火热的尼克斯队、OKC队针对文班亚马的疲劳战术、迷你问答信箱，以及《幸存者50》| 与罗布·马洪尼、杰森·孔塞普西翁和马洛里·鲁宾一同探讨

他们昨天几乎用了一种全新的方式来防守文班亚马，我特别期待看看这系列赛里其他球队怎么应对。

They debuted like almost a new way to defend Wemby yesterday, and I'm gonna be really interested reacts to it over the course of this series.

这对我们来说完全是新领域。

This is just new territory for us.

确实如此。

Yeah.

如果你老是拽他胳膊、把他拉得失去平衡，或者他起跳时往下压他肩膀——这些正是明尼苏达队干的事——我觉得文班亚马至少该得二十次罚球。不过我没什么立场，我是凯尔特人球迷。

If you're just pulling his arms and pulling him off balance all the time, if you're pushing his shoulders down when he's jumping, which is all stuff Hiring Pro was doing, I felt like Wemby got fouled 20 I don't have a dog in this race, I'm a Celtic fan.

我其实不关心谁赢这个系列赛，但我真的很喜欢看文班亚马打球。

I don't really care who wins the series, but I also really enjoy watching Wemby.

昨天他被撞来撞去我倒不介意，我觉得明尼苏达队做得挺到位的。

And yesterday was I don't mind if he's getting knocked around, I thought Minnesota did a great job doing it.

我觉得昨天真正的问题在于那些拉扯、抓抱、推搡，这些动作根本就不该被允许。

I thought the difference yesterday was the pulling, the grabbing, the pushing, just stuff that just shouldn't be legal.

如果这种动作都能放任不管，俄克拉荷马队五场就能赢下这个系列赛。

If you're gonna be allowed to do all that stuff, OKC's gonna win this series in five.

那他们怎么应对第三场比赛呢？

So how do they react to game three?

我觉得这个问题得看我们把责任归到谁头上。

So I think this conversation depends on like who you're pointing the finger at.

从雷霆的角度来看，作为一个有竞争力的球队，如果你在每一场关键比赛中都没能摸清对方能钻的空子，那你就没尽到本分。

From the Thunder perspective, I think as a competitive team, if you are not seeing what you can get away with in literally every series you play that's competitive, you're not doing your job.

所以。

So

我完全同意你的看法。

I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly with that.

他们应该延续第二场的做法。

They should have done what they did in game two.

我觉得那是个不错的策略。

I agree that it was a good strategy.

尤其是以赛亚·哈滕施泰因，他迫切想在这轮系列赛中找到上场的机会，更应该琢磨怎么在这场对位中制造影响。

And I would say it's even incumbent on Isaiah Hardenshine in particular, who is desperate to find a way to stay on the floor in this series to see what he can do to affect that matchup.

答案就是一切。

And the answer was everything.

答案嘛，是的，没错。

The answer was I mean, yes.

你说得对，有些动作确实擦边，有点儿过分。

It was it was you're right that some of those plays are like borderline dirty.

有些动作非常粗暴。

Some of them are very physical.

这就像走钢丝，不仅要考虑合不合法，有时候还得考虑作为竞争者，什么才算得体。

It's like walking a very delicate line of not just like what is legal, but what is like in good taste as a competitor sometimes.

对。

Yeah.

强队都这么做。

Great teams do that.

强队里总有球员懂得怎么把握分寸，既施加压力又不越界，但其他人也得对这些动作有所回应。

Great teams have players who do that and can understand how to like tow it and without going over too much, but the the rest have to call some of it.

这简直可以剪出一个长达十五到二十个片段的合集，全是以赛亚·哈丁斯各种擦边球的打法，有些确实该吹，但实际吹的太少了。

Like, this is a case where you could put together a supercut of 15 to 20 different Isaiah Hiring Pro plays that are questionable in all sorts of ways, And some of them have to be called, some of them were, not enough of them.

我觉得这真不能怪以赛亚·哈丁斯。

I don't even really see that as being Isaiah Hardenstein's fault.

他只是在打球，按雷霆队要求他那样去打自己的角色而已。

Like, is playing the game and playing his role in the way that, honestly, the Thunder kind of require him to play it.

我觉得他这招特别聪明。

I actually thought it was brilliant by him.

你都能看出来，他一边打一边心里嘀咕：‘哦，原来他们真允许我这么玩啊。’

And you could see him as the game was going on be like, oh, I guess they're gonna just let me do this.

对。

Yeah.

他还干了件我一直纳闷为啥没人多用的招儿——在突破时把文班亚马从篮下拉开，好让他没法快速抢进攻篮板。

He was even He was doing something that I've always wondered why guys didn't do more is pulling Wemby away from the basket on drives so that he'd basically to slow him up on the offensive rebound.

每次他这么干，都能占到点便宜。

Every time it felt like he was getting some sort of advantage.

我觉得他这招简直太妙了，但我也没想到裁判居然放任不管，毕竟太明显了。

I thought it I honestly thought it was brilliant, but I also couldn't believe the refs allowed it because it was pretty blatant.

他干了什么，明眼人都看得出来。

It's not like you couldn't see what he was doing.

我觉得韦姆比唯一做错的就是，他当时应该把双臂这么举起来。

And I think if Wemby, the only thing he probably made a mistake on is he just should've had his arms up like this.

对。

Yeah.

那样的话，哈特和斯蒂姆从侧面拉扯他的动作就会更清楚，不过这招确实挺管用的。

Because I think it just would've been more clear that Hart and Steam was grabbing him on the sides and stuff, but it it was pretty effective.

几周前我就提到过这事。

And I talked about this a couple weeks ago.

这是卡里姆。

This is Kareem.

这简直就是他整个职业生涯的缩影。

This is his entire career.

有人对他推搡，有人用肘子顶他后背，还故意惹他发火。

Guys doing this to him, guys pushing him, guys elbowing him in the back, guys trying to provoke him.

而卡里姆，我觉得他至少打了五个不同的人。

And Kareem, I think, punched like five different guys.

有一次他还一拳打在肯特·本森脸上，把手都打骨折了。

Broke his hand on Kent Benson's face at one point.

没错。

Yep.

文班亚马只发过一次火，但我猜哈特和斯蒂姆在第三场比赛里别想再这么肆无忌惮了。

Wemby's gotten mad once, but my guess is Hart and Steam will not be able to get away with this stuff in game three.

我猜那个集锦今天已经发到联盟手里了。

I am guessing the Supercut was sent to the league today.

这本来就是马刺该做的事，对吧？

Again, that's that's the Spurs job.

对吧？

Right?

每个人在这种情况下都得找准自己的角色，学会应对这些状况。

It's like everyone just kinda needs to play their role in response to these things and figure out how to navigate them.

我真想不起来以前有哪个球员的判罚情况这么特别。

I don't know that we had a player like this whose officiating is so unique.

自从沙奎尔·奥尼尔之后，你还想得起哪个中锋有这种待遇吗？

Maybe since Shaquille O'Neal, like, there anyone in that time in terms of bigs that that comes to mind for you?

是的。

Yeah.

奥尼尔。

Shaq.

奥尼尔那时候，裁判判罚根本不公平。

Shaq, it just wasn't fair.

对。

Yeah.

他只要一靠近篮下，转个身就能扣进去。

He could just get near the basket, and he could just turn and dunk.

所以他们开始这么打，我记得这一直让我很难评价沙克是不是顶级15人之一，因为一方面，我觉得他没把潜力完全发挥出来，总是临时抱佛脚才调整状态，真正从头到尾都炸裂的，其实就只有一个赛季——他拿MVP那年。

And so they started to do and I remember, this is where it was always tough for me to evaluate Shaq as like a top 15 guy, because on the one hand, I felt like he left stuff on the table, and that he would always play himself into shape, and you know, there was really only one season where you're like, he was fucking awesome from beginning to end, which is his MVP season.

但另一方面，想想看，一年有八个月你得防着他，那日子真不好过。

On the other hand, I don't think it was fun to be Shaq eight months a year with the way he was guarded.

确实。

True.

对手老是拽他胳膊，拉他肩膀。

And they would pull on his arms, and they would pull on his shoulders.

所以他肩膀出了问题，至少有一边是这么搞坏的。

And that's why he ended up having shoulder problems, and I think with at least one of his shoulders.

他一次次冲起来，对方就死死拽住他往下拉，没完没了。

Over and over again, he's exploding to go up, and they're just kinda grabbing and pulling him down.

所以我觉得，他可能是最后一个让我印象这么深的球员，那种防守上的拉扯几乎成了常态，而活塞队对乔丹的那些手段，算是另一个典型例子。

So I would say he was probably the last guy I can remember where it was a constant dialogue, and then some of the stuff that Pistons did to Jordan was probably the other big example.

再往前，根本没人这么打球的。

Other than that, before that, people didn't play defense that way.

勒布朗职业生涯中承受了大量犯规，很多都擦着边，但作为持球者，情况完全不一样。

And and like LeBron has taken a lot of hits and a lot of kinda borderline hits over the course of his career, but it's totally different as a ball handler.

我觉得这就是为什么拿沙克、文班亚马，或者如果算上贾巴尔，这些不拿球、要卡位、要掩护的大个子，裁判特别容易漏判——他们只要稍微转个头，就可能错过关键的身体接触和犯规。

I think this is where the Shaq Wemby comparison or Kareem, if you wanna loop him in, these bigs who are off the ball trying to establish position, trying to set screens, there's just so much space for the officials to kinda like turn their head ever so slightly and miss crucial contact, crucial fouls.

这就是为什么联盟里所有进攻端的大个子，裁判判罚都不公平。

It's the reason why bigs in the league in general on offense are just not officiated fairly.

他们得不到像后卫那样的有利判罚。

They are not given the benefit of the doubt that guards are.

我之前还想过，文班亚马会不会是个例外，毕竟他的体型摆在那里。

I had wondered if Wemby might be the exceptions to that just because of his frame.

就像你说的，他一抬手，身材那么瘦，动作又那么频繁。

Like you were saying, if he puts his hands in the air, just like he's so thin and he moves so much.

如果像以赛亚·哈滕斯坦这种人把他往旁边拽，这难道还不够明显吗？裁判怎么还不注意？结果第二场比赛，根本没人管。

If you are someone like Isaiah Hartenstein kind of pulling him out of the way, is that enough of like a neon sign saying, hey, there is weird contact going here for the In refs to finally pay attention to game two, it wasn't.

根本没引起足够的关注，而他明明需要这种关注。

Like, it just didn't draw enough attention in the way that apparently he needed to.

我就是特别爱看文班亚马打球。

The thing that I've I just I love watching Wemby.

真的特别享受。

I really enjoy it.

这可不是克里斯·柯林斯沃思那种风格。

That's not like Chris Collinsworth.

我真的很喜欢文班亚马。

I love Wemby.

我也超爱看哈珀打球。

I love doing Harper.

我就是喜欢文班亚马。

I love Wemby.

我看他打球特别过瘾，除了他特别拼、像外星人从飞碟里降下来这些，我最欣赏的是他从不抱怨判罚。

I really enjoy watching him, and one of the things I love other than how competitive he is and being an alien, landing from a UFO, all that stuff, I love that he doesn't bitch for calls.

他真的从来不闹。

He really doesn't.

是的。

Yeah.

他经常承受大量身体对抗，我觉得他已经习惯了。

And he takes a lot of punishment, and I just think he's used to it.

从他14岁起，人们就是这样看待他的防守方式的。

I think this is the way people have defended him since he was 14.

我觉得他可能做过不少心理上的分析，毕竟他对待每件事都很用心。

And I think he's probably done a mental study, because yeah, I think he puts a lot of thought into everything.

恐怕比我们见过的任何年轻球星都要用心。

Probably as much as any young star we've ever had.

他明白，整天抱怨根本没意义。

And I think he's realized, like, it's not worth it for me to be bitching all the time.

我得超越这些琐事。

I need to be bigger than this.

我要成为联盟里最具身体对抗性、最有威慑力的球员。

I need to be the most physical, imposing guy in the game, in the league.

如果我老是抱怨、唠叨、发牢骚，那就会削弱我的影响力。

And if I'm just constantly bitching and yapping and complaining, that gets compromised.

他忍了，但米奇·约翰逊看起来并不享受这个过程。

So he took it, but Mitch Johnson did not seem like he was enjoying it.

是的。

Yeah.

他好像越来越生气，我猜第三场比赛就不会是这样了。

It seemed like he was getting madder and madder and madder, and my guess is it won't be the case in game three.

而且他们肯定会想办法应对，对吧？

Well, and they'll find ways to work around it, right?

其中一个办法是，因为温比的技术特点，你可以把他安排到球场任何位置。

One of the things you can do is because of Wimby's skill set, you can move him anywhere on the floor.

你可以让他像控卫一样跑战术，逼着以赛亚·哈德什林去防他，而他并不擅长这种防守。

You could run him through actions like a guard if you want to, and make Isaiah Hardshrine have to have to defend him that way, which is something he's not comfortable doing.

至于不抱怨犯规这点，温比虽然经常被撞、被拉、被推，但他不像那种一碰就倒的球员，比如乔尔·恩比德那种类型。

I I think the other part about the not complaining about fouls too is Wimby, for as much as he gets hit and held and pushed, like, isn't one of these guys who is falling over all the time even on his own shots, like the Joel Embiid style.

我觉得这已经成为他比赛里特别出色的一部分，不只是因为有些行为容易惹人反感，你还能看到他抢下自己投丢的球后完成的那些补篮扣篮。

I think it's become a really cool part of his game, not just because, you know, some of that's just gonna turn people off, but you see some of the tip dunks that he gets now off of his own misses.

你只有站稳了、不倒不歪、不故意引诱犯规，才能做到这些。

And you're only there to do that because you're not falling, you're not leaning, you're not trying to bait out the contact.

他现在总是迅猛地直冲篮下，因此能抓住那些不可思议的二次进攻机会，这种打球的节奏和空间感，我们平时真没见过其他人这么打。

Like, he's moving downhill so much all the time now that he's able to clean up and get just crazy plays with a kind of geometry that we're not really used to seeing from anybody else.

对。

Yeah.

哈斯和我两天前还聊过，那场一战对他有多关键，我们当时都说了同样的话。

Hass and I talked about it two days ago, just like how important that game one was for him, which we all had the same conversations.

我觉得昨天SGA表现太棒了。

I thought SGA was great last night.

我感觉他对比赛节奏的掌控特别到位，知道什么时候该出手、什么时候该组织。

I really thought he had a command of the flow of the and when he should step in.

我就是觉得他能连拿两个MVP，靠的就是这种比赛。

I just thought that's why he won two straight MVPs, because of games like yesterday.

看维克托打球的体验，我作为篮球迷已经很久没这么激动过了，上一次还是2013到2015年库里刚崛起那会儿，那时候根本看不够，因为从没见过这样的球风。维克托昨天又让我有这种感觉，每场比赛他都能拿出点新东西。

The experience of watching Wemby, I don't remember feeling this way as a basketball fan since like those early twenty thirteen, 'fourteen, 'fifteen Curry range where it was just like, I can't get enough of this because I've And never seen it with the Wemby, like yesterday, and it feels like every game there's something different.

昨天他那些从奇怪角度抢下进攻篮板后直接补篮的球，简直太疯狂了。

Yesterday it was just, he just had these crazy offensive rebound put backs from weird angles.

他起码拿了五个这样的球，每个都让人想问：这他是怎么做到的？

He must have had like five of them, where you're like, I don't understand how he got that.

你简直想叫暂停回放，看他从远处拨球，又在篮下伸着那双章鱼般的长臂够球。

You almost wanted them to stop the game and replay it, and tipping things from far away, and you know, being under the basket, and reaching his octopus arm around.

对他来说，昨天那场可能算不上特别出色，但他始终在影响比赛，到处都能看到他的身影。

He probably didn't even really have that good of a game for him, but it felt like he was consistently impactful and all over the place.

还有福克斯的事，再加上哈珀的离队。

You know, the Fox thing, and then losing Harper.

是的。

Yeah.

卡斯尔两场20次失误，真替他难受，但我真心希望没人因此责怪他。

I feel bad for poor Castle with the 20 turnovers in two games, which I sincerely hope nobody hangs on him.

他并不是一个真正的控球后卫。

He's not a true point guard.

他面对的可能是本世纪最可怕的防守后卫阵容，而他的表现确实有些混乱。

He's going against the scariest collection of defensive guards we've probably had this century, and you know, he's been sloppy.

他身上有点韦斯特布鲁克的影子。

There's a little bit of a Westbrook side with him.

就像当年俄克拉荷马城时期的年轻韦斯特布鲁克，2008到2014年那样，有点失控，有时打出惊天一击，但也有不少让人摇头的失误。

Early Westbrook, The OKC from o eight to 2014, a little out of control, awesome one play, definitely a few plays who were like, oh no, why'd you do that?

他总爱卷入比赛最关键的时刻，可能是好事，也可能是坏事。

A tendency to be involved in the biggest player, one of the biggest plays of the game, and it might be a good thing, it might be a bad thing.

韦斯特布鲁克无疑是联盟前十五到二十名的顶级球员，但他年轻，还在边打边摸索，而福克斯之前正好能当那个稳住局面的人。

And like Westbrook is one of the 15 to 20 best players in the league, but is just young and figuring it out on the fly, and Fox was just so helpful for him for just being the adult in the room.

让卡斯特去应对雷霆那样的防守，实在要求太高了。

I think it's just so much to ask for Castle to just kind of navigate that Thunder defense.

天哪。

Jesus.

这确实很难，但就像年轻时的拉塞尔·威斯布鲁克，尤其是巅峰时期的他，哈珀身上那种无所畏惧的打球风格，我宁愿每天都这样。

It's tough, but in the same way that with a younger Russell Westbrook, and especially a prime Russell Westbrook, what Harper gives you in terms of the fearlessness of his play, I will just take every day of the week.

对。

Right.

你得接受这种风格，然后想办法引导他、约束他，比如别做那些太疯狂的举动。

And and you you take that and you try to harness it and try to rein it in, like, okay, don't do these particular crazy things.

或者在这轮系列赛里，他有时候就是控不住球。

Or in the case of this series, he's just like mishandling the ball sometimes.

他想太快、太猛地突破俄克拉荷马城的那些防守球员，结果反而把球弄丢了。

Like, he's trying to go so quickly and so aggressively through all of those Oklahoma City defenders that he's just kinda like losing it.

是的。

Yeah.

如果哈珀和福克斯都打不了，我觉得这就是现实了。

I think that's gonna be the reality if both Harper and Fox can't play.

他们真的没有别的备选方案。

Like, they just don't have alternatives.

你让乔丹·麦克劳克林上场，其实也改变不了多少。

Like, you can throw Jordan McLaughlin out there, but it's not really gonna change a lot.

你得有两个持球手，才能给文班亚马创造有利的进攻机会，所以场上持球人这么少，根本不是偶然。

You need the two ball handler approach even just to get Wemby in good advantageous And so it's like, it's not an accident that the fewer ball handlers were on the floor.

现在连把球传到文班亚马手里都很难。

Now it's hard to even get Wemby the ball.

想给他送进内线的传球，更是难上加难。

It's hard to get those, like, post entry passes to him.

一切都变得复杂多了。

Everything just gets so much more complicated.

但我相信卡斯尔迟早会控制住失误，不只是在系列赛后期，就是现在也得赶紧改。

But I trust that Castle will rein the turnovers in certainly over time, but even over the course of this series.

失误不能一直这么频繁，这实在说不过去。

It just can't be this terrible all the time in terms of the volume.

差不多每场两次。

It's basically two a quarter.

我记得大概是2012年总决赛的时候，写过一篇关于威斯布鲁克的文章，讲的是‘九成好、一成糟’这种人——九成的部分特别出色，但每个人都有那么一成的短板。威斯布鲁克的那部分短板太明显了，你总是忍不住注意到。

I remember in the, I think it was the twenty twelve finals, wrote a piece about Westbrook, about the concept of a ninetyten guy, where the 90% is awesome, and that 10%, everybody's got the 10% that they're not really good at, they have some flaw, And with Westbrook, the 10% was so glaring, you always thought about it.

对。

Yeah.

作为控卫，你自然能察觉到这一点。

And Castle, as a point guard, you can you just are kind of aware of it.

就是说，嗯，情况摆在这儿。

It's like, alright.

他的问题就是球风有点毛躁。

His flaw is he's a little sloppy.

是啊。

Yeah.

现在他全场都拿球，你就会更频繁地想到这个问题——他年纪才21岁，却要面对卢·多特、卡鲁索，还有他们队那个叫特里的家伙。

And now that he has the ball all the time, gonna be thinking about this more that he's a little sloppy, because he's 21, and he's going against Lou Dort and Caruso, and who's the other guy they have that's Terri

杰森·沃勒。

Jason Wallace.

杰森·华莱士，我都把他给忘了。

Jason Wallace, forgot about him.

最佳防守一阵，杰森·华莱士。

First team all defense, Jason Wallace.

我们居然选一个站在中场等你失误偷球的人进一阵。

We'll vote it for a first team who just stands at mid court waiting to pick your pocket.

太狠了。

Brutal.

他至少每场比赛都这么坑过卡斯特一次。

And has done that to done that to Castle at least once a game.

如果斯蒂芬·卡斯特有点年轻时的威斯布鲁克，那迪伦·哈珀是不是我们见过最夸张的埃里克·梅纳德？

Well, if if Stephon Castle has a little bit of young Westbrook, is Dylan Harper like the most super Eric Maynard we've ever seen?

他身后站着的那个，才是会管比赛、懂分寸的人。

Here's the game managing responsible guy behind him.

对，他就是个外星版的埃里克·梅纳德。

Yeah, he's alien Eric Maynard.

他受伤的时候，我真是特别失望。

I was so bummed when he got hurt.

我懂。

I know.

这系列赛的另一大亮点就是这个。

Because that was another great thing about this series.

你正在实时见证哈珀的成长。

You're watching Harper in real time.

我两天前还说过，当时觉得他状态已经差到顶了，结果他现在反而打成这样。

I talked about this two days ago, that just like this is the worst he's ever gonna be, and he's doing this.

我一直在想，一个年轻控卫能在这种时候挺身而出，真的特别难得，就像我们见过的一些顶级控卫——比如2003年季后赛的托尼·帕克。

I was thinking about, I really value when a young point guard can rise to this, because even you think like, some of the best point guards we've had, Tony Parker in the 2003 playoffs.

没错。

Yeah.

到那届季后赛末尾，他的表现已经不稳定到让人怀疑，是不是该把他交易去换基德了。

By the end of that playoffs he was so shaky that they were like, should they trade him for Kidd?

你还记得吗？

Remember?

那可真是个大话题。

It was like a whole thing.

基德当时是自由球员，他们有没有考虑过先签后换？

Kidd's Oh a free agent, do they do a sign and trade?

签下杰森，算是升级吗？

Would this be an upgrade to get Jason?

因为帕克那时还年轻，没人确定能不能信任他。

Because Parker was a young point guard and they didn't know if they could rely on him.

当年的凯尔特人队，隆多也是这样。

Rondo was like that for the 'eight Celtics.

他有时候打得很好，下一场比赛又状态全无。

It was like, he was good one game, not good the next game.

哈珀能这么稳定，而且攻防两端都这么有影响力，真让人吃惊。

And for Harper to be as consistent and also impactful on both ends, Pretty dumbfounding.

我听说他明天应该会上场。

It sounds like he's gonna play tomorrow is the word that I was hearing.

希望如此。

I hope so.

就算状态受限，他带来的东西也太重要了，球队现在简直离不开他。

I mean, even if it's in a somewhat limited state, like, they could really just use everything that he brings to the table.

想想那三位核心球员，卡斯尔是唯一一个在季后赛里经历着典型新秀困境的，他遇到的阻碍太多了。

But when you think about those three core guys, Castle is having the most normal young player in the playoffs experience because of those walls he's running into.

至于哈珀，我们还没真正看到他的极限在哪。

Harper, we really haven't seen the limits on it yet.

他打球还是那么顺滑。

He's still so smooth.

比如第二场比赛快结束前，他一对一突破勒夫·多特，一步一停地慢慢推进，多特只能不停地后退。

Like, there there was a play where before he left this game in game two, he's like driving one on one through Lew Dort, just like one diagonal step at a time, and Lew Dort is just constantly backpedaling.

而哈珀，一个才20岁的年轻人，直接用身体顶开多特——那可是个像消防栓一样结实的球员——轻松上篮，几乎没人能防得住。

And Dylan Harper, who again is 20 years old, just body bumps Lew Dort, a living fire hydrant, out of the way for a basically uncontested lamp.

就像是

It's like

没错。

Yeah.

这一切一点都不正常。

Nothing about that is normal.

维克托·文班亚马的成长轨迹，还有他第一次打季后赛的经历，全都不正常。

Nothing about Wemby's arc and his, like, first playoff foray is normal.

相比之下，斯蒂芬·卡斯特尔显得有点普通了，但依然很厉害。

Stephan Castle is looking mortal by comparison, but it's still awesome.

所以，

And so if Yeah.

我们已经说过很多次了，但球队的未来确实建立在这三个人身上，这几乎是你能想到的最稳妥的押注，也是这次季后赛初期最让人振奋的信号。

You just have to feel we've said it so many times, but like the fact that the future of the franchise is anchored around those three guys in particular, it's just about as safe a bet as you could possibly make and as encouraging a sign in this first run as you could possibly get.

我觉得他们应该能赢下这个系列赛，我仍然相信他们会赢，不过还得看看哈珀的表现。

I think they should win this series, and I still think they're gonna win this series, but we'll see with Harper.

如果哈珀状态受影响，那局势就完全不同了。

If Harper's compromised, then that's gonna change the equation.

福克斯的高位踝扭伤，我现在真不知道该信哪一版说法了。

Fox, the high ankle sprain, I never know what to believe with these anymore.

有时候高位踝扭伤就是得休四星期，但有时候他又能上场打球。

Sometimes high ankle sprain is just like you're done for four weeks, and then other times it's like he can play.

作为控卫，要是得了高位踝扭伤，那确实挺麻烦的。

It would seem as a point guard that would be not a great position to have a high ankle sprain.

尤其是再碰上雷霆队的时候。

Especially against the Thunder again.

有些对手的防守，你带伤去打真的特别吃亏，哈珀或者福克斯可能不得不硬上，但肯定不是理想情况。

Like there's defenses you don't want to go against with any limitation, and you might have to, like if you're Harper or Fox, but it's not ideal.

他们第三场是在主场打。

They're gonna be home for game three.

对。

Mhmm.

我猜福克斯会不会上场，得看比赛当天的情况。

My guess is Fox is gonna be a game time decision in play.

我这不是百分百确定，但这是主场作战。

I don't know this for a fact, but it's a home game.

他们可能希望在俄克拉荷马先拿下一场，然后回来再让福克斯全力出战。

They're probably hoping they could split the first two in OKC and come back, and then actually unleash Fox.

我不太清楚，但另一边的J·杜布斯，他在第一场表现真的很出色。

I don't know, I just feel like the J Dubs situation on the other side, which he really looked good in game one.

我之前发过推，说第一场打完，我觉得很多人都因为高强度的节奏而受伤了。

And I tweeted this that I thought game one, you know, there were casualties from playing 58 at the pace that everybody played at.

第二场出问题几乎是必然的，结果真的有两个球员受伤了，对吧？

You knew something bad was gonna happen in game two, had two injuries, right?

我觉得米切尔可能是受伤了。

I think Mitchell might have gotten

对，他看起来也有点不太稳。

hurt Yeah, looked a little shaky too.

是啊，有点情况。

Yeah, something.

但J Dub现在看来是打不了了。

But J Dub now seems out.

估计他得缺阵一段时间了。

I guess he's gonna be out for a while.

从阵容安排上就能感觉到不对劲。

You could feel it with some of the lineups.

他们只能被迫用两个大个子搭配几个后卫了。

They basically have to go, they can do the two bigs with some guards.

也许亚伦·威金斯会上场更多一些。

Maybe Aaron Wiggins plays a little more.

我也不太确定。

I I don't know.

那你怎么办？

What do you do?

那这时间怎么补？

How do you replace the minutes?

这正是问题所在，如果裁判尺度变了，而海斯坦因和J Dub又没法上场，这种连锁反应就会变成真正的大麻烦。

Well, this is where if the officiating changes around Isaiah Hartenstein and J Dub isn't available to play, you're starting to see that cascading effect become a real problem.

是的。

Yeah.

那到底谁去防文班亚马？

Because then who literally, who guards Wemby?

你派谁上去跟他对位？

Like, who are you throwing at him?

第二场比赛里我们看到文班亚马的防守多了一些。

We saw a little more of chat on Wemby in game two.

他表现还行，但绝对不是首选。

Thought he did okay, but he's not your first choice.

是的。

Yeah.

如果J Dub打不了，而Isaiah Hartenstein因为老是拉拽推搡吃上犯规，那我们可能就得让Jay Will打28分钟，或者让Alex Caruso打40分钟。

If J Dub can't play and Isaiah Hardestein gets in, let's say, foul trouble because of all the holding and grabbing and pushing he's been doing, we're either gonna get, like, 28 Jay Will minutes or, like, 40 Alex Caruso minutes.

这两个人里，总得有一个在这场对位中被逼到极限。

Like, it's one of those two guys is gonna have to stretch really far in that matchup.

但我真不确定他们俩有没有完全准备好应对这种情况。

And I don't know that either of them is fully ready for it.

他们俩各有各的长处，能给Wemby制造麻烦，进攻端也能提供帮助。

They both, you know, have things they can bring and try to make Wemby's life hard in particular and also can contribute on offense.

但只要J Dub不上场，所有对位安排都会瞬间变得一团乱。

But all of the matchups get very strange very quickly if J Dub isn't out there.

他才是让OKC这套体系能转起来的关键人物。

Like, he really is the critical piece that makes a lot of this make sense for OKC.

其实我挺看好J Will在这轮系列赛里的表现。

I actually like J Will in this series.

他确实打得不错。

He's he's really good.

是的

Yeah.

我喜欢他在弧顶的那记三分，有点像卢克·加扎的风格。

I like his top of the it's a little Luke Garza ish, that little top of the key three.

他这球让我想起了加扎当年的样子。

He's getting some Garza flashback.

明白了。

Okay.

威尔只是试着

Like, Will just try

威尔做不到

J Will cannot

用整轮系列赛来证明自己。

used his series.

不能什么事都拿卢卡·加扎来比。

Everything cannot be through the lens of Luca Garza.

这不可能是我们现在在做的事。

That can't be what we're doing.

有点儿加尔扎那味儿。

So little Garza ish.

不过我喜欢他的一点是他打法多变。

No, but one of the things I like about him is he'll mix it up.

对。

Yeah.

上周末对阵华盛顿那场，他跟钱皮内的兄弟打了一架。

He got in a fight with Champinee's brother in the Washington game during the weekend.

当然。

Sure.

我不清楚钱皮内那边是不是还记着仇，但他确实敢拼敢打。

I don't know the other Champinee's holding against him, but he'll mix it up.

贾斯汀现在的表现，是不是跟汤普森兄弟当年互相支持的样子有点像？

Is Justin showing up in the same way that, you know, the Thompson twins were showing up for each

在莫里斯家？

In the Morris's?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，你得

I mean, you got

这完全有可能。

to It's very possible.

你得去你兄弟的季后赛比赛现场。

You gotta come to your brother's playoff game.

我觉得这几乎是必须的。

I would think it's a requirement.

我本来以为第二场比赛肯定会出点冲突，我还列了个填空清单，想着可能是文班亚马、卡斯特、多特，还有杰伦·威廉姆斯中的几个。

I thought for sure game two was gonna have some sort of altercation, and I had like a Mad Libs of I had Wemby, Castle, Dort, and Jaylen Williams.

四个人里头随便组合，说不定凯利·奥利尼克要是上场了，也会掺和进来。

Some some combination of the four of them, and maybe maybe even some Kelly Olenek if he had gotten some minutes.

但我还是觉得，这轮系列赛打得不够火药味十足。

But I still feel like I feel like this series hasn't gotten chippy enough.

虽然身体对抗挺多，但还没真正火起来。

It's been physical, but it hasn't been we haven't gotten aggro yet.

我觉得可能就在周五晚上爆发。

I think it could be Friday night.

不会吧。

No.

对啊。

Yeah.

周五晚上，马刺的球迷们赛前喝点小酒，气氛就上来了。

I'm Friday night, little little Spurs crowd having some spirits before the game.

没错。

Yeah.

我

I'm

观众还因为裁判的判罚特别激动吗？

A frisky crowd mad about the officiating game too?

我觉得那场比赛会有一种火药味。

I I think there's gonna be a a vibe in that game.

本就该如此，也理应如此。

As they should be, and as there should be.

我刚看了FanDuel的赔率，发现BismacBiambo用前臂击打雷霆球员的赔率是-500。

I'm looking at the FanDuels now, and I'm seeing minus 500 for a BismacBiambo forearm shiver to some Thunder player.

你觉得这笔赌注要不要押？还有没有别的更值得下的注？

Do you I mean, would would you take that one, or what do you think the alternative is?

我真希望Bismac上场就两秒钟。

I would love to see Bismac come in for two seconds.

Olynek那家伙，我觉得你随便找找，都能找到两分钟他打季后赛时的各种片段。

Olynek has there's, I think you could find like a two minute video of him doing stuff in different playoff games.

最出名的就是他不小心把凯文·乐福的肩膀给撞脱臼了。

Most famously when he accidentally knocked Kevin Love's shoulder out of his socket.

是的

Yeah.

那确实够呛。

That was a tough one.

季后赛里这种擦边的身体对抗实在太多了。

Again, a lot of borderline physicality going on in the playoffs.

真不知道该怎么说。

Don't know how.

什么算意外、什么算故意，界限其实特别模糊。

The lines of what is an accident can really be blurred pretty clearly.

你觉得这轮系列赛会怎么发展？

What do you think is gonna happen in this series?

这完全看伤病情况。

It is so injury dependent.

如果J Dub没法上场，天啊，这还得看马刺队到底有多少能控球的球员。

I think if J Dub is not able to play, god, it just it really depends on how many ball handlers the Spurs have too.

我觉得如果J Dub打不了，马刺反而占优势。

I am inclined to say if J Dub doesn't play, the Spurs have the upper hand in it.

他们现在已经稍微占了上风。

That they they've now taken a little a little bit of a tilt in their favor.

我说这话是因为J Dub太关键了，而且我们看到Shay在场上把一切都读得清清楚楚——无论是把球分给队友，还是在进攻中找准时机。

And I say that just because J Dub is so important and because we saw Shay, like, read everything so perfectly, both in terms of spraying out to other players, but also picking his spots on offense.

一旦马刺知道J Dub不上场，他们就能有针对性地布置防守，那难度就大得多。

That just gets so much harder when the Spurs have a chance to game plan for the reality that J Dub isn't out there.

所以你们就得更多指望Alex Caruso能持续成为进攻点和得分威胁，虽然第一场他确实做到了，但平时并不总是这样。

And so you're gonna to rely a lot more on Alex Caruso being a real offensive player and a scoring threat all the time, which certainly was the case in game one, but isn't

顺便说一句，他整个赛季都没能稳定发挥，不是吗？

all By the way, the hasn't been consistently reliable throughout the course of his No.

就连去年季后赛，他也像Josh Artis一样，时好时坏，身体对抗很强。

Even the playoffs last year, he's a little Josh Artis, hard ish, hitter Yeah.

状态起伏很大。

Hit or miss.

有些比赛里，他的投篮就是怎么都不进。

There's games when he just they're not going in.

他确实能制造机会，但第一场那种表现，简直是我见过的角色球员巅峰之作，不可能指望他每场都这样。

Makes plays happen, but game one was literally like one of the best role player performances I've ever seen in my life, so that cannot be the expectation for who he's gonna be.

还有AJ米切尔，他正在慢慢适应这个系列赛，前提是——就像我们之前说的——他得够健康能上场。

Also, AJ Mitchell's kind of figuring out his way into the series if, as we alluded to, he's even healthy enough to go.

一旦杰·杜布不在，俄城接下来该靠谁了？说实话，人选真的很难找， partly 因为这不是切特能靠进攻主导的系列赛。

So the the next guys up for OKC after Shea without J Dub, I think, are really difficult, and that's in part because this is not a Chet offensive series.

无论从哪个角度看，他都不太可能在这轮系列赛里成为统治级得分手。

This is not a matchup he can be a dominant scorer in by basically any way.

他可能会有一场拿18分，但你根本感觉不到那是18分，因为他从不硬来。

So he might have a game where he has 18, but it doesn't feel like 18 because he's not forcing the issue.

他从不强打。

He's not pushing.

他从不冲击篮下。

He's not attacking.

对他来说，这些进球都只是碰巧得来的，我觉得。

It's just kind of like circumstantial baskets for him, I think.

系列赛的赔率变了。

The series odds shifted.

一天前还势均力敌，现在OKC已经降到-162了。

They were dead even a day ago, and now it's OKC minus one sixty two.

我不确定这背后是不是有内幕消息。

So I don't know if that means there's inside info.

杰·威尔回来了。

Jay Will comes back.

不过这系列赛确实精彩。

Awesome series, though.

我的意思是，昨天除了SGA表现神勇，整体球风谈不上漂亮，但就是让人看得停不下来。

I mean, yesterday, other than how well SGA played, it wasn't like the prettiest basketball game, it was and riveting.

要是我是圣安东尼奥这边，我甚至觉得自己没打多好，半场还丢了哈珀，可还是咬着没掉队。

And I thought, if you're San Antonio, I didn't even feel like I played well, and I lost Harper midway through the game, and I was still hanging around, hanging around.

是的

Yeah.

还剩三四分钟的时候落后两分，对吧？

Down two with like what, three, four minutes left?

我真得逼着雷霆做出一些关键发挥，我觉得苏亚雷斯确实打出了不少好球。

And I really had to make OKC make some plays, and I thought SGA, you know, really did some good stuff.

更重要的是，雷霆现在彻底成了全美公认的反派球队。

And more importantly, OKC has really now settled into the role as America's villain.

我觉得他们已经接受了这个角色。

I think they've embraced it.

对

Yeah.

我觉得他们的球迷心里想的就是：我们对抗他们。

I think their fans, it's us against them for the fans.

这事儿以前也发生在我看爱国者队的时候。

This happened to the Patriots with me.

一旦你真正投入进去，一旦你全心接受，那感觉真的很棒。

Once, you have to buy in officially, and once you officially buy in, it's great.

你就会觉得全世界都跟咱作对，随时都竖着中指，什么事都往心里去。

You're just like, everyone's against us, you're just your middle fingers are out at all times, you're you're constantly, you know, taking everything personally.

这种状态其实特别带劲。

It's a great place to be.

他们真该好好享受这段时光。

They they should savor this and enjoy it.

如果雷霆真像你所说的，有点像当年的爱国者队，那这会让他们更讨你喜欢吗？

So if the Thunder are, to borrow your framing, a little Patriots ish, does that endear them to you at all?

他们的反派形象，会让你更喜欢这支队伍吗？

Does their villainy make them a more appealing team to you?

我就是受不了他们假摔。

I just I don't like the flopping.

我真的不喜欢这种做法。

I just am not a fan.

是的。

Yeah.

我不喜欢这种行为。

I don't like it.

我不喜欢别的球队球员这么做。

I don't like when guys on other teams do it.

我甚至觉得雷霆队在这方面最拿手。

I almost feel like the Thunder are the best at it.

有人说他们专门练习过这个。

There's theories that they practice it.

每场比赛后，网上都会冒出十几段相关的视频。

Every game, there's 10 videos afterwards of different things that come out of it.

但对我来说，我不觉得他们非得这么打不可。

Part But of the thing for me is I don't necessarily think they have to play that way.

他们天赋实在太高了。

They're so talented.

我不太明白，他们为什么会接受这种风格。

I don't fully understand it, why they bought into that style.

这招对他们确实管用，但我就是不喜欢。

It obviously works for them, but I just don't like it.

其实有两个问题：他们到底有多强？

I mean, there's the two conversations of like, how good are they?

很明显，他们非常出色。

And clearly, they're amazing.

他们是冠军级别的球队。

They're a championship team.

他们每场比赛都按这个标准来打。

They play to that standard literally every night.

另一个问题是，你看他们比赛觉得有多过瘾？

And then there's the how much do you enjoy watching them?

这完全取决于你愿不愿意忽略那些东西。

And that really comes down to how much appetite you have for ignoring some of that stuff.

我觉得，如果你把任何球队最让人烦的那15%的行为都堆在一起，每支球队都有些让人抓狂的小毛病，不管是

I think if you if you just pile up the 15% of most annoying behavior of basically any team, every team's got some stuff going on that's that's that really gets under your skin, whether it's

对。

Yeah.

抱怨裁判、出手选择，还是故意摔倒，

Whether it's complaining to the officials, whether it's the shot selection, whether it is the flopping.

这纯粹是个人口味的问题。

It's just a matter of taste.

对我来说，我愿意忽略很多这些事，因为我真的很享受看雷霆队其他方面的表现，他们那些地方打得确实顶尖。

And like for me, I'm willing to like overlook a lot of it because I really do like watching all the other stuff that the Thunder do at just like an a a plus level.

所以没错。

So Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这部分对我来说是值得的，但你也不能随便否定别人的感受，如果他们说‘这比赛看得真糟’。

That part is a payoff for me, but you you can't just like write off somebody's experience if they say, oh, this is an this is a bad watch.

看这个真让人烦。

This is annoying to watch.

这可不是我愿意花时间做的事。

This is not what I like to spend time doing.

每天下班后，我还得硬着头皮看雷霆的比赛录像，感觉他们老是在罚球线上折腾。

You know, when I'm clocking out for my day, and now I gotta like grind through Thunder tape because it feels like they're at the free throw line all the time.

我能理解为什么这会让人觉得是负担，但他们也确实

I get why that would be a chore, but they're also

可比不上卢卡每次判罚后都抱怨个没完，那才叫真烦。

It's fucking not quite as bad as Luca complaining after every single call.

在我看来，那简直是满分的烦人。

Like to me, that's a 10 out of 10.

我最受不了的就是这个。

I just hate that probably the most.

不是每个球都能吹犯规的，卢卡。

Not everything can be a foul on you, Luca.

不会。

No.

但幸运的是，我们没得为他操心太久。

But fortunately, we didn't have to worry about him for that long.

来回答几个邮件里的问题。

Some mailbag questions.

好的。

Okay.

这是来自凯文的。

This is from Kevin.

我是在怀特塞德砍下41分24助攻的第二天写的这封信。

I'm writing this the day after Wembeys forty one and twenty four against OKC.

如果真有证据表明怀特塞德根本不是人类，而是外星人，而且我们还知道去哪儿找更多像他那样的，这会影响你对NBA的兴趣吗？

If it came out that Wembe actually was an alien, that he was legitimately not human at all, and we knew where to find more Wembeys like him out there, would that affect your interest level in the NBA?

如果真有非人类的存在，我觉得我会因此更感兴趣。

I think it would for me if we had non humans.

我问这个问题的意思是，有人真信维姆比是外星人，还特意写了这么一封邮件发过来。

My point with that question is somebody was convinced that Wemby might be an alien and crafted that and sent it in.

这部分我觉得挺可信的。

That part is believable to me.

真正让我惊掉下巴的是，他们居然说能确定他来自哪儿，还能找到——

The part that sent me over the top was that, oh, we can ascertain where he came from find

再弄几个来。

Get more.

比如去《阿凡达》那个星球，把更多维姆比抓来打比赛。

Find, you know, like, go to go to the Avatar planet and pull more Wembys down here in a play.

这会影响你对联盟的兴趣吗？

Would it affect our interest in the league?

我的意思是，如果真有外星人参与，你怎么可能不感兴趣？

I mean, I think if there's a literal alien involved, how does that not affect your interest in the league?

不管发生什么，这不反而让事情更有趣了吗？

How does that not make it more interesting, whatever is happening?

这会带来超棒的中场秀和早间节目，还有各种深度分析文章。

It would lead to amazing halftime shows and morning shows and think pieces.

人类是不是已经失控了，连NBA都管不住了？

Have humans lost control of the NBA?

更多精彩，马上回来。

That's coming up next.

说真的，连地球都顾不好，还谈什么美国优先呢？

I mean, it's hard to be America first when you can't even be Earth first, you know?

那些评论员肯定得热闹坏了。

The talking heads would have a field day.

来自圣路易斯的Mike问，

Mike from St.

马刺的后场组合卡斯尔和哈珀，是不是自水花兄弟以来最令人兴奋的年轻后场？

Louis asks, Is the Spurs backcourt of Castle and Harper the most exciting young backcourt since the Splash Brothers?

还有哪对年轻后卫组合让你像他们一样如此激动？

What other young guard tandems got you hot and bothered like these guys?

他们已经是队里第二和第三号球员了，才二十岁和二十一岁，还打进了西部决赛。

They're already the second and third best players in their team, and they're twenty and twenty one, and then the Western Finals.

确实如此。

Yeah.

这是个很好的问题。

Really good question.

勇士的水花兄弟就是个绝佳的例子。

Splash Brothers is great example.

大概从2013年左右开始出现这种情况。

That started to happen, 2013 range.

不过库里当时年纪稍大一点，已经二十多岁了，还上过三年大学。

Curry was a little older though, he was in his mid twenties at that point, had been in college for three years.

我一直在想，本以为能马上列出更多例子，结果发现真很难想到有哪对年轻后场组合像他们这样让人看得过瘾。

I was trying to think, I thought more people would come to mind, and it was really tough to think of two young guards in the same backcourt that were this fun to watch.

我勉强想到的，只有2009年公牛队短暂组合过的罗斯和戈登这对后场。

The closest I could come was the Derrick Rose, Ben Gordon backcourt that the Bulls had for a split second in 2009.

你还记得吗？

Remember that?

当然记得。

Sure.

当罗斯刚进联盟时，戈登在季后赛对凯尔特人的系列赛里表现惊人，大家都觉得他可能是下一个受伤前的托尼。

So when Rose was a rookie, Gordon had that great playoff series against Boston, and felt like he was the next injured Tony.

那时候真让人惊叹，这后场组合太强了。

And it was like, wow, what a backcourt.

再过十年，戈登第二年就去了活塞，但像这样一对年轻后场搭档确实少见。

Ten more years, and then Gordon left the next year and went to Detroit, and But it was it's pretty rare to have two young guards like this.

通常情况下，两个后卫根本没法共存，比如杰德和艾维，或者凯德那种组合。

Usually it's two guards who can't play together, like a Jade and Ivy and a Kade and things like that.

或者斯特凡和蒙特·埃利斯。

Or a Stefan and Monte Ellis.

到了某个阶段，你只能二选一。

It's like you gotta pick one at a certain point.

另一个球员就会被换掉，留给下一轮的阵容。

The other guy is jettisoned into the next version of your team.

我的意思是，就算你扩大到老将组合，这种情况也太罕见了——这两个人不仅年轻，还这么出色，但并不是所有年龄段的优秀控卫组合都能这么有看头。

I mean, even even if you expand it into veteran groups, like, this is so unique because these guys are so good and so young, but it's not as if there are just great guard guard combinations of any age that are this interesting.

就我个人而言，斯蒂芬·卡斯特尔和迪伦·哈珀，绝对是我觉得联盟里最值得一看的十到十五名球员之一。

Like, for me personally, Stephon Castle and Dylan Harper are, like, among my maybe top 10 to 15 most watchable players in the sport, period.

我同意。

I agree.

所以，只要是马刺的比赛，我一场都不想错过。

And so, like, I am dialed in on every Spurs game I can get my hands on.

尤其是现在这种局面，不管他们俩是搭档上场还是各自单飞，都特别有意思。

Like, especially a run like this has been so fun to watch when they're out there together or apart.

我觉得真的很难有别的组合能跟他们比。

I think it's really hard to compete with that.

现在联盟里我能想到的另一对年轻后场组合，就是拉梅洛和凯恩了——我们确实很喜欢他们俩搭档。

The only other young tandem I can think of in the league right now is I mean, we do love LaMelo and Khan together.

这组合确实挺有意思，但根本没法比。

Like, that is that's a fun pairing for sure, but it's it's nowhere near.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得坎恩其实打的是前锋吧，你觉得呢？

I feel like Khan's a forward too, don't you?

我的意思是，这

I I mean, it's

有点吧。

like Sort of.

他、布兰登·米勒，场上位置都挺灵活的。

Him him, Brandon Miller, like, it's it's all kind of a little fluid out there.

是的。

Yeah.

不过

But

说到后卫组合，像克里斯·保罗和布克，他们在菲尼克斯那段时间打得真不错。

Well, when you're talking guards, like Chris Paul and Booker had that nice little Phoenix run.

要是回溯到七八十年代，我们当时最厉害的组合是丹尼斯·约翰逊和古斯·威廉姆斯，连续两年打进总决赛。

We that was really had, if you go back to the seventies and eighties, you know, we had the The best one was the Dennis Johnson, Gus Williams one that made the finals in two straight years.

这两个人都还很年轻。

Those guys are both young.

都才二十多岁。

They're both in their mid twenties.

所以咱们以前也出现过类似的组合。

So we've had had something like that.

是的。

Yeah.

或者你要往前看，年轻时的帕克和吉诺比利也算个不错的参照。

Or or Young Parker and Ginobili might be a might be a good comp if you wanna reach back a little bit.

这两个人都

Both those guys were

这个组合真不错。

That's a great one.

他们比这两个人狂野多了。

They were much wilder than these two.

那时候场上就像有两个史蒂夫·卡塞尔在打，虽然挺有意思的。

It was like two Steph Castles out there a lot of the time, but that can be fun too.

纳什和芬利那会儿也挺带劲的。

Nash and Findlay was fun for a little bit there.

当然了。

Of course.

是啊，确实有过不少不错的组合。

Yeah, there's been some good ones.

这是杰弗里发来的。

This is from Jeffrey.

他听了我的《波拉特》重看系列，还有俄克拉荷马城那场一战的分析。

He listened to my Borat rewatchables, and then the breakdown of game one of OKC.

在那部电影里，巴塔特提到过‘浪漫爆炸’，他还想知道现在谁是你的‘浪漫爆炸阵容’——就是那些让你看球看得特别爽的球员组合。

And Borat in that movie talks about having a romance explosion, and he wants to know what the current romantic explosion team is, the guys you would construct around your personal enjoyment.

你刚才已经提到了两个你最喜欢的球员，那你觉得最好的组合该是什么样？

What would be the best, you just mentioned two of your favorite players.

对。

Yep.

如果你要组一个真正说得通的五人阵容，作为你的‘浪漫爆炸团队’，你会怎么选？

So if you put a team that would actually make sense together of five guys, that would be your romance explosion team, what would it be?

天哪。

Oh my god.

你一边想，我一边帮你数。

I can start as you think of it.

好，你讲。

Please.

我先定下三个：约基奇、文班亚马和库里，剩下的两个我再围绕他们来搭配。

I have Joker, Wemby, and Steph as three of the five, and then I'm just gonna work around them.

反正我最爱看的就是这三部分。

So those are my three favorite parts to watch anyway.

对。

Yep.

我还在想，如果哈里伯顿能保持健康，明年他状态满格的话。

And I was thinking healthy Halliburton, assume we're having him healthy next year.

这样就有斯蒂芬和哈里伯顿，两人都能持球也能无球，都能空切。

And I get Steph and Halliburton who can both play with or without the ball, and they can both cut.

那在杰克逊、文班亚马之后，第五个人选谁？

Joker, Wemby, who's my fifth in this scenario?

谁是个既好看又容易配合的射手？

Who's a shooter that's fun to watch and play with?

我差点就想选阿隆·戈登了，毕竟他被安排在扣篮手的位置上。

I almost just wanted to put Aaron Gordon in there because they put him in the dunker spot.

我也特别喜欢这个安排。

I do love that.

让他多打些底角三分，然后他就负责掩护，做些其他配合。

Put some corner threes, and then he could just set picks and do stuff.

这样算下来，我大概凑齐了四个。

That was probably I have four.

第五个我实在想不出来了。

I couldn't get there with the fifth.

但你是真想赢球，还是就图个观赏性爆炸？

But so are you trying to win, or are you just trying to have a romantic explosion?

我就喜欢看这些球员打球。

Just like I love watching all these guys.

简直不敢相信他们能一起上场。

I can't believe they're all playing together.

我看得特别开心。

I'm having a great time.

对。

Yes.

我觉得这么多天才凑在一起，这种场面根本写不出来。

I think the collision of all that talent is kinda hard to write.

特别是斯蒂芬、约基奇和文班亚马这三个人的组合。

Like, in particular, the Steph Jokic Wemby part.

我超爱看约基奇打球。

I love I love watching Jokic.

我喜欢看他怎么拆解比赛，但对我个人来说，斯蒂芬和文班亚马才是最关键的。

I love watching him dissect the game, but, like, Steph and Wemby are are the important elements of that for me personally.

明白了。

Okay.

那我先从这两个人说起。

And so, like, I would start with those two.

我希望他们中间能有特别有活力的球员。

I want, like, really kinetic players between them.

比如杰伦·约翰逊那种类型的。

Like, I want I want Jalen Johnson types.

特别灵活，啥都能干一点，但别像老鹰队今年那样让他负担过重。

Like, super fluid, can do a little bit of everything, but, like, aren't being overtaxed in the way that the hawks overtaxed him over the course of this year.

不过我觉得咱们得有点防守能力。

But I feel like we need some defense.

难道不是吗？

Do we not?

我喜欢看

Like, I like watching

所以我才把亚南拉来加强防守。

That's why I brought Yanan to the defense.

阿隆·戈登就是个很好的选择。

Aaron Gordon's a great one.

我觉得我差不多可以把亚南也算进这一类。

I I think I almost might put Yanan in this group.

我特别喜欢看亚南打球。

Like, I really like watching Yanan.

他还活着。

He's alive.

亚南还活着。

Yanan is alive.

他回来了。

He's back.

他身体状况很好。

He's healthy.

理论上他已经离开密尔沃基了。

He's theoretically out of Milwaukee.

我不太清楚我们现在处于什么情况。

I don't know where we are in this scenario.

但扬尼斯，我不必非得当超级巨星。

But Giannis of like, I don't have to be the superstar.

我跟这些队友一起打球，只要当世界上最好的防守球员，同时随时在快攻中保持侵略性，这样的球员我一定要有。

I'm playing with these other guys, and I can just be, like, the best defensive player in the world and also an aggressive open court weapon at all times, that's a guy I want part of this formula.

我要给你组一支年轻球员的浪漫爆发阵容。

I'm gonna give you my young guy romance explosion team.

好的。

Okay.

马西、哈珀、汗、弗拉格、克林贡。

Maxi, Harper, Khan, Flag, Klingon.

走起。

Let's go.

你需要擦擦汗吗？

Do you need a towel off?

克林贡在篮下镇守。

I got Klingon protecting the rim.

汗在外线拉开空间。

I got Khan spreading the floor.

马西和哈珀来回冲刺，弗拉格就在那边干着他那套独特的事儿。

I got Maxi and Harper going up and down, and I got Flag over here just doing flag things.

总得有个

There's gotta a

说实话，我觉得这话说得挺有道理。

great I say this with all due respect.

这支队伍里肯定有比多诺万·克林贡更好的人选。

There has to be a better guy than Donovan Klingon for this team.

肯定有更好的选择。

Has to be a better option.

我只是需要个能防守的人。

I just needed somebody who could play defense.

切特不是个不错的选择吗？

I mean, Chet off the board?

我们对切特的评价就这么低，直接就放弃他了？

Are we so down on Chet, we're just throwing him out?

是啊，切特其实挺合适的。

Yeah, Chet would be pretty good.