占星学中的第四宫

正如我所说，丽莎目前正在处理家庭事务。

So as I said, Lisa's away dealing with family matters.

她稍后会短暂露面。

She's going to make a little appearance later.

我主要使用名人星盘，因为他们的生活有详细记录。

I'm mainly using celebrity charts here because their lives are well documented.

尽管我确实录制了一期单独的节目，采访了一些普通听众（赞助人）关于他们的第四宫，这期节目将在本集之后发布，目前已经在Patreon上供早期访问者观看。

Although I did record a separate episode just interviewing normal people, patrons about their fourth house that I'll release after this that's already available for early access on Patreon.

这两种方式都很有帮助。

And it's like both of those are helpful.

同时做这两件事是很好的。

It's good to do both things.

但就本集的目的而言，因为这是研究，我想展示第四宫的含义，所以我正在做的部分工作是，主要通过有详细记录的人的生活来证明第四宫的含义，尤其是那些有传记、纪录片或维基百科条目记载的人。

But for the purpose of this, because this is research and I want to demonstrate what the fourth house means, part of what I'm doing is I want to prove what it means by using the lives of documented people primarily and especially people that for example have biographies written about them or have documentaries about them or have even Wikipedia entries.

因为当我提到某人的生活时，别人可以去核实，说：‘是的，这是真的。’

Because then when I say something about a person's life, somebody can go and verify it and say, Yes, that's true.

那对这个人生活的描述是准确的。

That was an accurate statement about that person's life.

要么他们也可以说，不对，这个描述不准确，或是有其他别的看法。

Or they can say, No, that wasn't an accurate statement or whatever.

但对我来说，这个验证的过程十分重要，因为我目前所做的工作的一部分，就是要展示并尽力证明星盘里的不同部分各自代表的客观含义。

But that process of verifying is important to me because part of what I'm doing here is demonstrating and trying to prove what different parts of the chart mean objectively.

所以我得跟大家把这事说清楚，毕竟有时候大家会不明白为什么我们主要分析名人或知名人士的星盘，希望这么解释大家能理解。

So I wanted to let people know because sometimes people are uncertain why we're mainly focused on celebrity or notable figure charts, if that makes sense.

对，这才是关键。

Yeah, that's the key.

这倒未必和这个人本身是谁有关，而是取决于我们能获取到多少关于这个人的人生信息——而符合这个条件的往往是那些因为各种各样的原因拥有知名度的人。

It's not necessarily who the person is, but just how much information we have about a given person's life, which very often is someone who's notable for whatever reason.

不过录制第四宫这期节目的亮点在于，我想随着我们列举案例，观众们都会发现，哪怕是超级有名的人，第四宫对他们的意义，往往和他们出名的原因最多只有一点牵强的关联，甚至可能毫无关系。

The great thing about doing the fourth house episode though, and I think the audience will find this as we go through the examples, in a lot of instances, the the whatever the fourth house means to the individual, even if there's someone super famous, it'll only have a tangential relationship, if any relationship at all, to what the person is famous for.

所以哪怕我们聊的是电影明星、摇滚明星或是其他领域的知名人士，第四宫对应的依然是他们的私人生活、家庭生活，而非他们为人熟知、被奉为偶像的那些标签，而是关起门来他们真实的样子，以及当他们不再专注于事业、或是那些让他们成名的事物时，真正占据他们生活的是什么。

So even if we're talking about movie stars or rock stars or what have you, 4th house matters still have to do with their private lives, their homes, not the things that they're known for, that they're icons for, but who they were, you know, behind closed doors and what really preoccupied them when they weren't focused on their art or whatever it was that made them famous.

所以，你可以随意使用任何名人来讨论第四宫。

So there's nothing, you know, you can use all the celebrities you want to talk about the fourth house.

只有偶尔，你才会触及到真正与他们成名原因相关的事情。

Only once in a while are you touching on matters that actually pertain to what made them famous or what makes them notable.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我们常常关注的是他们生活中一些独特的部分和传记，但真正酷的是，我们讨论这些人并不是因为他们是名人，而是因为他们的生平有详细记录。

I mean, sometimes they are often what we'll focus on is distinctive parts of their life and their biography, but that's what's so cool is we're often not talking about these people because they're celebrities, we're talking about them because their lives are documented.

因此，当你指出他们第四宫的某些特别之处时，这些内容其实也适用于普通人，尽管我们讨论的是名人，这正是我们关注它的原因。

Therefore sometimes when you point out something especially about their fourth house, it's something that is applicable to normal people as well even though we're talking about a celebrity and that's why we focus on it.

对，正是如此。

Yeah, exactly.

好的。

All right.

不过与此相关的是，丽莎提到一点：要全面捕捉一位名人第四宫的信息可能很难，因为这本质上是个人生活中最私密的部分之一。

So connected with that though, one of the points Lisa made is that it can be hard to capture everything about a celebrity's fourth house because it's by definition one of the more private parts of a person's life.

所以肯定会有我们忽略的内容，还有我们不了解的情况，以及其他类似的问题。

So there's going to be things that we overlook, there's going to be things that we don't know, other additional things like that.

但我们研究名人以及那些生平有详细记录的人的星盘时，依然能收获不少东西。

But we'll still be able to learn quite a bit studying the charts of famous people and people whose lives are documented.

不过有些时候，直接和当事人交流能了解到更多信息。

But sometimes it's by talking to people directly that you can learn even more.

这一点在客户咨询中体现得很明显，当你真的能向对方询问他们的星盘和生活相关的问题时，就能感受到这一点。

This really comes out in client sessions or it comes out when you can actually ask a person about their chart and their life.

这就是我们在那个专门和赞助会员们录制的第四宫专属节目里深入探讨的话题之一，你在那期节目里就能了解到这点。

That's one of the things that you'll see as we got into some pretty deep discussions in the separate episode I did on the fourth house with patrons.

一定要去听听那期节目，它能帮你更全面地理解，当直接和人们聊他们的星盘时，那种贴合个人、更具私密性的解读是什么样的。

Definitely check that out for more balance into what that individual or more personal approach can look like in terms of talking to people about their chart directly.

对，完全没错。

Yeah, absolutely.

只要有条件，如果一位名人公开过自己的日记、手账或者自传，你就能从这些资料里挖到更多和这个人第四宫相关的线索。

Whenever possible, if a famous person has published their diaries or their journals or an autobiography, that's where you might get more of that sort of fourth house insight into that person.

或者如果是一部由非常了解这个人的人所写的著作，你就能真正窥见幕后的真相。

Or if it's a work written by someone who knew the person very well and you really are getting a peek behind the curtain so to speak.

但根据定义，这通常是难以获取的。

But it generally inaccessible by definition.

第四宫是我们对任何人了解最少的部分，除非他们主动提供相关信息。

The fourth house is what we know least about any given person unless they volunteer the information.

是的。

Yeah.

通过我们的例子，我们会发现至少我们掌握了不少信息，但研究起来仍然可能很棘手。

And we'll see through our examples at least we know quite a bit, but it can still be tricky to research.

快速重申一下之前提到的其他内容：我们主要采用传统占星术，并融合了一些现代占星术，形成两者的综合体系，但我们的重点将更多放在外部事件上，试图验证各宫位的传统象征意义。

To reiterate some other things from previous ones really quickly, we are doing traditional astrology with some modern astrology blended in, of a synthesis of the two, But our focus will be more on external events and trying to confirm some of the traditional significations of the houses.

我可能会录制一段后续讨论，深入探讨第四宫的心理层面，但那并非本集的主要焦点。

I may record a follow-up talk where we go into more psychological stuff about the fourth house, but that's not necessarily our main focus for the purpose of this episode.

当你直接采访人们，让他们反思自己的过去和类似事情时，这一点会更加清晰地显现出来。

And it's something that comes out more clearly when you're interviewing people directly where they can reflect on their past and things like that.

我之前已经提过几次了，那就是在数据库中，男性的出生时间记录更多。

Another one that I've mentioned a few times now is that we do have more time charts for men in the databases.

因此，这导致了数据库的偏差，有时在搜索和寻找好的案例时，会出现更多的男性案例。

As a result of that, that skews the databases and skews research sometimes where if you're searching and trying to find good examples of things, sometimes there's more men that come up.

但我在本集中已经尽量平衡这一点，更加留意使用不同性别的案例来保持均衡。

But I've tried to balance that as much as I can in this episode and to be more conscientious of trying to balance out the different examples used.

尽管如此，这个问题仍然存在。

Nonetheless, there's still that issue.

但希望随着越来越多的占星师加入这个社群，参与这项研究并收集出生数据，未来世代的占星师在从事这项工作、积极收集他们感兴趣的名人或读过其传记并能获取出生时间的人的资料时，这种不平衡会逐渐改善。

But hopefully, as more astrologers come into the community and take part in this research and try to collect birth data, that'll start to be balanced out more with future generations of astrologers who are doing this work and actively trying to collect the birth times of celebrities that they're interested in or people whose biography that they've read and are able to get the birth time for some reason.

是的，这种不平衡在政治和科学领域最为明显。

Yeah, certainly in politics and the sciences is where this imbalance is most prevalent.

你知道，历史上有很多女性，比如艺术家、女演员和音乐家。

You know, there have been plenty of women, you know, artists and actresses and musicians.

但很明显，政治和科学领域长期以来基本将女性排除在外，所以我们确实缺少很多她们的资料。

But we know very well, I mean, politics and science, Women have largely been shut out of those fields for a very long time and so yeah we just don't have as many of them.

和我们掌握了数据的来自这些领域的男性人数相比，女性的数据要少得多。这其实就是我们过往社会状态的一种体现，社会中曾经存在的性别失衡，如今也反映在了我们现有的统计资料里。

In you know, relative to the number of men whose data, we have who come from those fields So it's just a reflection of where we've come from and the imbalance that has existed in society is reflected in data that we have to present.

对，没错。

Yeah, for sure.

不过令人欣慰的是，这种情况正在发生变化，我们也开始逐步收集到更多数据了。

But that's nice that it's something that's changing and we're starting to get.

而且我之前发出了征集星盘的呼吁，最后也收到了大量非常棒的案例。

And in putting out a call for charts, was able to get a great amount of really great examples sent in.

大家在评论区还经常问另一个问题：如果星盘里某个宫位是空的，那你就去看掌管这个宫位的守护星。

Other things people often ask in the comments, if a house is empty, then you look at the planet that rules that house.

这就是那个问题的答案，而这部分内容正是我们会在本期节目的第二部分里讲解的内容。

That's the answer to that question and that's what we're going to deal with in part two of this episode.

接下来我们计划聊聊各类人物的生平，但要讲完、梳理好一个人的故事和经历显然需要耗费不少时间。

Next, our goal is to talk about people's biographies, but obviously that takes time to tell their story and present it.

不过我们一定会把这件事做足做实，投入它所需要的全部时间。

But we're going to give that the time that it needs.

今天我和尼克的目标是坐在这里，花一整天时间讨论我的研究和他的研究，我们以两个朋友的身份免费与公众分享，因为我们真的热爱这个领域，并在研究这个主题时发现了一些非常精彩的内容，想与世界分享。

Our purpose today between me and Nick is we're going to sit here and spend the day talking about my research and his research as two friends that are just sharing it with the public for free because we truly enjoy this and have found some really cool stuff in researching this topic that we wanted to share with the world.

这就像是你和朋友坐在一起，聊上几个小时你们正在做和研究的事情，这正是我们想重现的那种氛围。

So it's sort of like if you sat together with a friend and then just talked for hours about stuff you've been working on and researching, that's kind of what this is supposed to replicate.

这可能不是最简洁的方式，但我们的目的是推动占星研究，建立一种提升占星学研究标准的传承。

It's not the most concise thing, but the purpose is to advance astrological research and to create a sort of legacy of raising the bar in astrological studies.

因此，无论需要付出多少努力、花费多少时间，我都愿意去做。

So I'm willing to do what it takes to do that however long it takes.

是的，你说得完全对。

Yeah, but you're absolutely right.

如果你不做这个播客，我们即使只是私下聊天，也会自然而然地进行这种对话和探讨。

If you weren't doing a podcast, this is the kind of conversation and the kind of thing we'd be doing for fun anyway, even if it was just between you and I.

所以没错，你说得完全对。

So yeah, you're absolutely right.

这就是我们所做的，以及我们做事的方式。

This is what we do and how we do it.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, exactly.

我非常喜欢这一点。

And I love it.

我的意思是，就在几天前，我刚跟你说过这一点。

I mean, that was one of the things I told you just a few nights ago.

我喜欢了解人们的生活。

I love learning about people's lives.

我喜欢把他们的生活和他们的星盘进行对比，看看星盘如何以不同方式体现，并获得这种验证。

I love comparing it to their charts and seeing how their charts play out in different ways and getting that confirmation.

这是我最喜欢占星术的方面之一。

It's one of my things that I love the most about astrology.

所以这就是为什么我对做像这一期这样的节目感到兴奋。

So that's why I'm excited to do episodes like this one.

所以最后一点是，有时我会考虑把这类内容设为付费内容，尤其是当人们抱怨内容太长的时候。

So the last point is sometimes I think about putting the material like this behind a paywall, especially when people complain about the length.

但对我来说，把这些研究内容分享出来很重要，这样才能增进我们的理解，造福整个社群。

But for me, it's important to put this research out there in order to advance our understanding and benefit the community.

所以如果你认可我做的这些内容，欢迎在评论区告诉我，也可以考虑通过成为赞助人来支持我的工作，帮我完成这个长篇系列——我们还有很多宫位的内容要讲解呢。

So if you appreciate this work, then let me know in the comments and consider supporting the work by becoming a patron to help me get through this long series where we still got a lot of houses to go.

对，我们才刚完成四分之一的内容，等这期做完也才刚到这个进度。

Yeah, we're only a quarter of the way through or we will be once we're done with this one.

而且，你在Patreon上提供的内容真的很丰富。

And yeah, what you offer on your Patreon is there's a lot.

内容量真的很足。

There's a lot.

不管大家捐赠了多少，都能收获超多内容，真的很值。

You get a lot for whatever someone contributes, so it's really worth it.

没错。

Right.

而这些支持者让我能坚持做这件事，把内容公开出来让所有人都能受益，我真的非常感激。

And those people allow me to do this, put it out there in the public for everyone's benefit, I appreciate it a lot.

最后，我想特别感谢几位协助我完成这一集的研究助理。

Last thing I just wanted to give a special shout out to, I had different research assistants that helped me with this episode.

我要特别感谢丽莎·谢姆，她不仅帮助了我，还提供了大量示例图表，其中一些她稍后会亲自来展示。

And I want to give a shout out to Lisa Scheim of course that helped me and actually came up with a bunch of example charts, some of which she's going to come in and present later.

当然，尼克·达根·贝斯特与我紧密合作，完成了所有研究工作，并找到了许多图表示例。

NickDagan Best, of course, I worked with extremely closely doing all this research and found a bunch of chart examples.

我也想感谢你，你听说过他吗？

I wanted to thank also You've heard of him?

卡米尔·米歇尔·格雷相貌英俊，他也提供了大量帮助，并提交了许多示例。

He's a pretty handsome Camille Michelle Gray was also a major help and submitted a number of examples.

每次我使用她提交的示例时，我都会告诉大家。

And I'll let people know each time I use an example that she submitted.

来自Twitter上OC占星术的奥拉也提交了资料，做了大量出色的研究，并从第一集开始就一直协助我至今。

Orla from OC Astrology on Twitter also submitted and did a bunch of great research and has been helping me throughout this entire series all the way since the first episode.

我们还得到了林赛·特纳的研究协助，她找到了许多优秀的星盘示例。

We also had research help from Lindsey Turner who found a bunch of great chart examples.

我还想感谢AstroSeek的Peter Serala，因为他最近在我请求帮助时，集成了一项新功能：你现在可以在他的数据库中搜索拥有上升星座守护星落入第四宫，或第十宫守护星落入第四宫的名人星盘。

I also wanted to thank Peter Serala from AstroSeek because he recently integrated a feature when I asked him for help and if this could be integrated into his website where you can now search for celebrity charts in his database that have either the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house or the ruler of the tenth house in the fourth house.

这帮助我找到了一些原本无法找到的额外星盘案例。

And that helped me to find some additional chart examples that I wouldn't have been able to find otherwise.

这太棒了。

That's fantastic.

是的，他的网站非常好。

Yeah, his site is so good.

如果你们还没去过AstroSeek，现在就去吧。

If you haven't been to AstroSeek folks, go there.

是的。

Yeah.

实际上，说到你为这项研究和整个系列所做的贡献之一，就是你通过Solar Fire收集了大量时间准确的名人星盘，并将这些数据录入Solar Fire，然后在你的网站上出售这些文件。

And actually speaking of in terms of one of the ways that you actually contributed to this research and have for this series is through your databases in Solar Fire where you've collected a bunch of timed celebrity charts and you've entered that data into Solar Fire and then you've made those files available for sale on your website.

因此，我得以搜索你Solar Fire中的数据库，让它给我找出所有上升星座守护星落在第四宫的星盘。

And as a result of that, I've been able to search through your database in Solar Fire and tell it, Give me every chart that has the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house.

我自己也建立了一个数据库，过去十年一直在收集各种星盘，但你的数据库里的星盘数量要多得多，因为你从事这项工作的时间比我长得多。

And I have my own database I've been building up over the past decade that has a bunch of charts, but your database has a ton more charts because you've been doing that for much longer than I have.

所以我想感谢你为此所做的贡献，同时也告诉大家，他们其实可以在你的网站上购买你的数据库，对吧？

So I want to thank you for that and also tell people that they can actually purchase your database on your website, right?

他们可以购买我数据库中的文件。

They can purchase files from my database.

我的整个数据库规模庞大，但大部分内容尚未公开，不过将来某一天会开放的。

My entire database is enormous and most of it is not made available yet, although at some point it will be.

但是的，我会提供一些文件供人购买。

But yeah, I make files available.

我有一个所谓的通用本命文件，就是人们的基本出生星盘，不包含任何事件信息。

There's there's a what's what I call a general natal file, which is just you know people's nativities, no events.

此外，我的网站上还提供一些国家历史文件，比如你可以购买美国历史文件或俄罗斯历史文件。

And then a bunch of on my site, make available some sort of national history files, so you can buy like an American history file or a Russian history file.

目前只有几个国家的文件。

There's a few countries.

之后我还会补充更多国家的文件。

I'll be adding more.

西班牙和葡萄牙的相关文件应该很快就会上线。

Spain and Portugal will probably come soon.

对。

Yeah.

不过大家能用这些文件做很多事，比如说用它们来学习占星术，或是满足自己的好奇心。

But there's the you know, there's a lot you can do with these files in terms of, you know, using them to learn astrology or or satisfy curiosity.

你懂的吧？

You know?

挺不错的。

Cool.

对的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

那个，应该没错，对的。

Well, should Yeah.

大家快去了解一下这件事。

Check that People should check that out.

我会把你网站的链接放在这个视频的简介里，同时也会放在这一集播客的网站条目里。

I'll put a link to your website in the description below this video as well as on the podcast website entry for this episode.

最后，还要感谢各位赞助者，他们提交了星盘示例或是名人星盘；另外还有不少社交媒体上的网友，当时我发出征集之后，也都提交了相关素材。

Finally, also thanks to patrons that have sent in chart examples or celebrity charts as well as a bunch of people on social media when I put out a call for them sent in submissions as well.

其中有些内容会在我们第二部分讲到宫位守护星的时候专门展开讨论。

And some of those will especially come up when we get to the rulers of the houses in part two.

好了，我觉得这部分就讲到这里。

All right, I think that's it.

那我们接下来转入星盘案例分析，开始聊聊上升点守护星的相关内容：如果上升点守护星落入某个人出生星盘的第四宫，会是什么情况？这一点非常重要，因为它会引导盘主的人生围绕第四宫相关的议题展开，而且这种影响比第四宫议题在其他人生命里的体现要更突出、更关键。

So why don't we transition into chart examples and start talking about the ruler of the Ascendant and what it looks like when the ruler of the Ascendant is placed in the fourth house in a person's birth chart and how important that is in terms of directing the native's life towards fourth house topics in a way that's actually even more striking and more significant than fourth house topics are in the lives of other people.

好的，我们来看第一个上升点守护星落第四宫的星盘案例，也就是亚历山大·格雷厄姆·贝尔，大家都公认他是电话的发明者。

All right, let's jump into our first chart example of the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house which is Alexander Graham Bell who is widely credited as being the inventor of the telephone.

这就是亚历山大·格雷厄姆·贝尔的星盘。

So here's Alexander Graham Bell's chart.

他的上升星座是双鱼座，双鱼座的传统守护星木星落入双子座，也就是整宫制的第四宫。

He has Pisces rising with Jupiter, the traditional ruler of Pisces located in Gemini in the fourth whole sign house.

这是一个日间星盘，星盘中位于第四宫的上升守护星木星，和位于第一宫双鱼座的第四宫守护星水星形成了互容格局。

This is a day chart and he actually has a mutual reception between Jupiter, the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house and the ruler of the fourth house, which is Mercury, which is placed in Pisces in the first house.

这在这个星盘中体现了第一宫和第四宫之间存在强烈的联结。

So it shows a strong connection with the first house and the fourth house in this chart.

关于亚历山大·格雷厄姆·贝尔，有一件很有意思的事：所有人都知道他发明了电话。

And one of the that's interesting about Alexander Graham Bell is everybody knows him as being the inventor of the telephone.

但其实在成长过程中，他的父母对他影响极深，父母身上和听力相关的种种状况，成为了他们生活里、以及贝尔和他们的相处中的核心议题，这深刻影响了贝尔后来的职业道路。

But growing up, he was actually deeply affected by both of his parents, deeply influenced his future career due to having different things related to hearing as a major topic in terms of their lives and his relationship with them.

尤其是他的母亲对他影响深远，在贝尔12岁那年，他的母亲开始逐渐失聪。

Especially he was deeply affected by his mother who gradually started becoming deaf when he was 12 years old.

正因如此，他学会了用各种不同的方式和母亲沟通，举个例子，他还自创了一套手指手语，这样就能坐在母亲身边，把家里正在进行的对话悄悄用指尖敲出来传达给她。

And as a result of that, he learned to communicate with her in different ways, such as, for example, at one point he developed this manual finger language so that he could sit at her side and tap out silently the conversations that were happening at home.

他和她非常亲近。

And he was very close to her.

他后来还开发出一种技巧，通过直接对着母亲的前额用清晰而有节奏的语调说话，让她能相当清楚地听到。

He also eventually developed a technique for speaking in these really clear modulated tones directly into his mother's forehead where she'd be able to hear him with reasonable clarity.

因此，他对母亲失聪的专注促使他研究声学，而这最终引导他走向了电话的发明。

So his preoccupation with his mother's deafness actually led him to study acoustics which then of course ends up leading him into the entire thing that would eventually lead to the development of the telephone.

有趣的是，他的父亲也长期从事与聋人相关的工作。

Interestingly, his father also worked extensively with deaf people.

他的父亲教亚历山大·格雷厄姆·贝尔发音和唇读。

And his father taught Alexander Graham Bell, his son, elocution and how to read lips.

因此，在亚历山大·格雷厄姆·贝尔的一生中存在着一种有趣的双重性：一方面，他因发明了供听力正常者使用的东西而闻名；

So there's this interesting dualism throughout Alexander Graham Bell's life where on the one hand, you know, he's known for creating something that could be used by people who can hear.

另一方面，他也因与聋人合作而广为人知。

And on the other hand, he's also actually known for working with the deaf.

因此，我找到的一句引语说：‘在他的一生中，贝尔致力于将聋人和听力障碍者融入听觉世界。’

So one quote that I found said, quote, throughout his lifetime Bell sought to integrate the deaf and the hard of hearing with the hearing world.

他鼓励言语治疗和唇读，而非手语，这一点在今天看来有些争议。

And he encouraged speech therapy and lip reading over sign language, which is a little bit controversial today.

但这是他在聋人社区历史中的一种立场和影响力。

But it was like one of sort of his positions and influence in terms of the history of the Deaf community.

他还对遗传学深感兴趣，这也是与第四宫相关的一个话题。

He was also deeply interested in heredity, which is another topic that comes up with the fourth house.

这种兴趣部分源于他与聋人社区的工作，因为他观察到了家庭中耳聋的模式。

And this interest stemmed partly from his work with the deaf community because he observed patterns of deafness within families.

因此，他也试图在这一背景下研究和理解这一现象。

So he was trying to study that and understand it in that context as well.

但这是我举的第一个例子，因为在他的情况下，父母对他后来的生活和工作产生了深远影响。

But that's my first example just because of how profoundly in his instance his parents influenced his later life and work.

是的，这是一个绝佳的例子。

Yeah, it's a fantastic example.

而且这也是木星与水星之间关系的一个很好的例证。

And also I think a really great illustration of between that Jupiter and Mercury.

这正是互容通常运作的方式：它们会把原本可能是挑战的事情，找到解决方案，或者以某种方式转化为优势，把劣势变成某种优势。

That's exactly how mutual receptions often work is they take something that would otherwise be a challenge and either find a solution or somehow turn it into a you know put it in a in a in the plus column, so to speak, take a disadvantage and turn it into some kind of.

转化为优势，甚至直接解决问题。所以，关于人与人之间的沟通、表达能力，以及水星和木星在四个变动星座中所涉及的种种问题，在他的星盘中，由于这两颗行星都处于角宫并形成互容，得到了极大增强——通常情况下，这两颗行星在命盘中可能处于劣势，但互容却能扭转局面，使它们成为优势。

Advantage, if not outright you know resolving the problem so yeah the I mean you know the whole question of communication between people and being articulate and all these things that come between Mercury and Jupiter in the four mutable signs is really bolstered in his chart by virtue of both planets being angular and the mutual reception, which just sort of takes these two planets up can typically be sort of at a disadvantage in nativity and sort of turn them around and make them an asset.

完全正确，是的。

Totally, yeah.

互容非常重要。

Mutual receptions are really important.

我们将会看到的一点，也是在我的研究中反复出现的：只要两个宫位之间存在互容，就非常强烈地将这两个宫位的主题以某种方式连接起来。

And one of the things that we'll see and one of the things that's come up really strongly in my research is anytime there's a mutual reception between two houses, it very strongly connects the topics of those two houses in some way.

这表明，这两个宫位的主题将成为这个人生命中非常突出的特征。

And it tells you that those two house topics are going to be a very prominent feature in the person's life.

但你提到的这一点也很重要：互容还能抵消或大幅减轻由于行星得失位所导致的星座层面的弱势。

But your point also that mutual receptions can also kind of cancel out or mitigate heavily any sign based debility that comes about as a result of the dignities and debilities of the planets.

在这个例子中，木星位于其落陷的星座，而水星则位于其落陷和fall的星座。

In this instance, Jupiter being in the sign of its detriment and Mercury being in the sign of its detriment and the sign of its fall.

这也不复杂，但一个人的星盘中经常会出现多个指向同一事物的征兆。

It's also not complicated, but there's also frequently multiple indications of the same thing in a person's chart.

他星盘中一个突出的特点是，太阳、土星和水星都位于同一个星座，并且都在上升星座中形成合相。

One of the things that comes up with him is that he had a Sun, Saturn, Mercury co presence or sign based conjunction in the same sign all in the rising sign.

因此，水星和土星之间的这种联系，也呼应了他生活中的一些主题。

So especially that connection between Mercury and Saturn also kind of echoes some of those themes that would come up in his life.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

顺便提一下，当他打出那通著名的首次电话时，他正在经历土星回归。

And just as a side note, when he made that famous first telephone call, he was having a Saturn return.

他大约一周前刚满29岁。

He had just turned 29 about a week earlier.

因此，那通首次电话正是土星刚刚重返双鱼座并完成回归的时刻。

And so that first phone call is Saturn having just gone back into Pisces and making that return.

哦，天哪。

Oh, wow.

不错。

Nice.

不错。

Nice.

我喜欢这个时间点。

I like that timing.

是的，正是如此。

Yeah, exactly.

当然，他出生的时间离天王星与海王星在水瓶座末期的合相并不久，而那次合相恰逢海王星的发现。

And of course, he was born really not long, a few months after the Saturn Neptune conjunction in late Aquarius that coincided with the discovery of Neptune.

所以，据说海王星是在1846年9月被发现的，六个月后，亚历山大·格拉汉姆·贝尔出生了，他后来通过现代科技连接了人类，让世界变得更小。

So yeah, it was almost like Neptune was discovered in September 1846, believe, and six months later, get our Alexander Graham Bell, who's gonna connect us through modern technology to communicate and sort of make the world smaller.

想想看，当他发明电话时，再看看今天的手机，他可是开启了这一切。

I mean, think about it when invents the phone, think about what phones are today, he gets that ball rolling.

他当然不是短信或表情符号的发明者，但这一切的起点确实是他。

He's not responsible for texting or emojis or anything like that, but this is the start.

如果他没有打出第一个电话，后续的一切都不会以同样的方式发生。

If he make that first phone call, the rest doesn't happen, at least not the way it did.

这实际上是丽莎最近私下跟我提到的一个观点。

And that's actually a point Lisa made to me privately recently.

她提出了一个很好的观点，指出上升点的守护星位于第四宫。

Thought it was a good point where she points out as the ruler the Ascendant in the fourth.

尤其是在早期，二十世纪最显著的特点之一，特别是当电话变得无处不在时，是电话的发明让人们能够从家中进行远距离通信。

Especially early on, one of the notable things for most of the twentieth century, especially once it became ubiquitous, was that the invention of the telephone allowed people to communicate at long distances from their home.

人们会在家里某个固定位置安装一部电话，然后就可以在自家舒适地与家人或其他人通话。

People would have a single telephone hardwired somewhere in their home and then could therefore talk to family members or could talk to other people from the comfort of their own home.

因此，从更广泛的角度来看，这一点也值得注意，他的第四宫以不同方式产生了回响，既体现在个人层面，也体现在他对人类的普遍贡献上。

So there's something more broadly in terms of that as well that's kind of notable in terms of his fourth house echoing in different ways, both personally as well as in terms of his universal contribution to humanity.

我们还会看到，这在其他星盘中也会出现，通常一个人的星盘配置都有双重影响：一方面是对个人的影响，另一方面是对全球的影响。

And we'll see that come up actually in different charts as well, that there's often a dual two sides to the coin where there's like a personal impact and then there's like a global impact that a person's chart placements have.

是的，你说得完全正确。

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

或者当你仔细想想时，丽莎说得完全对。

Or Lisa's absolutely right when you think about it.

我的意思是，今天当然不一样了，我们现在无论在哪里都在打电话，但当我还是个孩子的时候，还有我父母和祖父母年轻的时候，电话确实是在家里的，突然间你有了这样一个设备——家 again 是第四宫的象征，一个私密的地方，一个你通常远离世界视线的地方。

I mean, it's a different thing today, of course, we're on the phone no matter where we are, but when I was a boy and, you know, when my parents and grandparents were young, yeah, the phone was in the home and suddenly you had this device, you know, the the home again being a fourth house place, a private place, a place where you're you're usually hidden from the world.

但贝尔的木星位于双子座第四宫，这确实表明，随着电话的出现，我们突然间可以接触到任何人的家，只要有人接电话。

But Bell's Jupiter in Gemini in the fourth, yeah, it signifies the fact that with the advent of the phone, suddenly we could in a way access anyone's home provided answered the phone.

对。

Right.

这个观点太棒了。

Such a great point.

我最后还想提一件事，我在之前的节目中提到过，我们这里不需要深入展开。

One last thing I wanted to make and I talked about this in the previous episodes, we don't have to dwell on it hugely here.

但我注意到，上升宫的守护星木星位于第四整宫，因为它相对于上升星座位于第四宫位。

But I do see that the ruler of the Ascendant Jupiter, it's in the fourth whole sign house because it's in the fourth sign relative to the rising sign.

因为木星在双子座，而天底也在双子座，所以在象限宫位系统中，木星位于天底的第三宫一侧。

Because Jupiter is at of Gemini and the IC is at of Gemini, Jupiter is on the third house side of the IC in quadrant houses.

莉莎和我在上一期节目中讨论过这个问题，因为这有点棘手——你可以说，这可能是电话发明者这一重大沟通主题背后的原因之一。

Lisa and I were debating this in the last episode because it's tricky because you could say, Well, that could be part of the reason for the major communication theme coming through in terms of being the inventor of the telephone.

但另一方面，木星本身位于双子座，而双子座是沟通的星座，传统上主要由水星守护，是水星的主要宫位或星座。

But then it's sort of complicated by the fact that Jupiter's in Gemini itself, which is the sign of communication, especially ruled by Mercury traditionally, like the primary house or sign of Mercury.

但我仍然持开放态度，因为我开始注意到一些情况：两者往往同时相关，并且存在重叠——显然，他的父母对他至关重要，这也是他人生中的一个动力因素。

But I'm still open to that because I'm starting to see these instances where you'll see both being relevant and there being an overlap where obviously his parents were very important to him and that was a motivating factor in his life.

但同时，他也因电话发明者的身份而闻名。

But then also he became known as the inventor of the telephone.

很可能，整宫制和象限制的宫位划分在这里都具有相关性。

It's possible that both the whole sign house placement and the quadrant placement are relevant there.

这正是晚期希腊和早期中世纪的一些占星家试图调和这两种体系的方式。

And that is how some of the Hellenistic astrologers seem to have in the late Hellenistic and early Medieval traditions seem to have tried to reconcile those things.

所以我开始研究这个问题，并努力整理一些星盘案例。

So I'm starting to study this and really try to put together some chart examples.

这个案例可能就是一个例子，但由于双子座位置的复杂性，它可能有两种不同的解读方式。

And this could be one, although since it's not a clean one as a result of that Gemini placement, it could kind of go either way.

是的，但这个问题真的需要直面。

Yeah, but this really important to face head on.

宫位是占星术中最具争议的主题。

Houses are the most controversial subject in astrology.

与其被看似矛盾的竞争性宫位系统所困扰，或者不得不采取某种非此即彼的强硬立场。

And rather than be sort of bothered by the seeming you know, incongruence of competing house systems or, you know, having to take some kind of hard line one way or the other.

我认为占星师最好接受这一点：某些情况具有多重含义或模糊性，存在多种看待方式。

I think astrologers are better off sort of embracing the fact that some of this is multivalent or ambiguous with that there are different ways to look at this.

作为顾问，当你只想依赖一套固定的工具，每次都从中取出并确信它们始终可靠时，这并没有帮助。

And you know, it doesn't help as consultant when you just you want to have your bag of tools that you reach in and you always grab and they're always reliable.

但这是宇宙。

But this is the cosmos.

它有时是矛盾的、悖论性的，或者以多种方式显现。

Is sometimes contradictory or paradoxical or reveals itself in more than one way.

所以别慌。

So don't get freaked out.

这就是人生啊。

It's life.

对，没错。

Yeah, for sure.

好了，总之这就是一个很有意思的例子，我们未来的播客节目里说不定还会再聊到这件事。

Well, anyway, so this is one interesting example of that and we'll talk about that more probably in future episodes at some point.

我会在这期节目里单独辟出一部分聊聊天底（IC）的度数，尤其是这个度数可能落在不同的整宫制宫位里的情况。

I will have a separate section in this episode on the degree of the IC especially as it can float and land in different whole sign houses.

那我们之后再讨论这个话题，可能在宫位主管星的部分也会再讲到。

So we'll talk about that later on, probably in the rulers of the houses section as well.

好的。

All right.

以上就是我们的第一个星盘示例。

So that is our first chart example.

接下来我们来看第二个星盘示例，也就是著名画家巴勃罗·毕加索的本命盘。他的上升星座是狮子座，而作为上升点守护星的太阳，与同样落在天蝎座的水星一起，落入了整宫制的第四宫。

Let's move on to our second chart example, which is the birth chart of the famous painter and artist Pablo Picasso, who was born with Leo rising and the sun, the ruler of the Ascendant was in Scorpio in the fourth whole sign house together with Mercury, which was also in Scorpio.

当然，巴勃罗·毕加索成为了二十世纪最著名的画家之一，也是二十世纪最著名的艺术家之一。

And Pablo Picasso, of course, became one of the most famous painters of the twentieth century, one of the most famous artists of the twentieth century.

但关于他的传记，有一件有趣的事是，他的父亲也是一位画家和艺术教授。

But one of the things that's interesting about his biography is that his father was a painter and a professor of art as well.

这是我们将会看到的众多例子中的第一个。

So this is one of our first examples of many that we'll see.

严格来说，上一个例子也是其中之一，但上升行星落入第四宫的一个反复出现的主题是：有时父母从事某一职业，而孩子随后也走上了同样的职业道路。

Mean, technically the last one was also one of these, but one of the themes that keeps coming up over and over again with the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house is sometimes a parent that does one thing or is in one career field and then a child that follows after them in the same career field.

我们在亚历山大·格拉汉姆·贝尔身上看到过一点这种迹象，但在这个例子中，这是我想要特别强调的主要内容。

And we saw a little bit of that to some extent with Alexander Graham Bell, but especially in this example, that's the main thing that I want to emphasize here.

因此，毕加索从七岁起就开始接受父亲的正式艺术训练。

So with Picasso starting at age seven, he received formal artistic training from his father.

这不仅仅是他父亲是个画家，然后毕加索后来无意中也成为了一名画家。

So it wasn't just that his father was like a painter and then Picasso inadvertently becomes a painter later on in his life.

而是他在人生早期就接受了身为艺术家和艺术教授的父亲的密集、正式的训练。

It's that he received intensive training, formal training from his artist and professor of art father early on in his life.

这主要是人物素描和油画训练，但对塑造他的艺术基础和促进早期发展起到了至关重要的作用，尤其是因为他的父亲是一位学术型艺术家和教师。

And this was mainly in figure drawing and oil painting, but it played a really crucial role in shaping his artistic foundation and fostering his early development, especially because his father was an academic artist and an instructor.

他的父亲认为，正规的训练需要严格地临摹大师作品，并通过石膏模型和真人模特来练习人体素描。

And his father believed that proper training required disciplined copying of the masters and drawing the human body from plaster casts and live models.

我觉得这很有趣，因为在艺术传承或继承过去知识方面，向先辈学习确实有其独特之处。

So I thought this was interesting because there's something about learning from what came before you in terms of a lineage of artists or in terms of inheriting some of the knowledge of the past.

我认为，我们在这里也以另一种方式或不同层面看到了第四宫的影响。

And I think we're seeing a fourth house influence come in as well in a different way or a different aspect in terms of things.

是的，我们可以从多个角度来探讨毕加索的第四宫。

Yeah, there are a number of different ways that we can take Picasso's fourth house and talk about it.

你说得完全正确。

I mean, you're absolutely right.

他的父亲是以传统大师的方式训练他的。

His father sort of trained him in the mode of the old masters.

1891年，就在毕加索十岁那周，他父亲找到了一份工作。

In 1891, the same week that Picasso turned 10 years old, his father got a job.

他多年来一直试图获得这份工作，但终于在加利西亚的一所艺术学校被聘为教师。即使你不清楚西班牙的地理，加利西亚也是西班牙最北端的地区，位于葡萄牙以北的西北角。

He had been trying to get this job for years, but he was finally hired to teach in an art school in Galicia, which even if you don't know the geography of Spain, this is the part of Spain that's at the top, like the Northwestern corner, like North Of Portugal.

毕加索的家人则不同，他出生并成长于西班牙南部，也就是靠近直布罗陀的安达卢西亚地区。

Picasso's own family, he was born and grew up in Southern Spain, you know, that sort of down the road from Gibraltar, if you will, in Andalusia.

因此，就在他十岁那周，全家乘船绕行海岸，抵达大西洋沿岸的加利西亚。尽管他们仍处于西班牙境内，但这里与巴勃罗的故乡是截然不同的地区。

So when he was 10, the same week he turned 10 years old, his family sailed around, you know, the the around the coast to the Atlantic Coast and landed in Galicia and even though they were technically still in Spain, this is a very, very different part of the country than where Pablo was from.

当他们抵达这个全新的西班牙地区，父亲开始在学校任教时，毕加索作为艺术家迅速成长，以至于父亲意识到自己的光芒已被遮蔽——巴勃罗的绘画水平已经超越了他。

And it was when they arrived in this this new part of Spain and his father started teaching in the school that Picasso as an artist blossomed in such a way that his father realized that the sun was eclipsing him already, that Pablo was already a better artist than he was.

从星象角度看，我要指出的是，这正是天王星刚刚进入天蝎座的时刻。

Transit wise, I'll just put out there that this was right at the time that Uranus had just gone into Scorpio.

因此，当巴勃罗十岁生日时，天王星正好与他的太阳星相合，他们迁居到西班牙的另一个地区——尽管仍在同一个国家。

So when when Pablo's turning 10, Uranus has conjunct his son and they move to a different part of Spain even though they're in the same country.

那是一个完全不同的世界，一个他感到极其陌生的地方。

It's a whole other world, not one that he feels terribly familiar with.

当然，作为成年人，他一生都将生活在法国这个异国他乡，因此他早已习惯了做局外人。但整个天王星相位的影响在于：父亲意识到巴勃罗早已成为更出色的艺术家；他身处新家，仿佛成了异乡人；此外，父子关系中那种微妙的张力也显而易见——年幼的巴勃罗就已让父亲感到自愧不如，悄然超越了他。

As an adult, of course, he's going to spend his whole adult life in in France in a foreign country, so he is getting used to being sort of the outsider so to speak, but the whole thing about the, you know, the Uranus transit, the fact that his father realizes that Pablo's already, you know, a greater artist than he is, the sense of Uranus transit to the sun and that he's now living, he's now sort of like a foreigner so to speak and in his new home and and also I think you know sort of there's a kind of you know, the whole father and son thing that the fact that at such a young age Pablo was already kind of humbling his father, already sort of taking him over.

这一点也确实影响了家庭动态。

There's there's something to that as well and how it changes the family dynamic.

几乎像是巴勃罗以一种奇特的方式成了家里的顶梁柱。

Almost like Pablo's becoming the man of the house in a in a, you know, peculiar kind of way.

没错。

Right.

而且他在艺术方向上也与父亲截然不同。

And he also goes in a different artistic direction than his father.

这同样让他的父亲和另一位在他生活中扮演重要角色的叔叔感到沮丧。

And that was something that frustrated his father as well as his uncle who also played a significant role in his life.

是的。

Yeah.

有意思的是，你提到过去，而巴勃罗走得越远，就越深入过去。

I mean, it's funny you're talking about the past and the further Picasso goes, the deeper into the past he goes.

确实如此，他完全颠覆了自己所接受的训练和传统。

I mean, it's true, he's totally subverting everything his training and his heritage gave to him.

我的意思是，他并不以画非常对称的写实图像而闻名，当然，他会朝某个方向发展。

I mean he's he's not famous for drawing very sort of symmetrical real life images, of course, you know he's he's going to go in the direction of.

他们称之为原始主义，也就是受到古老的非洲艺术的启发。

They called primitivism you know being inspired by really ancient African art.

当然，他来自安达卢西亚。

Of course, he's from Andalusia.

你知道，他来自一个曾经与非洲有更多融合的地方。

He's, you know, he's he's from a place that had been more sort of integrated with Africa once upon a time.

而且，就像立体主义那样彻底颠覆一切的理念。

And, you know, and and the whole idea of just like subverting everything the way cubism did.

他走得越远，就越是在以某种方式羞辱或贬低他的父亲，也许并非有意，但至少在艺术方向上是如此。

The further it's like the further he goes, the more he's trying to, know, humiliate his father or humble his father in some way, maybe not deliberately, but just in terms of his artistic direction.

但有趣的是，第四宫与过去有关，这确实是驱动他的一个重要因素——即抵达事物的本质，找到一种尚未有人触及的原始起点。

But it's funny, the fourth house having to do with the past, that really is a big part of what seems to drive him is to get to the essence of things, to get to some sort of point of origin that nobody's been able to make contact with yet.

有意思。

Interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

这是视频版本中展示的一幅他的立体主义画作，《抱着曼陀林的女孩》，创作于1910年，展现了这种风格的发展。

And this is for the video version just showing one of his cubism paintings, Girl with a Mandolin from 1910, and developing this style.

我认为每个人在青少年时期都会经历这种反抗父母或类似权威的过程。

Everybody goes through that process I think especially when you're like a teenager of rebelling against your parents or what have you.

但对他来说，他父亲从很小的时候就开始 intensely 培训他，让他按照自己的风格绘画。

But for him it's like his dad had been training him intensely to be an artist in his style since a very young age.

有趣的是，我读到的一点是，他父亲在他家附近租了一间小房间给他，让他独自工作，但父亲每天仍会多次前来检查并评判他的画作。

So much And so that at 1.1 of the interesting things I read is that his father rented a small room for him close to home so that he could work alone, yet his father still checked up on him numerous times a day judging his drawings.

这种在自己小空间里独自工作的理念挺有意思的。

That notion of working alone in his own little space was kind of interesting.

当然，后来作为一名艺术家，他经常在家创作画作。

And then of course, later on as an artist, he would often work at home on his paintings.

作为画家，即使他也有工作室并有时在那里工作，但他的某些作品确实需要带回家完成。

That's one of the things as a painter, even though he would also have a a studio and sometimes work there, but sometimes his work was necessarily brought at home.

当毕加索走上不同的艺术道路时，他们之间出现了紧张关系，但父亲的影响与指导支持对于奠定毕加索未来成功的基础仍是不可或缺的，尽管他们的艺术道路最终分道扬镳。

There were tensions between them as Picasso went in a different artistic direction, but nonetheless still his father's influence and guidance support were essential in laying the groundwork for Picasso's future success even though their artistic paths eventually diverged.

是的，没错。

Yeah, that's right.

我本来只想说，毕加索的第十宫确实非常突出，他的艺术家生涯中有一部分是公开的。

I was only going to say that yeah, Picasso does have a very loaded tenth house and there was an element to his life as an artist that was public.

你知道，他在巴黎有个工作室，叫‘巴托·拉瓦伊’，人们会来拜访，看他作画，比如格特鲁德·斯坦或其他人。

You know, he had this studio in Paris, the Bateau Lavoie, and people would drop by and and see him paint, you know, Gertrude Stein or whoever.

所以，他并不总是躲在幕后，避开他人目光独自创作。

So, he wasn't always just sort of hidden behind a curtain, you know, working away from prying eyes.

有时他是在众目睽睽之下进行创作的，但这只是他星盘的另一个层面。

Sometimes he was doing what he was doing in full view of everyone, but that's another sort of element of his chart.

但毫无疑问，他在回应父亲的训练并发展为艺术家的过程中，存在着一种无法忽视的俄狄浦斯式潜流。

But certainly, you know, there's this undeniable sort of Oedipal undercurrent to how he's responding to his father's training and how he develops as an artist.

某种程度上，他确实在试图超越父亲，或以某种方式让父亲相形见绌。

In some way, yeah, trying to sort of top his father or somehow sort of show his father up in some fashion.

当然。

Sure.

而且，这部分可能也源于第四宫主星的状况。

Well, and some of that's also probably coming from the condition of the ruler of the fourth house.

第四宫主星是火星，它掌管天蝎座，而火星位于巨蟹座的第十二宫，这通常是人们难以相处的宫位之一。

Ruler of the fourth house is Mars which is ruling Scorpio and Mars is placed in Cancer in the twelfth house which is sometimes one of the houses where you find people that you don't get along with very well.

不过有一些缓解因素，因为这是一张夜盘，而不是日盘。

It does have some mitigations going on because it's like a night chart rather than a day chart.

所以对他的影响其实并不是最困难的，但这一点我们稍后会再回来讨论，我会在宫主星部分详细讲到这颗宫主星如何影响他的人生。

So it's actually not the most difficult planet for him, but that's actually something we'll come back to later and I'll talk about in the rulers of the houses section as we'll get more into the ruler of that house and how that worked out in his life.

是的，火星在第十二宫，毕加索很少在情感上受伤害，但他却在关系中极具破坏性，这是另一个话题。

Yeah, that Mars in the twelfth, Picasso was rarely sort of wounded in any kind of way, but he could be very destructive in his relationships and that's a whole other matter.

这确实表现得非常明显。

It definitely played out.

他对父亲所做的事，最终也会发生在任何与他亲近的人身上。

What he's doing to his father is something that he'll wind up doing to anyone who gets close to him in a way.

好的。

Okay.

我最后要提一点，这是德梅特拉告诉我的。

One last point I have to mention that Demetra mentioned to me.

前几天晚上我正在研究毕加索的资料时，突然想起她在她的古代占星书籍中常用毕加索的星盘作为主要案例。

Was talking to her the other night because I was working on researching Picasso and then I remembered that she uses Picasso as one of her primary chart examples in her ancient astrology books.

所以我当时想问问她，把我的初步分析拿给她看看，确认一下有没有遗漏什么。

So I wanted to ask her, I wanted to run by what I had so far and if I was missing anything.

她提醒我一点我之前忽略的：毕加索出生时，人们以为他是死胎。

And one of the points she pointed out to me that I had overlooked was that when Picasso was born, they thought he was a stillbirth.

所以当时大家都以为他真的已经死了。

So they thought he died actually.

因此他确实是个死胎。

So he was a stillbirth.

但幸运的是，他有一位懂些医学的叔叔，把他抱走后做了一件奇怪的事——往小毕加索脸上吹雪茄烟，结果他竟然醒了过来，一下子活了过来。

But then his uncle who also had some medical training luckily took him and he did this weird thing where he blew cigar smoke in young Picasso's face and it woke him up and all of a sudden he sort of like came to life.

我觉得这为我们稍后讨论第四宫和死亡主题提供了一个非常有趣的初步预览。

And I thought this is a really fascinating initial sort of preview of a topic that we're going to talk about more later when it comes to the fourth house and death.

但最初他出生时，人们以为他已经死了。

But just that initially when he was born, they thought that he was already dead.

我们稍后会看到这个主题再次出现。

And we'll see that come up as a theme more later on.

是的，这是个很好的观点。

Yeah, that's a great point.

我总是忘记他人生开端的这部分，但所有传记中都提到过，这确实发生了。

I keep forgetting that part of his origin story, but you do always read that in the biographies that does appear to have happened.

好的。

All right.

我觉得这部分讲得差不多了。

So I think that's good for that.

我们继续看下一个星盘案例吧。

Let's move on to our next chart example.

这是下一张星盘。

Here's the next chart.

这是一个近期案例的出生星盘。

So this is the birth chart of a more recent example.

这是马拉拉·优素福扎伊的星盘，我在选用这些人物时都尽力核对过准确的出生时间，她的资料我也查阅过她的个人传记。

This is Malala Youssef Zai, who according to her biography, this is one I've tried to use accurate birth times.

不过她的出生时间存在一点疑问。

This is one where there's a little question about the birth time.

但根据她的自传记载，她称自己出生于日出时分，太阳落在巨蟹座19度。

But according to her autobiography, she said that she was born at sunrise and her Sun is at 19 degrees of Cancer.

如果这个说法属实，那就意味着她的上升星座是巨蟹座，月亮落在天秤座，也就是整宫制的第四宫，并且在这张日座星盘里，月亮与火星同宫。

So if that's true, then it means she has Cancer rising and her Moon is in Libra in fourth whole sign house and it's co present with Mars in a day chart.

目前还有另一个流传的出生时间，但提出这个时间的人有过伪造出生时间的前科。

So there's another alternative time that's floating around for her, but it's introduced by somebody that's known to have made up false birth times in the past.

我其实并不信任那个时间。

I actually don't trust it.

因此，在这个分析中，我会采用她在自传中所说的内容。

And I'm going to go with what she actually says in her autobiography for the purpose of this.

但我只是想说明一下，以防有人好奇为什么我使用的出生时间与其他网站略有不同。

But I just wanted to state that just in case anybody wonders why I'm using a birth time that's slightly different than other websites.

马拉拉是一位巴基斯坦女性教育活动家，过去十年间她广为人知，并在2014年因致力于推动儿童尤其是女童的教育，让全球各地的儿童都能获得教育机会，而荣获诺贝尔奖，成为历史上最年轻的诺贝尔奖得主。

So Malala is a Pakistani female education activist and she's really become well known over the course of the past decade and actually won a Nobel Prize in 2014 and became the youngest Nobel Prize laureate in history for her work in helping to promote the education of young children and especially young girls and to make education something that's available young children regardless of where they live in the world.

因为她来自一个女孩通常不被教育的地区，甚至在2000年代中期，她出生和成长的巴基斯坦地区被塔利班控制后，女孩上学被明令禁止。

Because she came from a part of the world where young girls were not either commonly taught or where it became outlawed to teach girls because she was born and grew up in a region of Pakistan that fell under the control of the Taliban in the mid 2000s.

所以她的人生故事之一，就是成长为一名教育活动家。

So part of her story is she grew up and became an education activist.

但真正有趣的是，她的父亲本身就是一位教育者，他深深培养了马拉拉对学习的热爱。

But what's really interesting is her father was actually an educator who instilled in Malala a really deep sense or deep love for learning.

他创办了一所为女童提供教育的学校，这在当时该地区极为罕见，但最终在2000年代被塔利班取缔。

And he ran a school that educated young girls, which was rare in that area and then eventually became outlawed by the Taliban in the 2000s.

因此，随着她长大，受到父亲的影响并追随他的脚步，她继续为女童争取受教育和上学的权利，即使在那时塔利班已全面禁止并压制了这一切。

So as she grew up and interacted with her father and followed in his footsteps, she continued to advocate for young girls being able to learn and go to school, even though the Taliban had completely outlawed and suppressed it at that point in time.

于是她开始发声。

So she began speaking out.

随着塔利班对女孩教育实施更严格的限制，包括禁止她们上学，她开始将这种行为视为世界上的不公并加以谴责。

And as the Taliban imposed stricter restrictions on girls' educations, including banning them from attending school, she began to speak out against this as an injustice in the world.

但在2012年，年仅15岁的她在校车回家途中遭到塔利班枪手射击头部，他们企图暗杀她，以压制她为女孩和年轻女性争取教育所做的努力。

But then in 2012, when she was just 15 years old, she was shot in the head by a Taliban gunman while she was riding a bus home from school so that they actually tried to assassinate her and tried to suppress what she was doing in terms of promoting education for girls and young women.

幸运的是，她在英国接受了 extensive 医疗救治后幸存下来，之后她和家人不得不在袭击后迁居英国。

So thankfully she survived the attack after undergoing extensive medical treatment in The UK where she and her family eventually had to relocate after the attack.

她不得不离开祖国，她的家人在英国建立了新家。

She had to move away from her homeland and her family set up a new home in The United Kingdom.

尽管遭遇了生命威胁，她依然毫不退缩地继续为教育权利而奋斗，并成为全球倡导女孩受教育权利的知名活动家。

Despite the attempt on her life though, she continued being undeterred in her fight for education and she became a prominent global activist for girls' rights to learn.

因此，她建立了一个基金或非营利组织，致力于确保女孩们能够获得至少十二年的免费、安全且优质的教育。

So she's set up like a fund or a nonprofit organization that works to ensure girls to ensure that they have access to at least twelve years of free, safe and quality education.

关于她的星盘，一个有趣的地方是，代表两个教育宫（第三宫和第九宫）的主宰星都位于财务宫位。

And one of the things that's interesting about that in terms of just looking at her chart is that both of the rulers of the two education houses, the third and the ninth, are both in financial houses.

所以第三宫代表基础教育的主宰星是水星。

So it's like the ruler of the third house of lower education Mercury.

由于天秤座落在她的第三宫，水星位于狮子座的第二宫，也就是财务宫。

Since Virgo is on her third house, Mercury is in Leo in the second house, the place of finances.

而第九宫代表高等教育的双鱼座，其主宰星是木星。

And then Pisces, which is her ninth house of higher education, placed in ruler.

木星位于水瓶座的第八宫，即他人钱财的宫位。

Jupiter is placed in Aquarius in the eighth house of other people's money.

由于这是日盘，木星是她星盘中最积极的行星。

And since it's a day chart, that's the most positive planet in her chart.

因此，设立非营利组织和基金，让他人能够学习，正是这一星象位置的直接体现。

So it's like setting up nonprofits and setting up funds literally for people to learn as a really literal manifestation of that placement.

正如我所说，她最终因致力于反对压迫儿童和年轻人而获得了和平奖。

So as I said, eventually she was awarded the Peace Prize for her struggle against the suppression of children and young people.

我特别喜欢她传记中的一点是，她最终在2020年从牛津大学顺利毕业。

And one of the parts that I loved about her biography is that she actually eventually graduated from college at Oxford in the year 2020.

但她网站上提到的一件事是，由于疫情，她毕业时实际上住在父母家，我觉得这很暖心。

But one of the things she says on her website is that due to the pandemic, she was actually living at her parents' home when she graduated, which I thought was a touch.

是的。

Yeah.

我也是两个在疫情期间毕业的孩子的继父，那时候连毕业舞会都没有。

I'm also the stepfather to two kids who graduated during COVID and there was no prom.

疫情对这一代人造成了这样的影响。

COVID did that to that generation.

但没错，这是一个了不起的故事，她的星盘也很有意思。

But yeah it's an incredible story and the chart I.

她描述自己的出生时间时说，自己是在黎明时分出生的，当时最后一颗星星的光芒刚刚熄灭，类似这样的说法，这是一种非常诗意且精确的描述，没有使用具体的钟表时间，却极其精准地记录了她的出生时刻。

The way she describes her birth time she says she was born at dawn as the last light of the star blinked out or something to that extent so it's a really poetic and very precise kind of without introducing actual sort of clock time, a very sort of precise account of her birth.

15岁当然是第四宫的圆满之年。

The age of 15 is of course a fourth house perfection year.

因此，当你在星盘中看到火星位于第四宫时，几乎可以肯定这个人生命中会发生某种火星相关的事件，因为他们在15岁时会经历第一次火星合相回归。

So when you see Mars in the fourth house in a chart, you can pretty much expect that there's gonna be some kind of Martian event in that person's life because they would have their first synodic Mars return at the age of 15.

如果你观察任何人在他们十五岁生日当天的太阳回归图，火星和太阳回归图的位置都会与命盘中的natal火星位置相差仅几度，她的命盘正是如此，因此这是我常用的一种简略判断方式：如果看到火星位于第四宫。

If you look at the solar return of any person when they turn on their fifteenth birthday, Mars and the solar return chart will be just a few degrees from where the natal Mars is, Which is the case in her chart and so it's one of these sort of shorthand things that I have if I see Mars in the fourth house.

无论是日盘还是夜盘，我都知道这个人在十五岁时一定会经历某种具有火星特质的事件，不一定是像她那样被枪击，但一定会是某种可明确识别的火星主题事件，成为这个人生命中的一部分。

Be it a day charter a night chart I know that there's going to be something about events for the the native when they were 15 years old that will have some kind of Martian theme, not necessarily that they get shot the way she was, but it'll be it'll be something identifiably Martian that that, you know, became a part of the person's life through experience.

你知道，也许这个事件改变了他们的一些特质，如果当时没有发生这件事，他们可能会成为完全不同的人，诸如此类，是的。

You know, maybe it changed elements of of you know who they were maybe they would have become someone else if that event hadn't occurred or so on and so forth, but yeah.

这只是占星学中一个很棒的小捷径：看到火星在第四宫，你就知道因为十五岁是火星合相回归年，而十五岁总是第四宫的完美之年，几乎可以肯定那里会有一个火星相关的故事。

Know just one of those great little astrological shorthands you see Mars in the fourth, and you know that because it's a synodic Mars return at 15, which is always a fourth house perfection year, you can pretty much guarantee that there's going to be some kind of Martian story there.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

显然，对她来说更复杂，因为她的上升宫主星是月亮，而月亮正非常接近与火星合相，月亮位于天秤座九度，火星位于天秤座十度。

So obviously it's more difficult for her because the ruler of her Ascendant is the Moon and it's actually applying very closely to a conjunction with Mars with the Moon at nine degrees of Libra and Mars at 10 degrees of Libra.

而且由于这是日盘，火星是她命盘中最困难的行星。

And since it's a day chart, Mars is the most difficult planet in her chart.

而且它们都与天秤座10度的幸运点相合，这有时代表那些降临在你身上、超出你控制范围的事情。

And also they're both conjunct the Lot of Fortune at 10 degrees of Libra which can sometimes represent that which befalls you or is outside of your control.

土星位于白羊座的第十宫，这带来了额外的复杂性。

There's additional complications with Saturn being up there in the tenth house in Aries.

显然，这是一个非常极端的情况——她不仅因为倡导女孩教育而遭到枪击，还为了自身安全被迫离开家乡，最终不得不迁居到另一个国家。

And obviously that's a very extreme scenario where she's actually not just, you know, she's shot as a result of what she's doing in promoting education for young girls, but also essentially gets exiled from her home or from her homeland for her own safety and ends up needing to relocate to a new country.

因此，这是一个例子，说明当第四宫有困难行星时，有时会在家庭或祖国层面引发挑战。

So this is one example of sometimes some things that can happen when you have difficult planets in the fourth house is sometimes there can be challenges that arise in your home or challenges that arise in your homeland.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

但讽刺的是，火星也掌管着天顶的第十宫。

Although it's ironic that Mars also rules the tenth house in the Midheaven.

事实上，被枪击正是让她成为公众人物的一部分原因。

And basically, getting shot was part of what made her a sort of a celebrity.

我的意思是，她在被枪击前就已经在做重要的工作，但我认为正是这次暗杀企图让她获得了国际关注，帮助她获得了出版合同和诺贝尔奖等等。

I mean, was doing important work before she was shot, but I think it is the attempt on her life that brought her to sort of international attention and, you know, helped her get a publishing contract and and Nobel Prize and all that.

我不是说这是个受欢迎的事件，但确实很有趣，你知道，有时不幸反而会带来这样的转机。不过，她已经成为家喻户晓的名字，是二十世纪末极具辨识度的代表人物，我认为这一切确实始于那次针对她的暗杀企图。

I'm not saying it was a welcome event, but it is interesting, you know, sometimes misfortune does lead to that kind of turn but yeah, she's a household name, she's a very identifiable twenty first century, you know, figure I think it did start with that attempt on her life.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这个观点很好，当第十宫的星体存在挑战性配置时，有时你确实会因为生活中经历过的某种困难或挫折而闻名，而这些是你必须面对或与之抗争的事情。

I mean, that's a good point just in terms that sometimes when you have challenging planets that are associated with the tenth house, sometimes you can become known for something that was challenging or a setback that you experienced at some point in your life that is something you have to deal with or wrestle with at some point.

所以，这引出了关于宫主星的一些有趣内容，当我们探讨第四宫宫主星在各个宫位中的情况时，会看到更多类似的例子。

So yeah, that gets into some interesting stuff about the rulers of the houses that we'll see a lot more of especially when we go through the ruler of the fourth house in all of the different houses.

但你刚才提出的第十宫宫主星位于第四宫的解读非常到位。

But that's a good delineation right there that you just came up with with the ruler of the tenth in the fourth.

是的。

Yeah.

此外，她父亲对她的事业产生了影响，这也是第十宫宫主星位于第四宫的另一个非负面的解读。

As well as just that her father influenced her career with the ruler of the tenth in the fourth is another just non negative delineation of that.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, exactly.

但你说得对，火星与月亮同在幸运点，土星与火星相对，月亮主宰上升星座，等等，这些整体状况确实如此。

But you were right that the overall condition of the fact that the Mars is with the Moon in the Lot of Fortune, the fact that Saturn is opposite the Mars, the fact that the Moon rules the Ascendant, so on and so forth.

显然，她在15岁时经历的火星合相回归，比普通人要严重得多。

Obviously, her synodic Mars return at the age of 15 is a lot more severe than your average person.

并不是每个火星位于第四宫的人都会在15岁时被枪击，但总会发生某种可识别的火星相关事件。

Not everyone who has Mars in the fourth house is gonna be shot when they're 15 years old, but there will be an identifiable Martian event of some kind.

好吧。

All right.

所以我认为关于她的讨论就到这里了。

So I think that's it for her.

那我们继续看下一个例子。

So let's move on to the next example.

我们的下一个例子是查尔斯国王。

Our next example is King Charles.

我总是把他的文件写成查尔斯王子，但他现在已经不是查尔斯王子了。

I keep having him in my files as Prince Charles, but he's no longer Prince Charles.

不。

No.

查尔斯三世国王，他是两年前即位的，对吧？

King Charles III who became king just two years ago, right?

在2022年。

In 2022.

我认为他的母亲

I think his mother

于2022年9月去世，他的加冕礼是在次年。

died in September '22 and his coronation was the next year.

你说得对。

You're right.

所以他是去年才宣誓就职的。

So he was just inaugurated last year.

抱歉，对。

Sorry, Right.

总是有两个阶段。

There's always two stages.

一旦前任君主去世，新君主立即继位，这在技术上就是他们成为君主的时刻。

As soon as the previous monarch dies, new monarch ascends to the throne and that's technically when they become the monarch.

但通常是在前任君主去世约一年后，才会举行加冕典礼，这才算是正式就任。

But always it's about a year later after the morning of the past monarch that they have their coronation and it's official.

所以，从不同角度来看，他的母亲是在2022年9月去世的。

So depending on how you look at it, but his mother died in September '22.

是的。

Yeah.

明白了。

Got it.

好的。

All right.

因此，这以更字面的意义延续了我们的主题——子女继承父母的事业，他 literally 成为国王，并在母亲去世后接过了家族王朝的权柄，而女王伊丽莎白二世于2022年9月8日去世。

So this continues our theme in a much more literal sense of children who take over from their parents where he literally became king and took over the family dynasty from his mother after she passed away after Queen Elizabeth II passed away on 09/08/2022.

所以这个例子我用了好几年，因为查尔斯的有趣之处在于，他是伊丽莎白女王的儿子，而她自20世纪50年代起就一直是女王。

So this is one I've used for a number of years because the interesting thing about Charles is that he is the son of Queen Elizabeth and she's been queen since the 1950s.

因此，他一直被视为王位继承人，注定会成为国王。

And so he's always been in line to inherit the throne and become king.

但后来发生的情况是，他的母亲恰好成为了历史上在位时间最长的君主之一，寿命极长，统治时间也极久，导致人们一直觉得，等他登基时，自己都快老了。

But then what happened is that his mother just happened to become essentially one of the longest reigning monarchs in history and had a very long life and reign so that there was always this constant thing of like, he got pretty old by the time he became king.

于是人们开始质疑：他到底会不会继承王位？这件事什么时候才会发生？诸如此类的问题层出不穷。

There became a question of like, is he going to inherit the throne or when is this going to happen and different things like that?

所以我觉得特别有意思的是，他的母亲实际上在他大半生里都掌握着权力，是真正的掌权者。

So I think it's so interesting then because then his mom, essentially his mother retained power, was the one in charge for the vast majority of his life.

就在他登基后不久，仅仅过去一年，他就开始与癌症作斗争。

And already recently after he became king, just in the past year, he's been dealing with cancer.

我认为今年早些时候官方宣布了这一消息，这引发了新的疑问：他的一生是否大部分时间都是在母亲作为女王掌权的背景下度过的，而如今他才真正接过王位？

I think they announced earlier this year there's already this question of did the majority of his life pass essentially with his mother in charge as the queen and he's only taking over here.

所以丽莎为这张图表做了大量工作。

So Lisa did a lot of work on this chart.

她的一点观点是，他的身份与父母紧密相连，尤其是与他的母亲，他几乎一生都在等待继承家族中的地位，而他的母亲最终成为了历史上最长寿的君主之一。

And one of her points was that his identity was very much wrapped up with his parent, with his mom in his instance, that he spent essentially his entire life waiting to inherit his position in the family lineage, that she ended up becoming the longest living monarch, one of the longest living monarchs in history.

我认为是英国历史上最长寿的。

The longest English one, I believe.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

但更广泛地说，丽莎指出，查尔斯在成为国王之前许多兴趣或活动实际上都与第四宫相关。

But more broadly outside of that, one of the points Lisa made is that many of Charles' interests or activities prior to becoming king were actually fourth house related.

例如，他的大学学位是历史学，但他还倡导保护历史建筑，特别是建筑在社会中的重要性。

So for example, his college degree was in history, but also he advocated for the preservation of historic buildings and especially the importance of architecture in society.

他因环保、生态、有机农业、园艺、气候变化和建筑而获得过奖项。

He earned awards for environmentalism, ecology, organic farming, gardening, climate change and architecture.

所以这些都构成了他生活中主要的兴趣话题。

So these are all major topics in his life in terms of his interests.

因此，这不仅仅是查尔斯一生中大部分时间都在等待继位，他还同时拥有其他与第四宫相关的兴趣。

So it's not just about that Charles waited around most of his life to become king, but also he had other fourth house interests at the same time.

我想再提一个最后的要点，当时我对此感到非常震惊，而在这次研究过程中重新想起这一点，感觉很美好：他的加冕典礼发生在2023年5月6日。

And one last point that I want to mention here that I was really stunned by at the time, and it was nice remembering this as I was doing this research, is that his coronation occurred on 05/06/2023.

而这一天正好是在2023年5月5日发生的一次天蝎座月食之后的24小时内，那次月食正好落在他的第四宫。

And this was the day after it was within twenty four hours of a lunar eclipse that occurred in Scorpio in his fourth house, occurred on 05/05/2023.

这属于我开始像去年你和我一起做的那样深入研究月食之前，为数不多的几个早期案例之一——那时我开始特别关注月食在人们生活中的影响，因为我们亲眼见证了现代版的场景：一位国王的加冕恰好发生在月食当天。

So it was one of those really early instances before I started doing all of that eclipse research that you and I did last year, Nick, where I really started paying attention to eclipses in people's lives because we saw the modern version of that of a king having his coronation take place exactly on an eclipse.

但对查尔斯而言，这次月食落在他的第四宫，象征着他接掌家族血脉，成为统治者链条中的下一环。

But for him it was in his fourth house as he's taking over this like family lineage essentially and becoming the next link in that chain in terms of his family lineage of rulers.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

It's true.

就英国政治而言，他在环保和生态领域是领军人物。

Far as British politics goes, he's the leading light when it comes to environmentalism and ecology.

王位对他来说简直是一种浪费，因为你知道，他更适合当首相，真正拥有权力去采取行动。

It's really like like the throne is kinda wasted on him because, you know, he'd be better off being prime minister and actually having a position of power to do something about it.

但这就是家常便饭了。

But that's, you know, that that's par for the course.

王室就是这样，你知道，人们生来就只有一份工作，查尔斯的任务就是等着他母亲去世，所以他一直活到六七十岁才等到那一刻，这使得他的生活显得毫无意义。

That's the thing about the the monarchy is you know people are born into like like you just have one job, you know Charles had one job, which was to be there be be ready when his mother died, and so you know he lives well into his.

他在六十多岁、七十多岁的时候才继位，而在这段无所事事的漫长岁月里，他相对很好地利用了这段时光。

60s and 70s without that happening and you know it makes the life kind of otherwise purposeless and he's he's you know made relatively good use of of that that you know time that he had nothing else to do.

这让我想起维多利亚女王的儿子、未来的爱德华七世，他也是天蝎座，长期以来一直有一位情妇，而那位情妇正是查尔斯妻子卡米拉的祖母。

It reminds me of of Queen Victoria's son, the future King Edward the seventh, who was also a Scorpio, and who for a long time had a mistress who was the grandmother of Charles's wife Camilla.

因此，爱德华七世和查尔斯之间存在着非常有趣的相似之处——爱德华七世也得等上一辈子，等着母亲去世，然后在被严格限制、无法像常人那样追求人生目标的情况下，努力寻找自己的方向。

So there's this whole very interesting parallel between and Edward VII was also someone who had to wait his whole life for his mother to die basically, same kind of deal, try to figure out what to do with himself when he's literally prevented from pursuing most things that most people would do.

是的。

Yeah.

关于他的星盘，有趣的一点是他实际上出生在一次天蝎座日食之后不久，虽然不是特别接近，但确实与朔望周期有关。

Well, one thing that's interesting about his chart is he was actually born just after a solar eclipse in Scorpio, not like super close, but the lunation.

他于1948年11月14日出生，几乎正好处于金牛座的满月时刻。

He was born almost at a Full Moon in Taurus on 11/14/1948.

如果回溯上一个朔望周期，会发现2048年11月1日曾发生过一次天蝎座日食。

And if you go back to the previous lunation, it was a solar eclipse in Scorpio that occurred on 11/01/2048.

因此，在他出生前整整两周，发生了一次天蝎座日食。

So exactly two weeks before he was born, there was a solar eclipse in Scorpio.

而就在他登基的整整24小时内，又发生了一次天蝎座月食。

And then literally within twenty four hours of when he becomes king, there's a lunar eclipse in Scorpio.

这再次展现了令人惊叹的日月食现象，具有鲜明的象征意义。

So that's one just like stunning eclipse stuff again in terms of signatures.

但他的案例也是我们将在接下来的几个例子中频繁看到的典型：在他母亲去世、他登基的那一年，日月食在天蝎座和金牛座之间来回交替，因为交点正经过天蝎座和金牛座，也正好落在他的第四宫和第十宫。

But also his is one of the first examples of something that we'll see a lot of here in some coming examples, which is when his mother died and when he became king, there was eclipses that were bouncing back and forth between Scorpio and Taurus for that entire year because the nodes were moving through Scorpio and Taurus and through his fourth house and his tenth house.

这实际上说明了一点：当日月食尤其发生在第四宫和第十宫时，往往能揭示第四宫与第十宫之间潜在的相互关联。

So one of the things that that actually demonstrates is that when eclipses start happening especially in the fourth and the tenth house, it can show the interrelationship sometimes between your fourth house and your tenth house.

这适用于所有宫位，每当发生日月食时，你生活中通过这两个相对宫位看似无关的部分，有时会因为某种原因被联系在一起。

That's true of all of the houses that whenever eclipses are taking place, there will be seemingly unconnected parts of your life through those two opposing houses that sometimes will be drawn together for some reason.

对他而言，这是第十宫的情况——日月食发生在他的第十宫，他成为国王，某种程度上实现了成为国王的命运。

For him it was his tenth house, like eclipses taking place in his tenth house and becoming king and finally fulfilling his destiny in some sense of becoming king with that tenth house placement.

但这是在他母亲去世时发生的，而当时第四宫也在发生日月食。

But it was as a result of his mother dying with eclipses taking place in the fourth house at the same time.

显然，对他来说这两者之间有着非常密切的关联，但未来我们还会看到其他类似的例子。

There was obviously close interrelationship there that was very specific for him, but we'll see some other examples like that in the future.

好的。

All right.

我们继续吧。

Let's move on.

很有趣。

Interesting.

最后再补充一点想法。

Just one last thought.

他的金牛座月亮与他母亲的儿子相合。

His Taurus Moon was conjunct his mother's son.

这真有意思。

It's just interesting.

只是一个小提示。

Just a little FYI.

不错。

Nice.

是的，家庭相位关系。

Yeah, family synastry.

好的。

All right.

接下来我们来看下一个例子，这个例子更贴近你，我的加拿大朋友，我们来看看加拿大现任总理贾斯汀·特鲁多的星盘。

So moving on to our next example, our next one is closer to you, my Canadian friend, where we have the chart of Justin Trudeau who's the current Prime Minister of Canada.

他出生时上升星座是处女座，水星位于第九宫的射手座，与木星和海王星同在射手座，且为夜盘。

And he was born with Virgo rising and Mercury in Sagittarius in the fourth whole sign house, co present with Jupiter in Sagittarius and Neptune in Sagittarius in a night chart.

所以我觉得关于贾斯汀·特鲁多最有趣的一点是，我一想到他就能意识到，贾斯汀·特鲁多是加拿大现任总理，而他的父亲也曾是加拿大总理，虽然不是紧接在他之前，但他父亲是加拿大历史上任职时间最长的总理之一。

So the main thing that I thought was interesting about Justin Trudeau that I realized as soon as he came up was that Justin Trudeau is the current prime minister of Canada and his father was actually also a prime minister of Canada before him, not immediately before him, but his father was one of the longest serving prime ministers in Canada's history.

现在贾斯汀已经连任多届，也正逐渐成为加拿大历史上任职时间最长的总理之一。

And now Justin has served multiple terms and he's also starting to become one of the longest serving prime ministers in Canada's history.

所以这又是另一个类似的例子，只不过发生在政治的另一个领域——儿子接替父亲，或儿子追随父亲的脚步。

So this is just another one of those examples but in a different area of politics of a son taking over from their father or a son following in their father's footsteps.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，他父亲真的非常重要。

I mean, his father is really important.

他父亲在任时，加拿大的宪法还保存在伦敦。

His father literally Like until his father was prime minister, the Canadian constitution was in London.

我们表面上是自己国家的自治领，但我们的宪法依然由英国议会中的女王守护。

We we were ostensibly, you know, a dominion in in our own country, but our constitution was still, you know, safeguarded by the queen in British parliament.

当皮埃尔·特鲁多担任总理时，他主持了一场盛大的仪式，制定了全新的宪法，而我记得那天我还放假了。

When when Pierre Trudeau was prime minister, he had a new constitute constitution written in a whole ceremony, and, you know, I got the day off school.

我当时14岁。

I was, 14 at the time.

13岁，快14岁了。

13, going off 14.

所以是的。

And, so yeah.

他当了16年总理，皮埃尔是加拿大历史上第二长寿的总理，但在加拿大一个关键转折点上发挥了极其重要的作用。

I he's and he was prime minister for sixteen years, Pierre, the second longest standing Canadian prime minister, but really, really instrumental at a a a turning point for Canada.

要理解这一点，你在贾斯汀的身上也能看到：如果你不知道背后的背景，就很难明白其中的意义。

The thing to understand, and you really see it in Justin's chart as well that that that, you you know, unless you know sort of the back story, it won't make much sense.

皮埃尔·特鲁多出生在蒙特利尔，父亲是法裔加拿大人，母亲是英语母语者，这看起来可能没什么大不了，但在蒙特利尔，这实际上就像拥有双重种族身份，或者说，如果拿美国的情况来类比，这就像是一个人融合了两个世界。

Pierre Trudeau was born to a a French father, French Canadian father, and an English speaking mother in Montreal, which may not seem like a big deal, but if you're in Montreal, that really is like being biracial, so to speak, or at least, like, if if you try to relate it to an American context, it has that kind of quality where, someone is a combination of of the two worlds.

皮埃尔·特鲁多在任期间之所以重要，是因为他努力弥合加拿大这两个语言群体之间的隔阂，这两个群体就像两个政治阵营，而贾斯汀也是如此。

And part of what made Piero Trudeau an important prime minister in his time was the way he worked to reconcile the divide between those two language groups in Canada with that that sort of identify you know two political camps, if you will, and Justin.

从更广的背景来看，他是魁北克父亲和不列颠哥伦比亚母亲的儿子，因此在加拿大人眼中，他被视为一个连接东西部的人。

In a broader context he's the he's the son of a a of a Quebec father and a British Columbia mother so in a Canadian context he's seen as like a guy who brings together the East and West.

就像皮埃尔是那个将英语和法语群体团结起来的人一样，当你看到贾斯汀第四宫中海王星、水星和木星位于射手座时，我看到的就是这种将水星和木星以这种方式结合，就像把加拿大东部和西部联合在一起一样。

The same way that Pierre was the guy who brought together the English and the French So when you see that fourth house that Justin has with Neptune, Mercury, and Jupiter in Sagittarius, yeah, that's what I see there is this sort of the bringing Mercury and Jupiter together in that way is like, yeah, bringing the the, you know, Eastern Canada and Western Canada together in a union or or something to that effect.

特鲁多家族所象征的，正是这种在加拿大看似无法弥合的对立世界之间架起的桥梁，而加拿大确实是一个非常分裂的国家。

That's what the Trudos tend to signify is this bridge between these otherwise seemingly unbridgeable worlds that you get in Canada, which is a very divided place, really.

它并不是像美国那样的国家。

It's not a country in the same way that The United States is.

它不是一个如此紧密统一的整体。

It's not this sort of cohesive unit.

因此，这些因素显得尤为重要。

And so it makes these factors all the more important.

还有关于

Other thing about

这确实是个有趣的观点，因为在古典占星学中，变动星座被认为代表其所象征事物的两个方面。

That's Justin an interesting point just because in ancient astrology, mutable signs are said to indicate two of whatever they signify.

所以，上升星座的守护星位于第四宫，而射手座是变动星座，这正体现了这一点。

So that's sort of what's coming through there with the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth house and immutable sign in Sagittarius.

这一点是值得留意的——我们不会在每个案例里都特意点明，但往往星落座位都会传递出某些信息，可能来自星座的特质、守护星的状态，或是其他类似的相关因素。

And that's something to pay attention to that we won't always note in every example, but that oftentimes the sign placement, there will be something that comes through the quality of the sign or the condition of the ruler or other things like that.

对。

Yeah.

关于第四宫还有另一件事：皮埃尔·特鲁多在2000年9月离世时，举办了一场盛大的葬礼。那阵子我刚好回蒙特利尔待了几个月，你可以去现场送别，那场葬礼毫无疑问是国家级的高规格国葬，就和美国总统去世时的规格一样。

The other thing to say about that fourth house, when Pierre Trudeau died in September 2000, there was a huge funeral, I happened to be back in Montreal at that time, just for a couple of months and, you know, you could go see the the cop and it was like a state, big state funeral, obviously, like the same thing when a president dies.

而当时正处于土星回归期的贾斯汀，在加拿大全国电视转播下致了悼词。那场悼词至今都算得上是加拿大演讲史上，或是说加拿大媒体史上极具标志性的经典内容之一。

But Justin, who was just having his Saturn return at the time, Justin gave the eulogy on Canadian television and it's still seemed to be you know one of the sort of signature pieces of Canadian oratory, I suppose, and you know Canadian media history.

所有人都见过他那场演讲，那是一场饱含深情的证词，诉说着他的父亲、父亲的事业与留下的遗产。

Everyone saw him give this, you know, speech this really impassioned testimony to his his father and his father's work and legacy.

那场演讲的最后，他说了一句‘爸爸’。

And, you know, he sort of he the the the speech ended with him saying, you know, papa.

‘我爱你，爸爸’，就这样宣泄出了满腔的情绪。

I love you, dad, and, you know, you know, this this outpouring of emotion.

我就是在那个时刻，政界的人们都反应过来了：哦，我们得让这个年轻人进入政坛。

And I think it was right there and then that, you know, people in the in the political world said, oh, we gotta get that kid into politics.

正是他亲自在电视上为父亲发表悼词，这成为了开启他政治生涯的关键一步。

It's directly him him giving that that eulogy for his father on television is absolutely the the key in the door that began his political career.

而且，你知道，他们开始逐步培养他。

And that you know they started sort of grooming him to.

是的，你知道，某种程度上，特鲁多家族是加拿大最接近肯尼迪家族那样的政治王朝，尤其是在贾斯汀成为总理之后。

Yeah you know take up his father's mantle in in a way that the Trudeau's are the closest thing you're going to get in Canada to a sort of Kennedy esque dynasty, I suppose, at least now that, you know, Justin has been prime minister.

而且，你知道，我

And, you know, I would I

这让我想到我们稍后会谈到的杰夫·巴克利的例子，他也曾有一个重大转折点，那是什么时候？

would That's evocative of like the Jeff Buckley example that we'll talk about later where he also had a big turning point at What was it?

就像是

Was like a

对。

right.

音乐会？

Concert?

为他父亲举行的纪念音乐会。

Memorial concert for his father.

是的，正是如此。

Yeah, exactly.

这是一种典型的第四代继承模式，儿子凭借父亲的遗产而崛起。

Very fourth house kind of thing where the son is ascending by virtue of the father's legacy.

你知道，即使与这种遗产有所冲突，它仍然在某种程度上提升了儿子的地位。

You know, if being at odds with that legacy, it's still sort of, you know, it bolsters the son.

是的，另一个因素是，有些子女试图超越他们的父母。

Yeah, well, that's another element here is like, will he be able to sometimes sons or daughters who attempt to exceed their parent.

你知道，他父亲的任期似乎比他目前的更长。

So, you know, his father was longer I think serving than him currently.

到目前为止。

So far.

对。

Yeah.