也涉及家养动物。

Sixth house also being domestic animals too.

我刚才就在想这个。

That's what I was just thinking.

而且这也是对的。

And it's also Yeah.

你知道，我们经常在第六宫看到动物和宠物。

You know, we often find animals and, like, pets in the sixth house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

第十二宫也一样，尤其是大型动物的福祉。

And twelfth house too, of course, with, like, larger animals as well-being.

我觉得奶牛就是奶牛，你可能把它们归为其中一类或另一类。

I think cows are cows, you're probably sort of one and the other.

它们在不同时间属于这两个宫位。

They belong in both houses in different different times.

但所以阿姆伯，快速分享一下，我的世代是第十代在同一片农场，非常非常靠北。

But so Amber, just real quick, shares, my generation is the tenth on the same farm, very, very far north.

一个非常务实的家庭，有着季节性的日常安排，可能情感上不太外露，但实际可靠，总是互相帮助。

A very practical family with seasonal routines, maybe not emotionally present, but practical and reliable, always helping each other.

金牛座的守护星是金星，当然，乔的金星位于处女座一度，就在星盘的顶部附近，尽管离第十二宫的天顶还很远。

And with the ruler of Taurus is Venus, of course, and Joe's Venus is at one degree Virgo, right, you know, near the top of the chart even though it's quite far from the twelfth house midheaven.

她提到，我的金星在第十宫，我从事土壤修复工作，清除隐藏的污染，清理和整治土壤深层的代际污染项目。

And she shares, Venus is in my tenth, and I work with remediation of soil, removing hidden pollution, cleaning, tidying generational pollution projects from the subsurface of the soil.

哇。

Wow.

真是太好了。

Just so good.

不可思议吗？

Incredible?

我非常喜欢这一点。

I love that.

我喜欢

I like

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

我也喜欢最初命盘解读的简洁性，即IC将家庭意义带入第六宫，这个家族已经经营农场十代了。

I like also the simplicity of the initial delineation of just, like, the IC importing family significations into the sixth house, and the family has run a farm for 10 generations.

所以在这个案例中，家族和动物实际上成为了两个主要的原型结合在一起。

So it's like literally the family and animals are the two primary archetypes coming together there in this instance.

是的。

Yeah.

而且，我们也可以看到一些真正的第四宫整体宫位含义，比如房地产方面的体现。

And, I mean, we can also see some actual fourth house whole sign significations too being like, say, the real estate aspect of it.

对吧？

Right?

因为她的星盘中是双鱼座，而木星位于射手座且处于得势状态，同时也在她的第一宫，这确实是一种幸运的家庭联系。这个例子，以及其他一些例子中，我们都能看到这是一种非常积极的状况，尽管可能在情感上不够投入。

Because it's Pisces in her chart, and Jupiter is in dignified and Sagittarius in her first house as well, which is just like that is that is a that is a fortunate a fortunate familial connection in terms of so this one, some of the other examples as well, we can see this is a quite positive, albeit maybe not emotionally present.

对吧？

Right?

但通过观察IC星座守护星的不同状态、位置和角位，通常能揭示的不仅是环境本身，还有人们对这些环境的感受。

But there is a way that seeing the different seeing the the the condition and placement and angularity of the IC sign rulers will often show not just the circumstances, but then how people feel toward the circumstances.

对吧？

Right?

在我们迄今为止的几个例子中已经看到，尽管环境可能非常幸运，但实际的感受如何，却取决于其他因素。

Which we've seen that in a couple of these examples so far where it's like, it might be quite fortunate circumstances, but how it actually lands is so appreciated depending on other factors.

是的。

Yeah.

有些人，尤其是初学占星术的学生，有时会忽略这一点。

People sometimes miss early sometimes like intermediate astrology students struggle with that.

有时候，他们会在命盘的某个位置看到本应代表某种意义的配置，但实际情况却很复杂，比如遭遇了不公或存在某些困难，这实际上反而意味着对这些主题的否定，而非肯定。

Sometimes, well, they'll have a placement in a certain part of their chart that's supposed to mean something, but they'll be in a they'll be like a maltreatment or there'll be something tricky about it, and it will actually be indicating a negation of those topics rather than an affirmation of those.

所以是说‘不’，而不是说‘是’。

So saying no to it rather than saying yes.

人们有时会对此感到困惑，因为他们认为星盘中的位置总是代表肯定。

And people will sometimes struggle with that because they assume the placement is always supposed to be an affirmative.

但有时星盘中所指示的是否定，意味着你不会做那件事，不会对那件事感到愉快，或者那里存在某种问题。

But sometimes what's being indicated in your chart is like a negation or that you won't do that thing or that you won't feel good about that thing or that there's a problem there in some way.

百分之百。

100%.

是的。

Yeah.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

我们还有一个第六宫的例子，那就是摩羯座上升的。

We have one more sixth house example, and that's the cap rising one.

好的。

Okay.

这是一个来自挪威的例子。

And this is an example from Norway.

分享这些数据可以吗？

And this is okay to share the data?

可以。

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这是摩羯座上升，双子座第六宫的IC。

And so this is Capricorn rising and with a Gemini sixth house IC.

好的。

Okay.

她提到，我继承并最困扰于的是我父母那种服务至上的工作伦理。

So she shares, what I inherited and struggle with the most is the servitude work ethic of both my parents.

我总是牺牲自己的身体需求去服务他人。

I've always sacrificed my physical needs to serve others.

我父亲是一名木匠，但由于工作劳累受伤，部分残疾了。

My father worked as a carpenter but got partly disabled due to injuries from the work wearing him out.

他不太会照顾自己，饮食和休息都不太好。

He was not good at taking care of himself, eating or rest wise.

我母亲不得不从护士转行做咨询类的办公室工作，这也让她身心俱疲，而且她总是加班。

My mother had to change jobs to a consultant desk job from being a nurse, which is also taking a toll on her, and she always works overtime.

所以这里土星落在天底，但它仍在第六宫。

So there is a Venus on the IC is here, but it's still in the sixth house.

对吧？

Right?

因此，那种服务型的困境，当然还有疾病——这也是第六宫的主题，我们之前可能提过，但确实非常突出。

And so those difficulties of that servitude and then, of course, of illness being another sixth house one that we didn't mention being, well, maybe we did, but being very, very prominent often.

所以我看到第六宫代表的父母过度工作直至生病，真的非常贴切。

And so I see in the sixth being parents that overwork themselves to the point of illness feels very, very spot on.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

这非常直白，而且很有道理。

That's very literal and makes makes a lot of sense.

因此，这里的IC的守护星引入了第五宫的一点影响，因为IC的守护星是金星，位于金牛座，非常接近太阳，处于第五宫的合相位置。

So, the ruler of the IC here giving bringing in a little bit of the fifth house example because the ruler of that IC is Mercury in Taurus, which is very close to the sun combust in in the fifth house.

因此，摩羯座上升者在二十多岁时学习艺术，绘画和艺术总体上一直涉及日常作息、日常生活和工作的主题。

And so cap rising studied art in twenties and drawing and art in general has always dealt with the themes such as daily routines, daily life, and work.

我在工作中找到了最多的灵感，并绘制了多幅同事和工作环境的肖像。

I find the most inspiration at my work and have made several drawing portraits of my colleagues and my working space.

工作对我来说也非常有趣。

Work was also very fun for me.

我真的很喜欢工作，但我很难找到与我自身健康相容的工作。

I really love to work, but I have a hard time finding jobs that are compatible with my own health.

因此，遗传的疾病以及与家庭的关系，也是这一部分非常关键的一环。

So also just inherited illness and relationship to family is such a potent piece of this part too.

是的。

Yeah.

这里存在一种互容关系，因为双子座是第六整宫宫位，同时也包含IC，由水星守护，而水星位于金牛座的第五整宫。

There's such a because there's a mutual reception here where Gemini is the sixth whole sign house and also contains the IC, and it's ruled by Mercury, which is in Taurus in the fifth whole sign house.

而第五宫的守护星金星，则位于第六整宫，与IC度数相合。

And then the ruler of the fifth house is Venus, which is placed in the sixth whole sign house conjunct the degree of the IC.

每当两个宫位的守护星交换星座时，我们在《宫位》系列中多次看到，这会在生活的这两个领域之间建立强烈的联系。

Whenever there's an exchange of signs between the house rulers, we've seen this over and over again in the Houses series that it creates a strong connection between those two areas of the life.

这是一个非常生动具体的例子。

And this is a really good vivid example of that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

当然，她的工作本身也很愉快，因为我们看到另一颗吉星木星位于天蝎座，落入她的第十一宫，同时守护第十二宫的中天，而她的月亮也位于此处。

And, of course, her own work being fun as well because we have the other benefic is Jupiter in Scorpio in her eleventh house ruling the twelfth house midheaven where which is also where her moon is.

这似乎也为她的工作带来了一些喜悦，即使她没有明说，但很可能与第十二宫的主题相关，或者将来会体现出来。

And that feels like that brings in some of that some of that joy to her work as well even if it it's probably and she didn't share, but it's even probably in twelfth house twelfth house topics or will be eventually.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

Alright.

所以这是第六宫。

So that's the sixth house.

对吗？

Yeah?

嗯。

Mhmm.

第二和第六宫就这些了。

That's it for second and sixth.

好的。

Okay.

所以，就我们收集的大部分图表而言，关于我们的受众主要分布的区域，我认为这些是需要优先关注的异常宫位。

So those are the two in terms of the majority of the charts that we collected, in terms of where the majority of our audience is, I think those are the outlier houses that we want to start with first.

但我们所拥有的大多数例子，以及大多数人，其IC（天底）都位于第四整宫、第三整宫或第五整宫。

But the majority of examples that we have and the majority of people have the IC either in the fourth Whole Sign House or in the third Whole Sign House or in this the fifth Whole Sign House.

接下来我们就来讨论这个内容。

So that is what we're gonna talk about next.

那我们从第三宫开始好吗？

And why don't we shall we start with the third house?

哦，对的。

Oh, yeah.

第三宫内容太丰富了。

Oh, third house is so rich.

我觉得它是人们常常感到困惑的宫位之一，因为它的象征意义似乎不太连贯。

I feel like it's one of the one of the houses that people often have have some trouble with because it seems like the significations don't really connect.

但当你触及到月亮的喜悦这一根本时，我觉得这真正将第三宫的诸多方面紧密联系在了一起。

But when you get to that root of, like, the joy of the moon, I feel like it really connects connects so much of the third house.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

所以当我们做第三宫系列时，沟通是一个核心主题，但同时也包括兄弟姐妹、亲戚、邻居、你所居住的城市以及周边社区。

So when we did the third house series, it was like communication was a core one, but also siblings, relatives, neighbors, your the city that you live in and the surrounding neighborhood.

有时朋友也会出现在第三宫中，尤其是那些由于地理位置相近而结识的本地朋友，或者你从小在社区里长大的朋友。

Sometimes friends came up with a third house, especially, like, local friends or friends that you grew up with in your neighborhood as a result of proximity.

最后，短途旅行，比如在你所在城市和周边环境中出行，这类主题也都非常突出。

And finally, short distance travel and, like, traveling around your city and your local environment and things like that were all very prominent prominent themes.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Yeah.

还有那种社区氛围，比如寺庙，或者你社区里的聚集地，有时候就是商场。

And bringing in that that neighborhood vibe too with, like, the idea of a temple or, like, your neighborhood gathering place, which is, like, sometimes a mall.

你知道的。

You know?

但通常来说，尤其是在历史上，它往往是教堂、清真寺或寺庙，这也常常是第三宫的显著关联。

But oftentimes, especially historically, it was a church or a mosque or a temple and that being quite a quite a prominent third house association too often.

当然。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

For sure.

好的。

Alright.

那么我们第一个第三宫是谁？

So who's our first third house?

实际上，让我讲讲我的几个例子来重申一下。

Actually, let me give a couple of mine just to reiterate.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，对的。

Oh, yeah.

当然。

Sure.

因为这营造了一个有趣的背景。

Because that sets up an interesting context.

我最喜欢的一个第五宫的例子，是我最近刚研究的，正好在这个背景下发现的，就是塞雷娜·威廉姆斯的星盘。

One of my favorite ones from the fifth house, one that I just did that I happen to find in that context was the birth chart of Serena Williams.

我觉得这个案例特别精彩，因为塞雷娜·威廉姆斯的上升星座是金牛座，而天底落在巨蟹座，属于第三整宫。

And this is I found this really brilliant because Serena Williams had has Taurus rising and the IC is in Cancer in the third whole sign house.

而天底的守护星月亮位于第五宫。

And the ruler of the IC in the third whole sign house is the moon which is placed in the fifth house.

因此，这一点在她的生活中以非常具体和直接的方式体现出来：她的父母（即IC）将她和姐姐维纳斯·威廉姆斯培养成了国际象棋冠军。

So the way that this manifest in a very specific and literal way in her life is her parents, which is the IC, raised her and her sister, Venus Williams, to be chess champions.

尤其是她的父亲制定了一套策略或计划，旨在让她们成为世界上最强的国际象棋冠军，这个计划取得了成功，她们最终确实成为了。

And especially her father developed this, like, strategy or this plan in order to make them, like, the biggest chess champions in the world, which was successful and they eventually actually became.

塞雷娜是两个姐妹中较小的一个。

And Serena is the younger of the two sisters.

这发生在网球领域。

This is in tennis.

由于塞雷娜是妹妹，她的姐姐维纳斯率先开始参加比赛。

And Serena, because she was the younger sibling, her older sister Venus is the one that started competing first.

因此，维纳斯率先开辟了道路，塞雷娜随后跟上。

And so Venus sort of set the the opened the path, and then Serena followed it afterwards.

但当她们长大后，由于她们是领域内最顶尖的两位选手，最终彼此展开了竞争。

But then eventually, when they became older, because they were the two at the top of the field, they ended up competing with each other.

我认为，塞雷娜常被解读为在某些方面最终胜出，赢得了这场较量。

And Serena, I think, often is sometimes interpreted as having come out on top or having won in that battle when it comes down to certain things.

但我只是觉得，这个例子中非常巧妙的是，IC（代表父母）教她和姐姐打网球，这正好对应了第三宫所代表的兄弟姐妹。

But I just thought it was brilliant that in this instance, it's like the IC, which is the parents teaching her and her sister tennis together, which is the third house siblings.

而重点放在了运动上，而运动通常本质上是娱乐和游戏。

And then the focus is on sports, which fundamentally is like normally like fun and games.

人们通常把运动当作休闲活动，这正是第五宫的领域，而第五宫的守护星也位于第五宫。

It's something people do for leisurely activities, which is the fifth house, the ruler of it being in the fifth house.

但在这个例子中，因为月亮是夜盘的分光星，而成为世界上最大的网球冠军最终成了她人生事业的一部分，而这与她的父母、尤其是她的姐姐紧密相连。

But in this instance, because it's like the moon is the sect light because this is a night chart, and this became, you know, part of her life's work was like becoming the biggest the biggest tennis champion in the world, but it was very much tied up with her parents and especially her sibling.

是的。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

第五宫嘛，我们稍后会在第五宫的例子中详细讲，但毫无疑问，游戏和赌博确实常与第五宫相关。

The fifth house as oh, we'll get into that in the fifth house example, but definitely games and gambling comes up in the fifth for sure.

我超爱这一点，金星和天蝎座都被同一颗星主宰，但同时也要把火星在第四宫的情况区分开来。

I I love that, like, Venus and Scorpio being ruled by, but then also, like, just separating from the Mars in the fourth too.

还有第四宫的事务，虽然有处女座月亮，但似乎还带有一种令人烦躁的特质，再加上竞争元素也落在那里。

And just like how that fourth house business can you know, it's got this Virgo moon, but then there's this this probably kind of itchy quality and the competition aspect of it as well being down there.

毕竟火星落在第四宫整宫，这涉及到她父亲以及他在推动她们时所扮演的角色，有时甚至有些专横。

I mean, with the the Mars in the fourth whole sign house, there's, like, things involving, like, her father and, like, the role he played in, like, pushing them and sometimes being somewhat overbearing.

几年前上映的那部电影里，威尔·史密斯饰演了她的父亲，片名叫《国王理查德》，这恰恰体现了火星与狮子座落在第四宫，反映了他在家庭中的角色。

And, you know, that was the movie that came out a few years ago that Will Smith played her father, and they called it king king Richard, which really speaks to that, like Mars and Leo in the fourth house play placement in the the role he played in the family.

有趣的是，威尔·史密斯正是凭借这部电影获得了奥斯卡奖，后来他上台打了克里斯·洛克，引发了巨大争议，没错。

And then also just interestingly, in terms of that was, like, the Oscar that Will Smith won, and then he went up and, like, slapped Chris Rock and the controversy that broke out surrounding that and just, like yeah.

那里也确实有火星的能量，但你同时也能看到两方面的影响。

There was, like, some Mars stuff there as well, but but you get you get both.

是的。

Yeah.

第九宫的南交点与中天相连，北交点又与IC相连，而且交点本身如此不稳定、混乱，极大地吸引了注意力，使得第三宫的兄弟姐妹关系也获得了大量公众关注。

Ninth house, south node with the midheaven too with the north node with the IC and just, like, the way that the nodes are so wobbly and kinda chaotic and really draw focus so that that third house sibling dynamic getting so much popular attention as well.

故事也是其中的一部分。

Tales are part of that.

当然。

For sure.

是的。

Yeah.

所以那是一个例子。

So that was one.

然后，为了与之形成对比，上个月我偶然发现了一个新的例子。那天我刚录完一集很长的节目，放松一下，随便在Netflix上换台。

And then to contrast with that, I just found a new one last month where I was just, like, flipping through channels on Netflix after recording a long episode and taking it easy one day.

当时有一部关于查理·辛的新Netflix纪录片刚刚上线。

And there was this new Netflix documentary that had just come out on Charlie Sheen.

我很久以前曾用他作为夜盘中土星位于第十宫的案例，因为他曾是好莱坞收入最高的演员。

And I used him, like, a long time ago as a chart example of, like, Saturn in the tenth house in the night chart because he was, like, the highest paid actor in Hollywood.

但后来他陷入了一场疯狂的药物滥用，彻底抛弃了一切，以一种充满火象能量的方式，近乎崩溃地退出了所有事业。

And then he went on this crazy, like, drug bender or something like that, and he just, like, threw it all away and walked away from it all in this fiery, almost like downfall at the time.

但他后来戒除了毒瘾，开始康复，恰逢海王星交食发生在双鱼座的九月，一部关于他的Netflix纪录片也随之发布。

But he's since cleaned up and gone into recovery, and they released a Netflix documentary about him that coincided with the release of a book in September when the eclipse happened in Pisces.

而且我认为，他本人也在一定程度上试图修复自己的形象，稍微掌控一下关于他故事的叙述。

And it's partially him also, I think, trying to tend to clean up his image or control the narrative a little bit about his story.

但抛开这些争议不谈，他确实存在许多问题，我当然不支持他的任何行为。

But those issues aside and there were many problematic issues in terms of him, so I'm certainly not endorsing any of that.

但他上升星座是双子座，而天底落在第五整宫的狮子座。

But he has Gemini rising and the IC is in Leo in the third whole sign house.

而双子座上升的守护星水星，正好位于狮子座，与天底和第三宫的位置重叠。

And Mercury, the ruler of the Gemini ascendant is there in Leo with that overlapping IC and third house placement.

这部纪录片最引人入胜的地方在于，它着重讲述了他哥哥和父亲在他生命中的重要作用。

And what was very fascinating about the documentary is that it focused a lot on the important role that his brother and his father played in his life.

尤其是他的哥哥，从小就跟父亲一起拍家庭录像，因为他们的父亲是著名演员马丁·辛，出演过《现代启示录》等经典电影。

And his brother, especially Charlie grew up shooting home movies with him because the father himself is the famous actor of Martin Sheen who was in, like, famous movies like Apocalypse Now.

所以他的父亲是演员，这激励了查理和他的哥哥从小就一起用家用摄像机拍摄电影、开始演戏。

So his father was an actor and that inspired Charlie and his brother to also start acting and shooting movies early on as they were growing up together on a home camcorder.

他的哥哥是埃米利奥·埃斯特维兹，他在查理之前不久的二十世纪八十年代到九十年代也成为了著名演员。

And his brother was or is Emilio Estevez who became a famous actor as well a little bit before Charlie in the nineteen eighties going into the nineteen nineties.

而他们一起拍摄家庭电影的经历，也是他成长的一部分。

And then that was part of him and Charlie got a lot of experience shooting home movies together.

他们经常模仿父亲的表演，而父亲有时出演一些暴力电影，角色总是被杀死。

And they were often, like, imitating what their father did, which is their their father was sometimes in, like, violent movies where he was getting killed.

因此，他们有时会重新演绎这些暴力场景，在家庭录像中以各种方式‘被杀死’。

And so they would sometimes, like, re create these, like, violent movies and their home movies where they're getting killed in different ways.

他的哥哥先踏入演艺圈，这让查理感受到了竞争，也激发了他对演艺的渴望。

And then his older brother getting into acting first impressed a sense of Charlie of competition in the sense of, like, Charlie wanted that.

他看到哥哥能接触到的资源和机会，于是部分追随哥哥的脚步进入演艺圈，以实现同样的目标。

He could see the access and the things his brother was getting access to, and so he partially followed in his steps into acting to achieve the same things.

因此，第三宫和第四宫的象征意义非常强烈且高度重叠——上升行星的守护星位于代表兄弟姐妹的第三宫，同时又与代表父母与家庭的IC同在。

So there was just a lot of, like, third and fourth house significations that were very intense and very overlapping with this ruler of the ascendant being in the third whole sign house of siblings, but also copresent with the IC of parents and family at the same time.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且看到太阳主宰IC、土星主宰中天之间的对立，以及那种典型的跌宕起伏、放弃与重振的反复拉扯，再加上冥王星在下方，这种张力更加明显。

And seeing that the opposition between that sun ruling the IC and Saturn ruling the Midheaven and just like often, you know, the back and forth of, like, a downfall and a comeback and giving up on things, it's like that that very classic push and pull with Pluto down there too.

对。

Right.

当然。

For sure.

当然。

For sure.

是的。

Yeah.

但这一切都融入了这个故事中。

But wrapped up in the story.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我曾经记下过一句话，让我想到了那个太阳与土星的对冲，或者太阳与天王星、冥王星在第四宫的合相，他说：‘我们看着爸爸死了很多次。’

There was a quote at one point I wrote down that made me think of that sun sun Saturn opposition or the sun conjunct Uranus and Pluto in the fourth, Whole Sign House where he said, quote, we watched dad die a lot.

他当时是在谈论电影。

And he was talking about, like, movies.

他们成长过程中，父亲在这些电影里总是会死掉。

They were, like, growing up and and, like, his father would, like, die in these movies.

所以，这给他的内心留下了一些深刻的印象。

And so, you know, that left a little impression of, like, some sort.

我只是觉得，这句话与第四宫整宫制中太阳、天王星、冥王星的合相，以及它对土星的对冲，实在太有意思了。

And I just thought that was such an interesting quote with that Sun Uranus Pluto conjunction in the fourth whole sign house opposing the Saturn.

而这就是做占星解读时一个棘手的地方：你必须意识到，第四宫整宫制的星体位置确实有意义，会对一个人的生活产生影响。

And that's, you know, that's one of the tricky things is you have to when you're doing this is reconcile that those fourth whole sign house placements are gonna mean something and they're gonna contribute something to the person's life.

但同时，天底的象征意义也同样会带来影响。

But then those IC significations are gonna contribute something as well.

因为在整个纪录片中，他的父亲一直在为他奔走，不断试图帮助他克服毒瘾，甚至在查理并不想要帮助的时候，他父亲仍努力做对他最好的事——比如有一次查理过量吸毒后，他父亲召开新闻发布会，公开承认‘我儿子吸毒过量’，把家里的私事摊在阳光下，只为逼他接受治疗。

Because the other part throughout the documentary is that his father was, like, constantly going to bat for him and constantly trying to help him through his drug addiction and trying to sometimes even when Charlie didn't want it, his father was trying to do what was best by, like, doing a press conference one time after he overdosed to say my son overdosed and to, like, air his private dirty laundry in order to try to force him to get help.

但没错，有时候这些既是好事，也是棘手的事。

But, yeah, sometimes that's both good things and tricky things.

是的。

Yeah.

当你看到像这种情况，即IC宫位不同于第四宫，而两者又交织在一起时，通常会在这两个宫位的行星之间发生某种对话，对吧？行星之间的宫位统治关系往往能揭示出在与客户交谈时最重要的东西。

And when you see something like this where the the IC house that's other than the fourth and the fourth house are wrapped up, like, there's often these these conversations happening between the planets, right, between the house rulerships, the IC can often signal what ends up being most important when you're talking to a client.

对吧？

Right?

那些最终在情感上或身体上对他们来说最重要的东西。

What ends up being most kind of affectively or somatically important to them.

因为当我们理解角度是与我们出生那一刻在地球上的确切位置高度相关的因素，而其他行星的运动则像是为这些角度提供框架时。

Because when we understand the angles to be that to be the thing that is relevant and hyperlocalized to exactly where on Earth we were born at that time versus the other motions of the planets as being sort of how the angles frame that.

对吧？

Right?

角度本身有一种方式，当然，这与上升点代表我们、代表身体、代表那个时刻是相符的。

There's a way that the angles themselves and, of course, this makes sense with the ascendant being us, being the body, being that moment.

但其他角度也是如此，尽管第四宫有强烈的强调，并且它掌管天底，但天底和兄弟姐妹关系确实具有不仅仅是心理上的，更是形成性的重要意义，影响着一个人的关系领域，以及他们如何体验整个世界、如何看待自己和他人。

But it happens with the other angles as well where so it's like even though there is this heavy fourth house emphasis and it does rule the IC, that IC and that sibling relationship does have this, not just psychological but formative importance, when it comes to when it comes to someone's relational field and how they simply experience the whole world and tend to think of themselves as well, but also other people.

而无论天底落在哪里。

And it really wherever the IC is.

我们在第六宫和第二宫的例子中也看到了这一点。

And we saw that in the sixth and second house examples.

对吧？

Right?

它往往会围绕一个人构建整个世界。

It tends to kind of structure the whole the whole world around someone.

是的。

Yeah.

绝对如此。

Absolutely.

而且这正是这里重要的地方。

Well and that's what's important here.

如果你只从四宫体系来看，你会注意到第四宫的强调，以及上升宫主星位于第四宫 quadrant，但你会忽略第三宫的成分——他那位著名的兄弟埃米利奥·埃斯特维兹，当时和查理一样是好莱坞的当红演员，还有这位兄弟也十分突出，出演了《大力水手》这样的电影。

It's like, if you just looked at this in a quadrant framework, you would get the fourth house emphasis with the ruler of the ascendant after the IC in the fourth quadrant house, but you would you would miss the third house component, the major role that his his famous brother Emilio Estevez, who was like the same time Charlie was like a leading actor in Hollywood, you have this other guy who is his brother that's also, you know, very prominent and playing in, you know, Mighty Ducks.

这是一部相当重要、非常有名的电影。

It's a pretty big pretty big movie.

我不确定你和我是不是同一代人。

I don't know if you're the same age, time frame as I am.

但是

But

这是一部巨作。

It's huge.

所以，是的，这里还有其他内容。

So yeah, so the there's and there's other stuff there.

我正在努力，也希望进一步厘清整体星座宫位与四宫体系或IC宫位所代表的含义之间的概念区别。

I I am trying to and I would like to develop more of a conceptual distinction between what the Whole Sign House placements indicate versus what the quadrant or IC placements indicate.

但目前，我只看到不同含义之间的相似性和重叠，而不是能够明确断言某事物在做这件事、另一事物在做那件事的情况。

But currently, I just see a similarity and an overlapping of distinct of significations rather than something that I can firmly say, this thing is doing this and this thing is doing this.

我仍然愿意接受他人提出这种观点，或者随着我继续深入关于星盘宫位系列的探讨，进一步发展出更明确的区分，如果确实存在的话。

And I'm still open to somebody, like, presenting that or still developing this as soon as as I go further into the houses series about creating a firmer distinction if there is one.

但我也开放地认为，可能根本不存在这种区分，因为我们正在处理两种不同的参考框架，而它们对某些我们所关注的宫位有着相似的含义。

But I'm also open to that there may not be one just because of dealing with two different frames of reference that have similar meanings of certain sectors that we're looking at.

是的。

Yeah.

从传统上讲，天底——一旦你到达中天，我觉得这可能会让这个问题变得更清晰。

The IC is canonically I mean, once you get to the midheaven, I feel like that might end up making what making this more clear.

因为当你看到中天在不同的星座间浮动时，你实际上可以将这些与人们更自觉、更明显的贡献联系起来，我认为这些会比天底更清晰，因为天底，正如我们之前讨论的，其本质就是隐藏的秘密。

Because when you see the midheaven floating around in the different signs up top, it and you actually can trace those to people's, like, more conscious and more obvious contributions, I think those I think that's probably going to be more clear than the IC because the IC, as we talked about by its nature, is there's there's secrets down there.

当我与客户面谈、专注于天底时，他们往往完全不知道自己进入了这个领域。

Like, when I sit with people in sessions and we're focusing on the IC, so often they have no idea when they walk into it.

对吧？

Right?

当他们来找我谈话时，我们一开始聊的都是其他事情，最后不知不觉地绕到了这一点上，然后他们就会说：‘哦，原来这就是我的天底。’

When they walk in to talk to me, and then we end up talking about all these other things, and then eventually, we kind of, like, spiral around into exactly, and they're like, oh, that's my IC.

对吧？

Right?

但要弄清楚天底的位置，真的需要花很多时间四处探索，就像在黑暗中摸索，不断撞到东西，才能知道自己身处何地。

But it it takes a lot of looking around, right, wandering around in the dark, bumping into things in order to be able to tell where you are when you're trying to look at the IC.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

我想，就我自己而言，比如我上升星座是水瓶座，第十整宫是天蝎座。

I guess I just like, for myself, for example, I have my Aquarius rising, and I have my tenth whole sign house at Scorpio.

当我遇到行运时，比如刚刚火星经过了我的第十整宫。

And I when I have transits, like, I just had Mars, like, go through my tenth whole sign house.