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不是，我的意思是

No, I mean

你觉得他们能赢下这个系列赛吗？

Do you think they could win this series?

你会赌骑士队让3.1分吗？

Would you wager on the Cavs plus three ten?

我一开始就没赌骑士队赢，现在也不会赌。

I wouldn't wager on the I didn't wager on the Cavs at the beginning of the series.

我的看法没变，我觉得

Nothing's changed about my opinion I on

他们这次完了。

think they're done.

他们非赢下这场比赛不可。

I think they had to win this game.

对我来说最大的变化就是OG回来了，他一个人就罚了十次球，尽管有各种情况，你也知道。

The single biggest difference to me is the return of OG, who got to the free throw line 10 times, even with all of, you know, Yeah.

真奇怪，是吧。

Weird Yeah.

那些新冒出的东西，还有那些……

Stuff that's coming But that And those

这些球队的进攻也很猛。

teams explosive too.

没错。

Yeah.

这支球队阵容很深。

It's just a deep team.

他们有很多不同的得分手段。

It's just, they have weapons in a lot of different ways.

他们防守能力顶尖，更何况上一场刚打完抢七，接下来居然睡了两节，对手可是刚赢下生死战的球队。

They can defend, you know, with the best of them, and the fact that they were asleep for two quarters after not playing competitive basketball against a team that just came off a game seven win.

对。

Yeah.

这不会改变我对尼克斯队整体实力和未来走向的看法。

It doesn't change my opinion overall of what this Knicks team is all about, and where I think they're headed.

状态松散，提不起劲。

Rusty and lethargic.

我对唐斯的担忧比三天前更严重了，但我觉得骑士队的一些打法，还有我猜测下一轮如果他们碰上文班亚马，那些招数很可能会被复制。

I have more concerns about Towns than I did three days ago, but I feel like they can, some of the stuff the Cavs were doing, and some I wonder in the next series, especially if they play the Wemby UFO, I think some of the tricks will be emulated.

好了，下一轮的事咱们聊得够多了。

Okay, we've talked about the next series enough.

那真是一场精彩的比赛。

That was a great game.

和昨晚那场一样精彩。

As great as the game last night.

没错，就是这么精彩。

As great as, that's right.

咱们休息一下，接下来聊聊二十一世纪最伟大的比赛之一。

We're a break, and then we're gonna talk about one of the great games of the twenty first century.

雷霆对马刺，第一场。

Thunder, Spurs, game one.

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I'm gonna figure out something for San Antonio OKC game two, a series that I am obsessed with.

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I have a lot of thoughts on matchups, who might play.

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You know what my favorite thing about the playoffs is?

我喜欢在比赛进行到第四场，甚至可能是第五场的时候。

I like during and it's usually maybe a game four, might even be a game five.

到了第七场，所有人都紧张得不行。

Game seven, everyone's nervous.

那种氛围完全不一样。

There's a different level of energy.

但在第四场或第五场，对其中一支球队来说，当第四节还剩五分钟时，突然就意识到：糟了。

But game four, game five, for one of the two teams, there's this realization with like five minutes left in the fourth quarter where it's like, uh-oh.

现在，我们的命运真的悬而未决了。

Our fate is suddenly in real flux right now.

谁挺身而出？

Who's stepping up?

我们该怎么办？

What are we gonna do?

什么事平息下来了？

What's calmed down?

我们能迎难而上，还是会退缩？

Can we rise to the moment, or are we gonna shrink from it?

这感觉就像打开一瓶米歇尔超淡啤酒，冰凉清爽，无比畅快，简直是终极享受。

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好了，各位，主角登场了。

Alright, House, the arrival.

飞碟已经着陆。

The UFO has landed.

文班亚马从飞碟里走了出来。

Wemby has emerged from the UFO.

他身高七英尺七英寸，就是为了统治联盟而来的。

He's seven foot seven, and he's here to dominate the league.

昨晚看比赛的时候，我有种当年蒂格在奥古斯塔夺冠的感觉。

I had a Tiger 97 Augusta kind of feeling watching the game last night.

就像真的有什么在改变一样。

Like that something was changing for real.

这项运动正在被真正地颠覆。

The sport was being upended in a real way.

我知道如果他们最终输掉这个系列赛，这话听起来可能很傻，但我觉得输赢根本没那么重要。

And I know that's gonna sound stupid if they end up losing this series, but I don't even think that the winner or lose this series doesn't matter.

昨晚他做了一些事，让我感觉这项运动的格局真的变了。

He was doing something last night that I just felt like something the sport had shifted.

我不是唯一一个有这种感觉的人，但它确实让我想起了奥古斯塔。

And I'm not the only person to say that, but it did bring me back to Augusta.

突然间，奥古斯塔在泰格面前显得那么渺小。

And all of a sudden, Augusta, it just felt small for Tiger.

还记得吗？

Remember?

我们当时心想，天啊，这可是最难最怪的球场，他却像碾压一样轻松拿下。

We were like, fuck, this was like the hardest, weirdest course we have, and he's like just annihilating it.

到底发生什么了？

What's happening?

昨晚文班亚马做的每一件事，都彻底压制了亚历山大。

Everything Wemby was doing last night, he took out SGA.

亚历山大完全乱了阵脚。

SGA was a mess.

他把切特防得连上场都让人怀疑值不值得。

He completely took out Chet to the point that it was almost debatable whether he should be out there.

他还让哈特和萨顿刚上场两分钟就不得不下场。

He took out Hart and Sutton, they had take out two minutes into the game.

他送出了50次盖帽，砍下41分、24个篮板，还投进了一个32英尺的压哨球扳平比分，最后时刻又命中制平球，而且全是在客场做到的。

He changed 50 shots, 41 points, 24 rebounds to blocks, he had a 32 footer to tie the game, he had a game tying shot in the end of regulation, and did this all on the road.

他是在没拿到MVP的情况下，用一种‘关你什么事’的态度完成这一切的。

Did this with the fuck you energy from the MVP, not getting that.

致敬1995年哈基姆对罗宾逊的那场表现。

Shout out to Hakeem in 95 against Robinson.

很难不去想起那个瞬间。

Was hard not to think about that moment.

我昨晚发给你那个YouTube视频了，还从各种角度反复看了好几遍。

I sent you the YouTube clip last night, and just backed it up in all these different ways.

我觉得关键在于，他不只是说说而已，而是真刀真枪地干出了我们从没见过的事。

And I think for me, it's that he walks the walk, and then backs it up, and does shit that we've just never seen.

说到关键战役，乔丹的63分，科比在2000年总决赛沙克被罚下后的那场，勒布朗2007年对活塞那场48分神迹，都算在内。

And you know, talk about arrival games, MJ's 63 game, Kobe in the 2,000 finals after Shaq fouled out in game four, LeBron in 2,007, the 48 special against Detroit.

库里对马刺那场23投20中，第一场打得惊天动地，现在大家快忘了，因为后来好球太多了。但当他再次面对马刺时，我记得他一个人投了十几个三分，拿了40多分，单枪匹马硬扛那支顶级马刺队。

Curry had that unbelievable twenty thirteen game one against the Spurs, which everybody forgets now because there's been so many great games, but he when he goes into the next round against the Spurs, I think he has, I don't know, like 10 threes or 40 plus points, and just was going against this great Spurs team by himself.

感觉这场比赛，真的分水岭，之前和之后完全不一样。

Felt like on that level, like it was a before and after with this game.

你同意吗？

You agree with that?

当然，数据也完全支持这一点。

Of course, and the numbers back it up.

你要回溯到1970年，才能找到一个22岁或以下球员拿到40分20篮板的表现。

I mean, you have to go all the way back to 1970 to find a performance where a player 22 years old or younger has a combination of forty twenty.

那是卡里姆。

That's Kareem.

历史上在这个年纪拿到40分20篮板的，只有两个人。

There's only two players in the history of the game at that age to have a forty twenty.

一个是卡里姆，另一个就是文班亚马。

That's Kareem and now Wemby.

没错。

Yeah.

你得拿所有那些最重要的季后赛经典表现作为参照，才能真正理解这个成就的意义。

And and you have to use as your reference point all of the great playoff performances, the highest leverage performances to create the the context.

如果不是去年步行者对尼克斯那场惊天逆转，那场不可思议的——

And if we didn't have that Pacers comeback last year against the Knicks, that that just incredible out of the

霍勒班那场比赛。

The Howlburn game.

是的

Yeah.

你可以说，比如我在聊天群里问，有没有哪场分区决赛第一场比这更厉害？

You could say, like, you know, so I was in my text thread, greatest game one in conference finals ever?

我有个清单。

I have the list.

我列了个单子。

I made a list.

在讨论里。

In the conversation.

这是我记下来的，你看看。

Here's what I wrote down.

你帮我判断一下，这场有没有超过这些比赛。

You tell me if it beat these games.

我看了那场球，所以有点偏心，2018年总决赛第一场，J。

I went to this game, so I'm a little biased, twenty eighteen game one finals, the J.

R.

R.

史密斯那场比赛。

Smith game.

我觉得那场可能是最后一场经典比赛了，那场都八年前了，当时勒布朗一个人对抗整个王朝勇士队。

I think that was the last great game, and that game was eight years ago, because LeBron is going against this, you know, juggernaut all time Golden State Yes.

他完全是靠自己硬扛，身体上完全压制了对方。

And he's basically taking it to him by himself, and physically dominated them.

我记得他拿了五十多分，具体多少我记不清了。

I think he had 50 or 51, whatever he did.

但骑士队输了。

But Cleveland lost.

骑士队在加时赛里输了。

Cleveland lost an OT.

问题就在这儿。

That's the problem.

我只是在谈这场比赛。

I'm just talking about as a game.

那场比赛简直太棒了。

That game was fucking awesome.

那场比赛真的非常精彩。

That game was was an awesome game.

离场了。

Off.

这个

The

数据图表，太棒了。

charts, awesome.

我明白我们在说什么。

I understand what we're

谈话的内容。

talking about.

雨和库里巅峰时期的勇士队，实力依然强劲，那场比赛毫无疑问。

The rain and Curry at their peak, and the Warriors still really good, game was For sure.

去年哈里伯顿的奇迹之战，那场是第一场。

The Halliburton Miracle last year, that was a game one.

还有2001年艾弗森对湖人队的总决赛，我觉得这四场是本世纪最重要、但原因各不相同的比赛，对吧？

And then the Iverson two thousand and one finals against the Lakers, I think those are the most important four for this century, for different reasons, right?

艾弗森，确实如此。

Iverson Yeah.

艾弗森在职业生涯的传奇里，特别需要这场胜利。

Iverson really needed that one in the legacy, in the big picture.

那是他唯一一次打进总决赛，而且我觉得那支湖人队可能是本世纪第二强的球队。

Was the only So time he made the the Laker team, and I think that was probably the second best team of this century.

他直接硬刚奥尼尔和科比，赢了他们，还来了个胯下过人。

And he just went toe to toe with Shaq and Kobe, beat them, did the step over.

那场球奥尼尔拿了四十分二十个篮板。

Shaq had a fortytwenty that game.

今晚让我们又想起了NBA的魅力。

We were reminded, you know, of the NBA this evening.

我会选那些40分20篮板的表现。

So I would go those fortytwenty.

那四场之后，亚军级别的比赛比如2008年总决赛凯尔特人对湖人第一场，保罗·皮尔斯坐轮椅打的那场。

Those four, and then the runner ups, the two thousand and eight finals, Celtics Lakers game one, the Paul Pierce wheelchair game.

那场比赛也很精彩，只是因为凯尔特人和湖人再次杀进总决赛，赛前的炒作确实够足。

So even that became the And it was also a really good game, but just that the Celtics and Lakers were in the finals again, the hype leading up to that I think is there.

达拉斯对圣安东尼奥的2003年系列赛。

Dallas, San Antonio o three.

德克拿了38分15篮板，邓肯40分15篮板，当时我们都觉得这会是德克和邓肯的长期对决开端，但后来因为各种原因，没能延续下去。

Dirk had a thirty eight fifteen, Duncan had a forty fifteen, and this was like, we thought this was gonna be the start of a Dirk versus Duncan run, and it ended up for a variety of reasons not getting wet.

但那场比赛真的太棒了，我可不敢轻视它。

But that game was awesome, I don't wanna sleep on that.

1997年总决赛，公牛对爵士，马龙拿了MVP，然后乔丹投进制胜球，完成了那个经典的动作。

97 finals, Chicago, Utah, Malone wins the MVP, and then Jordan hits the game winner, and does the

是的

Yes.

这个必须得算上。

That's gotta be on there.

95年总决赛，奥兰多对休斯顿，尼克·安德森，那四个罚球。

95 finals, Orlando, Houston, Nick Anderson, the free throws, the four free throws.

我不觉得那场比赛有多精彩，但要说戏剧性和记忆点，它是我见过最难忘的比赛之一。

I wouldn't say that was a great game, but if you're talking drama and memory, it was one of the most memorable games I've ever seen.

我记得

I remember

看他的职业生涯时，我记得自己当时在哪儿。

watching his career was I know where I was.

对。

Yeah.

我现在都能立刻回到那个场景。

I could put myself right back there right now.

同年，印第安纳对纽约，第二轮，雷吉在九秒内得了八分。

Same year, Indy New York round two was the Reggie eight points in nine seconds.

明白了。

Okay.

92年总决赛，芝加哥对波特兰，迈克尔·乔丹投进六个三分球，上半场砍下35分，然后那个标志性的耸肩。

92 finals, Chicago, Portland, MJ hits the six threes, 35 in the first half, does the shrug.

那是第一场吗？

That was game one?

是的。

Yeah.

真厉害。

Wow.

然后是91年的总决赛，那场球也特别精彩，不过已经过去三十五年了。

And then the ninety one finals, which is another one that's like an awesome game, but it's thirty five years ago.

公牛对湖人，魔术师第一次和迈克尔·乔丹正面交锋。

Bulls, Lakers, Magic versus MJ for the first time.

魔术队的佩金斯投进三分，反超比分。

Magic hits Perkins for a three to go ahead.

乔丹跳投扳平，然后是迈克·布伦恩的经典解说‘巴赫’——球在篮筐上转了几圈，没进，他们输了。

MJ has a jumper to tie it, and it does the Mike Breen, bah, and rattles around, but doesn't go in, and they lose.

我觉得过去四十年里，最经典的就这些了，其实我能列七十场，但大概六场左右吧。

And I think in the last forty years, those are the ones, and I could go 70 But six or

这些比赛你都可以去YouTube上看一看。

those everybody go on YouTube and watch some

真的建议你去看看这些比赛。不过我觉得，本世纪最棒的四场是：2018年4月26日，勇士对骑士的哈里伯顿之战，还有艾弗森那场。

of Please these go watch those, but I really think this century, 04/26/2018, Gold State, Cleveland, the Halliburton game, and the Iverson game, I think those were the best four.

通常第一场比赛都没什么看头。

Usually game ones aren't great.

我们以前也见过一些特别奇怪的比赛，还记得那年太阳队赢了马刺吗？大概是2002或2003年，斯塔德迈尔还在的时候。

We've had some fun weird ones, remember that year Phoenix beat San Antonio in like 'three, 'two, somewhere in there with Marbury?

斯塔德迈尔投进了一个半场三分。

Marbury hit like a half court shot.

哦，对，那场真是疯狂。

Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

那应该是马布里在菲尼克斯最精彩的一刻了，或者可能是2001年，记不清了，2003年吧，反正就是那时候。

And it was like the one great Marbury Phoenix moment, or maybe it was 2001, I don't remember, 2003, whatever it was.

我们确实见过不少精彩的比赛，比如凯尔特人对公牛，2009年罗斯新秀赛季那场就很不错，但最顶尖的还是那几场。

We've had some good ones, the Celtics Bulls, 2009, Rose's rookie year was good, but those were the best ones.

通常这种系列赛开局都会互相试探，但这场完全不是这样。

Usually this series, there's like a feeling out, and this one didn't.

我之前记下来一个问题：那场比赛的速度，跟普通篮球比赛比起来到底怎么样？

And it was one of the things I wrote down was like, how's the speed of that game compared to what normal basketball is?

你看看今晚这场比赛，感觉就像播客放慢到0.8倍速，而昨晚那场则是1.5倍速。

You watch a game like tonight, and it just feels like it's on a podcast that's one point o, versus last night the game was at a 1.5.

部分原因是这两支球队彼此太熟悉了，尤其是马刺队，整个常规赛期间，他们把每一场对阵俄克拉荷马的比赛都当成检验自己的机会。

Well part of that is because these teams are familiar with each other, this iteration of these teams, and what the Spurs did that's so remarkable, over the course of the regular season, they used each of these matchups with Oklahoma City as referendum games for them.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是为什么这个球队在联盟里遥遥领先于其他所有队伍。

Like, this is why that organization is heads and shoulders above all all others, you know, in the league.

这就是为什么马刺队三十年来一直站在如此非凡的高度。

It's it's why the the Spurs have occupied rarefied air for thirty five years.

就说三十年吧。

Thirty years, let's say.

不过他们也确实运气不错。

Well, they've also had some fucking luck.

没错。

No doubt.

确实如此。

No doubt.

他们抽中了文班亚马的状元签，也抽中了邓肯的状元签。

They won the Wemby lottery and the Duncan lottery.

还有邓肯的状元签。

And the Duncan lottery.

三支球队都放过了斯蒂芬·卡斯特尔，包括你那支烂队，结果轮到迪伦·哈珀第二顺位。

Three teams pass on Stephan Castle, including your stupid team, and then Dylan Harper at two.

这些都没错，但他们一直能把这种好运发挥到极致。

All that is true, yet they've routinely maximized that good fortune.

确实如此。

They really have.

你说得对。

You're correct.

他们总能抓住机会，而这个赛季一上来，他们就下定决心：每次打俄克拉荷马城，我们都要把他们干趴下。

They jump through the opportunity door, and it's apparent that this season coming into it, they're like, every time that we play Oklahoma City, we are gonna get in that ass.

这是一次实验。

We're gonna it's an experiment.

我们要打得强硬。

We're gonna be physical.

我们要把SGA从球权上赶走。

We're gonna run SGA off the ball.

我的意思是，你确实提到文班亚马对SGA有一定影响。

I mean, part of the thing, you you gave Wemby credit for some impact on SGA.

我的看法是，没错，但那是一次极其出色的配合，所有人都发挥了作用。

The answer is to that to me is is yes, but it was a masterful Well, was everybody.

是的。

Yeah.

确实是所有人都参与了。

It was everybody.

确实是所有人都参与了。

It was everybody.

那些后卫的对抗强度是关键。

It's the physicality of those guards.

他们对他进行了包夹。

They doubled him.

他们不断把他从球权旁推开。

They run him off the ball.

这就给亚历克斯·卡鲁索创造了空位投篮的机会。

And what that creates is open shots for Alex Caruso.

这没什么，因为卡鲁索投进了不少，俄克拉荷马城本来有机会赢，但我觉得马刺队的想法是：就算输给了亚历克斯·卡鲁索，也无所谓。

That's fine because Caruso knocked a whole bunch of them down, and Oklahoma City could have won, but I think the Spurs are like, if we lose to Alex Caruso, that's okay.

我们愿意接受这种结果。

We are willing to live with

顺便说一句，骑士队今天面对阿南多比本该怎么做。

that By the way, what the Cavs should have done today with Anandobi.

是啊，当然了。

Yeah, they Sure.

昨晚的事，维姆比的控卫，因为达伦·福克斯没上场，卡斯特主要打控卫，他送出了11次失误。

I mean the thing last night, Wemby's point guard, because Darren Fox doesn't play, Castle mostly plays point guard, he's 11 turnovers.

他拼得很努力，也做了不少好事，但11次失误太多了。

He played hard, he did a lot of good things, but 11 turnovers.

他确实尽力了。

He was trying.

另一个持球人是迪伦·哈珀，他今天表现太出色了，待会儿我专门聊聊他。

And the other ball hander, Dylan Harper, who had an awesome game, and I want to talk about him in a little bit.

但他才20岁，球队在俄克拉荷马，有那么几次，雷霆直接把最厉害的防守球员全派上场了，意思就是：你自求多福吧。

But he's 20 years old, and they're in OKC, and at one point, there's a couple points where OKC's like, here are our best defensive guys, we're just putting them all out there, Good luck.

他们好像连在40英尺内组织进攻都做不到。

And it felt like they couldn't start their offense within 40 feet from the basket.

明明维姆比就在25英尺外，七尺七寸的大个子，他们居然还传不进去球。

It felt like they couldn't even figure out how to get Wemby the ball, even though he's seven foot seven, twenty five feet from the basket.

但维姆比还是靠着队友的帮助，把比赛撑了下来。

And Wemby still pulled off the game with some help from his guys.

有几个关键三分，钱皮内最后时刻投进了一个超级三分。

There was a couple big threes, Champinee hit a huge three in the One one.

是的。

Yes.

我觉得瓦塞尔那几下也特别关键。

I thought Vasell had a couple really big plays.

确实如此。

He did.

卡斯特尔哪怕失误不断，也始终充满信心，这一点我真的很欣赏。

Castle never lost his confidence, even with all the turnovers, which I really appreciated.

我觉得他们的防守做得很好，我笔记里写到，他们硬是逼着俄克拉荷马摆出了这套阵容——三个后卫，加上J·杜布和切特，我不确定他们以后还能不能这么打。

And I thought the defense, the fact that I wrote down in my notes, they basically forced OKC into this lineup, that I'm not sure they're gonna not be able to do the rest of the time, where they basically had three guards with J Dub, with Chet.

对。

Yeah.

因为他们得想办法把文班亚马从篮下拉开。

Because they have to figure out a way to pull Wemby away from the basket.

所以哈滕斯坦恩我觉得在这系列赛里可能根本没法上场。

So they're just gonna, like Hartenstein I don't think can play in this series.

我也不确定多特能不能在关键时刻打满大量时间，因为只要对方有个不具威胁的球员，文班亚马就会放他去协防。

I'm not positive Dort can really play big minutes in crunch time in this series either, because whoever they have who's not a threat, Wemby's just gonna guard that guy and help off him.

这会是一场棋局，但我觉得这盘棋某种程度上已经下过了。

So it's gonna be a chess match, but I feel like the chess has already been played to some degree.

咱们走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

对我来说，下一个比赛的问题是，他们会不会直接让福克斯和哈珀不停地投三分，同时双人包夹文班亚马，逼迫他们传出去，要是你们能投进，那就祝你们好运。

The questions for me is, in the next game, are they gonna just say Fox and Harper, shoot threes until your heart We're gonna double team Wemby, we're gonna trap them, we're gonna make them give up the ball, and if you guys hit threes, God bless.

我猜他们肯定会这么打。

I would assume that's the move for them.

我认为俄克拉荷马在那场比赛的下半场就已经亮出底牌了。

OKC I think already made their moves by the second half of that game.

我不确定。

I don't know.

我觉得俄克拉荷马还有一些办法能给亚历山大创造空间。

There there there are some things it feels like OKC can do to free up SGA.

咱们还得看看会不会有新的战术出来。

You know, we're gonna see some innovation yet.

具体会是什么呢？

Like what though?

要让韦ell发挥，我觉得会有一些独特的掩护配合，你懂的。

To get Well, I mean, there'll there'll be some unique screening kind of situations, you know.

我猜我们会看到一个版本的SGA，就像斯蒂芬那样找到空位。

We're gonna see a version of SGA, I imagine, that's akin to the way that Steph gets free.

他们会用掩护把他从底线压下来，让他跑动。

They run him off of off of, you know, pinned down.

他得跑完整个进攻回合。

He's running the entirety of

不，这可不是他本来的打法。

possession No, that's not the totally his game though.

我在想，当文班亚马下场时，他们会不会错开安排，让SGA在那十分钟没有文班亚马的时段上场，类似这样的安排。

I was wondering are they gonna stagger him for when Wemby's out of the game, you bring him, you try to have SGA in the ten non Wemby minutes and stuff like that.

只是想试试看。

To just try

这听起来也是个不错的办法，但他们得适应，SGA也得接受，现在他得变成一个中距离射手了。

to That also sounds like a fine way of doing it, but what they have to get comfortable with, and what SGA has to get comfortable with is he's gotta be a mid range shooter now.

你没法直接冲到篮下。

You just can't go to the rim.

根本到不了篮筐附近。

You can't get to the rim.

俄克拉荷马城队的处境明显受到了巨大影响。

And then you can see Oklahoma City palpably, dramatically impacted.

这不只是盖帽和干扰投篮的问题，更是禁区已经彻底被封锁了。

It's not just the blocks and the altered shots, it's that the lane is no longer available.

你得学会适应中距离投篮，那种打法，你我小时候看的正是这种篮球。

You have to become comfortable in the mid range, and that is a version of basketball that you and I watched.

我们那一代人就是这么长大的，但现在的篮球已经不是这样打了。

We grew up with it, but that's not how they play modern basketball.

是的，确实有些不错的数据。

Yeah, there were some good stats.

德莱伊的四三，还有大卫·李——虽然那是他的推特账号——提到过，SGA整个赛季平均每场突破19次，传球比例占38%。

Dealey four three, David Lee, that's his Twitter account though, was talking about how SGA drives basically 19 times a game during the season, and passes 38% of the time.

但昨晚他突破了30次，其中54%的时间选择了传球，对吧？

But last night, 30 drives, and he passed 54% of the time, right?

这看起来不算特别大变化，但看比赛的时候就是有这种感觉。

So it's not a huge thing, but it felt that way watching it.

他一直在试图找位置，可每次都有文班亚马在那儿等着。

Like, he was trying to get to spots, and there was always Wemby.

有个听众给我发了封特别棒的邮件，建议给文班亚马换个外号，叫‘大白鲨’。

I had this reader, listener sent this great email about how we should nickname, change Wemby's nickname to Jaws.

因为当对手冲进禁区时，就像游泳者下水一样，人一多，文班亚马就在那儿晃悠，活像穿着鲨鱼服的捕食者。

Because when the people decide to go in the paint, it's like when the swimmers go in the water, and it's like, and they're tripling and just And then Wemby's just kinda looming around with the shark costume.

但确实能感觉到他变了，我不太清楚杰伦是怎么调整的，但杰伦明显没那么自在了。

But it does feel like he's changed I don't know how SJ snaps out of it, but SJ just didn't seem as comfortable.

他反而最放松的时候，是往后退一步投三分的时候，对吧？

He actually seemed the most comfortable just doing step back threes, right?

这主意不错，真的可以试试。

So that could work, that could work.

我的意思是，他可是联盟MVP，俄克拉荷马城肯定会拿出些新花样来。

I mean he is the MVP of the league, we are going to see some wrinkles out of this Oklahoma City.

这正是为什么这场系列赛感觉如此精彩的原因。

This is part of why this series feels so rich.

因为从战术层面来看，我预计每场比赛都能看到新东西。

It's because the strategy element of this, I expect to see something new every game.

我觉得这场系列赛里，不可能有两场一模一样的比赛。

We're not gonna see the same game twice, I don't feel like in this series.

对了，你有没有想过，这场比赛里我们会不会看到他们开始对文班亚马下手，故意找麻烦？

Well you know what else we might see in this game, this game too, is hey, can we start roughing up Wemby here?

今天早上有个视频流传开来，说的是切特在罚球时踩了他的脚，你看了吗？

There was a clip that went around this morning about Chet stepping on his foot during her free throw, did you see that?

没，我没看到。

No, didn't see it.

他们俩在争抢篮板时站在一起，球一出手，切特就故意踩他脚，想让他绊倒。我不禁想，他们会不会接下来就用这一套，不断干扰他的心态。

They were next to each other boxing out, and right when the ball went up, Chet just stepped on his foot to try to trip him, and I wonder if they're gonna start doing a whole bunch of stuff like that and trying to get in his head.

圣安东尼奥这边，其实没有那种专门负责强硬防守的球员。

One thing with San Antonio, they don't really have an enforcer.

如果你要用哈滕斯坦，那他身上可是有六次犯规的。

Well, this is like, if you're gonna play Hartenstein, he has six fouls.

哈滕斯坦上场的意义，就在于他能带来这六次犯规。

Like that's the point of Isaiah Hartenstein being on the floor, is the six fouls that he brings

我知道这么一来，反而让文班亚马在另一端彻底放开了。

I know to the that it just unleashes Wemby on the other end.

他想怎么打就怎么打，完全没人管得了。

He can just do whatever he wants.

不过你说得对，也许真该用这种办法去消耗他。

But you're right, maybe use them to beat him up.

我觉得最终还是得靠切特去盯防他，毕竟让后卫去防他，虽然一度奏效，让卡鲁索找到了感觉，但代价是丢了太多前场篮板。

I think ultimately Chet's gonna have to figure out a way to defend him, because the problem with putting the guards on him, which sort of worked and got Caruso going, but then you give up all these offensive rebounds.

他昨晚一个人抢了九个前场篮板。

Like he had nine offensive rebounds last night.

所以你虽然限制他接球，但每场比赛等于白白送他们六到八次进攻机会，这代价实在太大了。

So you're making it harder for him to get the ball, but then on possessions, you're giving them like an extra six, seven, eight possessions a game, and I don't think that's worth it.

从长远看，文班亚马这种球员，我们这辈子都没见过像威尔特那样的。

Big picture on Wemby, we weren't there for Wilt.

我们这一代人记得的是七十年代戴护目镜的贾巴尔，还有八十年代那个已经不再巅峰的贾巴尔。

We were there for We're old enough to remember seventies Kareem with the goggles, and then obviously eighties Kareem when he wasn't really the same.

但文班亚马现在打球的感觉，真就像当年你去现场看球，眼睁睁看着韦恩·韦伯把所有人按在地上摩擦。

But this does feel like what that must have been like when you just went to a game and Woe was just destroying everybody.

没错。

Sure.

这些年我们见过不少伟大的中锋，也一直很喜欢讨论和观看他们的比赛。

We've had some great centers over the years that we've certainly loved talking about and loved watching.

但能像他这样两端都统治比赛，彻底击垮对手士气的，还真没有——对了，还没提他那个32英尺的超远投，那真是我眼中本世纪最震撼的瞬间之一。

But when somebody can do it on both ends like that, and just completely destroy the psyche of a crowd, and you know, we didn't talk about the thirty two foot shy yet, which was one of the great moments of the century for for me.

就和斯蒂芬·库里那个位置一模一样，简直让人当场炸裂。

Like an all time holy shit from the exact Steph Curry spot.

你当时觉得能进吗？

Did you think it was going in?

我其实觉得能进。

Because I actually did.

我不明白

I don't

为什么会这样。

know why.

发生这种事就是因为我就喜欢这样。

It happened because I I like like it.

我当时既惊又喜，而且我儿子在我身边，我一把拉住他。

It was both an oh, and I was actually I had my kid with me, because I grabbed him.

我说，你快看这个。

I'm like, you gotta watch this.

你可不能错过这个。

You are not permitted.

这可太棒了。

This is Yeah.

这个。

This

绝对值得一看。

is must watch.

等你长大以后，一定会指着这个说，这是个特别重要的时刻。

You're gonna be pointing to this, you know, as you grow up as, you know, something significant.

我们俩都惊了，他一出现，我就说：哎哟。

And we both I had an, oh, I was like when he pulled up, I go, oh.

我当时就感叹：哎哟，你懂的。

And I was like, oh, you know.

那是什么东西？

What are those?

那是什么东西？

What are those?

简直不敢相信。

Like unbelievable.

当时正在找

Was looking

因为他特别喜欢那个投篮动作。

for it because he he kinda likes that shot.

问题是，他离得太远了。

Problem was he

他距离太远了。

was so far away.

但

But

我看到他一路跟着跑，本来只是在看，结果他一出手，我以为他会停住，没想到他离那么远还直接投了出去。

I saw him trailing, and I was like, kinda just watching it, but then when he pulled up, I thought he was gonna stop and realized he was too far, and he just just fired it.

有人把库里用Breen's Double Bang投进的片段，和维克托·文班亚马的投篮剪辑在一起，时间点完全对上了，两个人的动作几乎重叠， whoever 做了这个剪辑，真是绝了。

Somebody took the clip of Steph doing it with Breen's Double Bang and synced up the timing with Wemby, they're on top of each other, and it's really, whoever did it, extraordinary job.

其实就是同一个位置，对吧？

It's basically the same spot, right?

没错，你看得出来，真正厉害的是斯蒂芬和文班亚马站在了球场上的同一个点。

It is, it You can see, that's what makes it so impressive is that Stephan and Wemby are in the same spot on the floor.

我回去重读了当年勒布朗对阵活塞那场48分赛后我写的文章，那时候感觉这是我们所有人期待的终极时刻。

I went back and I read the piece that I wrote after LeBron's 48 special against Detroit, and you know, was like this real last potential thing for all of us.

其实我觉得我那篇文章写得还不错。

And I thought I actually, I actually kinda liked what I wrote.

我当时觉得，嗯，多少捕捉到了一点那种感觉——就是这么个家伙，拥有所有天赋，我们都在猜他体内是不是真藏着这种能量，日复一日、周复一周地等着，盼着哪天能爆发，结果真就发生了。

I was like, all right, I kinda captured that one a little bit, but it was basically like, here's this guy with all these tools, and we're hoping it's inside him, and we're watching game after game, week after week, kind of hoping something like this will happen, and then it started happening.

现在他面对的是2007年的活塞队，那支队伍已经有点老了。

Now he's doing that against an o seven Pistons team that was getting a little long in the tooth.

那一年联盟整体实力挺弱的。

The league's pretty weak that year.

当时也就五支球队算有点实力，骑士队能打进总决赛，靠的还是历史上最弱的总决赛球队之一。

There's only like five teams that, you know, the Cavs made the finals that year with one of the worst finals teams we've had.

但那确实是个关键时刻，发生的时候就感觉特别有希望。

But it was a moment, and it was like a really good sign when it happened.

哎，这小子，他真有可能行。

Like, oh, this guy, he really might have it.

这可能是真正能挑战乔丹的人。

Like, this might be like a real Jordan challenger.

这是我们第一次真正看到，他身上确实有某种非凡的特质。

This is the first real sign we have that there's some real specialness here.

我早就觉得维姆比是这样的球员了。

I already felt that way with Wemby.

甚至赛前我们还在发消息聊MVP的事，这事之所以引人注目，是因为篮球史上有过类似的情况——乔丹和马龙在97年，还有哈基姆和罗宾逊。

And even we were texting before the game, the MVP thing, it was like notable because of the history of what's happened in basketball with this, with Jordan and Malone in 'ninety seven, and with Hakeem and Robinson.

这事儿挺有意思的。

It was like, this is interesting.

他肯定不爽SGA拿了MVP。

He's not gonna like that they gave SGA the MVP.

我觉得他最让我欣赏的地方就是，他真是个十足的混蛋。

And I think that's my favorite thing about him about anything is I think he's a real fucking dick.

他就是个好胜到骨子里的人。

Like he's a competitive motherfucker.

你看过他观看颁奖仪式的那个视频吗？

Did I love you see that video of him watching the ceremony?

他看起来气得不行。

He was like pissed off.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

还有我们刚才聊到的那些历史对比，真的让人特别着迷。

That that that I mean, and all of those historical parallels that we just eat up.

我们确实觉得很有意思。

We just Yeah.

不可能

Can't

这就是我们喜欢的地方。

get This is what we love.

然后我们还能得好处，我的意思是，马刺队那场篮球赛其实有好几种输法。

And then we get the benefit, I mean, there was a half dozen different ways for the Spurs to lose that basketball game.

确实如此。

It sure was.

你有没有想到，当他们三分球命中率只有32.3%的时候？

Did you think Including the when they 32.3.

对，那是第一个加时赛。

Yeah, and that was the first overtime.

没错。

Yeah.

那时候他们落后三分。

They were down three at that point.

那根本不是常规时间，是在加时赛里。

It wasn't even regulation, it was in overtime.

我以为他们要输了。

Thought they were gonna lose.

真的。

That.

我也觉得他们会输。

I thought they were gonna Me lose too.

我当时在想那些时间。

I thought of the minutes.

是的。

I Yeah.

我们从来没见他打过这种球，没了福克斯的影响有多大，哈珀和卡斯特的上场时间增加了，还有那些失误。

Because We haven't seen it out of out of him, and the impact of no Fox, what that meant, you know, the extra minutes on Harper, the extra minutes on Castle, and the turnovers.

哈珀和卡斯特加起来一共失误了多少次？

I mean, did Harper and Castle combine for turnover wise?

他们完全乱了阵脚。

They were discombobulated.

我一直在回想那场周六丹佛对圣安东尼奥的比赛，太精彩了，直接打到加时。

I kept thinking back to that Denver, that Saturday Denver San Antonio game that was awesome, that went in overtime.

那是约基奇最后的巅峰之战。

Jokic's last great game.

那场比赛让我把他排在我MVP选票的第二位。

The game that earned Jokic number two on my MVP ballot.

我觉得韦姆比在那场加时赛里体力透支了，明显看得出来。

I thought Wemby got tired in the overtime of that game, and you could see.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以昨晚看比赛的时候，我一直以为他会撑不住，结果他一点都没垮。

So when I was watching the game last night, I kept thinking he was gonna wear down, and he just didn't.

可能是比赛氛围激发了斗志，也可能是他们好几天没打了，但我从没见过他看起来这么有劲。

Like whether it was the adrenaline of what was going on, or the fact that they hadn't played for a couple days, but I'd never thought he looked that tired.

赛后马刺的人说他两条腿像软了一样，简直不敢相信他还能完成那次进攻。

The Spurs guys after the game said he had no legs, we couldn't believe he took that.

我从没觉得他累了，因为我觉得他一旦真累了，就会开始摔倒，那种状态是看得出来的。

I never felt like he was worn out, because I think when he gets worn out he starts falling down and you can kind of see it.

昨晚我完全没这种感觉。

I didn't feel that way last night.

我觉得他确实有点疲态，但我觉得俄克拉荷马城队没法像明尼苏达那样施加那么大的身体对抗，具体情况还得再看看。

I felt like he showed some fatigue, but I think that Oklahoma City couldn't be, can't be, we'll see how it goes, as physical as Minnesota was.

所以对他来说，打俄克拉荷马城其实算是喘了口气，因为他根本不用应付那种贴身肉搏。

So like, think it was a little bit of a breather for him against Oklahoma City because he just didn't have to take on any of that physicality.

明尼苏达的身材是真的有优势，他们唯一能抗衡的办法就是死死缠着他、推他、贴着他，还能轮换戈贝尔和兰德尔来干这活儿。

I mean, the size of Minnesota was legit, and it was the only way for them to really compete was to lean on him, to push him, to be in his space, and they could rotate Gobert and Randall in that role.

俄克拉荷马城可没有这种球员。

Oklahoma City doesn't have that.

没错。

No.

关于文班亚马，这话我说得认真一点，我真的觉得他在竞技精神上样样俱全。

The other thing with Wemby, don't say this lightly, I really feel like he checks all the competitive boxes.

即使我亲眼见过他比赛，也从没觉得他敷衍了事、不在意比赛。

Even when I've seen him in person, I don't feel like he's mailing it in, doesn't give a shit.

我觉得他真的很在乎，始终保持着强烈的竞争心，就像当年的乔丹那样。

Like I feel like he really cares, and he's really competitive all the time, though honestly the way Jordan was.

那正是我们当年特别欣赏乔丹的一点。

That was one of the things we loved about Jordan.

乔丹总是全情投入，对比赛保持应有的竞争态度和尊重，打起来就恨不得把对手撕碎。

Jordan always cared, he always put the proper level of competitiveness and respect on the game, and really like just wanted to cut everybody's throat out.

文班亚马身上，确实有那么一点这样的劲头。

And it does feel like Wemby's wired like that a little bit.

对于中锋来说，这种特质非常罕见。

For a center, that's a really rare trait.

这正是点燃他的那把火。

That's the accelerant.

这就是为什么我们现在不得不重新审视之前的判断：一支年轻球队到底能多快凝聚成形，真正构成威胁。

This is why we're in this position where we're having to revisit our priors on how quickly can a young team come together and really properly threaten.

NBA历史上到处都是有天赋但缺乏篮球智慧、缺乏经验、不懂得在关键场合应对的年轻球队。

The history of the NBA is littered with upstart teams, upstart young teams who have the talent, but don't have the basketball IQ, the wherewithal, the the you know, the reps under these high leverage moments.

我在想，是不是只有76人队做到了这一点。

And I wonder if It's the 77 is the only team

确实只有他们做到了。

that did it.

这真是让人很意外，我

That's a really I

他们在常规赛里是不是一直在积累这些关键比赛的经验。

wonder if they were accumulating those reps over the regular season.

这话说得

This How about

我的意思是

is I mean

文班亚马，奥运会是不是他积累这些实战经验的方式？

Did Wemby, was the Olympics his version of those reps?

我收到过好几封这样的邮件，因为大家觉得他肯定经历过那种场面，不可能连自己的血都没见过。

I got that email a few times from people, because it's not like, oh, he's never tasted his own blood.

毕竟他在24年奥运会上确实打过比赛，对吧？

It's like, he actually did it in the twenty four Olympics, right?

那是他第一次

That was the first time he

这确实花了一些时间。

That's took first some time

重拳出击。

haymakers.

斯蒂芬让他见识了一下，他也终于明白了那种感觉。

Steph gave it to him, and he got to understand what it was like.

所以我刚才在想，常规赛里每场对雷霆的比赛都像是一场公投，真的非常重要。

This is why I was wondering aloud about this idea of each of those games against Oklahoma City in the regular season as referendum Like really matters.

作为衡量标准，他们整个赛季都表现得非常出色。

As measuring stick And they kicked ass all season long.

他们从不偷懒，你说得对。

They did not take nights off, your observation, to your point.

没错。

That's right.

他们确实没有。

They didn't.

这种竞争力不光来自文班亚马一个人。

That competitiveness, and it wasn't just Wemby.

而是整个马刺队，毕竟文班亚马缺席了不少比赛。

It was that whole Spurs team, because Wemby missed a whole bunch of games.

是啊，我知道。

Yeah, I know.

但他们还是赢下了那么多场，比预期的胜场多了整整二十多场。

And they still, know, won the number that they won, and it was like 25 games over whatever their win total, 20 games over what their forecasted win total was supposed to be like.

我上周日就说，我真的觉得他们会赢下这个系列赛，我觉得韦姆比的情况，接下来四周我们会慢慢看清这背后意味着什么。

I said Sunday, I genuinely thought they were gonna win this series, and I think Wemby, I just think we're gonna be coming to grips with what's happening here over the course of the next four weeks.

我之前看到有人在争论，说这不代表他就是联盟的门面，也不代表他要承担那么多东西。

I was on one text ride where they were like, oh, this doesn't mean he's the face of the league, and doing all that stuff.

其实我都不太明白什么叫‘联盟门面’。

And it's like, don't know what face of the league means.

我只知道，这是自库里和勇士队在2010年代中期以来，联盟最吸引人的电视观赛盛况。

I just know that this is the biggest appointment TV viewing that the league has had since Curry and the Warriors in the middle two thousand tens.

这种事并不常发生，我们一度不确定会不会再有谁带来这样的热度，但我们一直努力把队里的球员推到合适的位置。

And this doesn't happen very often, we weren't sure if it was gonna happen again with anybody we had, and we always try to put the guys that we have in position.

你和我都喜欢看小加索尔打球。

You you and I love watching Joker.

不是每个人都喜欢看，但韦姆比不一样，他个子高、技术好、风格独特，而且他真的在乎比赛，这让他吸引了所有人。

Not everyone loves watching We love Wemby appeals to every single person, because of how tall he is, and how skilled he is, and how unusual he is, and how much he gives a shit.

我觉得这可能会成为过去十年里，非总决赛系列赛中观看人数最多的一次，你懂的。

And I think this will end up being probably the most watched series non finals that the league has had at least in ten years, you know?

这绝对能通过妈妈测试。

It definitely passes the mom test.

我敢打赌，那些平时不看体育的人，今天肯定跟你提过韦姆比的比赛，对吧？

I'm sure whoever's mom or dad that doesn't follow sports probably brought up the Wemby game to you today, right?

或者至少跟正在听的其他人提过。

Or to whoever's listening.

就是，这情况太明显了，

It's just Yeah, the way it

错过这场的人，明天晚上绝对不会再错过。

people who missed it, they won't miss tomorrow night.

他们不会错过周三晚上的比赛，这绝对是必须观看的节目。

They won't miss, you know, the Wednesday night game, because it is absolutely appointment TV.

我们有联盟现任MVP萨尔加多，他是个有争议的人物，舆论已经发生了一些转变，甚至可以说是大幅转变，

We have the reigning MVP of the league in SGA, that's a controversial figure, know, the worm has turned a little bit a lot

你得明白，

of, You gotta

要从SGA身上拿到50比50的犯规判罚。

get fifty fifty on foul merchant out of SGA.

他们昨天已经这么判了。

They went call them yesterday.

昨天的裁判判得非常好。

The refs were great yesterday.

两边我都觉得挺公正的。

I liked it on both sides.

我也是这么想的，觉得比赛很公平。

You and me both, I thought it was fine.

这场比赛判得非常公正。

Thought it was a very fair game.

但你想想，把这和一个我们都没见过的球员放在一起。

But you know, you put that alongside a player that none of us have seen.

昨晚贾马尔·克劳福德还说，他从没见过这样的球员。

You had Jamal Crawford last night say, we've never seen a guy like this before.

我们真有点消化不了这个情况。

We can't really process it.

说实话，我对雷吉·米勒有点看法。

I mean I have my quibbles with Reggie Miller.

哦。

Oh

真的吗？

really?

天哪。

Oh god.

天哪。

Oh god.

我还是别多说了。

I'll just leave it alone.

没什么好说的。

There's no reason.

他是个

He's a

挺不错的人。

nice guy.

迪伦·哈珀。

Dylan Harper.

好吧，我们来吧。

Okay, let's

就这么办。

do it.

我昨天和我女儿一起看了比赛，她待会儿也会来参加这个播客，当时她心不在焉的。

I watched the game yesterday with my daughter, who's coming up later on the podcast actually, who was half paying attention all the time.

有一刻她转过头对我说：哇，你真的特别喜欢迪伦·哈珀。

And at one point she turned to me and said, wow, you really love Dylan Harper.

他是你最喜欢的非凯尔特人球员吗？

Is he like your favorite non Celtic?

我就说，我觉得他可能真是。

And I said, I think he might be.

我觉得在库里之后，最让我喜欢的就是德兰·哈珀。

Think like after Yoko Chia Curry, just love Dylan Harper.

我特别喜欢他的打球方式。

I love how he plays.

我都觉得自己像科林斯沃思了。

I sound like Collinsworth.

我真的很喜欢这孩子。

I just love that kid.

我也特别喜欢比尔·霍特斯珀。

I love Bill Hotspur.

我真的特别特别喜欢这孩子。

I just love that kid so much.

昨天我简直看呆了，他们说，福克斯没上场，我们知道你才二十岁，也知道你们要面对的可能是过去十五年里防守后卫阵容最强的球队。

I was just in awe of what he was doing yesterday, where they're like, hey Fox isn't playing, we know you're 20, and we know we're going against the team that has the best collection of defensive guards, probably over the last fifteen years.

你今天能打四十分钟以上吗？干点活儿，偶尔自己单打，再抢几个篮板？

Do you think you could give us forty plus minutes today, and do a whole bunch of shit, and maybe go ISO every once in a while, and go grab some rebounds?

哦，对了，去抄对手的传球路线，能拿多少次抢断？

Oh, and jump in the passing lanes and get what do you have?

七次抢断？

Seven steals?

再拿几个关键篮板，七次抢断。

And get big rebounds Seven steals.

别累着啊，你明明才大二学生而已。

In Oh, and don't get tired, even though you should be like a sophomore in college.

我觉得他昨天的表现简直太疯了。

I thought what he did was out of control.

加时赛关键时刻，我一直在给朋友发消息，眼看着局势越来越糟，就在想：为啥不给哈珀多打点球？

And if anything, I was texting people during crunch time in the OTs, you know, as the castle thing was really going sideways, like why don't they run stuff for Harper?

为啥不给他设计个高位挡拆，再配个射手？

Why don't they run high pick and roll for him with a shooter?

我觉得俄克拉荷马队很难防住这一招。

Like I wanna see, I think OKC would have trouble defending that.

然后把球传到前场，好几次都是他最后完成进攻。

And hit the ball across half court, know, and ended up being the guy a bunch of times.

是的，这轮系列赛他们真的很需要他，但昨天他的表现，我真的特别佩服。

Yeah, think they really need him in this series, but what he did yesterday, I thought, was just, I was so impressed.

我得说一句，哈斯，你知道我从不随便说这种话，毕竟你认识我都快四十年了。

And I'll say this, Hass, you know I don't say stuff like this lightly, because you've known me for almost forty years.

我记得当年在大学看到这小子的时候，头五年，他第一次被交易的时候，我连网络专栏都没有。

To me, like we saw kid in college, and you know, the first five years, you and I were, I didn't even have a internet column when he got traded the first time.

你和我那时候都气疯了，他们居然把他交易到达拉斯。

And you and I were so apoplectic that they traded him Dallas.

我们简直不敢相信，怎么能把杰森·基德给交易了？

We were like, how do you trade Jason Kidd?

你们是不是疯了，这太离谱了。

Are you guys, like that's insane.

你怎么可能在百万年里做出这种事？

How do you ever in a million years do that?

我一想到他，就想起2000年代中期的克里斯·保罗。

I think of him, I think of Chris Paul in the mid two thousands.

我们说的是史上前50名的球员，是我们这辈子见过的最出色的年轻控卫之一。

Like, we're talking about like top 50 guys ever, and some of the best young guards we've seen in our lifetime.

我觉得他会达到那些人的水平。

And I think he's gonna be as good as those guys.

我真的这么觉得。

I really do.

我觉得他会成为名人堂级别的球员，多次入选最佳阵容一阵的控卫。

I think he's gonna be like a hall of fame, multiple first team OMBA type of guard.

有意思的是，如果你在他们选中哈珀时就持有他的股票，推动股价实现十倍回报的关键因素，就是他和维克托·文班亚马搭档时能打得多自由。

Well the cool thing is, if you had Harper stock when they drafted him, An important element of what's going to propel that stock into return on investment, you know, double digit strata, is how free he can play basketball with playing alongside Victor Wemby, yeah.

他真是和文班亚马搭档的完美人选。

It's he's the perfect guy to play with him.

他简直完美。

He's absolutely perfect.

他昨晚三分球七投只进了一个。

That's exact he only shot one for seven from from from three last night.

我知道。

I know.

但好在他冲到罚球线得分了。

And and it would've been but he got to the free throw line.

他拿了整整十一个篮板。

I mean, he's the multi fast 11 rebounds.

他怎么做到拿到这么多篮板的？

Like, how is he getting double digit rebounds?

这正是球队需要他做的，他能及时落位把球抢下来。

Well, that that's what the team needed out of him, and and, you know, he was able to drop down and grab.

而且他突破时的沉着冷静也很关键。

And and the poise going to the hole.

就是这种沉着和身体对抗。

Is what Poise and physicality.

没错，就是这样。

There you go, that's it.

对，完全正确。

That's right, exactly.

他扛下了每一次冲撞，承受了所有身体接触，这正是马刺队在这系列赛中如此强势的原因——我觉得他们能在身体对抗上压倒俄克拉荷马城。

He took every bump, he took every bit of and this is why the Spurs are so live in the series, it's because I think they can out physical Oklahoma City.

是的。

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

他们扛住了明尼苏达带来的冲击。

They took the blow that Minnesota represented.

明尼苏达那场是个警钟。

Minnesota was a wake up call.

那系列赛的第一场，就是给马刺队的一记警钟。

Game one of that series was a wake up call for these Spurs.

欢迎来到季后赛，各位。

Welcome to the playoffs, gentlemen.

是的，我们现在正式开打了。

Yeah, now we've officially started.

没错。

Right.

值得称赞的是，他们及时调整了状态。

And to their great credit, they recalibrated.

他们心想，好吧，这就是我们手里的牌，这就是我们能做的。

They're like, oh, okay, well here's what we have, Here's what we can do.

他们完全能应对那种身体对抗。

And they could handle that physicality.

我觉得明尼苏达队其实帮了他们大忙。

I think Minnesota did them a great service