NBA交易截止日反应与超级碗预测：Zach Lowe和Joe House对谈

他们说，我们终于好了。

They were like, we're finally good.

感谢你所做的一切。

Thanks for everything.

谢谢你们做了这十年最糟糕的交易。

Thanks for what the secret worst trade of this decade.

我不知道他们在做什么。

I don't know what they're doing.

我不懂，这些操作凑在一起看起来就像他妈的黄道十二宫的某个符号。

I don't The moves together just look like the fucking One of the zodiac letters.

你就是想，什么？

You're just like, what?

这是什么？

What is this?

这些符号都是干嘛的？

What are all these symbols?

我不明白。

I don't understand.

你脑子里全是值得重看的内容。

You got rewatchables on the brain.

是的，没问题。

Yeah, bet.

得休息一下，然后我想继续完成那些我根本不知道你在做什么的排名，希望我们能有一些特质。

Have to take a break, and then I wanna do the rest of the I have no idea what you're doing rankings, and hopefully we'll have some traits.

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That's right.

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Opt in, place an anytime touchdown score bet before the game kicks off.

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And if your player scores the first or last touchdown, you'll win your bet plus a share of bonus bets.

所以如果你想押爱国者队，就选德雷克·梅。

So if you wanna do the Patriots, do Drake May.

可以选老派的丘比抽签战术或突袭战术让他上场，或者海鹰队的AJ·巴纳——他是他们的推挤战术执行者，同时也是短码数和端区冲球的能手。

Do the old Kewpie Draw or the scramble can get him in, or AJ Barner for the Seahawks, who's their tush push guy, but also like a short yardage around, the goal liner.

我会选这两个人。

I'd go with those two.

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那么我这么说是什么意思呢？

So what do I mean by that?

唉，如今什么事都成了竞争。

Well, everything's a competition these days.

你为什么不把一些Ultra产品拿出来赌一把呢？

Why couldn't you put some Ultras on the line?

来吧。

Come on.

每个人都喜欢一场精彩的竞赛。

Everybody loves a good competition.

正如我的朋友和家人所知，我热衷于在任何事情上竞争。

As my friends and family know, I love competing on everything.

我多快能赶到电影院？

How long I can get to the movie theater?

需要多长时间？

How long will it take?

我能比所有人都先到家吗？

Can I get home before everybody?

我多快能往返一场湖人队的比赛？

How long can I get to and from a Lakers game?

我有点疯狂。

I'm kind of a maniac.

为了这个，我现在可能得押上几瓶超能饮料了。

I might have to put some ultras on the line now for this.

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好吧。

Alright.

我们回来了。

We're back.

今天我得把快船队加上。

I'm gonna have to add the Clippers today.

在我们弄清楚这个选秀权到底是什么之前，我不知道你怎么排的名次。

I have no idea where you're doing rankings until we find out what this pick is.

我们休息的时候正在聊这个。

We were talking during the break.

也许这是前五保护的26年签，如果步行者队最终进入前五并拿到这个签，那可能就变成无保护的27年签，再加一个28到30年之间的选秀权互换，或者必须得有——我真的挺喜欢祖巴茨的。

Maybe it's top five protected 26, and if the Pacers end up moving in the top five and they get it, then maybe it's unprotected 27, and then some sort of swap in anywhere from 28 to 30, or there's gotta be I I really like Zubatz.

去年我投了NBA最佳第三阵容，因为我喜欢有个中锋。

I voted for for all NBA third team last year because I like to have a center.

我可不想被逼着接受这种无位置阵容。

I wasn't gonna get bullied into these positionless lineups.

我觉得他是个能与联盟中那些大个子正面硬刚的球员。

I thought he was a guy that could go into a war with some of the big guys in the league.

而且这里还有一个更大的趋势，我认为这是步行者队想做的，我也觉得凯尔特人队在维齐奇交易中也是这么想的。

And I also there's a bigger trend here, and I think this is what the Pacers were trying to do, and I also think this is what the Celtics were thinking about, the Vucevic trade.

看起来每个人都想变得更高大。

It seems like everybody wants to get bigger.

每个人都担心，如果真的进入季后赛系列赛，会面对那些双中锋组合。你看看凯尔特人在东部，他们若真想争冠，几乎每支可能遇到的球队都能在体型上压过他们，对吧？

Everybody's worried about, if you're actually gonna be in a playoff series, about situations where you're going against these double bigs, and you look at the Celtics in the East, every team they'd have to probably beat in a playoff series that they're gonna if they seriously think they can contend, is gonna be able to go bigger on them, right?

比如你打活塞队，他们可以同时派上戴恩和斯图尔特。

Like you play the Pistons, they can play Dern and Stewart together.

你打尼克斯队，他们可以派上汤森德和米切尔搭档。

You play the Knicks, they can do Townes and Mitch together.

你打骑士队，他们可以同时上场莫布利和艾伦。

You play Cleveland, they can do Mobley and Allen together.

我觉得凯尔特人队有维齐奇的灵活性，加上卡达和加扎，等塔图姆回归后，至少他们在体型上是有一定优势的。

And I just feel like the Celtics with the Vucevic flexibility with Cada and with Garza and Tatum when he comes back, at least they have some size.

也许步行者看了之后觉得

And maybe the Pacers looked at that and said

你忘了穆雷·博尔斯和马穆，好吧？

You forgot Murray Boyles and Mamu, okay?

我喜欢穆雷·博尔斯。

I like Murray Boyles.

但也许步行者看了之后想，我们得赶紧加入，因为我们有哈尔伯顿回归，而且我们有机会争冠。

But maybe the Pacers looked at that and were like, we just gotta get in on this, because we have Halburton coming back, and we have a chance to contend.

我不知道你在搞什么排名。

I have no idea what you're doing rankings.

对我来说，第三名是老鹰队。

Number three for me is the Hawks.

你想听细节吗？

You want the details?

顺便说一下，细节马上来。

The details are coming in by the way.

我们正在直播。

We're live.

我们正在直播。

We're live.

是的，我们在直播。

Yeah, we're live.

用阿祖巴茨和乔莉·布朗换来马修和以赛亚·杰克逊，两个首轮签和一个次轮签。

Matthew and Isaiah Jackson, two first round picks and one second round pick for Azubatz and Chloe Brown.

我们还不清楚这些选秀签的具体细节。

We don't still don't know the details on the picks.

还能再说一件事吗，公牛队？

Can just say one more thing Bulls?

对。

Yeah.

只要我们在做这个。

As long as we're doing that.

我不明白公牛队在做什么。

Here's what I don't get about the Bulls.

我明白。

I understand.

比如，我今天跟联盟里的一些人聊了。

Like, I talked to people around the league today.

我问了，发了短信，简直像疯狂发短信一样。

Like, I asked I texted I just like spam texted.

公牛队到底在干嘛？

What are the Bulls doing?

有些人还说：什么？

And some people are like, what?

他们到底在做什么，这不是很明显吗？

What's obvious what they're doing?

他们正在积累资产。

They're accumulating assets.

他们通过这些各种交易，我想，得到了九个第二轮选秀权。

They got, I think, nine second round picks in these various trades.

他们得到了罗布·迪林厄姆，对他们来说是第二轮选秀级别的球员，他将获得在明尼苏达时没能得到的上场机会。

They got Rob Dillingham, second draft kind of guy for them who will get a chance to play that he didn't get in Minnesota.

而且他们在接下来的两个夏天拥有大量的薪资空间。

And they have massive amounts of cap space the next two summers.

明白。

Understand.

哦

Oh

很好

good.

他们不会花钱的。

That they won't spend.

这些我都明白。

I understand all that.

我的看法是，杜斯努莫26岁，科比·怀特25岁。

My thing is Dusumno is 26, and Kobe White is 25.

他们俩都不错。

They're both good.

杜斯努莫真的非常出色。

Dusumno is like really, really good.

所以他们交易了一些年纪在中期、职业生涯中期的球员。

And so they traded like mid young ish, mid career guys.

他们交易了年长的球员武奇。

They traded an old guy in Vuch.

所以他们交易了各种不同类型的球员。

So they traded all kinds of different players.

他们想要什么样的球员在球队里？

Like, what kind of players do they want on their team?

他们想打造一支怎样的年轻球队？

Like, what kind of team do they want Younger

他们已经拥有的那些球员最差的版本？

worst versions of the same guys they already had?

是的。

Yeah.

他们得到了吉迪，还有这里其他什么球员？吉迪和布泽利斯。

They Giddy and like what other piece here Giddy and Buzellis.

这里其他哪位球员对我而言有重大的长期价值？

Like other piece here is of major long term interest to me?

这些后卫中的任何一个，本来都能帮助你们球队的未来。

Like one of those guards couldn't have helped your team going forward.

你到底想打造一支什么样的球队？

What kind of team are you trying to actually make here?

资产很棒。

Assets are great.

次轮签很有帮助。

Second rounders are helpful.

森林狼队用了一堆选秀权换来了阿约·索文努。

The wolves used a bunch of them to get Ayode Souvenu.

我明白你的意思。

Like I get it.

是的。

Yeah.

但你打算用他们做什么呢？

But what are you doing with them?

嗯，我觉得公牛队的球迷们已经问了这个问题十一年了。

Well, I think Bulls fans have been asking this for eleven years.

我们掌握了祖巴茨交易的详细信息。

We have the details on the Zubatz trade.

这是一个第二十六顺位的首轮选秀权。

It's a twenty six first round pick.

这是来自Shams的消息。

This is from Shams.

它受保护的是第一到第四顺位和第十到第三十顺位。

It's protected one to four, and ten to 30.

所以这是双重保护。

So it's the double protection.

所以如果它不在第五到第九顺位之间，我想就会顺延到下一年。

So if it doesn't fall between five and nine, I guess it rolls over to the next year.

而且它还是一个第29顺位无保护的签位。

And then it's also a 29 unprotected.

马瑟林，我喜欢以赛亚·杰克逊。

Matheryn, I like Isaiah Jackson.

我支持以赛亚·杰克逊。

I'm in the Isaiah Jackson.

我觉得他有潜力，而且他们得到了马瑟林。

I think he's got potential camp, and they got Matherin.

这是一笔相当不错的交易。

It's a pretty good trade.

这个交易对我来说更有意义。

That trade makes more sense to me.

你们有机会在选秀中拿到第五、第六、第七、第八或第九顺位，来替代你们给雷霆队的签位，对吧？

You have a chance to get five, six, seven, eight, or nine in the draft to replace the pick you're giving to the Thunder, right?

现在他们或许会尝试用洛佩兹搭配一些小球阵容。

And now they could try to patch together with Lopez with some small ball lineups.

也许他们还想再引进一名中锋。

Maybe they're gonna try to get one more center.

所以这个交易对我来说更有意义。

So that makes more sense to me.

再说一遍？

Say that again?

是一到四和十到三十？

It's one to four and ten to 30?

是的，基本上如果是在第五、第六、第七、第八或第九顺位，

Yeah, basically if it's five, six, seven, eight, or nine,

如果是一到四顺位，那它（交换条件）会变成什么？

What does quick it become if it's one to four?

嗯，我猜通常有这种保护条款时，它会顺延到27年，所以29年才没有保护，对吧？

Well, my guess is usually when there's protections like that, it rolls over to 27, which is why 29 is unprotected, right?

所以步行者队大概会保留第26顺位，但如果我们不保留，你们就会得到第27顺位，或者说，你们会得到第27顺位。

So the Pacers are like, probably keeping 26, but if we don't keep it, you get 27, or you get it, or you get 27.

这确实是一笔非常有趣的交易。

That's a really interesting trade.

这是一笔好交易。

It's a good trade.

我认为一到四号签对快船队来说是稳赚的。

One to four is a is a win for the Clippers, I think.

我确信双方就这个范围的截止点进行了非常艰难的谈判，因为你知道，乐透抽签这种事，谁说得准步行者队最终会排第几呢？

I'm sure that the two sides negotiated really hard about that exact range of where that should end because, you know, the way the lottery works, I mean, who knows where Indiana will finish?

这个选秀权成功兑现的概率应该会超过五成，我们拭目以待第十顺位会如何发挥作用。

There's gonna be a better than fifty fifty chance that that pick conveys well, I mean, we'll see how the tenth pick comes into it.

但是，即使是战绩最差的球队，联盟中最差的队伍，也有大约48%的几率拿到第五顺位选秀权。

But, like, even the worst record guy, the worst team in the league has, like a 48% chance of getting the fifth pick.

然后，你知道，就从那里继续。

And then, you know, you go from there.

对。

Right.

而且它将会是

And it's it's gonna be

对步行者队来说，这相当于第四顺位——我们一直说这是三人选秀然后水平就断崖式下跌，基本上整个大学赛季都是如此，但我认为北卡罗来纳那孩子确实是个很不错的第四顺位人选。

Well, for the Pacers, it's a four per we've been saying it's a three person draft and then a drop off, basically, for most of the college season, but I think that North Carolina kid is a really nice number four.

不会比步行者队更好。

Won't be better than Pacers.

大概会是五五开吧。

It'll be like fifty fifty.

我正在心算呢。

I'm doing math off the top of my head.

是的。

Yeah.

如果我是步行者队，我也想确保有机会拿到四号签，因为最坏的情况也能选到北卡的那个威尔逊。

If I'm the Pacers, I wanna protect my chance at also getting number four, because worst case scenario, I get Wilson from Carolina.

随着我们进行更多交易，我越来越清楚你的排名策略了。

More I have know what you're doing rankings as we make for more trades.

国王队他们在这里简直是全面覆盖。

The Kings, they're just blanket in here.

不知道国王队在搞什么名堂。

Don't know what the Kings are doing.

我不明白他们为什么要帮骑士队省下5000万美元来得到德安德烈·亨特。

I don't understand why they helped save the Cavaliers $50,000,000 to get DeAndre Hunter.

还在琢磨这事儿吗？

Still trying to figure that out?

哦，他们摆脱了丹尼斯·施罗德，但接手了德安德烈·亨特，过程中还放弃了基翁·埃利斯。当初他们引进施罗德的原因就没人能理解，后来换来拉塞尔·威斯布鲁克更是让人摸不着头脑。

Oh, they got off Dennis Schroeder, but they got on DeAndre Hunter, and they gave up Keon Ellis in the process, and they got Dennis Schroeder for reasons that nobody understood, and then they got Russell Westbrook for more reasons that nobody understood.

你觉得谁最难过？

Who do you think is most sad?

如果过了29分钟国王队还没有交易，给悲伤程度排个名吧。

Rank rank the sadness levels if we go twenty nine minutes and there's no King's trade.

排一下谁最难过？

Rank who's most sad?

扎克·拉文、德玛尔·德罗赞、多曼塔斯·萨博尼斯，哦，

Zach Levine, Damar Derosen, Domas Sabonis, Oh,

完全不觉得扎克·拉文会难过。

don't think Zach Levine's sad at all.

他已经选择执行明年的合同了。

He's already opted into next year.

他大概在想，他们的支票能兑现吗？

Then He's like, are their checks clearing?

国王队的球迷们是第一位的，对吧？

Kings fans are number one, right?

就像什么，怎么说呢？

Just like what, like how?

国王队球迷第一。

Kings fans one.

萨博尼斯第二。

Sabonis two.

绝对是第二。

Is definitely two.

萨博尼斯简直说：我简直不敢相信这竟成了我的生活。

Sabonis is like, I just can't even believe this is my life now.

萨博尼斯大概会想：我本来还以为有机会去多伦多、波特兰，或者任何地方，但他偏偏刚签了续约合同。

Sabonis is probably like, I thought I had a chance maybe to sneak over to Toronto, Portland, somewhere, anywhere, but He literally the other signed the extension.

我排第五，我不知道你这排名是怎么搞的，是魔术队，他们至今没做任何交易，我真不明白他们这支球队到底在干嘛，球员组合也让人费解。

My number five, I don't know what you're doing rankings, is The Magic, who have not made a trade yet, and I don't really understand what's going on with that team, and the mix of guys they have.

然后第六是扎克洛。

And then here's number six, Zaclow.

好的。

Okay.

次轮选秀签，为什么球队对它们这么兴奋？看起来人们想要它们，是因为其他球队太傻，愿意交易这些签。

Second round picks, why are It teams so excited about seems like people want them because other teams are dumb enough to trade them.

但当你去浏览篮球参考网站，查看每年所有次轮新秀的表现时，你中奖的概率只有十分之一。

But then when you go through basketball reference, and look through all the guys taking in the second round every year, you got a one in ten chance of hitting on somebody.

通常的情况是，一个在次轮被选中的球员，两年后会出现在另一支球队，比如迪亚·巴蒂。

Usually it's a guy that was drafted by a team in the second round, and two years later ends up on another team like Dia Bhatti.

极少情况下，这会是一个出色的选秀签。

Very rarely is this an awesome pick.

似乎每年都有些球队会上当，对次轮新秀欲罢不能。

And it seems like some of these teams fall for it every year and they can't get enough of the second rounders.

我不明白这是为什么。

I don't understand it.

嗯，你知道的，就像波士顿和芝加哥的那笔交易。

Well, you know, it's like the Boston Chicago trade.

公牛队拿到了新奥尔良的第二轮选秀权，我想。

The Bulls got New Orleans second rounder, I think.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

所以那将会是第三十一、三十二顺位，第30顺位用来选球员。

And so that's gonna be the thirty first, thirty second, 30 for picking the game.

我明白这一点，但我为什么要关心我有多少个

I get it with that, but what do I care about how I many might

我的意思是，即使是那样，还有NBA的这些小把戏，显然我也是其中一员，但很多时候就是这样，但那可是交易的瑰宝，资产的精华，结果却一文不值。

mean, even that, and the NBA geekery, which is I am a part of, obviously, but a lot of it just does, but what a that's a gem of a trade, gem of an asset, and it turns out to be nothing.

而且这些二轮选秀权，囤积起来确实不错，因为如果你有很多，就可以像明尼苏达那样，直接扔出六个去换一个球员。

And it turns like these second round picks, they're nice to, like, hoard because if you get a lot of them, you can do what Minnesota did and just throw six of them at one player.

然后你看看，就像是丹佛2027年的情况。

And then you look, it's like, Denver's twenty twenty seven.

那并不是很好。

That's not very good.

而且，你知道，我觉得人们有点过度迷恋这些选秀权，但如果你有足够多的，就可以像明尼苏达那样，把它们当作筹码来完成那种关键交易。

And, like, it's like, you know, I I think people fetishize them a little bit, but if you get enough, you can weaponize them for, like, one, can you get over the goal line kind of trade like Minnesota made.

但我们能回到奥兰多的话题吗？

But can we go back to Orlando?

好的。

Yeah.

我不太喜欢，他们是25胜24负。

I don't like, they're twenty five and twenty four.

而且他们最近的一些失利，球队上空的低迷氛围就像是二级战备状态。显然，他们正在等待弗朗茨回归，并祈祷弗朗茨——我认为他是他们最好的球员——能把一切都串联起来，然后突然间，他们就会成为大家预期中的那支球队，成为他们自己认为会成为的那支球队。

And and some of their losses have been recently like, the funk level hovering over their team is like a DEFCON two funk And level this obviously they're waiting for Franz to come back and crossing their fingers that Franz, who is I think their best player, ties everything together and all of a sudden they're the team that everybody thought they would be, that they thought they would be.

我认为目前这有点不切实际。

I think that's a little pie in the sky at this point.

我认为他们的阵容，他们的球队明年可能会看起来大不相同。

I think their roster is gonna look their team could look very different next year.

教练、阵容、所有一切，如果他们不扭转这个局面的话。

Coach, roster, everything, if they don't turn this around.

但他们也...我在想，有哪些球队感觉像是输掉了，因为扬尼斯·辛格被踢到夏天去了？

But they're also I'm trying to think like, what are the teams that lost, that feel like they lost because Giannis Singh got kicked to the summer?

那么，有哪些球队是因为扬尼斯·辛格被交易到……哦，马特，而赢了的呢？

And what are the teams that won because Giannis Singh got kicked to the Oh, Matt.

而且我想把奥兰多列入后一个名单，因为你知道，用保罗换扬尼斯，再加一堆筹码换扬尼斯，是我最喜欢的假想交易之一，但魔术队现在已经没有一堆筹码了，而且保罗身上的光环也已经褪去了。

And I wanna include Orlando on the latter list because you know that Paolo for Giannis Paolo and a bunch of stuff for Giannis is like one of my favorite fake trades, but the Magic don't have a bunch of stuff anymore, and the bloom is off the rose with Paolo.

就像赛季初那样，如果你没有被那些晦涩的工资帽规则所束缚，那原本可能会是，哇，密尔沃基。

Like at the beginning of the season, if you were not poison pilled by the arcane cap rules, that would have been like, woah, Milwaukee.

这已经是他们能做到的最好的了。

That's the best they could have done.

而扬尼斯·特拉伊，他们得到了最好的球员。

And Ioannis Tray, they got the best player.

而现在的情况是，我们更愿意拥有埃文·莫布里，可能还有其他几个类似球员，而不是那个。

And now it's like, we'd much rather have Evan Mobley and probably a couple other kind of guys than that.

用保罗来换扬尼斯，这筹码相当不错。

Paolo's a pretty good prize, for Giannis.

我同意。

I don't disagree.

我只是说，这

I'm just saying it's

那么，会是这样的吗？

Well, would it be be?

比如，23岁？

Like, 23?

我20岁

I 20

我觉得，如果这个赛季今天就结束，情况会更像是：好吧，他们得想办法弄清楚保罗该怎么用，以及怎么处理恩博雷斯。

think after this season, if it ended today, it would be a lot more like, all right, well, they're gonna have to figure out how Paulo works, and what to do with Embores.

要是在赛季开始前，这交易对雄鹿队来说，肯定会被评为A++级别的爆炸性交易，诸如此类的评价。

Before the season, it would've been like an explosion of A plus plus trade grades for the Bucks, and blah blah blah.

对。

Right.

我觉得你说得对。

I think you're right.

我唯一觉得‘我不知道你们在搞什么，但其实我明白他们意图’的交易是勇士队用库明加和巴迪·希尔德换波尔津吉斯那笔，因为这交易确实合理。

The only other team I had for the I have no idea what you're doing, but I actually do have an idea what they're doing, because the trade made sense, is Kuminga and Buddy Heald for poor Zingus, the Warriors doing that.

很明显他们必须得到库明加，必须结束这个局面。

It's clear they just had to get Kuminga, they just had to end the situation.

就是这样。

That was it.

为了结束这场风波，他们不惜一切代价，然后他们问，我们能提供给你可怜的Zingus吗？

Whatever it took to end the saga, and they're like, can we offer you poor Zingus?

他基本上每年都受伤，还有些神秘的医疗状况，我们根本不知道他能打多少场比赛。

He's basically hurt every year and has some mystery medical condition, and we have no idea how many games he's gonna play.

然后他们就好像，完蛋了。

And they're like, done.

我们结束吧。

Let's call it in.

我们甚至不需要选秀权。

We don't even need picks.

那笔交易在东海岸时间已经是凌晨快12点了，我当时就想：‘该睡觉了。’

That was my we're going to bed trade on East Coast time last That trade comes over at like 11:45PM East Coast time.

我心想，既然来了个伤愈复出的波尔津吉斯，也许我真该去休息了。

I'm like, coming in healed for Porzingis, might be time for me to turn in.

如果我们都已经走到交易截止日这个阶段了，那你可能真该想想：‘这到底发生了什么？’

If this if we've reached this stage of the trade deadline, it might be time for you to like, I'm just like, what what happened here?

库明加在老鹰队能适配吗？

Does Kuminga fit on the Hawks at all?

不能。

No.

他们会在乎他是否适配吗？

Do they care if he fits on

老鹰队为什么想要库明加？

the Hawks Why did they at want Kuminga?

他们想要什么？

What are

会想要什么？

gonna want for?

大概是为了以后再把他交易出去。

Probably to trade him again at at some point.

波尔津吉斯，那种空间型中锋。

Porzingis like, Stretch five.

勇士队真的很需要一个空间型中锋。

The Warriors really need to stretch five.

他不上场。

He doesn't play.

我知道他不上场很糟糕，但你也不能指望波尔津吉斯上场。

Like, I'm not it sucks that he doesn't play, but you can't pencil in Porzingis.

这就像是，他在这个阵容中的作用就是这样，如果他不上场，球队就无法激活X、Y和Z。

It's like, Well, this is how he fits in the lineup, and they unlocks X, Y, and Z if he doesn't play.

嗯，我们都喜欢奇才队做的那笔AD交易。

Well, we both liked the AD trade for the wizards.

我不明白AD这笔交易怎么搞得像嘉年华一样。

I didn't get the AD trade is like a carnival.

我有点像在发一通关于嘉年华的牢骚。

I kind of like I'm I'm like on a carnival rant.

我不知道到底发生了什么。

I don't know what's going on.

我倒还挺喜欢这样的。

I kinda like it.

有时候我有点害怕。

Sometimes I'm getting kinda scared.

就像，是的。

Like, yeah.

就像我旁边有人吐了，我不太确定发生了什么，但我玩得挺开心的。

It was like someone next to me threw up, I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm of having fun.

我喜欢这样。

I love it.

就连豪斯也很快就说服了自己，但他们就是没放弃任何东西。

Even House talked himself into it pretty quickly, but they just didn't give up anything.

而且无论他们拿回了什么，最坏的情况也只是一份即将到期的大合同，要知道，他们一开始就是把这合同塞进那笔交易里的。

And whatever they got back, worst case scenario, it'd just be a giant expiring contract, which, you know, they were throwing into that trade to begin with.

那些选秀权毫无意义。

The picks are meaningless.

它们只会是首轮末段的签位。

They're just gonna be end of the round picks.

而且他们还有一线希望，就是AD能为自己重建交易价值，这对他们来说要么是好事，因为他要么能成为季后赛球员，他们可以把他换成有意义的东西。

And they have this puncher's chance of AD being able to rebuild his trade value for them, and either it's good for them because he'll or be a playoff they can flip him for something meaningful.

对我来说，这绝对是毫无疑问的好事。

Like to me, an absolute no brainer.

我们知道马奥尼今天为《The Ringer》写了一篇精彩文章，解释了达拉斯这么做的原因——他们必须向前看，不能再留他在身边了。

And we know why Mahoney did a great piece for the ringer today, here's why Dallas did this, because they just had to move on and they couldn't have him around anymore.

他就是史上最愚蠢交易活生生的体现。

He was this walking embodiment of the dumbest trade that's ever happened.

他们只能继续前进，就像谋杀案发生后更换客房，摆上新家具然后就此了事。

And they just had to move on and change up the guest room after the murder happened, and put new furniture in there and call it a day.

但我觉得奇才队——这么说很罕见——我认为奇才队过去几年运营得非常好。

But I thought the Wizards, it's rare to say, I think the Wizards have been run really well the last couple years.

他们一次又一次地做出了在我看来明智且合理的举动，很像夏洛特队。

They've made smart moves that have made sense to me over and over again, much like Charlotte.

这两支队伍曾经在组织管理上一团糟，但现在至少他们的操作看起来是合乎逻辑的。

Two teams that have been an organizational disaster, who now at least seem like their moves are logical.

我对此很赞同，我真的很喜欢这个。

I was in on this, I really liked it.

嗯，至少当他们为安东尼·戴维斯编造伤病，以便在剩余赛季摆烂，并保护他们那前八顺位保护的选秀权——如果掉出前八就会送给尼克斯的话。

Well, and at least when they make up injuries for Anthony Davis so that they can tank the rest of the season and protect their top eight protected pick that goes to the Knicks if it's outside the top eight.

你不必编造这些理由。

You don't have to make them up.

人们会相信的。

People will believe it.

你可以随便说。

You could say anything.

你可以说安东尼·戴维斯在家的楼梯上绊到了脚。

You'd be like Anthony Davis stubbed his toe on the stairs in his house.

邦戈。

Bongo.

小腿肌肉或什么的。

Calf muscles slash something.

那

The

他新公寓的电梯关闭得比预期快，把他吸进去了，他将缺席10场比赛。

elevators in his new apartment building closed faster than expected and swooshed him, he's out for 10 games.

你什么都说得信。

You believe anything.

是的。

Yeah.

他有眩晕症。

He has vertigo.

好吧。

Okay.

当然。

Sure.

但我根本不记得有哪支球队像这样糟糕透顶，既没有获得过任何有意义的乐透签运来提升顺位，也没能锁定一个显而易见的世代级天才新秀。

But I don't remember anything quite like this where a team that is so abysmally bad, that has not enjoyed any meaningful lottery luck in terms of moving up and locking into a no brainer generational prospect.

我觉得萨尔真的很强。

I think Saar is really good.

不确定他是不是像你说的那样是世代级的。

Not sure he's a generational like you did.

这可不是库珀·弗拉格，也不是文巴尼亚马，显然不是。

Like, this is it's not Cooper Flagg or, you know, Wenbanyama, obviously.

他也不是里萨·谢伊。

He's also not Risa Shay.

而且还是这么差。

And and still so bad.

这支球队真的非常非常差。

Like, the team is so so bad.

他们通过麦克勒姆的交易自毁前程，而且他们刚刚拥有两位球员——我是说，健康状态下的AD是顶级20球员，但这有个很大的前提，就是得健康。

Shot themselves in the foot with the McCollum trade, and they just had two, like I'm just like, AD when healthy is a top 20 player, when healthy is a big a big caveat.

前25名。

Top 25.

第34名。

34

明年？

next year?

至于特雷·杨，无论你是爱他、恨他，还是怎样。

And Trae Young, like, love him, hate him, whatever.

如果我们坐下来给他排名，他大概是NBA前40名的球员。

He's a top 40 player in the NBA probably if we sat down and ranked him.

不管怎么说，一支烂到极点、明目张胆摆烂的球队，刚刚有两位全明星级别的球员像天上掉馅饼一样落到手里，然后居然决定——是啊，猜猜看，为什么不呢？

Whatever it is, a team that is abysmally bad, nakedly tanking, just had two all star level players like fall into its lap and decided like, yeah, guess sure, why not?

我们会收下特劳雷·杨和安东尼。

We'll take Traore Young and Anthony.

这是我记忆中最为诡异的情况之一。

It's one of the weirdest situations I can remember.

我想还好他们为此付出的代价并不大。

I guess it's fine they didn't give up very much for it.

他们并没有放弃任何东西。

They didn't give up anything.

我认为他们也是一个很好的例子，说明了为什么你不应该买断合同，以及为什么最好等到三月份再买断某人，因为你永远不知道会发生什么。

I don't think It's also they're a good example of why you don't buy out contracts, and why you're better off waiting until March before you buy somebody out, because you never know.

你永远不知道达拉斯什么时候会突然决定，'我们就是得交易掉这家伙。'

You never know when Dallas is gonna be like, We just have to trade this guy.

我们得继续往下说了。

We gotta move on from this.

突然间，你的球队就拥有了安东尼·戴维斯。

And all of sudden you have Anthony Davis on your team.

顺便提一句，关于这件事的传闻是，里奇·保罗和Klutch体育曾表示，如果你交易得到AD，就必须给他一份续约合同。

And by the way, the rap on this was that Rich Paul, Klutch Sports, was if you traded for AD, you were gonna have to give him an extension.

没有续约。

There's no extension.

我从其他球队那里听说——不是参与其中，但至少是保持关注AD动态的球队——他们最后退出了，因为他们意识到了这一点

I think I heard from other teams that were in, not in, but like at least in the, like, keep us in the loop on AD, that they came off that toward the end, because they realized it

所以，输球的事我们得谈谈。所以，我们喜欢奇才队的这笔交易。

So, was losing we gotta talk about So, we like that trade for the Wizards.

等等，他们其中一个

Wait, Can that one of their

我们反过来想呢？

we flip it around?

你觉得这对达拉斯怎么样？

Like, what do you think of it for Dallas?

你只是觉得我们不得不这么做，即使选秀权没了，我不

You just think it's we had to do it even though the picks are no I

我不会这么做。

wouldn't part of have done it.

我会留着他们到今年夏天，因为那会是一个巨大的即将到期的合同。

I would have kept them until this summer because it would have been a big giant expiring contract.

我还是喜欢他，觉得他和球队很配。

I still liked him and flagged together.

我们只短暂地看过他，但我认为他真的有潜力。

We only saw briefly, but I thought there was real potential there.

我只是会留着他。

I just would have kept him.

我明白，我不在达拉斯，不知道那个情况有多糟糕，也许确实那么糟。

And I get it, I'm not in Dallas, I don't know how grisly and awful it is, that situation, and maybe it's that bad.

但从根本上说，如果他根本不上场，你们又想摆烂以争取乐透签，迟早有一天，弗拉格会受某种伤病，球队会让他歇着。

But fundamentally, I don't know what If he's not playing anyway, you're trying to tank to get a lottery pick, at some point, some point Flag will have some sort of injury, they'll shut him down.

但我搞不懂，为什么他现在就已经受伤了。

But I don't understand why he's already hurt.

这对你们来说是最好的情况，然后你们可以在夏天决定怎么做。

This is the best case scenario for you, and then you can decide what to do this summer.

那为什么现在就要交易他？

Why is this a trade now?

因为你们就是想把他甩掉。

It's because you wanna get rid of him.

是的，我觉得关于这笔交易更有趣的话题是，一方面，安东尼·戴维斯受伤时，其实并没有很强的市场，甚至可以说几乎没什么市场需求，你不能指望他复出后能帮助球队冲击季后赛。

Yeah, I think that's the more interesting conversation about this trade is on the one hand there was like not really a strong, but there was maybe not much of a market at all for Anthony Davis injured right Like you can't just bank on him coming in and helping a playoff run.

合同就是这样的。

The contract is what it is.

6300万美元的球员选项也悬在上面。

The $63,000,000 player option sort of looms over it too.

我认为这是这个交易中一个被低估的细节，华盛顿可能不在意，但其他球队会。

I think that's an underrated little element of this that Washington probably doesn't care about, but other teams would.

我觉得现在独行侠不可能做得比这更好了。

And, you know, like, I don't think the Mavs could have done better than this now.

如果他们等到夏天，也不可能比这更糟了。

They certainly couldn't have done worse than this in the summer had they waited.

我觉得更有趣的角度是，他们真的需要现在就做这笔交易吗？

I think it's that's the more interesting angle is like, did they did they really need to do this now?

我不太信服。

I I I'm not convinced.

他们不需要。

They did not.

我的意思是，如果尼克斯在季后赛中早早出局，你难道不能用唐斯加上其他筹码换来戴维斯吗？

I mean, what if the Knicks flame out in the playoffs, and you could get Townes and something else for Davis?

这只是一个更好的资产。

Like, it's just a better asset.

我最喜欢两笔交易，你肯定不会对其中任何一笔感到惊讶。

Two trades that I loved, you won't be surprised by either of them.

排名第二的是尼克斯队用短短两秒就换来了阿尔瓦拉多，作为对亚巴塞利的交换。

Ranking number two on the list, the Knicks getting Alvarado, basically for Yabaselli in two seconds.

他们用亚巴塞利换来了特里。

They traded Yabaselli for Terry.

阿尔瓦拉多，完美的季后赛球员。

Alvarado, perfect playoff guy.

我本来还希望活塞队能签下他，因为我总觉得他会对那支球队特别有帮助。

I was kinda hoping the Pistons would get him, just for I just thought he would've been great on that team.

我觉得，如果尼克斯和活塞在五月爆发替补席群殴，有了阿尔瓦拉多在尼克斯，这种可能性大概已经降到+240了？

I do think the bench clearing brawl odds for Knicks Pistons in May has probably dropped to plus two forty with Alvarado on the Knicks?

我觉得，如果他们交手的话，赔率是

I think I think the odds if they play are

要打起来了。

There's a fight.

嗯，想想吧，我们需要裁判。

Well, just think We need referees.

我觉得更令人震惊的是裁判。

I think the more shocking referees.

关于系列赛中会在哪一场比赛发生，赌的是大还是小。

The over under on what game in the series it is.

比如，我们是设在2.5场，还是1.5场？

Like, is it do we set it at two and a half and at like one and a half?

难道是第一场就发生？

Is just game one?

如果亚当·席尔瓦宣布系列赛的规则，那会很有趣。

It would be funny if Adam Silver announced the ground rules for the series.

我们会说，听着，你可能不信我，但我只是想让你们知道，如果有人出拳，就会被禁赛四场。

We're like, look, you might not believe me, as I just want you guys to know, if punches are thrown, you're out for four games.

简单来说，就说清楚这里有什么赌注。

Like, just lay out basically, here's what's at stake.

我觉得这些球队在季后赛系列赛中不可能不发生一些冲突。

I don't think there's any way these teams don't get into some sort of fight in a playoff series.

阿尔瓦拉多，我觉得阿尔瓦拉多已经和活塞队打过架了，对吧？

Alvarado, I think Alvarado's already gotten in a fight with the Pistons, didn't he?

得回头查一下。

Have to go back through

阿尔瓦拉多这人，他跟谁都敢打，但我真的很喜欢他。

the Alvarado's like, he'll go out out with anybody, but I really liked them.

他们需要他，麦克布莱德要缺阵一段时间，而你知道，他是个季后赛型球员。

They needed them, McBride's out for a while, and you know, he's a playoff guy.

他是第九人，尤其在主场上场时，能扭转局势，这正是你想要的。

He's a ninth man who's gonna come in, especially at home, and he can swing quarters, which is what you want.

但更重要的交易，你之前提到过，塔苏姆去明尼苏达换迪林厄姆，而迪林厄姆是个失败者，换些次轮签之类的。

But the more important trade, you mentioned earlier, Tassum would go into Minnesota for Dillingham, who's a bust, for second round picks, whatever.

塔苏姆确实很出色，他是不是你们阿肯色全明星队的成员？

Tassum was just legitimately good, and he's a Was he in your Arkansas All Stars?

我想不起来了。

I can't remember.

不是。

No.

但他本可以，他完全有资格成为一名替补控卫。

But he could have been, he could have made a case as a bench guard.

当然。

Sure.

我本来希望凯尔特人能签下他。

I was hoping the Celtics were gonna get him.

我不明白公牛队为什么不想得到他。

I don't know why the Bulls wouldn't want him.

他简直是巨大的提升。

He is such an upgrade.

你觉得在本周之前，森林狼队的控球后卫位置评分是多少？

What do you think the Timberwolves point guard position was for a grade heading into this week?

对你来说，是F-、F还是D-？

Was it an F minus, an F, or a D minus for you?

每三场比赛中，布兰特岛队就能赢一场

One out of every three games, Blunt Island would make it

想想这句话有多让人难过。

Think how C sad that is.

想想这句话有多令人心酸。

Think how sad that sentence was.

我的意思是，我很喜欢他们现有的首发五人组，虽然没有传统控卫，但我觉得这样也挺好。

I mean, I I love their starting five as is, which does not have a traditional point guard, and I think that works fine.

这更多不是关于这个位置的典型模板，尽管在比赛后期它可能有帮助，而这支队伍过去确实有过一些末节崩盘，不过他们昨晚对阵多伦多时却正好相反。

It's it's less about the archetype of that position, although it can help late in games, and this is a team that's had some late game meltdowns, although they had the opposite against Toronto last night.

关键是，你的替补阵容不能每次都靠纳斯·里德和一点希望，而他们现在已经从那种情况变成了年度最佳第六人奖的热门人选。

It's just more about like your bench can't be Nas Reed and a hope and a prayer every single every single moment of every single And they've gone from that to one of the favorites for sixth man of the year.

在攻防两端都表现出色。

Good on both ends of the floor.

高阶数据并不看好他的防守。

The advanced stats don't love him defensively.

我认为这没问题，可能因为他在效力的球队主题而存在缺陷。

I I think that's fine and probably flawed because of the theme that he's playing for.

我认为这是我为明尼苏达设定的头号目标，也是我最看好的潜在替补后卫人选。

I think this is this was my number one target for Minnesota, my favorite potential guard off the bench.

唯一的附加说明

The only caveat

你确定他是替补吗？

Are you sure he's off the bench?

我的意思是，我会让他打替补。

I mean, I I would bring him off the bench.

就像我说的，我觉得他们的首发五人很棒。

I love like I said, I think their starting five is great.

但他可能会为他们完成比赛。

And Well, he might be finishing games for them, though.

是的。

Sure.

这没问题。

That's fine.

有时候纳斯·里德也会这样。

And, like, sometimes Nas Reed does.

有时候你就是无法预知谁会来完成比赛。

Sometimes you you just never know who's gonna finish games.

我觉得这笔交易对他们来说太棒了。

I love this trade for them.

他的投篮命中率接近五成、四成、九成。

He's sniffing fifty, forty, 90 from the field.

他三分球命中率是45%。

He 45 from three.

他能攻击所有空间。

He attacks all the space.

当你用两人包夹安特时，所有空档都会打开，他是个非常果断的下坡型球员。

Like, when you put two on the ball against Ant and all those gaps open up, he's a very decisive downhill player.

他会为球队注入一些速度。

He'll inject some pace into their team.

我认为他简直是完美的A+适配者。

I think he's like an absolute A plus perfect fit.

唯一的疑问是，比尔，他们难道不能直接重新签下尼基尔·亚历山大·沃克，从而省去很多麻烦吗？

The only caveat, Bill, is could they have just re signed Nikhil Alexander Walker and saved themselves a lot of trouble?

你对这个疑问怎么回应？

What is your response to that caveat?

我更喜欢这种安排的运作方式。

I like how this played much more.

我觉得他们能有这样的结果真是太出人意料了。

I think this was outrageous how this worked out for them.

我简直不敢相信，四个次轮签就换来了一个本就没什么前途的球队的球员。

And I can't believe four second round picks are worth the soon move for a team that's going nowhere anyway.

我真心希望凯尔特人能用他们的首轮签换他，因为我觉得，尽管他们刚和西蒙斯、武切维奇做了交易，但这家伙正是那种在关键时刻能提速、又能防守对方控卫的聪明型球员。

I honestly wish the Celtics had offered their first round pick for him, because I think, even though they just traded them with the Simons Vucevic, I would have This is exactly the type of guy on a really smart team that can push the pace when you need somebody to defend another point guard.

我只是觉得他是个赢球型球员。

I just think he's a winning player.

我本来很惊讶他们把他交易了，因为正如你所说，他才26岁。

And I was surprised they traded him, because as you said, he's 26.

我理解科贝·怀特那件事。

I understand the Kobe White thing.

科贝·怀特，他未来可能从某支球队拿到每年2500万美元的合同，谁知道呢？

Kobe White, there's odds he might get 25,000,000 a year from somebody, who knows?

但这家伙简直就是那种低调却出色的季后赛型球员，正是他们需要的类型。

But this is like the classic sneaky awesome playoff guy, and exactly what they needed.

因为现在，你看过多少次他们比赛，心里都想着：天啊，真希望他们有个会运球的人，而不是让安特在关键时刻硬撑。

Because now, how many times have you watched them where it seems like, man, I just wish they had somebody who knew how to dribble the ball instead of Ant in And some of these crunch

他还能在一场比赛中轻松砍下25分。

he's also capable of like, he'll go off for a legit 25 points in a game.

他不是那种今晚只拿了16分就说这是场大比赛的人。

He's not like, well, got a 16 tonight, it's a big game.

他真的能随时爆发得分。

Like, he can pour it in

他是那种能在单节接管比赛的球员。

He's a game V check, when he's take over a quarter guy.

我敢保证，我不认识多少公牛球迷会为失去他而高兴，他去明尼苏达后，和安特非常契合。

I guarantee, I don't know a lot of Bulls fans, there's no way they're psyched about losing him, and he's gonna go in Minnesota, he fits with the ant.

我跟你说，扎洛，因为今天明尼苏达的总决赛赔率一直在波动，一度他们还是16比1，当时人们觉得他们有赢下字母哥的机会，现在赔率已经变成27比1了。

I'll tell you this, Zaclow, because the Minnesota odds were jumping around today for the finals, at one point they were like, I don't know, 16 to one, when there seemed like they had a Giannis chance, it was 20 to earlier, now it's 27 to one.

我认为他们夺冠的概率是第三高的。

I think they have the third best chance to win the title.

如果OKC在FanDuel的赔率是+10，丹佛是7比1，接下来是凯尔特人14比1，像马刺这样的球队是15比1，我觉得明尼苏达应该排在第三位。

Like if you OKC is plus one ten on FanDuel, Denver is seven to one, and then the next team is Celtics at 14 to one, and some of these teams, Spurs 15 to one, I would have Minnesota in the three spot.

我认为他们具备在季后赛系列赛中竞争的实力，而且他们有一位球员，无论事实是否如此，他都觉得自己是联盟中最强的。

I think they're built to compete in playoff series, and they have a guy who thinks he's better than everyone else in the league, whether that's true or not, he thinks that.

他对阵雷霆、对战丹佛，无论对上谁，他都觉得我是场上最棒的球员。

And he plays OKC, he plays Denver, he plays whoever, and he's like, I'm the best guy in the game.

他们围绕他打造了一支不错的球队，既能打大个阵容，也能打小个阵容，得分点遍布全场。

And they have a nice team built around him, they can go bigger, they can go smaller, they have different scoring all over the place.

他们之前缺少的就是像他这样的球员，所以我把他排在第三位。

The one thing they were missing was somebody like this guy, so I'd have him third.

听好了，他们一直是我心中的黑马，完全有能力直接赢得总冠军，我真的非常喜欢他们现在的阵容。

Look, they've been my dark horse, like they can win the flat out win the title team all I I really like their team as is.

这支球队并不完美。

It's not perfect.

有时候比赛会显得有些糟糕和停滞不前。

It can get a little ugly and stagnant sometimes.

科尔伯特无疑是一位极具争议的球员。

Colbert is a very polarizing player to say the least.

联盟的趋势对他有点有利，因为现在一切都越来越大了。

People kind The league swung his way a little bit with how big everything's getting.

人们对他们连续两次进入分区决赛的表现有点不屑一顾。

People poo poo their back to back conference finals appearances a little bit.

比如，对阵形势正好有利，而且库里受伤了。

Like, the matchups broke right and Steph got hurt.

比如，他们是货真价实的分区决赛队伍，但他们输掉了那两个系列赛。

Like, they're a legit conference finals Like, they they lost those two series.

我认为他们俩的赔率都是一赔四，所以在最高级别的比赛中，他们的表现并不算太出色。

I think both of them were four to one, so they haven't acquitted themselves too well at the highest highest level.

但他们确实是一支非常出色的球队。

But they're a legit, really good team.

阿隆·戈登的腿筋问题现在正式成为掘金队的一大担忧，我认为如果他们保持健康，掘金队绝对有实力赢得总冠军。

Aaron Gordon's hamstring stuff is now officially, like, a major concern for the Nuggets who I think could absolutely win the championship if they're healthy.

这个‘如果’正变得越来越关键，而且我不太清楚赔率是如何运作的。

That if is coming bigger and bigger, and I don't know how odds work.

比如，我不知道该如何考虑这样一个事实：你们的前三支球队都是西部联盟的，而总得有人赢得东部联盟并进入总决赛。

Like, I don't know how you factor in the fact that your first three are all Western Conference teams and someone has to win the East and get to the finals.

但对我来说，我认为他们能赢得总冠军，而且在这之前情况就是如此。

But I I like, to me, they can win the title, and that's what that was the case before this.

尽管我之前就确信，他们肯定会在交易截止日前有所动作，比如送走迪林汉姆，而在我看来，这简直是完美人选。

Although I was baking in, they will do something for sure at the trade deadline like this with Dillingham going out, and this is this is to me the perfect guy.

嗯，有意思，丹佛队30胜，丹佛队以19负排在第三种子。

Well interesting, Denver's 30, Denver's in the three seed with 19 losses.

休斯顿队排名第四，他们的胜场较少，负场也较少，然后明尼苏达队排在第五。

Houston's four with their less wins, less losses, and then Minnesota's fifth.

丹佛队昨晚失去了沃特森。

Denver loses Watson last night.

我当时在看，那件事发生的时候你在看吗？

I was watching, were you watching when that happened?

他突然走出来，手扶着腿后侧？

All of sudden he walked out holding the back of his leg?

我看到了。

I did.

他在约基奇一个不可思议的得分过程中发生的。

He did it during a Jokic ridiculous Jokic basket down the road.

顺便说一下，约基奇的上场时间限制，是NBA历史上最假的上场时间限制。

Like the Jokic minutes restriction, by the way, the fakest minutes restriction in the history of the NBA.

既然这样，干嘛还要提它呢？

Like, why even talk about it?

如果真是这样的话，你知道吗？

If it's, you know what?

我们要打双加时了。

We're going double overtime.

我们要打四十多分钟了。

We're gonna play forty something minutes.

但发生的时候正好是约基奇在后场，所以我没注意到，然后比赛暂停了，我看到他一瘸一拐地离场。

But it happened during a Jokic backfield, so I missed it, and then the game went to break, and I saw him limping off.

我当时想，天啊，那真是那种看起来像‘是的’的情况。

I like, oh boy, that's and it didn't it was one of those ones where that looked like Yeah.

那不是一个好球。

It was not a good one.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

丹佛队连续输给了底特律和尼克斯，这两场比赛都精彩得像季后赛后期的对决，但我喜欢明尼苏达队目前的位置。

Denver loses back to back games against Detroit and the Knicks that were both awesome games, and just felt like later round playoff games, but I like the spot Minnesota's in.

另外我们没提到的是夏洛特队，基本上是从科林·塞克斯顿和科比·琼斯升级了。

Then, you know, the other one we didn't talk about was Charlotte with basically upgrading from Collin Sexton and Kobe Jones.

科比·怀特。

Kobe White.

抱歉，科比·怀特。

I'm sorry, Kobe White.

第一次直播播客失误。

First live podcast malpractice.

科比·琼斯，九十年代中期重要的美国足球运动员。

Kobe Jones, really important USA soccer player in the mid nineties.

对，我想是这样的。

That's right, I think.

是的。

Yeah.

科比·怀特，我觉得科林·塞克斯顿对那支黄蜂队来说挺有趣的，但我觉得科比·怀特是个更好的球员，更适合他们。

Kobe White, who I just think is I think Collin Sexton was fun for that Hornets team, but I think Kobe White's a better player, it makes more sense with them.

我觉得他们不会得到朗佐。

I don't think they're gonna get Lonzo.

我以为朗佐被买断了。

Thought Lonzo got bought out.

我以为他会去那里，不过我……

Thought that's where he was going, but I Well,

我觉得魔术队的泰·琼斯是个不错的税收甩卖对象，而且在这笔交易中，他们得到了两个次轮签，几乎补回了在塞克顿和科比·怀特交易中送出的三个次轮签。

think just that's got good Ty Jones from the Magic in a tax dump, and notably in that trade, they got two second round picks, almost replenishing the three seconds they sent out in the Sexton Kobe White deal.

是的。

Yeah.

科比·怀特简直就是科林·塞克顿的升级版。

Kobe White's just like a better version of Colin Sexton.

没错。

Right.

而且他和队友配合更默契，能组成一些更有趣的阵容。

And a little more thoughtful with teammates and gives them some some fun lineups.

夏洛特在最近25场比赛中的净效率值排在第三？

And Charlotte Charlotte's third in net rating in the last 25 games?

25场比赛可不是小样本了。

25 games is not a small sample size.

现在我想知道，如果你把那两场50分左右的大胜变成普通的20分左右的胜利，会怎么样？

Now a couple I wonder what would happen if you turned the two fifty something point victories into like run of the mill 20 something point victories.

是的。

Right.

会下降吗？

Would it drop?

但他们的排名仍在前五，而且他们确实以50分的优势赢下了那些比赛。

But it's still top five, and and they did win those games by 50 points.

而且他们看起来是真正有实力的。

And that they're they look legit.

我觉得如果他们打进季后赛，那会非常有趣。

Like, I think it would be super fun if they made the playoffs.

而且我觉得，现在如果他们进入附加赛，比如说超越了芝加哥。

And I think they're I mean, right now, if they got into the play in tournament, let's say they leapfrog Chicago.

他们的表现比亚特兰大更好。

I mean, they're playing better than Atlanta.

他们的表现比奥兰多更好。

They're playing better than Orlando.

他们比迈阿密打得还好。

They're playing better than Miami.

而且，干脆让他们进吧。

And hell, get them in there.

真希望能看到尼克斯对黄蜂的首轮对决。

Let's have like a Knicks Hornets first round series.

那肯定会很精彩。

That'd be a blast.

你觉得现在在FanDuel上，他们的晋级赔率是多少？

What do you think their playing odds are in FanDuel right now?

晋级？

To get in?

黄蜂队能成为参赛球队。

The Hornets to be a playing team.

好。

K.