第76集：与Kwanchai Moriya畅谈桌游、艺术与腌黄瓜的热门话题

2025年飞逝而过，虽然我不想催促时间，但我已经为十一月感到兴奋不已，因为那是BGG桌游展。哇哦！我超爱这种纯粹玩游戏的桌游大会。BGG展就是我最爱的快乐天地之一。想想看，还有什么地方能让你玩到一堆来自Gen Con和埃森展的热门新作，同时还能在庞大的游戏图书馆里发现古怪的老古董珍品？

2025 is flying by, and I'm not trying to rush it, but I'm already pumped for November because it's BGG Con. Woo hoo. I just love board game conventions that are all about playing games. So BGG Con is one of my favorite happy places. I mean, where else can you go and play a bunch of hot new releases from Gen Con and Essen, and also discover weird old hidden gems in a massive game library?

今年秋天11月19日至23日，加入我们齐聚达拉斯市中心的凯悦酒店。更多详情及购票请访问boardgamegeek.com/bggcon。期待与你相见。大家好，欢迎收听第76期Board Game Geek播客，在这里我们会狂热探讨桌游、背后的机制以及创造它们的人们。我是主持人坎迪斯·哈里斯。

Join us this fall at the Hyatt Regency in Downtown Dallas from November 19 to the twenty third. For more details and to grab your badge, head to boardgamegeek.com/bggcon. Hope to see you there. Hello, and welcome to episode 76 of the Board Game Geek podcast, where we geek out about board games, the mechanisms behind them, and the people who create them. I'm your host, Candace Harris.

我超级兴奋能和我们最爱的桌游插画师之一——权奇·莫里亚同处一室。权奇，最近怎么样？

And I am super pumped to be sitting here in the same room as one of our favorite board game illustrators, Quan Chi Moria. Quan Chi, how's it going?

能来这里太棒了，坎迪斯。谢谢你邀请我。我现在被这些山丘包围着。这

It is so good to be here, Candace. Thank you for having me here. I am surrounded by the all the hills. This

太惊人了。谢谢，谢谢。是啊，我正努力控制场面。

is amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I'm trying to get it under control.

这取决于你哪天来这个房间，可能会看到非常整洁的景象，也可能会是

It's like depending on which day of the week you pop in this room, it might be, like, really organized or

对，现在就是糟糕的状态。不，我只是

Yeah. This is the bad job right now. No. I'm just

我本来想让权奇签个免责声明：如果录音时被堆倒的东西砸到，不得起诉。他绝对不能起诉。

I I was gonna make Quanti sign something that said, if a pile falls on him while we're recording, cannot sue. He cannot sue.

我们家里有个两岁孩子，所以不得不挪动我的架子，上面大概有...多少来着，两百到三百款游戏

We we have a two year old at home and so we've had to move my shelf, which is about, like, what, two two hundred, 300 games

好吧。

Okay.

冲进走廊。所以他不仅仅是，像，猛地拽起东西，然后真的，像一场加州地震砸在他头上，可怜的孩子。

Into the hallway. So he's not just, like, yanking things up and literally, like, a California earthquake dropping on his head, poor kid.

这这太搞笑了。所以，是的，这是我们第二次在洛杉矶聚在一起。对，来玩游戏。我想，我有时在尼亚加拉大瀑布见到你。

That's that's hilarious. So, yeah, this is, like, the second time we've gotten together in LA Yeah. To play games. I guess, I see you sometimes in Niagara Falls.

我在其他州更常见到你。

I see you more often in other states.

有时候事情就是这样发展的。但是，是的，很高兴你能来。你就像我一直想邀请来我的播客的人之一。我喜欢和你一起玩游戏。对。我喜欢你的艺术。

That's that's kind of the way it seems to work out sometime. But, yeah, it's great to have you here. You're, like, one of those people that I've always wanted to have on the podcast with me. I love playing games with you and Yeah. I love your art.

谢谢。是的。你就是一个很酷的人。所以很高兴能和你在这里聊天。

Thank you. And yeah. You're just you're just a cool human being. So it's it's great to have you here for a chat.

是的。我太兴奋了。

Yes. I'm so excited.

你知道Quanti为什么兴奋吗？因为今天，我们将要揭晓，截至2025年8月，Quan Chi最喜欢的桌游是什么。

You know why Quanti is excited? Because today, we are gonna find out, as of August 2025, what Quan Chi's favorite board games are.

哦，是的。

Oh, yes.

这是你一生都在等待听到的东西。不，我只是开玩笑。但是是的。但当我跟Quanti聊到录制的时候，你知道，我们聊了新游戏，但那没什么。

This is the stuff that you've been waiting to hear for your entire life. No. I'm just kidding. But yeah. But when I was talking to Quanti about, like, recording, you know, we talked about, like, talked about new games, but it's like, that's fine.

但我想知道，而且我相信其他人也想知道，Quan Chi在不画画的时候玩什么？

But I wanna know, and I'm sure other people out there wanna know, like, what is Quan Chi playing when he's not painting?

是啊。

Yeah.

所以这就是我们今天要聊的内容。而且，说不定我还会对那些游戏发表一些评论。

So so that's what we're gonna chat about today. And, you know, maybe I'll throw in some commentary on those games.

绝对要的。

Definitely.

但在我们深入探讨Quanti的五大游戏之前，我很想听听你最近在玩哪些游戏，它们可能出现在你的前五名里，也可能不在。我们还不清楚，待会儿就知道了。

But before we get into Quanti's top five games, I'd love to hear what games you've been playing recently, which may or may not be on your top five. We don't know. We'll find

没错。

out. Yeah.

那我们就直接聊聊新鲜的游戏体验吧。

So let's jump into fresh plays.

我感觉我最近玩的新游戏算不上是最新最新的那种。是啊，我觉得自己有点被积压的游戏拖住了进度。

I feel like my newer games that I've played aren't gonna be, like, the newest newest games. Yeah. I feel like my I'm kinda backlogged on stuff.

说实话，我挺惊讶你还能有时间玩游戏，因为你肯定超级超级忙。

I mean, honestly, like, I'm surprised that you get to play any games because you must be super duper busy.

是啊。而且我不确定你在行业的这一侧是否也有同感，但你知道，我们经常要玩很多原型版本的游戏，因为经常要去参加展会之类的，很多时候你会遇到设计师朋友，然后说‘来试试这个游戏吧’，结果往往是他们的原型版本。

Yeah. And I don't know if you you have this as much doing your specific side of the industry, but, you know, playing a lot of prototypes often, like, because of so, like, it's sometimes hard because we're going to conventions and stuff, and a lot of times you're seeing that your friend designer and you're like, let's try a game, and it's often, you know, the prototype version of them.

确实。对。

So Yeah. Yeah.

但除此之外，我一直在玩游戏。通常是双人版的游戏，晚上孩子睡着后和妻子或其他人一起玩。最近玩的是《森林洗牌》及其两个扩展包。

But besides that, I have been playing games. Often, it's like two player versions of games that that I'm just playing at night after the the kid is down with my wife or whoever is. The most recent thing I played is Forest Shuffle with both both expansions.

这不是真的。

That's not true.

哦，你说得对。

Oh, you're right.

最近玩的是

The most recent thing is

就在大约两分钟前，我们玩了Stonemaier的《Vantage》。

As of, like, two minutes ago, we've played Stonemaier's Vantage.

是的。

Yes.

我甚至不知道它已经上线了。

Which I didn't even know had come up.

这不在你的视角范围内。

That was not in your viewpoint.

但它很棒。目前为止很有趣。是的。

But it's great. It's it's it's fun so far. Yeah.

我们开始了一局游戏。大概进行到一半吧，我也不确定。所以这只是非常早期的印象，甚至还没玩完一整局。

We started a game. We're probably, like, midway through. I don't know. It's hard to tell. So, like, just very early early impressions, like, not even having played a full game.

这很简洁。我们正在玩一个双人游戏。对于不了解这款游戏的人来说，《Vantage》是由Jamie Stegmeier设计的，来自Stonemeyer Games。大约一个月前刚发布，我想就在GenCon之前。

It's neat. We're we're playing a two player game. For people who don't know about this game, Vantage is designed by Jamie Stegmeier. It's from Stonemeyer Games. Just came out about a month ago, I think just ahead of GenCon.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这是一款合作游戏，我们被投放到这个世界或某个星球上之类的。

And it's a cooperative game where we get dropped in this world or on a planet or something.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我们不是——我们被分开了。

But we are not we get separated.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我们原本在一个团队里，后来分开了。游戏中每位玩家会有一张代表他们位置的卡片，上面有精美的艺术设计。每个人都在不同的地点，但我们正在描述我们所看到的景象等等。

So we were in a crew. We got separated. And each player in this game is gonna have a card that's representing their location, and there's nice art on there. And so, like, everybody is in different locations, but we're describing, like, what we're seeing and such.

嗯，是的。就像你所在位置的视角就是那个区域的第一人称视角，你可以采取各种不同的行动。感觉它和《Earthborne Rangers》或《七大洲》（或《七城堡》，我记不清了）这类游戏风格相似。

Mhmm. Yeah. And it's like the view of the location where you're at is the vantage point of that your first person point of view of that of that area, and there's all these different actions you can take at that location. I feel like it's it's in the vein of games like Earthborne Rangers or Yeah. Seven Continent or Seven Citadel, I forget them.

可能两者都有。

Both probably.

对，对。但它更利落。你能看出Stonemire开发团队打磨过，去除了很多粗糙的部分。

Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's it's it's snappier. Yeah. You could tell the Stonemire development crew has been in there and like, you know, smooth out a lot of the rough edges.

我们也遇到过一些不错的惊喜。

We've had some nice surprises too.

是啊。你知道，就像很多游戏会借鉴其他游戏的机制，而我觉得它很好地融合了这类玩法——比如从牌堆里找到498号卡牌然后执行行动。对，这部分做得非常棒。

Yeah. You know, it's like, you know, there's a lot of games that take mechanics that build on other games, and I feel like it's taking the best of those kind of, like, go into the stack of cards, find card number four ninety eight, and then read the action. Yeah. It's it's doing that very well.

没错。顺便感谢你教我玩

Yeah. And thank you, by the way, for teaching

不客气。

No problem.

教我们玩这个。但这款游戏特别之处在于，我们不需要一开始就了解所有细节规则，因为本质上是在探索这个世界——比如你可以直接说'我要和这个有意识的生物调情'，然后看看会发生什么，这种体验很有趣。

Teaching it. But it's, like, it's one of those games where we kind of were, like, we don't need to know every single detailed rule going into it because it's, you know, you're exploring this world and it's kind of a really fun, like, just saying, like, oh, I'm gonna flirt with this sentient, you know, and see what happens.

对，完全同意。

Yeah. Totally.

所以目前体验很棒。我猜游戏目标是完成某个任务？我们最终会发现自己的命运吗？还是说...

So it's pretty cool so far. And I guess the the goal of the game is you have, like, a mission. And did we ever do we discover our destiny? Or

等等。希望我没记错规则，Candace，但我觉得我们还没触发命运线。

Okay. Hopefully, I didn't read the rules wrong, Candace, but I don't think we had a destiny yet.

好吧。

Okay.

我们确实有个初始任务，要赚取30信用点之类的，在记录表上有写。但还没推进到命运线部分。

We did have a starter mission, which was garner enough credits, 30 credits or something like that Yeah. On the sheet, but we hadn't yet gotten to the destiny.

我赌了几把。

I did some gambling.

你赌了几把

You did some

哦不不，我是说...

Or no no. I I was it

你偷东西了？

You stole?

我偷了。天啊。

I stole. Oh my god.

18美元。我的天。太糟糕了。你做的第一件事就是偷窃。

$18. Oh my god. Terrible. It was like the first thing you did was stolen.

我太差劲了。这就是为什么我必须拯救那个我一直调情的智能体。

I'm terrible. That's why I had to save the sentient that I've been flirting with.

没错。

That's right.

是啊。总之我们在玩Vantage，目前我们俩都玩得挺开心的。

Yeah. But yeah. So we're we're playing Vantage. We're, you know, both enjoying it so far. Yeah.

我期待着能完整通关一次，然后多玩几次。

I'm looking forward to, like, finishing a game at some point and, you know, playing it more and more

是啊。

Yeah.

因为我觉得这游戏里会有很多值得探索的内容。卡牌数量太庞大了。

Because I think there's gonna be a lot to discover in this game. There's so many cards.

没错。我之前和你说过，坎迪斯，我当时就在想，谁会做这种游戏啊？工作量太大了。我读规则手册背面时，杰米说这游戏花了八年时间制作。这是个，你知道的，像是一个幻想项目，要整合内容还要绘制插图，天哪，我完全相信。

Yeah. I mean, I said this to you earlier, Candace, but I was like, who makes a game like this? It's so much work. I was reading the back of the the the rule book and Jamie was like, this is eight years in the making. It was a, like, a a, you know, a fantasy project to put together and illustrate and I gosh, I believe it.

因为所有东西都必须，你知道的，严丝合缝地组合在一起，太疯狂了。

Because everything's gotta, you know, It's click into each it's crazy.

是啊。而且有些内容我甚至不打算告诉别人，因为当时也让我们很惊喜。嗯。那个设计真的太酷了，就像'哇塞'的感觉。对。除此之外，每个人都有自己的版图，一个三乘三的格子，你要在上面放置卡牌，比如人物或者...

Yeah. And then there's something I'm not even gonna tell anybody because it surprised us Mhmm. That was really cool and it's like, oh my gosh. Yeah. And, like, you know, aside from that, you everybody has their own, like, tableau, a three by three grid, and where you're gonna be placing cards like people or yeah.

我猜，像是遇到的人物或物品，获得的各种道具

I guess, like, people or things you encounter, different items you get

对。

Yeah.

都会放进这个版图里，然后你要做些测试。需要掷骰子。所有配件质量都很好。没错。我应该提一下，我收到了游戏的评测版，但后来又买了升级配件，因为我觉得'我要好好玩这个游戏'。

Are gonna go into this tableau, and you do some tests. You're gonna be rolling dice. All the components are really nice. Yep. I should mention, I I got a review copy of the game, but then I bought the upgrades because I was like, I'm gonna play this style.

确实如此。而且你还做了不少自己的升级配件。

Yes, you did. And made plenty of your own upgrades.

噢，没错。我用3D打印了个内衬。对。谢谢你提到这个，我想借此机会感谢所有设计这些STL文件的人，因为我最近疯狂打印别人设计的3D内衬，他们的设计让我叹为观止。

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I three d printed an insert. Yeah. And thank you for bringing that up because I would like to just say, thank you to everyone out there who designs these STL files so that because I've been going nuts lately, printing three d inserts that other people are designing, and I'm so impressed.

能把我最喜欢的游戏整理得井井有条真的让我特别开心，光是看着就忍不住微笑。

It brings me so much joy to, like, have my favorite games organized. Just makes me smile.

是啊。只要你制作过STL文件，它肯定就藏在这房子的某个角落。如果是桌游收纳盒，那绝对就在这——

Yeah. If you made an STL file at some point, it exists in this house somewhere. If if it's a if it's a board game insert, it's in this

房子的某个地方。所以谢谢你，真的谢谢你。好了，除了《Vantage》，你最近还在玩什么？

house somewhere. So thank you. So thank you. Okay. So besides Vantage, what else have you been playing lately?

除此之外，我两年前在Pax Unplugged试玩《森林洗牌》时就爱上了它，后来买了《阿尔卑斯》扩展包和其他扩展。我超喜欢动物，这游戏里有各种动物互动，它们和树木玩耍还能得分。虽然机制不算新颖，但整体设计简洁轻快又有趣——

Besides that, I I I loved Forest Shuffle when I tried it at Pax Unplugged two years ago, and I bought the Alpine expansion and some other expansion. I really like animals, and it's got so many animals and they're they're they play with each other and the trees, you know, and you get points. It's a thing I've seen before in games, but, the the whole package overall is simple. It's small. It's fun.

画面精美，不同种类的啄木鸟和蝙蝠还会吃橡果，简直太棒了。

It's nice. It's pretty. And, yeah, like, different kinds of woodpeckers and bats and they eat acorns. Come on. It's great.

哪里还能看到蝙蝠吃橡果啊？这是扩展包新增的内容吗？我只玩过基础版。

Where else are you gonna see bats eating acorns? Is that from the expand like, what does the expansion add? Because I've only played the base game.

就是更多相同元素。虽然新增机制会让原有玩法稍微稀释，但本质还是那个味道。如果你本来就喜欢，扩展包绝对值得入手。

It's just more of the same. It it does kinda dilute the existing mechanics a little bit because there's additional mechanics in interactions, but it's more of the same. If you liked it already, the expansions are essentially offer more, and it's good.

有时候整理游戏带给我的快乐不亚于实际游玩。虽然听起来有点疯，但我知道不止我这样。我还喜欢用升级配件来装饰最爱游戏——不仅美观趁手，还能加速准备和收纳。访问boardgamegeekstore.com选购高级配件：各色收纳袋/碗、牌盒、牌套、卡牌架等。说到升级配件，怎能不提闪亮的Geek Up Bits？适用于多款游戏，包括我们最畅销的Quax Geek Up Bits。

Sometimes I enjoy organizing my games just as much as actually playing them. I know it sounds crazy, but I know I'm not alone here. I also love blinging out my favorite games with upgrades and accessories that not only look good and feel good, but they also speed up setup and tear down time. Visit boardgamegeekstore.com for premium gaming accessories and upgrades, like bags and bowls in a variety of colors and sizes, deck boxes, sleeves, cardholders, and more. And when I say more, you know I'm talking about those shiny beautiful Geek Up Bits, which are available for a bunch of different games, including our best selling Quax Geek Up Bits.

再没有比这更奢华的调配药水方式了。快上boardgamegeeksstore.com为你的游戏添置新装备吧。话说回来...我最近有点想不起玩过什么值得聊的，因为最新发布的播客是提前几周录制的——

I can't think of a more luxurious way to brew potions. So treat yourself and your games to some new goodies from the BGG store at boardgamegeeksstore.com. Cool. Well, yeah. I I feel like I'm I'm, like, having a hard time, like, remembering what I've played recently or that, like, I wanna bring up because the last episode of the podcast that dropped, I recorded that one, like, a couple weeks in advance.

感觉像很久没录音了。不过首先要说的是，我正在和朋友Steven进行《Primal The Awakening》战役的第三章。我给Quanti看过我的'微缩模型'（打引号是因为这游戏的怪物实在是...）

So it feels like I haven't like recorded in a while. But I guess the first thing I'll mention is, I am three chapters through a campaign of Primal The Awakening with my friend Steven. I showed Quanti my my minis, and I'll put air quotes up because the monsters in this game are

太棒了。它们现在就在我身边。它们蹲在我的肩膀上。太神奇了。看起来真的很好。

Huge. They're around me right now. They're crouching over my shoulder. They're amazing. They look really good.

谢谢。你听到我刚才对我的迷你喷涂获得的认可了吗？是的。

Thank you. You hear that approval I just got on my mini spaining? Yeah.

哇哦。太棒了。

Whoo. So good.

太棒了。谢谢。是的。我我我真的、真的、真的、真的很喜欢这个游戏。你知道的，这是一款合作打BOSS的游戏。

So good. Thank you. Yeah. I I'm I'm really, really, really, really loving this game. You know, it's a cooperative boss battler.

比如，卡牌玩法太棒了。而且，比如，我们上次玩的那局游戏，因为史蒂文在我们开始的那天有事，我们不得不分成两次玩。我们当时想，哦，我们能完成吗？不。但我们对我们停下的地方感觉很好。

Like, the the card play is so good. And and also, like, for example, in the last game that we played, we had to split it up over two sessions because Steven had to be somewhere the day we started. And we were like, oh, are we gonna be able finish? No. But we felt good about where we were, like, leaving things.

我们想，好吧。我们要干掉这只螃蟹，你知道吗？当我们重新开始继续时，情况看起来不太妙。我们当时想，我们是不是要输了？最后比赛到了紧要关头。

We're like, alright. We're gonna we're gonna kill this crab, you know? And when we started when we restarted and picked up, things were not looking good. Like, we were like, are we about to lose this game? And it ended up coming down to the wire.

比如，我们在最后一轮。我们每人还有一次机会。他的角色更多的是辅助，而我是攻击者。我是这个叫海伦的角色，她有一把枪弓，非常酷。所以他通常是帮我做一些疯狂的攻击。

Like, we were in the last round. We each would have had one turn. His character is being more support and I'm the attacker. I'm this character named Helen, and she's got this gun bow thing that's just, like, pretty pretty rad. So he's usually, like, setting me up to do some crazy attacks.

是的。所以我真的非常非常喜欢《原始觉醒》。这不会是最后一次大家听到它。等我至少完成所有迷你模型的第一次涂装后，我会把它们发到BGG上，可能还会做个视频，因为我最近真的很喜欢涂装。我知道你也涂装一些迷你模型。

And yeah. So I've I've been really, really enjoying Primal The Awakening. This will not be the last time anyone hears about it. At some point, once I'm through at least a first pass at painting all the minis, I'm going to post them on BGG, and I'll probably make a video about it because I have been, like, really getting into painting. And I know you paint some minis too.

是的。我喜欢老的我喜欢，比如我最近特别喜欢涂装一些老的，比如战锤的金属迷你模型。

Yeah. I love old I love, like I've been really on a kick of doing painting old, like, Warhammer, like, metal minis.

是的。

Yeah.

或者干脆就拿原始金属，直接打磨然后观察

Or even just, like, taking the raw metal and just, like, basing it and just looking

你是在说真正的金属对吧？不是那种比喻的金属。

You're at talking about, like, actual metal. So Not like metal.

重金属。我是说，老款战锤绝对是重金属风格。比如早年的战锤40K系列。最近收藏它们成了潮流。不过这些年我主要是涂装Games Workshop的模型来消遣。

Heavy metal. I mean, I like, old Warhammer is definitely a heavy metal. Like, old like older 40 k stuff Oh. Just to collect them recently has been a thing. But I I I have painted mostly games games workshop stuff over the years just for fun.

嗯。

I'm Yeah.

我其实几乎没玩过，可能就一次，但我超爱星际战士和终结者。最近主要在尝试15毫米比例的微缩模型，小得离谱，还玩规则通用的战棋系统，比如Osprey出的《寒霜墓穴》——如果你知道的话。

I haven't really ever played except maybe once, but I love me some good space marines and some terminators. But, yeah, recently I've been I've been mostly trying, stuff in the 15 millimeter scale, which is, like, tiny, and playing rules agnostic miniatures is agnostic rule sets, Osprey, like Frostgrave, if you know

听说过。

what that is. I've heard of it.

还有《边境五秒差距》之类的游戏，直接用现成的模型就能玩。而且大多是单人模式，因为...

Five Parsecs from the Border. There's like a bunch of these games where you just take existing miniatures you already have and then play these. Yeah. And it's mostly solo stuff because That's what

正想问这个。

was gonna ask.

就是...

It's It's

两岁小孩的玩具？好吧，有点像

two year olds. Okay. It's like

其他两岁小孩都上床了。那我们就开桌玩吧。

other two year olds in bed. So let's let's open up a table and play.

是啊。哎呀。太棒了。天哪。

Yeah. Oops. Yeah. That's that's awesome. Oh my gosh.

确实。你又要给桌游画插画又要带两岁孩子，肯定忙得不可开交吧。

Yeah. You must have your hands full between all the illustrating for board games and a two year old.

对啊对啊，简直疯了。工作量真的超级大。

Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's crazy. It's a lot of it's a lot of work people.

我在回想，上次我们聚在这儿时，你儿子是已经出生了还是快出生了？

I'm trying to think, like, the last time we got together here, was your son born or or just about to be born?

记不清了。我完全不记得以前的事了。可能还没出生吧。

I don't remember. I don't remember the before times. Probably probably not born yet.

好吧。我想

Right. I think

当时我来这儿的时候，我妻子大概怀孕六个月左右。后来我和朋友格雷格一起来玩，那次特别开心。

And I was coming over here and, like, my wife was, like, six months pregnant or whatever. Then I came with my friend Greg, and we, like, came to hang, and it was a really good time.

那次确实很有趣，因为我们还玩了《沙丘帝国》。那是你第一次

It was that was really fun too because we got to play Dune Imperial Yeah. When it was your first

我从没玩过。超爱这种不用我教规则就能直接玩的游戏。这种体验太棒了，懂吗？

I'd never played it. Yeah. I just love it when I play any game and I don't have to teach it. Yeah. That's such a good feeling, you know?

所以我可以坐下来，这是个复杂难懂的游戏，有人直接教我，我就觉得，我直接就能玩了。对。因为通常是我自己从货架上拿游戏来玩。

So I can sit and there's a it's a difficult complex game and someone just teaches and I'm like, I can just play it. Yeah. Because normally it's me, like, playing game off the shelf and

而权志（Quan Chi）今天完全没想到，我

And and little did Quan Chi know today, I

本来要

was gonna

说，嘿，我需要点时间完成些事情。所以你能

be like, hey, I need some time to finish up something. So can you

教读这些Vantage规则吗？对。我做到了。而且我做得很好。你

teach Read these Vantage rules. Yeah. And I did. And I did a great You

做得非常棒。至少从目前来看

did a great job. Well, so far from what we've seen

我们还不知道呢。

We don't know yet.

我们不知道。我们完全不清楚你是否做得好。不。你做得很好。确实很好。

We don't know. We have no idea if you did a great job or not. No. You did. You did.

哦，那你最近还在玩什么别的游戏？

Oh, so what else have you been playing recently?

我最近在玩——不是新出的《Quedlinburg的江湖郎中》，而是那个新版CMYK，就是重新设计的那款。

I've been playing the I mean, not the new quacks of Quedlinburg, but the new CMYK, like, revamp of those.

是啊。这只是重印版吗？我记不太清了，因为

Yeah. Is it just a reprint? I can't remember because

这是一比一的重印版。没有任何改动，纯粹是视觉上的翻新，我个人觉得超棒。我立马就点进去了，手速飞快。

It's it's a one for one reprint. There's nothing that's been changed. It's a literal just visual revamp, which I personally, I think it's awesome. I like insta clicked it so fast.

酷。

Cool.

而且这是我——呃，我可能有点超前了，但就是...你喜欢

And I it's one of my well, I guess I'm pre I'm jumping the gun here, but it's You like

它很多？这么说会不会有点怪？

it a lot? Is that weird saying?

可能吧。所以我当然有原版，包括BGG上的所有升级配件之类的，现在又有了新版。

Possibly. So I have, of course, the original copy with like all the upgrades from BGG and all that stuff, and then the new copy as well.

不错。我在想他们出没出双人版本？你知道现在很多

Cool. I was wondering like, did they make a two player version of that yet? You know how like a lot

游戏都...我不确定。嗯，不知道。他们有吗？也许有？

of games are coming out like I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Do they? It might?

可能没有。

Maybe not.

我不清楚他们有没有...他们确实有个儿童版的嘎嘎叫版本。

I don't know if I they have a know they have a they have a kids quack quack version.

但我

But I

认为他们有个双人模式

think they have a two player

那个很可爱。对，超级可爱。酷。

one. Which is adorable. Yeah. Pretty adorable. Cool.

那你想直接开始看你的清单吗？我特别好奇。比如今天，我了解到你喜欢的腌黄瓜和不喜欢的腌黄瓜。是的，所以现在我想知道。

Well, do you wanna just, like, jump into your list? Like, I'm so curious. Like, today, I learned about pickles you love and pickles you don't love as Yes. So now I wanna know.

对。顺便说下腌黄瓜，Target超市的Grillo's腌黄瓜是首选。Trader Joe's的腌黄瓜就不太行。简单来说就是这样。

Yeah. By the way, pickles, Grillo's pickles from Target, it's the way to go. Trader Joe's pickles, not so good. That's the short version of that. That is.

不过，我确实很期待聊游戏。说实话这是个难题，因为我真的很爱桌游，要给任何喜欢游戏的人选出五款很难，因为有些是长期钟爱的经典选择，但

But, yeah, I'm excited to talk about game. It's honestly, it's a hard question because I really I love board games, and to pick five for anyone who loves games is hard because some of those are, like, legacy choices that you loved for years, but

也许确实。

maybe Sure.

现在可能玩不了了。但这些游戏是我喜爱时间最长的。对，其中很多——可能你也有同感——很多是我刚入坑时接触的早期游戏。

Can't play play now. But these are games that I feel like are the games I've loved the longest. Yeah. And a lot of them and maybe this is the same for you. A lot of them are games like early games when I first got into it.

它们有种独特的光泽感，对吧？

There's a there's a sheen to them. Right?

对，就是那种感觉。

Yeah. Like that Yeah.

也许现在有东西做得更好了。

Maybe something has done it better now.

但我就是喜欢那个老物件，你对它有种怀旧情结。

But love that old one, you nostalgia tied to it.

是啊。没错。

Yeah. Yeah.

很多回忆啊。确实有些游戏我一直留着。哦对了——这其实是个有趣的过渡，因为我最近玩的一款游戏会关联到几个话题。大概两期节目前，我邀请了朋友西蒙，就是那位来自...的导演

A lot of memories. Yeah. There there are definitely some games that I've held onto. And I oh, this that's actually a funny little segue because a a game that I recently played, and this is gonna tie back to a couple things. So, like, two episodes ago, I had on my friend, Simon, from the director of the

哦对，theboardgame.com的西蒙·恩尼斯，我见过他。

oh, yeah.theboardgame.com. Yeah. Yes. I've met him. Simon Ennis.

对，恩尼斯。没错没错。

Yes. Ennis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

西蒙来做客时我们聊了游戏。他当时在洛杉矶——不过我想我们是等他回去后才录的——他是来参加洛杉矶首映礼的。

So Simon was on, and we were talking about games. And he was in town in LA because but I think we recorded when he went back. Yeah. He was in town for the LA premier.

嗯。

Yeah.

那场放映会来了很多支持我的好朋友，特别有意思。就像《皮威历险记》结尾的汽车电影院场景，所有角色都...（含糊声）

Yeah. The the screening. And I had a lot of, like, awesome, like, support come out to that screening. It was really really fun. It kind of felt like if you've ever seen Pee wee Herman at the end of the movie where they're, like, at the drive in movie theater and, like, every character Mhmm.

这个...我不想剧透

That, you know, I don't wanna spoil it

以防还有人没看过

in case anybody hasn't

《皮威·赫尔曼》这部电影但想看的。我还觉得这很有趣，因为来的路上我发现这是西蒙最喜欢的电影之一。

seen Pee wee Herman and wants to see it. And I also thought this was funny that it felt like this because on the car ride over there, I found out that's one of Simon's favorite movies.

哦，有意思。

Oh, funny.

而且整晚氛围特别棒，就像...你知道的，突然遇到这群朋友，结识新的人。那真是个非常非常美好的夜晚。太酷了。我老乐队吉他手的女友妮可，电影结束后她问我们能不能玩那个游戏——

And like, it just had that feeling like, you know, like, oh, friends from this group. Oh, you you meet this person. And it was like just a really really lovely evening. That's so cool. And my old band's guitarist, his woman, Nicole, his lady friend, she was like after the movie, she's like, she was like, can we play that game?

鸟类游戏《展翅翱翔》。嗯。我们上周末刚见过他们，我差点忘了这事。我进来时正翻出《炸弹拆除专家》《叠叠乐》这些桌游。

The bird game, Wingspan. Mhmm. And, like, we just saw them last weekend, and I almost forgot about it. Like, I came in here. I was pulling out, like, bomb busters, like, tower up.

我当时说'等不及要给你们看这个《礼仪》桌游了'，结果她问'那个...我们什么时候玩那个来着'

I was like, oh, I can't wait to show you this decorum. And she was like, oh, where are gonna play that, you know, that

另一个所以我不得不

other So I had to

跑去车库，因为我收藏了2019年首印版的《展翅翱翔》

go out to the garage because I have a first printing of Wingspan

是啊。

Yeah.

我预购的。当时好像加入了Stonemaier俱乐部什么的，具体名字记不清了。

From 2019. I pre ordered it. I think I joined, like, the Stonemaier Club. Yeah. I forget what it's called.

但我做到了，因为记得那款游戏当时售罄，很多人一度买不到。

But I I made it because remember that game sold out and a lot of people couldn't get it for a while.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。所以游戏刚发售时我玩得特别疯。后来就一直留着它，主要是为了怀旧。完全理解。还有它在桌游爱好中的象征意义。

Yeah. So I was like playing it a ton when it first came out. Yeah. And then I've just kept it for, like, nostalgia region Totally. Regions reasons and for just, like, what it represents in the hobby, like Yeah.

各种原因都有。所以能去车库翻出《展翅翱翔》，磕磕绊绊重温规则真是太好了。然后还能教给两个不怎么玩桌游的好友。

All sorts of reasons. So it was really nice to be able to, like, go into the garage, pull out Wingspan, and fumble through the rules to remind myself how it But then, like, to teach it to two good friends who don't play a lot of board games.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

看着他们因为经营自己的鸟类展区而兴奋的样子真的很棒。这次体验太酷了，让我重新意识到——

And just to watch them, like, get the excitement of, like, running their row of birds. Yeah. And yeah. So it was really cool. And I was like, oh, yeah.

这游戏太棒了。只是我大概从2019年后就没再玩过。

This game is great. I just haven't I really probably have not played it since 2019.

我可能也有很多这类游戏。我是说，如果你是个硬核玩家，总会囤些游戏——比如等孩子满七岁才能玩的，或者万一整个圈子突然改玩战争游戏准备的。懂我意思吗？就是那些可能永远都不会真正开箱的游戏。

I probably have a lot of those kinda games. I mean, I mean, if you're really an alpha gamer, there's probably, like, games you're getting for when your kid gets turned seven, games you're collecting if any if your whole group turns into, like, war gamers. You know what I mean? Like, that you're just holding on to that you probably might never actually play.

对对，我们肯定都经历过这种情况。好了，现在来聊聊你的游戏吧。

Yeah. Yeah. We we're all we've all been there, I'm sure. Alright. Well, let's let's hear about your games.

咱们从...要不按五到一的顺序开始？如果你觉得可以的话。

Let's start with whatever let's go five to one if that's cool.

好吧。这些不是我能做到的。

Okay. These aren't act I can't

哦，它们不对。

Oh, they're not right.

按顺序排列。但我们就从我手头这份清单的顶部开始吧。第一个可能是我的有史以来最喜欢的游戏。哦不，我们要按相反的顺序来。

Put them in order. But let's just start on the top of this list that I have. First one is this is probably my favorite game out of all time. Oh, no. We're going opposite order.

是的。

Yeah.

对，我们开始吧。是的，我们从

Yeah. Let's let's start. Yeah. Let's start from

底部开始。第一个。

the bottom. One.

好的。《郊区》。哦，好的。好的。Bezier游戏。

Okay. Suburbia. Oh, okay. Okay. Bezier games.

是的。

Yeah.

我真的很喜欢文明类城市建设游戏，无论是电子游戏还是其他形式的。如果你玩过《天际线》或以前的《模拟城市》，《郊区》很棒。它有相邻规则，比如邮局挨着房子就加分，墓地挨着机场就减分。很酷。

I really like Civvie City Builder games in general for my video gaming or whatever. If you've played Skylines or SimCity back in the day, Suburbia is great. It's got adjacency rules, like, if there's a post office next to a house, then points. If there's a graveyard next to your airplane your airport, negative points. It's cool.

我非常喜欢它。这是少数几款我买了豪华版的游戏之一，我正想问这个。

I like it a lot. It's one of the few games where I bought, like, the giant deluxe I was just about to ask.

我当时就想，你也有那个巨型版本吗？

I was like, do you have that jumbo I do.

我有。是那种InstaClick系列的。

I do. It was one of those InstaClick ones.

我是说，如果你喜欢的话。对，对。喜欢就一定要...

I mean, if you love it Yeah. Yeah. If you love it, you gotta

《郊区生活》一直让我觉得...我我我从第一天起就特别喜欢那款游戏。

Suburbia has always been a real like, I I I've always really liked that game from day one.

你想知道个事吗？

Do you wanna know something?

说吧，坎迪斯。

Tell me, Candace.

说实话我不确定自己玩没玩过。我我可能玩过一次，因为我有位朋友——见鬼，是赫克托，以前常和他一起玩。我记得这好像是他最爱的游戏之一。我可能玩过一次，因为老把它和那个城堡游戏搞混...

I honestly don't know if I've ever played it. I I think I might have played it once because I had one of my friends, heck my friend Hector, I used to play with a lot. It was, I think, one of his favorite games. And I might have played it once because I think I mix it up with the with the the castles

《疯王城堡》。

Castles of Mad King.

对，对。

Yeah. Yeah.

说实话我觉得那款更好玩。但城市建设这种主题，比起建造疯狂城堡什么的，更对我的胃口。

That is I feel like that's the better game, honestly. But the theme of, like, a city builder, like, really appeals to me more than, like, building a, like, a mad castle.

是啊。

Yeah.

不过说实话，我认为本质上体验是相同的。大体上核心玩法一致，感觉确实如此。

So but I think the honestly, it's the same experience Okay. For the most part, the core experience, and I feel like it's yeah.

酷。既然你喜欢城市建设类游戏，你试过一款叫《大亨》的游戏吗？

Cool. Now, since you're into, like, city building games, have you ever tried a game called Magnate?

没，我没玩过。

No. I have not.

哦，我该让我朋友本带过来。其实挺不错的。具体规则记不清了，但游戏里有类似积木的组件。

Oh. I should have my friend Ben bring it over. It's really good, actually. Yeah. I don't remember exactly how it works, but you're but it has, like, blocks.

嗯。玩的时候会有种当孩子的感觉，用不同建筑类型的积木搭建街区。还需要把居民安排到合适的建筑里。

Mhmm. So you you'll feel like a a kid when you're playing with it, but you're, like, you know, building out blocks in neighborhoods, like these different types of buildings. Mhmm. And there's something where you're like, you need to put, like, people in the right buildings.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但游戏还涉及供需机制。记不太清了，总之很酷。几年前玩过后一直想再玩，不过你知道，我现在在精简游戏库。

But there's, like, a supply and demand thing. I don't know. It was really cool. It's been one that I played a couple years ago that I've thought about picking up, but, you know, I'm trying to cull and whatnot.

是啊，理解。

Yeah. Right.

我说了我在尝试精简。

I said I'm trying.

是啊。我觉得《郊区》可能还有更好的版本，也许有更现代的游戏能更快、更利落地实现这种体验，但它是我最早接触的城市建设类游戏之一，当时我就觉得，对，这就是我想要的。

Yeah. I feel like there's Suburbia's there's probably better maybe there's a more modern game that does it quicker, zippier, but I think it was one of the first city build builders where I was like, yes. Yeah. What wanted. That's I wanted.

酷。好的。那么，接下来是什么？

Cool. Cool. Alright. Well, what's what's next?

我清单上的下一款是《农场主：大盒小盒全收藏》，这是《农场主》的双人版本。

Next on my list is Agricola All Things Big and Small, which is the two player version of Agricola.

哇哦。确实。我好像从没听人这么说过

Woah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever heard someone like

我超爱它。喂养动物的次数刚好符合我的预期，懂我意思吗？收集木材建围栏的次数也恰到好处。原版《农场主》当然很受欢迎，但对我来说流程有点太长了。

I love it. It's the perfect amount of times I wanna feed something. You know what I mean? It's the perfect amount of times I wanna, like, get a bunch of wood to build a fence. Like, regular Agricola's, obviously, a well loved game, but it's just a little bit too long for what what I wanna do.

不过我的确喜欢优秀的农场主题游戏。

But I do love a good farming game.

那你能从双人版里获得原版《农场主》的感觉吗？

And you get the you get the Agricola feel from, like, the two player version one?

我觉得它做得更好。就像《七大奇迹：对决》明显优于原版《七大奇迹》一样，毫无疑问，而且这是专为双人设计的体验。在乌老师那些推出双人版的重策游戏中——比如双人版《港口》、双人版《四季》

I feel like it does it better. In the same way that, like, Seven Wonders Duel is just a better game than Seven Wonders. Yeah. Like like, hands down, and it's a two player experience. I feel like of the heavier Uwe games that had become two player, like they did a two player Le Havre, a two player Yild's

还有《酒桶》

the Barrel

对。

and Yeah.

哦，好吧，那是已经

Oh, well, was That's already

那款是专门的双人游戏。对。但他们做的《农家乐：大小事》双人版是我的最爱。可能有点奇怪，因为我并不是特别推崇双人游戏，但它确实上榜了。喜欢吗？

that's specifically two player. Yeah. But they did the the Agricola All Things Big and Small two player is my favorite. Could be weird because I'm not, like, necessarily, like, an advocate for two player games specifically, but it just definitely hits the list. Like it?

是啊。

Yeah.

好吧。现在你说你喜欢农场游戏挺有趣的，因为你对面坐着的是一个不喜欢农场游戏的人。

Okay. Now, this is funny that you say you love farming games because you are sitting across from someone who does not like farming games.

是吗？

Yeah?

是啊。农场游戏对我来说很难。就是那种我怎么也get不到的主题。但《低地》——你玩过《低地》吗？

Yeah. Farming games are hard for me. It's like the one theme that I don't know. Like, it just doesn't click with me. But Lowlands have you ever played Lowlands?

没。我知道这游戏，但没玩过

No. I know the game, but I haven't

那款我倒挺喜欢的。不过确实挺难的。我好多朋友都超爱《农家乐》，我和那些‘这游戏是我的菜’的人大概玩过三四次。

played it. Like, that one, I liked. But, yeah, it's kinda hard. And I have so many friends who love Agricola. And I've played it probably three or four times with those people who are just like, oh, it's my jam.

但我就是始终

And I just, like, never

无法投入。我超爱那种你摘个苹果喂羊，羊就产羊毛的设定。可能就是因为我们现代人离农耕太遥远了吧。确实。

really does it for I love when you you pick an apple, you feed it to the sheep, it makes some wool. I just something about it. Maybe it's because, like, as a as a peoples, we are so far away from farming. Yeah. Yeah.

你懂我意思吗？对。我是说，我整天坐在屏幕前用数位笔画画。所以我就想，手里能摸摸羊毛什么的。

You know what mean? Yeah. I mean, I sit in front of a screen and draw with a digital pencil all day long. So I just wanna, like, feel wool in my hands.

我理解。说实话，我会想试试这个双人版。我见过这游戏，一直想尝试来着。

I get that. That I honestly, like, I would try this, like, the two player version. Like, I've seen it. I've seen it around, but I would try it.

这游戏真的只要三十分钟。对于一款...（被打断）

I mean, lit it's a literal thirty minute game. It's which is crazy for a game that

三十分钟。

Thirty minutes.

实际玩起来就三十分钟，节奏明快，每个决策都很有意义。我记得大概就九轮吧。哇，这设计真的太棒了。

It's a thirty minute game when you're of play, and it's zippy, and you feel like you're making meaningful decisions. It's, like, literally nine rounds, I think. Wow. So so good for what it is. Yeah.

酷。再说一次叫什么来着？农场主？

Cool. So what is it called again? Agricola?

《农场主：大小物语》？

Agricola All Things Big and Small?

好的。双人版农场主。

Okay. Two player Agricola.

双人版农场主。对。

Two player Agricola. Yeah.

那个双人版拉夫游戏是什么来着？

What is the two player Lav game?

我忘了。感觉我能想象出那个盒子。

I forget. Feel like I can picture the box.

不是

Was not

我还玩过《洞穴对决》，那是《洞穴农夫》的两人版。它没有我期望的那么好。好吧，在那些双人游戏中。是的。

as I've also played Caverna Duel, which is a Caverna two player. It wasn't as good as I wanted it to be Okay. Of those two player games. Yeah.

好的。明白了。酷。酷。所以我们有《郊区》、两人版的《农场主》。

Okay. Alright. Cool. Cool. So we got Suburbia, two player Agricola.

嗯。还有什么，昆蒂？

Mhmm. What else, Quanti?

好吧。很有趣。这是另一个双人游戏。我刚说我不会玩，但《魔戒：对决》？

Okay. It's funny. It's another two player game. I I just said I'm not but Lord of the Rings confront The Confrontation?

哦，是那个

Oh, is that the one

就是《战略》那种。对。是的。是双人游戏。

It's the Stratego. Yes. Yeah. It's two player.

太棒了。

So good.

这又是一个大约三十分钟的游戏。它是我很久以前刚接触桌游时最早入手的游戏之一。是的。它很棒。真的非常好。

It's, again, like a thirty minute game. And it is one of the games I, like, first got when I first got into gaming a long time ago. Yeah. And it's great. It's so good.

这主题感太强了。你用这么少的部件就营造出如此浓厚的《指环王》氛围。我特别喜欢这种用简约设计传递丰富内涵的作品。

It's so thematic for what it is. You're making so much theme and it's very Lord of the Rings themed from so few pieces. And I love when a design does so much with a little bit.

是啊。我有那个...应该算是Fantasy Flight的老版本。听说马上要出新特别版了。嗯...我我或者...

Yeah. I have the, like, I guess, the old Fantasy Flight version of it. And and I know there's like a new special version of that one coming out. Yeah. I I or

我我预购了。好的。嗯。看起来挺精致的。

I I pre ordered it. Okay. Yeah. It looks fancy.

我买了豪华版的《魔戒圣战》。

I bought a fancy War of the Ring.

噢。新收藏版。我就说嘛，《魔戒圣战》绝对能进我的前五名。嗯。但其实我只玩过两次。

Oh. The new collection. So I thought so War of the Ring is also a game that would be in my top five. Mhmm. But I've basically played it twice.

对吧？这感觉挺矛盾的，因为它体验太棒了所以我想算上它。而且每次玩都能从游戏机制里感受到原著精髓，太神奇了。是吧？

Right? So it's weird because I wanna count it because it's such a great experience. Yeah. And it's amazing how the the the books come through the gameplay every time somehow. Right?

这样吧Quanchai，等我的豪华版到货之后...

Well, Quanchai, when my fancy version eventually shows up

我们开一局？

We're gonna play?

好啊。没问题。

Yeah. Yeah.

问题是找谁来陪我玩呢。确实。

The other thing is who do I get to play with me? Yeah.

你妻子玩游戏吗？

Does your wife play games?

是啊。她...她是在德国出生和长大的，所以她们那儿的人周日都会问'我们今天玩什么桌游？'。她游戏水平比我强多了。

Yeah. She's she's she grew she was born and grew up in Germany, so she comes from a people's that's like, what are we doing on Sunday? We're playing board games. Cool. And she's way better at games than me.

我得跟她说'别在我回合时指挥我，否则赢了也没成就感'。她游戏玩得特别好，现在是我主要的游戏搭档。

She I have to tell her, like, don't tell me how to do it in my turn because then I don't feel like I won. She is she's great at games and she is my main gaming partner these days.

太棒了。听完你的清单后，我们肯定还得通过你听听她的清单。

That's awesome. So after we hear your list, we're gonna have to hear Yeah. Her list through you. Definitely.

《魔戒对决》确实不错。我特别喜欢原版那个《失落的城市》大小的盒装版，现在绝版了——毕竟谁还卖这么小包装的？

But, yeah, Confrontation. Lord of the Rings of Confrontation is is a good one. I it's one of those games that I like so much that I there's an original original version that comes in those small, like, Lost Cities patchwork size boxes Oh. That is Wow. Now, of course, way out of print because why sell something that small?

我囤了两份未拆封的，你懂的，就是那种...值得收藏的情况。

Yeah. And I bought, like, two extra copies in shrink just because Nice. You know, I'm just it's one of those Nice. Situations.

把你家定位发我。

Send me a pin of your house.

来拿啊，有本事来拿。

Yeah. Come on get it. Come on get it.

我确实还留着我的那盒，虽然只玩过一两次但超喜欢。后来接触现代桌游才发现《战争之道》其实一直是我的最爱之一

I do have, like, my copy I've been holding on to because I think I've only played it like once or twice, but I loved it. And I realized at some point, like, as I've been in the modern board game hobby that Stratego was one of my favorite games

完全同意。

Totally.

成长嘛，绝对的。比如2017年你问我那叫什么，我可能答不上来。但经过多年沉迷桌游后，我才恍然大悟——对，那就是我的菜。

Growing up. Totally. Like, if you asked me in 2017 what it was called, I don't know. But, like, it took me, like, years of being into, like, board games to be like, oh, yeah. Like, that was my jam.

没错。绝对的。对。

Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

太酷了。太酷了。好吧。《指环王：对决》。行。

So cool. So cool. Okay. Lord of the Rings, the confrontation. Alright.

你还有什么别的游戏？

What else do you have?

好的。《奥丁的盛宴》。等等。我们刚才念对名字了吗？

Okay. Feast for Odin. Wait. Did did we say this right?

没。你还没念。我正想问你是不是乌维·罗森博格的粉丝呢。

No. No. You haven't. Yeah. And I was gonna ask if you were an Uwe Rosenberg fan.

这就是我的答案。两款游戏

And this is my answer. Two two games

哦是有两款。对哦我没想到。《奥丁的盛宴》超棒的。

Oh, there are two. That's right. I didn't think about that. Yeah. Feast for Odin's great.

我觉得这是他游戏里主题感爆棚的作品——真的让我感觉在扬帆劫掠、制作毛皮什么的。而且我发现自己喜欢的游戏大多需要空间规划能力。《奥丁的盛宴》里那种类似俄罗斯方块的拼图机制，有些玩家很反感...

I feel like it's one of his games that feel extremely extremely thematic for what it's doing. I do feel like I'm, like, sailing the seas with my ship and plundering stuff and, you know, making pelts from stuff. Yeah. I'm also I realized a lot of the games that I like are are spatial. And that weird thing that some players don't like with Feast for Odin where you have to, like, puzzle and Tetris out something.

但对我来说刚刚好，我就爱这个调调。

Yeah. It's enough in the game. It's not too much for me and I and I like it.

是啊。

Yeah.

而且它可能是我前十榜单中最重度的游戏了。好吧。《奥丁盛宴》确实扎实，你必须有挪威扩展包。没错，它不知怎的就是把一切都做得更好了。

And it it's that's probably the heaviest game on my top 10 list. Okay. Feast for Odin's a it's a solid you gotta have the Norwegians expansion in there. Yeah. Makes it just does everything right somehow better.

我不知道为什么，但就是更好。

I don't know why, but it's better.

有些扩展包就是这样的。

There's some expansions like that.

你只需要入手它们。

You just gotta get them.

对。所以《奥丁盛宴》嘛，我第一次玩的时候，几乎没接触过这么重度的游戏。嗯哼。所以当时没太理解，也没爱上它。

Yeah. So A Feast for Oon, like, the very first time I played it, I was, like, barely had played it like a heavier game. Uh-huh. And so, I didn't quite, like, get it. I didn't love it.

倒也不讨厌。但后来就渐渐淡忘了。直到某天我买了它。和Matt双人开了一局，结果超级有趣。嗯。

I didn't hate it. But then, I just kinda, like, forgot about it. And then, at some point, I bought it. And I was, like, I played it with Matt in just, a two player game and it was so fun. Mhmm.

我们都玩得很嗨。我可能还为此买了个3D打印的收纳盒

And, you know, we loved it. I think I probably bought a three d printed insert at You the

你绝对买了。

definitely did.

后来我又卖掉了。因为...怎么说呢，我确实享受过，但就是缺乏持续吸引力。对。像《勒阿弗尔》我就还留着。

And then I sold it. Because, like, I I just realized, like I don't know. I I enjoyed it, but there again, it doesn't excite me. Yeah. Like and I I I have Le Havre still.

我不知道是不是因为钓鱼还是什么原因，但真的很难说。这真的很难说。

And I don't know if it's because because of the fishing or what it is, but I don't know. It's hard to say. It's hard to say.

是啊。我是说，他的游戏都有种相似的风格趋势。但不知为何，《命运盛宴》就是不对我胃口。

Yeah. I mean, his games are there's like a there's a trend and all in that that feels similar. Yeah. And I feel like, for whatever reason, Feast of Fate wouldn't just hit the spot. But, like, there yeah.

这些游戏之间存在着太多共通的设计脉络。

There's so many shared there were shared tendrils amongst all those games.

完全同意。所以我才说，有些人非《农场主》不玩，看不上《洞穴农夫》。

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. That's why I'm like, you know, like, you know how some people are like, oh, I only like Agricola. Don't like Caverna.

也有人只爱《洞穴农夫》，不喜欢《农场主》。但我觉得它们对我来说根本没区别。

I only like Caverna. I don't like Agricola. And I'm like, they're both the same to me.

反正都是农场经营嘛。不过我确实更喜欢...对...

It's all farming. Yeah. I do like I do like the theme of yeah.

更喜欢《洞穴农夫》的主题？哦单纯指务农啊。天，我们今天真是大开眼界——泡菜、农耕、桌游。行吧。

Of Caverna better? Oh, just farming. Man, the things we're learning today. Pickles, farming, games. Okay.

好了，所以现在你还有两个要说的？

Okay. So that was so now you have two more that you're gonna say?

是两个吗？我这有一堆呢。不过对...我准备按顺序...我提到过《Quax》了吗？

Is it two? I have a bunch on this. But yeah. I'm gonna be going up the Yeah. Did I say Quax all or of it.

我们说过《Quax》了吗？

Did we say Quax already?

嗯，呃，我我说，奎克斯说道。

Well, u t I I see said Quax.

奎德林堡的奎克斯，现在新版叫CMY版的奎克斯。但我一直抗拒这个游戏，因为我在想，我想要玩这种袋构筑游戏吗？里面有很多运气成分。

Quax of Quedlinburg or now it's called Quax in the CMY kind of new version. But I just it's a game that I resisted for so long because I was like, do I wanna it's like a bag builder, there's a lot of chance.

是啊。

Yeah.

原版美术其实很棒，但不像新版美术那样吸引我。但当我们游戏小组第一次玩的时候，我就觉得，这游戏太棒了。对，很扎实的游戏。它复杂度刚好，对新手友好，但老玩家也能玩得开心。

The original art like was is great but it didn't like sell me the way the new art does. But once we played in our game game group for the first time, I was like, this is a great game. Yeah. Solid game. It's just like complex enough that it's it's friendly to newcomers, but it's fun for someone who's played a bunch.

对，我...是啊。多棒的游戏啊。

Yeah. I I yeah. What a great game.

扎实

Solid

扎实，非常扎实的游戏。

solid solid game.

我觉得奎克斯最初吸引我的地方是，第一次玩的时候，我想是我朋友内特带的版本，我们几分钟就投入进去了。你可以边玩边教学，因为更复杂的成分会在游戏后期出现。而你只需要...

I like, I think that was the first thing that appealed to me with Quacks was that the very first time I played, my I think it was my friend Nate had a copy and we were into the game within, like, minutes. Like, there know, you can do kind of a rolling teach with it because different more complex ingredients come out later in the game. And you're just

没错。

That's right.

嘿，从袋子里摸个东西出来，我告诉你会发生什么。这种赌运气的机制太有趣了。

Hey, pick something out of your bag, and I'll tell you what happens. And it push your luck is just so fun.

是啊，确实如此。真的。而且你知道，这是那种会让人发出‘哇哦、哇哦、哇哦’惊叹的游戏之一。

Yeah. It's true. It's true. And it's, you know, it's one of those games that has those like, woah, woah, woah

瞬间。对。

moments. Yeah.

而且像这样的游戏并不多。嗯，我喜欢它。

And there's not a lot of games like that. Yeah. I like it.

我还特别喜欢那个老鼠尾巴追赶机制，因为现在每次玩——比如最近玩的一个游戏里就有类似设定，‘哦，那是你的老鼠尾巴。那些就是老鼠尾巴。’但很酷。是的，《Quacks》简直炸裂。

I also love the the rat tail catch up mechanism because now, anytime like, there was some game I played recently where it was like, oh, that's your rat tails. Those are rat tails. But that's cool. Yeah. Quacks is a banger.

没错，超级棒。它就是——

Yeah. It's a banger. It's just Is

是Wolfgang Warsch设计的吗？我忘了。

that Wolfgang Warsch? I forget.

对。对？是的。对，我想是的。

Yes. Yes? Yeah. Yes. I think so.

对，和《The Mind》是同一位设计师？

Yes. Same designer as the mind?

是的。

Yes.

好的。好的。酷。酷。

Yes. Alright. Alright. Cool. Cool.