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扎克·洛韦带你认识30位最引人注目的NBA季后赛球员

The 30 Most Intriguing NBA Playoff Guys, With Zach Lowe

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《The Ringer》的比尔·西蒙斯和扎克·洛韦在常规赛最后一天前瞻2026年NBA季后赛,并对季后赛中最引人注目的球员进行了一次选秀(0:32)。 主持人:比尔·西蒙斯 嘉宾:扎克·洛韦 制作人:陈豪达、爱德华多·奥坎波、克里斯·沃勒斯 组合购买更优惠 立即在Expedia.com预订 《The Ringer》致力于负责任的博彩。请访问 www.rg-help.com 了解可用的资源和援助热线。 了解更多关于您的广告选择。请访问 podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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这是比尔·西蒙斯的播客。

It's the Bill Simmons podcast.

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我今天周日晚上在Netflix上与扎奇·洛w一起直播。

I am here with Zach Lowe Sunday night live on Netflix.

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我很庆幸我们等到了,因为在那天之前,我敢打任何赌,丹佛队会是我们的第四号种子,而不是第三号种子。

I am so glad we waited because I would have bet anything heading into that day that Denver was going to be our number four seed, not our number three seed.

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但没有,他们赢了圣安东尼奥。

But no, they beat San Antonio.

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Anyway,扎奇现在在丹佛,因为他明天晚上在那里做一场现场演出。

Anyway, Zach's in Denver because he's doing a live show there tomorrow night.

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我明天会推出一个新的重看节目。

I have a new rewatch most coming tomorrow.

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这是我们上周在旧金山做的现场节目,叫《本能》,准备好观看吧。

It is a live show we did last week in San Francisco, Basic Instincts, so get ready for that.

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另外,我想要提一下周二即将推出的新的The Ringer播客,你可以现在关注并订阅。

There's also a new Ringer podcast coming I wanted to mention on Tuesday that you can follow, subscribe now.

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这是一档名为《Legata》的叙事类播客。

It's a narrative podcast called Legata.

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如果你喜欢八十年代的《迈阿密风云》、毒品、可卡因、精彩的故事之类的,而我确实喜欢,那就准备好迎接《Legata》吧,下周二将上线两集。

And if you like Miami Vice in the eighties and drugs and cocaine and great stories and all kinds of things like that, which I do, Get ready for Legata, two episodes coming on Tuesday.

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好了,扎奇·洛韦。

Alright, Zach Lowe.

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是的。

Yeah.

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你想从西部开始还是东部开始?

Do you wanna start West or East?

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因为今天发生了一堆事。

Because shit went down today.

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事情发生了。

Things happened.

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尽管我非常想先聊聊今天奥兰多魔术队到底发生了什么,但我觉得还是得从西部说起,毕竟丹佛拿到第三种子、湖人拿到第四种子的后果影响太大了。

As much as I'm tempted to start with what the hell happened with the Orlando Magic today, I think the West has to be the starting point just because of the implications of Denver getting the third seed, the Lakers getting the fourth seed.

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这在整体上带来了广泛的比赛对阵影响。

Just wide ranging matchup implications across the board there.

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好的。

Okay.

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关于丹佛队,我们今天只知道他们是输给圣安东尼奥的11.5分让分方,而且我们只知道约基奇必须打满十五到二十分钟,才能算作第65场比赛出场。

So Denver all we knew from Denver today, they were 11 and a half point underdogs against San Antonio, and all we knew was that Joker had to play like fifteen to twenty minutes to be eligible for game 65.

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除此之外,情况似乎很明确,因为他们的球员都被逮捕了,所以他们对进入四号和五号的对阵组合、打任何对手都相当安心。

Other than that, seemed pretty clear, because they're arresting all their dudes, that they were really comfortable getting into that four, five matchup, playing whoever.

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圣安东尼奥想赢丹佛,因为如果那样能让湖人升到第三,对他们来说再好不过了。

San Antonio wants to beat Denver because if that would have moved the Lakers up to three, that sounds great to them.

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所以他们整场比赛都在拼命,但丹佛却说:不不,大卫·罗迪。

So they're trying hard the whole game, and somehow Denver says, no no, David Roddy.

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有人说过,没错,别让大块头罗迪得逞。

Can't Somebody said that's right stop big body Roddy.

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是的。

Yeah.

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圣安东尼奥没有文班亚马。

No Wemby for San Antonio.

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所以,我现在想问你,如果你是丹佛队,你现在是不是在庆祝?

So now, I guess my question to you is, if you're Denver, are you like celebrating right now?

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你开心吗?

Are you happy?

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我的意思是,你们在庆祝你们赢了盘口,你们今年的盘口是53.5。

I mean you're celebrating that you got the over, your over was 53 and a half for the year.

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简直是奇迹般的赢盘。

Miraculous over.

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我赢了,但我们对大小分的预测表现很差。

I won, we did terrible on over unders.

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你赢得了最多正确预测大小分的奖项。

You won for most correct over unders.

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我们所有人都低于500。

All of us were under 500.

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我的投注战绩是五胜三负。

I went five and three on my locks.

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这个夏天我要把这个战绩推销给我的粉丝。

I'm selling that to my fans this summer.

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低迷的一年,投注战绩五胜三负。

Off year, five and three on the locks.

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但如果你是丹佛队,你在庆祝吗?

But if you're Denver, are you celebrating?

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你在做什么?

What are you doing?

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我觉得你根本不在乎。

I I think you're you're like, you clearly didn't care.

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对吧?

Right?

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如果他们真在意,本可以比现在做得更多。

So if they cared, they could have manipulated it more than they did.

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而且我认为,你看,你迟早得击败这些球队。

And I think, look, you're gonna have to beat these teams sometime.

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你可以争论,比如,是先打俄克拉荷马城,再打圣安东尼奥,希望其中一支被淘汰更好?

You could argue, like, is it better to go Oklahoma City and then San Antonio and hope one of them gets knocked out?

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还是先打圣安东尼奥,再打俄克拉荷马城,按照他们现在必须面对的顺序更好?

Or is it better to go San Antonio than Oklahoma City, the order they're gonna have to go now?

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无论如何,你可能都得面对这两支球队。

You might have to be both of them either way.

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不如好好享受一下。

Might as well have some fun.

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别在赛季最后一天操纵排名、玩花招来挑衅篮球之神。

Don't tempt the basketball gods by manipulating the standings and pulling shenanigans on the last day of the season.

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好好享受吧。

Have some fun.

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也许可以扰乱圣安东尼奥的心态。

Get in San Antonio's head maybe.

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我不介意。

I I I don't mind it.

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我的意思是,这其实没什么区别。

I mean, it's it's six of one, half dozen of the other.

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我本希望首轮对手弱一点,但最终可能也没多大影响,我们还是看看明尼苏达在首轮的表现吧。

I would have liked the easier first round matchup, but it may not even make a difference in the end, and we'll see how Minnesota looks in the first round.

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对吧?

Right?

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贾达·麦克丹尼尔斯刚复出。

Jada McDaniels just came back.

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安特刚缺席了一段时间。

Ant just missed some time.

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他们状态起起伏伏,很不稳定,而丹佛今年对阵森林狼的表现,其实比前两年好得多。

They've been just up and down and weird, and and Denver actually kind of played much better against the wolves this year than they had in the prior couple years.

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我觉得他们赢了三场,输了一场,所以我挺喜欢这个结果。

I think they were three and one, so I like it.

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去吧。

Go for it.

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赢几场吧。

Get some Ws.

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我在想,1982年那场最奇怪的比赛,实际上改变了整个赛季的走势。

Well, I was trying to think of the weirdest game '82 that actually swung seasons.

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因为确实有一场,我不记得是哪一年了,当时邓肯的马刺队在最后一周或最后一天输了一场愚蠢的比赛,结果改变了种子排名,直接搞砸了季后赛。

Because there was one, I don't remember what year it was with the Duncan Spurs, but they lost a dumb game in the last week or the last day, and it swung the seeds, and it actually like screwed up the playoffs.

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我相信是因为我现在老了。

I believe it was because I'm old now.

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我认为那是赛季最后一天输给新奥尔良的比赛,导致了马刺和快船那场史诗级的首轮对决。

I believe it was a loss to New Orleans on the last day of the season that set up the Spurs Clippers epic first round series.

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而新奥尔良也因此搭上了季后赛的末班车。

And New Orleans made the playoffs because of it.

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对,对,对,你说得对。

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

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那就是2015年。

2015 then.

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所以那是一次。

So that was one.

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然后另一次是两年前,圣安东尼奥的文班亚马在最后一周击败了丹佛,这稍微改变了丹佛的排名,突然间他们的季后赛之路变得艰难得多,影响了他们的表现。

Then the other one was two years ago, San Antonio with Wemby beat Denver in the last week, and that swung the Denver seed a little bit, and then all of a sudden their road was much tougher, and it hurt them in the playoffs.

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你知道吗?

You know what?

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你的路肯定会很难走。

Your road's gonna be tough.

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你想赢,路就一定会很难走,而且,我知道一些关于丹佛通往总决赛之路的想法,等我们做选秀分析的时候我会分享。

You wanna win, the road's gonna be tough, And, you know, I have some Denver thoughts on the road to to the to the finals or whatever that I'm gonna share later when we do our draft.

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我喜欢这样。

I like it.

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路肯定会很难走。

Road's gonna be tough.

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别挑衅篮球之神。

Don't tempt the basketball gods.

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丹佛队赢了54场。

54 wins for Denver.

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他们整个赛季有一半时间缺少戈登。

They don't have Gordon half the year.

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他们长时间失去了皮顿·沃森。

They lose Peyton Watson for a long time.

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卡姆·约翰逊直到最后大约一个半月才真正健康,而他们刚好比预测多赢了半场。

Cam Johnson's not really healthy till the last, I would say, month and a half, and they hit their over under by a half win.

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感觉他们本该达到这个水平,但我今年看了很多丹佛的比赛,真的觉得他们本可以赢60场。

Feels like around the right thing, and yet I watched a ton of Denver this year, and I really feel like that could have been 60 wins.

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他们在整个赛季中有一些非常愚蠢的失利。

They had some really dumb losses over the course of the year.

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所以现在丹佛对明尼苏达,我认为是我们最好的首轮系列赛。

So Denver, Minnesota now becomes, I think our best first round series.

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对吧?

Right?

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这是最有历史渊源的对决,我觉得可能会有冷门,双方都有顶级球员,明尼苏达队目前相对健康。

That's the best matchup where there's history, I could see an upset, great players are in the game, Minnesota seems like they're relatively healthy.

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我认为现在这是一号对决了。

I think that's number one now.

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我也这么觉得。

I think so.

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我的意思是,尼克斯对老鹰很有看点,但缺乏历史积淀。

I mean, Knicks Hawks has a lot of fun potential, but it doesn't have the history.

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你知道,这是第三次交锋了,过去四年里他们已经三次在季后赛相遇。

You know, this is a rubber match, I think three of the last four years now, they'll have met in the playoffs.

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这才是我们想看到的。

That's what you want.

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这才是 rivalry 形成的地方。

Like, that's where rivalries happen.

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当你连续五年中有四年、四年中有三年面对同一支球队时,很多核心球员都没有变。

When you face the same team four out of five years, three out of four years, a lot of the characters haven't changed.

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虽然有一些变化,但很多核心球员依然还在。

There's been some changes, but like a lot of the core guys are still there.

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这是一场一对一的对决。

It's one one.

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史诗级的第七场,上一次他们交手时,明尼苏达队在丹佛的主场赢了。

Epic seven gamer, the last time they played that Minnesota won on Denver's home floor.

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蒂姆·康诺利的事件,像幽灵一样笼罩着一切,是的。

It's the Tim Connolly, like hovering over everything Oh, Yeah.

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鲁迪·戈贝尔的选秀日交易,还有蒂姆·康诺利把戈贝尔重新带回明尼苏达的种种往事。

The Rudy Gobert draft day trade, like stuff happening, and Tim Connolly reacquiring him in Minnesota.

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这里有很多值得说的。

There's just a lot here.

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而且,确实如此。

And yeah, it is.

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这对森林狼来说是一系列重要的比赛,因为我觉得他们已经押注于我们连续两年打进分区决赛了。

And it's a big series for the Wolves because I think they've banked a lot on, hey, we've made the conference finals two years in a row.

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我们有时会根据对手的实力来调整发挥。

We play up to our competition.

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有时候我们却会降低水准去应对对手。

Sometimes we play down to our competition.

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我们容易感到无聊。

We get bored.

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嘿,等到季后赛再叫醒我们。

Hey, wake us up in the playoffs.

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现在你们醒过来了,却只排在第六,这就是你们面对的现实。

So now you woke up and you're sixth, and this is what you're looking at.

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尼古拉·约基奇打出了他职业生涯最佳的进攻赛季。

Nikola Jokic having his best offensive season ever.

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贾马尔·穆雷有望入选全明星第二阵容,甚至可能入选第三阵容。

Jamal Murray gonna make second team all NBA, maybe third team.

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我会把他排在第二阵容。

I'd put him on second team.

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祝你好运。

Good luck.

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这可不是你想要的。

That's not what you want.

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这就是你因为常规赛部分时间懈怠所得到的回报。

This is your reward for, you know, kinda lollygagging through parts of the regular season.

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你得面对丹佛、圣安东尼奥,

You have to go Denver, San Antonio,

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俄克拉荷马城。

OKC.

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投篮,没戏。

Shot, Not not happening.

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以明尼苏达目前的健康状况,我不看好我的机会。

I don't like my chances as healthy as Minnesota is.

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所以最不开心的球队是明尼苏达。

So the most unhappy team was Minnesota.

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对不起。

I'm sorry.

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他们一整天都在想着,也许第一轮能遇到湖人,而且卢卡可能在系列赛中途复出。

They go into the day thinking they might be able to play the Lakers in round one, with Luca maybe coming back halfway through the series.

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但结果他们

Instead they

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遇到了丹佛。

have Denver.

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最开心的球队是湖人。

The happiest team is the Lakers.

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湖人现在是不是更开心了?

Lakers now add they that happy?

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是的。

Yeah.

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他们可能会遇到那个奇怪的休斯顿队,那支球队最喜欢在还剩四分钟时领先八分,然后把比赛搞砸。

They're probably They get pretty to play that weird Houston team, who loves nothing more than being up eight with four minutes left and then blowing the game.

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我不知道,但在这几支球队中,他们对明尼苏达没有真正的胜算,对丹佛也没有机会,对休斯顿同样毫无胜算。

I don't know, think out of all those teams, they didn't have a real chance against Minnesota, didn't have a chance against Denver, didn't have a chance against Houston.

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他们可能只是勉强维持,也许三场后是二比一,也许变成二比二,也许他们已经二比三落后。

They could tread water, maybe it's two one after three, Maybe it's two two, maybe they're down three two.

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卢卡会在第六场、第七场或第五场左右复出,大概在这个范围内。

Luca comes back like game six, seven, five, somewhere in there.

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你知道,总会有一场比赛,湖人队会罚55个球之类的疯狂情况。

You know there'll be a game where the Lakers shoot 55 free throws or something crazy.

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太棒了,你已经开始埋下伏笔了。

Love it, you're planting the seeds already.

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你一点都没浪费时间。

You wasted no time.

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五分钟就

Five minutes is

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奖池。

the pot.

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肯定会有那么一场比赛,休斯顿在还剩五分钟时领先12分却突然崩盘,那些全年都没怎么看他们比赛的人会问:这是怎么回事?

Know there's gonna be a game that Houston chokes away a 12 lead with five minutes left, and the people that haven't watched been watching them all year are like, what's happening?

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为什么KD要自己带球突破全场紧逼?

Why is KD dribbling the ball up against the press?

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这支球队到底在干什么?

What is this team doing?

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我不知道。

That's I don't know.

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我已经做好了这场比赛打满七场的准备。

I'm prepared for this to go seven.

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那场比赛会让身体语言专家写一篇一万字的专栏,分析火箭队在那场比赛中到底发生了什么。

That's the game that the body language doctor is gonna write a 10,000 word column analyzing what happened to the Rockets in that game.

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你难道不能说火箭队才是最开心的球队吗?因为他们碰上了没有卢卡和里夫斯的湖人队?

Shouldn't the Rockets couldn't you argue the Rockets are the happiest team because they get the Lakers without Luca and without Reeves?

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也许卢卡会回来。

Maybe Luca comes back.

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我不知道。

I don't know.

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眼见为实。

I'll believe it when I see it.

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我们不知道他什么时候回去。

Don't We know when he's going back.

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你能说火箭队赢了十场中的九场,打得还不错吗?

Could you argue that the Rockets who have won nine out of 10 and are playing kinda well?

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是的。

Yeah.

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他们实际上是大赢家,或者俄克拉荷马城是大赢家,因为丹佛和圣安东尼奥都回到了应有的位置,他们会遇到更轻松的第二轮。

That they're actually the big winner or that Oklahoma City is the big winner because Denver and and San Antonio kinda slotted where they should, and they'll have an easier second.

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我觉得休斯顿和俄克拉荷马城也有理由这么说。

Like I think Houston and Oklahoma City have cases too.

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所以火箭队和湖人队都非常高兴能彼此对阵。

So Rockets, Lakers, both of them ecstatic to be playing each other.

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是的。

Yeah.

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没人会感到不满,因为双方都同样期待在首轮系列赛中遇到对方。

Nobody can be offended because they're equally as excited to have the other team in a round one series.

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西部另外一件确定的事是,波特兰锁定了第八名,这意味着我们将看到波特兰对阵菲尼克斯。

The other thing that got decided in the West, Portland locked down the eight seed, which means we have Portland, Phoenix.

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第82场比赛简直荒谬得可笑。

It was an almost hilarious game 82.

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国王队就像一条獴。

The Kings, they're like a mongoose.

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你不看Instagram上獴捕杀蛇的视频吗?你会想,这怎么可能发生?

I don't you watch Instagram videos of a mongoose just taking down a snake, and you're like, how did that happen?

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那是某种

Is that something

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我不明白。

I don't understand.

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你经常看 mongoose 的视频吗?我刚

Is that something you're doing regularly, watching mongoose I got

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让我稍等一下我的算法。

my algorithm for a second.

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我不得不删除它。

I had to delete it.

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他们最后16场比赛是八胜八负,正朝着

What were they, eight and eight in their last 16 heading

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这就是为什么你不能解雇道格·克里斯蒂。

into This is why you can't fire Doug Christie.

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你必须留下他。

You gotta keep him.

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这可能会成为下一个,你知道的,历史级的伟大教练。

This could be the next, know, pick an all time great coach.

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我们可能二十年后还坐在这里。

We could be sitting here twenty years from now.

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道格·克里斯蒂刚赢了他的第六百场比赛,我说过,你不能开除他。

Doug Christie just won his six hundredth game I said, you can't fire him.

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你怎么能这么做?

How could you?

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得说一句,年轻人看起来表现得更好了。

Gotta say, the young guys are looking better.

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他们还记得一个月前的道格·克里斯蒂,当时谁是那个留着马尾辫的小个子?

They remember Doug Christie like a month ago was like, who is that guy with like the ponytail, the little guy?

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哦,我们是在第一轮选中他的?

Oh, we picked him in the first round?

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也许我们应该试着让他上场打一打。

Maybe we should try to play him.

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我该

Should I

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让他上场?

play him?

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是的。

Yeah.

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我不知道,我一直在想给他们起个绰号,比如‘萨克拉门托醉酒之王’,因为他们总是醉醺醺的。

I don't know, I was thinking of nicknames for them, whether they're the Sacramento Drunk Kings, because they're just drunk at all times.

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你完全猜不到他们会怎样。

You have no idea what to expect.

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他们就像凌晨一点钟的那个醉汉,什么事都可能发生。

They're the drunk guy at one in the morning, anything's possible.

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他们说,今天比赛又赢了。

They go, like the game made it two today.

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我不知道,他们说不定能赢波特兰。

It's like, I don't know, they could beat Portland.

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那他们为什么能赢波特兰?

Well, why would they beat Portland?

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因为他们是国王。

Because they're the kings.

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你怎么能弄清楚他们在做什么?

How can you figure out anything they're doing?

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我不知道他们是醉醺醺的罗马诺还是萨克拉门托醉酒国王,不管他们是什么,反正他们一直都有三只熊在身上。

Don't know if they're drunk Romano or the Sacramento drunk kings, whatever they are, but they just had three bears in them at all times.

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我觉得一直都是这样。

I think it's just a lot all the time.

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我们已经拿塞斯·库里故意犯规开了不少玩笑,你知道,当你的防守在犯规战术的法庭上靠的是自己的无能时,那就是糟糕的时刻。

It's just, you know, like we we've already made great fun of the intentional foul on Seth Curry, and just you know it's bad times when your defense in the court of tanking law is your own incompetence.

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那只是,呃,法官大人,不。

That that's the only Your honor, no.

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我们就只是那样,是的。

We're just that Yeah.

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只是误读了情况,我们太蠢了。

Just misread the situation and we're stupid.

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他们有个球员,迪伦·卡德韦尔,

They have a guy, Dylan Cardwell,

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算是个

of kind

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一位充满活力的替补中锋,我脑子里已经叫了他130次德韦恩·科斯韦尔,实在叫得太频繁了,我觉得我就直接叫他德韦恩·科斯韦尔吧。

of feisty backup center, I have in my head called him Dwayne Coswell 130 times, and it's just too much for me, and I think I'm just gonna say that he's Dwayne Coswell.

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所以,波特兰最终顶住了萨克拉门托的攻势,现在我们迎来了一场精彩的开拓者对太阳的对决,这是第七和第八名的较量。我还没去FanDuel看盘口,但我猜太阳队应该只是略微占优。

So anyway, Portland ends up holding off Sacramento, and now we have a really good Blazers Suns game in the seven eight matchup, and I have not looked on FanDuel yet to see what the line is, but I'm gonna guess that that line is around, like the Sun's being barely favored.

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你同意这个看法吗?

Would you agree with that?

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比如太阳队让两分?

Like Sun's like minus two?

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我不是你那种赌徒,但我本来想猜太阳队让4.5分,或者类似的数据。

I'm not a betting guy like you are, but I was gonna throw out Sun's minus four and a half, or something like that.

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我觉得这场比赛会非常精彩

I think it's gonna I'm be a really fun

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我现在就去看看。

gonna find out right now.

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我看不到

I don't see a

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很多,可能还太早了。

lot It might be too soon, it might be too early.

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太早了。

Too soon.

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我们回头再看。

We'll go back.

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FanDuel 还没准备好给我们数据。

FanDuel not ready for us yet.

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也许他们还在琢磨那场奇怪的萨克拉门托比赛发生了什么。

Maybe they're still trying to figure out what happened in that weird Sacramento game.

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如果我是菲尼克斯队,我会很失望,我宁愿打快船队。

I'm bummed if I'm Phoenix, I would have much rather played the Clippers.

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我只是觉得快船队缺乏足够的身高优势。

I just don't think the Clippers have enough size.

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我觉得现在每个人都迫不及待想和快船队比赛。

I think everybody's excited to play the Clippers right now.

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如果我是金州队,周三晚上就要打他们,我肯定会特别兴奋,等不及了。

Like if I'm Golden State, which is gonna be Wednesday night, I'm so excited, can't wait to go.

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说不定这会是斯蒂芬·库里职业生涯中最后一个重要季后赛时刻。

Might be Steph Curry's last meaningful playoff moment for all we know.

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谁知道呢?

Who knows?

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我们根本不知道勇士队以后还能不能再变强。

We have no idea if the Warriors will ever be good again.

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这根本算不上什么重要的季后赛时刻,抱歉。

This is not a meaningful playoff moment, I'm sorry.

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我知道这场比赛有斯蒂芬·库里、科怀·伦纳德、德雷蒙德·格林,还有好多大牌球员。

I know it involved Steph Curry and Kawhi Leonard and Draymond Green and a bunch of big names.

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我们不能把九号和十号的比赛称为一场有意义的季后赛时刻。

We could not call the nine ten game a meaningful playoff moment.

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我禁止你这么说。

I'm banning you from doing that.

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反驳。

Counter.

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没有反驳。

No counter.

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我不接受你的反驳。

I don't accept your counter.

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反驳。

Counter.

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他们赢了九号和十号的比赛,又赢了八号和九号的比赛,现在要对阵俄克拉荷马城了。

They win the nine ten, they win the eight nine, and now they're playing OKC.

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那支球队曾带给我们斯蒂芬·库里职业生涯的首个高光时刻——双响绝杀,那一刻我们清楚地意识到,他有可能成为一代传奇。

The team that gave us the first great Steph Curry arrival moment, the double bang, when it became clear that this was somebody who had a chance to be a generational guy.

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现在我们又绕回了原点。

And now we circle all the way back.

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他们从他们那里得到了凯文·杜兰特。

They took Kevin Durant from them.

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他们将成为毫无疑问的夺冠热门。

They're gonna be, you know, prohibitive favorites.

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他们几乎不可能击败俄克拉荷马城。

They've probably no chance of beating OKC.

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但俄克拉荷马城和金州勇士队会观看每一场比赛、每一分钟,并真正享受其中。

But OKC Golden State, would watch every game, every minute, and really enjoy it.

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谁知道呢,关于斯蒂芬·库里。

And who knows with Steph Curry.

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好吧。

Okay.

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我们在那系列赛开始前一小时,就聊到了‘谁知道斯蒂芬·库里会怎样’。

We talk ourselves into a who knows with Steph Curry by an hour before that series.

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顺便说一下,他们可能会被横扫。

By the way, they'll probably get swept.

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我本来想说,这听起来像是任何转播这场比赛的电视台赛前开场白,但比赛进行到八分钟时,我们就忘了那段开场白,而俄克拉荷马城已经以26比8领先了。

I was gonna say, feel like that's a nice that's like a nice pregame intro for whatever network has that game, and then eight minutes in, we've forgotten about the pregame intro, and it's 26 to eight Oklahoma City in game one.

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路·多尔尼希正在狠狠地对付斯蒂芬·库里。

Lou Dornish just clubbing Steph Curry.

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不过,波特兰方面,我和莱格斯在周四聊了相当多关于他们的内容。

Portland though, Legs and I talked a surprising amount of them on Thursday.

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由于夏洛特不再被当作‘罪恶联盟’的传球对象,波特兰现在成了广为人知的优质‘罪恶联盟’传球球队。

They, now that Charlotte is no longer allowed as a Guilty League pass team, they just became a well known good league pass team.

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在过去几个月里,波特兰成了‘罪恶联盟’传球的愉悦之选,尤其是阿维亚回归之后。

Portland over the last couple months became the Guilty League pass pleasure team, especially when Avia came back.

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如果卢卡不具备资格,阿维亚正好处在入选NBA最佳阵容第三队的边缘。

And Avia is right on the fringe of a third team all NBA if Luca is not eligible.

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今天我询问了多位NBA消息人士。

Now I asked multiple NBA sources today.

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嘿,关于卢卡的裁决怎么看?

Hey, how about a Luca ruling?

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那会很酷。

That would be cool.

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我们这一周都在做播客,投自己的票,还得提交投票。

Like we're all doing podcasts this week, doing our votes, and we have to turn the votes in.

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你知道什么会很酷吗?

Know what'd be cool?

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知道卢卡·东契奇有没有资格,因为到现在还完全不清楚。

Knowing if Luka Doncic was eligible or not, because there's a huge, still no idea.

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我觉得他们直到常规赛最后一天才能提交上诉,而现在就是那天了。

I think they're not even allowed to file the appeal until that last day of the regular season, so that's now.

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我的意思是,我们居然得等专业律师来决定一个球员有没有资格,而我们自己却在想,天啊,这排在我MVP选票第四位,可能是杰伦·布朗,也可能是卢卡·东契奇,我真不知道。

I mean, it's just, I can't believe that we're in a situation where we have to wait for like actual litigators to figure out whether a guy is eligible or not, and we're just like, I don't know, this is fourth on my MVP ballot, could be Jaylen Brown, could be Luca Don, I don't know.

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这跟薪资帽有些关联,对吧?

Well there's some salary cap stuff tied to this, right?

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这正是你不想再投票的原因之一。

Which is one of the reasons you didn't want to vote anymore.

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但比如我把卡斯尔排在第三队,不过剧透一下,我还是会选他。

But like I have Castle on my third team on, but yeah, I'm just spoiler alert, I'm putting him on.

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我不知道,这会影响吗?我完全不清楚,这会影响他的资格吗?不会,对吧?

And I don't know, does that affect, I have no idea, does that affect like his, it doesn't, right?

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他职业生涯还太短,除非我弄错了。

He's too soon into his career, unless I'm wrong.

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那斯科蒂呢?

But what about Scottie?

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斯科蒂·巴恩斯会不会因此被挤掉?

Does Scottie Barnes, does it bump him?

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他会获得某种比例加分吗?

Does he get like a percentage thing?

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我从不看这个,也不想看,因为我不想考虑这些事。

I never see, try not to You look at this because I don't wanna think about this

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必须是在对的年份,而我认为这两位球员目前都不在他们的最佳年份。

gotta be in the right year, and I don't think either of those guys is in their in their right year so far.

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那我们看看卢卡的表现吧。

Well, we'll see with Luca.

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好的,转向东部。

All right, to the east.

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今天最精彩的比赛。

The game of the day.

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第82场比赛存在的意义,以及附加赛如此有趣的原因。

The reason game 82 exists, the reason the play in is so much fun.

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波士顿对阵奥兰多。

Boston against Orlando.

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凯尔特人是13.5分的热门球队,我刚才还在说。

Celtics were like 13 and a half point favorites, and I was telling

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所有人都支持冷门球队,我

everybody Underdogs, in my

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让球方。

underdogs.

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让球方,真狠。

Underdogs, mean.

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是的。

Yeah.

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他们至少是个有竞争力的让球方。

They were a live dog to say the least.

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如果你了解这支凯尔特人队,或者知道乔·乔·密苏拉根本不可能故意输球。

If you know anything about this Celtics team, or Joe Joe Missoula incapable of tanking.

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顺便说一下,比赛开始六小时前,你和我通过电话,你准确预测了会发生什么。

And for the record, you and I talked on the phone six hours before the game, and you predicted exactly what was gonna happen.

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你预测凯尔特人会派上全部替补,而替补们会拼尽全力,魔术队则会惊呼:天啊,我们真的在打比赛?

That the Celtics were gonna play all their backups, and the backups would play hard as shit, and the Magic would be like, oh my god, we're in a game?

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我们这是怎么了?

What's happening to us?

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德斯蒙德·班恩,也许该回来了。

Desmond Bane, maybe come back.

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你还在体育馆里吗?

Are you still in the arena?

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也许回来打一场,我们可能需要你。

Maybe come back and play, we might need you.

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如果不是上周在圣安东尼奥和丹佛打过一场,这场比赛本可以 contender 为年度最佳比赛,我们还见证了缅因州龙虾爪的重聚。

This was, if we hadn't had San Antonio Denver a weekend ago, this was in the running for game of the year, we had the reunion of the Maine Lobster Claws.

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这就是了。

This was it.

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这简直就是《缅因州龙虾爪》这部体育电影。

This was the Maine Lobster Claws sports movie.

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我们有一支由总薪资1150万美元的球员组成的凯尔特人队,对阵奥兰多,而奥兰多派出的阵容除了德斯蒙德·班恩之外全员出战,班恩只是象征性地打了上半场,他整个赛季已经打了82场比赛。

We had a Celtics team that had 11,500,000 in active players playing Orlando, who's playing everybody except Desmond Bain, who did the ceremonial, you'll play the first half, you played 82 games in a season.

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恭喜你,伙计,坐下吧,好好享受下半场。

Congrats buddy, have a seat, enjoy the second half.

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他在还剩五分钟时重返赛场,这简直是最大的羞辱。

And he's back in the game with five minutes left, which is the ultimate humiliation.

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有三位凯尔特人球员创下了职业生涯新高。

Three Celtics had career highs.

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贝亚勒·谢尔曼、罗恩·哈珀 Jr.,他本有望得到40分却受伤了,还有卢卡·加扎。

Baylor Shireman, Ron Harper Junior, who was on his way to 40 and got hurt, and then Luca Garza.

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加扎投进了凯尔特人队赛季最疯狂的三分球。

Garza hit the craziest three of the Celtics season.

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奥兰多队慢慢追回比分,将比赛扳平。

Orlando crawls back, ties the game.

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凯尔特人队几乎无法顺利发球,却意外地安排了一次两次进攻的机会。

The Celtics can barely get the ball in, but have somehow scheduled a two for one.

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这基本上就是加扎在卡特脸上直接投出一记26英尺的超远三分,球进了。

That's basically Garza just shooting a 26 footer on Carter right in his face, makes it.

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如果你在考虑投票选密苏拉为年度最佳教练,那这种夜晚就是理由。

And if you're thinking about voting Missoula for coach of the year, it's nights like this.

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这支球队从一号球员到二十号球员,每个人都全力以赴、聪明打球、表现优异,这真是了不起的成就。

This team is just from player number one to player number 20, is just wired to try really hard and play smart and do well, and it was an amazing achievement.

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我会把教练奖投给乔·马祖拉。

I would vote Joe Mazula for coach Adira.

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顺便说一句,我正考虑让主办方帮我把明年的选票退回来。

By the way, I'm thinking of asking the lead to get my ballot back next year.

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我有点坐不住了。

I'm getting itchy.

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但我还是会把马祖拉排在JB·比克斯塔夫前面,选他当教练。

But I would vote Mazula coach Adira over JB Bickerstaff.

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对我而言,他们俩会是第一和第二名。

They would be one two for me.

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我的第二个观察是,你谈到第82场比赛时表现得如此开心,我几乎感到惊讶。

And my second observation is I'm almost alarmed by how delighted you are talking about game eighty two.

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这可能是我在这档播客里见过你对凯尔特人队最兴奋的一次。

This might be the most delighted I've seen you talking about the Celtics on any of these podcasts.

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这是我最喜欢的胜利

It's my favorite win

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今年的。

of the year.

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我的意思是,你这话说得也太离谱了吧。

I mean, you're this is you're you're kidding.

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Chi Hao Tat。

Chia Hao Tat.

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哦,不,当我说到他正在成长为一名球员时,我不是说他会成为全明星,或者成为进攻核心,但至少在季后赛系列赛中,他会参与一些奇怪的场景——比如某场半节比赛会出现类似贝利·谢尔曼那样的诡异表现。

Oh, no When I say he's turning into a guy, I'm not saying like this is somebody who's going to be an all star, or be the focal point of an offense, but if we're, he has now at least moved into the, in a playoff series, there's gonna be a weird Baylor Shireman half quarter game, something weird is going to happen with him involved.

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所以,就是这样。

So there's that.

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我喜欢加尔扎,我认为加尔扎比武切维奇更适合这支球队。

I like Garza, and I think Garza is better than Vucevic for this team.

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我知道他们会花一周时间试图让武切维奇找回状态,但我喜欢加尔扎表现得非常出色这一点。

And I know they're gonna have a week to try to get Vucevic going, but I like the fact that Garza was really good.

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我依然非常喜爱罗恩·哈珀 Jr,我觉得在很多其他球队,他都能打上二十五分钟。

And I continue to love Ron Harper Jr, and I feel like on a lot of different teams he would have played twenty five minutes a game.

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所以这些都很不错,但现实是,大家都想知道,这是杰伦的球队,还是杰森的球队?

So all that stuff was good, but the reality is, everyone's like, is this Jalen's team, or is it Jason's team?

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这到底是谁的球队?

Whose team is it?

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这是密苏拉的球队。

It's Missoula's team.

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这位教练的表现,是我很久以来见过的最出色的之一。

This guy, this is one of the best coaching performances I've seen in a long time.

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你能从第一节就看出来,他就像打第七场决战一样,始终保持着那种能量,真的非常了不起。

He was, you could tell in the first quarter, he's like, was like a game seven, and he never he had that energy and was just it was really something.

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当你说到‘这是杰伦的球队,还是杰森的球队?’的时候,有那么半秒钟,

For a half a second for half a second there, when you were saying, is it Jaylen's team, is it Jason's team?

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说实话,有那么半秒钟,我以为你要说‘这是Chi Hao Tat的球队’。

The reality is, for half a second, I thought you were gonna say, it's Chia Hao Tat's team.

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我刚才那一瞬间,脑子突然短路了。

I thought for there was just like, my brain just went for half a second.

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他真的会说‘Chi Hao Tat’吗?顺便说一句,我觉得可以这么说,这家伙现在已经有能力在最高水平的季后赛中打上二十分钟了。

Is he actually gonna say Chia Hao Tat, by the way, the I think the way I would put it is that guy is now ready to be a twenty minute a game guy in the highest level of postseason games.

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不管他上场时间是半节还是其他,他已经准备好在面对最强对手时,担任重要的替补角色,在攻防两端都站得住脚。

Whether he has a half or whatever, he's ready to play real minutes, real backup bench minutes against the best teams and hold his own on both ends of the floor.

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他是个很棒的球员。

He's a good, good player.

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跟他有关的几件有趣的事。

Couple fun things with him.

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他并不总能成功打断二对一或三对一的快攻,但至少能搅乱对方的进攻节奏。

Really good at not always breaking up two on ones and three on ones, but at least kind of fucking up the play a little bit.

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而且他是个出色的篮板点拨高手,我知道这是你最欣赏的技能之一。

And an excellent rebound tapper, which I know is one of your favorite skills.

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太喜欢这种点拨了。

Love a tap.

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喜欢这种漂亮的 tapping。

Love a good tap.

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有两种不同的 tapping。

There's two different taps.

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一种是球员盲目地往后拍,我们打篮球时被教导绝对不能这么做,因为这会给对方发动快攻的机会。

There's one where the guys just blindly tap it backwards, which we were taught when we played basketball never to do that, because you're jump starting a fast break for the other team.

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另一种是聪明地把球拍给队友,或者拍到能重新抢到球的位置。

Then there's the other tappers that are like really smartly tapping it to teammates, or in areas where you can get the ball back.

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他在这方面非常擅长。

He's really good at that.

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另一方面,奥兰多。

The flip side, Orlando.

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我觉得莫利,他之前可能还没到被质疑的地步,但这次奥兰多的失利几乎算得上灾难性了。

I think Mosley, I don't think he wasn't on the hot seat before, but this is a borderline catastrophic Orlando loss.

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我的意思是,他们的排名实际上倒退了。

I mean they actually went backwards in the standings.

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他们现在必须作为客场球队打一场关键比赛。

They now have to play a playing game as the road team.

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难以置信。

Inexplicable.

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关于贝恩的事,我们稍后再谈亚特兰大,但整个问题在于,人们不够重视第82场比赛,觉得对方会轮休一些球员,但现在联盟水平太高了。

The Bane thing, and we'll talk about Atlanta in a second, but this whole thing about just not taking game 82 seriously enough because the other team's gonna rest some guys, the league's too good now.

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就像我们看到丹佛队的情况,也看到凯尔特人队的情况。

Like we saw it with Denver, we saw it with the Celtics.

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当球员面对替补阵容时,那些替补也不再是替补了,

Like when guys play scrubs, they're not scrubs anymore,

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你知道的?

you know?

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不。

No.

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我唯一想说的是,这仅仅让他们失去了对阵费城队的主场优势,而费城队很可能没有乔尔·恩比德,他们显然也明白这是最有可能发生的情况。

Only thing I would say is all it cost them, and I think they understood that it was the most likely scenario by far, All it cost them was home court in the seven eight game against a Philly team that's not gonna have Joel Embiid.

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我们别假装这让他们失去了第五或第六的排名。

I'm so let's just not, like, pretend that it cost them, like, the fifth seed or the sixth seed.

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这确实让他们付出了代价,而且确实很丢脸。

It cost them, and it's certainly embarrassing.

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班恩这件事非常不寻常,也挺丢脸的,但并没有让他们失去这些。

The Bane thing was extremely unusual and also kind of embarrassing, but it didn't cost them that.

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他们本该能在没有恩比德的情况下,客场击败费城队。

They should still be able to beat Philly with no Embiid on the road.

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如果他们做不到,赛季就此结束,那么贾马尔·莫利的帅位早就岌岌可危了。

And if they can't and their season ends, then Jamal Mosley's seat has been hot all year.

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然后就彻底炸了,我觉得。

It then erupts in flames, I think.

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这是一次灾难性的执教表现。

It was a horrific coaching job.

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作为全程观看这场比赛、并在比赛进行时与人讨论的人,我想说一点。

And I will say this as somebody who watched that entire game, and was talking to people about it as it was happening.

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难以置信他们竟然没有对一支没有控球后卫的球队施加压力。

Being in disbelief that they weren't pressuring a team that had no point guard.

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那场比赛中,凯尔特人队没有控球后卫。

The Celtics had no point guard in that game.

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他们让巴顿带球推进,还有Chi Hao Tat和Ron Harper Jr.,而奥兰多队有那么多能施压的球员,本可以设陷阱逼迫失误,但他们却任由对方轻松推进。

They had Banton dribbling the ball up, and Chia Hao Tat, and Ron Harper Junior, and Orlando has all these dudes that could pressure you, and people that can, you try to trap, just try to get some turnovers, and they're just letting them walk the ball up.

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我觉得这简直令人困惑,但最愤怒的球队可能是亚特兰大,因为他们自己也得照镜子反省——他们决定不在乎第82场比赛,结果现在不得不面对尼克斯,而不是骑士。

I thought I was incredibly confusing, but the team that was probably the most furious was, you know, Atlanta, who can also look at themselves in the mirror because they decided not to care about game 82, and now they have to play the Knicks they of say the Cavs.

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他们选择摆烂,而不是赢下骑士,但我的问题是……

Tanked Instead of the Cavs, but here's my question.

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但现在他们第一轮要打尼克斯,第二轮可能面对凯尔特人,我猜这肯定不是他们想看到的局面。

But now they have to go Knicks round one, Celtics round two potentially, which I'm gonna guess wouldn't be ideal.

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我的问题是,老鹰队真的对此无动于衷吗?

My question for you is, it seems like the Hawks were cool with that?

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我觉得他们确实对此无所谓。

I think they were cool with that.

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我认为,把他们的赛季简单对应到第二轮其实忽略了重点。

I think even mapping it to round two kind of misses the point of what their season is.

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对他们来说,第二轮简直就是额外的收获,当然,能遇到一个更轻松的第二轮也不错。

If anything in round two for them is gravy, and sure, it would be nice to get an easier round two.

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我认为他们根本不在乎是尼克斯还是骑士。

I don't think they cared, Knicks versus Cavs.

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他们对阵过这两支球队,毕竟在赛季最后一周,他们对这两队都打出了不错的表现。

They've played both I mean, they've had good games against both of them in in the last week of the season.

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他们虽然输给了这两队,但比赛打得都很精彩。

They lost to both, but good games.

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而且我认为他们可能错误地以为奥兰多会赢,那样就会形成三队并列,而他们能凭借优势保住第五顺位,但奥兰多搞砸了自己的计划。

And I think they also probably wrongly assumed that Orlando would win, which would create a three way tie that they would then win and keep the fifth seed, and Orlando messed up Orlando's plans.

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这打乱了费城的行程安排。

It messed up Philly's travel plans.

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费城得以取消一些行程,而亚特兰大的部分计划也被打乱了。

Philly got to cancel some travel plans, and it messed up part of Atlanta's plans.

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最后,我觉得他们根本不在乎。

In the end, I just don't think they really care.

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是的。

Yeah.

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我看了他们周一打尼克斯的比赛,也看了他们周三打骑士的比赛。

Well, I watched them play the Knicks on Monday, and I watched them play the Cavs on Wednesday.

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我看了那场的下半场,但周一那场我全程观看了。

I saw the second half of that one, I watched the full Monday game.

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亚历山大·沃克对阵尼克斯时表现非常出色。

And Alexander Walker was great against the Knicks.

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我的意思是,这可能是他本赛季表现最好的比赛之一。

I mean he probably had one of his best games of the season.

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最后尼克斯赢了比赛。

Knicks end up winning at the end.

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布伦森关键时候做了几次出色的表现。

Brunson made some plays.

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那就是麦卡勒姆投出那个超远半场投篮但不算的时刻,差一点就……

That's the game McCollum makes the crazy half court shot that doesn't count by like

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不算数。

Doesn't count.

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差一根指甲的距离。

A fingernail.

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老鹰队对阵尼克斯时表现得非常从容。

The Hawks looked really comfortable against the Knicks.

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如果我是尼克斯,我简直要气疯了。

And if I'm the Knicks, I'm fucking bummed.

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我宁愿对上多伦多,也不愿对上亚特兰大。

I would have so much rather played Toronto than Atlanta.

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亚特兰大有能盯防布伦森的球员。

Atlanta has dudes to throw on Brunson.

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布伦森不管怎样都会得分、做各种事情,但他们可以派丹尼尔斯去防他,派亚历山大·沃克去防他。

Brunson's gonna get his points and do all this stuff anyway, but they could throw Daniels at him and Alexander Walker at him.

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这可不是小事,对吧?

That's not nothing, right?

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如果你想要体型更大的阵容,他们甚至可以让杰伦·乔斯勒去防守他。

They could even put Jalen Jostle on him if you want to go big.

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这对他们来说是个奇怪的对位,因为他们的球队本来是为限制对手的顶级侧翼而建的,但老鹰队却是一群奇怪的后卫组合。

It's just a weird matchup for them because their team's kind of built to stop the other team's awesome wings, but the Hawks have like just weird guard stuff.

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他们能一波一波地得分,如果你看看我之前记下的数据。

They get points in bunches, and if you look at like what the last I had this written down.

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在过去31场比赛中,两队都是21胜10负,排名评分也紧挨着。

Last 31 games, both teams are twenty one and ten, and they're right next to each other in ratings.

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所以,在赛季40%的时间里,他们的表现基本是并驾齐驱的。

So for 40% of the season, they've basically been right next to each other.

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我不知道,我原本以为老鹰对骑士会打满七场。

I don't know, I thought Atlanta Cavs would go seven.

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我觉得这场系列赛会打六到七场。

I would say six or seven for this.

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这就像是还没开始任何复习,但这次至少让我觉得会是一轮更长的系列赛。

It's just like not having done any of the studying yet, but this just at least feels like a longer series to me.

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你觉得呢?

What do you think?

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是的,我迫不及待想在接下来几天好好研究这些比赛录像了。

Yeah, I can't wait to dig into this film and everything over the next couple days.

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但确实,我觉得这不会是一轮很快结束的系列赛。

But yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a quick series.

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亚特兰大的上限比多伦多高得多。

Atlanta's ceiling is just higher than Toronto's.

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多伦多能保持在一个还不错的水平,因为他们的防守一向很稳定。

Like, Toronto can along at an okay level because their defense is always pretty steady.

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但他们无法达到亚特兰大那样的高度,因为他们的进攻实在太有限了。

They just can't hit the heights that Atlanta can hit because their offense is just pretty is pretty limited.

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关于布伦森,你提到的这点确实值得观察。

To your point about Brunson, it'll be interesting to see.

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我要回去看看在季后赛系列赛中,多伦多会派谁去防守布伦森。

I I'm gonna go back and watch who who, you know, who they would have put who Toronto would have put on Brunson in a playoff series.

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他们能派斯科蒂·巴恩斯去防他吗?

Whether they can you put Scottie Barnes on him?

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你需要换人吗?

Do you need cap?

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但这些事情我们现在都不在乎了。

But these are things that we don't care about anymore.

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尼克斯队在常规赛中完胜多伦多。

And the Knicks dominated Toronto in the regular season.

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所以我相信尼克斯队更希望遇到这个对手。

So I'm sure the Knicks would have rather had that matchup.

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这对他们来说是个轻松的对决。

It's a comfortable one for them.

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亚特兰大就像一支全新的球队。

Atlanta is like this new team.

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以前特雷在防守端很难布置,战术其实挺直接的。

Used to be like a pretty direct as as tricky as Trey was to game plan against on defense, it was a pretty direct game plan.

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特雷在这一端冲过来,而在另一端,我们可以把整个进攻都集中在特雷身上。

Like, Trey's coming at me on one end, and on the other hand, we can direct our entire offense to wherever Trey is.

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但现在他们是一支很难捉摸、很难制定对策、很难对付的球队。

And now it's they're just a hard team to grasp and plan for, and and a tricky team to play against.

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问题是他们缺一个替补球员,今晚看波特兰的比赛挺有意思,因为克雷奇在为波特兰打球,他们之前为了税务原因把他交易走了。

The problem is they're like a bench guy short, and it was funny watching Portland tonight, because Krechie was playing for Portland, who they gave away, I guess for tax reasons.

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但我记得有一场比赛,我觉得是对阵尼克斯那场,他们的替补总共才得了8分。

But I think that one of the games, I think it was the Knicks game, they got eight points total from their bench.

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他们根本得不到任何得分。

They just got like nothing.

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库明加的表现会起伏不定。

And Kuminga is gonna be, you know, Kuminga is gonna be hit or miss.

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他可能一场拿21分,下一场却只拿2分。

He'll have 21 game, might have two the next game.

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多伦多,正如你所说,克利夫兰今天一定也是最开心的球队之一,因为我觉得克利夫兰对亚特兰大会是一场血战。

Toronto, to your point, and this is Cleveland had to be another one of the happiest teams today, because Cleveland, I think Cleveland Atlanta would have been a kind of a bloodbath.

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多伦多在赛季后75%的时间里战绩是500胜。

Toronto went 500 for the last 75% of the season.

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他们开局是14胜5负。

They started out fourteen and five.

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但他们对阵每个联盟的前三名球队时,战绩是2胜16负。

They went two and sixteen against the top three seeds in each conference.

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他们被凯尔特人横扫,也被尼克斯横扫。

They got swept by the Celtics, they got swept by the Knicks.

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所以关于上限的问题,是的,他们因为奥兰多的情况最终排在第五,但我真的觉得第五、第六、第七、第八、第九名之间没什么区别。

So to your point on the ceiling, yeah, they finished with the five seed because of what happened with Orlando, but I just don't feel like there was any difference five, six, seven, eight, nine.

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就连迈阿密也一样,这些球队在状态好的夜晚都可能表现得很出色,你知道的?

Even you go all the way to Miami, like, just All those teams could look good on the right night, you know?

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在所有这些球队中,我觉得我最看好亚特兰大。

And out of all of those teams, I think my favorite's probably Atlanta.

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如果你从第五名看到第十名,我认为亚特兰大在赛季末打得最好。

If you go from five through 10, I think I thought Atlanta was playing the best at the end of the year.

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是的,夏洛特没有崩盘,但他们在最近十场比赛中稍微回落了一些。

Yeah, Charlotte has not stumbled, but they've kind of come back to earth a little bit in the last 10 games.

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最终排名第九,这很不错。

Ended up ninth, which is great.

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无论如何,这对他们来说都是一个很棒的赛季。

It's a great it's a great season for them anyway.

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当然,他们仍然有机会进入季后赛。

Certainly, they can still get into the playoffs.

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亚特兰大一直是表现最出色的球队。

Atlanta has been the highest level team.

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在多伦多,这全年都是一个热议话题。

In Toronto, this has been a huge talking point in Toronto all year.

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他们赢不了强队。

They can't beat good teams.

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他们在主场表现不够好。

They haven't been good enough at home.

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他们在客场实际上表现得还不错。

They've actually been decent on the road.

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这是一支很奇怪的球队,只要状态不对,进攻就会显得笨拙卡顿,是的。

Just a weird team whose offense on the wrong night just looks clunky and gummed up, and Yeah.

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我们看看他们对阵骑士队的表现如何。

We'll see how they do against the Cavs.

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这支球队拥有不错的替补阵容,这在常规赛中可能非常关键,但在季后赛中,我不确定是否真的那么重要。

It's a team that has a good bench, which can go a long way over the course of a regular season, but in the playoffs, I don't know if it necessarily matters that much.

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亚特兰大和骑士队,等等,你知道吗?

Atlanta and the Cavs, what Which Actually, you know what?

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我们先休息一下,我想听听你第一眼感觉哪支球队最让人沮丧,我们稍后回来回答这个问题。

Let's take a break, because I wanna find out from you which one just first glance is feeling the most upsetty to you, but we're gonna take a break, come back and answer that.

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家庭度假很棒。

Family vacations are great.

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我有史以来最喜爱的家庭度假。

My, favorite family vacation ever.

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我去伦敦报道2012年奥运会时,带上了我的家人。

I went to cover the twenty twelve Olympics in London and I brought my family.

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我儿子当时五岁。

My son was five.

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我女儿当时七岁。

My daughter was seven.

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我们在伦敦待了三周,又去了巴黎待了一周,简直太棒了。

And we were in London for three weeks and we went to Paris for another week and it was just awesome.

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我们的孩子正处于适合旅行的年龄。

Our kids were the right age to travel.

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这是我有史以来最棒的家庭度假,但我们也经历过很多这样的旅行:大家一开始都很兴奋,可一到规划阶段就出问题了。

That's my number one family vacation I've ever had, but we've had plenty of those trips where everyone's excited, but you hit the planning part.

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突然间,感觉事情太多,像拼图一样乱七八糟。

Suddenly it feels like there's too many movie pieces.

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你开始自己打退堂鼓。

You start talking yourself out of it.

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找不到合适的航班。

Can't find the right flight.

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找不到合适的酒店。

Can't find the right hotel.

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这就是为什么Expedia完全改变了游戏规则。

That's why Expedia is a total game changer.

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航班、酒店、度假租赁、租车、活动,所有内容都集中在一个地方,让整个过程变得简单多了。

Flights, hotels, vacation rentals, cars, activities, everything's in one spot, which makes the whole process way easier.

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捆绑优惠功能非常给力。

And the bundle and save feature is huge.

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捆绑得越多,省得就越多,因为你现在就可以预订所需的服务。

The more you bundle, the more you can save because you can book what you need now.

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之后再添加更多内容,途中继续省钱,今天订航班,明天再订酒店,依然没问题。

Add more later, keep saving on the way, book your flight today, attach your hotel tomorrow, and you're still good.

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所以,如果你在计划下一次家庭度假,就把航班、租车、酒店和度假屋一起打包预订,还能省钱。

So if you're thinking about your next family getaway, bundle your flights, cars, hotels, vacation rentals, and save.

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节省金额因人而异,仅限会员。

Savings vary, members only.

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今天就通过Expedia预订你的下一次旅行吧。

Book your next trip with Expedia today.

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好了,现在来玩个游戏。

Alright, playing games.

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我们马上来聊聊这场意外对话。

We're gonna do the upset conversation in a second.

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费城对奥兰多是其中一场比赛。

Philly Orlando is one of the games.

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那是周二晚上,没有恩比德,莫斯利坐在风口浪尖上。

That's Tuesday night, no Embiid, Mosley in the hot seat.

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奥兰多把所有这些东西交易给了德斯蒙德·贝恩,然后又赢了四场比赛,但我认为他们的球迷对这个赛季的表现并不兴奋。

Orlando trades all that stuff for Desmond Bain, and wins four more games, and I don't think their fans are doing backflips about how the season went.

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你觉得,如果你是底特律队,你会在费城、夏洛特、迈阿密之间偏好跟哪支队伍打比赛吗?

Do you think, if you're Detroit, do you think Detroit has a preference out of Philly Detroit, Charlotte, Miami for who they wanna play?

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还是你觉得他们觉得对这些队伍都有胜算?

Or do you think they just feel like they're good against all those teams?

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是的。

Yeah.

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我觉得如果你问底特律队,他们会说:兄弟,我们赢了60场球呢。

I think if you ask Detroit, they would say, dude, we won 60 games or whatever.

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我们硬得要命。

We're tough as shit.

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我们防守很强。

We play defense.

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我们篮板也抢得好。

We rebound.

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我们肯定会把这帮队伍打得落花流水。

Like, we're gonna beat the hell out of all these teams.

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我们不怕他们中的任何一个。

We're not afraid of any of them.

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现实地说,你可能会说夏洛特是那个他们长期表现出极高竞技水平、一直与我们竞争的球队,尽管我们在那场混战中赢了他们,因为他们无法应对我们的身高和身体对抗。

Realistically, I think you would have to say Charlotte would be the one that you would say they have they've demonstrated a very high level of play for a very long time, been competitive against us, although we beat them in the brawl game because they could not handle our size and our physicality.

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这正是引发戴巴特、杜林和斯图尔特那场混战的原因。

That's what kind of triggered the whole Diabate, Durin, Stewart brawl.

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所以我认为他们其实并没有特别的偏好。

So I don't think they'd they'd really have a preference.

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但如果你告诉我,我可以在完全健康的夏洛特、没有恩比德的费城、奥兰多这支半残的球队,以及过去20场比赛状态低迷的迈阿密之间做选择的话。

But if you're telling me I get to choose between like fully healthy Charlotte, Philly without Embiid, Orlando like a half broken team, Miami kinda just like stumbling around for the last 20 games.

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我至少不会选夏洛特,但我打赌他们根本不在乎,也不该在乎。

I'd at least want not Charlotte, but I bet they don't care, and they shouldn't.

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他们是头号种子。

They're the number one seed.

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是的。

Yeah.

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我也会选夏洛特,但我看了周五那场比赛,活塞队在那场比赛中完全压制了他们。

I would say Charlotte as well, except I watched that game Friday, and the Pistons really big boyed them in that game.

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这种情况对夏洛特来说并不罕见,你知道,他们一直是个令人惊叹的故事,尤其是考虑到他们开局只有4胜14负,或者类似的成绩,但他们身材偏小,那些强硬的球队似乎特别喜欢挑战他们。

Which has happened to Charlotte, you know, the more And they've been an amazing story, especially when you think they started four and fourteen, or whatever it was, but they're a little small, and the bully teams seemed to really enjoy going against them.

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我开始怀疑底特律会不会是他们的一个糟糕对手。

And I'm starting to wonder if Detroit would just be a bad matchup for them.

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我可能低估了底特律的实力。

I might've been too low in Detroit.

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尤其是我们之前评估过季后赛球队最可怕的上限表现。

Especially like we did our scariest play out, like scariest ceiling of a playoff team.

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我对底特律的看法,和几周前有点不一样了。

I feel a little differently about Detroit than I did a couple weeks ago.

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他们在面对凯德伤缺的情况下挺过来的表现非常出色,而且我认为每个人现在都正确地聚焦在他们的外线投射上,他们是否足够?

Way they weathered the Cade injury was tremendous, and they're just, I think everyone is focused rightfully so on the outside shooting, and do they have enough?

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他们是否有足够的二次创造能力?

Do they have enough secondary creation?

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所有这些。

All that.

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詹金斯可能至少在一定程度上回答了这个问题:除了凯德之外,还有谁能靠运球为我们创造进攻?

Jenkins has potentially answered at least a bit of, like, the can anyone but Cade create some offense for us off the dribble.

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我们会看看他在季后赛中表现如何。

We'll see how he holds up in the playoffs.

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但他们仅仅依靠强硬的拼劲、体型、篮板和全方位的防守就足以取胜。

But they just get by with just cutting toughness, size, rebounding, and their defense is legit top to bottom.

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他们真的非常出色。

They're they're really good.

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就像你提到的,我们当初把他们排在最令人畏惧的季后赛球队之列,他们的进攻可能永远达不到令人畏惧的水平,但在短系列赛中,你根本赢不了他们。

And like, they they to your point about where we had them in the scariest draft, like their offense may never reach scary levels, but you're just not gonna beat them in a short series.

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即使他们输给了波士顿或尼克斯,也会是一场漫长而艰苦的系列赛,我认为这反而更有利于他们,因为他们比许多其他球队更高大、更凶悍、更坚韧,能把你拖垮。

Like, even if they lose to Boston or lose to the Knicks, it's gonna be like a long, nasty series, and that tends I think that just favors them because they're just bigger and meaner and tougher than a lot of these other teams, and they wear you down.

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我认为他们身上还发生了另一件事。

I think one other thing happened with them.

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我周五晚上一直在想这件事,因为我真的以为夏洛特队会在周五晚上出现。

I was thinking about it Friday night, because I really thought Charlotte was gonna show up Friday night.

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我没下注,但我就是觉得,刚打完一场硬仗,又在夏洛特主场,这对黄蜂队来说是个不错的考验。

And I didn't bet on it, but I just felt like, you know, coming off the fight, it's in Charlotte, this would be a nice little test for the Hornets.

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他们打得很有动力,但底特律队彻底压制了他们。

Like they're playing for stuff, and Detroit really big boyed them.

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我想最近一个月左右,这种情况更像足球而不是篮球——在足球里,总有一支队伍觉得自己不被看好,尤其是在季后赛临近时,他们会因为觉得没人尊重自己而憋着一股劲。

I wonder like in the last month or so, because this happens in This is more of a football thing than a basketball thing, but in football, there's always the nobody believes in us team, especially when we get toward the playoffs, and there's this team that gets a chip on their shoulder because they feel like they're not being respected.

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篮球的话,

Basketball,

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这有点

it's a

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更难,因为我觉得大部分情况下,如果你打得烂,季后赛大概率还是打得烂;如果常规赛表现极不稳定,那季后赛也很难翻身。过去十年里,真正能玩转‘没人看好我们’这种心态的,大概只有迈阿密热火队,他们带着被轻视的怒火,突然就开窍了。

little tougher, because I think for the most part, it's really tough to If you play like shit, you're probably gonna play like shit in the playoffs, and if you're really erratic in the regular season, you're probably gonna be Miami's really the only team that's been able to pull off the nobody believes in us thing over the last ten years, and a real chip on their shoulder, and a switch.

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我觉得现在底特律队就有这种气质。

I think Detroit has that now.

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我觉得他们看起来就是很生气。

I think they're they just seem pissed off to me.

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我不知道你有没有读过或听过关于夏洛特那场比赛的任何报道,但杜兰根本不想做任何赛后互动,比如握手。

Like I don't know if you read or heard any of the stuff from the Charlotte game, but like Durin didn't wanna do any sort of post game anything like handshakes.

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比赛一结束,他们就直接离开了球场。

The game ended and like we're off the floor.

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他们还在为之前打架的事生气。

Like they were still mad about the fight stuff.

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我喜欢这样。

I like that.

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所以我很好奇,当凯德下场后,大家都说:‘活塞完了,凯德不在了。’

So I wondered like then Cade goes out, and everybody's like, well Detroit's done, Cade's out.

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他们不会再拿到头号种子了。

They're not gonna They're gonna lose the number one seed.

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但他们并没有。

They didn't.

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我只是觉得,我一直在仔细阅读关于他们的各种信息,感觉他们现在身上多了一种锐气,而这种锐气在赛季初我并不确定是否存在。

I just think there's I've been reading between the lines, reading stuff on them, and I think they there's an edge to them now that I'm not sure they had at the start of the season.

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是的。

Yeah.

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我的意思是,他们是那种‘没人看好我们’的球队,这很讽刺,因为他们可是头号种子。

I mean, they are the nobody believes in us team, which is ironic because they're the number one seed.

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我觉得JJ·雷迪克当初试图把湖人队推向这种心态,当时他说:‘每个人都想和我们打。’

I felt like JJ Reddick tried to nudge the Lakers into that when he was like, everybody's everybody wants to play us.

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就像,没错,老兄。

It's like, yeah, man.

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没有卢卡和里弗斯,你大概能理解为什么会有这种看法。

With no Luka and Reeves, you can probably you can probably get why that is.

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你不能说自己是‘没人看好我们’的球队,但底特律确实有道理。

You don't get to be the nobody believes in us team, but Detroit Detroit has a point.

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他们确实有道理。

They have a point.

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人们觉得他们年轻,投篮不准,诸如此类。

People think they're young, shooting challenged, all that.

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凯德受伤了。

Cade got hurt.

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我以为他们稳拿头号种子。

I thought they were safe for the number one seed.

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我根本没想到他们会输掉这场比赛。

I didn't think they were gonna lose that at all.

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但他们确实有道理,我非常期待在季后赛中看他们比赛。

But they they have a point, and I I'm very excited to watch them in the playoffs.

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如果他们在第一轮顺利晋级,然后在第二轮对克利夫兰或其他球队火力全开,那一定会非常精彩。

I if they roll in the first round and and come, like, guns blazing in the second round for Cleveland or whatever, that's gonna be a lot of fun.

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他们在主场有一群出色的球迷。

They have a great crowd at home.

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他们会拥有主场优势。

They're gonna have home court.

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他们在全明星赛前没有的东西,现在通过詹金斯得到了,他们已经把詹金斯变成了真正的资产。

They got something with Jenkins that they didn't have before the all star break, where they've turned Jenkins now into a real asset.

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你知道的,那些凯德的上场时间。

You know, those Cade minutes.

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凯德,他们在进入季后赛前还得打几场比赛,所以他不是刚一上场就表现不错。

Cade, they got to play a couple games here heading into the playoffs, so he's not just coming in Looked good.

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平淡无奇。

Flat.

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不过我得说一下,我想提一下这一点。

I will say though, this is I wanna mention this.

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你知道的,我是职业体育的非官方总管。

As you know, I'm the unofficial czar of professional sports.

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我认为这又是另一个支持每个联盟头号种子主场打五场比赛的好例子。

I think this is another great case for the one seat in each conference, it should be five games at home.

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两场,两场,三场。

Two, two, three.

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因为对于底特律来说,假设费城输给了奥兰多,那么他们在第一轮就得对阵费城,但也许恩比德能复出。

Because for Detroit, so let's say Philly loses to Orlando, and now they have to play Philly in round one, but maybe Embiid can come back.

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我想知道,如果要从费城、奥兰多、夏洛特、迈阿密中选一个,他们会想选谁。

Like, I'd I'd wonder who they would wanna pick out of the Philly, Orlando, Charlotte, Miami.

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或者如果夏洛特最终成为第八种子,他们会想:‘糟了。’

Or what if Charlotte ends up being the eight seed, and they're like, fuck.

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而波士顿则对上费城,奥兰多则被淘汰了。

And Boston gets Philly, and Orlando's out.

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总觉得作为头号种子应该有一些我们目前没有的优势。

It just feels like there should be some advantage toward being first that I don't think we have.

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你这是对牛弹琴。

You're preaching to the preacher.

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我认为头号种子应该有权选择自己的对手。

I think the number one seed, you get to pick its own opponent.

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我觉得第一轮采用五场三胜制、主场优势在第二场和第三场的安排,我挺满意的。

I think I'm fine with the five two home court thing in the first round.

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如果你在一个球队通常不会打满82场比赛的时代,依然打满了整个赛季,并且以相当明显的优势位居东部第一,比如底特律队,那你理应得到比现在更大的奖励。

If you play the whole 82 game season in an era where teams are not really playing the whole 82 game season for good reasons, for bad reasons, and you come out number one, and in Detroit's case, one by a pretty healthy margin in the East, you should get a bigger reward than you get.

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顺便说一句,底特律队在赛季末的每场比赛都派出了主力球员。

And by way, Detroit played its guys every game down the stretch.

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他们本不必这么做。

They didn't have to do that.

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他们这么做是因为我认为他们以保持节奏、维持最佳体能状态为荣,他们希望以全力以赴的姿态进入季后赛,不留任何遗憾。

They did it because I think they pride themselves on we wanna stay in rhythm, we wanna stay in peak physicality, and we wanna deliver, like we wanna go in the playoffs feeling like we didn't leave anything on the table, and we're going in like full blast.

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这真的很有趣。

I it was fun.

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你知道吗,我很好奇,到了赛季末,联盟是否应该颁一个奖,比如‘亚当·席尔瓦奖’,奖励那些每一周都认真对待比赛的球队——我只是为你们感到骄傲。

You know, I wonder at the end of the year if a team should get a trophy from like the Adam Silver trophy or something for just like, I'm just proud of you guys that you gave a shit for every week.

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谢谢。

Thank you.

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感谢你们为联盟树立了应该如何运作的榜样。

Thank you for being a role model of how the league should work.

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你们整个赛季都真的非常投入。

You guys really cared the entire time.

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这是他们应该获得二二三的另一个原因。

Here's another reason why they should get a two two three.

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现在的赛制实际上对波士顿更有利,因为第七第八名的比赛结束后,波士顿就能从那时起知道他们的对手是谁,对吧?

It's actually better for Boston the way the setup is now because the seven eight game happens, and Boston's gonna know from that point on who their opponent's gonna be, right?

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他们有四天时间。

They have four days.

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但如果你是底特律队,现在就得等到第八第九名的比赛结果。

But if you're Detroit, now you have to wait for the eight nine.

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比如,可能是夏洛特对奥兰多争夺第八第九名,而你要等到周五晚上才知道结果,对吧?

Like it could be like, let's say Charlotte versus Orlando for the eight nine, and you're not gonna know until, when's the game, Friday night?

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差不多就是这样。

Something like that.

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然后我们

And then we

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周日进行。

go on Sunday.

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所以,号称拥有巨大优势的一号种子,在周五早上还不知道要对阵谁,还得同时考察两支球队。

So you have the number one seed, allegedly with a huge advantage, not knowing who they're gonna play on a Friday morning, having to scout two teams.

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我觉得这太荒谬了。

It seems stupid to me.

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菲尼克斯和波特兰是另外一组七号和八号种子,正如我们之前所说,我真的认为波特兰有可能赢下这场比赛。

Phoenix, Portland is the other seven eight, and as we said before, genuinely think Portland could win this.

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顺便说一下,我的会计师半小时前刚打来电话,问我有没有看到他在上半场的那个突破,他直接冲向篮筐,简直像德里克·罗斯。

Scoot Stock, by the way, my accountant just called like a half hour ago, asked if I saw the crossover in the first half when he just went right to the rim and looked like Derrick Rose.

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我说我看到了。

I said I did.

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但斯库特表现得依然很不错。

But Scoot again looked pretty good.

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阿维迪亚表现得非常好。

Avdia looks great.

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这支球队氛围不错。

The team has a nice vibe.

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我的意思是,如果他们能拿到第七种子,然后对阵圣安东尼奥,那也不是小事。

Not like, you know, if they are able to win the seven seed, and put them against San Antonio, it's not nothing.

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我不觉得他们会赢。

I don't think they'd win.

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我的意思是,如果我是圣安东尼奥,我会想,好吧,这真够糟的。

I mean if I'm San Antonio, I'm like, all right, this kind of sucks.

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我还以为我们会打菲尼克斯呢。

I thought we were gonna play Phoenix.

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有哪支球队是让人乐意面对的吗?

Is either a team that pleasant to play against?

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我的意思是,这简直就是两支进攻平庸、防守强硬的球队之间的硬仗,失误多,犯规也多。

I mean, that's kind of a rock fight between two mediocre offenses and tough physical defenses, lots of turnovers, lots of fouls.

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圣安东尼奥本不该在乎这些,理应在季后赛中轻松淘汰其中任何一支球队。

San Antonio is above should be above caring about this and should wipe out either of those teams in a playoff series.

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但波特兰队很有活力。

But Portland's frisky.

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这些年来我也一直持有不少Scoot的股票,只是没有你多。

I've also held on to some scoot stock over the years, not as much as you.

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所以我看到这一点很高兴。

So I've been happy to see that.

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我会在播客里预测所有比赛,无论是明天、周四还是剩下的任何时间,只要还有比赛我就都预测。

And I'll I'll pick all the play in team all the play in games on my pod either tomorrow or Thursday or whenever, whatever's left.

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我会选他们,因为单场押注很愚蠢,但也很有趣。

I'll pick them, and I because it's folly to pick one game, but it's also fun.

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我非常可能会选波特兰队赢下他们在菲尼克斯的那场比赛。

I very well might pick Portland to win that game in Phoenix.

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我有个FanDuel的盘口。

I have a FanDuel line.

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你说得对,太阳队让4.5分。

You were correct, Sun's four and a half.

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你说你不是赌徒,只是在精准地选盘口。

Claim you're not a gambling guy, and you're just picking lines exactly.

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看看我。

Look at me.

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波特兰的盘口是+152。

Portland is plus one fifty two.

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我不懂这是什么意思。

I don't know what that means.

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我喜欢这个盘口。

I like it.

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这意味着如果你押100美元赌他们赢,他们赢了你就能赚152美元。

That means if you bet a $100 on them, you'd win 152 if they win.

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好的。

Okay.

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然后是魔术对76人,76人是主队让1分,快船对勇士,快船让3.5分。

So, and then the Magic Sixers, Sixers are one point favorites, and then the Clippers are minus three and a half against the Warriors.

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魔术队和76人队的比赛可能是我见过的最不令人兴奋的附加赛,除了涉及芝加哥公牛队的比赛之外。

Magic Sixers may be the play in game I'm least excited about in the history of the play in that doesn't involve the Chicago Bulls.

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有意思。

Interesting.

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我们以前不是有过一场亚特兰大对夏洛特的附加赛吗?

Didn't we have an Atlanta Charlotte play in game at one point?

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我觉得那场更糟。

I feel like that was worse.

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但任何涉及这两支球队的比赛都会充满怪异的进攻,可能有人会得到145分,拉梅洛会投一些疯狂的投篮。

But any game involving those two teams is just gonna be, there's gonna be goofy offense, somebody might score one forty five, LaMelo will take some crazy shots.

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这些比赛总是充满乐趣。

There's always fun stuff going on in those games.

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第九名和第十名的夏洛特对迈阿密,这其实是我们的最糟糕的对决之一。

Well, the nine ten Charlotte Miami, which is really the, one of the worst rivalries we have.

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那会是一场有趣的比赛。

That would be a fun thing.

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前五差劲的宿敌,夏洛特对迈阿密。

Top five worst rivalries, Charlotte Miami.

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你觉得他们打过多少次季后赛系列赛?

How many times do you think they played in the playoff series?

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他们同属一个分区。

They're in the same division.

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我的意思是,他们只打过一次,那是一轮七场极其糟糕的系列赛,很久以前的事了。

I mean they played once, it was a seven game ugly, ugly series back in the day.

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他们打了三次。

They played three times.

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2001年,夏洛特以三比零获胜。

2001, Charlotte won three nothing.

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2014年,迈阿密横扫,那是勒布朗的最后一个赛季;然后是2016年, aforementioned 那场惨烈的四比三大战,迈阿密赢了。

2014, Miami sweep, LeBron's last year, and then 2016, the aforementioned ugly four to three battle that Miami won.

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我觉得那场是

I think that was

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没人赢,只是有人输了。

Nobody won, somebody just lost.

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我觉得史蒂文·杰克逊还在夏洛特吗?

I'm gonna say, Steven Jackson's still there in Charlotte?

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不在。

No.

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还有谁在夏洛特?

Who was there in Charlotte too?

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阿尔·杰弗森?

Al Jefferson?

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我想说的是,大阿尔和肯巴都在那儿。

Think big Al Kemba's there.

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杰拉德·亨德森可能也参与其中。

Gerald Henderson's probably involved.

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还有豪

There's How a

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Zealer 确实说这是

zealer does say that this was

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Zealer 的兄弟?

A zealer brother?

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以前。

Ago.

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我对这个系列没什么印象,只记得打了七场。

I don't remember anything about this series other than it was seven.

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我有个想法。

I had an idea for this.

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赢家是夏洛特对迈阿密,胜者晋级到八强或九强。

Winner Charlotte Miami, winner advances to the eight nine.

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输家得把特里·罗齐尔收回去。

Loser has to take Terry Rozier back.

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就这样。

That's it.

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他实际上在现场,像WWE的‘银行抢夺’那样悬挂在球馆上方。

He's actually at the game, he's hanging above the arena like the world wrestling when they do the WWE, when they do the money in the bank belt.

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特里·罗齐尔只是被吊在球馆上方的绳索上,比赛结束后再被放下来,加入其中一支球队。

Terry Rozier is just in a strap hanging over the arena, and then after the game gets lowered down and rejoins one of the two teams.

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这就是我的想法。

That's my idea.

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我不知道你是否觉得这个主意不错。

I don't know if you're into it.

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糟糕的罗齐尔。

Mean Rozier.

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罗齐尔的惩罚游戏。

The Rozier booby prize game.

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听好了,如果我们想提升比赛的关注度,这至少不是你想到的最糟的点子。

Look, if we're trying to gin up interest in the play, and it's got, it's not the worst idea you could come up with.

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这无疑是最具争议的,而且亚当·席尔瓦听到这个估计会

It's certainly the most controversial, and probably Adam Silver is gonna listen to this and be

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为什么啊?

like, why?

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他们为什么要提他的名字?

Why did they have to say his name?

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为什么?

Why?

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迈阿密两天前裁掉了他。

Miami waived him two days ago.

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我知道他根本不想参与。

I know he's not about it.

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你躲着新闻不看。

You hide from the news.

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NBA,你是躲不开新闻的。

NBA, you can't hide from the news.

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广告回来后,镜头又切回他悬挂在球场上方的画面。

We'd come back from commercial, and they cut back up to him hanging over the court again.

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那是特里·罗齐尔。

There's Terry Rozier.

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他离得知自己将在哪里效力只差一个小时了。

He's an Why hour away from finding out where he

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他在打电话吗?

is he on his phone?

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他怎么了,我

What's he I

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我不知道。

don't know.

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我以为我们已经禁用他的无线网络了。

I thought we disabled his wireless.

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快船队对阵勇士队,这才是精彩比赛的定义。

And then Clipper's Golden State is the definition of an awesome playing game.

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库里对阵科怀,2017年,我们回来了,伙计。

Steph versus Kawhi, 2017, we're back baby.

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重赛,科怀的复仇?

The rematch, Kawhi's revenge?

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不,大概不会。

No, probably not.

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你之前那么兴奋。

You were so excited.

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你给我发消息说你特别兴奋,因为要看到洛杉矶主场的斯蒂夫快船队比赛。

You texted me so excited that you were gonna get a Los Angeles home Steph Clippers game.

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真的是非常兴奋。

Legitimately excited.

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如果这是2014年,布莱克·格里芬、斯特林争议、保罗,还有年轻的勇士队崛起,那我可能会觉得,这可能是过去50年里最没意思的快船对勇士季后赛对决了——确实是最无聊的,但毕竟还是斯蒂芬·库里,还是科怀·伦纳德,他可是能入选最佳阵容二阵的球员。

If this was like 2014, Blake Griffin, The Sterling Controversy, Paul, Young Warriors rising up, and I'm like, this this might be the least exciting possible Clippers Warriors postseason matchup of the last 50 it is the least exciting bird, but it's still it's still Steph Curry, and it's still Kawhite Leonard who's gonna make second team all NBA.

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如果斯蒂芬没受伤,他本来也会在这场讨论之中。

Steph would have been right in that conversation too if he hadn't got hurt.

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你知道吗,真让人难过,因为我认识你的时候,你还是一只容易受影响的小狗。

You know, it's sad because I knew you when you were an impressionable pup.

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你当时眼睛睁得大大的,真的特别热爱篮球。

You had wide eyes, you really loved basketball.

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一想到斯蒂芬和卡哇伊在生死战中对决,你就兴奋得不得了。

Just the thought of Steph and Kawhi in a do or die game, what a delight you did to no end.

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现在你上过一些演播室节目,和德韦恩混在一起了,所以……

Now you've been on some studio shows, you're hanging out with Dwayne so

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好吧,行吧。

Okay, all right.

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现在你对斯蒂芬对卡哇伊的比赛已经无感了。

And now it's like you're good for I'm good for Steph versus Kawhi.

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猜怎么着?

Guess what?

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我跟你说啊,扎克·洛维。

I'll tell you what, Zach Lowe.

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我每天早上五点半就去热身了。

I'm showing up at like 05:30 for warm ups.

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门一开我就到。

I'm gonna get there as soon as doors open.

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我参加。

I'm in.

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我会看。

I'm watching.

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如果你五点半就到,我会期待体态医生发一条关于德里克·琼斯 Jr 赛前热身的推文。

I would and I will expect, if you are there at 05:30, I will expect at least one tweet from the body language doctor about Derek Jones Jr's pregame warm up.

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盖伊·桑托斯在热身时的击掌表现怎么样?

How's Guy Santos high five game in the warm up?

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随便给我点什么吧。

Like, just give me something.

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给我一些见解。

Give me some insight.

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我会发好几条 Instagram 动态,正在准备中。

I'm gonna do multiple IG posts, getting ready.

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我想看斯蒂芬完成全场投篮,不管他做什么。

I wanna watch Steph do the full court heave shot, whatever he does.

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关于这场比赛,我有两个问题要问。

If you're Two questions off this game really quick.

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金州勇士能两连胜吗?

Can Golden State win two in a row?

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我觉得这是有可能的,尽管他们今年表现这么差。

I think it is conceivable, as lousy as they've been this year.

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他们只需要做到就行了。

They just Of be the it is.

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在波特兰或菲尼克斯连续打两场?

In Portland or Phoenix back to back?

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我觉得他们可以。

I think they could.

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是的。

Yeah.

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当然。

Absolutely.

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如果你是克利夫兰队的管理层,你会希望当时没交易得到祖巴茨,还是依然觉得这笔交易很值?

If you're the Klipsch, do you wish you had Zubots in this game, you never made the trade, or you still love the trade?

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我觉得这笔交易很值。

Love the trade.

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物有所值,我们等着看选秀大会的结果吧。

Good value, and we'll see how the lottery unfolds.

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我觉得这也是正确的答案。

I think that's also the right answer.

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这笔交易的一部分是,他们以为得到了尼德豪泽,他当时表现得很猛,但只持续了一周半就受伤了,不过我觉得……

And part of that trade was they thought they were getting Niederhauser, who was a badass for like a week and a half, and then got hurt, but I think

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那现在你队里的这位球员,是不是也是因为这个原因?

that That's was part of the reason your guy now?

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马特·马图林最后阶段状态下滑了,他确实如此。

And Matt Mathurin slumped to the finish line He did.

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这已经影响了这笔交易的当前价值,也影响了他休赛期的市场价值。

Has hurt both that trade for now, and also his value in the off season.

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如果报价高到快艇队觉得不值得,倒是很有趣看看他们是否会重新签下他。

It'd be interesting to see if the Clippers even re sign him, if the number gets to a point where they are not comfortable with it.

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我的意思是,这取决于勒布朗换队时想要什么。

I mean, depends on what LeBron is gonna want when he switches teams.

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好的。

Okay.

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明白了。

Alright.

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他们得留出多少钱?

How much money are they gonna have to have left over?

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我不是说真的觉得勒布朗有可能去快艇队?

I'm not just I'm not I mean, do really think there's a chance LeBron goes to the Clippers?

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多年来我一直听说,快艇队是绝对没戏的。

I've always been told through the years, hard no on the Clippers.

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我也这么说过。

I've said that as well.

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我只是想逗逗快船球迷,抱歉。

I'm just trying to torture the Clipper fans, sorry.

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他们已经经历够多了,天啊。

They've been through enough, my God.

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还记得我六周前跟你提过那个关于勒布朗加入勇士的理论吗?

Remember when I threw my Warriors theory at you with LeBron a I while don't know, six weeks ago.

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我越来越相信这件事真的会发生。

I'm starting to become convinced that's gonna happen.

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我觉得这就像《敢死队》。

And I think it's The Expendables.

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还记得西尔维斯特·史泰龙拍的那部动作片吗?他把所有老一辈的动作巨星都召集在一起。

Remember when Slice Stallone did the action movie when he got all the older action heroes back together?

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当时是这样的

It was like

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我从来没看过。

Never saw it.

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有点像一群老将组成的全明星队伍,多尔夫·伦德格伦就是其中之一,还有其他人。

Kind of an all star team of older Dolph Lundgren was a bunch of people.

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我真的很相信事情会这样发展。

I'm really convinced that that's how this plays out.

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听好了,他们正在考察所有人,对吧?

Look, they're looking at everybody, right?

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比如,我认为斯坦率先爆料说他们在交易截止日前考察过科怀,这是真的。

Like Stein, I think, broke the news that they looked at Kawhi at the trade deadline, which is true.

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我现在已经确认了,这是真的。

I've now confirmed that, that's true.

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而且,如果他们只是随便想想的话。

And like, if they're just like, whatever.

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谁能帮助斯蒂芬?

Who can help Steph?

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谁是可以得到的?

Who's gettable?

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如果我们得不到字母哥,还能得到谁?

If we can't get Giannis, who can we get?

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我也听说了一些关于字母哥的消息。

Heard some Giannis stuff too.

Speaker 1

你听说了?

You did?

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关于勇士队,这事儿满天飞,或者说是这局面有多糟糕。

It's been all over the but with the Warriors, or just how much of a disaster the situation preferences.

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我也听说了。

Heard this.

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他不想待在西海岸,这排除了我之前非常看好的波特兰方案。

He doesn't wanna be on the West Coast, which rules out my Portland theory that I was really excited about.

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好的。

Okay.

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我就是这么听说的。

That's what I heard.

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我还查了地图来验证我得到的信息。

And I looked at a map to back up the information I was getting.

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原来希腊离美国真的很远。

Greece really is far from America, turns out.

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地图上就是这么写的。

That's what the map said.

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不近。

Not close.

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结果发现,希腊离得很远。

As it turns out, Greece, far away.

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但当你从希腊去美国时,东海岸实际上比西海岸离希腊更近。

But when you're going from Greece to America, the East Coast turns out closer to Greece than the West Coast.

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你想聊聊吗

Do you wanna talk And

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波特兰,波特兰真的很远。

Portland, Portland really far away.

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波特兰的话,从希腊过去要十九个小时。

Portland's like, you're talking nineteen hours from Greece.

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我不知道。

I don't know.

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是十九个小时,但确实很长。

It's nineteen, but it's it's long.

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我很高兴你终于明白了。

I'm glad that this is dawning on you.

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我本来想

I was gonna

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我马上就明白了。

This dawning on me right away.

Speaker 1

我本来想跟你聊聊今天匈牙利的选举,你是真想深入讨论一下地缘政治,还是想把它放一边?

I was gonna talk, I was gonna ask you if you wanted to talk about the Hungarian election today, if you really just wanna get into some geopolitics, or do you wanna just leave that over to the side?

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是的,但另一方面,像夏洛特这样的球队,离希腊也没那么远。

Yeah, so But on the flip side, suddenly a team like Charlotte, not that far from Greece.

Speaker 1

天哪。

Oh my god.

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听我说,他们有,好吧。

Look, they have Look, okay.

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不搞这个了。

Not doing this.

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下一个。

Next.

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不谈字母哥了。

Finished not doing Giannis.

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别画地图了,沿着东海岸一路往下看。

Not doing doing a map and go down the Eastern Seaboard.

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你知道吗,首先,雄鹿队可能根本不在乎,也不再在乎了。

You know what I First of all, the Bucks probably shouldn't care and don't care anymore.

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第二,给我那个像这样的家伙,你知道吧?

And number two, give me the guy who's like, know what?

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我要去中西部。

I want Midwest.

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我喜欢这里。

I like it here.

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给我另一个中西部的球队。

Give me another Midwest team.

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把我交易到芝加哥吧。

Deal deal me to Chicago.

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让我去拯救公牛队。

Let me go save the Bulls.

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总得有人去拯救公牛队。

Someone has to save the Bulls.

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总得有人救他们免于自毁。

Someone has to save them from themselves.

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我来干。

I'll do it.

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离这儿一百英里远。

It's a 100 miles away.

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我来干。

I'll do it.

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很高兴你提到公牛队,这是五个有直飞希腊航班的美国城市之一。

I'm glad you mentioned the Bulls, one of five American cities with direct flights to Greece.

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顺便说一句,最不喜欢的八大美国机场是奥黑尔。

Least favorite eight major American airport, by the way, O'Hare.

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我讨厌奥黑尔。

I hate O'Hare.

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我觉得我的可能是亚特兰大。

I think mine is probably Atlanta.

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它太大了。

It's just too big.

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我不喜欢必须乘有轨电车从一个航站楼到另一个航站楼。

I don't like when I have to get on a tram to go from one terminal to another.

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我不喜欢有轨电车。

I don't like trams.

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我只想赶紧落地。

I just wanna land.

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你知道哪个机场很棒吗?

You know what's an amazing airport?

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伯班克机场。

Burbank.

Speaker 1

我以前没飞过伯班克。

Never flown into Burbank before.

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我们去过旧金山,然后到伯班克,太棒了。

Burbank, we did San Francisco, Burbank, amazing.

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一下飞机,瞬间就能上车了。

You're like out, and you're like in your car in a second.

Speaker 0

第一轮。

Round one.

Speaker 1

好的。

Okay.

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所以波士顿对费城,或者奥兰多,这是两个选择。

So Boston versus Philly or Orlando, those are the two choices.

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如果我们看冷门,那就把俄克拉荷马城或圣安东尼奥划掉,因为没有任何一支首轮球队能击败他们中的任何一支。

If we go upset watch, let's cross off OKC or San Antonio, because no round one team is beating either of them.

Speaker 1

好的。

Okay.

Speaker 0

冷门球队:明尼苏达击败丹佛。

Upset teams, Minnesota beating Denver.

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湖人对火箭,谁才是被看好的一方?

Who is even favored in Lakers Houston?

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我最好查一下。

I better look at that.

Speaker 1

湖人有主场优势,我个人觉得火箭应该更被看好。

Lakers have home court, I think Houston should be favored personally.

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火箭是大热门,让9分的话,湖人就成了冷门了。

Houston is giant favorites, minus So nine Lakers would be the upset in that.

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克利夫兰,多伦多。

Cleveland, Toronto.

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多伦多击败克利夫兰。

So Toronto beating Cleveland.

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亚特兰大击败尼克斯。

Atlanta beating the Knicks.

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或者底特律或波士顿输给那些杂牌军。

Or Detroit or Boston losing to the hodgepodge of teams.

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在你看来,你觉得哪个系列赛最有可能爆冷?冷门观察会出现在哪里?

What is your most upsetty where is upset watch going, in your opinion, for you?

Speaker 1

我的意思是,这些系列赛里,我会把湖人和火箭放一边,因为我不确定谁会健康,谁不会。

I mean, I think of all those series I'm gonna just park Lakers rockets over here, because I don't we'll see who's healthy, who's not.

Speaker 1

我差点想说明尼苏达。

I'm tempted to say Minnesota.

Speaker 1

我只是对他们在过去一个月里的球队状态缺乏信心。

I just don't have enough confidence in the state of their team over the last month.

Speaker 1

我想是尼克斯,还有老鹰,因为我觉得老鹰挺有意思的。

I guess Knicks, guess Knicks Hawks, because I think the Hawks are interesting.

Speaker 1

我会选尼克斯赢得这个系列赛。

I will pick the Knicks to win that series.

Speaker 1

但我觉得骑士队多年来一直有季后赛的魔咒,这次却意外地抽到了一个对他们有利的首轮对手,无论哈登是否发挥失常,或者贾里德·艾伦在篮板上被压制,或者他们平时常遇到的那些问题发生,这个系列赛他们都应该能赢。

But I think the Cavs who have had their playoff bugaboos over the years kind of lucked into a a good matchup for them in the first round that they should be able to just no matter if Harden comes out and has a bad game or Jared Allen gets pushed around on the boards or whatever usual stuff happens to them, that should just be a series they should win.

Speaker 1

所以我想我会说下一个。

So I guess I would say the next.

Speaker 0

我也是,因为我根本不觉得多伦多有能力击败克利夫兰。

I would as well because I just don't think Toronto has it in them to beat Cleveland.

Speaker 0

我觉得那必须得是彻底崩溃才行。

I think that would have to be a real collapse.

Speaker 0

我会说克利夫兰符合季后赛冷门所需的很多条件,尤其是他们的防守。

I will say Cleveland fits a lot of the recipe you would want for a playoff upset because of their defense.

Speaker 0

比如,无法防守任何人,还频频让对手投进大量三分球,这简直就是输掉系列赛的绝佳方式。

Like that's just a great way to lose a series, not being able to guard anybody and giving up a bunch of threes.

Speaker 0

我在想哪支球队更有机会爆冷击败底特律,我觉得可能是夏洛特,尽管我们刚刚讨论过他们看起来有多瘦小。

I'm trying to think which team would have a better chance of upsetting Detroit, and I think it's probably Charlotte, even though we just litigated how small they looked in that.

Speaker 0

但夏洛特的三分投射能力,如果系列赛拖得越久,他们一旦手感火热,我迟早会开始感到害怕。

But just the Charlotte three point shooting, the longer that series goes, if they just got hot, I would start to get scared after a while.

Speaker 0

再加上,你面临的情况是,拉梅洛——我不认为他会是,但理论上他有可能成为系列赛中表现最好的球员。

Plus, you're in a situation where LaMelo, I don't think he would be, but it's conceivable he could be the best player in a series.

Speaker 0

对吧?

Right?

Speaker 0

我不是说他一定会是。

Not saying he would be.

Speaker 0

我只是说这种情况至少是有可能的。

I'm saying it's at least in play.

Speaker 1

这是有可能的。

It's in play.

Speaker 1

我一直在努力说服自己,相信季前赛时我对魔术队的预期。

I keep trying to talk myself into what I thought magic would be in the preseason.

Speaker 1

弗兰兹回来了。

Like, Franz is back.

Speaker 1

安东尼·布莱克也回来了。

Anthony Black is back.

Speaker 1

他们拥有了完整的球员阵容。

They've got their full complement of players.

Speaker 1

他们的上限非常可怕。

They have a scary upside.

Speaker 1

他们的防守在过去几年里一直位列前八,但今年不是。

Their defense has been top eight in the last couple years, not this year.

Speaker 1

他们的防守退步了。

It slipped backwards.

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