特柳赖德和威尼斯电影节上最精彩的10部电影。此外：内森·菲尔德关于伊丽莎白·霍尔姆斯的震撼纪录片。

这部电影是这个项目的重要组成部分。

And this movie is a huge part of that project.

不过他们俩，尤其是内森，比起兰斯来，对自己所取得的成就都还有些难以置信。

But they both were, and Nathan even more so than Lance, were still a little bit just about gobsmacked about what they had done.

我觉得这个项目是2023年开始的。

And this project, I think it started in 2023.

它已经持续了好几年了。

It's been going on for a number of years.

他们做了一段时间后停了下来，后来又继续了。

And they stopped after a period of time and then came back to it.

你能看出来，在制作过程中，他们是边拍边摸索的，尤其是影片的后半段。

And you can see that it was, in the making of it, it was something that they were figuring out in real time, especially the second half of the film.

拍到伊丽莎白·霍姆斯入狱那段时，他们到了终点，得想想接下来该往哪儿走。

They kind of got to the end of the moment when Elizabeth Holmes goes to prison and had to think about where they wanted to go next.

这真是一件了不起的事。

And it's an extraordinary thing.

能参与这个项目，我真的特别开心。

And I'm really happy to have been in the room.

我觉得自己挺幸运的，能参与到这个项目中来。

I feel very lucky to have been in the room.

有意思的是，除了你提到的那个预告片同步发布之外，电影也快要上映了，我猜应该是在十月份。

The cool thing is, in addition to this kind of simultaneous release of that teaser that you mentioned, the movie's coming out soon, which I think is It's coming out in October.

谢天谢地，我觉得那种居高临下的态度不仅对我自己来说很讨厌，对制片厂和制作团队来说也不合适。大家现在都有一种迫切感，想让大家看到这部作品，这真的很棒。

And thank goodness, I think kind of like lording this over people would not only be obnoxious for me, but even from the studio and the people who made it, there's there's this kind of urgency to want to see this thing, which is really cool.

现在就是这样。

And now it Right.

它立刻就被归到了那种‘已经被过度炒作’的类别里。

It immediately falls into the category of like, well, now it's been overhyped.

但我得跟你们说实话，当时在放映厅里的真实感受，我们大家都特别兴奋。

But I I just have to give you like an honest reaction to how I felt in the room, which was we were we were we were buzzing.

对。

Yeah.

没有。

No.

我一直是在旁边看着。

I I was watching from afar.

心里还带着点羡慕。

And then until with with some envy.

直到周日，看起来电影节上好多片子都跟咱们撞车了。

And until Sunday, it had seemed like the festivals were kind of we had many of the same films.

很多人从威尼斯赶到了特柳赖德。

Many went from Venice to Telluride.

你知道的，周六晚上我们有利亚姆和诺尔·加拉格尔，还有绿洲乐队。

You know, we had the we had Liam and Noel Gallagher and Oasis on Saturday night.

关于这个，我稍后会聊到。

And, you know, I'll talk about that.

所以呢

And so

我羡慕那个。

I'm jealous of that.

他们当时，就像是，那甚至，而且我们的经历不一样。

They were it was like it it was even, and we were having different experiences.

但是，就像，你在山里，而我喝了好多气泡酒，而且，就像，生活很美好。

But, like, you were in the mountains, and I was having a tremendous number of spritzes and and, like, life was good.

而且，你知道，然后就像是，整个黄金时段团队都走了。

And, you know, and then it was like the whole prime time crew, like, left.

而且而且，那个那个能量变了。

And and and the the energy shifted.

我当时就想，我真的很想，真的很想看到这个。

And I was like, I really wanna be I really wanna be seeing this.

是啊。

Yeah.

而且而且，不知怎么的，我好像还在威尼斯，所以我还看不到。

And and also somehow I'm, like, still in Venice, so I can't see it yet.

真不敢相信这事每年都发生。

I can't believe this happens every year.

我怎么还

Why am I still

在威尼斯呢？

in Venice?

不是吧。

No.

没有。

No.

不是的。

No.

没关系。

It's okay.

今年你又延期了。

You extended again this year.

你就像，我觉得我得再多待一天，看看什么东西。

You're like, I think one more day I have to see something.

我就说，早上好。

I was like, good morning.

说实话，我这次延期就是为了能录节目，而且不用录到那么晚，因为回家路上要花一整天。

Honestly, I extended at this point so that we could record, and we didn't have to record so late because it takes like a full day to get back home.

但我本来周一就该回家的，不过没关系。

But I should have come home on Monday, but that's okay.

我真的很想看看。

I'm I really want to see it.

我们来聊聊奥斯卡吧。

Let's let's talk about Oscars.

对。

Yeah.

你知道，大家一直在提这件事。

You know, people have been bringing this up.

电影刚结束我就碰到了《综艺》的克莱顿·戴维斯，我们一见面就立刻聊起了这个话题。

I saw Clayton Davis of Variety immediately after the movie, and invariably, that conversation just started right away.

我和克莱顿聊到一个点，就是我觉得电影里有个情节特别有意思，能彻底打破常规的讨论思路，但我绝对不想剧透给大家。

And Clayton and I were sort of talking about there's one component of the movie that I do not want to spoil for people that I think kind of shatters this conversation in a really interesting way.

所以我就不提了。

So I'm not gonna do it.

我不会说那个部分。

I'm not gonna talk about that.

好。

Okay.

它能入围最佳纪录片吗？

Is it gonna be eligible for the best documentary?

可以的。

It will be.

纪录片那个部门有点……挺奇怪的。

The documentary branch is a little It's weird.

是的。

Yeah.

这类以名人为主线的故事在评选时会有点棘手，这部片子就属于这一类。

They're a little tricky when it comes to celebrity focused stories, which this sort of is.

涉及真实犯罪题材的话，也会稍微有点麻烦。

They're a little tricky when it comes to true crime.

要是导演本身就是名人的话，情况也会有点复杂。

They're a little tricky when it comes to celebrity filmmakers.

所以，因为这部片子形式上很突破，他们可能会接受，也可能不会。

So, and because this is so form breaking, maybe they'll embrace it, maybe they won't.

这还真不太好说。

It's a little hard to say.

我听到有人讨论它能不能拿最佳影片。

I heard people talking about Best Picture.

我觉得那有点悬。

That seems like a reach to me.

好的。

Okay.

我会为它拉票的。

I would campaign for it.

它在我今年看过的电影里，绝对排在前几名。

It's right near the top of my favorite movies that I've seen this year.

像这种话题，我们之后肯定还会聊不少次。

Like, we'll be talking about it quite a bit.

我刚才还得翻翻十月的排期，心里暗骂了一句‘靠’。

I've already had to, like, look at the October schedule and be like, oh, fuck.

我得把这部分拆掉重来，因为接下来至少得聊一场关于电影本身的对话。

I gotta break this and start all over again because we're gonna do at least one conversation about the movie itself.

行吧。

Okay.

确实有点特别，但也很独特。

It it is but it is unique.

我的意思是，这可是内森·菲尔德的项目。

I mean, it's a Nathan Fielder project.

对，它本身算不上那种超级商业大片，但它的特别之处在于它是新鲜出炉的作品。我之前也给你发过信息，咱们俩这几个月一直在聊这个话题：很奇怪，现在看起来颁奖季的大局和我们对获奖作品的预期几乎已经尘埃落定了，除了大概两三部电影还不确定。

Like, it's not inherently mega commercial, but what it is is it's something new in the mix and something that I had texted you, and that you and I have been talking about for months, is that it's so weird how it seems like for the most part, the awards calendar and our expectations of what's coming feels hugely settled right now with the exception of like two or three movies.

就像我跟你说的，《地下世界》和《沙丘》这两部电影都没人看过呢。

Like I said to you, Digger and Dune are two movies that nobody has seen.

也许《狼人》算一个，但大概率也不算。

Maybe Werewolf, but probably not.

而且，除了这些之外，其他的大致情况我们都心里有数了。

And and but everything else, we kind of know what it is.

我想你可以把《人工智能》也加进那个名单里。

I guess you could put Artificial on that list.

还有几部电影没看呢，但这是最近以来第一部让我觉得‘哇，这可能会颠覆我们对本季走势的预期’的作品。

A handful of movies are yet to be seen, but this was the first thing in a while where I was like, oh, this could upend some of our expectations of what's happening this season.

我也不太确定。

I don't know.

我的意思是，从远处看，你对此有什么想法吗？

I mean, from afar, do you have any thoughts on it?

我是说，我觉得我们也很渴望看到这些。

I mean, I think we were also hungry for that.

对吧？

Right?

我们在电影节期间就确定了，比如这场首映、那场首映，会获得哪个排片位置。

Is that we even we went into the festivals and we identified, you know, okay, this premiere, this premiere, this will get this slot, this slot.

大部分情况下，我们会逐个讨论它们。

And for the most part, we'll talk about them individually.

这些电影确实达到了我们的预期。

But the the films met our expectations.

所以你现在是在给每部电影打分，列个榜单之类的。

And so you're you're kind of assigning everything, doing your little draft board.

情况很明朗，但我觉得这也让我们感到有些困惑，甚至在叙事逻辑上有点让人沮丧。

And it's clear, but it's I think it's been confusing and also just a little narratively frustrating to us.

比如，我们要做一个长达半年的节目，结果所有事情我们都已经知道了。

Like, we have six months of a show to do, and we already know everything.

这算什么情况？

Like, what?

你得给我们点别的看点啊。

You gotta give us something else.

比如，给我来个反转之类的。

Like, give me a fall.

给我来个秋季档的。

Give me a fall thing.

所以说，突然上线这种操作真是绝了。

So that's very was that's the genius of a surprise drop.

确实如此。

It is.

而且你知道，这其实也反映了我个人在特柳赖德电影节时的一种氛围感受，我觉得这和别人的体验挺不一样的。

And, you know, that actually kind of speaks to a little bit of the vibe for me personally at Telluride, which I think is quite different from other people.

因为今年我们有机会去戛纳电影节，是的。

So because we had the chance to go to the Cannes Film Festival this year Mhmm.

特柳赖德大约40%的片单我已经看过了。

Roughly 40% of the slate at Telluride I had already seen.

所以这给我带来了一种不同的体验，我看的电影没有平时那么多，时间安排上很多都凑不上，而且经常我一看日程表，就会想：这个看过了，那个看过了，这个也看过了，那个也看过了，然后就没啥事可做了，这……

So And it created a different kind of experience for me where I didn't see as many movies as I usually do, the timing didn't work for as many things, and there were frequently times when I would look at the calendar and be like, seen that, seen that, seen that, seen that, and then not really have anything to do, which

那你都干什么了？

What did you do?

我跟朋友一起玩，吃了顿饭。

I hung out with friends, had a meal.

我平时不怎么吃饭的。

I don't usually eat a lot of meals.

我吃了好几顿。

I had some meals.

谢谢。

Thank you.

对。

Yeah.

我为你感到特别骄傲。

I'm so proud of you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

而且整个周末我都病倒了，这挺不理想的，但我还是硬扛过来了。

I also was sick the entire weekend, which was not ideal, but I powered through.

我保持乐观。

I kept my head up.

总之，我觉得那届特柳赖德电影节办得非常好。

Anyhow, because of that, I think that it was a very, very good Telluride.

就像你刚参加电影节时一样，几乎所有人都没看过《Club Kid》、《Fjord》、《La Bola Negra》、《Minotaur》，或者那些从戛纳转过来的大量影片。

Like, if you came into the festival, like almost everyone there, not having seen Club Kid or Fjord or La Bola Negra or Minotaur or the the huge number of can titles that came over.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，具体到《Club Kid》和《La Bola Negra》，它们在电影节上反响特别大。

I mean, I would say specifically Club Kid and La Bola Negra played huge at the festival.

对。

Yeah.

大家都特别喜欢这两部片子。

People loved both of them.

对此我其实并不意外，但很明显，这两部电影在电影节之后还会有很长的生命力。

And I'm not super surprised by that, but it was clear that those movies are going to have a life after this.

对。

Yeah.

现在是俱乐部小子季。

It's club kid season.

我准备好了。

I'm ready.

对。

Yeah.

我在机场碰到了Jordan Firstman和Alex Coco，然后我们登机出发。

And I and I saw Jordan Firstman and Alex Coco in the airport before we got on the plane to go.

我们聊天的时候，他们说感觉大家好像快把这部电影给忘了。

And we were talking and they were like, oh, I feel like people are forgetting about the movie.

我就跟他们说，放心吧，没问题的。

And I was like, you're gonna be fine.

结果呢？完全不是那么回事。

Nope.

你会没事的。

You're gonna be fine.

你会没事的。

You're be fine.

别担心，大家。

Don't worry, guys.

就像这样。

Like this.

大家都会去看这部电影的。

People are gonna see the movie.

他们一定会喜欢这部电影的。

They're gonna love the movie.

片子里有雷吉，就是演那个小演员的孩子。

They had Reggie, the young actor who plays the kid in the movie.

我知道他是个警察。

I know it's a cop.

他表现得特别好。

He he was doing great.

他的Instagram账号还是由父母在打理，他们发了一条短视频，汇总了他在特柳赖德电影节期间的精彩瞬间。

His so his Instagram account is still managed by his parents, but they did a reel of, like, his highlights at Telluride.

特别棒。

It's great.

内容很精彩。

Great stuff

赶紧走。

get away.

很有魅力，大家好。

Charming He everybody.

所以那里的氛围很好。

So the vibe there was good.

我是说，你知道的，我们可以聊聊那些新电影。

I mean, you know, we can get into the the new movies.

就像你说的，有些在电影节上放映的电影确实有不少重叠之处。

Like you said, we have a lot crossover for some of the films that played at the festival.

不过总的来说，我觉得氛围挺不错的。

But in general, I thought the vibe was good.

天气也很好。

The weather was very good.

大家看起来都很开心。

Everyone seemed happy.

这里是我这辈子最开心的地方。

It's my happiest place on earth.

我觉得今年年底就算我病得挺重，也还是挺好的。

I thought it was this at the end of this year, despite being really sick,

听我说。

listen.

我是说，我现在完全掌握了这个节奏，我自己都挺骄傲的。

I I like, I have this on lock now, and I'm really proud of myself.

但我一直在想，我这一路去电影节，你该哭哭啼啼、抱怨个不停了吧。

But I've thought about just how much you would be weeping and bitching, like, everywhere I've gone this festival.

好吧，你比我强多了。

Well, you're stronger I than I

对，确实是这样。

can't even yeah.

我是这样的。

I am.

而且你知道，这里可不流行青柠。

And, you know, you don't the limes are not a thing here.

取而代之的是那种起泡酒特饮。

Instead, you have spritzes.

所以，好吧。

So Okay.

那还挺不错的。

That's really nice.

或者去坐船。

Or go on a boat.

但你肯定会讨厌坐船的。

But you would hate the boat.

你晕船吗？

Do you get seasick?

不晕。

No.

不会。

No.

我在长岛长大。

I grew up on Long Island.

晕船？

Seasick.

你在说什么呢？

What are you talking about?

我小时候在

I grew up on

船上长大。

boats.

糟糕。

Fuck.

这是个岛国。

I It's an island.

它确实是岛，但你平时根本不会坐船去别的地方。

You don't it is an island, but you don't really take the boat to go anywhere.

我每天早上都坐船去上学，要横跨长岛海峡，得花六个小时。

I I took a boat to school every morning, six hours across the Long Island Sound.

厉害啊。

Congratulations.

所以我想最后提一下整体的氛围和感觉。我觉得《奥德赛》确实对那种氛围产生了一点影响，就是你说的那种奥斯卡相关的调调。

So I guess the last thing I'll say about just the general mood and atmosphere is I think I do think that the Odyssey, like, put a little bit of a dent in some of the vibe, which was for like the Oscar stuff that you're describing.

对。

Mhmm.

但这是好事，感觉就像咱们就好好享受当下拥有的东西，而不是把它变成一系列客套的对话。

But in a good way, where it was sort of like, let's just enjoy what we have here instead of it being like a series of conversations.

因为你知道的，电影节上有很多专门关注奖项的人。

Because, you know, there are a lot of awards pundits at the festival.

还有很多花大量时间琢磨这些事、并为此制定未来半年策略的人。

There are lot of people who spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff and strategizing that six month calendar from this point forward.

我们节目里也常聊这个，但现在好像更偏向于那种非黑即白的评判：你到底喜不喜欢？

We do plenty of it on the show, But it became more of a like, did you like it or did you not like it?

比如《埃尔斯纳》那部片子，大家讨论的焦点几乎就只剩下一件事：安德鲁·斯科特能不能冲击最佳男主角？

And there were a couple of titles like Elsinore, for example, where it was like kind of the only conversation about it is, is Andrew Scott a best actor contender?

不过好在不是所有电影都这么搞，这点我挺感激的，至少对我来说是这样。

But not really a lot of movies led with that, which I was grateful for, at least for for me.

另外，我去那边已经七八年了，在那儿交了不少朋友。

And also just that having gone there now, I think eight or nine years, I have a lot of friends there.

就像你说的，你有你在威尼斯的朋友。

Like you said, you said you have your your Venice friends.

所以还有，而且

And so there's And

也交了些新朋友，这真的

made new ones too, which is really

挺有意思的。

fun.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以感觉很棒。

So it's great.

我在学生研讨会上见到了好多年轻人，都是二十出头的小伙子小姑娘，他们说这是他们今年最大的一笔开销。

So I and I met so many so many young people in the student symposium, just like young people in their twenties who were just like, this was my big splurge for the year.

我在节目里听到你聊过这事。

I heard you talk about it on the show.

我真的很想过来。

I really wanted to be here.

那边的人全都特别nice。

Every person there is so fucking nice.

真的，那是一群最让人愉快、融洽又真诚的影迷。

Like it's just the most pleasant, convivial, sincere collection of movie nerds.

所以我这次又度过了一段非常美好的时光。

So I I once again had a wonderful time.

威尼斯那边的氛围到底怎么样？

What was the what was the actual vibe like in Venice?

我记得去年提过，去年的情况有点过于火爆了。

So I think last year I mentioned that it was pretty last year was very oversubscribed.

看起来各项后勤安排都没跟上，人太多，船不够，场地也不够。在这种必须把后勤细节都落实到位的电影节上，因为没法到处步行，所以这点特别重要。

And it seems like none of the logistics were in place, and there are too many people and not enough boats and not enough spaces at a festival where you really do have to have the logistics nailed down because you can't just walk everywhere.

对，你还得坐船过去。

Like, you do have to take a boat.

利多岛是个独立的岛屿，跟明信片上看到的威尼斯市区是分开的。

The Lido is its own island separate from, like, the Venice that you see on postcards.

所以今年我很高兴地说，我在想是不是因为今年正好赶上艺术双年展，那个是两年才办一次的。

So this year, I'm happy to say and I wonder if it's because this year was also the Art Biennale, which is only every other year.

没错。

Right.

而且你之前在那儿的时候，那些事也发生过。

And you had been there when that was happening before.

对吧？

Right?

没有。

No.

你知道我在想什么吗？

I you know what?

这是我第一次来。

This is my first year.

另外两年我都没赶上，正好是空档期。

The other two years, I've been on the off years.

哦，原来是这样。

Oh, okay.

双年展的主要活动，比如开幕式之类的，我觉得是在五月或者六月，也就是夏天比较早的时候举行。

And so the Biennale, the, you know, the the openings and all the the big part of the festival happens, I think, in May or June, earlier in the summer.

不过展馆还是开放的，感觉那些基础设施都保留着原样。

But the pavilions are still open, and so it seems like the infrastructure is just kind of held over and in place.

所以整体氛围挺不错的。

And so it's been it's been a fun vibe.

我觉得大家对电影的期待稍微低了一点，因为片单里基本没有那些好莱坞大片。

I think there were slightly lower expectations movie wise because the lineup was, you know, most of the big Hollywood expected movies were not on the lineup.

所以我听说有几位记者干脆从威尼斯转战特柳赖德了，毕竟那边更值得去。

And so I, you know, I heard of a couple journalists who even switched from Venice to Telluride because they couldn't justify it.

不过期望值低的话，反而能更轻松地享受乐趣，看到自己喜欢的电影。

But with low expectations comes, you know, the possibility to have a lot of fun and to see movies you like.

而且今年压力也没那么大，没那么紧张了。

And then other you know, the it just wasn't as stressful this year.

大家就是随性地进进出出，挺自在的。

It was everyone just kind of rolling in and out of stuff.

我还认识了不少年轻人，其中很多意大利年轻人，他们好像都很关注大局观。

I have also met a lot of young people who and a lot of Italian young people who apparently listen to the big picture.

然后他们说‘再见’。

And Ciao.

然后又说‘再见’。

Then and then Ciao.

然后他们就过来了。

And made their way here.

所以这真的很有趣。

So so that's very fun.

然后周六特别好玩。

And then Saturday was really fun.

周六是个大日子，因为节目单一出来，大家都发现，黄金时段在周六下午5点有一场首映。

Saturday was a jam because everyone as soon as the schedule was released, we all identified, okay, prime time has a 5PM Saturday premier.

那确实就是威尼斯电影节的黄金时段。

And that's like that is in fact prime time at Venice.

而且那部片子可能也不会去特柳赖德。

And there's that's also kinda like that's not going to Telluride probably.

所以因为排片的关系，周六去就太晚了。

So because of the way the schedule works, Saturday is too late to get over.

刚好赶上时间。

To tell you're right in time.

所以你们觉得这是重头戏。

So you're like, this is this is our centerpiece of it.

这绝对是压轴大戏。

This is this is gonna be it.

而且你知道的，帕丁森大概率会去，他们肯定会利用他的明星效应。

And, you know, and, like, Pattinson will probably be there, and they'll use his star power.

你就能感觉到那种氛围在蔓延。

And you can just kinda, like, feel it going.

所以周六下午五点这个安排也很妙，还留出了时间参加那个超棒的八点二十四派对，那场派对确实办得很热闹。

And so, you know, 5PM on Saturday also leaves time for a great eight twenty four party, which definitely happened.

然后我还发现，关于绿洲乐队最近巡演的纪录片《回头是岸》也在之后首映了。

And then I realized also that Oasis, don't look back in anger, the documentary about the recent tour, was premiering afterwards.

我当时就想，天哪。

I was like, oh my god.

他们要把利亚姆和诺尔都请来。

They're gonna get Liam and Noel.

所以我没去，只看了黄金时段的首映。

So I did not I only went to the prime time premier

好的。

Okay.

那场

Which

我玩得特别开心。

I had a great time at.

然后说真的，那些派对真是无可替代。

And then listen, parties remain unmatched.

非常感谢大家所做的一切。

Thank you guys so much for everything that you do.

你现在想到的是派对这个概念吗？

Are you thinking parties as a concept right now?

你是说

What are

我在想24小时派对这个概念。

you I'm thinking of the a 24 parties as a concept.

就像我刚才说的，我见了兰斯·奥彭海姆的全家。

And like I said, I met Lance Oppenheim's entire family.

他们说他们整整一周没睡觉了。

They were like, we haven't slept in a week.

我们紧张得不行。

We were so nervous.

他们人真好。

They were so sweet.

所以那次真的挺开心的。

So that was really fun.

我看了，所以没去《绿洲》的首映礼，但早上看过了。

And I had see so I didn't go to the Oasis premiere, but I did see it in the morning.

对。

Mhmm.

早上八点半左右，我一边扯着嗓子大声唱，一边就哭出来了。

I did start crying at, like, 08:45 in the morning while singing at the, like, top of my lungs along

电影里有人跟着一起唱吗？

to Were people singing along in the movie?

其实没有，但我当时确实有想过。

Not really, but I was.

好的。

Okay.

要是只有你一个人在跟着唱，那听起来有点烦人。

That sounds kind of obnoxious if you were the only person singing along.

不过声音很小而已。

At a very low volume.

我又没像那样举着手机大喊《别回头怒》。

Like, I wasn't, like, up there waving my phone doing don't look back in anger.

咱们在聊什么呀？

Like, what are we talking about?

我就是有点……

I was just kind of

我会看这部电影的。

I would watch it.

你懂的？

You know?

我当时真的挺开心的。

I was I was I was having a good time.

我完全沉浸在那部很棒的纪录片里了。

I was in the moment of this very wonderful documentary.

好的。

Okay.

然后，当我们周六晚上离开利多岛去参加我们的派对时，绿洲乐队首映式的人正好到场。

And and so as we left the Lido on Saturday night to go to our party, like the Oasis premier people were arriving.

而且我没有看到利亚姆和诺埃尔坐水上出租车到达，就像我几小时前那样，但气氛确实很热闹。

And I didn't see Liam and Noel arrive on their water taxi as I had a few hours before, but it was it was convivial.

感觉就像是，这个地方就是当时该待的地方，大概持续了六七个钟头。

It was like, this is the place to be for about six or seven hours.

我在照片里是不是觉得他们俩彼此挺热络的？

Did I it seemed in the photos that they were they were warm to one another.

他们看起来确实互相拥抱了。

They seem to have embraced each other.

是啊。

Yeah.

嗯，这部纪录片里最动人的部分之一，因为整场巡演都被拍下来了，而且他们每场演出都拍了。

Well, one of the most moving things of the documentary because it's it's the whole tour, and so it's you know, they filmed every show.

还有那些蒙太奇片段，每次他们走上台，利亚姆抓住诺埃尔的手举起来，我也跟着一起举手。

And it's just the montages of every single time they walked on stage, Liam grabbing Noel's hand and holding it up, and I'm holding hands together.

而且那种重新找回的感情，如果说不是爱情，那至少也是深爱。

And the the the rediscovered, if not love I mean, love.

对。

Yes.

他们在电影里表达爱意的方式真的特别感人。

The way that they express love of this movie is so moving.

简直太不可思议了。

It was incredible.

太棒了。

That's great.

真不敢相信。

Can't believe it.

我本来这周打算看的。

I'm supposed to see it this week.

我很期待。

I'm looking forward to it.

真的，这段时间挺愉快的。

It's I mean, it's a delightful time.

所以，对，他们心情还不错。

So, yeah, they're in decent spirits.

我是说，还没好到能让诺尔穿上正经裤子而不是牛仔裤的地步，不过算了。

I mean, not decent enough to get Noel to, like, wear real pants instead of jeans, but whatever.

反正就是诺尔那种风格啦。

It's a Noel moof.

你是诺尔。

You are the Noel.

我是利亚姆。

I'm the Liam.

生活就是这样。

It's just how life goes.

对。

Yeah.

我对这个事实感到非常自豪。

I'm very proud of that fact.

所以，用你的话说，那是个很好的氛围。

So it was a good vibe is what you would say.

对。

Yeah.

确实很好，而且氛围很有趣。

It was it was good, and it was a fun vibe.

现在大家都在想，为什么我们还在这里，为什么我们还在看那些烂片？

Now everyone's like, why are we still here, and why are we seeing, like, junky movies?

我今天早上看了两部参赛电影，但我们真的不需要在这个播客里讨论它们。

The I saw two movies this morning in competition that I we don't really need to talk about on this podcast.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

有意思。

Interesting.

我们连提都不会提他们的名字。

We won't even utter their names.

我的意思是，我们可以提。

I mean, we can.

就是凯西·阿弗莱克导演的那部片子。

Their company directed by Casey Asfleck

哦。

Oh.

《家族成员》由弗洛里安·泽勒执导，主演是哈维尔·巴登和佩内洛普·克鲁兹。

Affleck and Bunker directed by Florian Zeller starring Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz.

好吧，知道在你看来这些片子都不成功，这倒是个好消息。

Well, it's good to know that that that those were not successful in in in your opinion.

对。

Yeah.

我是说，《家族成员》里的房子确实很漂亮。

I didn't I mean, it's a beautiful home in the in Bunker.

真的就像，

It's like a really,

真的。你知道的，我其实一直不太认可弗洛里安·泽勒的作品。

really As you know, I am a Florian Zeller denier.

我一直没太搞懂他。

I have never really I've never really understood.

我当时就在想你和阳光的事。

And and I was thinking about you and the sun.

电影看了大概三十分钟，我就觉得不行。

Like, thirty minutes into this movie, was like, no.

感觉我们完全没get到点。

This is we just we don't got it.

虽然有几场戏挺有意思的，但整体我觉得又傻又笨拙。

There are a couple interesting scenes, but I thought it was silly and inept.

所以

So

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我觉得这反映了电影节的经验，就是你进去的时候知道可能会有两三部你会喜欢的电影。

I mean, that's I think that speaks to the Film Festival experience, which is you go in knowing there's probably gonna be two or things two or three things you're gonna love.

你去那里，知道有两三部你非得看的电影，那是你去的原因之一。

You go there's two or three things you know you have to see that are like a part of the reason you went.

然后很多其他的就是碰运气。

And then a lot of it is a coin flip.

你知道，很多情况下我们真的不知道它会怎么发展，所以这里面有很多冒险的成分。

Know, a lot of it is we don't really know which way this is going to break, and so there is a lot of risk taking that comes into it.

那你有没有类似的时间管理安排？

And a lot of do you have the same kind of schedule time management?

因为我看到你一天要看两三部电影。

Because I see that you're seeing like two, maybe three movies a day.

当我在电影节上真的很拼的时候，我会试着看四部，有时候甚至五部，如果我真的疯了的话。

When I'm really going hard at a film festival, I'm trying to see four, and maybe even sometimes five if I'm really crazy.

今年我有一天看了四部，但在特柳赖德电影节上，排片策略挺有挑战性的，得确保能看到自己想看的片子。

This year, I only saw four on one day, but the the schedule stack strategy is challenging at Telluride to make sure that you get to see what you want.

今年我错过了一些影片，现在回想起来还挺后悔的。

And I missed some stuff this year that I I regret missing.

你在威尼斯电影节那边情况怎么样？

How how is that for you at Venice?

说实话，一天看四部真的非常难。

Well, the it's really, really hard to do four in a day.

我一天看了三部，全靠到处求公关帮我搞到首映礼的票。

I did three in a day, and that was from begging a lot of publicists to get me tickets to premieres.

因为这里的运作模式是这样的：有媒体场、市场放映，还有面向公众开放的首映和公映，这点挺不错的。

Because the way it works here is there are press screenings, there are market screenings, and then there are public screenings and and premieres that are also open to the public, which is cool.

所以你可以买张票直接去 Oasis 看《Don't Look Back in Anger》的首映，我对那些能去看的人真挺羡慕的。

So you can get you can buy a ticket and roll up to the Oasis Don't Look Back in Anger premiere, which I just I I'm excited for all of those people.

你的座位是预留好的吗？

And your seat is reserved?

首映场是的。

In the premieres, yes.

对。

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

座位是固定的。

You get an assigned seat.

所以呢，记者场的放映方式不太一样，但一天只放三部电影。

And so and, know, the press screenings work differently, but they they only show three press movies a day.

这些片子是分散在整个电影节期间放的。

They parcel them out over the course of the festival.

比如首映那天，每部电影会有两场记者场，之后还会安排一场补映。

And so, you know, they'll do two press screenings on premiere day for each movie, and then there will be, like, one makeup at a later date.

明白了。

Okay.

但其他场次都是公开的，所以你得跟别人抢票，很难买到。

But then everything else is public, and so you're competing with other people, and it's hard to get tickets.

而且有个售票平台，就是那个坎城售票平台，我敢说你到现在还会做噩梦。

And there is a ticketing platform, la the can ticketing platform that I'm sure you still have nightmares about.

所以想安排一个每天能看四部电影的日程表，真的很难。

And so it's hard to make the schedule work where you can get four every day.

对。

Yeah.

再加上交通这些琐事，住在丽都岛上也不容易，因为那是个小岛，住宿不多。

It's just then when you add in the logistics of it, it's hard to stay on the Lido because it's a small island with not that much accommodation.

所以坐船来回，你知道的，一天能排三部电影就算很不错了。

So the getting back and forth to it with the boats, you know, is the stacking three is the sign of a good day.

对。

Yeah.

听起来挺有挑战性的。

That sounds challenging.

我的意思是，特柳赖德最棒的一点就是它很容易掌控。

I mean, one of the wonderful things about Telluride is just the conquerability of it.

你知道，这里基本上只有七八个影院，分布在这个小镇上。你大概走个一千两百米就能横穿整个镇子，看完电影再折返也很方便。

You know, the fact that it is essentially seven or eight theaters that are spread across this small town, and you can walk roughly three quarters of a mile all the way across town, and just make it and bounce.

比如周六那天，我看了四部电影，而且没有一个是在同一个影院看的，所以我一直在来回跑。

And for example, on Saturday, I saw four movies, and none of them were in the same theater, so I was constantly walking back and forth.

当然，那天我走了大约一万五千步，但完全在可控范围内，并不累，而且还能留出足够的时间吃饭和排队等入场。

And sure, I got 15,000 steps that day, but it was totally manageable and not that hard, and still giving yourself time to eat and wait in line for the appropriate amount of time that you needed to.

对。

Right.

所以呢

And so

你们在排队吃饭吗？

Are you eating in line?

有时候如果去赫佐格那边，那儿有个卖热狗的小摊。

Sometimes if you're down at the Herzog, they have a hot dog stand.

所以特别方便，拿瓶佳得乐和根热狗，补充点能量和蛋白质，就能进影院看电影了。

So it's like very efficient to just grab a Gatorade and a hot dog, just power up, get some protein, get in a movie.

不过行吧。

But Okay.

这基本上就是你能做到的极限了。

That's like the best you can do.

另外镇上有家叫Brown Dog Pizza的披萨店，味道挺不错的。

A there's a pizza there's a pizza place in Telluride called Brown Dog Pizza, which is like a a great pizza place.

但你会觉得这里就像1984年的Spago餐厅一样。

But it's you would think that it's like Spago in 1984.

就是人挤人，到处都是人。

Like, is like just full of people.

想在那家披萨店找个座位，得等两个小时。

The wine is like it's like a two hour wait to get a seat at a pizzeria.

但是这里没有那种正式的、像小酒馆或者临时摊位的地方吗？

But there aren't like official, like, cantinas or like pop up places?

其实没有。

Not really.

我的意思是，它是个非建制镇，你懂的？

I mean, it's such an it's an unincorporated town, you know?

像那种大企业根本进不来。

Like, you can't bring in the big businesses.

也没有那样的赞助商。

There's no sponsors like that.

哦，对。

Oh, right.

我想他们是赞助商吧。

I guess they're the sponsors.

因为听我说，事情是这样的。

Because listen, here's the thing.

其实到处都能买到斯普利茨酒和薯片。

You can get a spritz and some potato chips literally anywhere.

我昨晚在马斯克那部纪录片第二部里偷偷塞了一段。

I I snuck one into part two of Musk last night.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

他们确实放了，那些薯片广告我是说，那片子足足四个小时长。

And they did and the potato chips come I mean, it was four hours long.

是的。

Yeah.

然后第二部分是关于特朗普和推特。

And and like part two was was Trump and Twitter.

所以我就想，那我就喝点起泡酒配这个吧。

So I was like, I'm gonna have a spritz for this.

那你们看电影的时候能带饮料进去吗？

So you can bring a cot like a drink into the screenings?

不行。

No.

我把它倒进了水瓶里。

I poured it into a water bottle.

好的。

Okay.

这感觉就像青春期孩子的行为一样。

It was like teenage behavior.

不过，你明白我的意思吗？

But like, do you do you understand

是伏特加橙汁鸡尾酒吗？

it's spring vodka screwdriver?

哇。

Wow.

所以那是第七天了。

So it was like day seven.

我还待在威尼斯，因为他们把电影放映时间拉长了。

I'm still in Venice because they spread the movies out.

所以你还待在威尼斯。

So you're still in Venice.

我想家了，还得再花两个小时看马斯克、特朗普和推特上的那些东西。

I'm homesick, and I have to watch two hour two more hours of Musk, Trump, and Twitter.

我就想，来杯阿佩罗橙光吧。

And I was like, I'm gonna have a spritz.

这杯酒里也没加金酒。

The spritz also no gin.

这算是我的一个小窍门吧，就是参加这个电影节。

This is kind of this has been my trick, this this festival.

对，那部分真的特别棒。

But, yeah, that part's amazing.

不管你去哪儿都能感受到。

Just everywhere you go.

到处都是那种氛围。

They're like here.

而且薯片是随饮料一起送的。

And the potato chips just come with the drink.

是啊。

Yeah.

因为我生病了，整个周末一点酒都没喝，这可能是件好事，说实话。

Because I was sick, there was zero alcohol consumption over the weekend, which is probably a good thing, honestly.

但是，嗯，我在想还有什么值得分享的关于特柳赖德的事，然后再聊电影本身。

But, yeah, I'm trying to think of what else I should share that is notable from Telluride before we get into the movies themselves.

你徒步旅行吗？

Do you hike?

通常不喝，嗯。

Don't usually have Yeah.

你知道，我完全不排斥。

You know, I'm not I'm not averse to it at all.

有趣的是，我刚刚在Instagram上发了照片，就像你在镇中心一样。

Part of part of the interesting thing, I was just posting photos on Instagram, it's just like you are in the middle of town.

你被壮丽的自然美景包围着。

You are surrounded by epic natural beauty.

我是说，这个城镇两边都被山脉环绕，走到哪儿都有河流。

I mean, the the town is surrounded on both sides by two mountain ranges, and there are rivers wherever you walk.

所以你就身处那些你原本会特意去徒步探索的核心地带。

And so you are really in the heart of what you would go hike to seek.

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

不用特意跑远去找。

It's not it's not like you have to go to find it.

现在电影节还有一部分是在山顶举办的，得坐缆车上去，那儿现在有两个影院。

Now, there there is an entire part of the festival that happens on top of the mountain where you take a gondola up, and there are two theaters up there now.

其中一个叫查克·琼斯电影院，今年又加了一个，叫马文影院。

One of them is called the Chuck Jones Cinema, and they added a second one this year called the Marvin.

我平时一般不去那边。

And I don't usually go up there.

不过如果你上去的话，那儿有座大酒店，很多明星和电影人都会住在那儿。

But if you go up there, there's a large hotel up there where a lot of the celebrities and filmmakers stay.

哦，挺有意思的。

Oh, interesting.

这基本上把电影节分成了两半。

That that sort of it sort of splits the festival in two.

我不太喜欢山上的那个影院，所以尽量避开它。

I don't like the theater as much on top of the mountain, so I try to avoid it as much as possible.

但有很多人大部分时间都待在那儿。

But there are a lot of people who spend most of their time up there.

在那儿还能徒步、骑车，也可以去钓鱼，能做的事情特别多。

And up there, there's also lots of hiking and cycling, and you can go fishing, and there's a lot of things you can do.

有趣的是，很多人住在那儿或者只是来镇上逛逛，根本不看电影，因为那边有派对和餐厅可以玩。

So a lot and that's the funny thing too is when you're there, there are a lot of people who just live there or who are just visiting the town to hang out with no intention of seeing any movies because there's parties and restaurants.

对，我们那儿也一样。

I mean, yeah, same here.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以虽然它不像威尼斯那样是世界闻名的全球性城市，但它依然能吸引不少游客，怎么说呢，就是那些普通老百姓，想着周末来看看这镇上都在发生什么事儿。

So even though it is not, you know, a world famous global capital like Venice, it still is like drawing a lot of, I guess, like, looky loos for lack of a better word, you know, just like regular folk who are like, I'm gonna see what's going on in this town this weekend.

所以来参加的人挺有意思的，跟纽约电影节那种情况不太一样。

So it's an interesting collection of people that are attending as opposed to, like, when you're at the New York Film Festival, and you're like, okay.

嗯，这些人就是专门来林肯中心看展映的。

Well, these people are here just to go to the screening at the Lincoln Center.

你懂吧？

You know?

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，这点挺有意思的。

I mean, that's fun about it.

还有一些人似乎是专门为了蹭这个节日的氛围才来的。

There are also people who seem to come here just to be adjacent to the festival.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know?

我说的这些人里，也包括一些公司。

And so and by people, I mean, like companies.

而且那边还有艺术展览，有派对，还有一些快闪店之类的各种活动。

And also there are art exhibits, and there are parties, and there are, you know, pop ups and and all sorts of stuff.

所以说，内容真的挺丰富的。

So it's I mean, it's a lot.

对。

Mhmm.

不过整体体验还是很棒的。

But it's pretty great.

我也这么觉得。

I agree.

咱们能去体验这个真的很幸运。

We're very lucky to be able to go do this.

那咱们来聊聊电影吧，毕竟大家最关心的就是这些。

So let's let's tell people about the movies because that's what they really wanna hear about.

挺有意思的，咱们片单重合度还挺高，尤其是排在前面的那些。

It's interesting how the amount of overlap that we have on our list, especially right at the top.

对。

Yeah.

所以你看那部电影《公司》。

So you got the movie Inc.

是的。

Mhmm.

然后我也看了那部电影《公司》。

And then I got the movie Inc.

对。

Yes.

还有《Ink》。

And Inc.

这是丹尼·博伊尔的新电影。

Is the new movie from Danny Boyle.

影片刻画了拉里·兰姆的形象，他是七十年代和八十年代一位颇具进取心的英国《舰队街》报纸编辑。

It is a portrait of Larry Lamb, who is a was an enterprising Fleet Street British newspaper editor in the seventies and eighties.

多亏了鲁珀特·默多克提供的资金支持和鼓励，他帮助重新定义了英国的新闻业。而且正如电影在两个小时内反复强调的那样，这种影响甚至可能改变了我们媒体和互动文化的本质？

And he, thanks to the financial capital and encouragement of one Rupert Murdoch, helped to redefine journalism in England, and perhaps as the film makes a point 100,000 times over the course of two hours, change the very nature of our media and in interactive culture?

电影确实提出了这个观点，没错，它就是这么说的。

It makes the point and also well, yes, it makes that point.

不过同时呢，它又没能把这个观点完全讲透，但这也没关系。

And then also somehow doesn't totally land it, but that's okay.

对。

Yeah.

所以，你知道的，你和我都把这部电影排在第五位，我觉得这挺有意思的，因为我们都特别喜欢丹尼·博伊尔。

So, you know, you and I both have this movie in the number five slot, which I find to be really interesting because we're both big Danny Boyle fans.

对。

Yeah.

你知道的，我们超爱《惊变28年》。

You know, we love twenty eight years later.

我们还聊过为什么他之前没上过这个节目，还有他的职业生涯意味着什么之类的。

We talked about why we have he you know, he hasn't been on the show before and, you know, like what his career means and all this.

这部电影在纸面上看非常适合他，我觉得它非常引人入胜且有趣。

This is a movie that makes a ton of sense for him on paper, and I found it to be incredibly engaging and entertaining.

从开场那一刻起就充满了活力，当那首快节奏的歌曲响起时，尤其是杰克·奥康奈尔和盖·皮尔斯饰演兰姆和默多克在餐桌上的那段精彩互动之后，我就觉得，哇，这简直就是一部典型的丹尼· Boyle式电影。

It was, like, very energetic from the opening moments when when the sprint song hits and, you know, after this wonderful sequence between Jack O'Connell and Guy Pearce, who play Lamb and Murdoch at a dinner table, I was like, boom, we're in like a flying Danny Boyle movie.

我特别兴奋。

I was pumped.

不过我得说，等到电影快结束时，看到里面做的一些决定，我心里就想：行了，我们都懂。

And I but I will say by the time we got to the end of the movie and some of the decisions that were made, I was like, sir, we know.

你懂吧？

You know?

对，我们确实知道。

Like, we we do we do know.

还有，你说的那个具体决定，我觉得这电影根本配不上那个结局。

And also and there's one specific decision that you're talking about that I'm like, sir, this movie didn't earn that totally.

我知道你想让它那样，但我不确定是原著小说的问题，还是剧本本身没写好，或者只是稍微收着点没放开。

I know you wanted it to, and I don't know whether that's the source material or whether the script were or it just pulled back a little bit.

我完全同意。

So I completely agree.

我觉得它不错，但算不上出色。

I think it's good, not great.

我之前跟朋友评价这部电影时，也用了“极具吸引力”这个词，而且配乐真的很震撼。

I think the review I gave to a friend of ours was I also used the word incredibly engaging, really loud music.

里面的演员都挺帅的。

Everyone looks handsome.

对。

Yes.

我现在就想说，杰克·奥康奈尔去试镜007还完全来得及。

And I would like to say right now that it is not too late for Jack O'Connell to test for James Bond.

真的还不晚。

It is not too late.

他在电影里都穿过燕尾服了，穿起来也没问题。

This man wears a tux in the movie, and he can wear the tux.

好的。

Okay.

我现在对他挺复杂的。

I I have some complicated feelings about him right now.

首先，他演戏的时候就像一列失控的火车。

Because one, he's like he's a freight train as an actor.

他确实魅力十足，状态也特别专注，但他现在有点处于一种比较危险的境地，我管它叫‘尼古拉斯·凯奇区’，就是那种一直特别火、特别红的状态。

He is, like, so charismatic and locked in, but he's in a little bit of a dangerous area that I'll call the Nick Cage zone, where he's like really big all the time now.

他的表演里很少有安静沉思的时刻。

And there are very few moments of quiet reflection happening in any of his performances.

也许这就是他想在电影里呈现的那种表演风格。

And maybe that's the kind of film performances he wants to give.

但是，你知道，这部电影，《惊变28年》《骨庙》《罪人》《回到黑色》《法拉利》，这些是他最近拍的几部电影，其中很多是好电影或者有意思的电影，他的表演也不错，但都是高能的那种，对。

But, you know, this film, twenty eight Years Later, The Bone Temple, Sinners, Back to Black, Ferrari, like, these are the last few movies he's made, many of which are good movies or interesting, and his performances are good, but they are high octane, like Yeah.

超级表演，他现在正处在悬崖边上。

Mega performances, and he's he's on a precipice here.

我不是鼓励他去拍那种安静的小众文艺片什么的，但有时候我会想，我们这真的有点用力过猛了。

I'm not encouraging him to, like, make a Quiet Chamber piece or anything, but there were times when I was like, we this is really cranked hard.

嗯，整部电影都用力过猛。

Well, the whole movie is cranked hard.

确实。

It is.

确实。

It is.