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我的名字是克里斯·布伦南，你正在收听占星播客。
My name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the astrology podcast.
在这一集中，我将采访一些人，讨论天王星最近进入金牛座的运行，回顾过去七年中天王星在他们出生图中所经过的宫位，以及在此期间生活中出现的与天王星运行直接相关的主题、话题和变化。
In this episode, I'm gonna be interviewing people about the recent transit of Uranus in Taurus and doing a retrospective about what house it was transiting through in their birth chart over the course of the past seven years and what sort of themes and topics and changes came up in their life during the course of that time that we can connect directly with the transit of Uranus.
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Alright.
所以，本集的前提是，天王星上周，即2025年7月7日，刚刚进入双子座。
So, the premise of this episode is that Uranus just moved into Gemini, last week, in the past week on 07/07/2025.
很多人因此想知道，在未来七八年天王星穿越双子座期间，这个运行会意味着什么。
And a lot of people are wondering then, you know, what the transit of Uranus is gonna mean over the course of the next seven or eight years as it moves through Gemini.
但关于外行星的星座更替，或者缓慢运行的行星换星座，一个重要之处在于，这总是提供了一个绝佳的机会，让你回顾该行星在之前多年穿越该星座期间的经历，并现在从回顾的角度评估它在你生活中引发的变化。
But one of the things that's important about outer planet sign changes or when slow moving planets change signs is it always provides you with an excellent opportunity to look back at what that transit has been over the course of however many years it's been transiting through that sign and to kinda do an assessment now in retrospect about what the changes were that it brought up in your life.
所有行星都在某种程度上象征着变化，区别仅在于它们引发变化的方式、带来的变化类型，以及这些变化在我们生活中的强度、范围和持续时间。
And all of the planets signify change in some way, and it's just the the manner in which they bring about change in our lives, the types of changes they bring about, and also the the magnitude or the extent and duration of the changes that they bring about in our lives.
例如，在过去几个月里，我做了几期关于金星和火星逆行的节目。
So for example, over the past several months, I've been doing a number of episodes about the v's the recent Venus and Mars retrograde periods.
我展示了金星逆行如何在不同人的生活中引发一系列变化，尤其是在它经过的宫位中，这段持续了近六个月的时期，从一月它首次进入双鱼座，一直到六月它最终离开巨蟹座——也就是它逆行的星座。
And I showed how with the Venus retrograde, it opened up a series of changes that were happening in different people's lives, especially in the house it was transiting over that several month period that lasted almost seven almost six months from, like, January when it first went into Pisces all the way until June when it finally departed from Aries, the sign that it retrograded in.
因此，这就像一个六个月的时间窗口，期间发生了一系列与金星逆行相关的事件。
So that was like a six month window where there was the unfolding of a sequence of events that related to the Venus retrograde in different ways.
而当我们讨论火星时，这段时期更长，大约九到十个月，从九月火星首次进入巨蟹座，到六月它最终离开狮子座，期间在巨蟹和狮子两个星座中逆行。
Or when we talked about Mars, it was a longer, like, nine month, maybe ten month period from September when Mars first went into Cancer until June when it finally departed from Leo, having gotten retrograde in those two signs of Cancer in Leo.
同样地，我展示了逆行 transit 如何展开为一系列随时间推移的事件。
So there, again, I demonstrated how the retrograde transit was the unfolding of a sequence of events that extended over a period of time.
虽然有时在这个过程中会出现某个单一事件作为焦点或触发点，但通常会有一连串事件先于它发生，并由它引发，这些都与整个天体运行的影响密切相关。
And while sometimes there was like a singular event within that that acted as like a focal point or a trigger, that oftentimes there was this whole sequence of events that led up to that and that flowed from that that were tied in with the overall manifestation of the transit.
对于天王星，我们也在观察类似的情况，只不过时间跨度要长得多——它自2018年5月首次进入金牛座以来，已经在你的星盘中特定的整宫内运行了七年。
So with Uranus, we're looking at something similar, but we're just looking at it over the course of a much longer period of time, which is seven years that it's been transiting through the specific whole sign house that it's been transiting in your chart ever since it first dipped into Taurus in May 2018.
因此，为了本次网络研讨会和这个个案研究，我之前已经做过一期节目。
So for the purpose of this webinar and for this case study, I've done a previous episode.
我认为这是占星播客第197集，标题是‘天王星通过各宫位’。
I think it was episode one ninety seven of the astrology podcast, which was titled Uranus transits through the houses.
我们在天王星进入金牛座之初就做了这一期，当时请人们分享了天王星经过他们星盘中不同宫位时发生的故事，以及这些影响是如何显现的。
And we actually did that at the beginning of Uranus in Taurus, and we asked people to share different stories about what happened when Uranus transits through different houses in their chart and how that manifested.
我们收到了很多非常精彩的故事，逐一讲述了每个宫位的情况。
And we got a lot of really good stories just going through each of the houses sequentially.
因为我发现，这是理解所有行星的一种方式，不仅限于内行星，如果你是一位传统占星师，想要研究外行星的含义并建立自己的象征体系，这正是一个有效的方法：关注行星在星盘中特定整宫位运行的这些独立时间段。
Because one of the things that I found is that this is one of the ways that you can understand all of the planets, not just the inner planets, but also if you're, let's say, a traditional astrologer and you're wanting to investigate the outer planets and what they mean and try to develop your own understanding of the significations, this is one of the ways that you can go about doing it by paying attention to these discrete periods of time when the planet is transiting a specific whole sign house near chart.
因为在这一 transit 期间，会涌现出与该行星相关的一些主题，以及你生活中相应领域所发生的改变。
Because during the course of that transit, there will be some themes emerge that relate to that planet and the changes that occur in that specific area of your life.
因此，为了本场网络研讨会的目的，我们将使用整宫制：你只需确定自己的上升星座，该星座即为第一宫，接下来的星座是第二宫，再下一个星座是第三宫。
So for the purpose of this, we're gonna be using whole sign houses where you just identify what your rising sign is, and then that sign becomes the first house, then and the sign after that becomes the second house, and the sign after that becomes the third house.
我确实认为，在天王星长达七年的运行过程中，当它经过每个整宫位时，该宫位所代表的主题会非常清晰地显现出来。
And I do truly think that you can see very vividly the house topics come up in the whole sign house framework at different points when Uranus is transiting through that whole sign house over the course of that seven year period.
当然，在某些时刻，这种影响会被强化，比如当天王星发生特定的世俗占星转位时——如它逆行或顺行的节点，这通常就像一个感叹号。
And sometimes this is accentuated, of course, at different points when Uranus will either do specific, have specific mundane astrological transits, like if it stations retrograde or direct, that's usually an exclamation mark.
当食发生在与天王星相同星座时，或者天王星与其他行星形成紧张相位时，比如过去七年中在金牛座发生了三次火星与天王星的合相，或者曾出现过木星与天王星的合相。
When there's eclipses in the same sign as Uranus, when it makes hard aspects with other planets, like there were three Mars Uranus conjunctions in Taurus that happened over the past seven years, or there was a Jupiter Uranus conjunction that happened at one point.
所有这些因素都会加剧这种影响。
So all of those things can accentuate it.
此外，当天王星在其穿越金牛座的过程中，与你星盘中的行星形成精确相位时，
And then on top of that, when Uranus actually makes exact aspects to planets in your chart during the course of
尤其是紧张相位，比如
its transit through Taurus, especially hard aspects, which
合相、刑相和对冲相，这些往往会在七年的整个周期中，以最戏剧性的方式显现出该次行运的具体含义。
are the conjunction, the square, and the opposition, that's oftentimes when the specific meaning of that transit will manifest in the most dramatic ways during the course of that seven year long transit.
如果天王星在行运过程中触及了某个角度点，比如上升点、下降点、中天或天底，也同样适用。
That's also true if, for example, there's the degree of an angle, either the ascendant, the descendant, the midheaven, or the IC.
如果在天王星穿越该宫位期间，它恰好命中了这些角度点中的任何一个，那么这段时间就会成为该次行运意义最活跃、最强烈的时期。
If it hits one of those degrees at some point during the course of its transit through the house, then that'll be a particularly active and potent time for the significations of that transit to manifest.
但通常，在此之前会有一些预兆，之后也会有一些后续事件，因为天王星正在穿越整个宫位。
But usually, there's some, like, lead up to that or some things that happen after that as well just as it's going through the whole sign house.
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Alright.
所以这些是一些基本的预备知识。
So those are some, like, basic preliminaries.
我想展示几张图表，帮助大家了解我过去几天所研究的日期，这些图表是由Honeycomb.co的Madeleine Dacoats为我制作的。
I did wanna show a couple of graphics that to help orient people with the dates that I was working on over the past few days and that were made for me by Madeleine Dacoats of honeycomb.co.
第一张图显示了天王星进入金牛座的日期。
So the first one just shows the ingress dates of Uranus into Taurus.
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Alright.
天王星于2018年5月15日首次离开白羊座，进入金牛座，这是第一次入宫。
So Uranus first departed from Aries and moved into Taurus on 05/15/2018, and this is the first ingress.
对我来说，这标志着天王星进入金牛座的开始，也是我们回顾2018年中期以来生活变化的时间起点。
And for me, this is the beginning of Uranus' transit through Taurus, and it's the beginning of the time frame that we're gonna be thinking of when we look back and think about what was happening in our lives starting around this time period in mid twenty eighteen forward.
因为一颗行星首次进入一个星座时，会开启其影响。
Because the first ingress of a planet into a sign opens up.
这是事件序列的初始开启，接下来的七到八年里，天王星将一直在金牛座运行，这一系列事件也将随之展开。
It's the initial opening up of the sequence of events that will then unfold, in this case, over the course of the next seven or eight years that Uranus was in in Taurus.
所以天王星是在2018年年中进入金牛座的。
So it went into Taurus in mid twenty eighteen.
它在2018年底逆行回白羊座，然后于2019年3月6日最终再次进入金牛座。
It retrograded out back into Aries in late twenty eighteen, and then it made its final ingress back into Taurus on 03/06/2019.
此后，它在金牛座停留了很长一段时间，大约七年，直到2025年7月7日才首次进入双子座。
Then it was just in Taurus for a very long period of time for about seven years until 07/07/2025 when it made its first ingress into Gemini.
而今年晚些时候，天王星尚未完全离开金牛座，因为它将于2025年11月7日再次逆行回金牛座，最终在2026年4月25日彻底离开金牛座。
And eventually later this year, Uranus is not finished with Taurus because it's gonna retrograde back into Taurus on 11/07/2025 before eventually departing from Taurus for the final time on 04/25/2026.
到那时，它将在双子座停留接下来的七年左右。
And at that point, it's gonna be in Gemini for the next, like, seven years.
所以这就是我们的时间范围。
So that's our time frame.
这意味着这次星象运行实际上尚未正式结束，我提前举办这个工作坊，是因为天王星今年晚些时候和明年年初还将再次回到金牛座，穿越该星座的后段度数。
And part of what that means is that the transit actually isn't technically over, and I'm doing this workshop a little bit prematurely because Uranus is gonna come back into Taurus for one final trip going through the later degrees of that sign late this year and early next year.
但我现在做这个的原因是，既然天王星已经首次进入双子座，它就已经至少完整经过了金牛座的全部30度，这意味着所有可能受到天王星在金牛座精确相位影响的人，尤其是那些天王星与他们星盘中行星形成精确紧张相位的人，都已经至少经历了一次这样的紧张相位。
But the reason I'm doing it now is because now that Uranus has first moved into Gemini, it's finally moved through all 30 degrees of Taurus at least once, which means that everybody that was gonna get an exact transit, especially an exact hard aspect from Uranus and Taurus to one of the planets in their chart has now received at least one hard aspect of that planet.
因此，通常来说，天王星带来的故事——特别是与宫位相关的部分——此时应该已经明显开始显现了，即使今年晚些时候、明年年初天王星重返金牛座时，仍可能有一些最终的惊喜或尚未完全完成的事情发生。
And therefore, usually, whatever the Uranus story is, especially in terms of the house transit, should have clearly started to manifest at this point even if there's still gonna be some final surprises or final things that don't fully come into completion until later this year, early next year when Uranus returns for one last trip through that sign.
让我再展示一张玛德琳为我制作的图表。
So let me show one more diagram that Madeleine made for me.
当然，正如我所说，天王星在金牛座期间，在世俗层面上有几个关键的时间点。
So, of course, Uranus in Taurus, as I said, there were different points during the course of that transit that were important in a mundane sense.
如果我要列出所有这些节点，图表看起来会像这样，它不仅显示了进入和离开星座的日期。
And if I were to identify everything, it would look something like this graphic, basically, which shows not just the ingress dates and the egress dates.
离开星座是指行星离开该星座。
Egress is when the planet leaves the sign.
进入星座是指行星进入该星座。
Ingress is when it enters the sign.
但它还标出了天王星处于顺行或逆行停滞的日期，这些日期就像行星旁边的感叹号，尤其是当它非常接近你星盘中的某个本命行星，或通过紧张相位紧密作用于本命行星时，这些停滞日期对你来说就尤为重要。
But it also shows the stationary dates when you're in a stationed retrograde or direct, which are like exclamation marks next to the planet, especially if they if it stations very close to a natal planet in your chart or closely aspect a natal planet through a hard aspect, then some of those stations and dates would have been important for you.
在2021年到2023年期间，月食多次发生在金牛座，这标志着重大的开始与结束，能够极大地强化天王星相位的影响。
There was that period for a few years from 2021 through 2023 where eclipses were happening in Taurus, which indicate major beginnings and major endings and can really amplify what the Uranus transit is all about.
在2020年到2023年期间，土星经过水瓶座，并与天王星形成刑相位。
There was a period in 2020 through 2023 when Saturn was going through Aquarius, and it was squaring Uranus.
土星三次与天王星形成精确刑相位，这为那些已经经历天王星精确相位的人增添了额外的影响，尤其是在2021年，当三次精确刑相位接连发生时。
It squared Uranus three times, which could then add some additional things on top of if you're already having a exact Uranus transits, then you were also having exact Saturn transits during that time from 2021, especially when there were three exact squares.
木星在2023年5月至2024年5月期间经过金牛座，并在2024年4月与天王星形成精确合相。
There was the Jupiter transit through Taurus from May 2023 through May 2024 with an exact conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus in April 2024.
此外，在此期间，火星三次经过金牛座——更准确地说，是发生了三次火星与天王星的精确合相，分别在2021年1月、2022年8月和2024年7月。
And then finally, there were three Mars transits through Taurus during this time, or specifically, should say three specific Mars Uranus conjunctions that occurred in January 2021, August 2022, and July 2024.
因此，这些相位也可能成为触发器，以不同方式影响了不同人生活中的火星-天王星事件。
And so those also may have acted as triggers from for some Mars Uranus events that happened in different people's lives in different ways.
所以，这构成了一个更复杂的图景，你需要将其与自己的出生星盘叠加起来，而我接下来会边讲解边实时分析。
So that's, like, the more complex picture, which you then have to overlay your birth chart with, and then I'll kind of be doing on the fly as I'm going
通过
through
这一集中，我会稍微采访一些人。
an inner peep interviewing people a little bit in this episode.
但大部分时候，我不希望把事情复杂化，反而想尽量简化，只聚焦于第一张图和入宫日期：这次行运始于2018年年中，现在正结束于2025年和2026年。
But for the most part, I don't actually wanna complicate things, and I actually wanna try my best to keep it very simple by just focusing on the first graphic and the ingress dates, which is that the transit started in mid twenty eighteen, and it's ending now in 2025 and 2026.
它在你的星盘中经过了哪个宫位？与该宫位相关的主题，是如何以某种显著的方式在你的生活中显现出来的？
What house did it transit through in your chart, and how were the topics associated with that specific whole sign house manifested manifested in in your your in your life in some significant changes in some way.
这是一张图表，展示了我对12个宫位的传统象征意义，以及当行运经过这些宫位时，我们通常会遇到的一些主题。
And here's a diagram that shows my traditional significations for each of the 12 houses and some of the topics that we would expect to encounter having any sort of transit through one of those houses.
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Alright.
所以，我认为在开始访谈之前，我要说的预备内容就这些了。
So I think that's it in terms of preliminary stuff that I meant to say in the lead up to this before we start doing interviews.
我在想，是不是还有其他我打算说的内容，但可能就这些了。
I'm trying to think if there's anything else that I meant to to say, but that might be it.
也许现在该进入一些例子了，这样就不是仅仅告诉你会发生什么，而是通过与人交谈、倾听他们的生活故事来实际展示出来。
Maybe it's time to jump into some examples so that instead of just telling you, you know, what to what's gonna happen, you know, that we can actually demonstrate it through talking with people and hearing their life stories.
通过与人们交谈并倾听他们的生活故事，这正是我做这件事的原因之一，因为我们能够选取这些故事，帮助人们理解天王星经过特定宫位时可能显现的原理，从而根据天王星即将进入他们星盘中的哪个宫位，来理解下一次天王星进入双子座的意义。
So through talking people and hearing their life stories and that's one of the things, and that's why I'm doing this, is because we're gonna be able to take some of these stories and then hopefully people can learn the principles of of some of the ways that a Uranus transit through a specific house can manifest and then understand then what the next transit of Uranus in Gemini is gonna mean based on which house it's moving into in their chart.
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Alright.
我请了不少人提交案例，这些人都来自我的占星播客的赞助者，以及我黄道占星课程的学生。
So I've asked a bunch of people to submit examples both from patrons of the astrology podcast through my page on Patreon as well as students of my Hellenistic astrology course.
因此，今天我会逐一采访其中一些人，大家也通过投票帮助我筛选和优先选择那些最具代表性的案例。
And so I'm gonna go through and interview some of those today, and people are helping me by voting on some of the submissions in order to help filter some of them out and and prioritize certain ones that are the most compelling examples.
那我们先从第一个开始，就是布里安娜，我现在把你提升为嘉宾。
So we were gonna start with the first one, which is Brianna, and I'm gonna promote you to a panelist now.
接下来我们将进入第一个访谈，主题是天王星经过第四宫。
And then we'll jump into our first interview, which is a transit of Uranus through the fourth house.
你好。
Hey.
感谢你参与。
Thanks for joining me.
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Yeah.
谢谢邀请我。
Thanks for having me.
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Alright.
这是你的出生星盘。
So here's your birth chart.
我们先来聊一些基础内容。
So let's do some of the basic stuff.
你有水瓶座上升。
So you have Aquarius rising.
你的是日盘。
You have a day chart.
你星盘中最有正面影响的行星是木星，它位于第三宫的白羊座；而更具挑战性的行星是火星，它位于第十宫的天蝎座。
The most positive planet in your chart is Jupiter, which is in the third house in Aries, and then the more challenging planet is Mars, which is in the tenth house in Scorpio.
这是一次天王星经过你第四宫的行运。
And this was a Uranus transit through your fourth house.
从2018年年中开始，天王星进入你的第四宫，最近刚刚离开你的第四宫。
So starting in mid twenty eighteen, Uranus went into your fourth house, and then it recently departed from your fourth house.
尽管你的IC（天底）位于双子座二度，因此第四宫的主题会延续到你的第五整宫，与第五宫主题重叠。
Although the degree of your IC is there at two degrees of Gemini, so there'll be some continuation of fourth house topics into your fifth whole sign house, doubling up with fifth house topics.
但关于你的家、居住状况或父母方面，第四宫带来了哪些具体变化？
But what were the fourth house topics that came up for you with respect to your your home, your living situation, or or the topic of parents?
是的。
Yeah.
其实，我觉得这些变化直到天王星开始与我的上升度数和命盘中的冥王星产生联系时才真正开始。
So I and it really didn't get started, I think, until Uranus started to make contact with my ascendant degree and my natal Pluto.
并不是从2018年就开始的。
Like, it didn't start in 2018.
但在2021年，我在国外时经历了一次非常突然且出乎意料的搬迁。
But in 2021, I had a really abrupt unexpected move that happened when I was out of the country.
这非常奇怪。
So that was very strange.
然后我搬了家，所以是
And then I moved So it was
是你当时的伴侣在你外出旅行时让你搬的家吗？
like your partner at the time caused you to move while you were away on a trip?
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
所以这不仅与第四宫的行运有关，还因为你当时的上升点、下降点和金星形成了刑相位？
So that was tying in the fourth house transit as well as the fact that it was like squaring your your ascendant, your descendant, and your your Venus?
是的。
Yeah.
你当时正在旅行，这其实很有趣，因为这还形成了对金星的刑相位，而金星正是你第四宫和第九宫的守护星。
That's actually interesting that you're away on a trip at the time because it also would have been squaring your Venus, which is the ruler of your fourth and ninth.
是的。
Yeah.
那非常奇怪。
It was very strange.
每当我用‘奇怪’或‘古怪’这样的词时，我都会想：这是天王星的影响吗？
And any anytime I use the word weird or strange, I'm like, is that Uranus?
那很令人不安吗？
So was that jarring?
我的意思是，这在你们两人之间造成了紧张吗？还是怎样？
I mean, was that did that cause tension between the two of you or what?
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
这完全没有任何帮助。
It was not helpful at all.
是的。
Yeah.
可以说，这使得在国外的经历变得很奇怪。
Safe to say it made for a weird time abroad.
这完全出乎意料。
It was very unexpected.
我不得不临时调整，应对这种突然而剧烈的情况，非常紧迫。
I had to kind of pivot and deal with it in a very, like, sudden abrupt kind of it was very acute.
而且，是的，这确实带来了一些挑战。
And, yeah, it definitely caused some some challenges.
一些挑战和一些紧张关系。
Some challenges and some tensions.
好的。
Okay.
轻描淡写。
Understatement.
是的。
Yeah.
这是2021年。
And this is 2021.
我应该展示一下双轮图，因为这可能会帮助我们更好地理解。
I should be sharing the bi wheel because that'll probably help us visualize a little bit more.
好的。
So okay.
你知道是哪个月吗？
So do you know what month it was?
应该是九月。
It would have been September.
九月。
September.
好的。
Okay.
所以天王星实际上是在宫位中。
So Uranus Uranus was actually state.
天王星当时大约在金牛座14度，位于你的第四宫？
Uranus was actually stationing at, like, 14 degrees of Taurus around that time roughly in your in your fourth house?
是的。
Yes.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以这很令人惊讶，我肯定也很让人困惑和突然。
So that was surprising and and I'm sure, like, disorienting and, like, sudden.
然后你说你后来又搬了一次家？
And then you said you had a second move later on?
是的。
Yeah.
所以那应该是2022年8月。
So then it would have been August 2022.
我又搬了一次家，独自离开了之前搬去的地方。
I moved again by myself away from the the previous place that I had moved.
好的。
Okay.
是因为分手吗？
And that was due to, like, a breakup?
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
那时我非常独立，这感觉也非常伊朗式。
So that when I was very independent, which is another felt very Iranian.
明白了。
Got it.
所以，你在谈论这件事时感觉有多自在？就比如，这是否部分源于第一次搬家后一年内发生的紧张关系，还是这是一个长期积累的过程，或者它本身是突然发生的？
So you how comfortable do you feel talking about that just in terms of, like was that due to was that partially due to, like, tensions that happened after the first move over the course of the next year, or was that, like, a long process that had been building up, or was that in and of itself something that happened suddenly?
哦，这是一个长期积累的过程。
Oh, that was a very long process that had been building up.
但这 definitely 是一种，我不知道怎么说。
But this was definitely, like, kind of a I don't know.
突破这个词不太合适。
Breakthrough is not the right word.
我想是崩溃吧。
Breakdown, I guess.
你知道，当一件事长期承受压力，然后突然发生了意想不到的事情。
You know, when something's been having a stress test for a long time and then something unexpected happens.
它，是的。
It yeah.
所以，这更接近它的整体感觉。
So that was more the vibe of it.
你们结婚多久了？
How long had you been married?
虽然没有法律上的婚姻，但在一起十三年了。
Not on paper, but together for thirteen years.
好的。
Okay.
那是一段很长的时间，对吧？
That's a long that's a long time?
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
所以这时你们分开了，然后你搬出去，独自住进自己的地方，这是你多少年来第一次独自生活？
So at this point, you you separate, and then you go out and you end up getting your own place, and then you're suddenly living on your own for the first time in how many years?
天啊。
Oh, goodness.
所以那应该是从2009年左右开始的。
So it would have been since, like, twenty o nine.
那这个时间怎么算呢？
So then what's the math on that?
也就是十二年前吧。
Like, twelve years prior
对。
Right.
差不多吧。
Or so.
好的。
Okay.
所以这在你的生活状况和独自生活方面是一个巨大的转变。
So that's a huge, huge shift in terms of your your living situation and, like, living independently on your own.
一方面，这与你之前的生活截然不同；但另一方面，有时也会带来更大的自由感、解脱感之类的。
And on the one hand, that being wildly different than what your life had been up to that point, But then also sometimes there can be a sense of greater freedom and, like, liberation and things like that.
是的。
Oh, yeah.
对。
Yeah.
那真的非常不同。
It was very extremely different.
而且确实是这样。
And that's yeah.
再说一遍，当时的一切都变了，我觉得天王星降临了，说：我们要彻底不一样地做这件事。
Again, just like whatever was there, I feel like Uranus came through and was like, we're gonna do this differently, entirely differently.
结果就是这样，变得非常不同。
And that is how it ended up very much.
嗯。
Mhmm.
好的。
Okay.
你是怎么体验到这一点的？
Did you experience how did you experience that?
就你的生活状况而言，你在内心和外在方面经历了怎样的过程？
What was your, like, internal and external process in terms of that, in terms of your living situation?
我从和一个人一起住的普通两居室，搬到了一个很小的单间公寓，一个人住。
I went from kind of a, you know, normal two bedroom size situation with a person to a tiny little, like, studio apartment by myself.
房间太小了，但其实还挺容易适应的。
It's so tiny, and that was actually very manageable.
但没错，一切都是新的。
But, yeah, everything was new.
那种情况下的方方面面都是全新的。
Like, everything about that situation was new.
买菜也是全新的体验。
Grocery shopping was new.
再次，我打理家的方式也是全新的。
Again, how I took care of my home was new.
一切都非常新鲜，尽管那都是一些非常平凡甚至有点无聊的事情。
Everything was very, very new even though it was, like, very mundane and kind of boring stuff.
是的。
Yeah.
但你必须适应一种全新的方式，就像重新学习如何做某事一样，尽管理论上，这本是你成年后一直都在做的事情，但现在你却要在一个完全新的情境中重新学习？
But you had to get used to something that was almost like a learning how to do something new all over again even though, theoretically, it's something you've been doing for your entire adult life, but you're having to learn this, like, brand new context for doing it?
是的。
Yeah.
完全如此。
Totally.
很好。
Nice.
好的。
Okay.
然后你刚才说还有第三次搬家吗？
And then did you say there was a third move?
是的。
Yeah.
所以，当我看到你展示的那个图表时，土星与天王星的刑相位在那时对我而言是最动荡的。
So then because I noticed when you put up that graphic, the Saturn Uranus squares, though, at that time was the most tumultuous for me.
然后当木星与天王星合相时，那是哪个月份？
And then when there was that Jupiter Uranus conjunction, May what was that?
2023年5月，我终于搬进了这个地方，和一位新伴侣一起租了房子，这是我人生中第一次要照顾整个家。
May 2023, I ended up being able to move into this place and rent a home with a new partner, and now I'm taking care of an entire home for the first time in my life.
房子不是我的，但我得负责打理，还要照顾草坪。
It's not mine, but I have to take care of it and taking care of a lawn.
所以，是的，这又是另一件我以前从未做过的新事。
So, yeah, it's it's been, again, just another new thing that I've never done before.
哇。
Wow.
太棒了。
That's amazing.
所以，是的，那是在2023年5月。
And so, yeah, that was in May 2023.
嗯。
Mhmm.
而且那正是木星实际迁入——是的，木星在那个月迁入金牛座的时候。
And that was right when Jupiter actually, Jupiter moved into, yeah, Jupiter moved into Taurus that month.
所以这是一个非常棒的额外积极扩展。
So that's a brilliant additional sort of positive expansion.
有趣的是，这种扩展几乎是字面意义上的，因为你提到你从一个小公寓搬到了一个非常大的地方。
And that's funny that it was an expansion almost literally because you said you moved from like a small apartment to being in like a big big place.
是的。
Yeah.
这完全不同。
It's extremely different.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
这很酷。
That's cool.
酷。
Cool.
好的。
Alright.
那么，如果回顾过去七年中的这次星象过渡，显然出现了许多事情，部分原因不仅是你的家居和生活状况发生了变化，当然，你所描述的土星与天王星的刑相位，当时土星正好经过你的上升点和金星。
Well, are those would you say, like, reflecting on the transit over the past seven years, obviously, there were many things that came up partially because it wasn't just your home and living situation, but, of course, like the Saturn Uranus square that you were describing was Saturn was, like, going over your ascendant and your Venus at the same time.
因此，这不仅涉及你命盘中的第四宫——关于家庭和生活状况，我还经常看到一种情况：当天王星经过一个角宫时，尤其是当那里还有其他行星或角点时，它会同时激活这些宫位。
And so, obviously, this was bringing into account not just the fourth house in your hope and living situation, but something I commonly see, which is all of the angular houses that when sometimes when Uranus goes through an angular house, especially if there's other planets or angular degrees, that it starts activating those as well.
而且，关系方面确实经历了一些重大的变化和动荡。
And, certainly, relationships went through some major changes and shakeups.
我猜你的个性和自我也经历了重大的动荡。
And I assume your your personality and yourself went through some major shakeups.
在这段时间里，你的事业也经历了一些变化。
And even your career has gone through some changes during that time.
对吧？
Right?
确实如此。
It sure has.
是的。
Yeah.
我离开了药房行业，现在是一名占星师。
I left pharmacy, and now I'm an astrologer.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
你是一名全职占星师，这很可能从那次星象过渡的早期就开始成为你人生旅程的一部分。
You're like a full time astrologer, and that's been part of your journey probably since pretty early on in that transit.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这是我学习的第八年，离开药学的第四年，即将进入第五年。
This is my eighth year of study and my fourth year away from pharmacy, getting into my fifth year.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
基本上整个天王星的影响都是这样。
Pretty much this whole Uranus thing.
我的意思是，最初虽然如此，但这也挺有意思的，因为当时天王星不仅与天蝎座的某些因素相冲，还与金星、上升点以及下降点形成刑相。
I mean, initially, though I mean, that's kind of interesting because, you know, it was opposing some of the the Scorpio stuff as well as squaring Venus and, like, the ascendant and stuff and as well as a descendant.
事实上，我认为你我最初相识，是因为你在Reddit上发帖，说你和伴侣之间因为对方不相信占星术而产生了一些矛盾，以及其他人是如何应对这种情况的。
And that was actually, I think, how you and I first met was you posted on Reddit that you're having some tensions about in your relationship about your partner not believing in astrology and, like, how other people dealt with that.
所以，在这次天王星运行期间，你逐渐深入接触占星术，而这部分也导致了你当时伴侣的紧张关系，对吧？
So that was actually part of your your process as well was over the course of this transit was, like, getting more and more into astrology, but that partially causing tensions with your then current partner?
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
那是我的天王星落在第三宫。
That was my Uranus in the third.
木星落在我的第九宫。
Jupiter was in my ninth.
我发现了占星术。
I found astrology.
它彻底颠覆了一切。
It kind of upheaved everything.
是的
Yeah.
不错
Nice.
不错
Nice.
是的
Yeah.
很棒
Cool.
好的
Alright.
嗯
Well
以最好的方式
In the best way possible.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
好吧，现在你是一名占星师，并且你已经把这当作全职事业了，从这次星象过渡中走出来，这还挺有意思的。
Well, now you're an astrologer, and you do you've made that your full time career, and it's kind of interesting coming out of this transit.
是的。
Yeah.
不仅仅是它如何影响了你的家和居住环境，还因为在这过程中出现了其他一些非常奇特而有趣的相关变化。
Not just how it shaped your home and living situation, but also how it's had these other there's been these other changes sort of connected with that in in very weird and interesting ways.
是的。
Yeah.
完全没错。
Totally.
是的
Yeah.
谢谢你的提醒。
Thank you for the prompt.
是的
Yeah.
谢谢你思考并分享这些。
Thanks for thinking about it and sharing it.
而且，哦，是的。
And, oh, yeah.
你的占星和咨询网站是什么来着？
What's your website again for for astrology and for consultations?
我非常感谢你这么说。
Oh, I appreciate that very much.
www.alightinglightastrology.com。
Www.alightinglightastrology.com.
太棒了。
Cool.
顺便说一下，我叫Claire Moon。
I'm Claire Moon, by the way.
我用的是我的时刻名。
I use my moment name.
就像，我根本没想过，但你好。
Like, I just didn't even think about it, but hello.
好的。
Okay.
谢谢。
Thank you.
太棒了。
Cool.
谢谢你分享你的故事。
Well, thanks for sharing your story.
是的。
Yeah.
谢谢。
Thanks.
保重。
Take care.
好的。
Alright.
再见。
Bye.
好的。
Alright.
所以那是一个相当典型的，嗯，第四个房屋的例子。
So that was a pretty solid, yeah, like, fourth house example.
而且我本来想在最开始提到的一件事，虽然当时没说，但这次确实很好地带了出来并强化了我们预期会看到的天王星的一些核心主题。
And one of the things I meant to mention at the very beginning, which I didn't, but that this really helped to bring up and kind of drive home is some of the core themes of Uranus that we're expecting to see.
到目前为止，我已经做了两期专门关于天王星的节目，一期是和里克·莱文讨论天王星与占星学，另一期则是关于天王星穿越宫位的。
So, I've done two whole episodes devoted to Uranus at this point, one that I did with Rick Levine on Uranus and astrology, and then another that I did on Uranus transit through the houses.
在这两期节目中反复出现的主题，不仅占星师们常提及，而且在天王星在命盘中显著或发生相位时的实际案例中也能看到：一方面，是革命、自由和解放的主题。
And the recurring themes throughout those two episodes that you commonly see, not just that astrologers talk about, but that you actually see in examples when Uranus is prominent either natally or by transit is on the one hand, there's themes of revolution, freedom, and liberation.
因此，有时你会强烈渴望并推动生活中某个领域获得自由，而这种感受是你以前从未经历过的。
So sometimes there can be this intense desire and push for freedom in a certain area of your life that you hadn't experienced previously.
或者，有时你会突然感到获得解放，拥有比以往任何时候都更大的自由去做不同的事情，或不再被生活中的某些方面所束缚。
Or sometimes there can be this feeling of suddenly being liberated and having much greater freedom to do different things or to not be held back in certain areas of your life than you had up to this up to that point.
当天王星经过某个宫位时，一个人生活的某个方面也可能出现突然、意外且剧烈的变化。
There can also be sudden, unexpected, and radical changes in a certain part of the person's life when Uranus goes through a certain house.
所以，突如其来的变化、意想不到的事情、不可预测的事件——这正是占星师处理天王星时的一个难点：你往往只能预测到，将会有某种不可预测、突如其来且出人意料的事情发生，而当事人可能根本没预料到。
So sudden changes, unexpected things, things that are unpredictable, that's that's actually one of the issues when you're dealing with Uranus as an astrologer is that you can't often all you can do is is predict that there will be something unpredictable that's sudden and comes out of left field unexpectedly that the person isn't necessarily anticipating.
这听起来有点荒谬，居然要去预测这种事，但有趣的是，这种‘不可预测性’的概念却如此持久且可靠，总会有某种不可靠或意想不到的事情发生。
And that's kind of a funny thing then to to attempt to predict, but it's funny then how persistent and how reliable that concept is that there will be something unreliable or something unexpected that will will take place.
另一个重要的主题，无论是作为外在象征还是内在心理层面的表现，都是个体性、真实性和特立独行的感觉。
Another major theme that comes up both as an external signification but also as an internal or psychological one is feelings of individuality, authenticity, and eccentricity.
因此，当天王星经过我们星盘中的某个宫位时，我们常常会有一种强烈的冲动，想要更真实地做自己，追求自己真正想要的生活，即使这会让我们与他人不同，甚至显得古怪或反叛，与周围人的行为背道而驰。
So we can often have this drive when Uranus goes through a certain house in our chart where we suddenly start having this feeling to be much more authentic to who we are and what we really want out of life, even in an area that might set us apart from other people or even if it's a thing that might make us look eccentric or weird or going against the grain compared to what other people are doing.
所以，当它以某种特定方式影响我们的星盘时，我们会个人感受到一种渴望，想要做更符合自我本真的事情。
So sometimes when it's hitting our chart in a particular way, we experience that personally in wanting to do something more something more authentic to ourselves.
但有时，当它经过不同的宫位时，我们会看到这种现象发生在我们身边人的生活中。
But sometimes when it's going through different houses, we see that happening in the lives of people around us.
在一些故事中，我相信我们会看到这种情况出现——比如伴侣突然开始做一些出人意料或古怪的事情。
So in some stories, I'm sure we're gonna see that coming up where the partner starts doing something that's unexpected or something that's eccentric.
或者，如果涉及第五宫，可能是孩子在做类似的事情。
Or if it's the fifth house, it might be the children that are doing something like that.
或者，如果是第十一宫，可能是你的朋友圈在做这样的事。
Or if it's the eleventh house, it might be your friend group that's doing something like that.
因此，这些象征有时通过我们自身显现，但有时也会通过我们身边人的生活以某种方式影响我们的生活。
So sometimes these significations manifest through us, but other times, they manifest in the lives of people around us in a way that impacts our life in some way.
其他常见的主题还涉及科技、创新与未来主义，或者说是面向未来的思维方式。
Other themes that come up are sometimes themes having to do with technology, innovation, and futurism, or, like, thinking towards the future.
人们可能会在他们以前从未使用过的某个生活领域开始使用科技。
People can start using technology in a certain area of their life that they hadn't used before up to that point.
他们可能会开始更多地思考未来。
They can start thinking about the future more.
有时他们非常着眼于未来，而这本身就会让他们与他人不同，显得突出，甚至看起来古怪或特立独行。
Sometimes they can be very future oriented, but that in and of itself will set them apart or make them stand out or sometimes even make them look weird or eccentric compared to other people.
最后，有时会伴随天王星的星盘位置或天王星相位出现一种觉醒、洞察或天才的主题。
And then finally, there's sometimes this theme of, like, awakening or insight or genius that comes along with Uranus placements or Uranus transits.
例如，许多占星师在不同阶段都经历过天王星相位。
So for example, a lot of astrologers have Uranus transits at different points.
有时正是在他们开始学习占星术时，因为这可能彻底改变一个人的世界观、人生 outlook，以及他们此前的人生方向。
Sometimes it when they start studying astrology because it can be such a radical change in the person's worldview and outlook and where their life was headed up to that point compared to afterwards.
当我与一群占星师交谈时，当然会发现其中很多人很可能正经历天王星相位，或者相当一部分人曾有过与进入占星领域相吻合的天王星相位。
And when I'm talking to a group of astrologers, of course, they're gonna be overrepresented that a lot of them are probably having Uranus transits or or a decent number of them may have had a Uranus transit that coincided with getting into astrology.
我曾多次提到，大约在1999年左右，当我开始接触占星术时，天王星正好经过我的第一宫和上升点。
I famously have talked a lot about Uranus going over my first house and my ascendant when I got into astrology back around 1999 or or so.
好的。
Alright.
所以这些就是我之前提到的土星的一些含义，我们在讨论这些故事时应该期待的方面。
So those are some of the significations and the things I was saying that I meant to say at the beginning that we should expect from Uranus as we're talking through some of these stories.
那我们继续看一些其他的例子。
So let's jump into some other ones.
克里斯提供了一个很好的第五宫例子。
So there was a good fifth house example from Chris.
就是这样。
There we go.
嘿。
Hey.
嘿。
Hey.
最近怎么样？
How's it going?
很好。
Good.
谢谢你的参与。
Thanks for joining me.
当然。
Absolutely.
谢谢你的邀请。
Thanks for having me.
这是你的出生星盘。
So here's your birth chart.
对于收听音频版的听众来说，你有摩羯座上升。
You have for those listening to the audio version, you have Capricorn rising.
你的是夜盘。
You have a night chart.
最有利的行星是金星，它位于第四宫的白羊座；最具挑战性的行星是土星，位于第十一宫的天蝎座。
The most positive planet is Venus, which is in Aries in the fourth, and the more challenging planet is Saturn and Scorpio in the eleventh.
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金牛座是你的第五宫整体宫位，尽管你的IC度数也在金牛座11度处。
Taurus is your fifth whole sign house, although the degree of your IC is also there at 11 degrees of Taurus.
因此，一些第四宫的主题被带入了你的第五宫整体宫位，我们预计这里会有一些重叠。
So it's importing some fourth house topics into your fifth whole sign house, and we'd expect some overlap there.
此外，你的火星位于金牛座17度，北交点位于18度。
And then you also have Mars in Taurus at 17 degrees and the North Node at 18 degrees.
所以跟我谈谈这次行运吧。
So tell me about this transit.
最近发生了什么？
What's been going on?
嗯，我认为你可以把这分成第五宫和冰星行运两部分来看，而过去七年左右，第五宫的影响更为显著。
Well, I think you can kinda break it down into Fifth House as well as the icy transit with the Fifth House being the more prevalent over the last seven years or so.
我想，一开始你提到过，第一次进入是在2018年5月吗？
I think, towards the beginning, you showed that the first ingress was in was it May 2018?
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
That's correct.
所以这大约是2018年6月左右。
So this was around the time, like, June 2018.
我刚刚快速翻了下我的照片，那是我和妻子的第一次重要旅行。
I just quickly looked through my photos just now, and this was, like, my first major trip with my wife.
我们去了优胜美地山谷。
We went to Yosemite Valley.
而且完全是临时起意，她比我随性多了。
And kinda spontaneously, like, she's a lot more spontaneous than I am.
那时候我们还没结婚。
We we weren't married at the time.
我们才刚开始约会。
We had just kinda basically started dating.
嗯。
Mhmm.
你知道，我们之前已经约会了大概两年，但正是从这次旅行开始，我们的关系真正进入了一起做很多有趣休闲活动的阶段。
You know, but we've been dating, I think, for probably a couple years, but this is where our relationship really started kinda, you know, doing a lot of fun recreational things together.
所以我们去了优胜美地山谷，半夜开车过去，把车停在路边，抢到了一个先到先得的露营地，好好享受了一次旅行。
And so we went to Yosemite Valley, drove there in the middle of the night, and parked along the side of the road and got a first come, first served campsite, you know, and just enjoyed a trip.
我注意到一件非常重要的事，这对我来说有种解放的感觉——我一直以来都希望有一个浪漫伴侣，能一起做很多有趣的事情。
And the a lot of a major thing that I've noticed, which has been kind of, like, liberating for me is something that I've always wanted was to have, like, a romantic partner to do a lot of fun activities with.
从很多方面来说，这可能是我人生中最美好的部分，就是经历了这一切。
And it's been, in a lot of ways, just, like, probably the best part of my life just experiencing this.
这确实是我之前生活所无法比拟的、一种解放性的重大转变。
And it it really is a liberating and major change from what I had before.
在过去这七年里，我旅行的次数比以往任何时候都多，玩得更开心，生活也充实了太多。
I've done so many more, like, trips and had so much more fun and enjoyed life so much more these last, like, seven years than any other time in my life.
是的。
Yeah.
这真不错。
That's really good.
我很高兴你提到这一点，因为这正是第五宫的传统含义之一，通常与娱乐、游戏和休闲活动相关。
I'm glad you brought that up because that is that's one of the components of the Fifth House where traditionally it's associated with, like, fun and games and leisurely activities.
但人们常常觉得这是一个有点奇怪的次要意义，当你只是阅读星盘并将其与其他部分（比如第十宫代表事业、第七宫代表婚姻、第八宫代表死亡）比较时，可能会疑惑为什么它会出现在那里。
But people which often looks like a kinda weird minor signification that you you wonder why that's in there sometimes if you're just reading it and comparing it to other things in the chart, like the tenth house in, like, career or the seventh house in marriage or the eighth house in death.
但当你真正经历第五宫的激活时，突然发现自己变得更有乐趣、更享受生活，更多地参与休闲活动，或者深深迷上某种你特别喜欢并带来更大快乐的游戏时，这实际上会产生巨大的影响，因为有时候正是这些带来乐趣和愉悦的事情让生活最值得回味。
But when you actually start experiencing a fifth house activation and you suddenly find yourself having much more fun and enjoyment or getting more involved in leisurely activities or, like, getting really obsessed with, like, a game of some sort that you really enjoy and brings you greater joy in life, it's actually can make a huge difference because sometimes those are some of the things that make life the most enjoyable is is those things that bring fun and enjoyment.
完全正确。
Absolutely.
很好。
Nice.
好的。
Okay.
所以，过去七年来，这基本上一直是主要的主题。
So, you know, that's kind of been the major theme the past seven years or so.
大约三个月前，她告诉我，她想在三个月后开始要孩子，或者说开始尝试怀孕。
Recently, about three months ago, she told me she wanted to start having a baby in three months or start you know, to start trying in three months.
这对我来说是个巨大的突然变化，因为之前她对这个话题或这个问题一直犹豫不决。
So this is a big sudden change for me because before she was undecided about that topic or, you know, that that issue.
我一直都挺开放的，但突然说想在三个月内开始要孩子，这真让我有点晕头转向，一下子我就想，我们真的能在三个月内准备好吗？
And I've always been kind of, like, open to it, but to all of a sudden say, I wanna start having a baby in three months, this, like, kinda made my head spin and kinda, you know all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm not sure if we're, you know, gonna be ready in three months.
有趣的是，这让我觉得如果有了孩子，我就没时间做自己的创意项目了。
And interestingly, it kinda made me feel like I wouldn't have time for my own creative projects if I had a baby.
我会再也没有时间了，于是开始急着把一堆项目赶完。
Like, I wouldn't have any more time, and I was kinda, like, rushing to get a bunch of, like, my projects done.
我们还决定开始夫妻咨询，好好聊聊这件事。
And we also decided to start couples therapy to kinda, like, talk it talk it over.
我觉得我们的计划是会要孩子，但现在已经过去三个月了。
You know, I think the plan is that we are gonna have a baby, but it's already been three months.
或者至少，我们打算开始尝试要孩子。
Or at least we're gonna start trying to have a baby.
但我们打算先做夫妻咨询，目标是今年开始尝试。
But we're gonna do couples therapy and the goal is to start trying this year.
我本来还想说点关于Taus的什么来着？
And what else was I gonna say about Taus?
这太棒了。
That that that's awesome.
到目前为止，你们双方对生孩子都一直持犹豫态度或缺乏兴趣，但就在三个月前，她突然非常意外地迫切想要生孩子了？
So up to this point, there had been either an ambivalence or or a lack of interest in having a baby on on both of your parts, but all of a sudden, three months ago, she became really suddenly want unexpectedly wanting to have a baby, like, very soon?
是的。
Yes.
她38岁了，所以这也起到了一定作用。
And she's 38, so it kind of plays a role in it too.
对。
Yeah.
但这件事对你来说是意外的、突如其来的吗？因为你之前并没有预料到，或者你们之前没有特别计划或深入讨论过这件事？
So but this is something that you experienced as, a surprise or, like, unexpected because you weren't, like, anticipating that or what it wasn't something you hadn't necessarily, like, planned out or talked about a lot up to that point?
这对我来说是个巨大的惊喜。
It was a major surprise for me.
这在我脑子里反复打转，你知道的。
It was, you know, kind of definitely through my head in circles.
当然。
Sure.
是的。
Yeah.
所以你还在消化这件事，而这种情况确实会发生——突然出现一个意想不到的变化。
So that's something that you're still processing, and that's something that can happen is suddenly a surprise thing that comes up.
而且，当我们讨论星盘中的其他宫位时，有时是别人突然发生了变化，从而意外地影响了你的生活。
And, you know, when we're dealing with other houses in the chart, sometimes it's somebody else having a sudden change and that impacting our life unexpectedly.
这也是为什么天王星的相位会这么复杂的原因之一。
And that's one of the reasons why with Uranus transits, it's tricky.
你知道，有些人说你可以掌控一切，可以改变主意，或者以任何方式显化能量。
You know, sometimes people say that you can control things or you can change your mind or you can, like, manifest the energy however you want.
但有时候，当来自你生活中其他人的意外变化袭来时，你必须去应对和处理，无论你如何应对，这都不是完全在你掌控之内的事，因为有时是他人身上发生的改变，以重要方式影响了你。
But sometimes when it's, like, something unexpected that's coming from somebody else in your life, you have to react to and and deal with that, however you're gonna deal with that, but that it's very much it's not something that's fully under your control because sometimes it's, like, changes that are coming about in other people that are then impacting you in significant ways.
嗯。
Mhmm.
所以
So
你提到过可能还有其他想说的关于这个的事吗？还是说这主要是你想讲的？
you said there might be something else that you want to mention with that, or is that I guess that's the main thing?
是的。
Yeah.
这基本上就是第五宫相关话题的主要内容了。
That's pretty much the main thing for, like, fifth house topics.
你知道，你也会看到天底在那里。
You know, you also see the IC there.
那时候我确实经历了一些家庭方面的事情，你知道的。
And I did have some, like, kinda, like, family things going on, you know, around that time.
但很遗憾，我不能多谈这个，你知道的。
But unfortunately, I can't really talk about it, you know.
但那有点像火星与天王星的性质，真的不是什么特别好的体验。
But it was kind of like of a Mars Uranus type of nature and not really, like, the best experience.
但我只是觉得值得提一下，虽然这和第五宫的话题关系不大。
But I just thought it's worth mentioning, but it's not really related too much to Fifth House things.
也许我明白了。
Maybe I see.
当然。
Sure.
没问题。
No problem.
是的。
Yeah.
有时候确实会这样，不是每个人都能深入探讨某些星象，即使有某些事情发生了，但这也没关系。
Sometimes that will be a thing as, like, not everybody will be able to go into certain transits even if there was something that manifests, but that's okay.
谢谢您提前告知我们，曾经也存在一些与天底相关的成分。
And thanks for giving us a heads up that there was something of a, like, IC component at one point as well.
嗯。
Mhmm.
不错。
Cool.
谢谢你的分享。
Well, thanks for sharing.
祝你一切顺利。
I good luck, know, with everything.
希望一切顺利。
I hope it works out.
我想你昨天告诉我，你可能很快就会开始尝试，所以随着这个相位即将结束，明年有可能就是你的机会。
And I think you you told me yesterday that you probably will start trying soon, so that's possible maybe sometime next year as this transit's, like, finishing up that that that could be your what's in store.
是吗？
Yeah?
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得很有可能会这样。
I think there's a good chance it will be.
好的。
Okay.
太好了。
Cool.
好吧。
Alright.
祝你成功成为父亲。
Well, good luck in, you know, becoming a father.
而且，是的，我很期待听到进展如何。
And, yeah, I look forward to hearing how it goes.
好吧。
Alright.
非常感谢你，克里斯。
Thanks a lot, Chris.
好的。
Alright.
保重。
Take care.
你也是。
You too.
再见。
Bye.
好的。
Alright.
太棒了。
That was great.
好的。
Alright.
那我们继续前进吧。
So let's keep moving on.
所以丽莎·佩奇，我觉得下一个该轮到你了。
So Lisa Page, I think yours is the next one that I was gonna do.
嘿。
Hey.
嘿。
Hey.
谢谢你加入我。
Thank you for joining me.
我的荣幸。
My pleasure.
谢谢你的邀请。
Thanks for having me.
好的。
Okay.
这是你的星盘。
So this is your birth chart.
所以你出生时天秤座上升，且是夜盘，金星位于水瓶座第五宫，土星位于双鱼座第六宫。
So you were born with Libra rising, and you have a night chart with Venus in Aquarius in the fifth house and Saturn in Pisces in the sixth house.
而且你有一个第八宫的案例，月亮和木星在金牛座合相，位于第八整宫宫位。
And you have an an eighth house example with natally or moon and Jupiter conjunct in Taurus in the eighth whole sign house.
所以告诉我发生了什么，这个星象对你来说意味着什么。
So tell me what happened and and what this transit was about for you.
是的。
Yeah.
所以这发生在我的第八宫。
So it was through my eighth house.
我当时经历了许多与死亡、遗产、礼物和共享资源相关的事情。
So I was dealing with a lot of death and and inheritance and gifts and shared resources.
2021年10月16日，我父亲突发心脏病去世。
On 10/16/2021, my dad died suddenly of a massive heart attack.
就在同一天，我的男朋友向我求婚了。
And on that same day, my boyfriend proposed marriage to me.
所以那天是个天翻地覆的铀日。
So on that day, it was a topsy-turvy uranium day.
所以
So
让我调出那天的行运图，这太疯狂了。
And let me pull up the transit chart for that because that's crazy.
那你男朋友是先求婚的吗？事情的先后顺序是怎样的？
So you're and did your boyfriend propose first, or what was the, like, sequence?
我父亲先去世的。
My dad died first.
好的。
Okay.
实际上，那周正好是我们相识十周年的日子，他本来计划好要向我求婚的。
It was actually our our ten year anniversary kind of week, and he had been planning on proposing.
然后我父亲去世了，他就不确定这时候求婚是不是合适了。
And then my dad died, and then he wasn't sure if that was the right thing to do.
但我跟他聊过这件事，他们说，哦，我只是觉得我爸爸只希望我开心。
But, know, you I was talking to him about it, and they said, oh, I just really feel like my dad just wants me to be happy.
于是他想，好吧。
And he thought, well, okay.
我不确定这是否是合适的时机，但我还是要这么做。
I'm not sure if this is the right time or not, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do this.
对。
Right.
所以。
So
事情就是这样发生的。
that's how it happened.
日期是什么来着？
What was the date again?
2021年10月16日。
10/16/2021.
二零二一年十月十六日。
Sixteenth twenty twenty one.
好的。
Okay.
这是图表。
So here's the chart.
所以，天王星位于金牛座13度。
So yeah, so Uranus is up there at 13 degrees of Taurus.
没错。
Exactly.
与第十二宫的本命金牛座形成三合相。
Trining that natal Taurus in the twelfth House.
对。
Right.
所以它与你本命的天王星（位于处女座13度）形成三合相，也离你本命的木星（位于金牛座17度）和月亮（位于18度）不远，同时与你位于水瓶座20度左右的太阳形成刑相？
So it's trining your natal Uranus at 13 degrees of Virgo, and it's not too far from your Jupiter at 17, Taurus, and your moon at 18, as well as squaring your sun at, like, 20 degrees of Aquarius?
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
但这次在两个方面都是一场突如其来的意外冲击。
So but this was a sudden unexpected shock in both ways.
两个方面。
Both ways.
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
所以这相当重大，而且这件事在这一过渡期的某个时刻发生了。
So that's pretty big, and that's happening a little bit into this transit.
然后我想，尤其是考虑到你父亲的情况，如果这是突如其来的，肯定伴随着一个哀悼过程，特别是因为事情发生得如此突然和意外？
And then you I'm sure there was, especially if it was unexpected with your father that there was, like, a a grieving process that was tied up with that, especially in terms of how how sudden and unexpected it was?
是的。
Yes.
他是我妈妈的照顾者，妈妈患有帕金森病，所以之后我们不得不紧急安排她的照护，弄清楚这一切该如何进行。
And he was the caretaker for my mom who had Parkinson's, so then it was a mad rush to figure out care for her and how that was all gonna work.
然后故事的第二部分是，她在次年，即2022年9月1日去世，那时天王星正好与月亮和木星成合相。
And then the second part of the story is that she died the next year on 09/01/2022, and that was when Uranus was exactly conjunct that moon Jupiter.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以2022年9月1日，我看到天王星位于金牛座18度。
So 09/01/2022, I see Uranus is at eighteen degrees of Taurus.
它实际上可能非常接近停滞，因为太阳几乎处于三合相，而南北交点也位于金牛座15度左右。
It's actually probably very close to stationing because the sun is almost TriNet, and the nodes are also at, like, 15 degrees of Taurus.
因此，这也与日食在两个星座之间开始发生时有关联。
So this is also tied in with the eclipse as it started to take place between those two signs.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
但她去世的时候，这件事是出乎意料的吗？
But was this unexpected when she passed away?
你知道，她可能在几个月内就会离世，但无论如何，总归还是有些意外的。
You know, it was probably gonna happen within a few months, but it's always, to some extent, unexpected.
没错。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
在一年左右的时间内失去双亲，基本上是这样。
To lose both parents within, like, a one year time frame, basically.
对。
Right.
对。
Right.
那一年是我的第十宫完美之年，而月亮掌管着我的第十宫巨蟹座。
That was a tenth house perfection year for me, and that moon rules my tenth house Cancer.
所以她去世后，我继承了一笔遗产，让我得以从做了三十年的物理治疗师的工作中退休。
So with her passing, I got an inheritance that allowed me to retire from my job that I had worked at for thirty years as a physical therapist.
哇。
Wow.
所以你从事的，嗯，这很有趣，月亮掌管第十宫，又在金牛座得势，同时落在第八宫，而你又是一名物理治疗师，照顾和帮助他人。
So you spent I mean, that's an interesting, like, Moon ruling the tenth house exalted in Taurus in the eighth thing to begin with, that you were a physical therapist that, like, took care of and, like, helped other people.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
然后是第六宫的土星。
And then that sixth house Saturn.
而且我当时正好处于土星回归期。
And then I was right in the middle of the Saturn return as well.
所以，好吧。
So Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
或者不是。
Or no.
实际上，可能还没到。
Actually, maybe not yet.
抱歉。
Sorry.
你是，是的。
You're yeah.
你正准备，我的意思是，土星已经很接近了，而且它即将在第二年年初进入双鱼座。
You're getting ready to I mean, Saturn was already pretty close, and it was getting ready to go into Pisces early the following year.
所以你继承了一笔遗产，这让你在那时，大约多大年纪时退休了？
So you got an inheritance, and that allowed you to retire at that time at at the age of what?
你当时多大年纪？
How old were you?
58岁。
58.
好的。
Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以这也是一个重要的第八宫因素。
So that was also that's also a major eighth house component.
它不仅关乎死亡和与死亡相关的话题，还涉及继承以及他人的金钱或他人的资源？
It's not just death and topics pertaining to mortality, but also inheritance and other people's money or the resources of other people?
对。
Right.
对。
Right.
然后2024年结婚，你们的共同资源就会发生变化。
And then getting married in 2024 and, you know, shared resources kind of change.
而且
And
好的。
Okay.
你说得对。
You're right.
好的。
Okay.
所以你两年后结婚了，这是否也意味着你和伴侣的财务开始合并了？
So you then you got married two years later, and that was also a shift in terms of merging your finances with your partner?
对。
Right.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以回顾一下，我想你会说，这三大主题分别是：与死亡相关的事情、与继承相关的事情，还有因为你的第十宫主宰星发挥作用，你的事业也出现了突然且意外的转变。
So looking back on it, I guess you would say that those were the three themes was those things pertaining to mortality, obviously, things related to inheritance, but also because the ruler of your tenth house came into play, it was also a sudden and unexpected shift in terms of your career.
我的意思是，如果没发生那件事，你本来会在什么时候退休？
I mean, how when would you have retired if that hadn't happened?
那是不是还会再过好几年才退休？
Would it would it still have been a number of years into the future?
是的。
Yeah.
我可能还会再工作五到七年。
I probably would have worked five to seven more years.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以这也是一个很好的例子，说明天王星的运行有时会突然或意外地改变我们生活中其他方面的事情，尤其是当天王星所经过的宫位中，有非常重要的一颗宫主星时。
So that's also a good example then just in terms of how the Uranus transit can sometimes suddenly or unexpectedly change things with respect to other areas in our life based on the houses that the planet rules, especially if there's a really important house ruler that's in the house that Uranus is transiting.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我认为，那颗在金牛座第八宫的旺相月亮与木星，确实蕴含着某种命盘中的潜能，最终实现了。
And I think there's some natal promise with that exalted moon Jupiter in Taurus in the eighth that, you know, came to pass.
是的。
Yeah.
绝对如此。
Absolutely.
我的意思是，当人们拥有这样的星盘配置时，有时会比较棘手，因为可能还存在其他心理层面或更隐晦的第八宫指示，会在生命的不同阶段显现出来。
I mean, that's that's sometimes tricky when, you know, people have placements like that because there can be other psychological or other more obscure indications of, like, the eighth house that can be relevant and manifest at different points in the life.
但有时，也会出现非常直接的显化。
But then also sometimes there can be these very literal manifestations sometimes as well.
而这已经是最直接、最明确的显化方式了。
And that's pretty much as as literal and straightforward as you can get.
这就是为什么，尽管有些人——尤其是在社交媒体或流行占星中——对第八宫涉及死亡、第六宫涉及疾病这类象征感到不安，但这些其实都是我们生命中非常重要、关键的领域，每个人在某个时刻都会以某种方式经历。
And that's, you know, one of the reasons why even though sometimes people, especially in, like, social media or, like, pop astrology, get nervous about having significations like death in the eighth house or, like, illness in the sixth house or other things like that, you know, sometimes these are very important crucial areas of our life that we all experience at some point in one way or another.
所以我们必须知道在星盘中去哪里看这一点，以及如何表达它。
And so we have to be able to know where to look at in the chart for that and how to articulate it.
有时候，这种表达在某些情况下可能相当直接。
And sometimes the articulation can be, in some instances, pretty pretty straightforward.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Alright.
现在你即将结束这次行运，你是如何理解这一切的？你是否觉得自己正进入人生的全新阶段，或者在距离这段经历几年之后，你感受到某种终结？
Now that you're towards the end of the transit, how are you processing everything, or do you feel like you're moving into a new phase of life or that there's some sense of closure now that you've gotten a few years away from it?
或者从回顾的角度来看，你现在处于什么状态？
Or where are you at now in retrospect?
我对天王星进入我的第九宫感到兴奋。
I'm excited for Uranus in my ninth.
我觉得这对我来说是个很好的归属位置。
I think that seems like a a good place for it to be for me.
更多地投入到占星学研究中。
Getting more into astrological studies.
我退休后开始写书，上周刚刚出版了一部小说。
When I retired, I started writing books, and I just published a novel this past week.
所以，是的，出版了这种第九宫相关的东西，我也对此感到兴奋。
And so, yeah, so publishing that ninth house kind of thing and, yeah, I'm excited for it.
好的。
Okay.
所以，父母的离世以及继承的财产让你提前退休，恰逢天王星与你第十宫主宰星合相，这突然给了你自由去追求写作，去实现你一直想从事的另一份事业？
So that so the loss of your parents and the inheritance which allowed you to retire early suddenly when Uranus was conjoining your tenth house ruler also suddenly gave you the the freedom to pursue writing and to pursue another career that you've always wanted to pursue?
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
这真的很重要。
That's really important.
那么，这是另一个关键点。
So that's another crucial piece then.
而这实际上引入了自由这一层面，即尽管你经历了突然、令人震惊且困难的事件——失去了两位亲近的人，但与此同时，这些事件的一个副作用是你也感受到了一种突如其来的解脱与自由，能够去追求你一直想从事的职业，或者至少这是那次天象带来的结果之一，虽然你在经历这些时可能没有意识到，但不久之后你确实开始意识到，这些机会突然向你敞开了？
And and that actually brings in the freedom piece, which is just that even though as you experienced sudden shocking unexpected things of a difficult nature in terms of of losing two people that were close to you, A side effect of that is you also experienced a sudden feeling of liberation and freedom to pursue a career that you've always wanted to pursue at the same time, or at least that was one of the outcomes of that exact transit that maybe you weren't thinking about as you were in the middle of it, but then not too long after that, it you did start to realize was suddenly available to you?
是的。
Yes.
我喜欢这一点。
I like that.
很好。
Nice.
好的。
Okay.
太棒了。
Cool.
你的书叫什么名字？
What's the title of your book?
它叫《拯救棉木》。
It's called Saving Cottonwood.
《拯救棉木》？
Saving Cottonwood?
好的。
Okay.
人们在哪里可以买到它？
Where can people find it?
你有网站吗？
Do have a website?
在亚马逊上可以买到。
It's on Amazon.
太棒了。
Awesome.
能给我一个非常简短的介绍吗？
What give me a very quick, like, blurb.
这本书是讲什么的？
What's what is it about?
讲的是一群人团结起来拯救一片森林的故事，里面有很多魔幻现实主义元素，还有会说话的乌鸦、浆果等等
It's about some people that band together to save a forest, and it's got a lot of magical realism in it and talking crows and berries and
是的
yeah.
酷
Cool.
听起来像是我会喜欢的书
That sounds like that sounds like my kind of book.
我会去看看的
Well, I'll check it out.
谢谢你们分享这个故事
And, yeah, thank you for for sharing this this story with with us.
我很感激。
I appreciate it.
非常感谢你。
Oh, thank you so much.
是的。
Yeah.
感谢你所做的一切。
Thank you for everything you do.
谢谢。
Thank you.
好的。
Alright.
保重。
Take care.
嗯。
Mhmm.
谢谢。
Thanks.
好的。
Alright.
这个例子在很多方面都很出色，我认为我们可以从中学习到很多东西。
That was a great example in a number of different ways, and I think there's a lot that we can we can learn from that.
对。
Right.
好吧。
Okay.
所以现在我想起了一些提交上来的内容。
So now I'm remembering some of these that were submitted.
所以克里斯，他有第七宫的行运，我想接下来讲这个。
So Chris, who had the 7th House transit, I think I'd like to do that one next.
嘿。
Hey.
我觉得还是静音状态。
I think it's muted still.
好了。
There we go.
喂？
Hello?
嗨。
Hi.
嘿。
Hey.
谢谢您邀请我。
Thanks for having me.
是的。
Yeah.
感谢您加入我们。
Thank you for joining me.
我很感激。
I appreciate it.
当然。
Absolutely.
好的。
Alright.
所以，关于你之前给我的数据，你有两个天蝎座上升。
So you you first with your data, which you already gave me, you have two Scorpio rising.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
That's correct.
好的。
Okay.
你有一个第七宫星象过渡的故事要分享吗？
And you have a seventh house transit story to share?
是的。
Yes.
挺有趣的。
Pretty interesting one,
我觉得是。
I think.
好的。
Alright.
好吧，让我把你的时间轴……让我把你的星盘调出来。
Well, let me put your tran let me put your chart up.
这是你的出生星盘。
So here's your birth chart.
你出生时是天蝎座上升，上升度数为两度天蝎座。
So you were born with Scorpio rising, two degrees Scorpio rising.
你的第七宫是金牛座，无论是整宫制还是 quadrant 宫位制都是如此。
Taurus is your seventh, both essentially whole sign house and quadrant house.
你的中天位于狮子座五度，而你的天王星位于天蝎座29度59分。
And you have your midheaven at five degrees of Leo and your Uranus at 29 to 59 degrees of Scorpio.
所以它正好位于天蝎座的最后一个度分，但仍处于你的第一宫。
So it's at the very last degree and minute of Scorpio, but still in your first house.
但这也意味着，你第七宫的天王星相位几乎同时伴随着天王星的对冲，从星座层面一直延伸到精确度数的对冲。
But that also means that part of your seventh house Uranus transit essentially was your Uranus opposition at the same time by sign building all the way up to the exact opposition by degree.
所以让我们从头开始，告诉我事情进展如何。
So let's start from the beginning and tell me how it went.
嗯，你知道，这一直挺有意思的。
Well, you know, it's been interesting.
我确实是个新手，但这个过程让我受益匪浅。
I'm I'm definitely a novice, but this exercise has been enlightening.
因此，为了准备这次讨论，我回溯到了2018年的入宫时刻，注意到那时已经有一些非常有趣的预示。
So, even, in preparation for the discussion, went back to the 2018 ingress, noticed some really interesting foreshadowing during that time.
当时我和伴侣之间有些分歧，也预示着职业上的变化，因此我意识到那里可能存在角点的影响。
So, some disagreements, I think, with my partner of the at the time, some foreshadowing around career changes, so recognizing the angular influence there potentially.
占星术无疑是一个主题。
Astrology was certainly a theme.
那是我第一次真正开始学习占星术，时间大约在2018年5月。
It was the first time I really started, to study at the beginning, in that May 2018 time frame.
我当时正打算通过这次星象过渡要个孩子，这在2018年期间显现出来，同时还预示了旅行和搬家。
I was, looking to have a child, through the the transit so that that showed itself during that 2018 period and then some travel and relo foreshadowing.
所以，这一切都发生在2018年第一次天王星入宫期间。
So that was a whole just during that that first ingress in 2018.
是的。
Yeah.
因为你上升点在天秤座零度，而下降点在金牛座二度，一旦天王星进入金牛座，它立刻就冲击到你最重要的星盘角度，所以我们预期事情会很快发生。
Because because you have the degree of the ascendant at zero Scorpio and you have the degree of the descendant at two Taurus, as soon as Taurus as soon as Uranus ingress ingresses, it's hitting to your most important angles right away, so we would expect things to start happening pretty early on.
所以，让我们先铺垫一下背景。
So, so let's set the stage.
2018年伊始，你已经处于一段关系中了吗？
So 2018 opens, and you're already in a relationship?
说得完全正确。
That's exactly right.
谢谢。
Thank you.
到那时，我已经进入了一段稳定的婚姻生活五年了。
So about five years at that point, into a a committed marriage.
好的。
Okay.
所以你实际上是结婚了。
So you're actually married.
你们是什么时候结婚的？
When did you get married?
我们是在2014年结婚的。
We got married in 2014.
2014年。
2014.
2014年。
2014.
好的。
Okay.
所以是2014年。
So 2014.
所以你们已经结婚四年了。
So you've been married for, like, four years.
然后我们进入2018年，2018年5月天王星进入金牛座，开始为期七年或八年的运行，穿越你第七宫的伴侣与关系领域。
And then we move into 2018, and, Uranus moves into Taurus in May 2018 and begins a seven year or eight year transit of Uranus through your seventh house of relationships and partnership.
所以从2018年往后，给我们讲讲事情是怎么发展的。
So from 2018 forward, walk us through how it went.
是的。
Yeah.
当我们进入2019年时，我的伴侣做出了一个决定，要在这一时期进行医学性别过渡。
So, as we move into 2019, my partner kind of makes the decision that they're going to medically transition, during this time frame.
这对我来说是一个巨大的震撼。
And, you know, it's a big revelation for me.
我们俩都是酷儿，但这并不是我预料到的。
We're both queer, but that wasn't necessarily something I was expecting.
再说，这里一个重要因素是天秤上升。
Again, I think an important component here is that there are Taurus rising.
你知道，这一切都发生在他们的第一宫，而2019年确实可以说是这段关系的终点开端。
You know, this is all moving through their first house, And, was 2019 was really, I think, the beginning of the end.
最终，那年八月发生了破裂，与这次转变密切相关。
Ultimately, there was a rupture in August of that year and kind of associated with that transition.
而且
And
我明白了。
So got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以他们想要转变，这正是他们的天王星经过第一宫的过渡，而你则经历的是第七宫的过渡，这很合理。
So they wanted to transition, and that was their Uranus through the first house transit, and then you're experiencing this as a seventh house transit, which makes sense.
但你们后来还在一起了吗？你们还维持了一段时间吗？
But you stayed together did you stay together for a while?
因为那是2019年。
Because it's 2019.
对吧？
Right?
所以你们并没有，是吧。
So you do not Yeah.
但你实际上对这段关系是开放的，或者至少这段关系并没有立刻结束之类的？
But you, so you're actually open to it or at least you didn't the the relationship didn't, like, end immediately or something like that?
说得完全正确。
That's exactly right.
是的。
Yeah.
进入2020年，2020年5月，乔治·弗洛伊德被杀事件，也在我们的关系中引发了巨大反响。
So, moving into 2020, May 2020, we had, the murder of George Floyd, which really also, surfaced in our relationship.
这是一段跨种族的关系，因此种族议题变得尤为突出。
It was an interracial relationship, and so the topic of race became really prominent.
最终，他们在那年的11月进行了手术。
And, ultimately, they wound up having their surgery that year later in November.
好的。
Okay.
所以，为了回溯一下，他们基本上公开了自己的跨性别身份，并表示希望进行性别转换，这对你来说其实很意外，但你依然深爱着他们，维持着这段承诺的关系。
So and just to back up, so they basically came out as as trans and said that they wanted to go to transition, and you actually you like, it wasn't it was something that was surprising to you, but you were still in a in loved them as a committed relationship.
所以，这段关系并没有因此而结束，而是你逐渐适应并接受了这一变化。
So it wasn't something where your relationship ended as a result of that, but you came to, like, adapt to it and and and to be okay with it.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
That's right.
当然。
Absolutely.
这确实是我们两人都在学习的过程。
It was certainly a learning, I think, for for both of us.
对吧？
Right?
因为我在反思当时这对我的酷儿身份意味着什么。
Because I was reflecting on what that meant for my queer identity at the time.
因此，与他们过渡的这一方面相关的学习内容很多。
And so there was there was a lot of learning associated with that aspect of their transition.
对。
Right.
因为到那时为止，你一直处在一段女同性恋关系中，并这样定义自己，但情况现在不再如此了。
Because up up to that point, you had been in a, like, a lesbian relationship and conceptualized yourself that way, but now that wasn't necessarily the case.
所以你不得不去适应这意味什么，以及它是什么样的？
So then you had to adapt to, like, what that meant and what that was like?
说得完全对。
That's exactly right.
好的。
Okay.
这很有道理。
That makes a lot of sense.
嗯，好的。
And okay.
所以这对你来说是一个过程，而且还在持续中。
So that's part of a process for you, and that's ongoing.
然后还会有一些其他事情，比如社交方面的变化，还有关系中突然出现的其他动态吗？
And then there's other things that come up just in terms of social things that are happening, but also other dynamics that come up in the relationship as well that that sort of come out of nowhere?
是的。
Yeah.
说得完全对。
That's exactly right.
到2021年的时候，我们决定从西雅图搬到亚特兰大，横跨整个美国，这个决定一做出，我们就在两个月内完成了搬迁。
So by the time we get into 2021, we decided to to relocate, move from Seattle to Atlanta cross country just about, and we just made that decision and relocated within a two month time frame.
所以这几乎就是在他们做完胸部手术后的立即发生的事。
So it was pretty much immediately after their, top surgery in November.
我们在2020年12月做出了这个决定，到了2021年1月，我们就已经住在亚特兰大了。
We then made the decision, in December that's '20 late twenty twenty, and we're in Atlanta by, January 2021.
到2021年1月。
By January 2021.
好的。
Okay.
所以这个话题一再出现，但我一直听到关于土星和天王星之间相位的问题，就像我们第一个例子中看到的，发生在第四宫和第一宫之间。
So this is all this keeps coming up over and over again, but a lot of this, I keep hearing about, like, the, the square between Saturn and Uranus, like we saw in the first example that was in, the fourth and first.
但在这里，土星正在经过你的第四宫，并与你第七宫的天王星形成刑相位。
But here, we have, the Saturn is transiting to your fourth, and it's squaring your Uranus in the seventh.
所以你在一个很短的时间内迅速搬了家。
So you relocate, like, pretty quickly over a pretty short period of time.
是的。
Yes.
完全正确。
That's exactly right.
出乎意料。
Unexpected.
完全没料到。
Wasn't on the radar at all.
当我的伴侣也同意，觉得搬过去对他们来说也是好事时，我就立刻说：我们走吧。
And when as soon as, my partner agreed that, you know, they thought that it would be good for them as well to make the move, we I I said, let's go.
你知道的，我行动了。
You know, I made it.
在他们改变主意之前，我对我们的居住地其实并不满意。
Before they changed their mind, I wasn't really happy where we were.
所以，我只是在等他们给我们点头同意。
And so, but was just really kind of waiting for them to give us the green light.
所以是你推动了这次搬迁吗？
So you were the one that motivated the the the move?
我觉得是我自己想搬，我可能对生活现状感到不满，觉得搬家或许能改变这一切。
I think I was I wanted to, I I think I was unhappy where where things were probably with life in general and thinking that a relocation might might change that.
当时我并没有特别想去某个具体的地方。
And, you know, when we there was not a specific location that was on my mind.
只是我觉得自己待的地方并不合适。
It was just where I was wasn't feeling like the right spot.
于是他们最终建议：要不就这里吧？
And so they ultimately said, how about here?
而且，这确实和种族关系有关。
And, again, that that does tie into the race relations.
他们当时其实想搬到亚特兰大，以便更靠近黑人社群，觉得在那里能有更多的家人、朋友和社区支持。
They actually wanted to move to Atlanta to be closer to the black community at the time and felt that they'd actually have more family and and friends and community here.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
所以你之前提到的2020年，是在乔治·弗洛伊德被杀和黑人的命也是命抗议活动之后，种族因素对你的伴侣——一位黑人——变得更为重要，而你们作为跨种族伴侣的关系动态也在不同方面变得更加突出，是这样吗？
So that was what you were bringing up about 2020 is after the murder of George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter protests that the element of race became much more important to your partner who was who is black or who is black and the dynamic of you being in a in a relationship in an interracial relationship became more prominent in different ways?
完全正确。
That's exactly right.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
明白了。
Got it.
所以，确实有很多事情浮现出来。
So, yeah, so there's just a lot of stuff coming up.
然后你们在2021年搬了家，之后发生了什么？
And then you move in 2021, and then what happens after that?
是的。
Yeah.
就在那之后不久，大概搬过去六个月内，我们决定开放这段关系。
So shortly after that, within maybe six months of the move, we decided to open our relationship up.
所以我们开放了关系。
So we opened it up.
在此之前我们一直是专一的，但觉得这可能是让我们双方获得关系中缺失的某些方面的一种方式。
We had been monogamous up to that point and, decided that this might be a way for, you know, both of us to get different aspects that were missing from the relationship.
但这对我们来说是一个全新的概念，因此我们需要学习和适应这段经历，这确实是个很大的挑战。
But this was a new concept to us, so certainly a big learning, for us to to navigate and and and go through that.
这是什么时候开始的？
And when did this begin?
这始于2021年7月。
That began about July 2021.
到了9月，我当时的伴侣说，他们可能再也不会与白人发生性关系了。
And, September, there was a moment when my partner at the time said they they they thought they might never be in a sexual relationship with a white person again.
所以这又是一次关于种族的顿悟，你知道，这对我们的关系意味着什么？这种开放的关系最终持续了整个2022年。
So that was another kind of revelation around race and, you know, what does that mean for our relation relationship and ultimately lasted, for all of 2022, this open partnership.
明白了。
Got it.
好的。
Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
这在某种程度上说得通，因为他们正经历着天王星的首次进入，正在经历一场彻底的转变，试图找到最真实地表达自我的方式——没错。
So and and that just that makes sense in terms of it's like they're having a first house Uranus transit and are going through this radical transformation in terms of wanting to find what is most authentic to them That's right.
在他们整个旅程的多个层面上都是如此。
In their sort of entire journey in many different levels with that.
而你正经历着第七宫天王星的过渡，你正与一个正在经历重大天王星过渡、身份转变的人建立伴侣关系，而这正在影响你们的承诺关系。
And then you're going through this seventh House Uranus transit, and you're experiencing being in a in a partnership with somebody that's going through a major Uranus transit and, like, transformation of their identity and how that's impacting your committed partnership.
所以能同时看到这两方面真的很有趣。
So it's really interesting seeing both sides of that.
顺便提一下，这正是为什么有时候这种情况相当重要——你经常会遇到一方的上升星座与另一方的上升星座正好相反，这样当其中一方经历上升星座或第七宫的行运时，双方都会受到影响，你可以在彼此的星盘和生活中看到这种相互映射。
And just as a side note, that's why it's kind of important sometimes, which you see pretty frequently where you'll have one partner have one rising sign and the other have the opposite rising sign because then they both get impacted in this way when one of them starts having transits through the rising sign or through the seventh house, and you can kind of see it reflected in each other's charts and lives.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
好的。
Alright.
所以，好吧。
So okay.
所以你们在2021年开启了这段关系，之后事情发展得怎么样？
So you opened the relationship in 2021, and where did things go eventually from there?
是的。
Yeah.
另外，2022年我换了一份新工作，我觉得这一点很重要，需要提一下。
So, also, in 2022, I I got a a new job, which I think is important to mention.
我们俩都继续频繁地约会。
Continued dating quite a bit, both of us.
我当时正在接受试管婴儿治疗，于是我决定：嘿。
I was on an IVF treatment, so I actually decided, hey.
如果我要当父母的话。
I'm if I'm gonna parent.
那我就独自走完这段旅程。
I'll I'll go down this journey on my own.
所以这占据了2022年的大部分时间。
So that really took up the most of twenty twenty two.
到了2023年5月，我的伴侣提出了离婚。
And then by May 2023, my partner asked for a divorce.
好的。
Okay.
所以是2023年5月。
So May 2023.
所以你当时正在尝试怀孕生孩子，然后2023年5月，你的伴侣提出了离婚，我只是在确认一下。
So you you were trying to conceive and have a child, and then May 2023, your partner asked for a divorce, and this is I'm just looking.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Right.
好的。
Okay.
所以日食发生在金牛座之类的区域。
So the eclipse is in, like, Taurus and stuff.
你实际上正接近金牛座这一系列日食的尾声，但此时不仅仅是天王星经过你的第七宫，还有日食发生在你的第七宫和第一宫之间。
You're actually getting towards the end of that eclipse series in Taurus, but so this is not just Uranus going through your seventh house at this point, but it's also eclipses taking place between your seventh and your first house.
对于这些，我一贯的关键词是重大结束和重大开始。
And my keyword for those is always major endings and major beginnings.
所以这些事情其实已经积累很久了，最终在那时爆发，他们提出了离婚？
And so this was sort of things that have been building up for quite a while at that point eventually culminate, and they they ask for a divorce?
没错。
That's right.
是的。
Yeah.
完全正确。
That's exactly right.
这说得通。
That makes sense.
那是在2023年5月。
And that's in May 2023.
我们来看看。
Let's see.
所以这就是那个日食。
The so that's the that's the eclipse.
那这件事是什么时候发生的？
And then when did that happen?
那个分居是立即发生的吗？还是什么时候正式确定的？
Was that separation immediate, or when was that finalized?
他们最终在那年的八月搬了出去，因此除了 paperwork 之外，基本上那时就已经确定了。
So they ultimately moved out by August, of that of that, year, and so pretty pretty much finalized then, outside of paperwork.
另外还有一个有趣的情况，我认为是：2023年9月，我在本州以外的一个会议上，意外结识了一位全新的伴侣，从那时起我们就一直维持着认真的关系。
And then one other interesting piece here, I think, is that unexpectedly in September 2023, at a conference out of my state, I met a completely new partner who I've been in a committed relationship with since then.
所以，是在一个意想不到的地方开始了新的感情关系。
So new partnership in an unexpected location.
我们甚至不住在一个国家。
We don't even live in the same country.
她在加拿大。
She's in Canada.
真不错。
Nice.
这其实挺有趣的，因为到这个时候，木星正好运行到你的第七宫，我觉得这很有意思，因为第七宫正好代表离婚。
So this was the that's actually really funny because Jupiter, of course, by this point is transiting your seventh house, which I thought was kind of interesting because that was the divorce.
但这不仅仅是离婚。
But it's not just the divorce.
更重要的是，那一年你同时开启了一段新的重要关系。
It's also that you started a new significant relationship at that time in that year.
然后那个夏天，就是《芭比》电影上映的夏天，金星在狮子座逆行，并与金牛座的木星形成刑相位。
And then that summer, that was the, like, Barbie movie summer when Venus went retrograde in Leo and was squaring Jupiter in Taurus.
你说你是在一次会议上遇到她的？
So you said you met her at a conference?
没错，正是这样。
That's exactly right.
是的。
Yeah.
是一场酷儿会议，但我们俩的工作都派我们去了那里。
A queer conference, but but our works both of our works sent us there.
我太喜欢了。
I love that.
所以那年夏天，金星逆行正好发生在你的第十宫，对吧？
So that was the the Venus retrograde in your in your tenth house happening at the same time, essentially, that that summer?
是的。
Yeah.
真美。
Beautiful.
好吧。
So okay.
那你从那以后就一直和她在一起吗？
So and then you've been in that relationship ever since?
是的。
I have.
最后一点，我的天王星对分发生在7月4日。
And just the final note here is, my exact, Uranus opposition, on July 4.
嗯，当金星在7月4日与之合相时，我们确实发生了一场相当大的意外争吵。
Well, when, yeah, Venus was conjunct July 4, we actually got in a pretty big unexpected fight.
我真的很担心。
I was really worried.
这场争吵持续了好几天。
It lasted several days.
所以，我们确实在修复关系。
So, definitely, we are repairing.
我们现在很好。
We're we're good.
但我知道，这无疑预示着今年晚些时候金星再次回到金牛座时的那次相位。
But it was I'm you know, certainly could be foreshadowing for the next that that, transit back into, Taurus later in the year.
当然。
Sure.
对。
Yeah.
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