第2354集 - 民主党混乱行动：明尼阿波利斯在另一起ICE枪击事件后爆发

停止阻挠ICE执行其职责。

Stop blocking ICE from doing its job.

停止抗拒逮捕。

Stop resisting arrest.

如果你携带枪支并抗拒逮捕，警察将更有可能将你视为具有身体暴力威胁。

If you do resist arrest while you have a gun on you, there's a much higher likelihood that the police are going to perceive you as a threat of physical violence.

这与普通抗议者携带枪支的情况不同，我们稍后会谈到。

And that's not a question of a normal protester carrying a gun, as we'll get to in a bit.

关键在于：在妨碍联邦执法行动的同时携带枪支并抗拒逮捕。

That is a question of don't resist arrest while obstructing a federal law enforcement operation while carrying a gun.

把这些因素综合起来，你的风险将比原本高得多。

Put all those things together, that and is going to make your risk significantly higher than it otherwise would be.

稍等一下，我们马上继续深入这个话题。

Get some more on this in just one second.

首先，对我来说，睡眠非常重要，因为如果我的大脑无法正常运作——这正是我睡眠不足时发生的情况——节目质量就会大打折扣。

First, you know, for me, sleep is really, really important because if my brain is not working properly, and that's what happens when I don't sleep, well, the show just isn't as good.

我不是为了家人而在这里。

I'm not there for my family.

这正是我多年来依赖Helix Sleep的原因。

Well, that's why I rely on Helix Sleep, and I have for years.

找到合适的床垫不必那么复杂。

Finding the right mattress doesn't have to be complicated.

我们的赞助商Helix通过他们的睡眠测试让这一切变得非常简单，该测试会根据你的具体偏好和睡眠需求为你匹配最合适的床垫。

Our sponsor Helix actually makes it super straightforward with their sleep quiz, which matches you to the perfect mattress based on your specific preferences and sleep needs.

他们也不是普通的床垫公司。

They're not just another mattress company either.

Helix是目前获奖最多的床垫品牌，获得了《福布斯》和《连线》等主流媒体的好评。

Helix is the most awarded mattress brand out there with glowing reviews from major publications like Forbes and Wired.

朋友们，这可不是单纯的营销噱头。

Folks, it's not just marketing hype.

他们进行的一项研究发现，82%的参与者在使用Helix床垫后，深度睡眠周期明显增加，考虑到优质睡眠对生活中其他一切的重要性，这确实非常令人印象深刻。

A study they conducted found that eighty two percent of participants actually saw an increase in their deep sleep cycle while sleeping on a Helix mattress, which which is pretty impressive when you think about how crucial quality sleep is for everything else in life.

现在，Helix Sleep 意味着我再次获得了更好的睡眠。

Now Helix Sleep means that, again, I'm getting better sleep.

我得到了一款既坚实又透气的床垫。

I got that firm but breathable mattress.

这正是我需要的。

That's what I need.

我也给孩子们买了几款。

Got some for my kids.

它们太棒了。

They're fantastic.

他们还提供免费送货上门服务，并有 120 天的试睡期，让你在家亲自体验。

They even offer free shipping straight to your door, one hundred twenty night sleep trial so you can actually test it out in your own home.

他们还提供有限终身保修来保障所有产品。

They back everything up with that limited lifetime warranty.

今天就订购一张 Helix 床垫，今晚就开始睡个好觉。

Start sleeping right tonight by ordering a Helix mattress today.

前往 helixsleep.com/ben。

Head on over to helixsleep.com/ben.

全站享受8折优惠。

Get 20% off-site wide.

访问 helixsleep.com/ben，享受8折优惠。

That's helixsleep.com/ben for 20% off-site wide.

结账后请务必输入我们的节目名称，以便他们知道是我们推荐的。

Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you.

访问 helixsleep.com/ben。

That's helixsleep.com/ben.

由亚马逊米高梅工作室出品，《梅兰妮亚》。

From Amazon MGM Studios comes Melania.

每一个流程、每一个预防措施、每一个行动都经过协调。

Every protocol, every precaution, every move coordinated.

这部新片通过第一夫人的视角，带您深入2025年总统就职典礼前的二十天。

This new film takes you inside the twenty days leading up to the twenty twenty five presidential inauguration through the eyes of the first lady herself.

简报、规划、私下的对话。

The briefings, the planning, the private conversations.

见证她重返世界最具权势职位之一所付出的一切，《梅兰妮亚》将于1月30日仅在影院上映。

Witness what it takes to secure her return to one of the world's most powerful roles, Melania, only in theaters January 30.

而那些抗议者则聚集在一起，谈论他们如何想要关闭移民与海关执法局，这当然是他们的目标。

And, well, the protesters then gathered to talk about how they want to shut ICE down, which, of course, is their goal.

我让每个城市、每个城镇都停摆。

I shut it down every city, every town.

我让每个城市都停摆，我让每个城市、每个城镇都停摆。

I shut it down every city, I shut it down every city, every town.

好的。

Okay.

顺便说一句，明尼阿波利斯的这些抗议者之间正在通过Signal进行公开协调。

There's open coordination, by the way, happening via signal in Minneapolis between all of these protesters.

当我们说‘抗议者’时，通常指的是那些真正阻止执法部门履行职责的人。

And when say protesters, often, we mean people who are legitimately stopping law enforcement from doing their jobs.

根据卡姆·希格比对这一切的报道，这些聊天群中一共有754名成员。

According to Cam Higbee reporting on all of this, there are 754 members in one of these chats.

每天中午时分的容量大约为一千人。

The capacity is about a thousand each day at midday.

新成员会轮换进入接班。

New people cycle in for their shift.

明尼苏达州的不同区域有不同的聊天群组。

There are a bunch of different chats for different zones of Minnesota.

他们协调行动地点和方式，以阻碍执法运作。

They coordinate on where to go, how to obstruct operations.

他们设有所谓的巡逻区域，以确保每次移民与海关执法局前来执行逮捕时，都有人在场。

They they have what they call patrol zones in order to ensure that there are people there every time ICE shows up to effectuate some sort of arrest.

抗议者们还在自行协调调度呼叫。

Protesters are coordinating on their own dispatch calls, by the way.

这就是他们正在做的事情。

That is the thing they're doing.

他们上线后，一旦发现车辆就会通知其他人，同时还在持续进行记录。

They they go online, and they tell people when they discover a vehicle, and then they have documentation, right, going on.

这些记录显然不是为了某种起诉目的。

The documentation is is not obviously for some sort of prosecution.

这些记录经常实时进行，目的是让抗议者迅速赶到ICE行动的地点，从而在许多情况下导致违法者妨碍执法。

The documentation is happening very often in real time in order to get protesters to the place where ICE is doing the thing, in order to get, in many cases, lawbreakers obstructing law enforcement.

再次感谢卡姆·希格比在那里做的出色报道。

Again, Cam Higbee doing some excellent reporting over there.

参与此事的一些人包括明尼苏达州众议员亚历克斯·法尔康纳，他正在协调Signal群组。

Some of the people who've been participating in this include, for example, Minnesota state representative Alex Falconer, who's coordinating signal groups.

这位州议员竟然参与了这种协调工作。

Here here is this state legislator involved in coordinating this.

我们有几个在Signal应用上的群组，非常希望你能加入。

We got a couple groups, on the the the app signal, that we would love for you to join.

无论你是否愿意加入抵抗网络，我完全理解你可能对此感到不适，但你可以通过多种方式帮助我们：比如当你看到可疑车辆、异常交通，或得知有人被针对、被拘留时，发送警报。我们有即时可用的资源，可以提供给你、发送给他们的家人，帮助他们获得法律援助，或在需要时为家庭提供食物支持。

Whether or not you want to be a part of the resistance network, I fully understand that you may not be comfortable with that, but you can help us in a lot of ways by, sending an alert that if you see any suspicious vehicles, any traffic, if you know of anybody that is being targeted, that's being detained, we have resources immediately available, that we can, send to you, send to their family, get them legal help, help the families if they need food.

如果人们害怕出门去买食物或去食品发放点，我们可以帮忙送杂货。

If people are afraid to leave their homes to get to get food or working with the food shelves to try to figure out a way to deliver groceries.

我知道昨天公寓楼需要清理停车场，人们在移动车辆时被带走。

I know yesterday apartment complexes needed their parking lots plowed and people were being taken as they were moving their cars.

我们可以帮您挪车。

We can move your car for you.

请随时告诉我们任何小事或大事。

Just please let anything small, large.

我们在这里支持您，会与您站在一起。

We are here for you and we will stand with you.

我们会为您发声。

We'll stand for you.

好的。

Okay.

这些州议员现在正主动协助这一切，而他们协助的不仅仅是抗议活动。

These are the state legislators who are going out of their way now to facilitate all of this, and they're not just facilitating protests.

让我们说清楚。

Let's be clear.

如果你知道这些抗议者正在妨碍联邦执法行动，如果你知道这种情况正在发生，那么鼓励这种行为是不对的。

If you know that these protesters are getting involved in the obstruction of federal law enforcement efforts, If you know that's happening, then encouraging that is not a good thing to do.

我们知道，针对各种ICE官员的暴力事件确实发生过。

And we know that there's been violence, obviously, against a wide variety of ICE officers.

我们谈过ICE官员遭枪击或车辆故意撞击的事件。

We've talked about the shooting of ICE officers or the attempted ramming of ICE officers.

我们还提到，事实上，上周六下午，国土安全部发布了一张照片，显示一名ICE官员手指被截断的血淋淋的断口。

We've talked about the fact that, actually, on Saturday afternoon, there's a picture released by DHS showing the bloody stump of a finger of one of the ICE officers.

显然，在某些情况下，抗议者正在咬断联邦官员的手指。

Apparently, protesters are now biting the fingers off of federal officers in some cases.

特里西亚·麦克劳克林说，这个人将失去他的手指。

Tricia McLaughlin said that this person is gonna lose his finger.

随后，国土安全部展示了一个装有他手指碎片的罐子。

A chunk of his finger was then shown in a jar by DHS.

与此同时，就在这一切发生后不久，据《纽约邮报》报道，明尼阿波利斯的反ICE抗议者暴力围攻了一家他们认为联邦官员下榻的酒店，向内部人员投掷物品、砸碎窗户，并在建筑外墙上涂写‘f ICE’字样，时间是周日。

Meanwhile, in the immediate aftermath of all of this happening Minneapolis, according to the New York Post, anti ICE protesters violently swarmed a Minneapolis hotel where they believe federal officers were staying, hurling items at people inside, smashing its windows, and graffitiing f ICE across the building's facade on Sunday.

周日晚上，一大群人涌向希尔顿欢朋套房酒店，就在亚历克斯·佩蒂被杀的第二天，双子城的紧张局势持续升级。

The large mob descended on the Home two Suites by Hilton Hotel late on Sunday as tensions gripped the Twin Cities one day after the killing of Alex Petty.

显然，他们推搡并朝酒店大堂内的明尼阿波利斯警察局警员和其他人投掷物品，试图强行闯入，迫使酒店内人员用两台大型自动售货机物理阻挡这些喧闹的示威者。

Apparently, they shoved and hurled the object at a Minneapolis police department officer and others just inside the hotel's lobby and attempted to push their way in, forcing those inside to use two large vending machines to physically block the rowdy demonstrators.

抗议者还敲打垃圾桶、挥舞雪铲、吹口哨、跺脚、大喊大叫，并用频闪灯照射酒店外墙，企图干扰他们认为正在里面睡觉的联邦官员。

The protesters also banged on trash cans, slammed snow shovels, blew whistles, stomped, yelled, shone strobe lights on the hotel's facade in an attempt to disturb the federal officers who they believe were sleeping inside.

这种行为是由左翼政客在背后推动的。

This sort of activity is being facilitated by politicians of the left.

这再清楚不过了，这正是为什么此类事件发生在明尼阿波利斯，而其他地方没有发生的原因。

It is that clear, and that is the reason this is happening in Minneapolis and nowhere else.

为什么同样的事情没有发生在新奥尔良？

Why is this not happening, again, in New Orleans?

为什么在德克萨斯州的达拉斯也没有发生？

Why is this not happening in Dallas, Texas?

为什么这种情况没有发生在红色地区？

Why isn't this happening in red areas?

答案非常明显。

The answer is very obvious.

蒂姆·沃尔兹在整个事件中表现得极其可恶，是个糟糕的州长，是国家的耻辱，这个人却被民主党提名为美国副总统。

Tim Walls, who's been absolutely abhorrent throughout this entire debacle, a terrible governor, a disgrace to the country, this person was nominated for vice president of The United States by the Democratic Party.

沃尔兹发布了一系列推文。

Walls put out a series of tweets.

他说：‘今天早上，联邦特工又发生了一起可怕的枪击事件，我刚与白宫交谈过。’

Quote, I just spoke with the White House after another horrific shooting by federal agents this morning.

明尼苏达州已经受够了。

Minnesota has had it.

这令人作呕。

This is sickening.

总统必须终止这一行动，立即把数千名暴力且未经训练的官员从明尼苏达州撤走。

The president must end this operation, pull the thousands of violent, untrained officers out of Minnesota now.

所以，我想这里的基本观点是，你们不会通过积极协助驱逐刑事非法移民来提供帮助，因此，你们将助长对执法的阻碍。

So I guess the basic idea here is that you won't help by actively facilitating the deportation of criminal illegal immigrants, and thus, you're going to facilitate the obstruction of law enforcement.

然后当事情变糟时，你们会要求联邦执法部门撤出。

And then when things go bad, you're gonna tell federal law enforcement to pull out.

所以，我们现在讨论的是州和地方的否决权。

So it's state and local nullification is what we are talking about right now.

然后他说，他们以为能逼迫我们放弃我们的价值观。

And then he says, they think they can provoke us into abandoning our values.

他们错了。

They are wrong.

我们会维持和平。

We will keep the peace.

我们会为我们的邻居伸张正义，并且我们会看到这场占领结束。

We'll secure justice for our neighbors, and we will see this occupation end.

你们是怎么维持和平的？

How how have been doing keeping the peace?

蒂姆·沃尔斯，你那边维持和平的情况怎么样？

How's that going for you, Tim Walls?

那边看起来并不太平静。

It seems like not so peaceful over there.

每次你说抗议者在有人被枪击或暴力示威后做了什么了不起的事，情况反而变得更糟。

It seems like every time you say the protesters are doing something wonderful in the aftermath of somebody being shot or in the aftermath of violent demonstrations, it gets worse.

我认为蒂姆·沃尔斯并不想在明尼苏达州维持和平。

I don't think Tim Walls is interested in keeping things peaceful in Minnesota.

我也不觉得。

I don't.

我几乎没有看到任何证据表明他有这个意愿。

I see very little evidence that he is.

他可以一再说，但我几乎没有看到任何证据表明这是他的目标。

He can say it over and over, but I see very little evidence that this is his goal.

他说，明尼苏达州信奉法律与秩序。

He says, Minnesota believes in law and order.

我们相信和平，我们认为特朗普必须将他那3000名未经训练的特工从明尼苏达州撤走，以免他们在街头再杀害一名美国人。

We believe in peace, and we believe that Trump needs to pull his 3,000 untrained agents out of Minnesota before they kill another American in the street.

我不确定他说的‘未经训练’是什么意思。

Not sure what he means by untrained.

这些特工确实接受过训练，但他的目的仍然是将此描绘成一种盖世太保式的占领。

These agents go through training, But, again, the goal is to proclaim this a gestapo like occupation.

而且，沃尔斯正在为针对执法人员的暴力行为构建一套完整的许可体系。

And, again, Walls is building an entire permission structure for violence against officers.

他就是在这么做。

That's what he's doing.

上周末，他还在说我们不应该把这些人的身份称为执法者。

Here he was over the weekend saying we should not call these people law enforcement.

我对唐纳德·特朗普会做正确的事有任何信心吗？

Do I have any confidence Donald Trump will do the right thing?

没有。

No.

我对唐纳德·特朗普会做正确的事没有太多信心。

I don't have a lot of confidence Donald Trump will do the right thing.

但我非常相信大多数美国人会做正确的事。我认为，在所有这些报道之后，在所有以移民改革为名却不再称这些人执法者的言论之后，全美上下很难还有多少人会支持他们。

I do have a lot of confidence that the majority of the American people will do the right thing, and I think there cannot be very many people across this country looking right now after all the reporting that's been done, after everything that's been said under the pretense that they are here about immigration reform and quit referring to these people as law enforcement.

他们根本不是执法者。

They are not law enforcement.

我们有那些表现卓越的执法者。

We have law enforcement who do an incredible job.

听到格雷格·博维诺贬低我们那些清理他们烂摊子的人，我不觉得他本人会做对的事，但我知道的是：许多共和党人，不管出于什么原因，一直缺乏勇气，但他们或许终将意识到，除非他们挺身而出，捍卫正义、法治和人性尊严，否则他们这辈子再也赢不了选举了——现在就是关键时刻。

And to listen to Greg Bovino denigrate the work of our people who are out there cleaning up their mess, no I don't have a lot of confidence that he himself will do it but here's what I do have confidence in, there's a whole lot of republicans for whatever reason cannot find their spine but they might find the ability to know that they're not going to win another election as long as they live unless they stand up for what's right and stand up for the rule of law and stand up for human decency, and that's the moment.

好的。

Okay.

他们根本不是在维护法治，蒂姆·沃尔兹一伙人。

They're they're literally not standing for the rule of law, Tim Walz and company.

他明明在说，让你们的特工滚出这里，尽管他们是在执行联邦法律。

He's literally saying, get your agents out of here while they enforce federal law.

当他说到他们不是执法人员时，你觉得他对抗议者传达了什么信息？

And when he says things like they're not law enforcement, what do you think he is saying to protesters?

你觉得他想表达什么？

What do you think he's saying?

当他说到他们不是执法人员时，他的意思是：好吧。

When he says they're not law enforcement, he's saying, okay.

如果他们不是，那他们是什么？

Well, if they're not, then what are they?

那我猜他们是恐怖分子？

Then I guess they're terrorists?

那我猜他们是违法者，因为他们四处游荡，对美国南方公民实施犯罪？

Then I guess that they are lawbreakers because they're wandering around committing crimes against Southern American citizens?

他到底想说什么？

What is he saying?

他是在为这一切提供一种许可结构。

He's granting a permission structure for all of this.

然后威尔斯继续说，明尼苏达州的人实际上只是在为起诉移民与海关执法局官员收集证据记录。

Then Wells went on to say that Minnesotans are actually just all they're doing is creating a log of evidence for prosecution of ICE agents.

他们创建证据记录有什么问题？

What's the problem with them creating a log of evidence?

你真的认为他们只是在做这个吗？

Is that really what you think they're doing?

创建证据记录。

Creating a log of evidence.

他们真的只是在做这个。

Is that that's really all they're doing.

他们没有妨碍执法吗？

They're not obstructing law enforcement?

明尼苏达人正在见证这一切，我们正在为未来起诉移民与海关执法局官员及相关责任人收集证据记录。

Minnesotans are witnessing, and we're creating a log of evidence for the future prosecution of ICE agents and officials responsible for this.

他们正在帮助自己的邻居。

They're helping their neighbors.

他们正在送孩子上学。

They're walking their kids to school.

他们正在给家庭提供食物。

They're feeding families.

好的。

Okay.

我有点困惑。

I'm I'm I'm confused.

他们并没有做亚历克斯·佩蒂的事，亚历克斯·佩蒂并没有送孩子上学或给家庭提供食物。

They're not doing Alex Petty was not walking kids to school or feeding families.

他在街上。

He was in the street.

他似乎在阻塞交通。

He was blocking traffic, apparently.

你可以在录像中看到。

You can see in the tape.

他就在外面。

He's out there.

他在妨碍联邦执法。

He's getting in the way of federal law enforcement.

我的意思是，他当时在抗拒逮捕。

I mean, he was resisting arrest.

我的意思是，这些事情确实在发生。

Like, those are things that are happening.

这就是为什么我常说，这些事件常常变成罗夏墨迹测验，各方看到的完全是不同的故事，而这些故事似乎都与我们实际看到的录像无关——在录像中，生活是混乱的，生活是复杂的，但看起来亚历克斯·弗雷迪当时正在妨碍联邦执法部门执行任务，随后抗拒逮捕，并且身上携带了一把枪。

That's why I say that very often these things become a Rorschach test, and the sides are seeing completely different stories, and none of them seem to be related to the actual tape that we saw in which life is messy and life is complicated, but it appears that Alex Freddy was obstructing federal law enforcement in performance of an operation and then resisting arrest and had a gun on him.

而根据录像，他随后被缴械了，但有人误以为他仍持枪，听到了一声枪响之类的情况，于是向他开枪。

And then it appears from the tape that he was disarmed, and someone mistakenly thought he was still armed, and they heard a shot go off or something like that, and then they shot him.

这似乎是描述这一事件最客观的方式。

That appears to be the most objective way of describing the situation.

但根据蒂姆·沃尔斯的说法，这纯粹是一起前所未有的预谋谋杀。

But according to Tim Walls, it's just a pure, unprecedented pre premeditated murder.

顺便说一下，沃尔斯还将明尼苏达州的非法移民儿童与安妮·弗兰克相提并论。

Walls went on, by the way, to compare illegal immigrant children in Minnesota to Anne Frank.

不。

No.

对不起。

I'm sorry.

不是这样的。

That no.

错了。

Wrong.

安妮·弗兰克并没有试图从她被驱逐的国家移民出去。

Anne Frank was not attempting to immigrate to the country from which she was deported.

安妮·弗兰克是她所居住国家的公民，后来被送往奥斯维辛，在那里死于斑疹伤寒。

Anne Frank was a citizen of the country in which she lived, and then she was sent to Auschwitz where she died of typhus.

这完全不是一回事。

That is not the same thing.

你猜怎么着？

And guess what?

美国执法官员、移民和海关执法局人员、边境巡逻人员都不是纳粹。

American law enforcement agents, ICE officers, border patrol agents are not Nazis.

他们也不是盖世太保。

They're not the Gestapo.

这是一场由民主党为政治目的故意制造的混乱行动。

This is a purposefully driven chaos operation pushed by Democrats for political purposes.

我们在明尼苏达州的孩子们躲在家中，不敢出门。

We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses afraid to go outside.

我们许多人小时候都读过安妮·弗兰克的故事。

Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank.

总有一天会有人写下关于明尼苏达州孩子们的这个故事。

Somebody's gonna write that children's story about Minnesota.

现在有一个人能立刻结束这一切。

And there's one person who can end this now.

他要么是愚蠢，要么是贪婪，要么两者兼有。

Either he's stupid or he's venal or both.

很可能两者都是。

Probably both.

而且，他数周乃至数月来一直在为这件事铺垫。

And, again, he's been setting the groundwork for this for weeks and months.

1月7日，沃勒说，抵抗是你们的爱国责任。

On January 7, Wall said it is your patriotic duty to resist.

他就在这里。

Here he was.

我想让明尼苏达州的人们听到我的话。

I want Minnesotans to hear this from me.

我鼓励大家走出去抗议，发声反对这个政府，因为此刻这样做正是爱国的责任。

I the desire to get out and protest and and to speak up to this administration of how wrong this is, that that is a patriotic duty at this point in time.

这确实是一项爱国责任。

It is it is a patriotic duty.

上周，他建议是时候采取所谓的好麻烦了。

Last week, he suggested it was time to, quote, unquote, cause good trouble.

而这样一来，麻烦自然就会随之而来。

And that well, then trouble is going to ensue.

我的意思是，这种事情很可能会发生。

I mean, that is a thing that is likely going to happen.

现在正是人们挺身而出的时刻。

These are the moments for people to stand up.

这些时刻并不轻松，但正是在这些时刻，一个人的品格才会显现出来。

These are the moments that are not the easy ones, but these are the moments where character comes out.

是的。

Yeah.

我正在收到来自世界各地的留言。

I am receiving notes from around the world.

是的。

Yeah.

人们正在觉醒，有很多人说，好吧。

People identifying, and there's a lot of people saying, okay.

我之前忽略了明尼苏达州的情况。

I was sleeping on Minnesota.

我认为你们所做的一切，以及我们的邻居们正在经历的这一切，我经常讲这个故事。

And I think what you've done and what our neighbors are going through to see this and I oftentimes told this story.

我曾在国会担任中国委员会的联合主席，说来讽刺的是，搭档是马可·卢比奥。

I served on the China Commission in congress, ironically enough, as co chair with Marco Rubio.

关于中国政治犯，我们曾问他们：当我们发声并谴责你们政府时，这是否不好？

Chinese political prisoners, and we would ask them, when we speak up and call out your government, is it bad?

他们说：短期内确实不好，因为他们会折磨我们。

And they said, well, in the short run, it's bad because they torture us.

但如果你不发声，他们不仅会折磨我们，还会彻底忽视我们。

But if you don't speak up, they will torture us and forget about us.

对。

Right.

而现在的情况是，我们得

And the idea is right now is we have

发声。

to be speaking up.

是的。

Yeah.

我们得

We have

行动。

to be going.

是的。

Yeah.

他们

They

你们在做一切，我们的邻居也在做一切。

they are you are doing everything, and our neighbors are doing everything.

我再怎么强调这一点都不为过。

And I can't stress enough on this.

我们之所以能赢，是因为我们带着明尼苏达的坚韧在行动。

We're winning it because we're doing it with Minnesota grit.

明尼苏达的奉献者。

Minnesota givers.

明尼苏达的正直。

Minnesota decency.

是的。

Yes.

人们经常谈论这一点，我知道很多人正在广泛讨论这个话题。

Oftentimes talk about this, and I know people are discussing this a lot.

我花了很多时间与约翰·刘易斯探讨非暴力抗争。

I spent a lot of time with John Lewis on nonviolent resistance.

抗争很重要。

The resistance matters.

是的。

Yes.

不是让人保持沉默，而是我们也不让人出去制造麻烦。

Not telling people to be silent, but we're not telling people to go out and cause problems.

我们要制造有益的麻烦。

We're going to cause good trouble.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

Okay.

当他谈到非暴力抵抗时，如果人们暴力抗拒逮捕，这到底意味着什么？

So when he talks about nonviolent resistance, what what does it mean when when people violently resist arrest, for example?

那算是非暴力抵抗吗？

Is that is that nonviolent resistance?

因为这正是我们一直在看到的。

Because that's what we've been seeing.

当你们像蕾妮·古德那样堵住交通，然后用车撞警察时，这算是非暴力抵抗吗？

Is it nonviolent resistance when you block traffic like Renee Good did and then hit an officer with your car?

这算是非暴力抵抗吗？

Is that is that a is that nonviolent resistance?

他这话到底是什么意思？

How how what what does he mean by this?

而且，这里的界限非常模糊，而且是故意被模糊的。

And, again, the lines are pretty blurry here, and they're being deliberately blurred.

与此同时，明尼阿波利斯那位糟糕的市长雅各布·弗莱发表了一份声明，称：‘在今天的枪击事件后，明尼阿波利斯已提交申请，要求尽快对我们临时禁令作出裁决。’

Meanwhile, Jacob Fry, who is the awful mayor of Minneapolis, he put out a statement, quote, after today's shooting, Minneapolis is filing a declaration to push for an immediate ruling on our temporary restraining order.

我们需要迅速采取行动来保护我们的城市。

We need swift action to protect our city.

我已正式请求国民警卫队协助支持我们600名明尼阿波利斯警察。

I have formally requested National Guard assistance to support our 600 Minneapolis police officers.

几周以来，我一直说得很清楚。

I've been clear for weeks.

这种情况无法持续下去。

This situation is unsustainable.

我们的社区已经厌倦了。

Our community is tired.

我们的警察也累了。

Our officers are tired.

我们的商家也撑不住了。

Our businesses are tired.

我们的首要任务是安全，这会有帮助。

Our top priority is safety, and this will help.

所以我很困惑。

So I'm confused.

他是想调动国民警卫队来阻止移民局执行任务，还是阻止人们暴乱？

Is he trying to call on the National Guard to stop ICE from doing its job or to stop people from rioting?

到底是哪一个？

Which is it?

因为这会产生巨大的差异。

Because that makes an awful big difference.

如果他调用国民警卫队的目的是阻止移民与海关执法局履行职责，那么你就真的面临一场叛乱了。

If it is the former that he's trying to stop ICE from doing its job by calling in the National Guard, then you have, like, an actual insurrection on your hands.

州执法机构与联邦执法机构对立，在这个国家，据我所知，在任何其他国家也都没有好的先例。

You can't have state law enforcement opposed to federal law enforcement that does not have a good history in this country or any other so far as I'm aware.

与此同时，弗莱说他召开了一场过度情绪化的新闻发布会，质问还需要多少美国人丧生？

Meanwhile, Fry said he did a presser, an overwrought presser in which he said, how many more Americans need to die?

你知道什么能阻止美国人丧生吗？

You know what would stop Americans from dying?

让民众在移民与海关执法局执行任务时回家。

Tell people to go home while ICE does its job.

这会让人们停止死亡。

That would that would get people to stop dying.

确实会。

It would.

告诉人们不要阻挠移民与海关执法局的官员。

Tell people to not obstruct ICE officers.

我刚刚看到一段视频，显示六名以上蒙面特工殴打我们的选民并开枪致其死亡。

I just saw a video of more than six masked agents, pummeling one of our constituents and shooting them to death.

还要有多少居民、多少美国人丧生或严重受伤，这项行动才会终止？

How many more residents, how many more Americans need to die or get badly hurt for this operation to end?

在这一届政府意识到政治和党派叙事不如美国价值观重要之前，还要有多少生命失去？

How many more lives need to be lost before this administration realizes that a political and partisan narrative is not as important as American values.

地方和国家领导人必须向你，唐纳德·特朗普，恳求多少次，才能让你终止这项行动，并认识到这并没有为我们城市带来安全？

How many times must local and national leaders must plead with you, Donald Trump, to end this operation and recognize that this is not creating safety in our city.

真正不创造安全的，是人们再次阻挠联邦执法部门。

Well, what's not creating safety is, again, people obstructing federal law enforcement.

你知道什么才能创造安全吗？

You know what creates safety?

驱逐有犯罪记录的非法移民。

Deporting criminal illegal immigrants.

这能带来安全，除非你决定阻挠执法，那样的话安全就不会实现。

That creates safety unless you decide you're gonna get in the way of law enforcement, in which safety does not ensue.

这是一场混乱行动。

This is a chaos operation.

这是一场混乱行动，而且从包括前美国总统巴拉克·奥巴马在内的所有人那里都得到了支持；到目前为止，我还没看到他在推特上对伊朗数十万人被谋杀一事发表任何评论，但他却对我们的边境巡逻队和移民与海关执法局特工发表了大量言论。

It's a chaos operation, and it's being promoted by everybody up to and including Barack Obama, the former president of The United States, who, thus far, I've seen no comments on his on his Twitter feed with regard to the murder apparently of tens of thousands of people in Iran, but he definitely has some statements about our border patrol and ICE agents.

引述：亚历克斯·佩蒂的死亡是一场令人心碎的悲剧。

Quote, the killing of Alex Petty is a heartbreaking tragedy.

这也应该成为每个美国人的警钟，无论党派如何，我们国家的许多核心价值观正日益受到威胁。

It should also be a wake up call to every American regardless of party that many of our core values as a nation are increasingly under assault.

数周以来，全国各地的人们一直对蒙面的移民与海关执法局新兵和其他联邦特工肆无忌惮地行动、采取旨在恐吓、骚扰、挑衅并危及一座主要美国城市居民安全的手段而感到愤怒。

For weeks now, people across the country have been rightly outraged by the spectacle of masked ICE recruits and other federal agents acting with impunity and engaging in tactics that seem designed to intimidate, harass, provoke, endanger the residents of a major American city.

这些前所未有的手段现已导致两名美国公民被致命枪杀。

These unprecedented tactics have now resulted in the fatal shooting of two US citizens.

再次强调，这并不属实。

Again, that is not true.

那是谎言。

That is a lie.

认为ICE执行执法职责导致了两名美国公民致命枪击事件的想法是错误的。

The idea that ICE pursuing its law enforcement duties is the thing that has resulted in the fatal shootings of two US citizens is wrong.

在街上行走、不打扰ICE的人并不会被枪击。

People walking down the streets not bothering ICE are not getting shot.

那些阻挠ICE行动、并与武装的ICE官员发生争议冲突的人。

People obstructing ICE operations and then getting into disputed altercations with ICE officers, sometimes well armed.

显然，这种情况最终会导致糟糕的结果。

That that is the thing that is going to end with bad things happening, clearly.

显然，地方官员对此也有自己的看法，他们也在呼应民主党的立场。

Obviously, the local officials have had their perspective on this as well, and they are mirroring the Democratic line.

明尼阿波利斯警察局长曾出面表态。

The Minneapolis police chief was out there.

他的名字是布莱恩·奥哈拉，谴责ICE的行动以及亚历克斯·弗雷迪事件。

His name is Brian O'Hara denouncing the ICE operations and what happened with Alex Freddie.

嗯，我和全国各地成千上万的人一样看过这些视频，视频本身已经说明了一切。

Well, I've seen the videos just as thousands of people around the country have, and the videos speak for themselves.

我觉得人们所说的一些话令人深感担忧。

I think it's deeply concerning the things that are being said.

这是一名城市居民。

This is an individual that was a city resident.

看起来他当时在现场，行使了宪法第一修正案赋予的记录执法活动的权利，同时也行使了在城市公共场所合法携带武器的第二修正案权利。

It appears that he was present, exercising his first amendment rights to record law enforcement activity and also exercising his second amendment rights to lawfully be armed in a public space in the city.

所以显然，现在提出了许多严重的问题。

So I think very obviously, there are serious questions that are being raised.

我认为更大的问题是，即使最终的调查证明开枪时行为在法律上是正当的，我认为这此刻也无关紧要了，因为这座城市里人们对正在发生的事情感到极度愤怒和担忧。

And I think the greater issue is even if there is an investigation that ultimately proves that at the time of the shooting, it was legally justified, I don't think that even matters at this point because there just there is so much outrage and concern around what is happening in the city.

好的。

Okay.

最后一句话简直荒谬。

That last statement is insane.

最后一句话简直太疯狂了。

That last statement is totally insane.

即使进行全面调查并发现枪击事件是正当的，那也不重要。

And if there's a full investigation and it finds that the shooting was justified, that doesn't matter.

那才是唯一应该重要的事情。

That's the only thing that should matter.

难道不是吗？

Shouldn't it not?

我的意思是，作为一个法律应当至上的国家，公正的司法应当占主导地位，涉事警察是否有罪或无罪难道不才是关键问题吗？

I mean, like, as a as a country where law is supposed to prevail, the impartial administration of justice is supposed to prevail, shouldn't the guilt or innocence of the officers at issue be the key issue?

但每当有人宣扬左翼叙事时，情况总是这样。

But this is always the case with people who are promoting the left wing narrative.

叙事比事实更重要。

The narrative matters more than the fact.

到底发生了什么根本不重要。

It doesn't matter what actually happened.

重要的是你认为发生了什么，以及人们对这件事的感受。

It only matters what you think happened and what people feel about what happened.

真的很丑陋，尤其是来自执法人员的行为。

Really, truly ugly stuff, particularly from a member of law enforcement.

明尼苏达州的艾米·克拉维查尔参议员，她也在就太空问题造势。

Senator Amy Klavichar of Minnesota, she's also trying to stump on the space issue.

当然，她想在蒂姆·沃尔斯宣布不寻求第三个任期后竞选明尼苏达州州长。

Of course, wants to run for governor of Minnesota in the wake of Tim Walls announcing he will not run for a third term.

所以她当时说，沉默就是共谋。

So here she was saying silence is complicity.

我坚决反对为移民与海关执法局增加更多资金。

I am strongly opposed, to more funding for ICE.

今年夏天当他们的预算翻了三倍时，我就坚决反对。

I was strongly opposed when they tripled their budget this summer.

多出了七百五十亿美元。

$75,000,000,000 more.

这笔钱本可以用于地方执法部门。

That money could go to local law enforcement.

但相反，他们却将培训要求大幅放宽，从几个月缩短到四十七天。

And instead, they loosened all the training requirements down for months to forty seven days.

他们正在违反第四修正案，未经司法授权就强行闯入民宅。

They are violating, the fourth amendment that they are ramming in people's doors without a judicial warrant.

他们拒绝强制使用随身摄像头。

They are refusing to have mandatory body cameras.

他们的领导层明显应当被撤换。

They are have clearly a leadership that should be removed.

你现在可以一一列举出所有这些问题。

You can just go down the list of all the problems with this right now.

我真的很感谢卡西迪参议员敢于站出来发声，而其他人却都保持沉默。

And I really do appreciate, that senator Cassidy was brave enough, to stand up and say something about it when no one else will.

这一点上，我完全同意。

And in this point Right.

沉默就是共谋。

Silence is complicity.

沉默在什么方面是共谋？

Silence is complicity in what?

我们说的是哪种沉默？

What kind of silence are we talking about?

如果我们同意这是一场悲剧，应当进行全面调查，但同时也认为民主党正以制造混乱的心态行事，那该怎么办？

What if we agree this is a tragic situation and that there should be a full investigation, but also believe that Democrats are operating under the guise of a chaos driven mentality.

想要竞选总统的加文·纽森，现在却声称这是一场警察国家的景象。

Gavin Newsom, who wants to run for president, is now suggesting that this is a police state.

他在他的新闻办公室发布了这一说法——而这个新闻办公室，我以前采访他或上过他的节目时，他曾多次谴责过；严格来说，当时是他采访我，但他通过他的新闻办公室发布了一份声明：你们正在目睹美国街头正在发生的事。

He put this up in his press office, a press office he has denounced before when I interviewed him or was on his shows, technically, he was interviewing me, he put out a statement via his press office, you're seeing what's happening on American streets.

这是一场警察国家。

This is a police state.

说出来吧。

Speak up.

现身吧。

Show up.

和平地行使你的权利。

Use your rights peacefully.

再次宣扬这种东西。

Again, promoting this sort of stuff.

这并不是一个警察国家。

It is not a police state.

人们并没有因为无所事事而在街头被随意逮捕。

People are not being simply randomly arrested on the streets for doing nothing.

事情并不是这样的。

That is not what's happening.

新泽西州的新州长米基·谢里尔称，移民与海关执法局是一个斯塔西组织。

Mikey Scherrill, the new governor of New Jersey, suggested that ICE is a Stasi force.

这指的是东德的秘密警察。

That would be a reference to the secret police in East Germany.

这跟庇护城市无关，根本不是关于庇护城市的问题。

This isn't about sanctuary, not sanctuary cities.

这远远超出了那个范畴。

This goes far beyond that.

这关乎的是一种类似斯塔西的秘密警察力量，他们戴着面具，身份不明，不受问责，而特朗普政府的高层却公然对美国民众撒谎，而民众明明可以通过视频看到正在发生的一切。

This is about, a basically Stasi type force of secret police that wear masks that are unidentifiable, that are unaccountable, that have leadership in the Trump administration blatantly lying about what's going on when the American people can see the videos about exactly what's happening.

新泽西州没有任何一名警察会A)如此行事，因为我们接受的训练远超这种不当行为；或者B)如果发生任何不当行为，同队的其他执法人员会立即制止，涉事人员将被依法严惩——这正是明尼阿波利斯那些ICE特工身上必须发生的事情。

There is no police officer in the state of New Jersey that would A) act like that because we have training that far surpasses any type of misconduct like that or B) should anything untoward happen, the other agents with that police officer would stop that immediately, and that person would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, which is exactly what needs to happen with these ICE agents in Minneapolis.

他们现在就是斯塔西。

Like, they're they're the Stasi now.

因此，民主党借此事威胁要再次导致政府停摆。

And so Democrats on the back of this are threatening another government shutdown.

据《纽约时报》报道，一项旨在为政府广泛领域提供资金、避免本周末停摆的两党法案，在周六似乎面临严重危机，因为关键的参议院民主党人表示，由于联邦特工在明尼阿波利斯开枪打死一名居民，他们将反对该法案。

According to the New York Times, bipartisan legislation to fund a broad swath of the government and avert a shutdown at the end of the week appeared to be in grave danger on Saturday as key senate democrats vowed to oppose it after federal agents shot and killed a Minneapolis resident.

对这项法案的迅速升级的反对声音——该法案包括为国土安全部拨款644亿美元，其中100亿美元用于ICE——进一步增加了本月底出现部分政府停摆的可能性。

The rapidly escalating opposition to the measure, which includes $64,400,000,000 for the Department of Homeland Security, including $10,000,000,000 for ICE, amplified the likelihood of a partial government shutdown at the end of the month.

这项立法需要民主党支持，以获得参议院避免冗长辩论并推进所需的60票。

The legislation requires the support of Democrats to muster the 60 votes needed to avoid the filibuster and advance in the senate.

因此，舒默希望将国土安全部拨款从更广泛的拨款法案中剔除，以便就移民与海关执法局（ICE）展开辩论，并对特朗普政府的ICE行动进行谴责。

So Schumer wants the DHS funding bill to be cut out of the broader appropriations bill in an attempt to then have a debate over ICE and yell at the Trump administration over ICE operations.

因此，他们显然愿意再次以政府停摆为要挟，来针对国土安全部。

So they're apparently willing to hold up the funding of the government again in order to go after DHS.

这并不意外。

Not a surprise.

来自缅因州、与民主党结盟的独立参议员安格斯·金，实际上在呼吁政府停摆。

Senator Angus King, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats from Maine, he is calling for a government shutdown, essentially.

玛格丽特，我讨厌政府停摆。

Margaret, I I hate shutdowns.

我是帮助促成上一次停摆解决方案的人之一，但在这种情况下，我无法投票支持包含ICE资金的法案。

I'm one of the people that helped negotiate the the solution to the last the end of the last shutdown, but I can't vote for a bill that includes ICE funding under these circumstances.

他们在我的州所做的事情，以及我们在明尼阿波利斯昨天看到的情况，其实有一个简单的解决办法。

What they're doing in my state, what we saw yesterday in in in Minneapolis, I there's an easy way out, by the way.

瑟努领袖可以像众议院那样，将其他五项拨款法案分开，提交到议席上。

Leader Thune could separate, which is what they did in the house, separate the five other appropriation bills, put them on the floor.

我认为它们会以压倒性多数通过，然后再讨论国土安全部的法案。

They would pass, I think, overwhelmingly, then let's take up DHS.

顺便说一下，如果这些法案通过，联邦政府96%的经费就得到了保障。

And by the way, if those bills pass, 96% of the federal government is funded.

单独讨论国土安全部的法案。

Take up DHS by itself.

让我们进行一次坦诚的谈判。

Let's have an honest negotiation.

设定一些限制措施，加强问责机制，这样就能解决这个问题。

Put some guardrails on what's going on, some accountability, and that would solve this problem.

我们不必让政府停摆。

We don't have to have a shutdown.

好的。

Okay.

我们不必停摆，但他却想要停摆。

We don't have to have a shutdown, but he wants a shutdown.

很高兴看到民主党再次推动这种叙事。

So glad to see the Democrats are, again, pushing forward with this narrative.

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We'll get to more on this in a moment.

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It brings everything together, your financials, inventory, commerce, HR, CRM, into one unified system.

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And that means your AI actually has real data to work with instead of just making educated guesses.

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This isn't an AI feature awkwardly tacked on after the fact.

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我们从左翼看到的一种现象，是试图将左翼与海外恐怖组织的荒谬意识形态结盟，套用到明尼阿波利斯等地发生的事件上。

One of the things that we are seeing from the left is an attempt to import the sort of left wing bizarre ideological kinship with terror groups abroad to what's happening in places like Minneapolis.

显然，对抗执法部门——即使是合法的执法部门——现在却被视为一种美德。

Apparently, resistance to law enforcement, to legitimate law enforcement, is now to be considered virtue.

如果你能制造足够多所谓的暴行故事，就可以削弱法律的执行。

And if you can create enough, quote, unquote, atrocity stories, then you can undermine the enforcement of the law.

这似乎是像声誉不佳的哈桑·派克之类人的模式，他甚至发推文声称：'明尼阿波利斯的围困，正是西岸占领战术在美国本土的体现。'

That seems to be the model of people like the disreputable Hassan Piker, who literally put out a tweet claiming, quote, the siege on Minneapolis is where you really see the West Bank occupation tactics on US soil.

街头持续出现武装的移民与海关执法局（ICE）人员，非法拘禁，杀人，试图保护邻居，却把他们贴上恐怖分子的标签。

Constant militarized ICE presence on the streets, illegal detentions, killing people, trying to defend their neighbors, labeling them terrorists.

法西斯主义就是向内转向的殖民主义。

Fascism is colonialism turned inward.

它就在这里。

It's here.

正是这种意识形态，如今被转化为像这类组织所进行的反ICE行动。

And it is this ideology that has now been translated into the anti ICE operations that are being performed by groups like this.

还有像托马斯·弗里德曼这样的蠢货，整天待在《纽约时报》。

And you have morons like Thomas Friedman, spends all day at the New York Times.

他只是去各个国家听出租车司机聊天，然后就以为自己对世界有了什么深刻见解。

He he just goes to various countries and listens to taxi drivers and then thinks he has some sort of insight on the world.

他今天写了一篇专栏，声称ICE官员和哈马斯武装分子是一样的，因为‘如果你在新闻测验中把一名ICE官员和一名哈马斯武装分子的照片放在一起，我敢打赌你分不清他们’。

He wrote a column today in which he claimed that ICE officers and Hamas militiamen are the same because, quote, if you placed a photo of an ICE officer next to a Hamas militiamen in a news quiz, I would defy you to tell them apart.

所以， basically，只要人们戴上面具，他们就都一样了？

So, basically, if people wear masks, they must all be the same?

这就是天才托马斯·弗里德曼的想法。

That that that's the idea from from genius Thomas Friedman.

天才级别的东西。

Genius level stuff.

好吧。

Okay.

与此同时，特朗普政府正在做出回应。

Meanwhile, the Trump administration is responding.

副总统J.

Vice president J.

D.

D.

万斯发了一条明显正确的推文。

Vance tweeted out something that is clearly true.

他说，这种人为制造的混乱在明尼阿波利斯是独一无二的。

He said, this level of engineered chaos is unique to Minneapolis.

这是极左激进分子与地方当局勾结的直接后果。

It is the direct consequence of far left agitators working with local authorities.

显然，这是对的。

Obviously, that's right.

总统也发表了一份声明。

The president put out a statement as well.

quote，这是枪手的枪，装了两个额外的满弹匣，随时准备开火。

Quote, this is the gunman's gun loaded with two additional full magazines and ready to go.

这到底是怎么回事？

What is that all about?

当地警察在哪里？

Where are the local police?

为什么他们不被允许保护移民与海关执法局的官员？

Why weren't they allowed to protect ICE officers?

市长和州长叫停了他们。

The mayor and the governor called them off.

据报道，许多警察被阻止履行职责，移民与海关执法局不得不自保。

It has stated that many of these police were not allowed to do their job, that ICE had to protect themselves.

这可不是件容易的事。

Not an easy thing to do.

为什么伊尔汗·奥马尔的账户里有三千四百万美元？

Why does Ilhan Omar have $34,000,000 in her account?

那些被从曾经伟大的明尼苏达州窃取的数百亿美元又在哪里？

And where are the tens of billions of dollars that have been stolen from the once great state of Minnesota?

我们之所以在这里，是因为发生了巨额金融欺诈，数十亿美元失踪，而非法分子在民主党的开放边境政策下得以渗透进本州。

We are there because of massive monetary fraud with billions of dollars missing and illegal criminals that were allowed to infiltrate the state through the democrats' open border policy.

我们要把钱要回来，现在就要。

We want the money back, and we want it back now.

那些窃取资金的欺诈者将被送进监狱，这是他们应得的下场。

Those fraudsters who stole the money are going to jail where they belong.

这与一起大规模的银行抢劫案并无不同。

This is no different from a really big bank robbery.

你们所目睹的许多事情，都是为了掩盖这场盗窃和欺诈行为。

Much of what you're witnessing is a cover up for this theft and fraud.

市长和州长用他们傲慢、危险且自大的言辞煽动叛乱。

The mayor and governor are inciting insurrection with their pompous, dangerous, and arrogant rhetoric.

这些道貌岸然的政治蠢材，本应去追查被从明尼苏达州和美利坚合众国人民手中窃取的数十亿美元。

Instead, these sanctimonious political fools should be looking for the billions of dollars have been stolen from the people of Minnesota and The United States Of America.

让我们国土安全部的爱国者们安心履职。

Let our ICE patriots do their job.

已有12,000名非法移民罪犯被逮捕并逐出明尼苏达州，其中许多人具有暴力倾向。

12,000 illegal alien criminals, many of them violent, have been arrested and taken out of Minnesota.

如果他们还留在那里，你们今天看到的情况会比现在恶劣得多。

If they were still there, you would see something far worse than you are witnessing today.

因为这是特朗普总统对这一切的回应。

Because that is president Trump's response to all this.

随后，特朗普总统表示，他还将派汤姆·霍曼前往，他是其边境事务主管。

And then president Trump suggested that he would be sending Tom Homan as well, the head of his his border czar.

他说：'我今晚就派汤姆·霍曼去明尼苏达。'

He said, quote, I'm sending Tom Homan to Minnesota tonight.

他此前并未参与该地区事务，但认识并喜欢那里许多的人。

He has not been involved in that area, but knows and likes many of the people there.

汤姆强硬但公正，将直接向我汇报。

Tom is tough but fair and will report directly to me.

此外，一项针对明尼苏达州发生的巨额福利欺诈案的调查正在进行中，涉案金额超过200亿美元。

Separately, a major investigation is going on with respect to the massive $20,000,000,000 plus welfare fraud that has taken place in Minnesota.

好的。

K.

派汤姆·霍曼去是个明智的决定。

That is a good move, sending Tom Homan.

霍曼是个负责任的人。

Homan is a responsible actor.

这让我们想到特朗普政府其他成员对一些有争议事件的言论，比如亚历克斯·普雷蒂之死，而这些言论与我们都能看到的视频或现场实际情况并无关联。

And this brings us to other members of the Trump administration who make statements about disputed incidents like the death of Alex Preti that are not tied to the videos that we can all see or what appear to be the facts on the ground.

我们曾见过丽娜·古德的情况，当时国土安全部部长克里斯蒂·诺姆声称她试图用车撞倒执法人员。

We saw this with Renee Good when Christy Noem, the Department of Homeland Security secretary, suggested that she was attempting to mow down officers with her car.

至少，这个特定的说法似乎并没有得到视频的支持。

At the very least, that particular narrative did not seem to be supported by the video.

在这一事件中，随着事态发展，克里斯蒂·诺姆发表声明，称亚历克斯·佩蒂是一名国内恐怖分子，意图造成最大伤害。

In this particular case, Kristi Noem, as this was all unfolding, came out and made a statement in which she suggested that Alex Petty was a domestic terrorist who wanted to inflict maximum damage.

这看起来像是一个人抵达现场，意图对平民和执法人员造成最大杀伤。

This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.

随后，数百名抗议者赶到现场。

About hundreds of protesters then showed up at the scene.

他们开始阻挠并袭击执法人员。

They began to obstruct and to assault law enforcement officers.

我们看到有人向他们投掷物品，包括冰块和其他物体，随后爆发了大规模袭击，甚至有一名国土安全调查局特工的手指被咬断。

We saw objects being thrown at them, including ice and other objects, and a rampant assault began, and even an HSI officer agent's finger was bitten off.

为了保障现场公众和执法人员的安全，当局采取了人群控制措施。

Crowd control measures were deployed to bring safety to the public and to law enforcement at the scene.

我再次提醒大家，这一事件和这场悲剧本可以避免。

And once again, I wanna remind everybody that this situation and this tragedy did not have to happen.

我们的执法人员正在尽一切努力保护公众。

Our law enforcement are doing everything that they can to protect the public.

我们为逝者的家人和朋友祈祷，但我们也认识到，明尼苏达州州长和明尼阿波利斯市长需要认真反思自己。

We're praying for this deceased loved one's family and friends, but we also recognize that the Minnesota governor and the Minneapolis mayor need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

嘿。

Hey.

这和你看到的视频没有关系。

This is, this is not connected to the video that you saw.

抱歉，确实没有。

I'm sorry it isn't.

克里斯蒂·诺姆说这个人是个国内恐怖分子，意图造成最大伤害，至少想杀害执法人员——我们只能说，这种说法存在争议。

The idea that Kristi Noem said this guy's a domestic terrorist who wanted to inflict maximum damage that, at the very least, he wanted to kill law enforcement, Let's just say that that is a matter under dispute.

他手里拿着手机站在那里。

He's standing there with a cell phone.

当这一切发生时，他正在拍摄周围的人。

He's filming people when this whole thing begins.

如果他想杀害执法人员，理论上他的枪在一开始就应该已经拔出来了。

If he wanted to kill law enforcement, presumably, his gun would have been drawn at the very beginning.

持枪示威是被允许的。

You're allowed to protest while holding a gun.

我们稍后会谈到这一点。

We'll get to that in a moment.

现在，克里斯蒂·诺姆最好的情况是，他可能在那时伸手去够一个空的枪套。

Now the best case for Christy Noem is that it is possible that he reached for what at that point was an empty holster.

从录像中无法确定这是否属实，或者这是否引发了枪击事件。

It is unclear from the tape, whether that is the case or not or whether that triggered the shooting.

我们还不知道。

We don't know yet.

但她因彼得·杜西对这一事件描述的质询而陷入困境，因为根据录像，弗雷迪似乎已经被解除武装。

But she was grilled on this characterization of events by Peter Ducey because from the tape, it appears that Freddie had already been disarmed.

你昨晚说，这看起来像是一个人来到现场，意图对众人造成最大伤害并杀害执法人员。

You said last night, it looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.

他有没有说‘我要杀了你’，或者留下过什么字条？

Did he say, I'm gonna kill you, or did he leave a note?

你怎么知道那是他的意图？

How do you know that was his intent?

你知道，这项调查的一部分将是听取那些特工、执法人员和现场人员的证词。

You know, part of this investigation will be hearing from those agents and officers and people on the ground.

但我们知道，他来到现场并阻碍了执法行动，这是违反联邦法律的。

But we do know that he came to that scene and impeded a law enforcement operation, which is against federal law.

这属于重罪。

It's a felony.

当他与这些特工互动时，当他们试图让他停止对抗时，他变得具有攻击性，并在整个过程中持续抵抗。

When he did that, interacting with those agents, when they tried to get him to disengage, he became aggressive and resisted them throughout that process.

这些警员运用了他们的训练，遵循了既定程序，并且当时担心自己和周围人的生命安全。

These officers used their training, followed their protocols, and were in fear of their lives and the people around them.

这场悲剧就是这样发生的，我们希望永远不要再看到类似事件。

And that's how this tragedy unfolded, and we hope we never see it again.

看起来亚历克斯·普雷蒂已经被解除武装。

It appears that Alex Pretty was disarmed.

如果他已经被解除武装，那么使用致命武力是否符合规程？

If he was disarmed, is it the protocol to use deadly force?

这都是调查的一部分。

And that's all part of this investigation.

每个视频都会被分析。

Every video will be analyzed.

所有内容都会被审查。

Everything will be looked at.

而且，我不能对每位警员当时的想法一一说明，但这件事发生在几秒钟内。

And and that's part of the answers that I can't speak to every single thing that those officers thought, but this happened in seconds.

他们明显感到生命受到威胁，因此采取行动保护自己和周围的人。

They clearly feared for their lives and took action to defend themselves and the people around them.

好的。

Okay.

这才是你一开始就应该说的部分。

So this is the part you should have been saying in the first place.

为什么第一次的说法是他是个企图杀害所有人的国内恐怖分子，而第二次的说法却变得合理了？

Why is the first iteration is the he's a domestic terrorist who is trying to murder everybody, and then the second iteration is the reasonable one?

第一次的说法本应是合理的。

The first iteration should be the reasonable one.

这有什么关系？

Why does that matter?

因为如果你希望这个行动成功，希望移民与海关执法局赢得美国民众的信任，那么一旦发生事情，你就必须说会进行全面调查。

Because if you're going to appear if you want this operation to be successful, if you want ICE to have the trust of the American people, then when things happen, you have to say a full investigation will take place.

这些事情显然极其复杂。

These matters obviously are incredibly fraught.

抗拒逮捕、妨碍联邦调查和联邦执法是犯罪行为。

Resisting arrest, obstructing federal investigations and federal law enforcement is a crime.

不要对警察这样做。

Do not do this to police officers.

不要对联邦执法人员这样做。

Do not do this to federal law enforcement.

别这么做。

Don't do it.

他们必须在瞬间做出快速判断。

They have to make snap judgments in a heartbeat.

可能会发生糟糕的事情。

Bad things could happen.

全面调查正在进行，这本应是最初的评论，而不是说他是国内恐怖分子，显然试图杀害尽可能多的人。

A full investigation is taking like, that should be the original comment, not he's a domestic terrorist and who is obviously attempting to murder as many people as possible.

当你这样说时，意味着人们一方面不会信任你的调查，另一方面也不会再信任你，因为你说了些似乎与录像不符的话。

When you say that sort of stuff, it means that people, number one, aren't gonna trust your investigation, and number two, they are not going to trust you anymore because you have said something that does not appear to be supported by the tape.

格雷格·博维诺是边境巡逻队的领导人之一。

Greg Bovino is one of the leaders of border patrol.

再次强调，涉事的是一名边境巡逻队员，而他本人正在解释这起事件。

Again, it was a border patrol agent who apparently was was involved in the shooting, and, and here he was explaining the incident.

在这次行动中，一名男子手持一把九毫米半自动手枪接近美国边境巡逻队员。

During this operation, an individual approached US border patrol agents with a nine millimeter semiautomatic handgun.

执法人员试图解除该男子的武装，但他暴力抵抗。

The agents attempted to disarm the individual, but he violently resisted.

由于担心自己和同事的生命安全，一名边境巡逻队员开枪进行自卫。

Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, a board virtual agent fired defensive shots.