占星学中的第四宫主宰者

这实际上是一个非常强大的相互守护关系，我在之前的节目中多次提到过，当两个宫位的守护星交换星座时，这往往意味着这些领域在一个人的生活中非常重要，并且会将这些生活领域紧密地联系在一起，无论好坏，都取决于涉及的行星。

It's actually an incredibly strong mutual reception and something I've talked about a lot in the previous episodes that it's those mutual receptions where you have the rulers of two houses exchanging signs that you know that that's going to be a very important set of topics in the person's life and it's going to tie those areas of the person's life together very tightly for better or worse depending on what the planets are that are involved.

你总会发现这种关系非常突出，因此在我进行宫位守护星研究时，我现在会首先在数据库中寻找具有两个宫位之间相互守护关系的例子，因为很多这样的案例都是最典型的。

You'll always see that stand out so much that when I'm doing the rulers of houses research at this point, I've been starting with looking for examples in my database that have a mutual reception between two houses as my first order of business because many of those end up being the best examples.

我本来想说，这甚至比行星落入自己的守护星座还要好。

I was going to say I think it's even better than simply having a planet in its own rulership.

它让整个星盘更加稳定。

It stabilizes the chart even more.

这是一种真正有利的配置。

That's a real preferential condition.

是的。

Yeah.

这是劳拉告诉我的话。

So this is what Laura said to me.

她说：我这一生尝试过几种职业，但没有一种像房地产这样让我取得如此成功。

She said, I've had a few careers over my lifetime, but none gave me the success that I have had in real estate.

我在2018年2月左右经历了一次精神觉醒。

I had a spiritual awakening between 02/2018.

在2016年底，我开始意识到自己有能力让人生更上一层楼。

In late twenty sixteen I began to realize I had the ability to do more with my life.

在此之前，我完全没有自尊，也不相信自己。

Prior to that I had zero self esteem or belief in myself.

当时我从事大麻种植行业，属于第四宫，而且非常成功。

At the time I was in the cannabis industry as a farmer, also 4th house and very successful at it.

我看到将房产卖给迁移到她所在地区种植者的潜力，于是报名参加了房地产课程，在决定投身这一行后一个月内就拿到了执照，并且在这行取得了很大成功。

And I saw the potential in selling properties to growers moving to the area of where she lives and said, I took the real estate class and had my license within a month after deciding to go for it and have been very successful in that.

我已经从事这一行七八年了。

I've been doing it for seven to eight years now.

我其实写过一个笔记，当我查看星盘运行时发现，2016年底，南交点位于双鱼座，而她的第二宫恰好发生了一次日月食。

And I wrote a note actually when I looked at the transits that in late twenty sixteen the south node was in Pisces and there was an eclipse that took place there in her second house.

因此，我推测这一定是触发事件的一部分。

So this must have been part of the triggering event I would suspect.

她现在正在探索其他方向。

She's now exploring other things.

她说自己曾有过一段经历，在疗愈过去的创伤和潜意识固有模式方面取得了重大突破，现在她想找一份新事业，正在探索各类更具服务性质的事，但这些工作的收入都比不上房地产行业。

She said that she had an experience and had a major breakthrough in terms of healing past trauma and subconscious programming and now is looking to find a new career and is exploring different things that's more of service, but none of them pay like real estate.

而我在职业发展上也有些迷茫，现在我满脑子都在想自己是否还要继续做房地产这一行。

And I'm feeling somewhat lost when it comes to career and whether or not to stay in real estate is front and center in my mind right now.

我觉得这真的很有意思，因为金星在这个星盘里本就掌管第九宫，而且双鱼座的第二宫、还有另一个被激活的第九宫都即将迎来星食天象。

And I thought that was really interesting since of course Venus also rules the ninth house in the chart and there's eclipses starting to happen in Pisces again in the second house as well as in the ninth house, the other house that's getting activated.

所以说，这就是一个非常好的例子，房产行业和第四宫相关联，不仅能和第四宫的主题呼应，还能围绕第四宫相关的事务赚到钱。

So yeah, it was just a great example of real estate in connection with the fourth house and it being connected with that, but also making money in connection with fourth house topics.

对，这真是一个很棒的例子。

Yeah, that's a really good example.

没错。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

那么我们继续下一个例子，我想我之前可能提到过，我们在第一部分讲过凯莉·詹纳的例子吗？

So moving on the next example, I think maybe I mentioned previously, did we do the Kylie Jenner example in part one?

我不记得了，因为她命盘的上升星座守护星落在第四宫。

I can't remember because she has the ruler of the Ascendant in the fourth.

我不记得我们是在节目中讲过她，还是只是在准备节目时讨论过她。

I can't remember if we covered it on the episode or if we just discussed her while we were preparing the episode.

很抱歉，可能是其中一种情况。

I apologize It was one or the other.

我们确实在某个时候谈到过她。

We certainly talked about her at one point.

是的。

Yeah.

凯莉·詹纳是摩羯座上升，土星同时守护第一宫（自我）和第二宫（财务），并位于第四宫（家庭）。

Kylie Jenner has Capricorn rising, Saturn is ruling both the first house of self and the second house of finances and it's placed in the fourth house of family.

凯莉·詹纳是一位媒体名人、社交名媛和企业家，但她早年因出演关于她家庭的真人秀节目《与卡戴珊姐妹同行》而一举成名，该节目主要记录她家人的生活。

And Kylie Jenner is like a media personality, a socialite and a businesswoman, but she rose to fame early in her life on the reality television show about her family Keeping Up With The Kardashians which follows her family's life essentially.

詹纳利用她的名气创办了一家成功的企业，尤其是她的化妆品公司，并成为流行文化中最具影响力的人物之一，拥有庞大的社交媒体粉丝群。

And Jenner leveraged her fame to launch a successful business, most notably her cosmetics company and became one of the more influential figures in pop culture with a massive social media following.

但真正引人注目的是，她最终能够通过家庭或借助家族名声实现财务上的成功。

But it's really striking that essentially she was able to become successful financially in connection with her family or as a result of her family and family name at a certain point.

显然，这里更强调的是上升星座的守护星位于第四宫这一重点，但这与戴夫·格罗尔的星盘类似，甚至更突出——因为她的财富直接源于家庭，而且我认为她一度成为亿万富翁，是世界上最年轻的亿万富翁之一。

And obviously that's more of the focus here because we're talking about the ruler of the Ascendant being the fourth, but it's similar to the Dave Grohl chart, but even more so where there's an extra emphasis on the financial component that comes about as a result of the family because she actually I think became a billionaire at one point, one of the youngest billionaires basically.

对。

Right.

没错。

Right.

而且说实话，是的。

And I mean Yeah.

但他们能拥有真人秀节目，部分原因是因为他们有名人父亲。

But part of the reason they get a show is sort of like it has to do with having famous fathers.

我的意思是，这个节目叫《与卡戴珊姐妹同行》，因为她的同父异母姐姐金·卡戴珊，她们的父亲是OJ·辛普森的律师，而母亲后来离婚并嫁给了当时名叫布鲁斯·詹纳的人。

I mean, her half sibling that The show's called Keeping Up the Kardashians because her half sister Kim Kardashian, her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer, and then, of course, the mother was divorced and married, the the person who at the time was Bruce Jenner.

他们有了凯莉和她的一个兄弟姐妹，我认为。

And and they had Kylie and her, I believe, a sibling.

所以，确实，这个节目中涉及了一整个由父亲构成的王朝，正是这些父亲让这个家庭最初成为名人家族。

And and so, yeah, there's there's, you know, that there there's a whole sort of dynasty of fathers involved in the in the show and sort of what made the the this this family, you know, a family of celebrities in the first place.

对。

Right.

不过我认为我们在上一段讨论过这个问题，我当时指出，实际上推动真人秀启动的是她的母亲，是她最初提出这个想法，而且至今仍是这个家庭的女族长。

Although I think we did discuss this in the last one when I pointed out that it was actually her mother that was the driving force behind getting the reality show started and who pitched it originally and then still is kind of like the matriarch of the family.

所以这其实非常有趣。

So it's actually really interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

那就是克丽丝·詹纳。

That's Kris Jenner.

你说得对。

You're absolutely right.

但她的核心地位部分源于她先嫁给了罗伯特·卡戴珊，后来又嫁给了布鲁斯，也就是后来的凯特琳·詹纳。

But I mean, part of how she's sort of the the the power behind the whole thing is, you know, she's she was married first to Robert Kardashian and then to to Bruce, later Caitlyn Jenner.

而且他们确实利用了这两个姓氏的影响力。

And and there is there is some trading on both those names.

我知道我并不是想否认这个家族本身已经建立起的王朝地位，他们如今的名气甚至已经超越了两位父亲。

I I you know, I'm I'm not trying to take credit from from obviously what is, you know, a dynasty that's really established itself in its own right, and they've kinda surpassed the fame of the two fathers.

但我认为，这其中确实有某种因素在起作用。

But I think that, you know, there there was something to that.

我的意思是，是什么让他们脱颖而出？

Like, I mean, what made them stand out

是因为他们做到了这一点。

is they did this.

说他们不是。

Saying they're not.

我只是想补充一下，母亲在推动这个节目方面也起到了重要作用。

I was just adding that the mother was also important in terms of being the one that pitched the show for them.

当然。

Sure.

双亲都很重要，都与财务有关，这是一个非常直接的当代例子。

Both parents important, tied in with finances, very straightforward example as a contemporary example.

好的。

All right.

接下来这个例子是由帮助我研究这一集的人卡米尔·米歇尔·格雷指出的：美国作家哈珀·李的第四宫（家庭与生活状况）和第二宫（财务）的主宰星都在那里。

So moving on to the next one is this is one that was found by one of the people that helped me research this episode, Camille Michel Gray, pointed out that the American novelist Harper Lee has the ruler of the fourth house of home and living situation and the second house of finances.

哈珀·李最著名的作品是1960年出版的普利策奖获奖小说《杀死一只知更鸟》。

And Harper Lee is best known for writing the Pulitzer Prize winning book To Kill a Mockingbird in 1960.

这本书在如今的美国，几乎每个学生都读过，或者至少曾经读过。

This is like a book that all American schoolchildren read for the most part at this point or did at one point.

这是一部具有标志性的小说，通过一个小女孩斯库特·芬奇的视角，探讨了美国南方的种族不公与纯真丧失等主题。

But it's basically this iconic novel that explores themes of racial injustice and loss of innocence in the American South through the eyes of a young girl named Scout Finch.

在书中，斯科特的父亲是一位受人尊敬的律师，他为一名被错误指控袭击白人女性的黑人男子辩护。

And in the book, Scout's father is a respected lawyer who defends a black man who's wrongly accused of assaulting a white woman.

随后的审判暴露了社区中根深蒂固的种族主义和偏见。

And then the trial exposes deep seated racism and prejudice in the community.

但这本书有趣的地方，或者说其背景的有趣之处在于，《杀死一只知更鸟》是 loosely 基于哈珀·李成长的小镇创作的。

So what's interesting about the book though or what's interesting about the background behind it is that To Kill a Mockingbird was based loosely off of the town that Harper Lee was from.

而且它也 loosely 基于她成长过程中认识的人，以及她家乡真实发生的一件童年事件。

And also it's based loosely off of people she grew up with as well as a childhood event that actually occurred in her town.

事实上，她自己的父亲也是一名律师。

And in fact, her own father was a lawyer.

所以这个例子的基本要点是，哈珀·李通过写一本关于她家乡的书获得了生计，这本书深受她成长环境的影响。

So basically the synopsis of this example is that Harper Lee essentially made a living from writing a book about her town and it was heavily influenced by where she grew up basically.

而且在很大程度上，这几乎是她唯一写过的书。

And this was for the most part, this is basically the only book she wrote.

并不是说这是她唯一的一本书，但这是她最著名、最重要的作品。

It wasn't like the only only book, but this was like the major book that she wrote that she's known for.

所以我觉得卡米勒找到的这个例子真的很棒。

So I thought that was actually a really amazing example that Camille found.

是的。

Yeah.

我们在加拿大也读过这本书。

We read that book in Canada as well.

我记得很清楚，有一章开头写她以为世界末日到了，但实际上只是阿拉巴马州罕见地降了雪。

I remember very well the chapter that opens when she thinks the world is ending, but it's really just that there's been a rare snowfall in Alabama.

她的一位童年好友，我认为在书中有所体现，就是杜鲁门·卡波特。她与他保持了终身的友谊，并在他进行著名著作——关于一起谋杀案的研究时陪同过他，那本书的名字我一时想不起来了。

One of one of her childhood friends who I believe is is characterized in the book was Truman Capote, who she maintained a friendship, you know, with through adulthood, and she accompanied him when he was doing his, his research for his famous book about the murders, the title of which escapes me right now.

但没错，他们俩的火星也都落在25、26度的水瓶座。

But, yeah, and they both had, you know, the same Mars at '25, '26 Aquarius as well.

而且，没错，他也是她书中所描绘的那个世界的一部分。

But, yeah, like he's part of that world that she creates in the book as well.

因此，这带来了一个有趣的文学关联。

So there's an interesting literary association that comes up through that.

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

我忘了提到星盘位置，但哈珀·李的上升星座是天秤座，第四宫宫头是摩羯座，宫主星土星位于天蝎座的第二宫，在日间星盘中。

And I forgot to mention the chart placements, but Harper Lee has Libra rising, Capricorn is on the fourth house with the IC, and the ruler is Saturn which is placed in Scorpio in the second house in a day chart.

而且金星位于双鱼座与之形成良好三合相，木星位于水瓶座则形成刑相。

And it has this very nice trine from Venus in Pisces as well as a square from Jupiter in Aquarius.

因此，她凭借这本书、基于她的家乡获得了巨大的经济成功。

So she became very financially successful based on this book, based on her hometown essentially.

好吧。

All right.

谢谢卡米勒找到这个例子。

So thanks to Camille for finding that example.

好吧。

All right.

还有其他例子吗？

Other examples.

这是一个经典的例子，我常用来说明宫主星的关系，即毛里齐奥·古驰的出生图中，第四宫（家庭与父母）和第二宫（财务）之间存在相互守护。

This is a classic one I always use for the rulers of the houses, the birth chart of Maurizio Gucci who has a mutual reception between the fourth house of family and parents and the second house of finances.

他有巨蟹座上升，第四宫整宫为天秤座，由金星守护，而金星位于第二宫的狮子座。

He had Cancer rising with Libra on the fourth whole sign house ruled by Venus which is placed in Leo in the second house.

太阳实际上也在第二宫，并且位于天秤座。

And the Sun is really in the second house and it's placed in Libra.

因此，这两颗星正在交换星座。

So the two are exchanging signs.

这个人是古驰时尚帝国的孙子，在20世纪80年代继承了父亲名下约一半的生意，并最终接管了整个企业，因此获得了巨大的财务成功。

And this person was like the grandson of the Gucci fashion empire and in the 1980s inherited his father's essentially half of the business basically and ended up taking over the business, became wildly financially successful as a result of that.

基本上就是这样。

And that's basically it.

如果你看到这张星盘，却不知道这个人是谁，假设这是一个来访的客户，你看到第二宫和第四宫之间存在相互守护，你最基础的问题之一就是：你的家人或父母是否与你的财务、金钱或财产有某种联系？

It's like if you looked at this chart, you didn't know who this was and let's say it's a client that comes in, you see a mutual reception between the second house and the fourth house, one of the most basic things you're going to ask them is, is there a connection between your parents or your family and your finances or your money and possessions for some reason?

如果你只是简单地问这个问题，他们很可能会回答：是的。

And if you just asked that as just the most simple question, they would say yes.

他们会给出一个强烈的肯定回答，这看起来会相当令人印象深刻，但实际上只是基于星盘中一个相对简单的因素。

That would be a strong yes answer that they would come back and tell you, which would end up looking pretty impressive, but it's just based on something relatively simple in the chart.

你甚至可以问一个问题：你的家人名字有没有出现在人们用来装钱的物品上？

You could even wind up asking the question, does your family have their name written on an item that people carry their money around in?

这方面也确实存在。

There is also that element to it too.

它是

It's That's

古驰手袋。

a Gucci handbag.

是的。

Yeah.

我想不出还有什么比你拥有什么样的手袋更能体现第二宫的含义了。

I I can't think of anything more second house than, you know, what kind of handbag you have.

你知道，如果你有一个古驰手袋，那就是带有地位感的第二宫。

You know, if you have a Gucci, that's like you know, that's a second house with status.

完全正确。

Totally.

很好。

That's good.

好主意。

Good call.

好主意。

Good call.

谢谢。

Thank you.

我衣柜里堆满了这些东西，所以我应该知道。

Got a closet full of the things, so I should know.

你衣柜里堆满了古驰手袋？

You got a closet full of Gucci handbags?

手袋。

Handbags.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

你感觉不出来吗？

Can't you tell?

那个Gucci的人？

The Gucci guy?

是的。

Yeah.

哦，那就是我。

Oh, that's me.

Gucci手袋 guy。

The Gucci handbag guy.

我的意思是，我等着他们推出Gucci星盘呢。

I mean, I'm waiting for them to roll out the Gucci astrolabes.

如果他们真推出那些东西，我绝对支持。

If they roll out some of those, I'll be on board with that.

是的，老兄。

Yeah, man.

有些互动挺有品位的。

Some class interact.

总是能多用一些。

Can always use some more.

占星师，是的。

Astrologers Yeah.

以前有很多饰品，真正的闪亮饰品。

Used to have paraphernalia, actual bling paraphernalia.

我们得回到那些日子。

We got to get back to those days.

我觉得这就是我的想法。

Think that's what I think.

是的。

Yeah.

当你回顾20世纪30年代的占星会议，那时的人都穿着燕尾服、皮草之类的。

When you look at astrology conferences from back in the 30s and they're all in their tuxes and their you know, furs and all that.

那是

It's

确实如此。

That's true.

那是不同的时代。

It was a different time.

是的。

Yeah.

我还在想更早的时候，比如诺stradamus的时代，但是

I was thinking further back like Nostradamus times, but

哦，是的。

Oh, yes.

好的。

Okay.

那也不错。

That that's good as well.

所有

All

对。

right.

也许我们该在《占星播客》上开始穿燕尾服了。

Maybe we should start wearing tuxes on The Astrology Podcast.

这也有道理。

There's an argument for that.

对。

Right.

是的，也许我们可以办一次那样的活动。

Yeah, maybe we can do one of those.

我会考虑一下的。

I'll think about that.

我们来讨论一下这个。

We'll workshop this.

对。

Right.

下一个例子，伊丽莎白二世女王有摩羯座上升，第四宫整体星座由火星守护，而火星位于第二宫的水瓶座，因此她因家族和家族继承而变得极其富有。

Next example, Queen Elizabeth II had Capricorn rising, Aries fourth whole sign house ruled by Mars, which is placed in Aquarius in the second house and obviously obscenely wealthy as a result of the family and as a result of a family inheritance.

或者说，财富与家族血脉紧密相连，因为这是她从父亲和家族祖先那里继承而来的东西。

Or you could say that the wealth and money was tied in with the family lineage since it was something that she inherited from her father and from her family and ancestry and things like that.

是的，完全正确。

Yep, absolutely.

她27岁时加冕为女王，这是一个第四宫圆满之年。

Crowned She queen when she was 27 years old, which is a, you know, a 4th house perfection year.

因此，这种家族血脉以及你从家族中获得的东西，正是在这里体现的。

And so that that again, that that idea of family lineage and and, you know, the things that you you get from your family, are found there.

有一个头衔是授予她的。

There was this title that was bestowed on her.

是的，这很好。

Yeah, that's good.

这很好地反驳了我们之前从第一个例子中提到的27俱乐部案例。

That's a good counter to our previous 27 club examples from one.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

我的意思是，我们在那一集中已经说得非常清楚了。

I mean, we made it quite clear in that episode.

显然，大多数人并不会在27岁时去世。

Obviously, most people do not pass away at the age of 27.

但当有人确实在27岁去世，而你又是一名占星师时，你就会去查看他们的第四宫，因为你明白他们是在那一年的流年运程中去世的。

But when they do pass away at the age of 27 and you're an astrologer, then you do look to their fourth house because you know that they would have passed away during that profection year.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

这一部分的最后一个名人例子。

Last celebrity example in this section.

我之前在第二宫的那期节目中用过这个例子，但我只是想再强调一下，因为我觉得这个命盘解读很有趣，而且能与我们一些听众的投稿相呼应。

I'd already used this in the second house episode, but I just want to reiterate because I thought it was an interesting delineation that'll tie in with some of our listeners submissions.

但我注意到，著名播客主持人乔·罗根的第二宫财帛宫主星位于第四宫家庭与居住环境宫。

But I had noticed that the famous podcaster Joe Rogan has the ruler of the second house of finances in the fourth house of home and living situation.

他通过创办一个最初在家中录制、并邀请嘉宾到家中进行数百期访谈的播客，获得了巨大的财务成功。

And he became wildly successful financially as a result of starting a podcast which was originally hosted in his home and where he would have guests to his home to interview for hundreds of episodes.

所以，基本上就是这样。

So, yeah, that's basically it.

是的，差不多就是这样。

Yeah, yeah, basically.

上一次火星在狮子座逆行是在2009年底，那时他录制了自己节目的第一集，当时那还只是一个直播节目。

And the last time Mars went retrograde in Leo at the end of two thousand and nine was when he recorded the very first episode of his show, what was, you know, at the time a a live stream.

所以你甚至可以从星象运行中看到，这如何触发了第四宫。

So you can even see in the transits the way that's triggered that fourth house.

但确实，你完全能感觉到，他的节目就是围绕着——你知道的——一个男人的私人空间展开的。

But, yeah, you totally think I mean, his show is is set around the the you know, it's supposed to be a man cave.

对吧？

Right?

你知道，节目设定就是乔的专属空间，你去他那里，可以喝一杯，随便聊点什么。

You know, it's supposed to be your Joe's your buddy, and you go to see him in his man cave so you can have a a, you know, a drink and talk about whatever.

这整个节目的氛围就是这样。

That's the whole sort of vibe of the program.

它并不是那种像电视节目那样的媒体演播室，你知道的，像上电视那样。

It's it's it's not meant to be some media studio like like you, you know, get on television.

没错。

That's true.

当然，我们现在又遇到了一次火星逆行，这显然非常重要。

Then of course we have another Mars retrograde happening now and that's obviously very important.

我刚刚看了一段内容，关于刚刚发生的这次选举，我实际上在上一期预测节目中称其为‘播客之战’，因为我注意到两位候选人都频繁出现在各种播客节目中，但显然这并没有成为决定性因素。

I was just watching a thing where this election that just happened became the battle of I was actually calling in the last forecast episode the battle of the podcasts because I could see both candidates were going on all these podcasts, but that really obviously didn't become a decisive factor.

我觉得这非常有趣，我将在下一期预测节目的回顾中专门讨论这一点——今年木星位于双子座，长篇播客节目，以及不同候选人参与这些长篇播客所发挥的作用，确实起到了非常重要的影响。

I thought it was so fascinating and something I'm going to talk about in this next forecast episode when I do a recap, just Jupiter and Gemini this year and the long form podcasts and the battle of the different candidates going on these long podcasts did play a very significant role.

他们在这一领域也有不同的成功与失误。

And there different successes as well as missteps when it came to that area.

但最终，结果还是取决于这位候选人是否参与了播客，或者有没有参加。

But somehow in the end it came down to this guy's podcast especially who went on it or who didn't go on it.

无论如何，那里发生了一些有趣的事情。

And anyway, there's interesting things going on there.

也许我们可以先把这个话题留到将来再讨论。

Maybe we'll save that and talk about that in the future.

但他有一种在家赚钱的天赋，而在我们当代，这种能力以一种非常直接而惊人的形式得到了体现。

But he just has a signature for making money at home and that worked out in a very literal sort of stunning way in our contemporary times.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

而且我说过，上次火星在狮子座逆行时，正是他开始制作自己节目第一集的时候；再往前十五年，则是那档让他在娱乐界崭露头角的广播电视节目首播之时。

And I mean, the last two times Mars has been retrograde in Leo, the like I said, the last time was when he started the the very first episode of the show he has, and then fifteen years before that was the literally the the broadcast episode of news radio, the TV show that put him on the map of entertainment, you know, at least as a first step.

所以对他的影响通常都挺正面的。

So it it tends to be a good transit for him.

这话题我们以后再聊，但总的来说，火星逆行对他的生活而言总是特别重要。

This is a matter for another conversation, but Mars retrograde transits just tend to be really important in his life broadly speaking.

但尤其是狮子座的逆行，最能推动他的人生迈上新的成功台阶。

But certainly, the ones in Leo have been the most important, have been the ones when his life has gone up to some new level of success.

你可以想象，鉴于他最近扮演的角色，即便他已经拥有互联网上最受欢迎的节目，他很可能仍会迈向一个新的高度。

And you can imagine because of the the role that he just played that he's probably headed for some new, you know, some new level despite already having the most popular show on the internet.

是的

Yeah.

是的，我们看看会怎样。

Yeah, we'll see how that goes.

但显然，在选举末尾他支持特朗普时，这一点很重要。

But obviously, yeah, it was important there at the very end of that election when he endorsed Trump.

很多人试图让哈里斯上他的播客，但她最终没有去。

And a lot of people were trying to get Harris to go on his podcast, but she didn't end up doing it.

当时还为此展开了一场争论，讨论这是否是一个失误或其他问题。

And there was a whole debate about that and whether that was a misstep or different things.

总之，我会把这部分留到选举后的分析中。

Anyways, I'll save that for the post election analysis.

我们来聊聊听众的例子和投稿。

Let's move on to listener examples, listener submissions.

有一位听众说，他们的第四宫主宰星落在第二宫。

So one listener said that they have the ruler of the fourth in the second house.

他们说，即使在Zoom出现之前，我就已经多次在家工作了。

And they said, I've worked from home quite a few times in my life even before Zoom.

基本上有很多类似的投稿，这就是为什么我把乔·罗根的例子保留在这里的原因。

There was basically a bunch of submissions like that and that's the reason why I included and kept the Joe Rogan example here.

另一个来自推特的投稿说：我和我的伴侣都有第四宫和第二宫的守护星，我们都在家工作。

Another submission from Twitter said, Both me and my partner have our rulers of the fourth house and our second house and we both work from home.

第三位听众说：第四宫和第二宫的守护星，我这辈子有一半时间都在和我妈妈一起工作。

A third listener said, Ruler of the fourth and the second and I've been working with my mom for half my life.

所以这是另一个第四宫主题的不同变体，即与父母一起赚钱，这与凯莉·詹娜的例子类似。

So there's a different variation of another fourth house topic which is parents and making money with your parents which is similar then to the Kylie Jenner example.

另一位听众说：第四宫的守护星是月亮，位于第二宫。

Another listener says, Ruler of the fourth house is the Moon in the second.

我和我妈妈一起经营一家民宿。

Me and my mom own a bed and breakfast together.

她也曾为政府住房部门工作。

She also worked for government housing.

我有土星在天秤座。

I have Saturn in Libra.

我们共同拥有一家与住房相关的业务。

We co own a business regarding housing together.

我还在25岁那年，也就是我的第二宫流年，买下了自己的房子。

I also bought my home in my second house profection year at the age of 25.

所以我认为那里有很多有趣的内容，比如与母亲合作、经营民宿、从事住房相关业务，这些主题都相互关联。

So I think there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there like working with the mother, owning a bed and breakfast, having a business regarding housing, lots of themes there that are all like constellating.

这或许值得提一下，它并不总是只有一种表现形式。

That's something maybe worth mentioning that it's not always just one thing or one manifestation.

而是随着一个人的人生历程，根据星盘配置的激活方式、所经历的行运以及其他因素，有时可能会出现两种、三种或更多不同的表现形式。

But instead during the course of a person's life sometimes you can get two or three or more different variations of different manifestations depending on how the placements are getting activated, what transits they're receiving, other things like that.

有时它确实是一种单一的表现，但通常这些事情会有多种表现方式，你可能会在一个人生命的不同阶段看到不同的表现形式。

Sometimes it is like a singular thing, but oftentimes there's different ways these things can manifest and you'll see different forms of manifestation at different times in a person's life.

是的。

Yeah.

在进行星盘解读时，最令人望而生畏的事情之一，可能就是你最终会锁定多少种或多少种解释变体，你知道的，读一张星盘的时候。

Possibly one of the most daunting things about doing delineation is how many or how few variants of an interpretation are you gonna land on over the course of it, you know, reading a chart?

因为你确实有时候会不断剥开洋葱的更多层，发现某个特定星盘位置或类似因素显现出来的更多层次。

Because you indeed, sometimes you you just keep pulling more skin off the onion and finding more layers to how, you know, a given placement or or what have you is is manifesting.

或者有时候，它就是那一件明显最重要、核心的事情，而星盘似乎没有其他相关联的含义。

Or sometimes it's just that one thing that's obviously so central and really important, and there doesn't seem to be anything else relative that's signified by the chart.

所以，整个过程中令人望而生畏的部分就在于，要确定究竟有多少或多少种可能性。

So, it's a daunting part of the whole thing is determining how much or how little

你之所以这么做，正是因为这一点至关重要，它能让人们广泛了解各种可能的显现方式，从而让你更好地理解它如何以不同形式显现，进而观察它在你或他人生活中实际呈现的方式。

you're going Well, that's why what we're doing here is so important just so people have a broad range of understanding of the different possible manifestations that sets you up in a much better position to understand how it can manifest in different ways and then to see the ways that it actually does in your life or in the life of others.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

这是下一个例子。

So here's the next example.

这位听众说：我第四宫的守护星是木星，位于摩羯座，落入第二宫。

This listener said, The ruler of my fourth house is Jupiter in Capricorn in the second house.

他们说，我曾经三次无家可归，后来在我第一次土星回归后，我父亲给我买了一套房。

And they said, I was homeless three separate times and then my father bought me a house after my first Saturn return.

这在父亲帮助这个人获得居住环境方面非常引人注目，尤其是在土星回归期间或刚过之后，因为土星本身正被激活，且与整个事情密切相关。

So that's pretty striking in terms of the father helping to get the person into a living situation, especially at the Saturn return or just after it when Saturn's being activated itself since it's actually connected with that whole thing.

是的。

Yeah.

我收到的最后一个例子是一位听众说，第四宫是摩羯座，土星位于第二宫的天蝎座，并与南交点合相。

And then the last example I got was a listener who said, fourth house Capricorn with Saturn in the second house in Scorpio conjunct the south node.

我还有摩羯座的多重行星聚集，以及天蝎座的冥王星，所以是一些具有挑战性的配置。

I also have a Capricorn stellium and Pluto in Scorpio, so somewhat challenging placements.

他们说，我出生在贫困之中。

They said, I was born into poverty.

我五岁时母亲去世，父亲是个酗酒者，很少在家。

My mother died when I was five and my father was an alcoholic that wasn't around much.

我从小就意识到我不想一直贫穷，因此我非常努力地工作，想摆脱那种生活。

I knew from a young age that I didn't want to end up poor so I worked very hard to get myself out of that life.

现在快40岁了，我一直在努力疗愈自己，重新与情感自我建立联系。

Now at almost 40 I've been working on healing and getting back in touch with my emotional self.

我发现异教和萨满教，与灵性世界及祖先建立连接，这让我重新建立了自尊、自爱和脆弱的能力。

My discovery of paganism and shamanism and connecting to the spiritual world and ancestors has allowed me to rebuild my self worth, self love and vulnerability.

提升我的自尊也改善了我所能获得的资源。

Improving my self worth has also improved the resources that I have available to me.

所以我觉得这一点非常有趣，尤其是在这些宫位更深层的心理或其他含义方面，以及它们有时如何发挥作用，特别是当你生命早期就面临极具挑战性的星盘配置时。

So I thought that was really interesting one, especially in terms some of the deeper sort of psychological or other meanings of some of these houses and the ways in which that can sometimes work out sometimes and especially what happens sometimes when it's challenging placements and you have really difficult things especially at the starting point earlier in your life in terms of this.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, absolutely.

这是一个非常好的例子。

That's a really good one.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

All right.

那么我们继续看第三宫和第四宫守护星落在第三宫的情况。

So let's move on to the third house and the ruler of the fourth in the third.

这个例子比较难找，但我还是找到一些不错的案例。

This one was a little trickier to find examples for, but I found some decent ones.

而且我们收到了很多优质的投稿，实际上帮助我们更好地明确了这些观点。

And then we had a lot of good submissions that actually helped to solidify things.

我原本不想深入讨论这个，因为之前我和丽莎做第三宫的节目时已经讲了很多，但这里快速提几个。

I wasn't going to dwell on this because we already did a lot in the third house episode that I did with Lisa previously, but here's a few really quickly.

我首先想分享的一个例子是位于丹佛本地的‘水星咖啡馆’的出生星盘。

One of them that I want to share first was the birth chart of the Mercury Cafe which is like a local business here in Denver.

在水星咖啡馆的星盘中，第四宫的守护星落在了第三宫。

And in the chart of the Mercury Cafe, has the ruler of the fourth house in the third house.

值得注意的是，这是一家非常重要的企业，具有强烈的社区参与属性，为许多团体提供了举办活动的空间。

And what's notable about that is it was a really important business that had very big community involvement element where it gave space for many groups to host events.

所以它

So it

那是一个为各种团体和其他想要在那里组织活动的群体提供场地的场所，因此形成了这种社区性的第三宫参与。

was like a building that was giving building space especially for groups and other things that wanted to organize there so that there was this neighborhood third house involvement.

比如，我们在2008年或2009年左右在那里成立了丹佛占星小组，至今仍在每月定期举办活动，占星师们可以聚在一起，拥有一个实体空间交流、举办讲座、社交并结交朋友，这正是第三宫沟通的体现。

And for example, we started the Denver Astrology Group there in 2008 or 2009, I think, and it's still running to this day, meeting there once a month where astrologers can go and have a physical space to talk with each other which is like third house communications to present lectures and to also socialize and make friends.

这只是多年来在该场所举办过的众多团体之一，体现了重要的社区参与，而这非常关键，因为最初的店主玛丽莲本人也是一名占星师，同时积极参与社会活动和社区工作。

And that's just one of the groups that was hosted there over the years in terms of community involvement, which is really important because the owner Marilyn is an astrologer as well as well as somebody that's very involved in activism and community work and other things like that, the original owner.

我觉得这正是这一配置非常有趣的体现。

And I thought that was just such an interesting manifestation of that.

是的，那真是个绝佳的地方。

Yeah, that was a fantastic place.

我第一次去那里吃饭是在2008年，当时我们在那里举办了会议。

First time I ate there of course was in 2008 when we had the conference there.

后来，当然了，2013年我巡回演讲时也在那里做过讲座，那时你接待了我。

And then, of course, I did give a talk there in 2013 when I was on my speaking tour and you hosted me.

那时我睡在紧邻这栋楼的地下室公寓里，就是你现在住的那个地方。

That same time, I slept in that basement apartment adjacent to the building you now live in.

所以，是的，回想起一些往事，有很多美好的回忆。

So yeah, a lot of fond memories going back to a few instances.

对。

Yeah.

你知道你当时做的演讲是关于美国天王星回归的吗？

And you know what that talk was that you gave a talk on was on the Uranus return of The United States.

没错。

Right.

这在某种程度上与最近的事件有关，我想。

It was somewhat relevant to recent events, I suppose.

是的。

Yeah.

明年将有一些事件发生。

Events coming up next year.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧，我们继续。

All right, let's move on.

下一个例子是最近又登上新闻的一个。

Next example is one that was recently in the news again.

但这是埃里克·门德兹的出生图，他因是著名的门德兹兄弟之一而闻名，曾残忍杀害了自己的双亲，并在过去二三十年的大部分时间里因此入狱。

But this is the birth chart of Eric Menendez who was famously one of the Menendez brothers who famously murdered both of their parents and then was sent to jail for that for much of the past two or three decades.

在他的星盘中，你可以看到第四宫（家庭与父母）的守护星木星位于第三宫（兄弟姐妹）。

And in his chart you can see a connection between those houses where the ruler of the fourth house of home and parents is Jupiter which is placed in the third house of siblings.

因此，兄弟姐妹与父母这两个主题之间显然存在强烈的关联。

So there's obviously a strong connection here between the topic of siblings and parents.

而在这个案例中，这种关联以非常直接且极端的负面方式显现出来。

And in this instance it worked out in that very literal and extreme way in a negative way.

但这也说明了这两个主题是相互关联的，因为有些宫位守护星的组合，你从象征意义上来看时，可能会想：‘这怎么可能有关联呢？’

But also just that's an example of those two topics being interconnected because there's certain house rulers where sometimes you look at it symbolically and you're like, Well, how can that house be connected?

有时候，我觉得某些组合的含义确实更难理解，直到你看到类似这样的例子，才会意识到：哦，原来这两个主题在人们的生活中确实可以以如此具体的方式紧密交织在一起。

Or sometimes it's harder to generate meanings I feel like for some combinations than others until you see an example like that and you realize, Okay, that's actually a very specific way that those two topics could become much more intertwined in people's lives.

是的。

Yeah.

而且，当然，他和他哥哥一起犯下了罪行。

And yeah, I mean, of course it was a crime he committed with his brother.

我的意思是，一上来你就不会把埃里克·门德兹和他的哥哥分开看待。

I mean, right off the bat, you don't think of Eric Menendez as separate from his brother.

你知道，他们作为一对组合而出名，这一点也很重要。

You know, They became famous as a team, there's that element to it as well.

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

然后，据称加州的地区检察官或其他官员最近因为出现了关于兄弟俩或其中一人可能遭受父母虐待的新信息，而建议释放他们，这些信息可能为谋杀案提供了一些背景，因此加州政府或检察官最近出人意料地呼吁释放他们。

And then apparently the district attorney or something was recommending their release recently because of new information that was coming out about possible abuse or other things suffered by the brothers or one of the brothers from the parents that may have given a context for the murders or something like that so that there was this surprise of the government or the prosecutors in California recently calling for the release.

所以我没有密切关注这件事，不清楚所有细节。

So I'm not following that super closely so I don't know all the details.

我肯定有其他人更熟悉这个案件，但很有趣的是，接下来会发生什么，事情会如何发展。

I'm sure other people might who are more familiar with the case, but it'll be interesting to see that develop and just what happens there.

但无论最近有什么新进展，这件事在人生中如此突出，显然表明了第三宫与第四宫之间的联系。

But even whatever the recent developments are, the fact that that's been such a prominent thing in the life I think clearly shows that connection between the third and the fourth.

是的，绝对如此。

Yeah, absolutely.

好的。

All right.

另一个我很好奇的话题是旅行和移动。

Another another one that I was curious about is I was curious about travel and movement.

我找到一张关于这个主题的图表，非常有趣，讲的是理查德·布兰森，他的上升星座是狮子座，第四宫整体星座是天蝎座。

One of the charts that I found that was really cool in terms of that is Richard Branson who has Leo rising and Scorpio on the fourth whole sign house.

它的主宰星是火星，位于天秤座的第三宫整体星座，而海王星则位于天底度数。

And the ruler is Mars which is located in Libra in the third whole sign house with Neptune in the degree of the IC.

在他的生活中，家庭与旅行紧密交织，同时也与他的商业事业息息相关。

Home and travel are deeply intertwined in his life as well as his business ventures.

他在多个地方拥有房产，并且不断旅行。

And he has homes in various locations and he travels constantly.

我注意到他早期传记中一件有趣的事是，他在年轻时，刚开始创办维珍唱片公司时，曾住在伦敦的一艘船上。

So one of the interesting things in terms of his early biography that I found is that at one point he lived on a houseboat in London during his younger years when he was first starting one of his first companies Virgin Records.

这更多是出于经济压力而非生活方式的选择，因为当时在伦敦，这是个负担得起的选项。

And this was more out of necessity than a lifestyle choice because it was an affordable option in London at the time.

但即便如此，我觉得这非常有趣。

But nonetheless, I thought it was really fascinating.

住在船上，这本身就是一种交通工具，而第三宫恰恰是与旅行、移动事物和流动性相关的宫位，你的家 literally 就在一个会移动的东西里。

Living on a boat, which is like a form of transportation and the third house being one of the houses of travel especially and of different things that move and of movement and having your home literally being in something that moves.

是的。

Yep.

他拥有那么多房产，事实上，如果我从我家右边的门望出去，抬头看紧邻我们房子的那座山，就能看到他拥有的其中一栋房子。

He's got so many homes that in fact, the true story, if I look out my right out the door to my right and look up the mountain adjacent to our house, I can see one of the homes he owns.

我可以告诉你，那里有一个我这辈子见过最大的游泳池。

And I can tell you, he's got one of the largest swimming pools there I've ever seen in my life.

但我从未在那里见过他。

I've never seen him there.

据我所知，应该是他妹夫或者有人负责照看那处房产。

Apparently, I think it's a brother-in-law or someone who looks after the place.

不过没错，他 apparently 拥有很多这样的房产。

But yep, he's got a lot of them apparently.

是的。

Yeah.

他的主要住所位于一座岛上，他在英属维尔京群岛拥有一座私人岛屿。

Well, his main residence is on an island where he has a private island in the British Virgin Islands.

另外，他曾经拥有一艘豪华游艇，经常用它来巡航和探索加勒比海。

Other notes, he previously owned a luxury boat which he often used for cruising and exploring The Caribbean.

他创办了维珍游轮公司，经常乘坐他们的船只参加宣传活动并体验航行。

Virgin Voyages, he launched his own cruise line called Virgin Voyages and often travels on their ships for promotional events and to enjoy the experience.

所以，再次强调，住在船上，边睡边旅行，比如。

So again, living on a boat and traveling around while you're sleeping, for example.

最后，他还创立了维珍银河公司，开始专注于太空旅游，未来某天将让人们在飞船上短暂停留，以实现太空旅游的目的。

And then finally, he also started Virgin Galactic where he's starting to focus on space tourism which is going to involve essentially at some point living on spaceships for short periods of time for the purpose of tourism.

所以再说一遍，我觉得这非常有趣，因为这一半内容最广义的含义就是：如果你的家和生活方式与旅行紧密相连，比如第四宫落在第三宫，这里就是一个具体的体现方式？

So again, I thought that was so interesting because the broadest meaning of that half of this is just like what if your home and living situation is tied in with travel by having the ruler of the fourth in the third and here's like a manifestation of how that can work out?

是的，但你刚才其实忽略了重点。

Yeah, and you've kind of buried the lead.

你知道，在他创立维珍唱片公司之前，他的一大壮举就是使用热气球。

You know, one of before a lot of his big enterprises apart from Virgin Records is the fact that he used a hot air balloon.

我确信他现在可能还在用，但我认为他曾经挑战并可能打破了热气球飞行的时长或距离纪录，所以这也是他生活的一部分。

I'm sure he probably still does, but I think he's he's gone after and maybe even achieved certain records for duration or distance or what have you with with hot air balloon travel, so there's that component to it as well.

而且，没错，这种生活方式确实很像到处跳跃——把整个地球当作自己的社区，从一个地方跳到另一个地方，就像从一家酒吧跳到另一家，从这家超市跳到那家鱼贩子那里。

And, yeah, it it is sort of, you know, very the the the idea of of travel being sort of like hopping around, like treating treating the entire planet like it's, you know, your local neighborhood and you're just hopping from, you know, you're like hopping from bar to bar, you're going from this supermarket to that, you know, fishmonger or what have you.

他就是这样四处奔波，这并不是第九宫那种带有深刻目的的旅行，而是一种随性的生活方式，旅行本身就是生活的一部分。

He's bouncing around in that kind of way, you know, it's not ninth house travel where you're there's some deep purpose to what you're seeking, it's just kind of moving around as a part of life, as a way of life.

对。

Right.

是的，这说得通。

Yeah, that makes sense.

好吧。

All right.

所以，我之前在这一部分找好的星盘例子时遇到困难，我聊过的一位人士是我们朋友帕特里克·沃森。

So another person I talked to where I was struggling to get good chart examples in this section at first, and one of the people I talked to is our friend Patrick Watson.

我从来没听说过他。

And I've never heard of him.

我也没听说过他。

I've never heard of him.

他听说了可能会很难过。

He's going to be sad to hear that.

但帕特里克·沃森，我们那位和你一起做直播的好朋友，是狮子座上升，天蝎座第四宫，由火星守护，而火星落在天秤座的第三宫，第三宫的守护星金星则位于天蝎座的第四宫。

But Patrick Watson, our good friend who you host a livestream with has Leo rising, Scorpio, fourth house ruled by Mars where Mars is placed in Libra in the third house, and then the ruler of the third house is Venus where Venus is placed in Scorpio in the fourth house.

所以第四宫和第三宫之间形成了互容关系。

So there's a mutual reception between the fourth and the third.

他给我写了很多内容，因为我问他对此有什么感悟。

And what he wrote me, he wrote me a bunch of stuff because I asked him what his reflections were on that.

他说了几个不同的事情。

He said several different things.

其中一个我觉得很有趣的是，我和父母关系不错，但和兄弟们关系不好，或者和兄弟们的父母关系不错，但从来不会同时两者都好。

One of them that I thought was interesting, I'm either on good terms with my parents but not my brothers or on good terms with my brothers parents but never at the same time.

我觉得这很有趣，因为这是一种微妙的观察，只有占星师或亲身经历的人才能察觉到，而外人很难通过名人星盘看出这一点。

And I thought this was interesting because it's kind of a subtle observation that only astrologers or people living their lives can make and that it's hard to make from the outside with like celebrity charts.

但类似这样的家庭动态还有很多，我相信不同人的生活中都存在，取决于我们即将看到的各行星的状况，尤其是在听众的例子中会更明显。

But there's all sorts of like family dynamic stuff like that that I'm sure is present in different people's lives based on the condition of the rulers that we'll just see glimpses of during the course of this, but especially in the listener examples.

更具体地说，他说我母亲是一名芭蕾舞者，我觉得这很有趣，因为这引入了第三宫的运动元素。

More concretely he said, My mother was a ballet dancer, which I thought was fascinating because that brings in the movement element of the third house.

然后他说，我父亲是一名音乐家，这也非常有趣，因为这同样体现了第三宫的沟通特质。

And then he says, My father is a musician, which is also fascinating because that brings in the communication portion of the third house as well.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

他说，童年时，我母亲经常外出经营当地的芭蕾舞学校，这很有趣，因为这既是第三宫的教育层面，也是运动层面的体现。

He says, In childhood, my mother was often away running her local ballet school, which is fascinating because that's like an education version of the third house as well as movement.

然后他说，我父亲经常外出巡演。

And then he says, And my father was often away traveling on tour.

所以第四宫和第三宫的守护星，还有父亲，经常外出旅行。

So ruler of the fourth and the third and the father was often away traveling.

他还说，我和兄弟们是由一群芭蕾舞学生部分带大的，这是一种有趣的额外表现。

He also says, My brothers and I were partially raised by all para students, which is an interesting additional manifestation.

他说，在童年时期，我是最受宠的儿子，这引起了我和兄弟们之间的怨恨和竞争。

He says, In childhood I was the favorite son which caused resentment and competitiveness with my brothers.

然后他说，我和哥哥从始至终直到上大学都共用一个卧室，那简直是一片持续的战场。

And then he says, I shared a bedroom with my older brother all the way through until college, which was a constant battlefield.

我觉得这真是第四宫和第三宫守护星的绝佳体现——和兄弟同住一个空间，但火星带来的却是紧张、竞争或冲突。

And I thought it was an amazing manifestation of ruler fourth and third sharing a living space with your brother, but having it be Mars and there'd be some tension or some competition or conflict.

他说，我从最受宠的儿子变成了不受欢迎的人，因为父母离婚的种种情况而与父亲疏远，但我的兄弟们现在与父母的关系都好多了。

He said, I went from favorite son to persona non grata, estranged from father due to circumstances surrounding parents' divorce, but my brothers are now on much better terms with both parents.

然后他说，在父母离婚期间，我和兄弟们的关系变得更亲密，我们暂时放下了武器。

Then he says during the divorce between parents, I became closer with my brothers and we put down our swords for a bit.

最后，我母亲搬成了邻居。

And then finally, my mother becomes a neighbor.

我对母亲的忠诚让我帮助她买了一栋附近的房子，以便她能退休。

My loyalty to my mother led me to help her purchase a house nearby so that she could retire.

随后她不得不横跨全国搬过去，这在家中引发了紧张，一些亲戚觉得他某种程度上把母亲‘偷走’了。

And then she had to move across the country for this causing tensions in his family where some relatives feel like he's stolen the mother away in some ways.

但无论如何，现在他的母亲就住在附近，几乎就在他家隔壁，他们经常互相拜访。

But nonetheless, now his mother lives close by him basically in his neighborhood and they visit frequently.

所以我觉得这很有趣，看到了这些不同方面在生活中的多重体现。

So I thought that was a fascinating seeing multiple different aspects of that that manifest in the life.

确实如此。

Absolutely.

我从一开始就觉得这 guy 是个‘抢妈妈的人’。

And I'll tell you from day one, always had the guy pegged as a mom thief.

就是这样了。

So there you go.

这就是命运在现实中显现。

That's destiny coming alive.

但确实如此。

But yeah.

而且，还有这一点。

And also, there's this.

是的。

Yeah.

显然，我认识他很久了，你知道，大部分这些细节我都知道。

Obviously, I've known him a long time and you know most of those details were privy to me.

是的，说到兄弟姐妹，你完全正确。

Yeah, on the point of siblings, you're absolutely correct.

当你看某些名人时，有时他们背后真的有一个完整的家庭。

When you look at certain celebrities, sometimes there really is a whole family behind them.

像拿破仑这样的人，或者不久前我们刚谈到的艾瑞莎·弗兰克林，那些拥有巨大声望的人，当你深入他们的生平故事时，你会发现这其实是一个家族的故事。

People like Napoleon or, you know, not long ago, we were talking about Aretha Franklin who, you know, individuals who have just like this enormous stature, but when you really look into their life story, it really is a family story.

他们确实很重要，即使这些兄弟姐妹没有像本人那样广为人知。

They really are the the siblings involved in the story are very important even if they're not as celebrated as as the individual.

是的。

Yeah.

拿破仑和艾瑞莎·弗兰克林只是两个立刻想到的例子，但当我仔细想想，其实还有很多类似的故事。

The Napoleon and Aretha Franklin are just two names that come to mind, but I can actually when I think about it, it's quite a few stories like that.

所以，这是非常重要的一部分——当你从听众和观众那里听到这些更私密的故事时，你就能窥见幕后的真实细节，尤其是当我们讲述这些第三宫、第四宫的故事时，它们并不总是与让人成名的事物直接相关，而是更多地涉及幕后的种种细节。

So, it is an important component that is what you do get from these more sort of intimate stories you get from your listeners and viewers because that's more of a peek behind the curtain, especially when we're doing these particular houses, these third houses, fourth house stories, which won't always have to do with whatever it is that has made a person famous, but a lot of the sort of behind the scenes details.

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

这就是为什么我也做现场访谈，采访一些顾客，聊聊他们的星盘宫位。

And that's why I also do the live ones where I interview some patrons and talk about their placements.

我已经录好了那一集，会在这一集之后发布，能让你更深入了解当你直接与普通非名人交谈时的情形，但这也是另一个很好的元素。

I already recorded that episode which I'll release after this one, gives you a little bit more insight into that when you're talking directly to normal non celebrity people, but this is another good element.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

All right.

那么继续，另一个例子是，当代表家庭与根源的第四宫主星位于沟通的第三宫时，凯德·拉马尔就是一个典型人物。他是当今最著名的说唱歌手之一，也是过去十年中最杰出的音乐人之一，拥有天秤座上升、摩羯座第四宫，其主星土星位于射手座的第三宫。

So moving on, another one that I was looking at for this when the ruler of the fourth house of home and origins is in the third house of communication is Kendrick Lamar who's one of the most prominent rappers at this point in time and musicians in the past decade has Libra rising, Capricorn fourth house ruled by Saturn which is in Sagittarius in the third.

最近，一位名叫安吉拉·卡瓦略的听众帮助我思考了这一点，因为我觉得这个例子很好，我之前在关于德雷克的第三宫那一集中已经提到过类似的情况。

And this one was a listener named Angela Carvalho helped me to think about this one recently because I thought it was good because I had already kind of talked about this in the context of Drake who has something similar in the last in the third house episode.

我想我用过这个例子。

Think I used that example.

但对于凯德来说，有一件事是……

But one of the things for Kendrick

哇哦。

is wow.

他们应该成为朋友。

They should be friends.

是的，我们拭目以待。

Yeah, we'll see.

你介绍一下他们，然后告诉我进展如何。

You introduce them and let me know how that goes.

哦，我肯定他们会合得来。

Oh, I'm sure they'd get along.

对。

Right.

这个例子的关键在于，肯德里克经常谈论他的街区和他的出身，以及他的音乐和加利福尼亚康普顿的社区。

So the thing about this example is that Kendrick talks a lot about his neighborhood and where he came from and his music and his neighborhood of Compton, California.

讽刺的是，这实际上和德雷克非常相似，德雷克的第三宫和第四宫的主宰星也相同，他经常谈论多伦多的街区。

Ironically, it's actually very similar to Drake who has the ruler of the third and the fourth and talks a lot about his neighborhoods in Toronto.

我觉得这在他们两人身上都特别有趣。

And I think that's fascinating in terms of both of them.

这是肯德里克的星盘，这是德雷克的星盘，他有狮子座上升，天秤座落在第三宫整体宫位，由金星主宰，而金星位于第四宫。

So there's Kendrick's chart, here's Drake's chart, have Leo rising, Libra is on the third whole sign house and it's ruled by Venus which is in the fourth.

但有时候，那些频繁谈论自己出身地、并将此视为人生重要部分的人，其方式各不相同。

But just sometimes people who communicate about where they're from a lot and where that's a major thing for them in different ways.

是的

Yeah.

尤其是当涉及到街区时，你知道，这非常符合第三宫的特质。

And especially when it comes down to neighborhoods, you know, that's very sort of third house specific.

城市内的街区是不同的，比如康普顿，而不是洛杉矶，你知道的。

Neighborhood distinct within a city, Compton, not Los Angeles, you know.

那种事情真的、真的变得非常重要。

That that that's where, you know, that kind of thing becomes really, really important.

第三宫的人绝对是那些几十年如一日去街角同一间理发店的人，或者他们完全忠于某一家超市，你知道，就是这种类型的人。

3rd house people are absolutely the the people who, you know, have been going to the same hairdresser for thirty years around the corner or or like they just there's a supermarket they're completely devoted to, you know, that kind of thing.

当然。

For sure.

好的。

All right.

下一个例子是由卡米尔·米歇尔·格雷发现的。

So the next example, this is one that Camille Michel Gray found.

这是著名建筑师安东尼·戈蒂的星盘。

And this is the birth chart of Antoni Gotti who was a famous architect.

对于听音频的听众来说，他上升星座是处女座，或者曾经是处女座。

So for the audio listeners, he has Virgo rising or had Virgo rising.

第四宫是射手座，由木星守护，而木星位于天蝎座的第三宫，与天底同星座，尽管在日间星盘中位置更靠后。

The fourth house is Sagittarius and it's ruled by Jupiter which is placed in Scorpio in the third house with the IC and the same sign although much later in a day chart.

他是一位著名建筑师，但卡米尔指出，他的所有项目都位于西班牙巴塞罗那，那正是他出生地附近。

And he was a famous architect, but one of the things Camille pointed out is that his projects are all in Barcelona, Spain which is around the vicinity essentially of where he was born.

因此，这种解读可以理解为：第四宫和第三宫的守护星象征着在本地或社区内建造建筑。

So the delineation is something like ruler of the fourth and the third is the building of structures in the local area or in your neighborhood.

他出生于西班牙加泰罗尼亚的鲁斯，而他的所有作品都集中在巴塞罗那，距离他出生地约62英里西南方向。

He was born in Rus' Catalonia, Spain and all of his works are around Barcelona which is about 62 miles southwest of Barcelona.

我觉得这很有趣，因为虽然不是在他出生的家乡，但基本上属于邻近城市。

So I think it's fascinating because it's not exactly in the hometown, but it's like a neighboring city basically.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

这是我记下的要点。

So notes of what I wrote down.

他的建筑杰作已成为这座城市的标志性象征，持续吸引着来自世界各地的游客惊叹与敬畏。

His architectural masterpieces have become iconic symbols of the city and continue to inspire awe and wonder in visitors from around the world.

卡米尔指出，这个例子中他的作品受到了他生活中热情的影响，即建筑、自然和宗教，这引入了第三和第四宫的一些元素，因为他显然广泛学习了各种学科，如经济学、历史、不同的东方艺术、哲学、几何学，这些都对他的作品产生了深远影响，并被他融入了建筑中。

And what Camille pointed out about this example is that his works were influenced by his passions in life which were architecture, nature and religion, which is bringing in some of those third and fourth house components where he apparently studied a wide array of subjects, economics, history, different oriental arts, philosophy, geometry, all of which had a profound impact on his work and that he integrated into his architecture.

他还从多种跨文化、多元的来源中汲取灵感，我找到一句引述说：‘作为学生，戈蒂曾研究过建筑学院收藏的埃及、印度、波斯、玛雅、中国和日本艺术照片。’

He also took inspiration from a variety of different cross cultural and diverse sources where I found one quote that said, As a student Gotti studied a collection of photographs of Egyptian, Indian, Persian, Mayan, Chinese and Japanese art owned by the School of Architecture.

该收藏还包括西班牙的摩尔式建筑，这些启发了他早期的许多作品。

The collection also included Moorish monuments in Spain which inspired many of his early works.

实际上，我觉得卡米尔可能是找到这句话的人。

And actually I think Camille may have found that quote.

所以卡米尔说，深入的学习从根本上塑造了他的许多作品。

So being deep in study essentially informed a lot of his work is what Camille said.

他对自然的欣赏也常常体现在他的作品中。

He also has an appreciation of nature that often shows up in his work.

自然是我们在上一集中讨论第四宫时提到的一个核心要素。

Nature was a major component that we talked about in terms of the fourth house in the last episode.

而卡米尔注意到的最后一件事颇具讽刺意味：高迪在日常散步时被火车撞倒，最终不治身亡。

And then the last thing that Camille noted was that ironically he died after being hit by a train on his daily walk.

所以第四宫有时会关联到生命的终点、死亡这类议题，而第三宫对应出行，尤其是短途出行，还能延伸到一切会移动的事物。

So fourth house being like end of life sometimes and death and third house being travel, short distance travel, but also things that travel.

我刚还想提这件事来着，心里还犯嘀咕：哦糟了，他该不会生气吧。

I was about to bring that one up and I was like, Oh, no, he's going to be mad.

再说说另一个和第四宫有关的离世案例吧。

Bring up another death with the fourth house.

不过对，这从宇宙层面来说确实挺有意思的。

But yeah, that is kind of cosmically funny.

我说的“宇宙层面的有意思”，当然是指那种只有宇宙才会安排的捉弄。

When I say cosmically funny, mean of course, the kind of pranks only the cosmos can pull.

对，确实是这样，他被火车撞死，而第四宫的宫主星落在第三宫，这情况简直不言自明。

Yeah, indeed, dying because he got hit by a train and the ruler of the fourth is in the third, it kind of speaks for itself.

是的，正如我们现在所了解到的，宇宙有时确实有着一种奇特的幽默感。

Yeah, sometimes literally the cosmos has a weird sense of humor as we're learning right now.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

接下来我们来看听众的投稿。

Let's go to listener submissions next.

因为我觉得这些内容真的帮助我们完善了这一部分。

Because I think these really helped to round out this section.

我很高兴我们收到了一堆关于第三宫的投稿。

I was glad that we got a bunch of these for the third house.

实际上我们还收到了更多关于第三宫的投稿。

Got a bunch more actually for the third house.

最近有一个例子，是在最近的一期节目中有一位赞助者。

One of them recently, there was a patron in a recent episode.

我想应该是我做现场访谈的那期，其中一位听众很好地说明了这一点，他的第三宫和第四宫之间有很强的联系。

I think it was the one where I did the live interviews that had a great version of this where he had strong connection between his third and his fourth.

他成年后一直和兄弟姐妹住在一起，不同阶段和不同的兄弟姐妹同住，直到今天仍然是这样。

And he lived with his siblings as an adult and lived with different siblings at different points off and on and still did to this day.

所以这发生在最近一次关于第二和第三宫的现场星盘解读中。

So that was in the last, the live chart readings of the second and third house.

因此，我想再次强调并提一下，和兄弟姐妹同住是一种可能的解释。

So I wanted to reiterate and mention that here is a possible delineation living with siblings.

另一位听众说，他们是第四宫的守护星，同时也是第三宫的守护星。

Another listener said they're the ruler of the fourth and the third.

他们说，当我有室友或友善的邻居，经常有访客来访时，我过得最开心。

And they said, I've been happiest in my living situation when I have roommates or friendly neighbors who bring over frequent visitors.

另一个人说，我的第四宫守护星是第三宫的天王星金星，而我的第三宫守护星则位于第四宫。

Another person said, My fourth house ruler is my third house Virgo Venus and my third house ruler is in my fourth.

这非常直接地实现了，与家人的沟通一直是推动我生活中好事与坏事的持续催化剂，同时也让我结识了众多新朋友。

It worked out very literally and that communication with family has been a constant catalyst for events good and bad in my life along with it being how I've connected with so many new friends.

与家人的沟通是此人生活中重大事件的催化剂。

Communication with family is a catalyst for major events in the person's life.

另一个人说，我的第四宫是处女座，其守护星水星位于我的第三宫。

Another person says, My fourth house is Virgo and the ruler Mercury is in my third house.

我搬过很多次家。

I've moved around so much.

感叹号。

Exclamation mark.

感叹号。

Exclamation mark.

我30岁了，但已经住过17个不同的房子或公寓，听起来确实很多。

I'm 30 years old and have lived in 17 different houses or apartments, which does sound like a lot.

实际上有好几个人说了非常类似的话。

There was actually several people that said something very similar.

另一个人说，天秤座落在我的第四宫，水星在第三宫，冥王星在第四宫。

Another person said, Virgo is on my fourth house with Mercury in the third, Pluto is in the fourth.

我们小时候搬了很多次家。

We moved a lot growing up.

到17岁的时候，我已经住过68个房子，通常只是在邻近的城镇之间搬动。

I lived in 68 houses by the time I was 17, often just a nearby town away.

所以都只是短距离的搬迁。

So it was just short distance moves.

我父亲特别喜欢搬家。

My father loved to move.

我觉得这太完美了。

I think so perfect.

这确实是我在研究第三宫过程中逐渐意识到的核心词之一——我最终发现，第三宫的核心就是移动。

That was literally one of the the core words that I came up with that I eventually realized by the end of researching the third house is I realized that the core thing about the third house was movement.

这种移动有时不仅限于我们通常认为的车辆之类的东西，甚至包括身体的移动，因为第三宫本质上就是关于移动的；第四宫是脚下的大地，而第三宫则是第一个远离大地的宫位。

And sometimes that extended to not just vehicles and stuff, which we commonly think for the third house, but sometimes even moving your body and stuff that the third house is really just about movement because the fourth house is the earth that's beneath your feet, but the third house is the first house that's moving away from that.

它正在远离你脚下大地的固定性。

It's declining away from the fixity of the ground that's under your feet.

所以有时它仅仅关乎移动。

So sometimes it's literally just about movement.

在这种情况下，我们谈论的是与家庭和居住状况相关的移动，尤其是父亲，他热爱搬迁。

And in this case, we're talking about movement when it comes to one's home and living situation and especially the father in that instance being the one who loved to move.

是的。

Yeah.

在此基础上，我有时会认为第三宫和第九宫的轴线是空间的轴线，而第六宫和第十二宫的轴线则是时间的轴线。

Building on that, I mean, I sometimes think of it being the third ninth house axis being an axis of space as opposed to the sixth and twelfth house axis being an axis of time.

因此，第三宫和第九宫涉及你周围的环境，以及你在特定空间内能够或不能够进行的移动。

So, the third and ninth have to do with the sort of the space around you and I suppose the movement that you can or cannot execute within a given space.

对。

Right.

好的。

All right.

下一个例子是巨蟹座第四宫和双子座月亮在第三宫。

So the next example says Cancer fourth house and Gemini Moon in the third house.

他们说，我在第三宫流年时搬到了日本，并在那里住了十一年。

They said, I moved to Japan on my third house profection year and stayed there for eleven years.

我现在在美国。

I'm in The US now.

我12岁时我们搬回来了。

We moved back when I was 12.

我母亲在军队服役，所以我搬过很多次家。

My mother is in the military, so I've moved around a whole bunch.

我觉得这很有趣，因为上一个例子讲的是父亲。

So I thought that was funny because the previous one was the father.

这个例子则是月亮主星，母亲在军队，导致他们作为军旅家庭的孩子频繁搬家，而且在第三宫流年激活时搬到了外国。

This one is like the Moon ruling and the mother being in the military and being the result of them moving around a lot as a result of being a military kid and also moving to a foreign country at that time when that was activated in the third house profection year.

尽管我们有时倾向于把第三宫理解为短途旅行，但有时也会与第九宫有所重叠，比如去不同国家，尽管它通常更多指的是短途旅行。

Even though sometimes we like to think about the third house as short distance travel, sometimes you can get some overlap with the ninth house in different countries as well, even though it is typically more short distance travel.

是的

Yeah.

我的意思是，这种短途和长途旅行的划分，只是看待这一轴线的一种方式。

I mean, that whole short and long distance travel thing I think is just one way of looking at that axis.

我更倾向于把旅行看作是背后的动力，这和实际旅行的距离一样重要，甚至更重要。

I tend to look at the the travel as being more the motivation behind the travel, as much if not equal to, or more so than the actual distance you have to travel.

我认为第三宫旅行的目的更偏向实际用途。

I think like the purpose behind third house travel is more pragmatic.

它更多是关于，比如你去购物，去探望你的母亲。

It's more about, you know, you're going to do shopping, you're going to visit your mother.

你的母亲可能住在地球的另一端，但你只是在处理事务。

Your mother might live on the other end of the planet, but you're sort of taking care of business.

第九宫的旅行则是，比如你去咨询神谕，去寻求答案，你可能会去开罗看金字塔，去巴黎看埃菲尔铁塔，或者去拉斯维加斯看金字塔和埃菲尔铁塔的复制品，但你去的目的是为了体验某种自然奇观或人造奇观。

Ninth house travel is, you know, you're consulting the oracle, you're off to sort of seek answers, you know, whether it's, you know, you might go to Cairo to see the pyramids, you might go to Paris to see the Eiffel Tower, or you might go to Las Vegas to see the Pyramids and the Eiffel Tower, but you're going to sort of, you know, interact with some kind of natural wonder or man made wonder.

第九宫更像是一种旅游，你出发是为了寻找某种东西。

The ninth house is more sort of, you know, it's tourism in the sense that you're off to seek something.

第三宫更注重实际。

The third house is more pragmatic.

你在处理日常生活。

You're taking care of daily life.

但我想这只是一个区别。

But I guess that's just one distinction.

所以通常，是的，通常会涉及长途和短途的距离。

So usually, yeah, usually there's a distance involved in terms of long and short.

但我认为旅行背后的动机和所旅行的距离同样重要。

But I think the motivation behind the travel is as important as the distance traveled.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这确实如此，而且可能还有其他类似的要素。

I mean, think that's true and there can be additional elements like that.

但我想我的一个观点是，尽管我们试图在每个宫位的功能上，尤其是在两个对立宫位之间的轴线上，做出明确的区分，但有时实际含义的重叠可能比我们意识到的，或现代人愿意承认的还要多。

But I guess one of my points is that even though we try to make strong distinctions between what each house does when it comes to especially axis between two opposing houses, sometimes there can be more overlap in meanings than we realize or that we like to admit sometimes in modern times.

这一点在一些古希腊时期的文本中比较明确，即对立宫位及其象征意义之间有时存在一定的可互换性。

And this is one of the things that was a little bit clear in some of the ancient Hellenistic texts is that there's a little bit more interchangeability sometimes between opposing houses and their significations.

是的，我们在第四宫和第十宫之间也经常看到这种情况。

Yeah, I mean, we certainly see that a lot with fourth and tenth as well.

对，说得很好。

So yeah, well taken.

好的。

All right.

下一个例子很好。

So next example is a good one.

他们说金星在第三宫，实际上是在第四宫。

They said Venus in the third house is really in the fourth house.

他们还说，我从小父亲就喜欢自驾游，我也热爱公路旅行，我为此而活。

And they said, I also grew up with a dad that loved road trips and I also have a love for the open road, I live for it.

我觉得这个描述太棒了。

I thought that was such a great delineation.