占星学中的月亮：含义与运用

这就是为什么几周前我记得我发过一条内容，提到月亮在第三宫有她的喜悦。

And this is one of the reasons why a few weeks ago, I remember I posted something, I spoke about the moon having, you know, her joy in the third house.

你知道吗？

You know?

我记得有个人给我发了邮件，说：什么？

And some I I remember somebody sort of, like, emailed me and said, what?

月亮在她丈夫的第三宫？

Moon in you know, her husband joined the third house?

你知道吗？

You know?

我们可以看到这里存在的联系，因为第三宫与旅行有关联。

And, again, we can kind of see the connection there because, you know, the third house is associated and linked with travel.

我们可以看到，船只横渡水域、漫游，这正是为什么月亮会在这一宫获得喜悦的原因。

And we can see how, you know, boats crossing the waters, wandering, again, why she would have her joy in that particular house.

所以月亮真的非常迷人。

So the moon is really fascinating.

当我们真正开始审视这些关键词时，尤其是瓦伦斯提到的那些，确实非常重要。

When we really start looking at many of these keywords, which you've mentioned just by Valens there, it's very, very important indeed.

这代表了我们最物理层面的转世。

It's our incarnation in the most physical level.

这就是月亮所代表的意义。

That's what that Moon represents.

是的。

Yeah.

这是他最首要的含义，而且很有趣，因为他是在做对比。

And that's his very first signification and it's interesting because he's contrasting.

我们本可以以太阳开始这个系列，但我们却选择了月亮。

We could have started this series with the Sun, we're starting with the Moon.

我认为这在很大程度上是个好主意，因为月亮离我们更近，在占星学中也极为重要。

I think that's actually a good idea for the most part because of the Moon being closer and how important it is in astrology.

但如果我们从月亮开始，就会忽略一点：瓦伦斯在赋予含义时，是把太阳放在第一位的，因为他将太阳与光明的概念联系在一起。

But one thing that we are missing by starting there is that Valens in his significations, he gave the Sun first and he associates the Sun because it's the concept of light.

他将太阳与人的智力、灵魂、精神、思维和智慧联系在一起，因为太阳发出光芒，而月亮则不然。

He associates the Sun with the intellect and the soul and the spirit and the mind and intelligence of the person because the Sun emits light versus the Moon.

他谈到月亮接收并反射光线，而且由于月亮是我们最接近的行星或天体，因此它象征着人的肉体生命和物质化身，这是他最早提到的象征意义之一。

He talks about the Moon receiving light and reflecting light and also because it's the closest planetary body or celestial body to us that it signifies One of his very first significations is physical life in the body and the physical incarnation.

所以，月亮与人的肉体化身和身体相关的观念很可能是一个非常好的起点，这一观点贯穿了整个传统——月亮关乎人的肉体存在，而非精神或灵性层面的存在，我们可以这么说。

So that is probably a really good starting point, the notion that the Moon And this runs through much of the tradition, just the notion that the Moon has to do with one's physical incarnation and physical body as opposed to one's mental or sort of spiritual body, let's say.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

稍微岔开一下话题，当我们进入……我的意思是，这里可能带有一点偏见，因为如果深入几乎所有灵性教导，它们谈到创世之初，比如《圣经》中，似乎最先被创造出来的是光。

And just to digress there a moment there, when we go into I mean, there may be a little bit of biasness there insofar as that in all if if we go into pretty much most spiritual teachings and they speak about perhaps the beginning, if you go to the bible or something and they speak about the creation, the first thing that seems to have been created was that light.

你知道，在《圣经》里，它说，哦，起初是混沌与黑暗。

You know, in the Bible, say, oh, it was, you know, it was, you know, nonform and darkness.

所以，这实际上给我们一个暗示：也许月亮所代表的女性原型，其实从一开始就存在了。

So again, so it's actually giving us a clue that maybe aspects of the moon, that feminine archetype, was actually there in the first place.

在所有神话中，谈到创世时，通常都会先提到水，这非常有趣。

They speak about it's quite interesting in all mythologies, very often when they speak about the creation, there's always water there first before anything else.

但没人能解释清楚水是从哪里来的。

But nobody can seem to explain how the water got there.

但总是有水存在，而月亮正是掌管水的星球。

But there's always seems to be water, and, again, the moon is the planet that presides over the water.

所以，我们再次触及到了那种女性能量。

So, again, we're tapping into that feminine energy there.

但太阳或光似乎是首先被创造或诞生出来的东西。

So but the sun or the light seems to be the first thing that was, you know, was given birth to or was created in some kind of way.

因此，光似乎再次占据了主导地位，代表着男性能量。

So the light seems to take, again, precedence again, the masculine energy.

这可能是一种父权制的体现，或许正是太阳优先出现的原因。

And that could have been maybe a patriarchal thing, maybe, perhaps, as to why it is that the sun comes first.

因此，这可能是当时思想体系中父权制的一种表现。

So it may be a patriarchal manifestation of the schools of thought of the time.

但我会说，月亮也同样存在，而且同样重要。

But I would say the Moon was also there as well, again, just as important.

这让我想到古希腊占星术中关于世界诞生的古老神话星盘，称为‘主题宇宙’（Thema Mundi）。

That makes me think of in ancient mythical birth chart for the birth of the world in ancient Hellenistic astrology called the Thema Mundi.

是的。

Yes.

据说世界诞生时的星盘是以巨蟹座上升，月亮位于巨蟹座的上升点，其余行星则根据与太阳的相对速度和距离，按黄道顺序排列：狮子座是太阳，处女座是水星，天秤座是金星，天蝎座是火星，射手座是木星，摩羯座是土星，而月亮被显著地置于上升点和第一宫，象征着物质宇宙的诞生。

It was said to have that the world was supposed to have started its birth chart is supposed to have Cancer rising with the Moon in Cancer in the Ascendant and the rest of the planets flanking out in zodiacal order based on their relative speed and distance from the Sun in Leo next to Mercury in Virgo, then Venus in Libra, Mars in Scorpio, Jupiter in Sag, and Saturn in Capricorn, but it has the Moon very prominently placed on the Ascendant in the first house for the birth of the physical cosmos.

对。

Yeah.

我接受这个说法。

I'll I'll take that.

你接受这个说法？

You'll take you'll take that?

这是你认可的吗？

That's your you'll accept that as the

我接受这一点。

I'll accept that.

当然。

Definitely.

好的。

Okay.

月亮是第一位的，尤其对我们地球人来说，因为在出生图中，它是最具个人意义的行星。

The moon the moon comes first, and especially for us on planet Earth because for us, it is And in in the birth chart, it is the most personal planet.

你不可能比月亮更个人化了。

You can't get more personal than the Moon.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个非常好的观点。

That's a really good good point.

好的。

Okay.

身体与心智、理智或精神在古代占星术中的对比。

Physical body as contrasted with the mind or the intellect or the spirit in ancient astrology.

你提到月亮根据行星喜乐体系与第三宫相关联，我觉得这个方向很有意思。

You talked about how the Moon is associated with the third house according to the planetary joys scheme, I thought that was going in an interesting direction.

让我试着调出一张我关于行星喜乐的图表，这样我可以向大家展示一下，因为这确实是个很有趣的点。

So let me see if I can pull up a diagram that I have for the planetary joys just so I can show people that because that's actually a really interesting point.

这是给观看视频版的观众看的，一张展示古代行星喜乐概念的图表，其中水星被认为其喜乐在第一宫，并与第一宫相关联。

Here it is for those watching the video version, just a diagram that shows the ancient concept of the joys of the planets where Mercury is said to have its joy in the first house and it's said to be associated with the first house.

对。

Yeah.

土星在第十二宫。

Saturn in the twelfth house.

木星在第十一宫，与金星的喜乐在第五宫相对。

Jupiter in the eleventh opposite to Venus having its joy in the fifth.

嗯。

Mhmm.

火星在第六宫。

Mars in the sixth.

太阳的喜悦在第九宫，第九宫被称为神之宫。

And then the Sun has its joy in the ninth place which is said to be The ninth house is actually called the house of God.

是的。

Yeah.

它与月亮的喜悦在第三宫相对，第三宫被称为女神之宫。

And it's opposite to the Moon having her joy in the third house, which is said to be the place of goddess.

对。

Yeah.

因此，古代占星师，比如维提乌斯·瓦伦斯，有时不会直接说第三宫、第九宫、第十宫等，而是用它们的名称来称呼。

So sometimes the ancient astrologers instead of like Vettius Valens, instead of referring to third house, ninth house, tenth house or what have you, they'll call it the house by its name.

所以他们会说第三宫是女神之宫或女神的居所。

So they would say the place of goddess or the house of goddess for the third house.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你之前提到的一个观点是，因此，可能部分由于这种关联，月亮本身具有一些与旅行、漂泊以及信息相关的固有含义，而第三宫也传统上从月亮那里继承了一些含义。

So one of the points that you were making is then as a result of that, probably partially due to that connection, both I mean, the Moon has some inherent significations of its own that have to do with travel and wandering and also messages, but also then the third house picks up some significations traditionally from that as well.

是的。

Yeah.

毫无疑问。

Most definitely.

是的。

Yeah.

而且甚至可能与兄弟姐妹有关，你知道，我一直在说，是的。

And and even perhaps even with brothers and sisters, you know, I've been I've been Yeah.

你知道，我一直在长时间思考月亮的喜宫。

You know, just pondering for quite a long time as to the house of joy of the moon.

这与兄弟姐妹之间有联系吗？

Is there an association with brothers and sisters?

当然，你和兄弟姐妹之间总会有一种情感纽带或某种情感联系。

Well, of course, you're gonna have some kind of emotional bond or some kind of, you know, emotional connection with brothers and sisters.

我知道有人会说，那父母呢？

I know one can say, oh, well, what about the parents?

嗯，确实有父母，但我们并不像与父母那样与兄弟姐妹交流或产生共鸣。

Well, yeah, there are parents, but we we don't we don't we don't communicate or we don't we don't, you can say, vibe with our brothers and sisters the same way we do with our parents.

我们可能会向父母征求某件事的许可。

We may wanna ask our parents for permission for something.

但与兄弟姐妹，尤其是当年龄差距不是太大的时候，你们之间总有一种特殊的家庭纽带。

With with with with our siblings, especially if they're not too you know, if the age gap is not too, you know, too wide, you know, there's something there about that family.

这种情感联系是独特的，我们可以去感受、去建立连接。

There's something there about that emotional bond that we can play with, that we can, you know, we can connect.

这与月亮的能量密切相关。

And it's very lunar orientated.

它和母亲与父亲的关系是不同的。

It's something different from mother and father.

而且，这同样也发生在那个家里。

And again, it's also in that house also as well.

而且，除此之外，我们还要考虑旅行的影响。

And and again, on top of that, then we get the traveling too.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a good point.

所以瓦伦斯说，对于月亮而言，年长的兄弟姐妹是月亮的象征之一。

So Valens says older siblings for the the Moon is one of the significations of the Moon.

没错。

Exactly.

除此之外，母亲也是他提到的首要象征之一，涉及其他家庭成员，以及保姆或被哺乳的概念。

So in addition to that is the the mother is one of the first significations that he gives in terms of other family members as well as the nurse or like being nursed and the concept of being nursed.

但与母亲的联系同样重要。

But the connection with the mother then is important.

瓦伦斯将太阳与父亲联系起来，将月亮与母亲联系起来，但仅凭这一点就可能将我们带回一些生理层面的含义，比如一个人在生命的最初九个月——从受孕到出生——都与母亲在一起，本质上是她身体的延伸。

Valens connects the Sun with the father and the Moon with the mother, but that in and of itself might tie us back into some of the physical connotations in the sense of like, you a person You are with your mother for your first, let's say, nine months of physical life from conception until birth and are essentially an extension of her body in and of itself.

因此，与母亲之间存在着一种真实的生理联系。

So there's this real physical connection with the mother.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我们在这里看到了某种联系。

And so we see some connection there.

对。

Yeah.

当然了。

Oh, most definitely.

而且关键在于，当我们还在母亲子宫里的那九个月里，根本不存在分离，而这正是月亮的特点。

And and the the thing is is while we're in our mother's wombs for those nine months, there is no and that's the thing with the Moon.

月亮不会分离。

The Moon doesn't she doesn't separate.

她会把所有事物都视作一个整体。

She she sees everything as as one.

几乎是一种融为一切的状态。

There's almost like a merging into one.

所以当母亲怀着我们的时候，也就是我们在子宫里的那九个月里，我们和母亲之间是完全没有分隔的。

So when our mothers are pregnant with us, when we're in the womb for those nine months, there is no separation.

孩子和母亲本就是一体的。

Child and mother are one.

哪怕孩子出生、脐带被剪断后，这种联结依旧强烈——我们依然需要从母亲那里获得抚育，这也正是月亮象征滋养的原因：我们要依赖母亲，不管是母乳喂养还是奶瓶喂养，都离不开母亲的照护。

And even when the child is born after the umbilical cord is cut, there's still a very strong because we still have to go to mother for the nurture hence why the moon represents the nurturing, because we rely on our mothers to perhaps breastfeed us or whether it's a bottle also as well.

这类抚育的职责，往往都是由母亲来承担的。

These are the kinds of things that it it tends to be the mother's duty to do that.

我不是说父亲不能参与抚育孩子，只是这份职责主要还是由母亲来承担。

I'm not saying father can't be involved in in nurturing the child also as well, But it's primarily the mother's duty to do that.

毕竟父亲没办法进行母乳喂养。

The the father can't breastfeed.

是母亲在做这些事。

It's the mother that does that.

因此，这种养育的特质将我们与月球能量紧密联系在一起。

So there's this nurturing quality that really ties us in with that lunar energy, with that moon energy.

是的，这个观点非常好。

Yeah, that's a really good point.

母亲用自己身体哺育婴儿，这种联系再次体现了其真实的生理特质。

Just the idea of the mother physically feeding from her own body, the infant, and that connection there again in terms of a real physical quality to that.

对。

Yeah.

因此，当我们参考瓦伦的关键字时，他会告诉我们月亮掌管乳房。

And hence why when we go to Valens' keywords, he lets us know that the Moon rules the breasts.

没错。

Right.

乳房的主要功能之一就是哺乳婴儿，为孩子提供养育和安慰。

The breasts are that's one of the main purposes of the breast, is to breastfeed the child, is to provide the child some kind of nurturing comfort, you know.

所以我们看到了那里之间的联系和关联。

So we see the link and the connection there.

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a really good point.

这也与我听说过的传统说法有关，即黄道十二宫与人体不同部位的对应关系。

And that also ties in with the I don't know what the traditional term I've heard it referred to as the zodiac man or the traditional associations of the different signs of the zodiac with different body parts.

身体部位，是的。

Body parts, yeah.

我正想快速用谷歌搜索一下，从黄道第一个星座白羊座开始，对应头部和身体上部。

And I'm trying to find one really quickly just using Google search, where you start by assigning the first sign of the zodiac which is Aries the head and the top of the body.

然后依次向下，金牛座对应喉咙，双子座对应手臂和肩膀，接下来巨蟹座对应胸部或乳房？

And then you work your way down to like Taurus with the throat and Gemini with the arms and the shoulders, and then Cancer is the next and it ends up being like the chest or the breast?

是的，乳房。

Yeah, the breast.

巨蟹座或月亮也主宰着胃部。

And Cancer also or the Moon also presides over the stomach.

为什么是胃部？

Why stomach?

因为进入胃里的东西是食物。

Because that's where food, what goes into the stomach is the food.

是食物滋养我们，让我们活下去，维持我们的生命。

It's the food that nurtures us, that keeps us alive, that sustains us.

所以，你有乳房喂养孩子，也有胃接收食物。

So again, so you have the breast that feeds the child and the stomach that the food goes into.

这些正是月亮或巨蟹座所主宰的事物。

Those are the things that the Moon or Cancer preside over.

是的。

Yeah.

食物与胃的关联非常重要，由此延伸出食物与身体滋养之间的联系，即维持人体和生命所需的物质基础。

And that food connotation is really important with the stomach, and then through that, the connection with food and like physical sustenance and that which it takes in order to maintain one's physical body and physical life

是的。

Yes.

这与维持自身精神或灵性生活所需的东西——更偏向太阳的特质——是截然不同的。

Which is quite separate from, you know, a more solar thing of what it takes to maintain oneself and one's mental or spiritual life or what have you.

但月亮与食物之间的这种联系确实很重要，这也将其与两个星座联系起来：巨蟹座和它的落陷星座金牛座，它们也都与此相关。

But that connection between the Moon and food then is probably somewhat important, then also ties it into two signs, Cancer and Taurus, the sign of its exaltation, are also sort of connected with that as well.

是的，毫无疑问。

Yes, most definitely.

我完全同意这一点。

I definitely agree with that.

是的。

Yeah.

我本来想提一下，因为你提到金牛座是月亮的落陷星座，但我的朋友是月亮在金牛座的人，对吧？

I meant to mention because you mentioned Taurus being the sign of its exaltation, but my friend are a Moon in Taurus native, right?

是的，当然。

Yeah, certainly.

好的。

Okay.

你会分享你的星盘吗？或者你是否愿意说，是的，是的，

Do you share your chart or you feel comfortable with Yeah, yeah,

当然。

most definitely.

哦，是的，是的。

Oh, yeah, yeah.

让世界看看吧。

Let the world see.

好的。

Okay.

因为我在我们开始谈话之前刚了解到，你实际上出生时巨蟹座上升，月亮是上升星座的守护星，并且在夜盘中位于金牛座得势。

Because I learned that it was important just before we started talking because you actually were born with Cancer rising in the Moon as the ruler of the Ascendant, exalted in Taurus actually in a night chart.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这非常强大。

So that's very powerful.

我确信我们接下来会谈到关于星盘分段的问题，我们肯定会进一步讨论月亮如何主宰夜盘，或者说它在夜间的影响。

I'm I'm sure we're gonna be talking about that in regards of the the sect, which we'll we will be discussing, I'm sure, you know, further down the line and how, you know, the moon rules, you know, the the nighttime chart or its insect, you know, by nighttime.

所以，如果非要说的话，这对我来说算是一种优势吧。

So that is something of, if you wanna say, call it an advantage for me, I suppose.

但我发现，那些在夜间出生或拥有夜盘的人，对月亮的反应方式与白天出生的人不同。

But I do find people who are born in the night or who have nocturnal charts, they tend to be they respond to the moon in a different way than people who are born in the day.

你知道吗？

You know?

我看到，无论你称之为情感反应、身体反应还是月亮相关的反应，对于夜间出生的人来说，这些反应都远比白天出生的人更强烈。

I see the the the whether you wanna say the emotional responses, the physical responses, the lunar responses tend to be far more stronger for those people who were born during in nocturnal birth than die alone.

是的。

Yeah.

我同意。

I I agree.

那我们来深入谈谈这个吧。

Let's so let's get into that.

这就是教派学说，即古代占星术中区分日间和夜间星盘的理论。

So that's the doctrine of sect, which is the distinction between day and night charts that's used in ancient astrology.

在这个学说中，有许多相关的内容。

And in that doctrine, there's a bunch of things connected with it.

几个月前我做过一期关于占星教派的节目，其中一点是，根据一天中不同时间段，存在所谓的‘教派光体’或主导星体的区别。

I did an episode on the astrology of sect a few months ago, but one of them is that there's a distinction between what's called the sect light or the luminary that's in charge during different parts of the day.

在白天，太阳是主导的光体，提供光明。

And that during the daytime, the Sun is the luminary that's in charge and that provides light.

但在夜晚，当太阳落到地平线以下，即太阳位于星盘下半部分时，就是夜间，此时月亮成为教派光体，它在夜间提供光明，本质上成为那个时段的主导星体。

But at night, when the Sun goes down below the horizon, anytime the Sun is in the bottom half of the chart, then it's nighttime and then the Moon becomes the sect blight and the Moon is the one that provides light, you know, at night and basically becomes the luminary at that point.

这也划分了两组行星：一组是日间或昼行行星，由太阳领导，其同伴是木星和土星。

And this also sets up a distinction between two teams of planets where you have a daytime or diurnal team of planets which is led by the Sun and its teammates are Jupiter and Saturn.

而夜间团队则由月亮领导，其成员是金星和火星。

And then there's the nighttime team which is led by the Moon and its teammates are Venus and Mars.

这基本上就是命宫学说的核心内容，我们就不深入展开了。

So that's basically the doctrine of sect without getting into it too much.

但这确实呼应了你之前提到的观点，即在古代占星术中，太阳和月亮的地位更为平等，远超过后来某些传统中的情况。

But that does, going back to your point from earlier setup, sort of parity between the Sun and the Moon where they're much more even in ancient astrology than than they did in some later traditions.

是的。

Yeah.

毫无疑问。

Most definitely.

是的。

Yeah.

这让你明白，即使是传统的，乃至中世纪的占星家，也都承认这一点。

And and and it lets you know that the traditional, even medieval, astrologers were you know, they they acknowledged this.

他们承认月亮的力量，认识到月亮的重要性及其所代表的意义，以及仅凭命宫体系就能体现的月亮的分量。

They acknowledged the the the power of the moon and what it is the importance of the moon and what she represented and what she, you know, the importance, you know, the weight of what she held based on even just sect.

再说一遍，这是太阳和月亮。

Again, it's it's sun and moon.

这是男性和女性。

It's it's masculine and feminine.

这是国王和王后，神与女神。

It's king and queen, god and goddess.

我们不能给予其中一方更多的权重。

We cannot throw more weight on one than the other.

它们两者拥有平等的权利，这么说吧。

They both have equal rights, so to speak.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

因此，这是人们应该注意的一个解释上的区别。

And and so that's one interpretive distinction that people should pay attention to.

就像你从一开始提到的，如果你白天出生，那么你的太阳星座对你来说可能稍微重要一些。

Like you mentioned right from the start is that if you're born with a day chart, if you're born during the day, then your Sun sign might be a little bit more important to you.

但如果你晚上出生，那么你的月亮星座以及月亮在你星盘中的位置，可能会比你的太阳星座对你更重要。

But if you're born at night, then your Moon sign and the position of the Moon in your chart may actually end up being more important to you than your Sun sign.

是的。

Yes.

毫无疑问。

Most definitely.

对于夜间出生的人来说，月亮的能量更容易被感知到。

The energies of the Moon are more readily accessible, so to speak, for the person who's born in the night.

但这并不意味着如果你白天出生，你的月亮就无效或以某种方式失去意义。

Now that doesn't mean if you're born in the day that your moon is void or in some way, shape, or form.

你依然拥有情感。

You still have the emotions.

显然，你依然会有母亲。

Obviously, you're still gonna have a mother.

你仍然需要被呵护。

You you still need nurturing also as well.

但这可能并不是什么重要的事。

But it may not be something of, you know, importance.

它可能不像那些夜间出生、月亮是主宰星座的人那样，在你所经历的某些事情或生活情境中占据主导地位，他们更倾向于从本能出发。

It may not be at the forefront of certain things that you, you know, witness or circumstances in life than somebody who was born in the night where the moon is the the sex ruler, they function more from an instinctual perspective.

我们可以说，这是一个相当合理的说法：夜间出生的人往往比白天出生的人更倾向于以月亮的本能方式行事。

We could say that that's probably a fair statement, that people who are born who have nocturnal births tend to function or tend to move more from a lunar instinctual manner than people who are born during the day.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

还有另一件事，是的。

And one of the other things Yeah.

关于月亮在夜间提供光明，有一整套话题我们可以探讨，我一直试图理清的问题是：月亮在夜间在多大程度上几乎成为了象征光明、理智和灵魂的太阳原则，而太阳在夜间又变成了什么。

There's there's a whole thing we could get into there about the Moon providing light during the night and this question that I've been trying to work through about to what extent then does the Moon at night become almost like the solar principle of indicating light and the intellect and the soul and things versus what does the Sun become at night.

如果一个人具有夜晚的特质，这代表什么？

If a person has a night charm, what does it signify?

我觉得深入探讨这一点会太偏离主题了，所以我先保留这个话题。

I think that would be too long of a digression to go into, so I'll I'll I'll save that.

但这确实很有趣。

But but it's quite interesting.

我认为这仍然是一个非常有意思的观点。

I think it's still a very interesting point.

太阳会怎样呢？

What happens to the Sun?

我的意思是，如果我们再回到一些神话中，比如埃及神话，他们认为太阳在傍晚落下时，会被蛇吞下，然后被吃掉。

I mean, if we, again, go to a little bit of mythology, if we go to the Egyptian mythology, for example, they had the idea that when the sun set in the evening, he was swallowed up by the serpent, and he was eaten.

所以，那时没有太阳。

So so there there was no sun.

当然，夜晚本来就没有阳光，但那时是完全没有太阳的。

Of course, there's no sunlight, of course, at night, but there was no sun.

他被吞食了。

He is eaten up.

当太阳在夜间运行时，它会经过第四宫，而第四宫是终结的象征。

He's he's and if if we look at the chart where the sun is traveling during the night time, it it goes through that fourth house, which is it's a place of endings.

它也是重生开始的地方，但某种意义上，它仍是终结之所。

It's, you know, it's also where the rebirth also starts as well, but it's a place of endings in some kind of way.

因此，月亮更加有生命力。

So the moon has is more alive.

她拥有更大的力量。

She has more power.

她掌控一切。

She is in charge.

如果我们从统治者、国王、女王的角度来看，月亮掌管着夜晚。

You know, if we look at them as in terms of rulers, kings, queens, rulerships, the moon is ruling the nighttime.

那是属于她的时刻。

That that is her time.

这不是太阳。

It's not the sun.

所以这并不意味着太阳原则不存在，只是它不在最前沿。

So the the it doesn't mean that the solar principle is not there, but it's just not at the forefront.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们可以说，这有点像总统和副总统的关系。

We could say we can liken it maybe to president or vice president.

你知道吗？

You know?

在白天，太阳是总统，而月亮可能是副总统。

In the daytime, the sun is the president, and the moon can be vice president maybe.

而在夜晚，情况则反过来。

And whereas at the nighttime, it's reversed.

月亮是总统，太阳是副总统。

The the the moon is the president, and the Sun is vice president.

他在幕后。

He's in the background.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得用总统和副总统来比喻非常恰当，取决于一天中的哪个时段，哪个天体占据主导地位，哪个虽然依然重要却处于次要角色。

I think that's a really good way to talk about it, president versus vice president and which one has a more primary or commanding role during that part of the day versus which one's still a player and is still important but is taking a secondary role in

某种程度上是这样。

some sense.

嗯，没错。

Well, yeah.

好的。

All right.

还有另一件事我想提一下，我的一位老师罗伯特·施密特在研读瓦伦斯的星象含义时注意到，瓦伦斯关注的一些核心概念似乎与传统的行星主宰体系相关，该体系将某些行星与其他行星对立起来。

So one other thing I wanted to mention, one of the things that one of my teachers, Robert Schmidt, mentioned and noticed when he was reading through the significations of Valens is that Valens focused on certain overarching concepts that seem to be tied into the traditional planetary rulership scheme which puts certain planets in opposition to different planets.

而像公元六七世纪的埃及人雷托里乌斯，也根据行星的 domicile 将行星的基本含义彼此对立。

And some of this like Rhetorius of Egypt in the sixth or seventh century also puts the basic significations of the planets in opposition to each other based on the domiciles.

对。

Right.

但施密特注意到的一些关键词，我稍作调整后采用了，就是太阳在其许多含义中的基本原则是它发出光或发出事物。

But some of the keywords that Schmidt noticed, and I've adapted this a little bit from him, is that, the Sun's basic principle in many of its significations is that it emits light or it emits things.

它闪耀或辐射。

It shines or it radiates.

而在狮子座尤其如此，这与土星在水瓶座拥有其 domicile 相对立，土星在许多含义中具有拒绝事物或说不的特性。

Whereas in the sign of Leo especially, and this is opposite to Saturn having its domicile in Aquarius and Saturn in many of its significations having this principle of rejecting things or, you know, saying no to things.

事物或排除。

Things or excluding.

对。

Right.

另一方面，月亮则具有收集和接收事物的基本含义或核心意义。

So the Moon on the other hand has this basic signification or core meaning underlying many of its significations of gathering and receiving things.

是的。

Yeah.

这与土星在摩羯座排斥事物的原则相反。

And this is opposite to Saturn's principle in Capricorn of excluding things.

所以我认为，‘收集’或‘接收’事物这一概念是月亮的核心原则，它在月亮的许多含义中都有体现，我们应当牢记这一点。

So I think that concept of gathering or receiving things is a really important core principle underlying the Moon that comes up in many of its significations that would be good for us to keep in mind.

是的，毫无疑问。

Yeah, most definitely.

她代表我们的接收者。

She represents our receptor.

她代表我们接收事物的方式。

She represents how we receive things.

如果我们回到根本，你知道，我们用来描述月亮的一个主要词是‘情绪’，即我们如何接收情绪。

When if we go back to the base, you know, one of the major words that we use for the moon, emotions, how we receive emotions.

如果我们回到养育这一概念，那么养育是如何进行的呢？

If we go back to nurturing, well, how how was the nurturing?

因为要被养育，就意味着你正在接收某些东西。

Because in order to be nurtured, it implies that you are receiving something.

如果有人在喂你，有人在给你东西。

If somebody's feeding you, if somebody's giving something to you.

因此，我们如何接收、有多开放，取决于月亮所在的星座、宫位以及月亮的相位和状态，这向我们展示了我们接收的方式。

So how we receive, how receptive are we, depending on what sign our moon is in and what house and the aspects and the condition of our moon, shows us how is it that we are able to receive.

当我谈到接收时，我指的不只是情感层面，还包括生理层面。

And when I talk about receive, I'm not just speaking on an emotional level, but also on a physiological level also as well.

我们是如何收集事物的？

How do we gather things?

我们与食物的关系，与环境的关系，我们如何与自然连接，因为月亮掌管着自然。

Our our relationship to food, our relationship to the environment, how we connect with nature, because the moon presides over nature.

你知道吗？

You know?

那么，我们是如何接收这些的？

So how how do we receive that?

我们如何与之建立联系？

How do we connect to that?

我们是如何收集东西的？

How do we gather things?

我们收集东西。

We collect things.

有时候我们会说某些东西具有某种情感价值，比如家族中传承下来的东西，或者我们会提到那些收集大量物品的人，称他们为囤积者，那些囤积东西的人。

Sometimes we speak about things having some kind of sentimental value, you know, maybe something that's been passed down maybe in the family, know, or we speak about people who perhaps maybe who collect lots of things, and we call them hoarders, people who hoard things.

这所有的一切都属于月亮的范畴。

Again, this is all Lunar stuff.

在我们人生的过程中，不断收集东西。

As we go through life, gather things.

我们获取东西。

We take things.

你知道吗？

You know?

你知道吗？

You know?

而这就是月亮所代表的意义。

And and that's what the moon represents.

月亮代表了我们内在的一部分，它收集了我们在地球上所有的人类和身体经验。

The moon represents that part of us that is she is the collector of all of our human and physical experiences while we are here on Earth.

它正在收集所有这些经验。

She is collecting all of that.

根据月亮在星盘中的位置、所处的宫位和条件，它会揭示我们如何获取、接收或收集这些特定经验——无论是生理上、心理上还是情感上，这一切都包含其中。

And depending where she is in the chart, what position she's in, what conditions she's in, she will shed light as to how we go about gathering or receiving or collecting these particular experiences, whether it's physiologically, whether it's psychologically, whether it's emotionally, it's all there.

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢这个说法。

I like that.

这真的很好。

That's That's really good.

它部分地与月亮接收太阳光并将其反射的概念相关，也就是‘接收’的概念。

And it's tied in partially with the notion of the Moon receiving the light of the Sun and reflecting it, notion of reception.

但回到行星天球的概念，月亮是最低的、离我们最近的天体，但同时它也是最快的，大约在二十八天内绕黄道运行一圈，也就是一个月左右，是的。

But also going back to the planetary spheres, the notion that the Moon is the lowest and the celestial body closest to us, but because it also is the fastest and it moves around the zodiac in just twenty eight days or about a month Yeah.

在古代占星学中，据说月亮收集了其他行星通过宇宙过滤下来的全部影响，然后月亮接收并汇集这些影响，再将它们传递给地球上的众生。

That the Moon collects In ancient astrology, it was said to collect all the effluences of the other planets that filter down through the cosmos, and then the Moon collects and receives them and then dispenses them to people on Earth.

这也是为什么会出现一些更复杂的相位概念，比如光的传递和光的收集，是的。

And that's one of the reasons why there are a number of more complicated aspect concepts like transfer of light and collection of light Yeah.

这些概念在中世纪占星学中发展起来。

That developed in medieval astrology

是的。

Yes.

我们稍后会谈到这些，它们在月亮收集和传递事物这一概念中变得非常重要，而且。

That we'll talk about in a little bit that become very important in terms of that notion of the moon gathering and conveying things and and

是的。

Yeah.

并将它们带到其他地方。

Taking them to other other parts.

当然了。

Most definitely.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当我们将目光转向本命盘时，这些因素实际上会开始奠定事物在我们生活中如何显现和展开的基调。

And those things actually, once we start delving into the natal chart, they actually start they start setting the tones of how things are going to manifest and play out actually in our life.

嗯。

Mhmm.

月亮是最值得关注的。

The moon is the one to watch.

你知道，她就是那个……她就像是一个触发器。

You know, she's she's the one who's, you know, she's sort of like she's the trigger.

明白吗？

You know?

她是触发点。

She's the she's the trigger point.

我们知道，即使在行运中，也经常看到月亮经过星盘中的敏感位置时，无论是行运、推进还是其他类似情况，总会发生一些事情。

We know sometimes even in transits, we've seen very often when the moon goes over a sensitive part in the chart, even by transit or by progression or something like that, something, you know, it it something tends to happen.

还有新月和满月，以及一年中我们所见证的这些重要且非常敏感的行星配置。

Also with new moons and full moons and, you know, these kind of important and very sensitive planetary configurations that we witness, you know, throughout the year.

所以月亮是关键。

So the moon is the key.

我总是称她为神谕者，就像《黑客帝国》中莫菲斯对尼奥说的那样：‘我们必须去见神谕者。’

She is I I always refer to her as the oracle, kind of like in in in the matrix when Morpheus is always saying to Neo, look, we gotta go and see the, you know, we gotta go and see the oracle.

你必须去见神谕者。

You gotta go and see the oracle.

我总是把神谕者，也就是月亮，比作神谕者。

I always liken the oracle, the the moon to the oracle.

她是我们的宇宙神谕者。

She is our cosmic oracle.

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

我真的非常喜欢这个。

That's I I really like that.

而且，那个先知也充满了强烈的月相能量，尤其是在第一部电影里。

Well, and and the oracle also had, like, a great, like, lunar energy, especially in that first film.

当然。

Definitely.

她欢迎尼奥进来，然后她，嗯。

Where she, like, welcomes Neo in and she Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

而且如果你注意到了，也很有趣，因为正如你所说，在《黑客帝国》里，她欢迎的是伊欧文，你可以看到她。

And if you noticed as well, it's quite interesting because it it like you said, in the matrix, she welcomes the Eowyn, and you see her.

她总是在做饭。

She's always cooking.

她总是在烤饼干。

She's always baking cookies.

这是月亮。

This is Moon.

她总是充满关怀。

She's always nurturing.

她身边总是围着许多孩子，她一直在照顾他们。

She had all these children around her that she's looking after.

这就是月亮的能量，你知道的。

This is Moon energy, you know.

对。

Right.

她曾经有一次不得不告诉他一个非常糟糕的消息，但她是以一种相当温和的方式传达的。

And she had been had really bad news to tell him at one point, but delivers it in very somewhat gentle way.

是的。

Yeah.

她是母亲。

She's the mother.

好的。

All right.

所以在我们继续之前，回到瓦伦斯，因为你提到了占有和囤积，以及那些积累的东西，而占有正是瓦伦斯的含义之一，包括人群的聚集、收益，比如物质上的收获，但也包括支出。

So going back to Valens before we move on, just because you mentioned You're talking about possessions and hoarding and that which accumulates that which you accumulate, and that is one of Valens' significations is possessions, gathering of the masses, gains, like material gains, but also expenditures.

所以就是你所聚集的东西，然后那个

So it's like that which you you gather and then that

其实这都关乎我们的财务。

that would all our finances, really.

是的。

Yeah.

有些东西

There's something

你知道，那里也有些东西。

You know, there's something there also.

我的意思是，别误会。

I mean, don't get me wrong.

我不是说第二宫不代表财务，或者金星或木星不能反映财务或第二宫的主宰。

I'm not saying the second house is not finances or, you know, Venus or Jupiter can't reflect finances or the rule of your second house.

但从根本上说，当我们真正想了解时，首先应该检查的是月亮。

But, fundamentally, when we really wanna get you know, that first place where we should check is the Moon.

我们应该考察月亮的状态，因为她能告诉我们我们有资格获得多少收益，能获得多少，以及支出情况如何。

We should check the condition of the Moon because she's letting to know how much gains are we entitled to, can we get, you know, what's the expenditures also too.

是的，所以是财产。

Yeah, so possessions.

然后其中一个有趣的象征是命运或福神，在古希腊罗马神话中，福神代表机遇，那种看似随机但又均衡分布的事物。

And then one of the interesting significations is fortune or two ks in the ancient Greco Roman mythology and the notion of two ks as chance as that thing that's kind of random, but it's like an even distribution.

而机遇是非常无常的。

And chance can be very fickle.

因此，月亮有时被视为有些无常，因为它有盈亏变化，相比其他行星，它的变化频率要高得多。

And in that way, sometimes the Moon is treated as somewhat fickle because it waxes and wanes and it changes very frequently compared to any of the other planets.

因此，由于月亮的易变性，它有时会被赋予一种不稳定的特质。

So there's sometimes this unstable quality that that gets associated with the Moon because of its changeableness.

是的。

Yes.

实际上，我还想补充一点关于财富的内容，因为我们知道，在星盘中有一个特定的点被称为‘幸运点’，它根据是日间或夜间星盘（即星盘的派别）而有所不同：如果是夜间星盘，就从月亮到太阳计算距离；如果是日间星盘，则从太阳到月亮计算，然后将这段相同的距离从上升点投射出去。

And I was actually gonna also add something to that in regards to the fortune because we know we have a particular point in our chart that's known as the part of fortune, which is based on whether it's a daytime or nighttime, the sect, whether you're, you know, there's a particular way where you count from the moon to the sun, obviously, if it's a nighttime chart, you count from the sun to the moon if it's a diurnal chart, and you take that same distance and you project it from the ascendant.

然而，幸运点以及另一个广为人知的阿拉伯点（或称‘Lots’）——其中最重要的两个就是幸运点和精神点。

However, the part of fortune or the two major known as Arabic parts or or the the lots, known also known as the lots, the two major ones, as we know, are the part of fortune and the part of spirit.

嗯。

Mhmm.

幸运点始终与月亮相关联。

Now the part of fortune is always associated with the moon.

对。

Right.

而精神点则始终与太阳相关联。

Whereas the part of spirit is always associated with the sun.

这更多与精神、心理层面的情况相关，而幸运点则关乎我们最有可能获得好运的地方，或者我们在物质世界中可以培养某种事物的领域。

So that's to do with more spiritual, mental kind of situations, whereas the part of fortune is to do with where we can be most fortunate or where we can perhaps maybe cultivate something in the physical world, on the physical realm.

比如，我们可以从幸运点出发数到第十宫，这或许能告诉我们另一种特定的领域，以及我们从事的职业或工作类型。

You know, we we count maybe the tenth house from the part of fortune, and that can maybe give us, you know, another particular place and what kind of occupation or work that we have.

所以，我想强调的是，幸运点与月亮有关。

So but, the point I'm trying to make is that the part of Fortune is associated with moon.

它的表现具有月亮的特性。

It's lunar in in in in its in its manifestations.

既然月亮是计算幸运点的关键要素或基础，那么月亮本身内在就包含着我们命中注定要拥有或培养的幸运元素，我觉得月亮向我们揭示了一些与生俱来的东西。

So if the moon is one of the key ingredients or basis of how to calculate the part of fortune, there should be no surprising that the moon itself has inherent within her an element of our fortune that we are destined to have or to cultivate or something that I feel with the moon, it shows us something that we it's something innate.

这是与生俱来的。

It's something that we're born with.

我们可以根据自身的意识水平去培养、实现、改善或拓展它，但它本来就存在。

We can cultivate that, or we can make that, or we can improve on that, we can expand on that based on our level of consciousness, but it's something that's already there.

因此，通过观察出生图中月亮的位置，我们可以很好地了解自己与生俱来的幸运类型。

So by looking at the Moon placement in a natal chart, it can give us a very good idea of what kind of fortune is it that you are born into.

是的

Yeah.

我喜欢这一点。

I love that.

这太棒了。

That's great.

这实际上就是为什么我把命运之轮与命运、机遇或机缘这一概念联系在一起，并将其放在我的书封面上，书名定为《希腊占星术：命运与 Fortune 的研究》。

And that's actually why I put the wheel of fortune in connection with that concept of fortune or chance or two ks on the cover of my book and titled it Hellenistic Astrology, the Study of Fate and Fortune.

因为虽然古人将占星术视为研究命运的学问，通过出生图来了解一个人的命运，但它也涉及那种命运、机遇或天命的感觉。

Because while they conceptualized ancient astrology as the study of fate and and using a birth chart to learn a person's fate, it also had to do with that sense of fortune or chance or allotment.

是的。

Yeah.

而一个基于机遇的体系，能够研究像机遇这样的现象——比如，你出生那一刻行星的排列组合，这种当时无法控制的天象，能告诉你关于未来的某些信息，就像你洗一副塔罗牌并抽出几张牌时，那种随机的天命感，也可能蕴含着某种意义或目的。

And that a a system based on chance that could study something, chance like phenomenon, like the notion that at the moment that you're born, that the alignment of planets which is sort of there at that moment and is not controllable can tell you something about your future in the same way that when you shuffle like a deck of tarot cards and pull a few cards that that random sense of allotment that there can be something meaningful or purposeful about

是的。

Yeah.

你可以从中学到关于未来的信息。

That you can learn about the future from that.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

我真的很喜欢你书封面上使用的那个设计。

I I really love the the cover that you use there on your on on your book.

这非常贴切。

It's really appropriate.

还有书名《命运与 Fortune 的研究》，因为人们通常认为命运是负面或糟糕的，而财富则总是美好的，充满财富和类似的东西。

And the title, The Study of Fate and Fortune, because there tends to be this idea that, you know, fate is something bad or negative, and fortune always has to be good and, you know, full of riches and wealth and things of that nature.

但我认为财富有不同的层次，我们生活中的一些财富或幸运之事可能需要培养，需要努力经营。

But feel there are different levels of fortune, and there are certain fortune things that we may have in our life or fortunate things that we may have in our life that may need cultivating, that may need working on.

它们在某种程度上需要改进。

They need improvements in some way.

而且，如果我们去月球，她会告诉我们很多关于这一点的信息。

And again, if we go to the Moon, she tells us a lot about that.

确实如此。

Definitely.

好的。

All right.

在我们继续讨论瓦伦斯之前，最后一件事，我们花了大量时间在瓦伦斯身上，但我觉得我们还涉及了一些关键点。

So the last thing before we move on from Valens, we're spending a lot time on Valens, but I think And we've got some also Key

关键点。

key.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这非常基础。

Mean, it's so foundational.

它涵盖了大量基础概念，非常有用。

It covers so many foundational concepts that's really useful.

我只是想展示一张图表，列出瓦伦斯赋予十二宫的行星象征意义。

I just wanna show a diagram of the significations of the planets that are significations of the 12 houses that Valens gives.

是的。

Yeah.

因为我认为，再次关注第三宫，能让我们更深入地理解月亮及其喜乐宫位在第三宫，如何影响了古代占星学中第三宫的含义。

Because I think that that, again, looking at the third house kind of keys us in on a little bit more in terms of how the significations of the Moon and having her joy in the third house, how that kind of rubbed off on the meaning of the third house in ancient astrology.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一张列出行星象征意义的图表，瓦伦斯赋予第三宫的一些含义包括兄弟姐妹。

So here's a diagram that lists the significations of the planets and some of the significations that Valens gives for the third house are siblings.

是的。

Yeah.

就像你所说的，把兄弟姐妹与月亮、旅居海外以及旅行联系起来。

So like you said, connecting siblings with the Moon, living abroad, so travel.

旅行。

Travel.

但他还提到亲属和女王，这与第九宫象征国王相反。

But also, he says relatives and queen, which is opposite from the ninth house where the king is signified.

是的。

Yeah.

让我看看他还说了哪些关于第三宫的内容，是全部还是我漏掉了什么。

Let me see what else he says about the third house, if that's all of them or if I skipped any.

所以，兄弟姐妹、旅居海外、女王、权威、朋友、亲属、收入。

So, siblings, living abroad, queen, authority, friends, relatives, revenue.

是的。

Yeah.

我想第三宫的内容就这些了。

So I guess that's it for the third house.

瓦伦斯提到的另一个与你刚才讨论相关的点是移动和运动的概念，因为月亮是运行最快的天体之一。

The only other thing that Valens mentioned that was relevant that you started talking about a little bit was moving around and notions of movements because the Moon is one of the fastest.

是的。

Yeah.

它是天体中移动最快的。

It is the fastest of the celestial bodies.

因此，第三宫也正是因为这一点，因为第三宫的一个解释就是短途旅行。

And hence why also as well, again, that third house because one of the interpretations of the third house is short distances or short travel.

是的。

Yes.

你知道，短途旅行显然是很快的。

You know, short travel, obviously, is gonna be quick.

我想钻进我的车里。

I wanna jump in my car.

我想开上公路，或者我旅行，比如五英里、十英里、二十或三十英里左右。

I wanna go down the road or, you know, I'm traveling, I don't know, five, ten miles, twenty, thirty miles or something.

这些都属于短距离。

You know, these are like short distances.

这并不是说第三宫不能代表长途旅行，因为第三宫也可以是长途旅行。

It's not so much it's it's not that the the third house doesn't or or cannot be a long distance because a third house can be long distance.

它可能在国外。

It can be abroad.

它也可能实际上在另一个国家。

It can be actually also in another country also as well.

但关于第三宫，有一件事需要注意，这就是我对这两者的区别。

But there's something about the thing is with the third house because and and this is the distinction I make between the two.

第九宫是旅行，而第三宫——对宫——也是旅行。

The ninth house is travel, and the third house, opposite house also, is travel too.

所以人们会说：哦，我以为第九宫才是旅行。

So people then say, oh, well, I thought the ninth house was travel.

为什么第三宫也有旅行呢？

Why is travel also in the third house too?

但我认为它们是两回事。

But I think they're two different things.

第九宫更关注目的地。

Insofar as the ninth house, it's more concerned with the destination.

而第三宫则涉及一种临界空间。

Whereas the third house, there's something about the liminal space.

它发生在两者之间的过程。

It's it's what's happening in between.

嗯。

Mhmm.

从你离开一个地点前往另一个地点的那一刻起，所发生的一切。

What's happening from the moment you leave one point and you're going to the other.

它就是发生在两者之间的部分，而正是在这里，真正的联结发生了。

It's what's happening in between, and that's where the connection actually happens.

我经常发现那些第三宫非常突出的人，月亮落在第三宫的人。

And I often find people who have very prominent third houses, moon in the third house.

当我开始解释这种临界空间时，他们就会感受到，你知道，月亮的能量，或者第三宫的能量真正开始变得有意义。

When I start explaining about that liminal space, that's where they feel, you know, the energy of that moon or, you know, the energy of that third house really starting to make sense.

对它们来说，所有的联结都在这里开始变得清晰。

That's where the connections all start to make sense for them.

而第九宫则更像是，哦，我要去芝加哥之类的地方。

Whereas the ninth house is more, oh, well, I'm going to, you know, Chicago or something like that.

我要飞去芝加哥。

I'm gonna fly to Chicago.

我的关注点在于到达芝加哥后会发生什么。

My aim is on what's gonna happen when I get to Chicago.

我并不太关心途中发生的事。

I'm not necessarily concerned with what's happening in between.

事实上，我甚至不喜欢旅途中的那些环节，比如在检查站、机场排队，接受护照检查，或者在飞机上坐六个小时。

As a matter of fact, I don't even like the stuff in between, or the stopping at the checkpoints and at the airport and getting my passport checked out, standing on six hours on a flight.

我只是想尽快到达目的地，因为那里才是冒险真正开始的地方。

I'm I'm I don't I just wanna get to my destination, you know, because that's where the adventure is.

但第三宫更关注的是实际正在发生的事情。

But the third house is much more what's actually happening.

所以在某些方面，第三宫实际上可能比第九宫更与旅行相关。

So the third actually may be far more actually concerned with travel than actually the ninth in some aspects.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

而且我觉得我就是想，嗯…我想想啊。

And I think I like just going let's see.

回到第二页瓦伦斯的星曜征象来说，他提到了居所、船只、出行和漫游。

Going back to Valens' significations on that second page, he says, the home, boats, travel, and wanderings.

四处漫游的旅程。

Wanderings.

所以早在公元二世纪就有这样的说法了，这确实和旅行有关，但我还觉得船这个意象很有意思，因为船首先是一种旅行的交通工具，但同时你得进到船里面，才能乘着它去往另一个地方。

So it's right there in the second century, but it's travel, but also I thought boats was interesting because a boat is like something that you It's a vessel for travel, but also it's like something you get inside of in order to travel to a different place.

完全没错。

Exactly.

而且船是在水面上航行的，而在占星学里月亮主宰水域。

And a boat is something that travels across water and the Moon rules the waters.

是的，好观点。

Yeah, good point.

还有另一个好观点，即第三宫常常因为月亮运行得更快，所以在后来的占星传统中，它更常与短途旅行相关，而太阳则在其喜乐宫——第九宫。

And then that was another good point where third house is often because the Moon moves faster and so sometimes it tends to be in later traditions of astrology more associated with short distance travel versus the Sun which has its joy in the ninth house.

第九宫通常与长途旅行相关，因为太阳穿越黄道十二宫的速度较慢。

The ninth house tends to be associated with long distance travel and the Sun takes longer to move across the signs of the zodiac and is slower.

我也认为第九宫有时可能更关联于本地旅行或短途旅行，因为它是紧邻第四宫的宫位，而第四宫传统上与你的家和居住状况相关。

I also think that ninth might sometimes be associated more with local travel or short distance travel because it's the house that's right next to the fourth house, is the house traditionally associated with your home and living situation.

因此，第九宫紧邻第四宫，或说是从第四宫逐渐远离的宫位，所以它象征着在你社区内或某种意义上的本地移动。

So, the ninth house being right next door to that or being the house that declines or moves away from the fourth house, therefore is just like moving around in your neighborhood or moving around sort of locally in some sense.

由此延伸，它有时也象征你的邻居。

And by extension, it also sometimes then signifies your neighbors.

第三宫可以象征你的邻居，或有时象征其他零散的亲属。

The third house can signify your neighbors or sometimes other miscellaneous relatives get

对。

Yeah.

有点被归入了第三宫。

Sort of thrown in the the third house.

对。

Yeah.

堂表兄弟姐妹，还有近亲之类的，有时候也会出现在第三宫。

Cousins and, you know, next of kin and stuff, you know, sometimes can be there in the third.

没错。

Right.

但没错，第三宫确实能反映出周围的环境，也就是邻居。

But, yeah, those you know, the third house can bring up that the immediate surroundings, hence the neighbors.

所以，你周围环境中正在发生的事情，你的本地区域，第三宫往往会代表这些，而不是像第九宫那样代表国外的事物。

So what's going on in that immediate environment and your immediate surroundings, you know, the the third house will will will tend to you know, your local area as opposed to maybe something foreign, which tends to be more ninth house.

是的，这说得通。

Yeah, that makes sense.

好的。

All right.

所以再次谈到行星的喜悦，月亮位于第三宫，即女神的宫位。

So there's the joys of the planets again, Moon in the third house in the place of goddess.

我们已经讨论过月亮代表母亲。

We've touched on how the Moon is the mother.

在一些文献中，他们提到，我认为瓦伦斯或其他人说过，太阳象征父亲，或对命主起到父亲作用的人。

In some texts, they talk about how I think Valens or somebody says that the Sun signifies the father or the person who acts as a father figure to the native.

我认为这是一个重要的区别，值得提及，因为月亮也是如此：月亮象征母亲，但并不一定仅指生物学上的母亲，有时也指在某种意义上像母亲一样照顾命主的人。

I think that's an important distinction that might be worth mentioning because that's also true of the Moon where the Moon signifies the mother, but also it can sometimes not necessarily just be the biological mother only, but sometimes the one who acts like a mother to the native in some sense.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

因为当我们谈论母亲时，我们遇到过各种各样的母亲。

Because when we speak about mother, we have met mothers on so many different levels.

我们有生物学上的母亲。

We have our biological mother.

我们还有大地母亲。

We have mother earth.

因此，我们与地球的联系，与食物的联系，因为我们的食物来自大地。

So our connection with the earth, our connection with food, because our food comes from the earth.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们还有母亲，如果你愿意这么说的话，有时被称为母亲国家或保姆国家。

We have the mother, if you wanna say, the mother state or the nanny state sometimes it's referred to as.

因此，政府在许多层面上，尽管它看起来可能是父权制的，但实际上其中运作着一种母性特质或原型。

So the government on many levels, although it may seem like it's patriarchal, it's actually there's a mothering quality or archetype that that is operating within that.

或者，如果你无家可归或没有工作，某些政府会设立一些机制来养育你，给你钱买食物、提供住所和购买衣物。

Or, you know, if you're homeless or you don't have a job or certain governments will try to put maybe certain structures in place that will nurture you, give you some money to buy some food and have shelter and buy yourself some clothes.

同样，所有这些生理福祉，你知道，都是由这种母性力量所保护的。

Again, all this physiological well-being, you know, you know, it's protected by that.

因此，我们有不同层面或不同领域的母性。

So we have different levels or different areas of mother.

所以再次强调，我们的生母，对一些人来说，可能会因为各种情况而存在一些与生母相关的问题或困境。

So so again, our biological mother, for some people, they may depending on the circumstances, there may be situations or issues around maybe one's biological mother.

但同样，也可能存在养母。

But again, there could be a surrogate mother.

你知道，那就是一位母亲。

You know, that's a mother.

谁在照顾你？

Who's looking after you?

谁是保姆？

Who's the nanny?

你知道，谁在照顾你？

You know, who's looking after you?

而且，当我们观察星盘中月亮的位置时，它的星座、宫位和相位将帮助我们理解，基于月亮的配置，我们倾向于经历什么样的境遇。

What kind of and again, when we look at the placement of the moon in the chart, it will the sign, the house, the aspects will allow us to understand, will shed light on the kind of conditions that we are going to be predisposed to based on the placement of our moon.

我们拥有怎样的母亲？

What kind of mother did we have?

月亮的相位会表明可能存在的环境或状况类型。

Aspects to the moon will indicate perhaps maybe circumstances, what kind of circumstances there were.

这些是好的还是坏的呢？

Were they for the good or for the ill?

这些是具有挑战性的环境吗？

Were they challenging circumstances?

这些是轻松的环境吗？这一切都体现在出生图中。

Were they easy circumstances based on, again, it's all there in the natal chart.

因此，星盘向我们展示了我们与母亲的关系、与母亲的联系，以及我们从母亲那里获得了怎样的养育。

So the chart shows us and tells us the story about our relationship to mother, our connection with mother, what kind of nurturing did we get from mother.

是的，这一切都包含在其中。

So, yeah, it's all there.

好的。

Alright.

所以我想转入下一个部分。

So I wanted to transition into the next section.

我们之前讨论过生活在公元二世纪的维提乌斯·瓦伦斯，但现在我想跳过几个世纪，来到十七世纪，看看其中一位最后的伟大传统占星家威廉·利利是如何阐述月亮的象征意义的。他的著作《基督教占星学》大约于1647年在伦敦写成。

We've talked about Vettius Valens who lived in the second century, but I wanna jump forward several centuries to the seventeenth century and look at some significations of the Moon according to one of the last great traditional authors, which is William Lilly and his book, Christian Astrology, which was written, I believe, in London in 1647 or so.

是的，没错。

Yeah, that's correct.

所以我这里有一张图片。

So I've got a picture of it.

我记下了我要读的那些象征意义，但我想展示这张来自利利原著的图片，他在书中谈到了月亮及其属性和象征意义。

I wrote down the significations that I'll read, but I wanted to show this little picture of an original copy of Lilly where he talks about the Moon and her properties and significations.

他在其著作的引言部分，也就是第一部用英文写成的完整占星学著作中，提供了大量不同的内容。

And he gives a bunch of different stuff in his introductory text in the first basically full text on astrology written in English.

我听说一个传言，说有一本利利的书在共济会会长之间代代相传。

And do they still have I heard a rumor that there was a copy of Lilly that's passed down from presidents of the Lodge.

现在还是这样吗？

Is that still the case?

我还没拿到我的那本。

I haven't got my copy yet.

好的。

Okay.

那我们得查一查。

We'll have to look into that then.

得去一趟。

Gonna have to go

我还没拿到我的那本。

haven't got my copy yet.

它不知道丢哪儿了。

It's it's got missing somewhere.

我不清楚。

I don't know.

可能在尼克·坎皮恩和金·法内尔之间吧。

Maybe in between Nick Campion and Kim Farnell maybe.

我不清楚。

I don't know.