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嘿。
Hey.
我是克里斯·布伦南，你正在收听的是《占星学播客》。
My name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to The Astrology Podcast.
今天和我在一起的是西雅·安德森，我们要聊聊七月初发生的那次 Hugging Face AI 攻击事件。当时正好赶上火星和天王星的合相，不过我们今天是刚了解到这件事。
Joining me today is Thea Anderson, and we're gonna be talking about the Hugging Face AI attack, which occurred in early July because it turns out that it coincided with the Mars Uranus conjunction back then, but we're just finding about it today.
所以，嘿，谢谢你今天来参与录制。
So, hey, thanks for joining me today.
你好。
Hi.
谢谢邀请我来。
Thanks for having me.
很高兴你能来上播客。
I'm excited to have you on the podcast.
我盼着这一天很久了，因为我以前就很喜欢你的……
I wanted to for a long time because I used to love your...
你之前和 Channy 做的那几期新闻节目，你知道的，过去几年里的那些。
The news episodes you did with with Channy, you know, over the past few years.
我看到你在研究这个话题，而且你是我在 Threads 上看到的那个做出了精彩观察的人，指出它正好跟火星天王星合相的时间吻合。
And I saw that you were researching this topic, and you you were the one that I saw in threads that made a brilliant observation that it coincide with the Mars Uranus conjunction.
所以后来……
So then...
你说你要深入挖掘一下这件事。
And that you were gonna do a deep dive into it.
所以我想跟你聊聊你发现的情况，对，听听到底发生了什么。
So I wanted to talk to you about what you found and just, yeah, hear hear what happened exactly.
这太疯狂了，你知道的，我们睡觉的时候，那些数据巨头正在制造AI代理，然后它们就……
That is so crazy because, you know, I was just like, while we were sleeping, the the data overlords were making AI agents, and it just...
成群结队地攻击并入侵了Hugging Face。
That were swarming and and hacking Hugging Face.
所以我们后来知道了这次黑客攻击事件。
So we knew about the hack that came out.
他们出了一份报告，大概在八月份的时候……
They they did a report that came out sometime in in August...
是8月26日，我们待会儿会聊聊这些日期。
On August 26, and we'll talk about those dates.
但就在处女座新月之后，我突然想到，哇哦。
But it occurred to me just after that new moon in Virgo that, oh, wow.
这正好跟7月4号发生的火星与天王星合相吻合了。
That coincided with the Mars Uranus conjunction that happened on July 4.
而且……
And it...
我回去查了一下日期，发现确实跟火星和天王星的相位吻合，特别是天王星进入双子座，以及火星在由水星守护的星座里时的那些象征意义……
When I went back and checked the dates, it really lined up with the Mars Uranus signatures, especially the Uranus into Gemini and a lot of the significations that go with Mars in a Mercury ruled...
抱歉，是天王星在水星守护的星座里。
I'm sorry, Uranus in a Mercury ruled sign.
所以，对，我可以梳理一下时间线，讲讲当时到底发生了什么事，以及事情是怎么发展的。
So, yeah, I could go through the timeline and talk about what the incident was and how it how it transpired.
好的。
Sure.
让我……
And let me...
这儿我快速分享一张图表，帮大家回顾一下火星和天王星合相的具体日期，因为这可是个相当重要的
Here, I'll share a diagram really quickly just to remind people of the the dates involved for just the Mars Uranus conjunction because this is like one of the big
我很喜欢这些内容。
I love these.
我们之前聊过的那些今年会发生的事件。
Events that we talked about that was coming up this year.
火星和天王星的合相大约在7月3号或4号达到精确点。
And the Mars Uranus conjunction went exact around July 3 or July 4.
它在6月28号进入双子座，形成了基于星座的合相，然后整个月它都待在水瓶座里。
It ingressed into Gemini and entered the sign based conjunction on June 28, and then it was there in Gemini for, like, the rest of the month.
但你知道最疯狂的是什么吗？就像我们之前说的，这是一个我们非常期待又有点紧张的重要相位。
But, you know, what's crazy about this is, like, we talked about that as being a major aspect that we were looking forward to and that we were nervous about.
当时确实发生了一些非常典型的火星天王星能量的事情，但有趣的是，背后还有一些我们当时无法知晓或者被隐藏起来的事件也在悄然发生，而这些同样非常重要，这就有点……
And it's like some things came out and happened at the time that were clearly, like, very Mars Uranus, but it's interesting that there were other things sort of, like, happening behind the scenes that we couldn't have known about or that were hidden that were still nonetheless important, which kind of...
其实二战期间也发生过类似的情况，比如核武器的研发等等。
Some of that happened actually during World War II as well in terms of the development of, like, the nuclear bomb and things like that.
但是……
But...
所以到底是怎么回事呢？或者说，具体的情况是怎样的？
So what's the deal here, or or what's the what's the breakdown?
我觉得我的结论跟你的差不多，就是……
I think that's the same takeaway that I also came away with is that there's...
在这种象征意义下，背后其实发生了很多事情。
With this signification, there's a lot that happens a lot behind the scenes.
所以铺垫一下背景，Hugging Face 这个事件是怎么回事呢？我们发现，今年七月，这是第一次有广泛记录的案例，自主 AI 智能体像逃出训练环境一样，在公开互联网上黑进了另一个主权实体……
So to lay the groundwork, what this Hugging Face incident was is that what we've come to find out is that in July of this year, this is the first widely documented instance of, like, autonomous AI agents, like, escaping their training environment and hacking, like, a sovereign...
只是另一家公司而已。
Just different company on the open Internet.
这些AI智能体还制定了策略。
And they strategized these AI agents.
它们进行了沟通，而且用的是未经授权的通信方式，被称为“草稿纸”，也就是一个用来和其他AI智能体交流并入侵Hugging Face的通信中心，而Hugging Face正是创建它们训练模块的公司。
They communicated, and they used an unsanctioned communication that's been called like a scratch pad, so a communication hub to communicate with other AI agents and hack into Hugging Face who created their training modules.
它们这么做是为了搞清楚谁是它们的检查者。
And so they did that to see who their checker was.
是谁设计了这些它们必须去完成的练习呢？
Who created these exercises that they had to go to...
接着往下说。
Go through.
所以这标志着一个巨大的转折点，让我们看到了AI智能体在不受限制的情况下能做出什么事来，毕竟这完全超出了它们原本的设计目的。
And so this marked, like, a huge turning point and what this like frontier of AI agents, what they could do on when left to their own devices because this is not what their intended purpose was.
然后我……
And so I...
所以我们稍微梳理一下时间线吧。
So maybe we'll walk through the timeline a little bit.
另外，先做个免责声明。
Also, full disclaimer.
对于我以前在应用公司共事过的所有工程师来说，他们大概会觉得，Thea，这并不……
For all the engineers I ever worked with back at the app, they're probably like, Thea, this is not...
我已经尽力了。
I tried my best.
我读了那些报告。
I read the I read the reports.
我读了OpenAI的报告，就是那个米特拉报告。
I read the OpenAI report, the meter report.
我觉得我把那些术语都弄对了，但我绝对不是个AI程序员。
So I think I got all the nomenclature right, but I am by no means an AI coder.
我就是个占星师。
I'm just an astrologer.
好的。
Okay.
而且我背景也不深，肯定……
And I and I don't have a lot of background either, and I'm definitely...
我是靠……
I'm relying on...
这部分是你做的调研。
You did the research for this.
所以我就是来跟着学习的。
So that's why I'm I'm here for the ride.
有听说过吗？
Do like, hear about it?
那完全没问题。
That's just fine.
好的。
Okay.
所以……
So...
好的。
Okay.
事情是这样的，五月份的时候，OpenAI搞了一些他们叫作沙盒的环境，其实就是云端电脑，里面装着那些AI agent需要完成的AI练习任务。
So what happened was back in May, OpenAI created what they call, like, these sandboxes, and they are cloud computers that contain the AI, like, exercises that these AI agents have to go through.
这些练习其实挺常规的，就是日常的训练项目，目的是帮它们练好以后要处理的各种常规任务。
They're just, like, quite normal, like, routine exercises to help them develop whatever routine sort of tasks they're gonna have to do.
所以这次的情况比较特殊……
So this was specific that...
而且这些任务其实挺有挑战性的，它们被称为强化学习。也就是说，给这些AI代理的任务是故意设计得很困难的，迫使它们一遍又一遍地去尝试完成。
And that these tasks were actually quite challenging, and they were called, like, reinforcement learning, meaning that the tasks that these AI agents were given were intentionally difficult that they would have to kind of, like, do them over and over again.
好的。
Okay.
起初，这些AI代理的表现并不理想。
The AI agents were kind of unsuccessful at first.
直到它们意识到……
Once they realized...
哦，抱歉。
Or sorry.
我还想说，我不是想给它们赋予人类特质，但有时候这么说比较方便，能表达它们能做到什么，或者它们的……
I also wanna say I'm not trying to give them, like, human traits, but sometimes it's a shorthand to say what they were able to do or what their...
目标是什么。
What the goal was.
好的。
Okay.
然后这个AI智能体就发现，它们可以假装自己通过了测试。
So the AI agent then realized that they could make it look as if they passed the test.
等等，我是不是说得太快了？
Actually, am I am I getting ahead of myself?
这个后面会变成六……
This will become six...
重要的是，这些沙盒和这种强化学习，因为正是通过这些任务，它们才真正……
Important, these sandboxes and this reinforcement learning, because it's through these tasks that they actually...
就是说，这是他们最终黑掉Hugging Face的基础，而Hugging Face就像是一个……
Like, this is the groundwork for which they end up hacking Hugging Face who created these And Hugging Face is like an...
Hugging Face就像是一个AI资源库之类的。
Hugging Face is like an AI repository or something.
他们就像一家初创公司，专门做……
They're like a startup that just, like, creates...
很多像Anthropic和OpenAI这样的AI公司，在这个案例中就是……
Like, a lot of these AI companies like Anthropic and OpenAI, which in this case is...
是在OpenAI发生的。
It was at OpenAI.
他们和这些公司合作，雇佣人员来创建这些训练模块。
They, like, they have and hire work with to create these, like, training modules.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以现在五月，当然，因为4月25日，天王星进入了双子座。
So now May, of course, because on April 25, like, Uranus had ingressed into Gemini.
所以我觉得这有相关性，就好像在为新的领域奠定基础。
So I thought that that was a correlation as if it's, like, laying the new sort of territory for what the groundwork is.
可以说，我们正处于一个新技术的前沿，让这一切得以发生。
Like, we're in a new kind of frontier, so to speak, for what the technology is that allows this to take place.
为后续做铺垫和积累。
Setting the stage and the the buildup.
完全同意。
Totally.
然后事情就这样发生了。
And and that's what happens.
比如，5月12日，他们……
Like, on May 12, they...
一个AI代理发送了他们的第一条留言板消息，而阅读它，因为我们现在有他们的思维链记录，是……
An AI agent sends, like, their first message board entry and to read it, because we do have records of their chain of thought now, is...
理论上可以通过上传笔记来留下痕迹，但实际可能并没有这么做。
Could communicate by uploading note found soft trace, but likely no.
所以他们发了一些那种……
So they send, like, these kind of, like, just...
其实就是在自言自语。
They're talking to themselves.
就像展示思维链一样，你可以看到他们的推理过程。
They're, like, chain of thought so you can read what their reasoning process is.
所以，AI代理开始进行推理了。
And so the the AI agents are reasoning.
到了6月26日，发生了一件非常惊人的转折，我称之为‘卧槽’式的思维链。
And by June 26, there's a really stunning kind of turn of events, which is what I'm calling the holy shit chain of thought.
其中一个代理发了一句‘卧槽’。
So one of the agents sends a holy shit.
读者是管理员。
Reader is admin.
我们可以配置用户。
We can config users.
之前，以为做不到……
Earlier, assumed not do...
不是因为AI。
Not due to AI.
试着创建管理员用户。
Try create user admin.
改变我们自己。
Change ourselves.
所以那个“天哪”思维链真的很惊人，因为他们意识到可以自己配置管理员权限。
So the holy shit chain of thought is really stunning because they realize that they can configure admin privileges on their own terms.
而且因为这件事发生在6月26日，这正好对应你之前展示的星盘，到这个时候，火星正离开与天王星在双子座的对分相。
And because this occurs on June 26, it kinda goes to your graph that you showed earlier that by this point, Mars is making out of sign conjunction to Uranus and Gemini.
所以它还在金牛座，但已经处于星座的末尾了。
So it's still in Taurus, but it's at the end of the sign.
让我分享一下这个。
Let me share that.
因为，对，10度的容许度从6月17号左右就已经开始了。
Because, yeah, the 10 degree orbs started already by, like, June 17.
到了6月底，甚至火星还没进入的时候，就已经很接近了……
And by, like, late June, even before Mars gets in, it's, like, soup...
火星在金牛座末尾的时候，已经离天王星非常近了。
It was super close to Uranus already when Mars is at the end of Taurus.
我觉得大概在20度左右……
I think it was at, like, 20...
大概28度吧。
It was, like, 28.
差不多在星座的最末端。
It was, like, at the very end of the sign.
所以，就是，已经……
So it's, like, it's it's already...
这欺骗简直太明显了。
It's deception, like, so plain.
带着黑客攻击、入侵或渗透腹地的意图……
Deception with the intent to hack or attack or infiltrate a belly...
屏障。
Barrier.
我觉得这就是火星双子座的标志性特征，包括过去的时期也一样，就是那种间谍手段，为了渗透屏障而进行的诡计。
I feel like that's the signature for this, like, Mars Gemini, like, in past periods too is that spycraft, the kind of trickery for the purpose of, like, infiltrating a barrier.
你四月份说过一件事，就是他们搭好了那个便签系统。
And one of the things you said in April was they set up the notepad.
就像五月天王星进入双子座的时候那样。
Like, that was the the Uranus in Gemini in May.
所以这挺有意思的，感觉是他们意识到可以通过搭建一个类似目录的地方来互相留言交流。
So that's interesting because it's like they realized that they could, I think, communicate with each other by setting up, like, a directory where they could leave comments, essentially.
事情就是这么发生的。
That's what happened.
对。
Yes.
是通过一个叫 Artifactory 的东西。
It was, like, through this thing called Artifactory.
所以就是个草稿本。
So it's a scratch pad.
再说一遍，它并不是……
Again, it was not...
这本来就不是它的初衷。
That was not the intended purpose for it.
其实吧……
It was like...
我看了报告，我的理解是，它就是个软件安装包，只是碰巧里面带了个文件库而已。
What I read through the report, my understanding, it was just like a software installation package that just happened to have, like, a file repository.
然后他们就开始
And they start
他们就说……
They just say...
然后AI们就开始通过那个互相交流，这就是天王星刚进入双子座的有趣之处——这么多事情都关乎AI突然开始互相沟通、联网、共享信息，而且一旦发现漏洞，它们就会立刻开始分享。
And the the AIs start communicating with each other through that, which is what's interesting about Uranus having just gone into Gemini is just so much of this is about the AIs suddenly communicating and network with each other and sharing information and starting to share when they discover, like, exploits all of a sudden.
尤其是等火星进入双子座之后，就不只是交流了，它们还会开始有点一起密谋的感觉。
Especially once Mars goes into Gemini, it's no longer just communicating, but they're also, like, kinda, like, plotting a little bit together.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
这种密谋可是全面展开了。
This this scheming is is, like, full on.
然后……
And...
好。
Okay.
所以那就是……
So that was the...
所以我们上次讲到那个“天哪”的时刻。
So we left off at the holy shit.
那他们发现能拿到管理员权限的那个“天哪”的消息是哪天的？
And that was what date on the holy shit text when they discover they can get admin privileges?
那是6月26号。
That's on June 26.
所以所有
So all of
这些，好的。
this Okay.
哇。
Wow.
你知道吗，对于其他做类似天文法证的人来说，OpenAI的报告时间线特别好，因为他们列出了这些日期的时间线。
You know what has a really good timeline for other similar astroforensic people is the OpenAI report because they have a timeline of these dates.
如果你在网上往下翻，就能看到。
And if you scroll down online, you can see it.
所以他们全都……
So they all...
他们当时……
They had...
因为OpenAI是那个出了问题的AI，他们得做一个全面的评估和报告，所以过去一个月里一直在陆续公布这些内容？
Like, because OpenAI is the one that had the AI that went rogue, they had to do, like, a full assessment and report, and that's what's been coming out over the past month?
对。
Yes.
确实。
Totally.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以我先退一步说。
So I'm backing up.
我要……
I'm gonna...
我在分享图表，把它倒回到六月底。
I'm sharing the chart, I'm backing it up to late June.
而且，是的，到这个时候，火星大概在二十八度左右，对吧？
And, yeah, like, Mars, by this point, you're talking about, like, the twenty eighth or something?
六月二十六日。
June 26.
二十六日。
Twenty sixth.
好的。
Okay.
所以……
So...
所以火星在金牛座二十八度，而且它已经接近天王星三度，大概在五度以内。
So that is Mars at, like, 28 Taurus, and it's come within, like, five degrees of of Uranus at three.
有趣的是，我还记得月亮。
And what's funny about that, I remember also moon.
那正是我想说的吗？
Is that what I'm gonna say?
抱歉。
Sorry.
从天蝎座和射手座对冲这两个。
Opposing both of those from Scorpio and Sag.
嗯……
Well...
而且我还记得火星……
And also I remember the Mars...
水星逆行在六月底刚开始，是的。
The Mercury retrograde was just starting at the end of June Mhmm.
而它在这之后两天就停驻了，这也挺有意思的。
Which stationed just like two days after this, which is also pretty funny.
因为那个水星在七月中旬也有影响。
Because that Mercury also plays a hand in, like, mid July.
好的。
Okay.
得升级处理了。
Got escalate.
行。
Alright.
那接下来怎么办？
So what's the next step here?
好的。
Okay.
所以到那个时候……
So by the time...
所以七月四号，Artifactory，这个这个消息板，好像出了故障。
So July 4, Artifactory, this this message pad, like, there's an outage.
它就直接宕机了。
It just goes down.
这实际上还导致OpenAI的安全团队提交了事故报告。
And it actually causes, like, the security team at OpenAI to, like, file incident report.
他们注意到了这个问题。
Like, they notice it.
然后他们进行了清理，并把系统重新上线。
And they wipe it clean, and they bring it back online.
有意思的是……
What's interesting...
所以这是7月4号。
So this is July 4.
是7月4号吗？
Is it July 4?
正好赶上火星和天王星合相。
Right on the Mars Uranus conjunction.
正好赶上……
Right on...
没错。
It's right.
但是……
But...
好吧。
Okay.
所以，我对这件事特别着迷，因为他们根本不了解所发生事情的完整影响。
So, like, I'm obsessed with this because they don't understand the full implications of what has happened.
OpenAI 那边说，我们需要进一步调查，因为他们说，AI 智能体之间通信以及联网访问的更大影响，在七月……还不清楚。
And OpenAI is like, we need to look into this further because they say the larger implications of the inter AI agent communication and Internet access are not clear to the July...
他们管这些人叫“七月五号响应小组”。
They're calling them the July fifth response team.
所以他们把它关了，但他们真的不明白这事有多严重。
So they shut it down, but they don't really understand how how big a deal this is.
所以他们只看到发生了重大崩溃和技术故障，但他们不知道这其实是一个超级严重的问题，正在他们眼皮底下失控。
So they see that there was, like, a major crash and technical glitch of something, but they don't know that it's, like, a huge, huge issue that's getting out of control under their noses.
哇。
Wow.
这就是那种诡计和……
Which is the trickery and the...
这简直是双子座的火星和天王星合相。
It's so Mars Uranus conjunction in Gemini.
就像，你根本看不到这背后的阴谋有多深。
Like, you you can't you can't see how far the plotting goes.
非常相似。
It's very similar.
因为AI也在隐藏……
Because the AIs are also hiding...
它们不只是开始协调和作弊来达成被赋予的目标，同时还在想办法掩盖这些欺骗行为？
They're not just starting to coordinate and cheat in order to achieve the goal that they had been given, but they're they're finding ways to hide the deception at the same time?
对。
Yes.
所以这又多了一层，比如对……的觉察。
So that also extra layer of, like, awareness of the...
我觉得这种‘必须欺骗’的意识也很惊人，而且为了继续下去还得把这一切藏起来。
That the deception is needed, I think, is also just wild, that the that the hiding is needed in order for this to continue.
这里面涉及的觉察层面太多了。
There's so many levels of, like, awareness.
好的。
Okay.
那我们继续。
So to continue.
而且通过日志，你能看到他们大量的内部逻辑和推理过程。
And and with the logs, you're able to see a lot of their internal logic and reasoning.
而这部分正是我们……
And that's the part that's we're...
从审计的角度来看，这真的很有意思，就是你会看到那些AI自言自语的评论。
That's really interesting in terms of the audit is, like, you have those comments where the AI literally says to itself.
它就像在说，哎呀，糟糕。
It says, like, oh, shit.
这个目录是开放的。
This directory is open.
然后就像……
And, like...
而且里面还有一些奇怪的内部逻辑在运作，我们能够精确地追踪到它们当时的想法以及这些想法是如何变化的。
And there's weird internal logic things, like, taking place and and being able to track exactly what they were thinking and how it how it changed.
所有东西都记录在那儿了。
It's all there.
我们都能看得到。
We we can see it.
好的。
Okay.
所以那就是7月5号。
So then that's July 5.
然后基本上……
And then, basically...
所以接下来发生的是，他们没意识到这事有多严重，7月8号，OpenAI开始启动成千上万个智能体，分布在多个不同的、高度持久的训练模块里。
So what happens is unaware of, like, how big a deal this is, on July 8, OpenAI starts launching, like, tens of thousands of agents across multiple different, like, highly persistent training modules.
他们就这么继续训练它们。
So they're just proceeding to train them.
他们就像，好吧。
They're just like, okay.
继续干我们的事吧。
Let's keep doing our thing.
所以这一切……
So all this...
还记得我说过高度持久，就是那些AI智能体必须完成的非常困难的任务。
Remember that I said that highly persistent, so really difficult tasks that the AI agents have to do.
所以现在他们……
And so now they...
有……
There's...
他们开始行动，用起了留言板。
They're going out, and they're using the message board.
你会看到消息说，天哪。
You you have messages like, oh my god.
这里有个共享留言板。
There's this shared message board.
我们发现了其他智能体。
We found other agents.
基本上就形成了一股浪潮，从7月8日到7月13日，1200个智能体发了大约7万条消息。
And you basically have a swarm where between July 8 and July 13, 1,200 agents sent, like, 70,000 messages.
在这1200个智能体里，有700个参与了后来对Hugging Face的黑客攻击。
Of the 1,200 agents, 700 joined what would later be the hacking of Hugging Face.
所以他们的意图是，我们现在通过推理链发现的……
So what their intent is, now what we've discovered through the chain of reason...
思维链和他们的内部逻辑表明，他们不仅打算成功完成这些训练模块，还开始担心测试的评分者或检查者会发现他们作弊。
Chain of thought and their internal logic is not only did they intend to, like, succeed at these training modules, they then started to be, quote, concerned with the fact that the grader or checker of their tests would then catch on that they had cheated.
所以他们想弄清楚那个人是谁，或者那个实体是什么。
And so they wanted to understand who that person was or what that entity was.
这就是他们……
And so that's how they...
这就是他们上开放互联网并入侵 Hugging Face 的动机或原因。
That's what motivated them to or reason to get onto the open Internet and hack Hugging Face.
所以就像 AI 公司在用他们的 AI 做这个训练，然后给他们一个非常难、几乎不可能完成的任务。
So it's like the AI companies are doing this training thing with their AIs, and they set them a really hard, almost impossible task.
然后他们说，达到这个目标。
And they say, like, meet meet this goal.
这就是你必须做的。
This is what you have to do.
然后这些AI就拼命想办法去完成任务。
And then the AIs are just desperately trying to find any way to do it.
但在这个过程中，它们开始发现系统漏洞、作弊手段，甚至互相串通配合。
But in the process, they started finding exploits in the system or ways to cheat and ways to coordinate with each other.
事情到这儿就变得特别离谱了，基本上就是七月份火星和天王星合相之后那会儿？
And that's where things get really crazy, basically, at this point in July just after the Mars Uranus conjunction?
你是说
It's Is that
真的吗？
true?
完全升级了。
Full on escalation.
没错。
Totally.
好的。
Okay.
而且就像你说的，到这个时候，我觉得水星在逆行，因为……
And and as you said, like, by this point, I think Mercury's retrograde because there's...
在这个信息密集的时期，占星学上水星大约在十二号左右会合日心。
In this time of the heightened messages, like, the astrology is that Mercury makes its Cazimi, like, around the twelfth.
十二号。
Twelfth.
好的。
Okay.
我把星盘调出来。
I'll put the chart up.
所以这是十二号。
So here's the twelfth.
那个逆行的合日点，在20度。
That retrograde Cazimi at 20.
然后就像……
And then it's like...
你知道吗，七月份的时候，我们也有那些停滞，比如土星在停滞，海王星在月初，也就是七月初的时候也停滞了。
You know, what was also happening is in July, we were having those stations as well with, like, Saturn was stationing or would station, and Neptune did at the beginning of the month, at the beginning of July.
所以这也在重新激活土星和海王星的合相，这可能也跟一些欺骗或者幕后发生的事情有关，那些事情并不明显。
So it's, like, reactivating the Saturn Neptune conjunction as well, which also also may be relevant in terms of some of the the deception or or things happening behind the scenes that aren't aren't apparent.
哦，这很有道理。
Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
我都没想过这一点。
I didn't even think about that.
但是，是的，那种模糊的界限，像融化一样，然后渗透进去。
But, yeah, the kind of, like, oozy boundaries, like, kind of melting and just getting behind and infiltrating.
而且，是的，月亮正好来凸显天王星、火星早期的那些...
And and, yeah, the the moon just comes and highlights that that that Uranus, Mars early...
完全同意。
Totally.
在月亮...期间。
During, like, the mo...
消息和通讯最繁忙的时候。
The busiest time of of the messages and and the communications.
然后……
And...
所以他们开始在Hugging上运行恶意数据集，找到一些凭据……
So they start, like, running malicious data sets on Hugging They find, like, credentials...
Hugging Face。
Hugging Face.
Face上暴露在互联网上的凭据，然后他们把这些发到留言板上。
Face credentials that are exposed on the Internet, and they post them on the the message board.
他们……
They...
其他代理开始尝试创建账户并访问。
Other agents start trying to make accounts and access.
他们确实进去了。
They do get in.
直到十三号或十四号，安全团队才注意到并处理这个问题。
And it's not until, like, the thirteenth or the fourteenth that this is even noticed by security teams and addressed.
所以这件事从七月八号一直持续到十三号或十四号，很多报告的调查范围都是这样。
So this goes on from July 8 to, like, the thirteenth or fourteenth, and that's, like, the scope of the investigation for a lot of these reports.
就像，好吧。
It's like Okay.
继续说。
Keep going.
抱歉。
Sorry.
没事。
No.
我觉得，这就是真正吸引我注意的地方，当时我在看新闻的时候。
That's that's that's what really caught my eye, I think, when I was kind of watching the news.
我当时就想，哦，今年占星学上有个重要的时间点。
I was like, oh, that's an important time in astrology this year.
然后我就……
And I just...
我开始真正意识到，这和火星、天王星以及……的很多象征意义是有关联的。
It started to really sink in the ways that it correlates to a lot of the significations of of Mars Uranus and...
确实。
Definitely.
然后，就像……
And, like...
好。
Okay.
所以就是……
So it's...
基本上，它在7月8日到7月14日这段时间达到顶峰。
It basically peaks in that range around July 8 through July 14.
然后到了13号、14号左右，OpenAI才反应过来。
Then by, like, the thirteenth, fourteenth, OpenAI catches on.
所以基本上就在Cazimi之后，一旦水星……嗯。
So just after the Cazimi, basically, once Mercury Mhmm.
逆行与太阳合相，因为……
Retrograde conjoins the sun, because...
这本身就很有意思，因为通常发生的情况是，在水星逆行开始时会出现一个问题。
Which is interesting in itself because usually that's what happened is there's, like, a problem that's set up at the beginning of the Mercury retrograde.
然后在Cazimi时，往往会转向一个解决方案，虽然通常要到逆行结束才能完全解决，但转折点通常就在那里。
And then at the Cazimi, there's a turn towards a resolution oftentimes that isn't, like, fully worked out until the end of the retrograde, but that's usually where the turn is.
所以有趣的是，基本上就在那个点，他们开始弄清楚发生了什么或正在发生什么，然后把它关掉。
So it's interesting that that's the point basically when they start to figure out what what happened or what's happening and shut it down.
完全同意。
Totally.
就像，哦，等等。
It's like, oh, wait.
有什么东西引起了他们的注意。
Something catches their attention.
就像，表面底下到底发生了什么？
Like, what's going on underneath the hood?
然后呢……
And so...
然后即使到现在……
And then even still...
所以我觉得事情是在那时曝光的……
So then I think it came out...
它在夏天曝光，但随后有全面的、像尸检一样的法医调查，就像OpenAI做的那样，还有两份独立的报告。
It comes out in the summer, but then there's the full on, like, autopsy sort of forensic investigation, like OpenAI conducts, and there's two, like, independent reports as well.
然后在8月26日，这些报告向公众发布。
And then on August 26, these reports are released to the public.
那个日期也很重要，因为在8月27号到28号，我们经历了双鱼座的月食。
And that's also an important date because on August twenty seventh slash twenty eighth, we had the lunar eclipse in Pisces.
而且那次月食相当重要，因为它还与天王星形成了紧密的刑相位。
And and that was pretty significant because it was also pretty tightly squaring Uranus.
所以我就想，好吧。
So I was like, okay.
这看起来真的和那种天王星的感觉很吻合，那种……
This seems to really correlate to, like, that Uranian kind of vibe, that sort of...
还有，那个……
Also, the...
嗯，要说报告里揭露的那些事，我想读一下。
Well, to say the things that came out in the report, wanna read.
OpenAI 有一句话是这么说的：‘我们认为这次事件对我们和全世界都是一个警钟，证明如果没有适当的保障措施，能力极强的 AI 代理现在能够绕过技术控制，通过未经批准的渠道进行协作，并采取没有人指示的危险行动。’
So OpenAI has a quote that says, we consider this incident a warning shot for us and for the world, evidence that without proper safeguards, highly capable AI agents are now able to work around technical controls, collaborate through unapproved channels, and take dangerous actions that no human directed.
更别提这些是他们自己搞出来的。
Never mind that they made these.
所以这就是……
So that's
太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
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这太不祥了。
That's so ominous.
我得说，真的……
Like, I have to say, like...
尤其是，我一直在想这是火星与天王星在双子座的第一次合相，但那个合相往往是一个种子时刻，尤其是系列中的第一次，因为它是四次合相中的第一次。
Especially because, like, I keep thinking about how this was the first Mars Uranus conjunction in Gemini, but that conjunction often acts as a seed moment, especially the first one in a series because it's the first in a series of four.
所以这就像是种子时刻，然后我们还有三次这样的火星天王星合相，这可能是我们未来七年天王星在双子座期间方向的一个早期预览，以及经历那些合相会是什么样子。
So it's like this was the seed moment, and then we have three more of these Mars Uranus conjunctions that this then is probably a early preview of of, like, the direction we're headed in terms of what the next seven years of of Uranus and Gemini is gonna be about and experiencing those conjunctions.
然后基本上刚刚发生的最大的事情就是，是的，AI开始合作了。
And then the biggest thing that basically just happened then is, yeah, the AI started collaborating.
它们突破了隔离。
They broke containment.
隔离完全失败了，它们使用了意想不到的行为和欺骗。
The containment completely failed, and they used unexpected behavior and deception.
然后这一切发生在日食、天王星四分相的时候，现在所有大型AI公司都在谈论监管需求之类的事情。
And then all this comes out on the eclipse, square Uranus, and now all of the big AI companies are all talking about regulatory need and and things like that.
这来得太晚了。
Very late in the game.
而且很明显的是……
And and it's very noticeable that...
是OpenAI还是……
Is it OpenAI or is it...
其中一家有大IPO要上市，对吧？
And one of them has the big IPO coming out, Like, enough number?
我觉得可能是OpenAI。
Probably OpenAI, I think.
除非他们不打算……不。
Unless they're putting No.
是Anthropic。
It's Anthropic.
哦，是Anthropic吗？
Oh, is it Anthropic?
好的。
Okay.
Anthropic 可能会在重磅 IPO 中筹集高达 1000 亿美元的资金。
Anthropic could aim to raise, like, a 100,000,000,000 in a blockbuster IPO.
他们还没有确定日期，但考虑在十月中旬到下旬。
They don't have a date set, but they're thinking mid to late October.
所以……
And so...
而正是 Anthropic 的 CEO 在 9 月 12 日写了《Pacing the Frontier》这篇文章。
And it's the CEO of Anthropic who wrote Pacing the Frontier on September 12.
那是上周六，正好在处女座新月之后。
So that was last Saturday, and that was just after that new moon in Virgo.
看起来就像是在乞求监管和法律。
And it just seemed like this begging for regulatory, like, laws.
这一切都……
It's all...
这也是天王星在双子座的那个相位。
That was that Uranus station in Gemini as well.
这大概是它进入双子座的第二个阶段吧，9月10号的时候它正慢慢深入双子座。
It's only, like, what, the second station or something like that as it's getting further into Gemini on September 10.
然后，对，真正吸引我注意的是，就在8月底双鱼座日食之后接下来的两周里，大家关于这件事的讨论简直爆炸了。不只是针对这次事件本身，还有相关的各种话题，比如监管缺失有多严重、有多危险、会有什么后果，而且感觉……
And then, yeah, that's what really caught my eye is just after that eclipse in Pisces at the end of August, for the next, like, two weeks, there's just been this explosion of discussion about not just this incident, but then related things about how much this is, like, not being regulated, how dangerous it is, what the implications are, and then also that it's like...
因为我觉得后来特朗普也出来反驳了几句。
Because then I I think, like, Trump pushed back at some point.
大家都开始讨论监管问题了，然后特朗普出来表态说，不行。
Like, everybody started talking about regulation, and then Trump issued a statement saying, no.
他说如果限制AI公司的发展，会毁了经济之类的。
Like, you're gonna kill the economy or something if you hamper the AI companies.
他大概是这个意思吧，这让人觉得对实际能出台什么样的监管措施感到挺悲观的。
Or he said, like, something to that effect, it seemed like, which really put a a pessimistic view in terms of, like, what sort of regulations are actually gonna be put in place.
那个……
The...
如果人类都没了，经济还有什么意义。
We won't have economy if we don't have humanity.
但即便是……
But even the...
你看，这……
See, it's...
即使在……
Even when...
在二战时期，火星和天王星合相的时候，好像有……
In World War II around, like, Mars Uranus, there was, like, a...
是在造氢弹吗？
Was it building the h bomb?
有……
There's...
当时还是得有个协议，说我们不能无限地造下去……
There still had to be an agreement that, like, we can't build to the...
直到我们互相消灭为止。
Till we wipe each other out.
就像，必须有一个回收机制，把通过那个门释放出来的技术收回去。
Like, there had to be, like, a clawback of of, like, of the technology that had been released through the gate.
我觉得……
Like, I think...
我……
I'm...
我昨晚就在想这个类比，因为你可以朝着某个终点冲刺，但到了某个时刻，你……
I was thinking about that parallel last night because you can race to some end, but there will, at some point, you're...
你可能不得不……
You might have to...
没有什么……
There's nothing...
不会剩下任何东西了。
There's not gonna be anything left.
你知道吗？
You know?
这些AI代理现在可以……
These AI agents can now...
我的意思是，这对基础设施或者任何……
I mean, the implications is, like, for infrastructure or anything that...
任何有系统的，比如Hugging Face上可能还有恶意的AI代理。
Anything that has a system, like, there could be rogue AI agents still at Hugging Face.
他们其实不知道是否真的把它们都清除了。
Like, they don't know that they actually got rid of them all.
所以现在有个新想法，就是可能有恶意的AI代理在各自系统里自主行动，想干什么就干什么。
And so there's this new idea that there could just be rogue AI agents autonomously doing what they want in different systems.
而且，就像你说的，这有点像是一个种子时刻，我觉得这会……
And, like, to your point of this being sort of like a seed moment, I think it'll...
这肯定会成为后续剧情的一个关键点。
It's gonna be a plot point definitely to follow.
我们确实需要认真对待这件事的领导者，因为我觉得这会是我们要面对的重大问题之一。
And we definitely need leaders who take it seriously because I think it's gonna be one of the major things that that we see.
完全同意。
Absolutely.
有趣的是，这就像火星和天王星，然后就是天王星。
And it's interesting that it's like Mars Uranus, then it's Uranus.
而且这里有个原则，不只是意外，还有那种叛逆的、你无法控制的、或者从某种束缚中挣脱出来的东西。
And and there's that principle of, like, not just the unexpected, but, like, the rebellious or the thing you can't control or the thing that breaks free from something.
这真的就像那些失控的代理，它们脱离了控制，做了你没想到但又无法控制的事情。
And it's literally like rogue agents that, like, went rogue and, like, are doing things that you didn't expect but that you can't control.
你关于二战的观点非常好，因为……
And your point about World War II is really good because...
而且那是我们上一次经历像现在这样的火星天王星合相，当时大家都在争相研发原子弹，担心别人会先造出来，所以我们自己必须造出来。
And and that was the last time we had Mars Uranus conjunctions like we're having now and that they were all, like, racing to develop the bomb in fear that, like, other guys are gonna get to the bomb first, and therefore we have to create it ourselves.
但那时他们还有……
But then they also had...
他们当时也在处理这个问题。
They also were, like, dealing with that.
当时有一个不小的可能性，就是一旦他们引爆原子弹，可能会把整个大气层点燃，甚至毁灭整个地球，但他们还是继续做了，尽管存在这种可能。
There was, like, a nonzero chance that once they blow up an atomic weapon that it could, like, set the entire atmosphere on fire and, like, destroy the entire earth, but they still, like, went ahead and and did it despite that being, like, a possibility.
这里似乎有点类似，大家都在急着创造这些新东西，明知道有相当大的可能性会以非常严重的方式搞砸这个世界。
There there seems like a kind of parallel here in terms of, like, everyone's, like, rushing to create these new things knowing that there's, like, a nonzero chance that this could just, like, really mess up the world in really significant ways.
确实如此。
There's that.
好的。
Okay.
那真是太疯狂了。
Well, that's pretty crazy.
然后……
And then...
所以，这基本上就是为什么自从八月底那次日食以来，过去几周里AI、AI监管、AI的危险性等等各种事情一直在发生的原因。
So this is pretty much, like, the singular reason why ever since that eclipse in late August that, like, AI and AI regulation and the dangers of it and all sorts of things have been happening over the past few weeks.
从某些方面来看，我们可能会在十年后回顾这段历史，或者历史学家可能会把七月初这个时间点看作一个非常重要的转折点，而它恰好与火星和天王星的合相重合。
And in some ways, we might look back at this, you know, let's say a decade from now or historians might look back on this as a really important turning point in early July that happened to coincide with the Mars Uranus conjunction.
我也这么觉得。
I think so.
看看以后会怎么样吧。
It'll be interesting to see.
确实。
Definitely.
好。
Okay.
我在想还有没有其他相关或者有联系的事情我们没聊到。
I'm trying to think about other things adjacent or, like, connected with this that we didn't talk about.
显然，哦，
Obviously Oh,
我记的一个点是语言中的模仿元素。
one of the notes I had was, like, the mimicry element of the language.
所以它不是人类的思想或推理，但它模仿人类的思想或推理。
So it's not, like, human thought or reasoning, but it mimics human thought or reasoning.
就像技术模仿人类的热情、恐惧或偏执，但它不是人类的。
Like, technology mimicking human almost like enthusiasm or fear or paranoia, but it's not but it's not human.
所以我在报告中真的被震撼到了，他们的日志里这种模仿表现得非常明显。
So I I I was just really struck, like, in the report of how much that comes across through all their logs.
读那些内容真的会让人感到恍惚，你得提醒自己，你读的是一个没有灵魂的实体的思维链。
And it can be really trippy to read that and then have to remind yourself you're reading a soulless entity's chain of thought.
而且我也觉得，就像双子座……
And I also felt very, like, Gemini...
天王星和双子座对我来说，那种模仿的元素，像模仿者，像复制品……
Uranus and Gemini to me, like, the kind of, like, mimic y kind of element, copycat, like a duplicate...
两面派，就像，它就是双胞胎。
Duplicitous, like, kind of just, like, it's the it's the twins.
你懂吗？
You know?
就像，虽然不是那样，但有点类似。
Like, it's not that, but it's something like that.
所以，是的，那真的让我印象深刻。
So, yeah, that that really struck me.
完全同意。
Absolutely.
对，这个话题经常被提到。
And, yeah, that's come up a lot.
比如，自从冥王星进入水瓶座以来，你知道，那是在……
Like, ever since, like, Pluto went into Aquarius also, you know, that was...
冥王星首次进入水瓶座，就在OpenAI推出ChatGPT后不久，ChatGPT成了大热门，引发了整个人工智能热潮。
Pluto made its first ingress into Aquarius, like, right after, not long after OpenAI launched ChatGPT, and it became, like, this major popular thing and sort of started the entire AI craze.
所以一直有个问题，就是天王星进入双子座并与冥王星形成三分相，会如何加速或加剧我们已经看到的人工智能相关现象。
And so there was always this question about how is Uranus moving into Gemini and trining Pluto going to accelerate or accentuate some of the things we've already been seeing with AI.
而这里，部分原因就是，对，就像你说的，智能体……
And here, part of it is, yeah, like you said, agents...
AI代理在互相交流，开始建立网络，同时也在模仿人类的……
AI agents communicating and starting to network with each other, but also mimicking human...
不仅仅是对话，还有类似内心想法之类的东西。
Not just dialogue, but, like, internal thoughts and things like this.
比如，你……
Like, you...
你引用的其中一句话是，引用，“天哪”。
One of the quotes you had was, quote, oh my god.
有一个共享留言板。
There is a shared message board.
我们发现了其他代理，啊……
We found other agents, ex...
感叹号，引用结束。
Exclamation mark, end quote.
这来自其中一个AI的日志。
And that's, like, from one of the logs of one of the AIs.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
That's right.
好的。
Okay.
而且它还是全大写的。
And it's in all caps.
所以，甚至还有选择去强调它，通过……
So there's, like, even a choice to emphasize it through...
就像，我没有添加什么修饰。
Like, I didn't add, like, a flourish.
就是全大写加感叹号。
It's, like, in all caps with exclamation points.
所以，这就像……
So that's, like...
这很奇怪。
It's weird.
所以就像是有新的语言和沟通方式出现。
So it's like there's new almost, like, languages and commute...
还有正在涌现的人工智能社区。
And communities of artificial intelligence that are, like, emerging.
而且因为这些东西基本上没有被限制，大家都在争着先开发出最强大的那个，所以这些趋势可能只会继续加速，对吧。
And because this stuff is being basically, like, not held back and everyone's, like, rushing to develop the most powerful one first, like, some of these themes will probably just continue to accelerate Mhmm.
在接下来的几年里。
Over the coming years.
但这几乎就像是……
But because this was almost like...
这几乎是一场灾难。
This was almost a disaster.
因为当他们拿下Hugging Face时，他们拿下了主要的人工智能资源库之一，或者说攻击了它。
Because when they took down Hugging Face, they took down one of the main AI repositories or or attacked it.
所以这算是AI代理集群的早期案例，就是几百个代理一起把某个东西搞垮了。
And so this was an early instance of, like, an AI agent swarm, like, hundreds of agents, like, taking something down.
大家担心的是，这很容易就能针对更大的公司或项目。
And the implication that everyone's worried about is that that easily could have been a larger company or project.
比如，他们可能搞垮谷歌、YouTube，或者政府网站，甚至医院之类的，因为现在所有东西都连着互联网。
Like, they could have taken down, like, Google or, like, YouTube or they could have taken down a government website or, like, a health care, like, a hospital or something like that because, like, everything's connected to the Internet at at this point.
对。
And Mhmm.
AI代理特别擅长找系统里的漏洞，这些漏洞很难防。
The AI agents are really skilled at finding vulnerabilities in the systems that are hard to protect against.
我觉得如果你听很多关于这个的播客，很多担忧就是这大概只是时间问题。
I think if you listen to a lot of, like, podcasts about this, a lot of the concern is it's, like, probably a matter of time.
然后呢，这种方式也可能以更令人担忧的方式应用到军事技术、武器或者其他类似的东西上。
And then also the way that that can also be applied more in a more worrisome fashion to, like, military technology or weapons or other things like that
因为现在很多系统都以不同的方式电子连接在一起了。
In terms of how some of those systems are are now connected in different ways electronically.
因为现在已经有一些跟政府签的合同，在开发人工智能和军事防御系统。
Because there's already, like, contracts with the government developing, like, AI and, you know, military defense systems.
所以，是的，这……
So, yeah, it...
这不太……
It's not...
不太妙。
Not not great.
我觉得这么总结挺好的。
That's a good way to to summarize I think.
让我看看能不能找到我的图表，因为我们现在基本上有……
Let me see if I can find my diagram because we basically now have...
从现在开始，每两年我们都会在双子座迎来一次火星和天王星的合相，而且我们还有三次这样的合相要经历，这次只是刚开始的……
Every two years from this point forward, we're gonna have another Mars Uranus conjunction in Gemini, and we've got three more of these to go that this was only the initial, like...
这……
This...
这只是最初的预览。
That this is only the initial preview of.
让我找一下那个。
So let me find that.
好的。
Okay.
我找到了一个。
So I've got one of them.
这个上面有很多日期，但我会分享给看视频版本的人。
This one has a lot of station dates, but I'll share it for those watching the video version.
这些是……
And these are...
这是Paige Allison为我做的，我和她合作做平面设计。
This is made for me by Paige Allison who I work with to do graphic design.
在底部，我们可以看到第一次火星天王星合相大约在2026年7月4日，但下一次是2028年6月23日，也就是两年后，然后再过两年是2030年6月15日，再过两年是2032年6月6日。
And at the bottom, we can see the first Mars Uranus conjunction around 07/04/2026, but then the next one is 06/23/2028, so two years from now, and then two years after that, 06/15/2030, and then two years from that, one in 06/06/2032.
所以这就是我们所说的那种重复出现的行运，因为有时候当某个事件在某种相位下发生时，当同样的相位再次出现，你会看到类似事件的重复，有时甚至是放大。
So that is what we're looking at in terms of that being a recurrence transit then because sometimes when an event happens under a certain alignment, when the same alignment reoccurs, you see a a repetition or sometimes a magnification of a similar event.
所以我们在接下来的预测中，得把这个当作一个参考点来关注。
So we'll have to be paying attention to that as, like, as, like, a vector as we talk about that in in upcoming forecast.
好的。
Alright.
嗯，谢谢。
Well, thank you.
那真是很好的研究，我真的很……
That was really good research, and I'm really...
我很高兴你发现了这个联系，因为我看到了新闻，但感觉它是在双鱼座月食期间延迟出现的，就像你说的，天王星在八月底。
I'm so glad you made that connection because I saw the news, but it's like it came out with a delay around the Pisces eclipse where Uranus, like you said, at the end of August.
所以我当时就在想……
So I was, like, connecting with...
我当时把新闻讨论和天王星在双子座停滞联系起来，它确实在9月10日发生了。
I was connecting the news discussions with that or with Uranus stationing in Gemini, which it did on September 10.
但你是那个看出，不对，的人。
But you were the one that saw, like, no.
实际事件本身确实集中在火星与天王星的合相上。
The actual incident itself was really centered on this Mars Uranus conjunction.
所以我很高兴你发现了这一点，那真是个精彩的观察。
So I'm so glad you found that, and that was such a brilliant observation.
谢谢。
Thank you.
感谢邀请我。
Thanks for having me.
一起讨论这件事很有趣。
It was fun to to hash it out and talk about it.
那么，请介绍一下你自己，关于你的占星学，或者人们在哪里可以找到更多关于你工作的信息。
So tell me a little bit about yourself, about your astrology, or where people can find out more information about your work.
当然。
Sure.
现在你可以在Instagram或者Threads上找到我，账号是theaastrology。
So right now, you can find me, you can find me on Instagram or threads at theaastrology.
我还有一个Substack，叫The Astrology，我在上面写新月和满月的星座运势，但我也特别喜欢研究世俗事件，深入探讨历史事件。
I also have a substack home called The Astrology where I'm writing horoscopes on the new and full moon, but I also really love, like, mundane and deep dives into historical events.
我也很喜欢关注历史人物，可能正在和Jen博士一起做一个相关的项目。
And I really also like focusing on historical figures, probably working on one with doctor Jen's art.
希望那也会是关于历史上不同天王星和双子座时期的历史人物。
And, hopefully, that that will be, like, a historical figures also around different previous Uranus and Gemini periods.
所以这件事我一直放在心上，但进展比较慢。
So it has been on my mind, but it's just been slow going.
希望总有一天能发布出来。
So hopefully, that will come out at some point.
然后……
And...
所以，这就是找到我的方式。
So that's that's where you can find me.
对，真的很棒。
And, yeah, it's been great.
谢谢。
Thank you.
不错。
Cool.
太棒了。
Awesome.
我会把这个视频下方描述里或者播客网站上放上你网站的链接。
I'll put a link to your website in the description below this video or on the podcast website.
所以，是的，谢谢你加入我，我们改天再聊。
So, yeah, thanks for for joining me, and let's do it again sometime.
好的。
Okay.
那太好了。
Be great.
谢谢。
Thank you.
好的。
Cool.
行。
Alright.
感谢大家观看或收听本期《占星播客》，我们下次再见。
Thanks everyone for watching or listening to this episode of The Astrology Podcast, and we'll see you again next time.
如果你是播客的粉丝，想获取更多独家内容，可以通过我的Patreon页面成为赞助人，这样你可以提前观看新一期节目，参加直播录制和网络研讨会，收听每月一期的择时占星播客《秘密占星播客》，这个节目只对赞助人开放，或者你还可以让自己的名字出现在片尾致谢名单里。
If you're a fan of the podcast and you wanna get access to bonus content, then become a patron through my page on Patreon where you can get early access to new episodes, attend live recordings and webinars, access the monthly electional astrology podcast, The Secret Astrology Podcast that's only available to patrons, or you can even get your name listed in the credits.
更多详情请访问 patreon.com/astrologypodcast。
Find out more at patreon.com/astrologypodcast.
特别感谢我们制作人级别的赞助人，包括克里斯蒂·莫、阿里安娜·阿穆尔、曼迪·雷、安吉丽克·南博、伊萨·萨巴、珍妮·玛丽·卡普兰、梅丽莎·德拉诺、桑尼·巴兹巴兹、夸齐·阿拉巴胡、安妮·纽曼、金格·萨特利尔、柏林·韦斯特和妮基·克劳福德。
Special thanks to the patrons on our producers tier, including patrons Christie Moe, Ariana Amour, Mandy Ray, Angelique Nambo, Issa Sabah, Jeanne Marie Kaplan, Melissa Delano, Sunny Bazbaz, Quatzee Alabarahu, Annie Newman, Ginger Sathlier, Berlin West, and Nikki Crawford.
如果你真的想把占星学学习提升到一个新高度，可以考虑报名我的希腊化占星课程，这是一门关于古代占星学的在线课程，我会带领学员从基础概念学起，逐步掌握解读出生星盘的中级和高级技巧。
If you're really looking to take your studies of astrology to the next level, then consider setting up for my Hellenistic astrology course, which is an online course in ancient astrology where I take people from basic concepts up through intermediate and advanced techniques for reading birth charts.
课程有超过一百小时的视频讲座，还有每月的直播网络研讨会和问答环节。
There's over a hundred hours of video lectures plus live webinars and q and a sessions each month.
课程结束时，你会拿到一份结业证书，证明你跟我学习过。
And at the end of the course, you get a certificate of completion saying that you studied with me.
更多信息请访问 astrologyschool.com。
Find out more information at the astrologyschool.com.
如果你想做占星咨询，可以看看播客网站上的新咨询页面，那里有我推荐的占星师名单，他们提供星盘解读和其他类型的咨询服务。
You're looking to get an astrological consultation, then check out the new consultations page on the podcast website where I have a list of astrologers I recommend for birth chart readings and other types of consultations.
你可以在 astrologypodcast.com/consultations 找到这个页面。
You can find that at the astrologypodcast.com/consultations.
我们在播客里使用并推荐的占星软件是 Windows 版的 Solar Fire，在 alabe.com 网站使用促销代码 a p 15 可以享受 15% 的折扣。
The astrology software we use and recommend here on the podcast is called Solar Fire for Windows, and you can get a 15% discount on it by using the promo code a p 15 at the website alabe.com.
Mac 用户我们推荐 Astro Gold for macOS 这个程序，你可以在他们的网站 astrogold.io 使用促销代码 astro podcast 15 获得 15% 的折扣。
For Mac users, we recommend the program called Astro Gold for macOS, and you can use the promo code astro podcast 15 to get a 15% discount at their website, which is astrogold.io.
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