尼克斯奇迹（以及马刺队史最惨烈崩盘）、迷你问答环节与世界杯前瞻 | 乔·豪斯、柯克·戈德斯伯里、安东尼·达邦多与萨利舅舅

这笔引援。

that acquisition.

你让我去跟史蒂文·A抢功劳吗？

Oh, want me to the Steven A and start taking credit?

我能拿到一枚冠军戒指吗？

Do I get a championship ring?

关键是，每次到了交易截止日，我们做这些播客时都会这么说。

The thing is, we always talk at the trade deadline when we do these pods.

他是季后赛型球员，能上场打季后赛，适合这个系列赛，他准能爆发。

Oh he's a playoff guy, oh you can play him in a playoff game, oh that's somebody in the right series, he'll have a moment.

他就是这种球员，在新奥尔良的时候你就看出来了，不过对上尼古拉·武切维奇，可能就不算这类人。

And he's one of those guys, you could see it in New Orleans, and you know, versus Nikola Vucevic, maybe not one of those guys.

OG·阿奴诺比，这交易也堪称神来之笔。

OG Anunobi, also a masterpiece of a trade now.

那次交易也是。

Like, at that deal too.

我的意思是，尼克斯管理层用这笔交易打造了这套阵容，确实值得一些肯定，

I mean, the Knicks front office deserves a little bit of credit for putting this group together with that trading tool, not

但我们真该给他们这么多赞誉吗？

just Can we give them a lot of credit?

这支球队的管理层表现太出色了。

This has been an amazing front office.

没错。

Yeah.

这绝对是

This is

近年来

one of

最出色的管理成就之一。

the best jobs anyone's done.

确实。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

我的意思是，那些幕后的人员——管理层和教练组，确实是他们赢下这场比赛的关键原因。

I mean, so I think, yeah, that the the the guys behind the scenes, the front office and the coaching staff are a big reason why they won this game.

我觉得这太重要了。

I think that's that's huge.

而且。

And

对。

yeah.

你知道还有什么别的原因吗？

You know what's another you know what's another reason?

马刺队彻底崩盘了，这可能是历史上最严重的崩盘。

The Spurs completely choked that it was the biggest You choke in the history of the

你不是说不打算说他们崩盘吗，比尔。

said you weren't gonna call it a choke, Bill.

天哪。

Jeez.

我不太喜欢用‘崩盘’这个词，但当一支球队整体表现失常，眼睁睁把领先优势丢掉，最后关键时刻频频失误、罚球不进、关键篮板没抢住，这种种情况加在一起，说它是崩盘也不算冤枉。

I don't love the word choke, but when it's a collective team, and you blow a lead like that, and what happens happens down the stretch, and then you have major brain farts, and missed free throws, and you're not boxing out on the biggest rebound of the game, and all that stuff, like that unfortunately is gonna count as a choke.

顺便说一句，曼哈顿那边可能闹翻天了。

One small aside, Manhattan might be on fire.

我正看着呢。

I'm looking

天啊，我的天。

at Oh my my god.

那边场面可真热闹。

There's a lot

到处都是响声，喇叭声不断，还有

of loud noises, a lot of honking, and a lot

全是庆祝的喧闹。

Just of be celebration.

大家好，先别走

Everybody Well, stay

咱们聊聊这个吧，我们在这儿聊了二十分钟，居然还没提过这支五十三年没赢过的尼克斯队。

let's talk about that, because we've spent twenty minutes here, and didn't talk about this Knicks team that hasn't won in fifty three years.

球迷们可炸了，我从现场的人那儿听说，从三场比赛的特朗普，到四场比赛的裁判，球迷们全处在一种紧张又愤怒的狂躁状态，这股情绪直接影响了球队——这就是我从看台上听到的说法。

The fans are at it, they're so I'm hearing from people at the game, and they're like, the refs have just, between Trump in game three and the refs in game four, the fans are just in this nervous, angry frenzy, and it's like affecting the team, was the message I was getting from the stands.

现场的气氛简直太诡异了

Like the energy is The way

球迷的情绪确实影响了球队

fan energy was affecting the team is

球迷的躁动让一切都乱了套

what it's Fan energy was just, nothing was right.

他们简直得跌到谷底，才能爬起来，结果这一场赢球，不仅成了尼克斯队史最疯狂的时刻，也是整个联盟历史上最激动人心的胜利之一。

It was almost like they had to hit rock bottom to come out of it, and then it turns into one of the most joyous events, not only in the history of the Knicks, but in the history of the league to win that game.

天哪

Dude.

凯尔特人赢球的时候，是在洛杉矶打的客场。

When the Celtics won their game, it was on the road in LA.

我们很少看到这样的主场逆转，但这次逆转很可能让他们最终夺冠，成为体育史上最具标志性的逆转之一，不只是篮球，而是所有运动里都罕见的。

We don't see a lot of home comebacks like that, but that ends up being, they're probably gonna win the title, that becomes one of the most iconic comebacks in any sport, not just basketball.

比尔，我们去纽约都上百次了，可从没见这城市这么疯狂过。

Well, we've all been to New York City a 100 times, Bill, and I've never seen it like this.

整个城市都炸了，你走在街上，每个人身上都穿着尼克斯的球衣，人人都在聊尼克斯。

It is so electric, everybody you walk by on the street has a Knicks shirt on, everybody's talking about the Knicks.

出租车司机都在讨论这事，我们听别人说过，但现场的气氛真的太燃了。

It it the the cabbies that the we've heard other people talking about it, but it is electric in there.

不过老兄，这支球队压力太大了，我觉得比赛里某段时间，他们确实有点乱了阵脚。

But, dude, there is a lot of pressure on this team, and I thought at some point in this game, they lost some of their composure.

米奇对文班亚马使了肘子。

Mitch throws that elbow at Wemby.

文班亚马那表情，明显是说：我早就看穿你了，那一刻真让人惊呆了。

Wemby's motioningly, I'm in your head, and it was like, oh, wow.

然后阿尔瓦拉多直接把文班亚马的腿抬了起来。

And then Alvarado, like, picked up Wemby's leg.

是的。

Yeah.

这怎么就不算恶意犯规呢？

How was that not a flagrant, by the way?

我不太清楚恶意犯规的判定标准是什么。

I don't what are the flagrant fouls?

那时候现场的观众气氛太热烈了。

The crowd at that time.

我完全同意。

I totally agree

没错。

with that.

你说得对。

You're right.

我觉得KG说得对。

I think KG's on the money.

他们觉得，现场观众的气氛太不对劲了。

They're like, we don't like the energy in this crowd.

裁判也不喜欢这种氛围。

The refs didn't like it.

他们当时

They were

害怕坐在前排那群七十多岁的亿万富翁。

terrified of all those seventy two year old billionaires sitting in the first row.

杰里·戴维斯正要，不，是打算

Jerry Davis was coming No, for a

他们确实如此，而且我觉得下半场尼克斯的对抗明显加强了，这本来就应该这样。

they definitely, and then I thought in the second half, thought the Knicks got way more physical, which they should have done.

你知道吗，马刺队每次在这系列赛里遇到麻烦，就干脆不再冲击篮下了。

And you know, the Spurs, every time they would get in trouble in this series, would just stop going to the basket.

所以在整个总决赛期间，卡斯特对他们来说特别关键。

And that's why Castle was so important to them throughout the finals.

但他上场时间太少，他们确实缺了这个人。

And then just him not playing enough, they kind of missed their guy.

算了，豁出去了。

Was like, fuck it.

我直接杀到篮下。

I'm going to the basket.

我当时和克里斯·沃勒斯一起看了第七场，就是那个俄克拉荷马城系列赛，我跟他一起看的。

And just I was watching I watched game seven with Chris Wohlers, Name Drop, and I was watching it with him, the Oklahoma City series.

他对我说，他需要的是一个进攻动作。

And he said to me, he's like, what he needs is move.

他到底有什么进攻手段？

What's his move?

那时候，如果二十五年前马刺遇到这种情况，肯定就是蒂姆在左侧低位，背身靠打，挑篮过肩，靠篮板进球。

And in those moments, like, Timmy had we knew what if the Spurs were going through this twenty five years ago, it would be Tim on the left block over the right shoulder off the glass.

你知道的，他得把这招练出来。

You know, he needs to develop that.

就在这些时候，迈克·布赖恩特总觉得他们根本不知道该打什么战术。

And in these moments when Mike Brain's like, it just feels like they don't know what play they wanna get to.

这时候，超级巨星就得有几招稳得住的绝活。

That's where your superstar needs to have some bread and butter action.

说到你刚才讲的，比尔，你知道谁有这种本事吗？

And to your earlier point, Bill, you know who has that?

杰伦·布伦森。

Jalen Brunson.

他能轻松到肘区。

He can get to the elbow.

他能稳稳地后撤步三分。

He can do the step back three.

他能杀进内线，制造犯规。

He can get into the lane and draw a foul.

对这些年轻球员来说，这真是个难得的学习机会。

And it just feels like that was a real learning moment for these young guys.

真正成熟的NBA球员和不成熟的球员，区别就在这儿，这场比赛最关键的回合里表现得清清楚楚。

Like, that's the difference between a mature NBA player and an immature NBA player, and that was on full display in the most important possessions of this game.

你说得太对了，我想问你关于文班亚马的事，但说实话，这种时候我最想把球交给哈珀，比尔都摇头了。

That's such a good point, and I wanna ask you a question about Wemby, but to me, honestly, the guy that I want having the ball under those circumstances that I trust going to the hole, and Bill's already shaking his head, is Harper.

哈珀才是我最想让他拿球、掌控节奏的人。

Harper's the guy, the playmaker that I want to get those touches.

就是那种末尾阶段，让福克斯持球的时刻。

Those Fox touches at the at the end.

福克斯那记三分确实投进了，而且是个关键三分。

Now Fox did nail that three, and that was a humongous three.

但我觉得，为什么最后那些回合不给哈珀，原因很简单——他才二十出头吧。

But I think, you know, the only reason that it's not Harper in those possessions at the end is just because, you know, he's he's what is he?

二十多岁而已。

20 whatever years old.

对。

Yeah.

这是他第一次进入

And this is his first time in

联盟。

the league.

不过我有个问题。

But here's my question.

还有，他们总是选择投三分，而不是冲击篮筐。

And they were settling for threes over just going to the basket, was the other thing.

这转折也太自然了。

What a segue.

铺垫得真好。

What a setup.

KG，这可不兴这么玩啊。

KG, it can't be the case.

马刺队不可能希望维克托三分之一的出手都是三分球吧。

It can't be the case that the Spurs want Victor shooting a third taking a third of his attempts from three.

这根本说不通，他们不可能真偏好这种打法。

It just can't be the case that that's per that they prefer that.

这完全说不通，他

It doesn't make any He

他就是想这么打。

wants it.

他们明明想

They three want

出手次数？

point attempts?

八次三分球出手。

Eight three point attempts.

我不明白他为什么这么怕罚球线附近的跳投。

I don't know why he's so afraid of foul line jumpers.

总觉得他投篮那会儿，球好像总能进，就是罚球线和三分线顶弧之间的那个点。

It feels like, I always think they're going in, like that little spot like between the foul line and the top of the key.

你说他还没稳定投篮，其实他该练个跑动勾手，或者类似的动作，对，就是那样。

When you talk about he doesn't have a shot yet, the shot should be like a running jump hook or some sort of Yeah.

我手臂往上一抬，然后轻轻一甩就下去了。

I'm sticking my arm up in the air and kind of just flicking it down.

但他才22岁，再过五年，变化会很大的。

But that's the thing, he's 22 in five years.

想想历史上那些顶级球员，每年都会给自己的技术添新东西，他肯定也会。

Like think of all the great players over the years who every year they added something to their game, so he's gonna add something.

至于你问他的招牌动作是什么，我觉得其实是他举着手冲篮下强打，然后接空接——这赛季尼克斯队开始这么对付他了，他们总推他。

I think, House, to answer your question about what's his move, like, I actually think it's that hard roll to the basket with his hand up and the alley oop, and what the Knicks were starting to do during this series is they're shoving them.

他们推他，其实就是在球还没出手前就犯规了，这样不算投篮犯规，今天光是这一招他们就用了至少五次吧？

They they're pushing They're basically committing a foul before it touches it, so it's not a shooting foul, and they must have done that five times today?

完全就是在他准备扣篮前把他推歪，而不是等他扣篮时再犯规。

Totally Where they're shoving him off balance as he's about to get the dunk versus fouling him as he's getting the dunk.

这招挺聪明的。

And it was smart.

我觉得尼克斯在这轮系列赛里赢下了所有争议判罚，这又是一次。

They've done I think the Knicks have won every challenge they've had in this series, that's another one.

他们真是训练有素。

Like, they're just like really well coached.

虽然第一节他们防守松散，被揍得够呛，但说到底，这是一支头脑冷静的球队，关键就体现在福克斯那个回合上。

Now it didn't seem like that in the first quarter when they weren't playing defense and getting their asses kicked, yeah, it's just a smart cerebral team, and it comes down to plays like that Fox play.

福克斯没耗时间，奥格意识到对方可能要上篮，直接封盖，没犯规。

Fox not dribbling out the clock, OG realizing he might actually go for the layup and somehow blocking it, not fouling them.

接着他们转到进攻端。

Then they're playing the other end.

温迪，我知道这么说不太妥当，但我还是得这么说。

A Wendy standpoint, Kirk, I hate to frame it this way, but I'm gonna do anyway.

也许这就是文班亚马要经历的——得被狠狠踢一脚，才能在长远来看变得更强大，毕竟所有顶尖运动员都逃不过这种磨难。

Maybe this is the WEMBY, I need to be kicked into the nuts as hard as possible, and this will make me stronger for the long term loss that seemingly all great athletes have.

是的。

Yeah.

这可是公认的传说。

I mean, that's the lore.

对吧？

Right?

这本来就是普遍的看法。

That's the conventional wisdom.

我还没打算放弃这个系列，但如果他们输了，没人会怀疑——那个罚球命中率90%的球员，在赛季最关键的罚球时刻两罚全失，这问题出在脑子里，比尔。

I'm still not ready to give up on this series, but if they lose, there's no question that the 90% free throw shooter go into the line for the most important free throws of a season and going o for two in that situation, that's in between the ears, Bill.

而且，我觉得他

And, yeah, I I think he

他确实是出色的罚球手。

has He's a great free throw shooter.

这正是另一个问题。

That's the other problem

他说的是90%

with He said 90%.

是的

Yeah.

不是的

No.

事情就是那样，简直更糟了，我心里想，我知道他累了，可他平时在这方面特别稳啊。

And it was just like that, like, that made it worse because I thought, I know he's tired, but he's great at this.

我以为他肯定能进，结果两个都没进。

He's gonna make these, and didn't make either.

是的

Yeah.

然后卡斯特上场，全进了，我觉得这些数据可能只是碰巧，

And then Castle goes up and makes them, and I I feel like there is you could say those are just random numbers.

但我可不这么看。

I don't believe that.

我觉得是心态和体力两方面的问题。

I think there was a poise and a fatigue thing.

还有一点，维克托的耐力确实不如斯蒂芬·库里这些顶级球员。那些球员多年来一直在打磨身体素质和体能，到了第四节这种关键时刻，库里肯定是状态最好、跑动最积极、跳投最准、罚球最稳的那一个。

And that's the other thing is Victor is not the most he doesn't have the endurance of somebody like Stephen Curry or these great players we've seen who've worked on their physiques and their conditioning for years and gotten to the point where at the end of the fourth quarter of games exactly like this, Stephen Curry is gonna be the one who's in the best shape running around, making his jumpers, hitting those exact kinds of free throws.

在我看来，维克托也面临着体能方面的挑战，这几场末节比赛的表现正好印证了这一点。

And it does it does look like it to me that that Victor has a conditioning challenge ahead of him too, and these late games were kind of prove it.

咱们想想库里。

Well, think about Steph.

他那些脚踝的问题是什么时候出现的？其实直到第四年、第五年，他才真正找到了自己的状态。

When did he hit all the ankle stuff and wasn't really until like year four, year five when he started around into who he is.

House，你觉得这系列赛现在的盘口是多少？

House, what do you think the what do you think the gambling line in this series is right now?

你得猜一下。

You have to guess.

哦，大概是初始盘口反过来那样吧。

Oh, whatever it opened at, but flipped.

马刺队领先两分吧？现在是不是更多了？

The Spurs were two to Is one it more than that now?

是的。

It is.

哦。

Oh.

哦，这样啊。

Oh, okay.

我觉得他们是在考虑今天发生的巧克力事件。

I think they're factoring in the Chocola that happened today.

尼克斯队在FanDuel上赔率是-400。

Minus 400 for the Knicks on FanDuel.

-400。

Minus 400.

好吧。

Alright.

是的

Yeah.

哇

Wow.

所以

So

听起来没错

That sounds right.

意思是

Mean

休息两天，所以是的

Two days off, so Yeah.

好吧，如果你是马刺队，我们来分析一下，假设你是马刺队

Alright, if you're the Spurs, let's go through this if you're the Spurs.

你有两天休息时间，直到周六才比赛，然后你就回家了

You get two days off, you don't play till Saturday, you're going home.

你在最后两分钟的四场比赛中都领先，我觉得最后那一分钟里你有三场是领先的。

You led all four games in the final two minutes, and I think you led three of them in the final minute.

你经历了最近几届总决赛中最令人难忘的两次末节崩盘：一次是文班亚马传球失误，另一次是卡斯特尔斯在第二场回防失误，再加上这场比赛最后几分钟发生的一切。你可能会安慰自己说，没事，一场比赛一场比赛来，咱们能跟他们打，这支球队并不比咱们强，他们还没真正赢过咱们，每场球咱们都领先，最多的时候领先十七分、二十九分，咱们就按自己的节奏打，别被带偏了。

You had two of the most memorable last minute collapses in the recent history of the finals with Wemby throwing the pass off, Castles back in game two, and then basically everything that happened in the last couple minutes of this, and you you could talk yourself into, alright, come on, one game at a time, we can play with these guys, this team's not better than us, they haven't really beaten us yet, we've led double figures in every game, we've had leads of like seventeen and twenty nine, and you know, let's just let's just play our game, don't get carried away.

除了可能没让文班亚马打那么多时间，米奇·约翰逊还做了什么不一样的事？

But what does Mitch Johnson do differently other than maybe not playing Wimby that many minutes?

我觉得他们得重新找回之前对尼克斯时那种打得特别顺的感觉。

I think they gotta just do what they they were playing so much better than the Knicks for that first

上半场。

half.

是的。

Yeah.

整整一小时。

For an hour.

他到底哪里不一样？

What does he do differently?

我不确定。

I I don't know.

我觉得有一件事我想让你提一下，之前你提到过，不一定要针对哈珀，但可以专门针对杰伦·布伦森的防守。

I think one of the things I wanted to see you sort of brought it up earlier, and it doesn't have to be Harper, but, like, pick on Jalen Brunson on defense.

对，没错。

Like Yeah.

你有三个极具攻击性的后场球员。

Run you have these three ferocious attack guards.

达伦·福克斯可能没平时那么凶猛了。

Darren Fox, maybe not as ferocious as normal.

他还是带着伤。

He's still dinged up.

我们能不能专门针对布伦森的防守，把他拖垮？

But could we could we pick on Brunson on defense, wear him out?

那你不打算针对OG和伊诺博吗？

So you wouldn't pick on OG and Innobe?

这就是你想要改变的一点吗？

That's one of your of the things you'd change?

我不会去针对他。

I wouldn't pick on

别去针对OG和Nobe。

Don't pick on OG and Nobe.

我得记下来。

I'm gonna write that down.

Josh Hart或者Bridges不错，但我会故意让Cat陷入犯规麻烦，然后派上我的三名进攻型后卫。

Josh Hart or bridges is good like but yeah, I would I would try to get cat in foul trouble on purpose, and I would attack with my fleet of attack guards.

我会在突破时专门针对Jalen Brunson单打。

I would isolate and attack Jalen Brunson in drive situations.

其实，Tat陷入犯规麻烦，正是那一次的关键影响。

Well, very quietly, that was the impact Tat of Castle getting into foul trouble.

当时场上的是Chia Hao Tat。

It was it was Chia Hao Tat who was out there.

查亚上场了大部分时间，打了三十三分钟。

Chia got the majority, got thirty three minutes to cast.

他才26岁。

He's 26.

今晚他彻底打爆了对手。

And he killed them tonight.

至少在进攻端是这样，他在对阵雷霆的系列赛里可是关键人物。

At least offensively, and that's somebody that was huge for them in the OKC series.

再提一点。

And one more one more point on

延续一下。

carried over.

再补充一点。

One more point.

马刺在系列赛中赢下的那唯一一场，谁陷入了犯规麻烦？

When the Spurs won their only game in the series, guess who was in foul trouble?

是杰伦·布伦森，因为他们一直在针对他进攻。

Jalen Brunson because they were attacking him.

他拿了四次犯规，不得不下场，这影响可太大了。

He got those four fouls, he had to sit out, and and that was a huge factor.

没有布伦森在场上，尼克斯的后卫线根本防不住。

And the Knicks without Brunson on the floor are completely guardable.

这可能是我今年季后赛见过的，唯一一个被单个防守者彻底打爆的例子——就像如果我是米斯·约翰逊，我也会让尼克斯反复冲击哈登。

And it's almost like the only time I've seen somebody really expose one defender this playoffs, like I would try to do if I were miss Johnson, was the Knicks going after Harden over and over and over and over again in that series.

我希望看到这些后卫在防守端，对杰伦·布伦森采取更激进的针对性策略。

I would like to see a really sort of aggressive targeting of Jalen Brunson on defense by these guards.

我在想还有没有其他著名的临场崩盘案例，最近几周大家常提到的就是95年魔术队那场，四次罚球全没进。

I'm trying to remember other famous, like, last minute collapses like this, and another one that has come up a few times over the last few weeks was that 95 Magic with the four missed free throws.

那是尼克·安德森连续四次罚球不中，情况来得更突然。

Now that was like Nick Anderson four in a row, that was more abrupt.

比赛当时就结束了，直接进加时，后来我们聊完上一期播客，我又回看了一下，发现哈基姆在加时最后不到一秒时补篮绝杀，那支年轻的球队一下子就垮了。

The game was over, it goes into overtime, and then I actually went back and watched it after we talked about it in the last pod, and think I Hakim gets a tip in with like under a second left in OT to win it, and that young team cratered.

打完第二场的时候，大家总觉得马刺可能会崩盘。

There was a feeling maybe that would happen to the Spurs after game two.

结果并没有。

Didn't happen.

温迪是咱们见过最有自信的年轻球星之一，他完全可以直说：哥们儿，我确实累了。

And Wendy is one of the most confident young stars we've ever had, and he could just say, look man, I got worn out.

我当时啥都想干。

I was trying to do everything.

我快疯了，但我还是觉得，我是这轮系列赛里最强的球员。

I was going nuts, but I still feel like I'm the best player in this series.

没有卡斯尔的犯规麻烦，文班亚马立刻回应了。

So no Castle foul trouble, Wemby responds.

你还想咋样，豪斯？

What else do you need House?

再来个迪伦·哈珀？

More Dylan Harper?

关于KG之前提到的那点，我想说一下。

Well I will say this to KG's observation earlier.

从周一打完球紧接着周三又打，这种短间隔的比赛，后面不会再有了。

The short turnaround time going from a Monday game to a Wednesday game, we don't have any more of those.

整个系列赛剩下的赛程确实如此。

Over the balance of this series Yep.

接下来是周六、周二、周五，我想第七场就是周五。

We have we go Saturday, Tuesday, Friday, I think, is is game seven.

按照这个赛程安排，对文班亚马来说，确实是个积极的信号。

So with that cadence, for sure that's a step in the right direction for Wemby.

但说实话，看看这些比赛是怎么打的，我觉得没什么大的调整空间了。

But I mean, honestly, the way these games have played out, I don't think that there are are big moves to to be made.

马刺队其实离赢球就差一点点。

I mean, Spurs were were right there.

差别就在于第四节多进两个球，那样他们就赢了，也许……

The difference is knocking down two more shots in the fourth quarter, and and they win And maybe

在耗时间运球。

dribbling at the clock.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Mhmm.

还有什么要补充的吗，柯克？

Any last notes, Kirk?

是的。

Yeah.

这周我一直在跟人说，我有个问题想问你。

I've been telling people all week, like, well, I have a question for you.

但这两支球队其实很接近，就像抛七次硬币，正面赢了五次，你就说‘反面真差’。

But it's like, these teams are very close, and it's almost like if we flip the coin together seven times and heads won five of them, be like, man, tails sucks.

你懂的。

You know?

对我来说，这个系列赛的胜负真的就差那么一点。

That's how close the series is to me.

但我有个问题想问你，比尔·西蒙斯，你可是我们这个时代最伟大的体育作家，可你却退休了。

But here's my question for you, Bill Simmons, because you're the the greatest sports writer of our time, but you retired.

我有。

I have

得写一场五的前瞻，我得写一场五的前瞻。

to write I have to write the game five look ahead.

所以我想问问乔·豪斯，如果你们网站The Ringer能把这个任务交给我，明天比赛五的前瞻，你们觉得该怎么写？

So I think Joe House If will let me the sports guy had the assignment that I have at your website, theringer.com for for tomorrow, what what what are we thinking for game five?

当卡斯特尔在场上时，你们对布伦森的防守效果不错。

Your Brunson defense when Castle can stay on the court is working.

我不确定。

I don't know.

我们还没看到具体数据，你知道的，我特别喜欢赛后上来聊，但对一些高级数据还不清楚，真想知道卡斯特尔在场和不在场时，对布伦森的防守效果差别有多大。

We haven't seen like this is the you know, I love coming on after these games, but not knowing what some of the advanced stats are, I'd love to know the on off, when Castle's out there, when he's not against Brunson.

因为感觉当卡斯特上场对位布伦森时，他完全跟不上布伦森的节奏。

Because it feels like when Castle's out there against Brunson, he has a hard time looking like Brunson.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yeah.

所以第一件事就是，卡斯特，你得尽量留在场上，我们赢球的希望全靠你了。

So So that'd be the first thing, it's like, hey Castle, like just try to stay in the game for us because you're our best chance for this.

哈珀拿球越多，越能自由发挥，我就觉得他们状态越好。

Harper, the more he has the ball, ad libbing doing Harper stuff, I just feel like they're in a better position.

我不会再给他那个底角三分了，就是不给。

I'm not giving OG that corner three anymore, I'm just not.

就算得牺牲其他东西我也认了，但他现在投篮几乎百发百中，就算没进，他也能沿底线突破制造机会，你真得认真对待他了。

If I have to give up other stuff, that's fine, but he's it's just going in every time now, and if it doesn't go in, he's beating somebody down the baseline and creating something else, like you have to start treating him, think, like take him a little more seriously.

我对尼克斯替补席上谁都不怕。

I'm not afraid of anyone on that Knicks bench.

麦克布莱德和嘉浩的状态都不太对劲。

McBride and Chia Hao have gone sideways.

阿尔瓦拉多关键时刻挺身而出，但说实话，他本来是他们最后才想到的选项，这系列赛根本不是米奇的舞台。

Alvarado came up big, but he was really like the last guy they could put out there, and this hasn't felt like it's the series for Mitch.

只能继续逼迫唐斯，指望他犯傻。

And then just hope keep trying to challenge Towns, and hope he does dumb stuff.

他那个第三次犯规真是蠢透了。

That third foul he had was really stupid.

典型的明尼苏达唐斯式犯规，一看就是没脑子。

Like, you know, that was a classic Minnesota Towns foul.

我也不太确定。

So I don't know.

还有别的要说吗，豪斯？

What else would you add, House?

没了。

Nothing.

从叙事角度看，有意思的是，下半场我们看到的正是尼克斯每次面对淘汰赛时的样子。

Mean in terms of the narrative, the interesting thing to me is what we got in that second half is the version of the Knicks each time they had a closeout game in front of them.

领先对手，你知道吗，那会儿比分是58比30。

Go up on teams, you know that was 58 to 30.

那你说怎么样？

Well, guess what?

我们之前在对阵老鹰时就见过这一幕。

We watched that against Atlanta.

每次尼克斯有机会终结系列赛，我们都看过这种表现。

We watched that against every time this Knicks team had a chance to close somebody out.

这对我来说才是最耐人寻味的地方。

And so that's the fascinating thing to me.

这次是面对一支和东部球队完全不同的对手，而尼克斯过去可是把东部球队打得落花流水。

This is a closeout game against a team that is entirely different character than the Eastern Conference teams the Knicks went up against and and just ran them off the floor.

我真心挺喜欢马刺队的。

I honestly love the Spurs.

我不确定盘口会不会还像以前那样，马刺主场让四分半到五分半左右。

Now I don't know that the the line's gonna open up at what it's been, Spurs at home, four and a half, five and a half, something like that.

我不会因为尊重尼克斯就主动让分，但我

I'm not gonna lay the points out of respect to the Knicks, but I

说实话，我觉得马刺会闻到托尼·布罗尔斯执法的味道。

honestly It's think that Spurs are gonna the smell of a Tony Brothers game.

哦。

Oh.

他有那种感觉。

He's got the whiff.

我闻到犯规了。

I smell fouls.

哎，我又闻到一次犯规。

Oh, I just smelled another foul.

是啊，这感觉就像是一场托尼专属的比赛。

Yeah, it feels like this would be a Tony special.

我们也没看到福斯特出场了

We also haven't seen Foster in

好一阵子了。

a while.

我本来以为体育评论员会说这个。

What I thought the sports guy was gonna say.

但也许我们可以留着他在

But maybe we save

第六场在麦迪逊广场花园再让他上场，让他在百老汇的聚光灯下大展身手。

him for game six at the Garden, a chance for him to be under the bright lights of Broadway and do his thing.

她。

Her.

那个钩子，特朗普。我觉得如果尼克斯再输这场，纽约球迷对他的厌恶会达到前所未有的程度。

The hook, Trump, who I think if the Knicks had lost this game too, I think the New York City fan base hatred of Trump would have gone to this level that would have never been seen before.

然后如果输了这场，乔什·哈特也会成为另一个焦点，就像我们之前说的。

And then Josh Hart would have been the other one if they lose that game, like we mentioned.

他立刻坐在了查尔斯·史密斯旁边，而查尔斯正经历着尼克斯队历史上最糟糕的时刻之一。

He's immediately taken a seat next to Charles Smith with one of the worst moments in Knicks history.

另一个讽刺的是，尼克斯球迷其实特别喜欢乔什·哈特，可偏偏是他，眼看就要扣篮了，结果发现距离太远，根本够不着。

The other irony of it is Knicks fans love Josh Hart, so of all people And it looked like he was gonna dunk, but then realized his steps were too far away, and couldn't do it.

所以，霍斯觉得马刺队在第五场还有希望。

So, alright, so House thinks the Spurs are still alive in game five.

我同意，但我认为他们不可能连续赢下尼克斯三场。

I think I agree, but I don't think they can beat the Knicks three times in a row.

我不觉得。

I don't

除非出现什么伤病或者特别意外的情况，不然他们赢不了。

think they Without some sort of injury or something weird happening.

如果双方阵容完整，我不觉得尼克斯会连输三场。

If these are the teams and everyone's healthy, I don't see the Knicks losing three times in a row.

如果他们真赢了第五场，第六场就值得期待了。

If obviously they win game five, game six will be fascinating.

我的意思是，在麦迪逊广场花园，在曼哈顿，面对这样的球迷群体，去争夺NBA总冠军。

I mean, a chance to win the NBA championship in Madison Square Garden in Manhattan with this fan base.

那压力可不小。

That's a lot of pressure.

如果真发生这种情况，那将会是NBA历史上气氛最热烈的比赛之一。

It's gonna be one of the most electric NBA games in the history of the league if that happens.

不过，对，我能理解马刺队有一条晋级路径，但就像我刚才说的，伙计，你们现在可是1比3落后啊。

But, yeah, I I could see a path for the Spurs, but certainly, like I said earlier, dude, you're down three one.

你自己就有机会赢下至少三场比赛。

You had chances to win at least three of these games yourself.

只是我们见过太多这样的系列赛了，到了现在这个阶段，真的很难对马刺队保持信心。

It's just we've seen too many of these series built to to to really have faith in the Spurs at this point.

好了各位，我想我们讨论得差不多了。

Alright guys, I think we covered everything.

我很惊讶我们居然都能保持清醒的头脑。

I'm amazed we were all coherent.

而且你知道马刺队年轻，容易犯这种错，也知道尼克斯队特别擅长逆转。

And especially like knowing that the Spurs were a young team prone to do this, and knowing that the Knicks love coming back.

对。

Yeah.

就连比分到29分的时候，我也没真关掉电视，但总觉得他们错过了机会，那感觉就像一场萨拉索的土耳其大战——尼克斯好几次追到差15分、14分，结果对方一记三分，瞬间就觉得，唉，这本该是一次精彩的翻盘。

Was Even when the game was 29, I wasn't exactly turning it off, but I felt like they'd missed their, it was like it became a Salazzo the Turk game, where it was like the Knicks missed their chance a couple times, when they were getting it to fifteen, fourteen, and then somebody hit a three, and it was like, oh, this could have been a great comeback.

结果第四节一上来，韦恩累了，局势突然反转，事情就这么定了。

And then all of sudden, the fourth quarter, Wendy got tired, it flipped, and that and that was that.

好吧。

Alright.

肯定漏了不少细节，但感谢柯克·戈德斯伯里和乔·豪斯两位的参与。

I'm sure we missed 17 things, but Kirk Goldsberry, Joe House, appreciate you guys.

我们先休息一下。

We're gonna take a break.

待会儿回来。

Come back.

接下来我们会给听众准备一个简短的问答环节。

I have a little mini mailbag for the for the audience right after this.

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能方便地挂衣服

to be able to hang up

我希望能快速整理好所有东西，还希望电视配个能干点事的遥控器。

all my stuff really quickly, I like a TV with a remote control that can do some stuff.

我平时要求不高，但就是希望住的地方感觉舒服一点。

I'm pretty easy for the most part, but I like to feel like it's just a nice place.

如果你也这样，不妨试试假日酒店。

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现在整体焕然一新，特别适合出差人士。

Has a whole new energy, especially for business travelers.

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You'll see it everywhere, from refreshed rooms to reimagined social spaces, and dining done right, with new drinks and dishes, and for business, there are flexible spaces that work for the way you work.

这是全新的日子，也是全新的入住体验。

It's a new day, it's a new stay.

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好了，咱们来个小信箱环节，因为下一期播客要到周六晚上才有，我想先给你们准备点内容，撑过接下来几天。

Alright, we're gonna do a little mini mailbag here because I'm not gonna have another podcast until Saturday night, so I wanted to give you some content for the next couple days.

这个迷你听众来信环节由New Era赞助，你们给我发来了一些很棒的问题。

This mini mailbag, this segment sponsored by New Era, and you guys sent me some great questions.

和往常一样，你们可以把问题发到 bspodcast33@gmail.com。

As always, you can send them to bspodcast33@gmail.com.

谢谢大家发来的温暖留言和善意的评价。

Thanks for all the nice notes and nice things people say.

看到这些，我又对社会重拾信心，我们还是有善意的人。

It gives me faith in society that we're still nice people.

关于主场优势，我有几个想法，先从这个说起。

Couple thoughts here on home court advantage, so we'll start there.

辛辛那提的哈里森提到，我之前和马霍尼聊过，为什么主场优势不像以前那么重要了，他问：那约会软件呢？

Harrison from Cincinnati, when I was talking about, with Mahoney, why does a home court advantage matter like it used to, Harrison from Cincinnati said, what about dating apps?

现在球员们不用再跑到酒吧或夜店去搭讪女生了。

Players no longer need to go to a bar or club to pick up girls on the road anymore.

他们只要打开像Raya这样的热门约会软件，或者看看Instagram的私信，就能邀请人来酒店房间，不用喝酒，也不用熬夜。

Now they can just hop on a top dating app like Raya or check their Instagram DMs that invites someone to their hotel room without needing to drink or stay out late.

这可能是主客场优势衰落的最主要原因。

Maybe this is the single biggest reason of the downfall of home court advantage.

我本来想笑，但后来一想，九十年代的球员和现在的人认识朋友的方式差别太大了，现在根本不用出门、不用熬夜，动动手指就能悄悄约人，方便多了。

You know, I wanted to laugh at this, and then I was thinking about how players probably met people in the nineties and the February versus how they meet now, and it's probably way easier to be more discreet and meet people without having to actually go out in the general public and stay up late and do all that stuff.

所以这个因素不能忽视。

So can't be ruled out.

杰伦·罗斯和我以前总拿运动员开玩笑，他们一到城市就发推特，比如刚落地迈阿密，就发一句‘迈阿密，你好啊！’

Jalen Rose and I always used to have a joke when, when athletes would get into a town and they would say on Twitter, you know, they would be landing in Miami, they'd be like, what's good, Miami?

结果一发出去，一堆私信就涌进来，全是知道他们人在迈阿密的人。

And then you would just get all these DMs from whoever, people that knew you were in Miami.

是啊，这可能也是原因之一。

Yeah, maybe that is part of it.

现在大概也没人再通宵泡夜店了。

Maybe people are out until five in the morning at clubs anymore.

芝加哥的奥利弗想知道，运动员是不是现在更擅长应对压力了？

Oliver from Chicago wants to know, is it possible athletes are just better at handling the pressure?

这些年来，球员们变得更高大、更强壮、更快速了。

They're bigger, stronger, faster over the time.

他们处理压力和情绪的能力，是不是也进步了呢？

Is it possible they've also improved at handling their pressure and emotions too?

这是来自明尼阿波利斯的杰克的后续问题。

This is follow-up from Jake from Minneapolis.

心理教练对现代球员的影响有多大？

What about the impact sports psychologists have on modern players?

顶尖新秀、招募球员、大学生球员，都会接受专业心理教练或心理健康专家的指导，帮助他们适应高压环境，应对比赛和舆论的反噬。

Top prospects, recruits, college players, work with professional psychologists, mental health experts, whoever prepare them to play in these type of environments, big games handle the backlash.

在我看来，心理健康方面的变化，是与三十年前、五十年前最明显的不同。

The impact of mental health to me is the most glaring difference from thirty, fifty years from now.

这确实让人担忧，我记得在斯隆大会采访亚当·肖华时，他说自己从未像现在这样担心球员的心理健康，因为社交媒体让人们全天在线，网络部落主义盛行，舆论能迅速集结起来攻击或抹黑一个人。

It's tough because I remember doing an interview with Adam Silver at the Sloan Conference when he said actually he was the most worried he'd ever been about the mental health of players cause of social media and people being online all the time, and the tribalism of social, and how fast people can mobilize against somebody or try to make them look bad.

更别提人工智能和其他各种新因素了。

Not to mention AI and all the other things.

所以对我来说，这算是平衡了。

So to me, that's an even out.

我不觉得这是个关键因素，但我确实好奇，也许我们在应对逆境的心理层面也有所进步。

I wouldn't say that is a factor, but I do wonder, maybe some of the psychology of sports we're getting a little better about handling adversity.

也许这方面确实好了一些。

Maybe that's a little better.

这是来自克利夫兰的尼克提出的观点。

This is a theory from Nick from Cleveland.

所有AEU球队的球员这些年来可能打过上千个不同的场馆，天天早起，开车三小时，打六小时球，回家吃麦当劳当早餐，再上车赶往下一个地方。

With all the AEU teams, these guys have played probably a thousand different gyms over the years, they're constantly waking up, driving three hours, playing for six hours, coming home, eat McDonald's breakfast, get back in the car, driving somewhere else.

相比他们过去十年经历的这些——加上充足的睡眠和营养——一场早上八点半的决赛根本算不了什么，难怪他们现在表现得更好。

An 08:30 finals game after a day off is a walk in the park, compared to what they probably dealt with for ten years, along with proper sleep, nutrition, makes sense to me that they're better.

我并不是说这完全没影响，毕竟打多了，场馆也就那样，差别不大。

Not against that, there's definitely you're bouncing around more, and you know, a gym is a gym after a while.

这是个大问题，有几个人提到了裁判，因为我之前提到马霍尼，你真的会觉得能影响裁判的判罚，尤其是在七、八十年代，通常只有两个裁判。

This is the big one, a couple people brought this up with the refs, because I mentioned with Mahoney, like, you really felt like you could sway the refs, especially there was two for a long time in the seventies and eighties.

我记不清他们是什么时候改成三裁判的了。

I can't remember when they went to three.

那时候场上火药味十足。

There was there's blood in the air.

你可以在YouTube上看到一些当年的比赛，简直让人难以置信。

There were just outright you can watch some of the stuff on YouTube.

有些比赛的判罚明显偏袒一方，但现在有了社交媒体，这种事几乎不可能发生了。

There were just some some games that you just can't believe how one-sided the officiating was, which is so much harder to do now in the era of social media.

我觉得到了二月，情况就变了，从1999年到2006年迈阿密对达拉斯那轮系列赛期间，情况一直那样，直到2007年多诺霍事件发生。

I really feel like in the February, this shifted with from what was going on basically from 1999 through the Miami, Dallas series in o six, then Donahue happens in o seven.

突然间，我们对裁判的监督变得严格多了。

And all of a sudden, we got way better at kinda monitoring what was going on with refs.

这件事前后确实有明显区别。

So there is a before after with that.

然后米切尔·埃普纳问，那视频回放呢？

And then Mitchell Epner says, what about video review?

不只是比赛中的回放请求，还有联盟办公室对裁判每场判罚的持续复盘，对的错的全都挑出来分析。

Not just in game requests for replays, but the constant drilling the NBA refs get from league offices and calls that got right and wrong.

比赛后他们都有绩效报告，联盟不停地施压，也许裁判们真的更会判了。

They have the performance report after the games, and they're hammering down them left and right, maybe the refs are just better at calling stuff.

不过别跟尼克斯球迷说这个，尤其是打完第三场之后——虽然我们现在录这期的时候，第四场还没打。

Well, don't tell the Knicks fans this after game three, even though we're taping this before game four.

但这种可能性是存在的。

But it's possible.

我觉得现在想搞出一场彻底偏袒、一边倒的判罚，比以前难多了，原因有很多，问责也更严了。

I think it's way harder to have a completely terrible one-sided refereeing performance than it was, and there's probably more accountability for a variety of reasons.

还有，这位步行者队的球迷拜伦——这届季后赛确实难熬——他在括号里说：现在你没法再轻易影响裁判了，因为错判都会被回放纠正。

And Byron, a Pacer fan, and this is a tough playoffs to watch, he put in parentheses, said, You can't affect refs nearly as much now because bad calls will be reviewed and made right.

你再想当个明显的偏心裁判，根本行不通，因为每一场都会被所有人盯着审查。

You can't be terrible homer refs because it'll be graded and scrutinized by everybody.

所以裁判只是其中一部分原因。

So the refs are a piece of it.

我觉得犯规这个事，越想越觉得，现在比七八十年代容易多了。

I think that travel, the more I thought about it, I think the travel is the number one thing that it's just easier than it was in the seventies and eighties.

裁判的判罚更稳定了。

The refs are more consistent.

我和罗布聊过投篮动作的问题，这事儿有点怪，但确实没以前那么参差不齐了。

I mentioned the shooting motions with Rob, but that might it's it's a weird one, but there's just less variance.

现在大家都投得差不多，还有三分球，这玩意儿真能左右一场比赛的结果。

Everybody shoots the same, and then the three pointers is the other one, where three pointers can swing any game possible.

挺有意思的话题。

So interesting topic.

帕特里克·弗兰肯来信说，他是雄鹿队球迷，他和一帮雄鹿粉最近迷上了那个82胜0负的游戏，过去七八天网上全在传这个——你得自己组队，试着打满82场全胜，还得讲究策略。

Patrick Franken wrote in about he's a Milwaukee fan, and him and his fellow Buck fans are now obsessed with that 82 and o game, which I'm sure people that's taken over the Internet the last seven, eight days, where you make these teams and you try to go 82 and o and you spin it, and there's a science to it.

我最好的成绩是80胜2负。

The best I've ever done is eighty and two.

我现在更爱玩那个难的版本，不能看数据，只有两次机会，但我一直没成功过。正好总决赛要休息几天，我打算认真冲一把82胜。

I I really get now I do the harder one where you don't get to look at the stats and, you know, you get two spins, but I've just have never pulled off the 82 and o, and it's now that the finals is about to go into a break for a couple days, I'm gonna make a more concerted effort.

但帕特里克说，过去两周，我们群聊里最火的两个人是特鲁克·罗宾逊和世界牛肉自由。

But Patrick says, Over the last two weeks, two guys have dominated our group chat, Truck Robinson and World Beef Free.

特鲁克是因为名字太酷，加上七十年代末那些爆炸性的数据，我们现在都掉进YouTube的视频坑里，看他的高光集锦，比如1978年对马刺那场他拿了39分；至于世界牛肉自由，这名字简直为‘82胜0负’量身定做，他在78到79赛季场均29分30篮板，我们就是靠他一路扛过快船队的。

Truck, because of his awesome name and insane stat lines from the late seventies, we're now down at YouTube rabbit hole of watching truck highlights, including a 1978 game against the Spurs where he scored 39, and then he said World Be Free, awesome name for the purposes '82 and o, averaged twenty nine and thirty in the seventy eight, seventy nine seasons we got through the Clippers.

在玩这游戏之前，我们根本不知道这俩人是谁。

None of us knew these guys existed prior to the game.

我想问问你，能不能花两分钟，聊聊他们其中一个人的职业生涯？

My question to you is, can you spend two minutes breaking down one of their careers?

他的数据好看，但是不是典型的数据刷子、带不动球队的那种？

Were they good stats, bad team guys?

要是换支更强的队伍，他会不会有更辉煌的职业生涯？

Could they have a better career on the right team?

他可找对人了。

He came to the right place.

我实在想不出还有谁比我现在更想回答这个问题。

I can't think of anyone on the planet who's more excited to answer this question.

Truck Robinson以前叫Lloyd Free，后来改名为World Be Free。

So, Truck Robinson, and he used to be Lloyd Free, he changed his name to World Be Free.

Lloyd Free待过76人队，Truck Robinson则在子弹队打球。

Lloyd Free was on the Sixers, Truck Robinson was on the bullets.

他们俩都打过总决赛。

Both of them played in the finals.

Truck Robinson参加的是1975年的总决赛，Lloyd Free则是1977年。

Truck Robinson, 75 finals, and, Lloyd free, 77 finals.

他们之前都是替补，前面有更强的球员，后来被交易后，数据一下就飙升了。

They were bench guys with better players ahead of them, and then they got traded and their stats went way up.

Truck Robinson在78赛季打出了职业生涯最疯狂的数据——加盟华盛顿后，他签了自由球员合同，本来我以为是亚特兰大，结果最后去了新奥尔良，整个赛季场均23分15个篮板。

And truck had Truck had one of the craziest stat seasons I think of anyone in the history of the league compared to when you look at the rest of their career, where he averaged he he went to Washington, he signed a free agent contract, I wanna say with like Atlanta, but somehow ended up at New Orleans at one point, and put up twenty three and fifteen for an entire year in the '78 season.

那年他入选了最佳阵容一阵，那会儿大前锋位置竞争特别激烈，正好赶上Kermit Washington闹出大事的那段时间。

It was first team on NBA, and this was a big stretch for power forwards where this was when we had the fight with Kermit Washington.

那时候还有Morris Lucas、George McGinnis、Kermit Washington，个个都是狠角色。

They you had Morris Lucas, you have George McGinnis, Kermit Washington.

你还记得查克·罗宾逊。

You had Chuck Robinson.

那时候身边全是高大强壮的大前锋。

Just a lot of big physical power forwards that were around there at the same time.

后来巴克·威廉姆斯进了联盟，但查克可能是他们当中篮板最强的。

Buck Williams eventually came in the league, and Chuck was probably the best rebounder of all of them.

小时候，我好像从来没看过他打球。

Now as a kid, I don't think I ever saw him play.

他和帕特一起的时候，几乎没进过季后赛。

He was barely ever in the playoffs with Pat.

他所在的分区不对，但后来又被交易到菲尼克斯，我记得在79年季后赛，他们打进了西部决赛，最后输给了西雅图。

He was in the wrong conference, but he ended up getting traded again to Phoenix, and I think 79 playoffs made the Western Finals with them, and they lost to Seattle.

所以他确实参加过真正的关键比赛。

So he was in the mix in real games.

到了81年，他们输给了国王队，不过那时候太阳队其实也有机会冲进总决赛。

And then in '81, lost to the Kings, but now it's a team that Sun's team maybe could have made the finals too.

但他确实很厉害。

He was good though.

他是个硬汉，身体超强，篮板能力一流，最后还上了耐克的海报。

He was a banger, super physical, really good rebounder, and ended up with the Nike poster.

小时候我更关注世界杯，但当时在费城，他就像个典型的丹·韦特勒那样的球员，后来去了快船，第一年场均29分，第二年场均30分，现场看球特别过瘾。

World Cup free, I was way more focused on as a little kid, going from being when just the ultimate Dan Waiters type guy in Philly, goes to the Clippers and just 29 a game the first year, 30 a game the second year, and was really fun to watch in person.

你现在可能会觉得他动不动就投十个三分，可三分线是1980年才出现的。再说他，头发全秃，后脑勺却留着一撮，看起来特别邋遢。

You think like now he would probably bomb, I don't know, 10 threes a game, the three point line didn't even show up till 1980, but with him, first of all, was bald, but he was one of those bald, but had hair in the back, So he looked really stinky.

他的身材也很怪。

He had this weird body.

他脖子几乎看不见，手臂粗壮，跳投却特别漂亮，是个身体强悍的得分后卫，不管对手是谁，只要他在快船，就能一个人狂砍47分把比赛带走。

He had, like, kinda no neck and strong arms and this really cool jump shot and was just this really physical scoring guard that could score on anybody and was a classic, like, if you played at the Clippers, world beat freak could just put up 47 and beat you by himself no matter what team you are.

他职业生涯最后辉煌的一段，是1985年凯尔特人和他打了四场，那轮系列赛是拉里·伯德的高光时刻，但他硬是和世界B打得旗鼓相当，终于在季后赛里爆发了一回。

The Celtics, the last great run he had, the Celtics had a four game series in '85 against him, and and it was a great Larry Bird series, but he went toe to toe with World B, and and World B finally kinda had a playoff moment.

自从离开费城后，他再也没能真正进入季后赛的争夺圈。

He never really from the moment went to when he left Philly was just never in the mix for the playoffs.

他整个职业生涯都在联盟转播和推特出现之前，但确实很酷。

So has this whole career, it's pre league pass, it's pre Twitter, but he was cool.

他的耐克海报，我觉得是最难收集的之一。

And his Nike poster, think, is one of the hardest ones to get.

这些球员，我一点都不意外他们现在终于迎来了属于他们的高光时刻，毕竟当年还有微型篮球联赛。

So these guys, I'm not surprised they're finally having an 82 and o moment when there was a micro league basketball.

那两个赛季总是特别精彩，毕竟有多少后卫能场均砍下30分呢？

These were two of the seasons that were always great seasons, because how many guards have averaged 30 a game?

总之，恭喜特鲁克，也恭喜世界自由，还有他把名字从劳埃德·弗里改成世界自由这事，真让人感受到他这个人有多特立独行。

So anyway, congratulations to Truck and to World, and also the insanity of somebody changing their name from Lloyd Free to World Be Free, like it gives you a sense of what kind of character he was.

来自印第安纳州布卢明顿的科迪说，他和亚当·弗里德兰讨论过篮网队缺乏身份认同，该怎么打入这座城市，还想知道能不能效仿国际米兰和AC米兰的德比，他认为篮网应该只签国际球员。

Cody from Bloomington, Indiana said how me and Adam Friedland discussed the Nets having no identity, how to break into the city, and wondered if it could be like the Italian rivalry between Inter and AC Milan, where he thinks the net strategy should be to go in only on international players.

他说国际米兰和AC米兰的恩怨最初源于AC米兰主打本土球员，而国际米兰——希望我没说错——则热衷引进外援，这在球迷群体里形成了阶级分化：国米球迷多是中产阶级，米兰球迷则更偏向工薪阶层。

He said Inter and AC Milan have a deep rivalry initially based on AC Milan, one and a half, primarily Italian players, and Inter, hope I'm saying that right, wanted to bring in international players, cause more of a class divide between fans, Inter fans being part of the bourgeois, Milan fans were be a little more working class.

这想法真不错。

This sounds great.

我之前根本不知道

I didn't

这些事

know any of

这些事。

this stuff.

但他提到，土生土长的纽约人一辈子都是尼克斯球迷，所以篮网或许该顺应这座城市的多元文化，干脆全用外籍球员。

But he said how lifelong New Yorkers will always be Knicks fans, so maybe the Nets should cater to the multicultural aspects of the city and go with an all international team.

说实话，这十年来我听过的关于尼克斯最棒的点子。

Honestly, best idea I've heard from the Knicks all decade.

你用常规办法根本赢不了尼克斯，永远别指望纽约人真在乎他们。

You're not going to beat the Knicks conventionally, you're never going to get the city to care about them.

如果过去这两个月还不能让你明白，你就是二等公民的话。

If this whole last two months didn't tell you once and for all that you're second class citizen.

你甚至可能连五等公民都算不上。

You might even be like a fifth class citizen.

我喜欢这个国际化方案。

I like the international plan.

我会把这个想法转达给那位我不认识的人。

I'm gonna pass that along to the size who I don't know.

詹姆斯提到，之前我们聊到切特得去澳大利亚内陆找回状态的时候，我记不清是哪个播客里说的了，好像是德克·诺维茨基，他还说了三个建议给他。

James was saying how when I we were talking about how Chet had to go to the Australian Outback, I forget who was on that podcast, like Dirk Nowitzky, to get his game back, and and he was saying, here are my three options for him.

去亚马逊雨林待一个月，或者去爬珠穆朗玛峰。

A month in the Amazon Rainforest, climb Mount Everest.

他可以成为史上最高的人类，登上珠穆朗玛峰。

He could be the tallest person ever to climb Mount Everest.

他还建议让切特深入乌克兰的无人机工厂，向专家学习如何守护主场，培养逆境心态，顺便赢得大量好感。

And then he said embed himself in a Ukrainian drone factory, learn from the experts about protecting home court, learn an underdog mentality, and just garner some incredible goodwill.

我一直在想切特这件事。

I thought about this Chet thing.

越琢磨，我越觉得他还没到那么糟糕的地步。

I'm not sure he's at that dark point yet the more I think about it.

你猜怎么着？

Guess what?

文班亚马简直把所有人都打爆了。

Wemby's destroying everybody.

他这个夏天得好好想想办法。

He needs to figure out this summer.

我建议他别去度假，而是得练快点出手三分，这样当他对上文班亚马时，能迅速跑到角落，赶在对方扑上来之前把球投出去。

I would advise him not to go on vacation, but he needs to figure out how to get his three point shot off faster so that when he plays Wemby, he can go in the corner and release a shot faster than Wemby can come out and challenge the shot.

这才是我的建议。

That would be my advice.

我还不觉得他该去乌克兰的无人机工厂，不过也许再过一年就可以考虑了。

I would I'm not ready for him to go to a Ukrainian drone factory yet, but maybe we're a year away.

埃里克·摩尔想知道，布伦森他爸是不是现在职业体育界最丢人的家长？

Eric Moore wants to know, is Brunson's dad the most embarrassing parent in pro sports right now?

要说丢人，以前这头衔可一直是勒维尔·勒维尔·鲍尔的。

So, I mean, this was Levar Levar Ball's title forever.

这个冠军腰带传起来可太有意思了，年度最尴尬父母奖，年年都有新主角。

This would be a really fun championship belt to pass along, the most embarrassing port most embarrassing parent championship belt holder year by year.

过去还真出过不少经典场面。

There's been some classics.

布伦森他爸就是个典型。

Brunson's dad.

我在这事儿上一直摇摆，当初他冲过中场线的时候，我觉得简直太丢人了。

So I go back and forth on this because I thought it was really lame when he crossed midcourt.

首先，教练根本就不能越过中场线，这是规矩。

Nobody else first of all, you're not allowed to cross midcourt when you're a coach.

对吧？

Right?

中场线就是底线，一步都不能越。

It's midcourt line only.

但之前系列赛里，福克斯和布伦森吵起来的时候，里克·布伦森直接大步走过去，彻底化身‘护崽老爸’，那画面就像在少年足球赛里，家长气得冲进场子，对着裁判破口大骂，结果解说员还装没看见。

But when Fox and Brunson got into it earlier in the series, and Rick Brunson walks all the way over and just kind of became a dad, it was like watching, you know, somebody in a 10 year old AYSO game getting upset at the refs and just decided they could walk in the field, and then started talking shit to Fox, and the announcers kind of let it go.

我觉得这其实挺丢人的。

I thought it was pretty embarrassing actually.

我觉得这事有点怪。

I thought it was weird.

不过话说回来，我觉得布伦森可能是尼克斯队里的那个镇场子的人。

Counter though, I think Brunson might be the enforcer of this Knicks team.

你知道的，他们队里没人真敢闹事，扎纳诺比、米哈伊尔·布里奇斯，布伦森，还有乔什·哈特偶尔会有点火气。

He might you know, they don't really Town, Zananobi, Mikhail Bridges, Brunson, Josh Hart gets a little feisty sometimes.

米切尔·罗宾逊倒是能甩几下肘子，但真要闹起来，我觉得第一个冲上去的肯定是里克·布伦森。

Mitchell Robinson can throw some elbows, but if there was ever like a brawl, I feel like Rick Brunson would be the first guy in it.

从这个角度看，他还在像带十一岁少年队一样对着儿子吼，确实有点尴尬。

So in some ways it's a little embarrassing that he still behaves like he's coaching an 11 year old AA team with his son.

但另一方面，他可能是板凳上最硬气的那个。

On the other hand, he might be the toughest guy on the bench.

所以我觉得，莱瓦尔·鲍尔还是当之无愧的冠军。

So I think LeVar Ball still has his title.

来自安大略省滑铁卢的亚当说，他聊过那个‘长期倒霉冠军腰带’，觉得尼克斯队大概是球迷最多、最惨的球队。

Adam from Waterloo, Ontario says, I talked about the prolonged misery title belt, about how the Knicks are probably the most miserable team with the most fans.

多伦多也差不多。

Toronto's in there too.

亚当还提到，尼克斯和枫叶队之间真的有很多相似之处。

And Adam points out there's really a ton of parallels between the Knicks and the Leafs.

五十多年没拿过冠军，各自体育项目的中心焦点，还得面对一个比自己更辉煌的死敌——凯尔特人和蒙特利尔加拿大人队。

A title draft of fifty plus years, center of the universe for their respective sport, having to deal with the fact that their biggest rival is actually the more decorated franchise, the Celtics and the Habs.

所以对尼克斯来说，凯尔特人是死敌；对枫叶队来说，加拿大人队——是我最不喜欢的球队之一。

So the Celtics for the Knicks and the Canadians, one of my least favorite franchises.

今年他们没夺冠，我简直太高兴了。

I'm so excited they didn't win this year.

至于枫叶队，他们甚至也经历过类似多兰那种疯疯癫癫的老板时期。

For the Maple Leafs, hell, the Leafs have even endured their own Dolan esque batshit owner situation.

你去搜一下哈罗德·巴尔德就知道了。

Go ahead and Google Harold Ballard.

谷歌搜得不错。

Pretty good Google.

莱纳斯到现在还抽烟，至少有两成原因是因为猛龙队。

The Leafs are at least 20% of the reason that Will Arnett still smoke cigarettes.

这个我没法评价。

Can't speak to that.

然后他说，这封邮件里我最喜欢的一点是，你得承认凯尔特人就是NBA里的蒙特利尔加拿大人队。

And then he said, my favorite part of this email is that you have to acknowledge the Celtics are the Habs of the NBA.

我觉得这个类比特别到位。虽然多伦多的球迷没纽约那么多，也没有像尼克斯那样代代相传的铁杆粉丝，城市规模也没纽约大，但也是个大城市。

I think this is a great parallel, and even though Toronto doesn't have as many fans, and they have the generations of fans like the Knicks do, the city is not as big as New York, but it's big.

要是猛龙队真能像尼克斯那样，带着一支有争冠实力的球队杀进总决赛，我敢说，我们今天对尼克斯的那些吐槽，一样都不会少地落在他们身上。

It's one of the biggest Canadian cities, and if they ever really got into the finals the way the Knicks did with a good team that had a chance to win, I think we'd be running all of the same check marks that we're running with the Knicks right now.

我喜欢这个说法。

So I like that.

你那个说凯尔特人是NBA的‘半支’球队的笑话，我真不喜欢，我就当没听见。

I didn't really like your joke about the Celtics being the halves of the NBA, so I'm gonna ignore that.

这是杰弗里·汤普森发来的一个好观点。

This is a good one from Jeffrey Thompson.

哦，抱歉，这个其实是来自洛杉矶的迈克尔，下一个才是杰弗里·汤普森的。

Oh, no, I'm sorry, this is from Michael in Los Angeles, then the next one's from Jeffrey Thompson.

每次有个角色球员在季后赛打了一场好球，大家立马就给它贴上‘某某之战’的标签。

I feel like anytime a role player is a good game in the playoffs, everyone's too quick to anoint it as the blank game.

亚历克斯·卡鲁索对马刺队爆发了，等等，是卡鲁索之战；卢克·科内特关键一帽改变局势，就成了‘卢克·科内特之战’。

Alex Caruso goes off against the Spurs, sorry, the Caruso game, Luke Cornett makes a game altering block, it's the Luke Kornet game.

其实也没那么夸张，我们当时是这么说了，但他问：你觉得哪些‘某某之战’能经得起时间考验？

Not really, we said it in the moment, but he said, Which the blank games do you think stand the test of time?

除了乔丹的流感之战，还有哪些比赛能算得上最经典的‘某某之战’？

What's in the running for the best the blank game, along with Jordan's flu game?

我认真想过这个问题。

I put some thought into this.

我先抛几个思路出来，现在还没法定最终名单，但凭直觉，我脑子里立刻冒出了这十场经典比赛。

I'm gonna give us some thought starters, and I'm not ready to have a final list yet, but just off the top of my head, these were the 10 that came to mind for games.