小丑已离场，波士顿或成下一个。此外，还有MLB鸡尾酒派对和与罗布·马奥尼、比利·吉尔、杰森·孔塞普西翁共同参与的《幸存者50》。

他们本来就是被看衰的一方。

They were underdogs.

我想说他们打得真不错，但打完这场，大家第一反应居然是：天啊，塔图姆又伤了？

I wanna talk about how good they were, but coming out of that it's like, oh my god, Tatum's hurt again?

是啊。

Yeah.

这次是另一条腿的小腿吗？

And it's the other calf?

这场输得已经够糟了。

Like this loss was bad enough.

现在我都在推特上搜‘小腿拉伤’‘抽筋’这些词了。

Now I'm on Twitter googling strained calf cramp.

我还在给朋友发消息说，这场球简直像熬了三个小时的噩梦。

I'm texting people like this was just this game was a three hour nightmare.

对凯尔特人来说，这确实是一场噩梦。

It it was a nightmare for the Celtics.

我的意思是，塔图姆上半场看起来确实不太一样。

I mean, Tatum did look different in the first half.

我觉得他打得挺顺的，突破特别流畅，中投也投得特别好。

I thought he was more successful, certainly had some like really smooth drives, some really good pull up jumpers.

但整个人状态跟以前不太一样了。

Was not quite the same guy.

不过话说回来，费城的外线防守和他们的侧翼在这轮系列赛里简直太神了。

But even then, I mean, Philly's perimeter defense and their wings in this series have just been sensational.

比如凯利·乌布雷，主要盯防杰伦·布朗，但换防的时候也特别到位。

Like, Kelly Oubre on like, guarding Jalen Brown mostly, but switching over.

保罗·乔治，我的天啊。

Paul George, Jesus Christ.

这简直就是季后赛模式全开，我见过他最猛的一次。

Like, playoff p in his fullest effect maybe ever.

是啊。

Yeah.

这些球员加上那些随时能补位的万能侧翼，真的太关键了——每次塔图姆或者布朗想在快攻中提速，想趁那些贴身防守的侧翼没跟上来时找机会，昆汀·格里姆斯就立刻补过来。

The combination of those guys plus just all the interchangeable parts where, you know, it's been so telling that every time a Tatom or Brown wants to get ahead of steam in transition, wants to, like, take advantage of those moments where these smothering wings might not be on them, Quentin Grimes just slides over.

维贾伊·埃德姆博也立刻补过来。

Vijay Edgecombe just slides over.

贾斯汀·安德森也立马补上。

Justin Anderson just slides over.

他们手里简直有数不清的优质侧翼，换人跟换衣服一样，搞得波士顿这边根本无计可施。

They just have so many of these guys, like, an endless pit of good wings who they can plug and And it's proven really difficult for Boston to do basically anything with.

你刚才说的这些里，最狠的一点是，保罗·乔治在这场直接压过了他俩。

The worst part of everything you said is that Paul George outplayed both guys in this case.

没错。

Yes.

完全碾压。

Straight up.

整个系列赛，保罗·乔治都打得特别出色。

And Paul George has been really good this whole series.

我们聊过好多次了，每次我做复盘都会提到。

We've talked about it, every pot I've done.

我觉得他今晚这场球打得最好。

I thought this was the best game he's played tonight.

他好几次进攻都打出了20投21中的保罗·乔治水准。

He was twenty twenty one Paul George offensively a few times.

防守端我觉得他们完全压制住了布朗。

Defensively, I thought he I think they've just throttled Brown.

布朗今晚简直烂透了，第五场我也觉得他没好到哪儿去。

I mean, Brown was terrible tonight, and I didn't think he was very good in game five either.

数据有点骗人。

The stats were a little deceiving.

我觉得他进的那些球，根本算不上好球。

I thought even the shots he made weren't great shots.

又吃了个进攻犯规，但你知道吗？整个赛季他可是见谁灭谁，从路·唐德开始，联盟里 toughest 的防守者他都能硬凿出机会。

Got yet another offensive foul, but I thought, you know, this was a guy that during the season was scoring on everybody, and getting the shots he wanted on every good defender in the league from Lou Dordon down.

在这轮系列赛里，他怎么都投不出自己想要的球，对上费城任何外线球员都不行，对方还特别有信心防他。

And in this series, could not seem to get the shot he wants against any perimeter guy on Philadelphia, and they seem really confident on it.

半场时我发了条推文，简直不敢信凯尔特人上半场打得这么烂，全是当球迷的最担心的事——比如德里克·怀特看起来状态不太稳。

And I tweeted something at halftime about I just couldn't believe how bad the Celtics were in that first half, where it was all the things you're worried about, if you're a Celtic fan going in, where it's like, Derrick White looks a little rickety.

是啊。

Yep.

我们推进得太慢了。

We're going too slow.

慢慢悠悠地过半场，真让人受不了。

We're walking it up, hate that.

没错。

Mhmm.

密苏拉现在彻底在板凳上放弃了。

Missoula has now quit on the bench.

上半场，普里查德是唯一一个从替补席上得分的球员。

I think in the first half, Pritchard was the only guy that had any bench points.

整个替补席这群平时能翻盘的家伙，这次全怂了。

None of the other this whole bench mob, these guys that would swing these games, punted on that.

让塔图姆和布朗打那么多分钟，结果呢？

Playing Tatum and Brown big minutes, well what happens?

塔图姆可能在第三节受伤了。

Tatum may have gotten hurt in the third quarter.

他今年动不动就打四十二分钟、四十分钟。

He's playing forty two and forty minute games this year.

我记得他场均差不多四十分钟，或者三十八分钟吧，反正差不多。

I think he was averaging forty minutes a game or thirty eight a game or something like that.

那尼姆什·加特是不是手脚都不听使唤了？

What about a Nimesh Gat may not have control of his limbs?

我那几个愚蠢的犯规全被对手抓下来了。

I had dumb Kata fouls ripped down.

沃奇是不是真不行了？

Is Vooch terrible?

我觉得这个问题一直萦绕在凯尔特人球迷心头——他根本没法打，更糟的是，那个整个赛季都没出现过的糟糕版杰伦·布朗，突然就冒出来了。

I think has been lurking as a question with Celtic fans, and he's basically been unplayable, and then on top of it, like this bad version of Jaylen Brown that just hasn't been there all season, all of a sudden shows up.

所以这又是一场实打实的胜利。

So it was another legitimate win.

给你个数据，罗布。

Here's a stat for you, Rob.

说吧。

Please.

凯尔特人这个赛季得分最低的几节比赛。

Lowest scoring quarters the Celtics have had all season.

10月24日对尼克斯，第二节只得了14分；12月11日对雄鹿，第三节13分；第五场第四节11分；今天第三节又来了个14分。

14 in the second quarter against New York on October 24, 13 in the third quarter against Milwaukee on December 11, 11 in the fourth quarter of game five, and fourteen in the third quarter today.

天哪。

Yikes.

他们赛季最差的四节里，有两节都发生在最近这两场比赛中。

Two of the worst quarters they've had, two of the four worst quarters they've had all season happened in the last two games.

他们在第五场下半场的某个阶段，一直到第六场的整个上半场，整整一场比赛都被打得毫无还手之力，直到第三节才缓过劲来。

And they had a stretch of the second half of game five into the entire first half of game six, where they just got their ass kicked for a full game leading into third quarter.

我知道第七场是在主场打，但他们的表现真让我担心。

So, you know, I know game seven's at home, but I don't like the way they're playing.

我觉得费城队现在信心爆棚。

I think Philly has a ton of confidence.

恩比德是个变量，我觉得他这场的表现远不如上一场，要不是他投篮手感差，费城赢个30分都可能。不过即便如此，他还是极具威胁。

Embiid's a variable, I don't I didn't think he was nearly as effective in this game as he was in the last game, And I thought actually, if he had shot better, they could have won that game by 30, but he's still impactful.

你心里还是放不下他。

You're still thinking about him.

你说他们冒险在第四场让他上场，干脆赌一把，因为实在不知道怎么用他，这招是不是真奏效了？

And I guess, would you say the gamble of playing him game four and basically plunking on that game because they couldn't figure out how to incorporate him.

看来这步棋是走对了。

I guess that's paid off.

对吧？

Right?

显然得慢慢来，得搞清楚怎么让整个进攻体系在恩比德上场的情况下全面运转起来。

Well, had to ease into it clearly and figure out how to manage their offense firing on all cylinders at once with Embiid involved.

我觉得吧，能在系列赛中途把他加进来，给整个局势带来了特别有意思的转折。

I think, I mean, introducing him in mid series has given the whole dynamic a really interesting jolt.

因为通常来说，作为被看好的一方，到后期——咱们待会儿可以聊聊尼克斯和老鹰那场，你会发现强队慢慢就把节奏攥在手里了。

Because, right, usually when you're a favored team, by the end of it, I mean, we're gonna talk about what happened with the Knicks and the Hawks, for example, you see the superior team kinda like tightening its grip overall.

对。

Yeah.

他们慢慢就知道该用哪些球员了。

Like, they learn which players they need to play.

知道该按哪些按钮，到最后，感觉一切都尽在掌握。

They learn which buttons they need to push, and by the end, they feel like they're in control.

对。

Yeah.

但突然把恩比德扔进来，彻底改变了整个系列赛的打法、谁被盯防、凯尔特人该怎么站位，全都不一样了。

But throwing an MB, like, changed everything about how the series is played, who is guarded, where like, how the Celtics are aligned.

你在这场比赛里就能看出来，虽然他得分不高，但把对方球员都逼得犯规了。

And you could see it in this game where even though he isn't scoring well, he's getting guys in foul trouble.

他故意引诱凯尔特人包夹，让他们过度反应。

He's baiting the Celtics into overreaction with double teams.

他给76人提供了一个很好的进攻支点，不用总依赖马克西或者保罗·乔治单打。

He gives the Sixers like a good way to steady their offense where they don't have to just like go through Maxey so much or go through Paul George so much.

他们现在能真正平衡进攻，不那么依赖个人了。

They can actually kind of counterbalance this stuff.

我觉得他还特别关键，限制了凯尔特人的前场篮板——前三节他们总共就抢到两三个，而波士顿这种球队根本扛不住这么打。

And I also think he was a huge help keeping the Celtics off the offensive glass, where through three quarters they basically had like two or three offensive rebounds, and that Boston is not a team that can really survive that way.

是啊。

Yeah.

说来有趣，我一直觉得恩比德的短板就是篮板，尤其是年纪大了以后，对方都能冲他抢二次进攻球。

And it's funny, because that I always felt like was a weakness with Embiid, especially as he got older, is you could crash the boards on him and get all these second chance stuff.

他们全场好像就抢到一个前场篮板。

They had I think they had one offensive rebound.

是整场比赛都这样，还是只在上半场？

Was it the entire game or just in the first half?

下半场垃圾时间里他们抢了几个进攻篮板。

They picked some up in like picked some up in garbage time.

垃圾时间嘛，对。

Garbage time, yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

对，半场结束时他们落后了九分。

Yeah, they're down nine at halftime.

就一个进攻篮板。

They One offensive rebound.

天哪。

Yikes.

好了，说说费城这边的情况。

Alright, the Philly piece of this.

马克斯伊一直是系列赛里表现最出色的球员，我还记得我和扎克以前做过一期播客，聊季后赛里最值得关注的球员，那会儿感觉像是二十年前的事了——因为我们打了太多季后赛了。那时候我就觉得马克斯伊可能会爆发，真能成吗？

Maxey's been the best player in the series, and I remember Zach and I in a most intriguing players in the playoffs pod that we did that seemingly happened about twenty years ago because we've had so many playoff games, and Maxi was the one I picked for the leap, like could this happen?

这哥们儿太拼了，感觉他比凯尔特人队里谁都快。

The guy's relentless, he feels like he's faster than anybody in the Celtics.

你刚抬头看，他才得4分，一眨眼功夫，四分钟内就拿了10分。

Even when you look up, has four points, all of a sudden he'll have 10 points in like four minutes.

他明显是球队的领袖，主场表现尤其出色。如果他们能在波士顿赢下第七场——以凯尔特人现在的状态，这完全有可能——我觉得关键就在这儿。

Clearly seems like the leader of the team, he's been great in the home games, and if they win in game seven in Boston, which is conceivable with the way the Celtics are playing, I think it starts there.

在我看来，这支球队的核心就是马克斯伊，保罗·乔治是第二档，恩比德能贡献多少，纯属额外惊喜。

I think that to me, it's a Maxi Paul George, and then whatever you get from Embiid is is a bonus.

是的。

Yeah.

说实话，保罗·乔治确实太棒了，怎么夸都不为过，但马克斯伊的特别之处在于，他能无缝切换——既能持球强攻，凶猛得不得了，又能拉开空间，让队友发挥，这种组合太罕见了。

I mean, again, really don't think we can say enough great things about Paul George, but with Maxi, the ease with which he toggles between attacking on ball, like, really, really aggressively and also just spacing out to let other people shine, it's a really unique combination.

这种速度加上这种投射能力，一般很难在一个人身上同时看到。

Like, that kind of speed and that kind of shooting just don't come together in the same package very often.

他也不一定非得像斯蒂芬·库里那样满场跑动、做各种无球配合。

And he doesn't even necessarily need to be Steph Curry flying around the floor, like, doing all this off ball movement.

光是他站在弱侧的牵制力就已经够吓人了，尤其是你要是敢放他接球——管你防守多严密、补防多快。

Just his gravity on the weak side is a really, really powerful thing, especially because if you do kick to him, I don't care how well you contest or close out.

他分分钟就能直接突破你，根本拦不住。

Like, he's gonna blow by you on the counter drive.

他给76人队带来了太多可能性，而且随着队友们一个个站稳脚跟，他看起来也越来越有统治力。

So he just gives the Sixers so many options, and he feels more and more powerful as all these other guys are being established.

对吧？

Right?

保罗·乔治打得越好，马齐就越可怕。

The better Paul George plays, the more dangerous Max he becomes.

一旦恩比德真成了威胁，天哪。

The more Embiid is a real threat, then, my god.

那我们到底该怎么防？

What are we supposed to do with as a result?

事实证明，他们这套组合真的很难对付。

So it's they've proven to be like a really formidable combination.

还有一点也很有意思，就算恩比德这个变数加入、占用了不少球权，这完全没影响到他的状态，他依旧打得顺风顺水。

And the other thing, to just kinda keep doing what you're doing when you introduce this crazy Embiid variable and the usage rate for him, and it hasn't affected his stuff at all.

对，上次我提交《The Ringer》百大球员榜单的时候，把他排在了第16位。

Yeah, I had him my last Ringer 100 that we handed in, I had him sixteenth.

但放在现在，我觉得很难不把他排进联盟前十的球员里了。

I think it's really tough to keep him out of the top 10 best players in the league at this point.

我不知道咱们下次榜单什么时候出，但要是你看这些球员同场竞技的话，还有几位本来在榜上的球员咱们这次没提到

I don't know when we turn on our next list, but if you're watching all these guys against each other, we're missing a couple guys that are

榜上的

in the

都打进季后赛了，比如像哈登那些人，但我真的很难接受马克西居然排不进前十。

playoffs, like Hawaii and people like that, but it's just hard for me to believe Maxi's not in the top 10 though.

哪怕单看这个赛季的表现，他也该进前十啊。

Well, even this season.

我的意思是，他可是入选过最佳阵容二队的。

I mean, was an All NBA second team guy.

整个赛季，不管76人队遇到什么伤病、停赛之类的低谷，他都稳得一批。

Rock solid all year for all of the weird lulls that the Sixers had in their seasons with injuries and suspensions and whatnot.

他才是球队里最靠谱的定心丸。

He was the constant piece of it.

而且，我觉得他这个人性格开朗，这点也特别关键。

And, I mean, I think his buoyancy too as a personality is a really important part of this.

你要想打出这样的赛季，确实得有个能带动气氛、给队友打气的人，但乔尔·恩比德并不属于这种类型。

Like, if you're going to have that kind of year, you do need a guy who can just help peep like, help keep people's spirits up, and Joel Embiid is not necessarily that.

保罗·乔治也不是这种人。

Paul George is not necessarily that.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得

I think

他和维杰在这一年里，正好在球队最需要的时候，给了他们一股猛劲儿。

he and Vijay just gave this team an energy and, like, a shot in the arm at some of the precise moments over the course of the year where they really needed it.

尤其是这次季后赛，越想这场系列赛，我就越觉得第二场特别关键。

And certainly in these playoffs, like, the more I think about this series, the more I think about game two.

如果他们最终输掉这个系列赛，波士顿那帮人做梦都会梦见这一场——因为

Like, that's the one that Boston everyone with that team should, like, have in their nightmares if they do end up losing this series because

没错。

Right.

他们输了，就是输在没把76人当回事儿。

They lost it, and they lost it because they didn't take the Sixers very seriously enough.

根本没认真打，也没拼够劲儿。

They just didn't like play their game and work hard enough.

这纯粹是态度问题，输得不冤。

Like, that was an effort loss.

要是他们因为前期太轻敌、接连犯了几次这种态度失误，最后输掉系列赛，那这种教训，一辈子都忘不掉。

If they lose this series because they've let up one too many effort losses early, like, that's the kind of thing that sticks with you.

太懒了，光投三分。

Lazy, lot of threes.

对啊。

Yep.

就是去年害他们出局的那套老毛病。

It was all the same shit that sunk them last year.

今天更让人担心，我觉得他们其实挺拼的，但费城那帮人更拼，求胜欲望更强。

Today was a little more concerning because I thought they actually played hard, and I thought they just played Philly played harder and wanted it more.

再说KDA这个配置，常规赛用他们挺合理，可现在让凯塔去对位恩比德，看他那样子，连自己手脚都管不住似的。

The KDA piece of it, they're relying on these guys that made sense in the regular season, now you're throwing Keta against Joel Embiid, and it just seems like he doesn't have control of his limbs half the time.

比尔，我觉得咱们跳过了最重要的事——你现在的状态，从1到生命警报，到底怎么样？

Bill, I feel like we zoomed past the most important part, which is like on a scale of one to life alert, how are you doing?

你心理上现在是什么情况？

What is your current mental state?

不太好。

Not great.

我当时真的特别担心，赛后第二天跟人聊、给我爸发消息，我老爸紧张得要命，那场打完我们就觉得，这队好像丢了魂儿似的。

I was, I'm telling you, was, after game five, was, and then the next day talking to people and texting with my super nervous dad, we just were really concerned after that game, because it felt like the team had lost its identity.

就像我们之前说明尼苏达那样，哪怕伤病不断，他们还是坚持高压逼抢、积极进攻、带着一股不服输的劲儿。

Like we were talking about Minnesota's identity before, of they just kept it even with these injuries, they just kept, gonna ball pressure, and we're gonna attack, and we're gonna have a chip on our shoulder.

而凯尔特人，他们身份的核心之一就是替补席。

Boston, a big part of their identity was this bench.

是的。

Yeah.

替补群一上场就能扭转局势，整个赛季下来，杰伦、怀特和普里查德这仨人就是替补席上最稳的得分点。

And the bench mob coming in, and the bench shifting games, and being able, you know, their whole season it's Jaylen and White and Pritchard are the three reliable scorers.

但很少有哪场是仨人同时在线的，有时候甚至只有一个能发挥出来。

Very rarely were all three of them good in the same game, and sometimes only one of them was good in the game.

可替补席的妙处就在于能随时调整，有意思的是下半场他们终于派上了加尔扎、希曼、普里查德、哈珀和沃尔什这一套阵容。

But the bench was able to switch stuff, and it was interesting, in the second half when they kind of punted, and he finally played Garza, Shireman, Pritchard, Harper, and Walsh.

这套阵容，我恨不得每场都用。

A lineup that I would have played every game.

这些家伙一起打过好多次，配合早就熟了。

Guys that have played together for stretches over and over again.

比利，季后赛真刀真枪的时候，你不能让这些人同时上场。

Billy, you can't play those guys together in actual playoff minutes.

我早就说过了，这根本行不通。

I would have played those You can't do it.

听好了，有件事你绝对不能做。

Here's what you can't do.

季后赛里让杰森·塔图姆打四十二分钟？这太危险了。

Play Jason Tatum forty two minutes in a playoff game.

他刚从跟腱断裂里恢复过来，这简直是在拿命赌。

That's a problem Coming off with torn Achilles

没错，我完全同意。

for Agreed.

说白了，这五个人肯定不会一起上，但你至少得选一个——要么布朗，要么其他人。说实话，我直接就放弃这套阵容了，就让球队乱打四分钟，总比看我们刚才那些操作强。

Like at some point, obviously that wouldn't be the five, but that, what you have, where you either put Brown in there or one of them, or I don't know, I honestly would have thrown that out and just said, muck the game up for four minutes versus some of the stuff we were watching.

那个阵容其实差点就真把比分追回来了，感觉就在那儿了。

That lineup actually almost, it felt like they were gonna bring them back.

他们落后12分的时候，我差点喊出声来。

They were down 12, I was like, oh my god.

他们真要翻盘了。

They're gonna do it.

罗恩·哈珀这个人，我觉得其实该给他点时间上场的。

But Ron Harper's somebody that I actually think you could make in case should have played a little.

沃尔什绝对该多打点，这点没得说。

Walsh definitely should be playing more, like no question.

我觉得他是唯一一个让麦西吃尽苦头的人，至于蔡浩达，季后赛里直接被雪藏了，我真搞不懂。

Think he's the one guy that's given Maxey real trouble, and then Chia Hao Tat, he just punted on in the playoffs, and I don't understand it.

我每期节目都说这事儿，他明明是球队的超级第六人，结果季后赛连分钟都不给，我完全想不通。

I I said this every pot I've done, I don't understand he was coming on as like the super sub for them, and they just basically punted on his minutes, and I don't really get it.

马兹这轮系列赛的表现，我真不明白为啥不重用他。

The stuff Maz has done in this series, don't really understand.

他们根本没让后卫们打起来，连顶部的掩护配合都不做了，现在全是面框单打，两个前锋像攻城锤一样硬撞，看得人头疼。

They're not playing through the guards enough, They stopped doing the little picks at the top for the guards, and it's just all this face up one on one stuff where the two forwards, it's like watching battering Rams.

这进攻太丑了，罗布，这根本不是他们本赛季该有的打法。

It's not it's a really ugly offense, and this wasn't how they played this season, Rob.

我觉得这跟球队现在的阵容结构脱不了干系，再加上塔图姆和布朗最差的那些习惯全冒出来了，各种问题搅在一起，简直糟透了。

I think it's some of the stuff that's baked into the just like the construction of the team in its current form, and then some of it being Tatum and Brown's worst habits coming home to roost all swirling together in the worst possible way.

再说防守端，他们明明能换防很多这些配合，却完全没发挥出来。

Against the defense, we should add again, it's just like equipped to switch a lot of these actions.

啥都能防，啥都准备好了。

Ready for everything.

如果你想多打点后卫主导的进攻，多用些挡拆，其实76人队完全能应付得来。

If you did wanna run, you know, like a little bit more of a guard heavy offense, a little bit more ball screen oriented, like, it's not like the Sixers couldn't handle that for the most part.

对。

Right.

我觉得他们其实挺适合这种打法的。

I think they're pretty they're pretty well suited for it.

至于麦凯的防守，我们其实见过他防 bigger 的球员，也能硬扛。

And Maxey's defense, think, is we've seen Maxey guard bigger guys and fight people.

你知道的，交易截止日他们把西蒙斯换走了，换来了武佐维奇，但西蒙斯可是这队重要的替补奇兵。

You know, the trade deadline, they traded Simons from Vuzovic, and Simons was really important for this team as this super sub off the bench.

他不是每场都爆发，但偶尔能炸一下，真是个搅局的好手。

He didn't always have it, but he would sometimes, but he was a good monkey wrench guy.

就像鲍文在明尼苏达干的那事儿，但做得更出色。

Like a better version of what Bowen's Island has been doing on Minnesota.

以前他能单节改变战局，现在没了他，球队总觉得后卫缺人。说白了，换人理由是觉得武佐维奇能补内线深度，还有税务问题，但根本还是省钱，他们就盼着武佐维奇还能有点油，结果根本没戏。

And there were quarters that he would swing, and they lost that, and they feel like they're a guard short, and the reasoning was, well, we think Vooch, we have more center depth, obviously there was tax stuff, but really it was a money trade, and they were keeping their fingers crossed that Vooch still had any gas in the tank, and he just doesn't.

从他们得到武佐维奇那天起，就压根没见他帮上忙。

And Doesn't there has been no sign from the moment they got him that he can help them.

今晚我觉得他根本没法上，我都怀疑第七场能不能再看到他。

And I thought he was unplayable tonight, and I don't even know if we're gonna see him that much in game seven.

从西蒙斯这么个不定时炸弹——今天没手感，明天突然三分雨——直接换成了武佐维奇。

So you go from Simons who's this wild card, oh White doesn't have it, oh this guy's hitting threes to Vuchu.

他就是个拖后腿的。

He's just a groaner.

我觉得他投的球一个都进不了。

I don't think any of his shots are going in.

说真的，费城能让他在场上这么耗着，对凯尔特人来说也是个麻烦——他们得重新考虑轮换，乔·米苏拉肯定觉得非得派沃奇上场不可，毕竟得找个体型够大的人去挡恩比德，你想想，要是卢卡·加扎得一个人防他三十分钟，那还得了？

I mean, that's another benefit for Philly in terms of just having him bead on the floor in this series, is it just changes the way that Boston has to think about its rotations, and you feel, if you're Joe Missoula, feel compelled to put Vooch out there just like we have to have a size appropriate body to hurl in front of Joel Embiid because, I mean, just who knows what would happen to Luca Garza if he had to do that for thirty minutes.

没错。

Right.

要是上的是德里克·德鲁蒙德和德蒙纳，那就能随便排各种阵容了。

Versus if it's just Andre Drummond and a Dembona out there, like, can get away with all sorts of other lineups.

可以打小个阵容。

You can play small.

可以打灵活点。

You can play different.

可以打

You can play

是的。

Yeah.

就是用他们本来就有效的打法稍作调整，你就不会那么依赖沃奇了。

Like variations of what already works for them, and you don't feel, like, so reliant on vooches.

我觉得费城本来能赢下第三场的，波士顿全靠几个关键球才勉强撑住，那会儿靠的是老将的季后赛经验。

I thought Philly should have and could have won game three, and Boston had to make a couple really big shots to stave them off, and there was some veteran playoff experience.

但从第二场开始，费城就已经摸清了这套系列赛该怎么打。

But Philly has figured out this series from game two on what to do.

现在轮到凯尔特人了，这可是抢七大战。

And you have the Celtics now, it's a game seven.

罗布，这将是费城和凯尔特人之间的第九次抢七了。

This will be the ninth Sixers Celtics game seven, Rob.

真的假的？

Is that true?

对。

Yeah.

59年、65年和68年赢的。

Won in '59, '65, and '68.

77年费城人在家夺冠，那会儿年轻的小比尔·西蒙斯心都碎了，83年对77年。

Sixers won in Philly in '77, tough loss for young Bill Simmons, '83 to '77.

81年凯尔特人从1比3落后翻盘，我当时在现场。

1981, Celtics come back from three one, I was there.

82年凯尔特人又从1比3翻盘，结果七场大战费城赢了，我也在场。

1982, Celtics come back from three one again, and the Sixers win game seven, I was also there.

2012年是德里克·罗斯受伤的那个奇怪年份。

2012 was that weird Derrick Rose year when he got hurt.

对。

Yep.

结果咱们碰上费城和波士顿，应该是第二轮，那场拉简·隆多打出了职业生涯最神的投篮，凯尔特人赢了。

And we ended up with Philly and Boston in the, I think it was round two, and that was Rajon Rondo's greatest shooting game ever, Celtics win that.

然后2023年，凯尔特人2比3落后，去费城打第六场，塔图姆大杀四方，接着第七场直接把费城干趴了。

And then 2023, when the Celts were down three two, they went in Philly in game six, Tatum is a big game, then they killed them Philly in game seven.

所以这是我们的第九场了。

So this is our ninth one.

如果我是费城队，我觉得我赢定百分百。

And if I'm Philly, I I feel like I can win the game, like a 100%.

他们确实该有这种信心。

They definitely should feel that way.

没错。

Yeah.

客场作战可不容易。

Harder on the road.

我的意思是，这肯定还是个挑战，但你说得对，他们确实抓住了系列赛里几个关键的战略点。

Like, I mean, it's it's still gonna be a task, but I think you're spot on that they have really seized onto a couple of really, like, key strategic things in the series.

另外，还得看杰森·塔图姆的腿怎么样，他能不能恢复到最佳状态。

Plus, we'll see whatever becomes of Jason Tatum's leg and how ready he is to go and be the best version of himself.

但费城队已经拥有一切赢球的条件了。

But Philly has everything they need to win.

很明显，他们完全能压制凯尔特人。

Like, clearly, they can really put the screws to the Celtics.

能不能一场接一场这么打确实很难，但光是能走到这一步，他们就已经表现得超棒了。

Whether they can do it again game over game, like, look, this stuff is hard, but an incredible showing by them just to put themselves in this position to begin with.

顺带问一下，你觉得盘口会是多少？

What do you think the line is, just out of curiosity?

我觉得应该是凯尔特人让分，但分差不会大，大概三点半到四点半左右。

I would bet it's Celtics, but fairly slim, maybe like three and a half, four and a half points.

不对，是七分半。

Yeah, it's seven and a half.

七分半？

Seven and a

这盘口太高了吧。

It's incredibly too high.

我觉得顶多就四分，毕竟咱们已经看过太多场了。

I would put this I would make this a four point game, because, you know, we've seen this pretty huge sample size.

第四场普里查德那场是个例外，再加上恩比德回来了。

There was the outlier Pritchard game in game four, plus Embiid coming back into that.

但我觉得凯尔特人当时有个关键调整，我本来挺想看看他们下半场会不会用，结果塔图姆受伤了——要是让塔图姆打五号位呢？

But I thought the one move the Celtics had, and I would have been interested to see if they did in the second half today, but then Tatum got hurt, was what about Tatum at the five?

外线射手满地都是。

Shooters everywhere.

对啊。

Yeah.

是什么在逼着恩比德这么拼？

What's making Embiid work?

本来那些中锋也没打得多好。

It's not like the centers are playing well to begin with.

咱们真该看看这招效果咋样，可惜根本没机会看到。

Let's just see what this looks like, but we never got to see it.

要是塔图姆没受伤，说不定真能瞧见这一招。

And if Tatum's healthy, I wonder if we'll see that.

与其让沃索维奇上场，不如直接让塔图姆打五号位，搭配一群射手和后卫，这样不是更省事吗？

Like, are you just better off playing him at the five than Vusovich for those minutes and playing him with guards and shooters and that's it.

我觉得这主意值得一试，尤其是现在恩比德移动能力没以前那么好了。

I think it would it would have been worth a look, especially because Embiid is not super mobile right now.

虽然他过去几年打球时没这么慢，但现在防守端确实容易被突破。

Not to the extent that he has been over the last couple of years when he's played, but you can drive around him defensively.

对手也能轻松绕掩护从他身边溜过去。

You can roll around him defensively.

所以，我确实挺想看看凯尔特人这么打一回，但说实话，现在让塔图姆干这活儿，太不现实了。

And so, yeah, I I would have liked to see that version of the Celtics give it a go, but I don't think it's very realistic to ask of Tatum at this point.

你意识到凯尔特人主场输掉第七场了吗？

Do you realize that the Celtics blow game seven at home?

是啊。

Mhmm.

这事儿发生在2023年对阵热火的时候。

This will be 2023 against Miami.

那轮系列赛他们可是大热门。

Pretty big favorites in that series.

是的。

Yeah.

去年对尼克斯的2025年系列赛，他们也是大热门。

'25 last year against the Knicks, pretty big favorites in that series.

而这次系列赛，他们从头到尾都是热门。

And then this series, they were favorites all the time.

第四场打完，赔率都掉到负1800了，后来甚至到负2200。

I think they were like minus 1,800 after game four, minus 2,200.

这要是再拿个冠军，过去四年乔·巴祖拉时代就连续三次崩盘了，我真不知道该说什么了。

So this would be a title and three just dramatic devastating collapses in the last four years of the Joe Bazoula era, and I know what to make of it.

而且这已经彻底超越了什么‘热火情结’了吧？

Well and it will have officially transcended like whatever Miami complex exists, Right?

这已经不是热火和凯尔特人的事了，这就是凯尔特人自己的问题了。

Like this is no longer a heat Celtics thing, this is just a Celtics thing.

比尔，我真替你和你身边所有人担心。

Fear for I fear for you and everyone in your circle, Bill.

如果真到了那一步，这种压力实在没法承受。

That does not seem like a good thing to have to live with if it does come to that.

罗布，让我补充一点。

Let me add this component, Rob.

你有孩子吧？

You have children.

我没有孩子。

I do not have children.

你还没生孩子？

You don't have a child yet?

没有。

No.

我儿子今年21了，上周六刚过完生日。

All right, I have a 21 year old child on Saturday.

好。

K.

我女儿今天满21岁。

My daughter turns 21 years old.

对。

Yep.

5月2号。

On May 2.

那天不管比赛赢还是输，我都不会录播客了，所以先跟你们说一声。

I am not doing a podcast on May 2 after that game win or lose, so I'm just saying that now.

下一期播客要到周日才更新。

Not gonna have a podcast till Sunday.

我真拿不准，女儿那天过21岁生日，我们陪在她身边，这事儿对凯尔特人是吉兆还是不祥之兆。

I can't decide if my daughter turning 21 that day and we're gonna be with her is a good sign or a bad sign for the Celtics.

顺便说一句，她可喜欢凯尔特人了。

She loves the Celtics, by the way.

我觉得这是个好兆头，但我也说不准。

I feel like it's a good sign, but I don't know.

我觉得这根本算不上什么兆头，你就是自己往玄乎了想。

I'm gonna say it's an irrelevant sign, and you'll talk yourself into some divine

没什么是无关紧要的，罗布。

meaning Nothing's in either of irrelevant, Rob.

啥都相关。

Nothing's irrelevant.

嗯，这事儿挺吉利的。

Well, this is a good

不过这话题倒是挺有意思。

thread though.

你有没有什么特别的第七场迷信习惯？

Like, do you have any particular game seven superstitions?

打这种比赛，你会跟打其他凯尔特人季后赛比赛不一样吗？

Do you approach a game like this any differently than any other Celtics playoff game?

是的。

Yes.

我问我妈，她可是纯正意大利人，每次有重要比赛前都会搞个小神龛求好运，但我只在关键体育时刻才找她帮忙。

I asked my my mom, who's a 100% Italian, will make a little shrine thing for good luck, and I only ask her for specific sports moments.

神龛里放了啥？

What is in the shrine?

她那一套意大利老传统可太古怪了，我可能真得给她搭个神龛才行。

She's got a whole weird Italian thing, so I might have to shrine it up.

我的意思是，如果塔图姆不打，这事儿说不定就自己解决了——除非咱们碰上那种离谱的巴克利·谢尔曼式奇迹。

I mean, if Tatum doesn't play, this might this might kinda solve itself unless we get, like, this crazy Baylor Shireman game or something.

我脑子里已经浮现出来了：衣柜里摆着神龛，蜡烛噼啪烧着，中间挂着巴克利·谢尔曼的画像。

I really am imagining the closet shrine with, like, the burning candles, the Baylor Shireman portrait in the middle.

我的意思是，这种场合你真得玩儿大的，全身心投入才行。

Like, I I think we you know, you really gotta go all out for an occasion like this.

另外，我还信 karma 这一套。

Well, I also have the karma piece of it.

我总不能说，哎，咱们本来要给你过生日的那顿饭吧？

Like, I can't be like, oh, that dinner we were gonna have for your birthday?

咱俩真得待在家看比赛了。

Like, I can't we gotta just stay in and watch the game.

我得完全听她的，遵守所有父女规矩，让她主导整个流程，让她觉得舒服，这样对凯尔特人有好处。

I'm gonna have to do whatever she wants, obey all father daughter rules, and let her control the process in a way that she feels good about, because that will help the Celtics.

我这边该做的我都做。

I'm gonna do my part.

从因果报应的角度，我也尽了我的本分。

Karma wise, I'm doing my part.

我不想以后几年后悔，怪自己当时没尽力。

See, I don't wanna blame myself years later.

我一开始还以为你只是个好爸爸，结果根本不是，你就是想积点德，好让凯尔特人赢。

At first, thought you were just being a good dad, but no, it's just so you can get the karma so the Celtics will win.

对。

Yeah.

我想让她在那天开开心心的。

I want her to be happy on her Okay.

行吧。

Okay.

这两件事可以兼顾。

It can be both.

对。

Yeah.

这简直太糟心了。

This is just a nightmare.

首先，要是他们输给费城，那就是在七场四胜制里，主场输给了一个季后赛边缘球队，连输三场。

First of all, if they lose to Philly, that's three home losses in a seven game series to a team that was a play in team.

然后现在情况是，扎克·洛在播客里问我们，谁会赢东部？

And then we're in a situation, Zach Lowe asked us on his podcast, who's gonna win the East?

奥兰多魔术队。

The Orlando Magic.

这就是答案吗？

Is that the answer?

我不知道。

I don't know.

其实我觉得我们目前为止最清楚的线索就在今晚还没聊的那场球里。

It's in well, actually, think we have our clearest indication yet of the answer, and it's in the last game that we haven't discussed tonight.

对，尼克斯最后发力了。

Yeah, the Knicks turned it on.

我的意思是

I mean

我觉得他们第五场就搞定亚特兰大了。

And I I thought they solved Atlanta in game five.

今天这注押得也太稳了。

I thought that was an easy bet today.

他们当时赔率是让2.5分。

They were like minus two and a half.

我真没想到他们上半场能领先50分。

I didn't think they would be up by 50 points in the first half.

确实没想到。

No.

但他们现在全速运转，感觉他们是唯一一支能给对手来几记重拳的球队。

But they're running on all cylinders, and it feels like they're the only team that would actually have a chance to land one or two punches

对啊。

Yeah.

针对马刺或者雷霆。

On the Spurs or Thunder.

我不确定他们能不能赢这两队，但至少能打几记勾拳，说不定还能来两记直拳。

I don't know if they would beat either team, but they could at least get some jabs in and maybe a couple right crosses.

他们现在展现的这种状态，比整个东部联盟今年看到的任何球队都强。

Well, this high gear that they showed is just better than anything we've seen in the entire Eastern Conference may maybe all year.

甚至比活塞队常规赛的表现，或者凯尔特人最巅峰的样子还要厉害。

Like, maybe even above and beyond what the Pistons were in the regular season or the, you know, the shiniest version of the Celtics.

这场赢球太惊艳了，从好几个方面来看都称得上是历史性的胜利。

Like, this was an incredibly impressive win, a historic win in a bunch of different ways.

我都没想到现在电视上还能看到这么凶悍的比赛场面。

I didn't know you could show this kind of violence on TV anymore.

一路领先还越拉越大，我每次回头一看比赛，亚特兰大那边的情况就更惨一分。

Like, just getting this kind of lead and holding it, and every time I seem to check back on the game, was just getting worse and worse and worse for Atlanta.

当尼克斯全员在线的时候，他们能打出的水平真让人没法不佩服。

It's hard to not be blown away by how good the Knicks can be when they have it all together.

打完这场，他们至少有资格让人相信，他们真能打出这样的水准。

And after this, I think they've certainly deserved the benefit of the doubt as far as when they're able to do that.

你说，常规赛是不是根本就无所谓了？

Is it possible the regular season just doesn't matter?

这话可不能这么说。

You can't say that.

我们就是因为在播客里能聊上大半年，才总把那些小细节当真，觉得这代表这个、那代表那个。

And that we just, because we get podcast content out of it for six and a half months, we're convinced these little signs, and this means this, and that means that.

我觉得整个赛季唯一真正重要的事，就是圣安东尼奥对俄克拉荷马那场，那会儿我才觉得：哦，这事儿真不简单。

Like, the one thing that I think mattered all season was San Antonio rising to the occasion against That Oklahoma felt like, okay, this is significant.

之前我们还真不觉得这帮人是认真的。

We didn't think these guys were real yet.

现在不一样了，他们真有实力了，感觉能赢下任何球队，这事儿真成了气候。

They are real now, and they feel like they can beat this team, and this is a thing now that's happening.

除此之外，我们不就是坐过山车，看着他们上上下下吗？

Other than that, we just on a roller coaster ride with the up and down?

你看奥兰多和明尼苏达，这两支各自联盟里最憋屈的队，现在居然都让人觉得，说不定能走挺远——虽然我也说不准他们能走多远，但至少看得出他们还能继续打。

Like look at like Orlando and Minnesota, the two most frustrated teams in each conference, are now teams you could conceivably see just, I don't know how far either of them are gonna go, but I can see them keep going.

再看尼克斯，我们一次又一次地问：这队到底哪儿不对劲？

And then you look at a team like the Knicks, that over and over again we've wondered, what's wrong with this team?

他们彼此真合得来吗？

Do they like each other?

之前还说他们一被淘汰就得拆队，结果现在居然打得这么漂亮。

Oh my god, they're gonna blow it up after they get bounced, and now they look great.

所以篮球里真的能突然之间，就那么两周内，说开就开，然后一下子全合上拍了？

So can you just turn it on in basketball now, like out of nowhere for two weeks, and then all of sudden come together?

看起来确实就是这样。

Because it seems like that's the case.

我觉得要是魔术队真能开窍，他们早就在那场关键战里开窍了。

I think if the magic could have turned it on, they would have turned it on in that play in game.

这背后肯定还有别的原因。

Like, think there's there's more in play than that.

这话说得在理。

That's solid point.

我来告诉你真相。

Here's what it is.

很多年前，大局观那套东西还能解释一切。

Like, years years ago, the big picture stuff used to tell the whole story.

谁常规赛赢得多，季后赛基本就能顺理成章地接着赢。

Like, whoever wins a ton of games in the regular season, that's gonna translate pretty seamlessly to the playoffs.

强队就是强队，一直都是这样。

Like, the dominant teams are the dominant teams are the dominant teams.

现在你真得留心细看了。

Now I think you, like, really have to pay attention.

这可不只是看每个联盟里谁排第一、第二、第三那么简单。

Like, I think it's it's so much more than who is the first, second, and third seat in each conference.

像贾登·麦克丹尼尔斯这样的球员，他到底在哪一步真正进步了？

It's where are those meaningful steps forward for a guy like Jaden McDaniels?

在哪呢？

Where

真正的弱点在哪？比如一到关键时刻，这队就明显缺空间、缺身高。

are the literal vulnerabilities where it's like, man, it just seems like when push comes to shove, this team doesn't have enough spacing or doesn't have enough size.

就拿俄城对圣安东尼奥这场来说，你仔细看，能发现啥？

Like, when you look at this one matchup, when you look at OKC versus San Antonio, for example, like, what does that tell us about both teams?

我觉得，常规赛里那些真正值得琢磨的门道，现在得用放大镜才能看清楚。

I just think the lessons of the regular season require more and more of a magnifying glass to find.

但它们确实存在。

But they're there.

只是没以前那么显眼、那么扎眼了。

It's just not as like big and in flashing lights as it used to be.

是啊。

Yeah.

凯尔特人那事儿真让我大跌眼镜。

The Celtics thing really rope a dope to me.

尤其是杰伦，整个赛季表现都超稳，现在却怎么都投不进76人队任何一个人的防守。

Especially the Jalen part, who was just really good all season, and now can't seem to score against any guy in the Sixers.

再聊聊尼克斯对老鹰的另一件事。

Here's another topic from the Knicks Hawks.

我知道OJ·阿奴诺比不是联盟最好的前锋，但如果你只看了首轮比赛，你绝对会觉得他就是。

I know OJ Anonobe, OJ Anonobe isn't the best forward in the league, but if you just watched round one, you would think he was.

然后你还会觉得保罗·乔治是联盟第二好的前锋。

And then you would think Paul George was the second best forward in the league.

所以这算是首轮的一个看点吧。

So that's I guess one of the round one storylines.

但他这次打得真是职业生涯最好的一次。

But this is the best he's ever played.

他今晚简直太神了。

He was incredible tonight.

而且我——

And I

天哪，真的。

thought Lord.

他是系列赛首节MVP。

The first quarter MVP of the series.

我觉得他就是MVP，不过卡特也确实有理由争一争。

I I think he is the MVP of the well, I'm Cat gives him a a good argument there too as well.

他的三双、组织能力，还有汤森的防守，全都特别关键。

Like, the triple doubles, the playmaking, like, Townes, even his defense all proved to be really important.

对我来说，就是这样。

That's what it is for me.

尼克斯队这场比赛想怎么打就怎么打，想怎么得就怎么得。

Like, the Knicks offense got whatever it wanted in this game.

要不是这样，怎么可能领先50分？

You don't get up by 50 points without doing that.

他们的防守在上半场简直把老鹰队的节奏彻底打垮了，压得人喘不过气。

But their defense was just like soul crushing in the first half in terms of breaking down everything that Atlanta does.

而且他们——

And they had-

抢断后直接快攻，

And running after they got turned the

OG 在这方面起了关键作用。

ball And OG was a huge part of that.

对吧？

Right?

他老在制造抢断。

Like, he's creating turnovers.

他老能防下对手。

He's getting stops.

他一抢断就快攻，越打越轻松，投篮机会也越找越好。

He's getting out on the break and getting easier and easier shots.

就算对方防他，他也能在那些防守不错的侧翼头上投进三分——但那些人可没OG和阿诺比那么高的个子。

And then even when they guard him, he's hitting threes over these wings who are like good defenders, but not OG and Anobi sized.

所以整个系列赛，他们根本没人能限制他。他就是那种典型的亚伦·戈登型麻烦制造者——你要是没针对性的应对办法，他能让你七场比赛都生不如死。

And so they had no answer for him really at any point in the series, and he is the exact kind of problem in that Aaron Gordon shaped mold where it's like, if you don't have a counter for this kind of player, he's just gonna make your life a living hell over seven games.

我觉得他们才是东部夺冠的最大热门。

I think they have to be the favorite to win the Easttown.

我感觉

I'm gonna

你看

look

看看赔率。

at the odds.

这赔率太低了。

More than fair.

你对阵一支强队，打出67比13的高潮，这还不算热门？

After you go on a 67 to 13 run-in a game against a good team

他们可不被看好。

They're not the favorite.

不被看好？

They're not?

在FanDuel上，他们赔率是+128，凯尔特人却是-102。

On FanDuel, they're plus 128, and the Celtics are minus 102.

还有，骑士队的赔率是-172。

Oh, and the Cavs are minus 172.

这我真搞不懂。

I don't get it.

哦，等一下。

Oh, wait.

至于赔率嘛，他们进总决赛的赔率是+310，晋级下一轮是+128，进决赛+310，夺冠赔率是16比1。

And then for the fine yeah, they're not the, they're plus three ten to make the finals, so they're plus one twenty eight to make the next round, plus three ten to make the finals, and 16 to one to win it.

从目前情况来看，要是赌上性命的话，我绝对会选尼克斯队——毕竟凯尔特人队状态不明朗。

I would by far, if you're life dependent on it, the Knicks have to be pick from what we've seen so far, especially if we don't know what we're getting with the Celtics.

没错。

Right.

这点我得先摆明了，这话听着确实太离谱，毕竟尼克斯这赛季的表现、还有我们一整年都在聊他们的情况，他们这赛季一直饱受 scrutinize，很多争议其实也是他们自己面对逆境时的差劲表现招来的。

Which I want to acknowledge, like, a crazy thing to say given the season they had and the conversations we've been having about the Knicks all year, where I think they they've been under a lot of scrutiny, some by their own doing in terms of how they would respond to adversity.

但现在呢？他们先有两场都只输1分，然后赢下了一场酣畅淋漓的大胜，接着又打出了一场历史级别的狂胜——我印象里这场的分差应该是...

And now we know they lost two games by one point, came out with a monster win, and then a historically monster win in which they put up, I think, the biggest winning margin at like, biggest lead of any game in the

61分。

61 points.

没错。

Yeah.

61分是季后赛数据统计时代以来最大的领先分差，最终还打出了历史上最一边倒的系列赛收官战之一。

61 is the biggest lead of any playoff game in the play by play era and then ended up with one of the most decisive closeout games ever.

所以

So

这就是为什么你得看季后赛啊，罗布。

that's why you gotta look at the playoffs, Rob.

周五之后我们还觉得天塌了，结果周六在亚特兰大打第四场，直接反转。

Like after Friday, we're like, my god, Saturday in Atlanta, game four.

对啊。

Yep.

咱们等着瞧吧，尼克斯会怎么样。

We'll see what happens to the Knicks.

他们说不定真要大拆重建。

They might be blowing it up.

可才过了三天，他们怎么就不成联盟头号热门了？

And now all of a sudden three days later, like, how are they not the favorite of the conference?

怎么回事啊？

What's happening?

我觉得他们今天简直太棒了。

I thought they were awesome today.

看他们打球特别过瘾。

And they were really fun to watch.

确实如此。

They were.

作为凯尔特人队的球迷，我一看他们那帮人，再对比下凯尔特人的状态，感觉后者简直慢得像生锈了。

And I think, you know, as a Celtics fan, I look at some of the athleticism and how creaky the Celtics kind of looked.

他们根本打不出快攻得分。

They're just not getting really fast break points at all.

再看看尼克斯队，满场飞奔，防守端还频频抢断制造机会。

And then you watch that Knicks team flying around and making plays on defense.

凯尔特人这下真悬了。

It's not looking good for the Celtics.

这时候你就得说了，塔图姆回来了，咱们也躲过奢侈税了。

This is where we go like, you know, Tatum came back, we got under the tax.

森林狼那边呢，今年夏天咱们得好好琢磨琢磨。

Timberwolves Now this summer we gotta figure it out.

躲过奢侈税还能挂个横幅庆祝？

Do they hang a banner for getting under the tax?

这事儿到底怎么算的？

What do they do for that?

我也不清楚，得去问问比尔·奇索姆。

I don't know, I'll have to ask Bill Chisholm.

我本来不想提这事儿，但反正我下一期播客要到周日才更新。

I hesitate to bring this up, but I'm not gonna have another podcast till Sunday.

明白了。

Okay.

要是这轮系列赛输了，杰伦长期会怎么样，我真挺好奇的。

I do wonder what happens with Jalen long term if they lose the series.

我是说，球队会怎么处理他？内部会有什么安排？

In terms of what the team will do, or like what will happen to him internally?

我不禁想，他会不会成为交易对象？

No, I wonder does he become a trade possibility?

我这么说可不是为了挑事，也不是想引燃Reddit上的讨论什么的。

And I don't say that to be aggregated or to start Reddit threads, anything like that.

我一直在想，去年他们输掉尼克斯那轮系列赛的时候，塔图姆还没受伤。

I really genuinely wonder where last year, they lost that Knicks series before Tatum got hurt.

他们本来就要输掉那轮系列赛的。

They were gonna lose that series.

塔图姆是在一场比赛快结束时受伤的，当时他们已经1比3落后，根本翻不了盘。

Tatum got hurt at the end of a game, they were gonna be down three one, and they were gonna lose that series.

我觉得他们根本不可能从那个局面里爬回来。

They weren't gonna come back from that, I don't think.

所以你这一轮被淘汰，下一轮又一轮游，两个球员合起来年薪一亿二千万，这几年季后赛的表现真是磕磕绊绊。

So you basically, you flame out in that series, and then you flame out in this round one two, and you have two guys making a combined $120,000,000, and it's looked pretty rocky the past couple years in the playoffs.

我只是在想，他们会把这个当成一个重新开始的机会吗？

I just wonder, would they look at this as a chance to reset?

我真的不知道。

I have no idea.

我没有内部消息，但我觉得至少值得谈一谈。

I have no inside information, but I think it has to at least be a conversation.

对吧？

Right?

我倒不反对谈一谈，但我还是觉得，他更接近常规赛时的那个自己，而不是现在这个样子

I'm fine with the conversation, but I still think he's closer to the guy he was in the regular season than he is to the version

打得一团糟的他

that's getting balled

现在这样。

up right now.

是的。

Yeah.

我不是说咱们得赶紧把他甩了。

I'm not talking about like, oh, we gotta bail on him.

我只是从大局来看。

I'm just talking about big picture.

他刚打完第十年。

He just played his tenth year.

是的。

Yeah.

他表现得太棒了。

He was awesome.

他肯定能进名人堂。

He's gonna be a first team MLB.

咱们现在卖，能卖到最高价了吗？

This the highest we could possibly sell?

哦，能

Oh, Could

我们可以围绕塔图姆、普里查德，还有其他这些球员重建球队，争取换回一批筹码，重新调整薪资空间，再去追逐一个自由球员或者补强其他关键角色。

we rebuild around Tatum, Pritchard, some of these other guys we have, try to get a haul back, try to reset our salary, maybe go after a free agent or another piece.

如果他们让七号种子队逆转了3比1的领先优势，我觉得这事儿肯定会被拿出来讨论。

And I think it's at least gonna be a topic if they blow a three one lead to the seven seed.

你听好了。

Look.

如果你真的……

If you if

要是你们在这种情况下，把主场都丢了，哪怕有各种借口——比如这本来就是个过渡年，

you blow that lead and lose all these home games under this circumstance, even with all of the caveats about, oh, this is supposed to be a gap year.

塔图姆还没完全找回状态，

Oh, Jason Tatum is not still not fully himself yet.

这些我都懂，

All of that's fine.

但这种系列赛，你们本来就该赢。

You should still win a series like this.

我还是愿意把球队的未来押在塔特姆身上。

I still would wanna bet the future of my team on Tataman Brown.

这依然是我信得过的核心。

Like, that's still a core that I believe in.

只要他们愿意好好配合，这组搭档依然有戏。

It's still a pairing that I think works as long as those guys wanna make it work.

没错。

Yeah.

而且问题也在于，其他选择其实没那么好。

And some of it is just the alternatives.

对吧？

Right?

说起来容易，真去找个更合适的球员哪有那么简单，或者赌一把普里查德——他虽然能打几场漂亮的，可这场偏偏16投只拿14分，球队正缺人得分的时候，他却掉链子。

Like, it's it's much easier said than done to go out and find a better fitting component part, or to to bet on someone like Peyton Pritchard, who has great games, but then have like 14 points on 16 shots in this one, where they desperately needed more scoring.

凯尔特人队里有不少好球员，但都有限，他们得比今晚表现得更好才行。

So there are a lot of good but limited players on the Celtics roster who need help and need to play better than they did tonight.

我觉得改核心根本解决不了问题，他们更需要做的，是不断在边上添砖加瓦。

Changing the the core of it, I don't think solves the problems, and they just need to keep adding pieces around the edges, I think, more than anything.

每次聊到这个话题，我都要说个免责声明，虽然也不一定每年都说。

This is where I give my annual disclaimer or or I don't not annual.

每次一谈到这个，我必说的保底声明。

My guaranteed disclaimer every time this topic comes up.

我真不希望他们把这俩人中的任何一个交易走。

I do not want them to trade either guy.

求求了，别拆了他们俩。

Please keep them together.

我挺喜欢看他们打球的。

I like rooting for them.

我希望他们俩能一直在波士顿打到退役。

I want them to finish their careers in Boston.

我就怕这事儿以后真会变成个话题。

I'm just worried that this will become a topic.

我觉得至少值得聊聊，咱们现在到底是个什么情况？

And I think it's at least worthy of a topic of like, hey, what do we have here?

咱们刚连着两场季后赛惨败。

We just had two devastating playoff losses in a row.

你要是真聊起来，最后还是会回到塔图姆三月才回来这事儿上。

And I think you have the conversations and you land on Tatum came back in March.

对。

Yes.

你知道的，杰伦负担太重了，季后赛明显被拖垮了。

Know, Jalen had a huge burden, obviously wore down in the playoffs.

咱们得好好组个更强的队伍，明年卷土重来。

Let's try to build a better team around them and let's come back full scale next year.

咱们靠这套班子已经取得了惊人的成绩。

We've had an incredible amount of success with this.

这才是处理这事的正确做法。

That is the correct answer for how to handle this.

我就搞不懂新老板会怎么搞。

I just don't know with the new owner.

谁知道呢？

Who knows?

我觉得问题其实一直都在：这套阵容够不够用，能不能满足我们的需求？

I think, like, the question is almost it it's always, like, does this work well enough to suit our needs?

能不能打得过联盟里最强的那些队？

Does this work well enough to beat the best teams in the league?

而不是动不动就喊着要彻底重建。

More than it ever is like, oh, this needs to be blown up immediately.

每支像这样季后赛失利的球队，都该好好复盘一下赛季哪里出了问题。

Like, an interrogation of seasons that go sideways, every team in the league that loses in this fashion should be doing that.

我们对掘金队也是这么看的，原因也一样。

We're talking about the Nuggets in the same way for the same reason.

对吧？

Right?

如果你想知道为啥输了系列赛，第一件事该看的是场上那些球员和教他们的教练。

It's like if you if you need answers as to why you lost a series, you should start by looking at the players on the floor and the coaches who coach them.

这些关键部分里，有没有哪里跟咱们的需求对不上劲儿？

Like, is there something in these component parts that doesn't make sense in the way that we need it to?

是啊。

Yeah.

那事儿是另一支球队得去面对的问题。

What happens with that's another team that's gonna have to have that conversation.

咱们把约基奇和贾马里·戈登的组合榨干了吗？

Did we take the Jokic Jamari Gordon thing as far as we could take it?

接下来咱该咋办？

And now what do we do?

走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

凯尔特人赢个十几分都轻松。

The Celtics could easily win by 15.