第79集：新主持人、埃森游戏展贴士与Nikki近期玩过的游戏

帝国以铁腕统治诸岛。来自黑暗荒芜之地的混沌恶魔正汹涌入侵。在《起义》中，你和同伴必须同时对抗这两股不可阻挡的势力。这是一款广受好评、残酷的4S合作游戏，支持1-4名玩家，背景设定在奇幻宇宙，包含纯单人模式。在这里获胜不仅意味着生存，还要击败两个互相争斗的强大对手。

The Empire rules the islands with an iron fist. From the dark waste beyond, demons of chaos surge inward. In Uprising, you and your friends must rise against both of these unstoppable forces. It's a highly rated, brutal, cooperative 4S game for one to four players set in a fantasy universe, true solo mode included. Winning here means not just surviving but defeating two stronger opponents who also fight each other.

每局游戏都独一无二：模块化地图、10个非对称阵营、20位不同英雄和令人窒息的战斗。你永远无法重复相同的对局。若这听起来令人兴奋，快去Gamefound支持他们的众筹。记住，本作不会零售发行，现在就加入起义吧。

Every game is unique with a modular map, 10 asymmetrical factions, 20 different heroes, and nail biting battles. It's impossible to play the same game twice. If that sounds exciting, check out their campaign on Gamefound. Remember, it's not coming to retail, so join the uprising now.

大家好，BoardGameGeek在YouTube上新推出了有趣的互动内容——全是桌游相关的趣味问答。我们刚发布了第一期测验，非常期待后续制作更多。

Hey, everybody. BoardGameGeek has a new fun thing to play on YouTube. It's a quiz, and it's all board game related. We just put it up, and it is quiz number one. And we are really hoping to have more.

目前反馈非常热烈，很多人留言分享得分，观看过程充满乐趣。我是《游戏之夜》和BoardGameGeek的Nikki Pontius，正在主持第79期桌游极客播客，并为大家介绍新主持人Amanda Panda。

And so far, the feedback has been great. A lot of people posting their scores in in the text areas of that, and it's been a lot of fun to watch. I am Nikki Pontius from Game Night and Board Game Geek, and I am here doing episode 79 of the board game geek podcast. And I am introducing our new host, Amanda Panda.

大家好，非常高兴能来到这里与各位共事。这让我无比激动，非常感谢你们的邀请。

Hello, everyone. So happy to be here and to do this with you all. This is very exciting for me. Thank you so much for having me.

当然，你总是充满魅力。我准备了几个问题让听众了解你，Amanda。如果大家还不熟悉你的话，准备好回答三个问题了吗？

Of course. You're always fun to watch. Thank you. I have some questions for the listeners to get to know you, Amanda. If they're not familiar with you already, are you ready to answer three questions?

当然！我已经迫不及待了。好的，第一个问题是所有桌游玩家都会问的：最初是什么让你踏入桌游世界的？

Absolutely. Excited to do it. Okay. The first question is the question that all board gamers always ask. What got you into board gaming in the first place?

谁，什么，为什么，何时，何地？

Who, what, why, when, where?

我从小就喜欢桌游。记得小时候得到大富翁游戏，还有忍者神龟主题的桌游。作为独生子女，我经常自己玩双人游戏，也尝试和朋友家人、保姆之类的一起玩。但真正深入现代桌游爱好是在2012年，尤其是看了威尔·惠顿的《桌游玩家》节目后，加上我家附近新开了家叫'游戏屋'的桌游咖啡馆。

I've always loved board games even as a child. I remember, you know, getting monopoly. I had the teenage mutant ninja turtle board game. I am a only child, so I did play a lot of two handed solos, try to play some games with friends and family, you know, with babysitters, that type of thing. But I really got into the modern hobby in 2012 with especially with Will Wheaton's tabletop episodes and a new board game cafe that opened up near me called the game house.

后来我遇到位可爱的同事Ruby，我们从开业起就每周六雷打不动地去游戏屋。我们会从架子上挑几款游戏，现场学习规则一起玩。最享受的是品尝他们美味的派和桌游主题三明治。可惜那家咖啡馆现已停业，但那确实是我入坑现代桌游的起点。

And so I found a lovely coworker. Her name is Ruby, and she and I went to the game house from the beginning, from when they opened every single Saturday. And we'd go pull, you know, a couple of games off the shelf, learn it there, you know, play it together, and we really had a great time eating their delicious, delicious pies and their lovely sandwiches that are themed around board games. Unfortunately, that cave cafe is no longer with us, but that was really how I got into the modern hobby.

不错啊。下一个问题：是什么契机让你开始在桌游领域做直播和内容创作？我之前做过些手工艺、烹饪相关的内容。

Okay. That's cool. Next question. What made you start streaming and being a content provider in the board game arena? I did some content in my arts and crafts, cooking and stuff.

然后当

And then when the

疫情爆发时，我给很多主播当管理员。后来看到自己生日快到了，又注意到Matthew Jude在生日当天直播收到了打赏。我不习惯为自己筹款，就决定开直播为'Extra Life'募捐——这是个为北美儿童奇迹网络医院筹款的慈善机构。虽然从没直播过，我却直接挑战了18小时马拉松直播。

pandemic happened, I was a moderator for a lot of streamers. Then I saw that my birthday was coming up, and then I saw a lovely human, Matthew Jude, was streaming on his birthday and got some donations. And I don't feel comfortable asking for money for myself, so I decided to stream and raise money for Extra Life, a charity that raises money for the miracle network of children's hospitals in North America. Yeah. I really set myself up because I had never streamed before, and I decided to do a eighteen hour stream.

哇。结果一周内我只试播了一次就直接上阵，期间邀请了十多位嘉宾，虽然遇到各种技术问题，但观众们都很包容，最终筹到了1500多美元。

Wow. Okay. And I raised over $1,500, but I literally had one week. I did one test stream and I went right into it. I had like over 10 different guests on throughout And the then there there was so many technical issues and stuff, but people stuck with it.

这实在太有趣了，我决定继续做下去。到最后我甚至想，哦，我得继续。不，其实不用，因为我们已经筹到了钱，我可以随时结束。所以，我的第一次直播，是的，持续了十八个小时。是为了慈善。

It was so much fun that I decided to keep on doing it. I even was like at the end, I was like, oh, I gotta keep going. No, I don't because we raised the money and I can end anytime I want. So, My very first stream, yeah, was eighteen hours. Was for charity.

这太好玩了。后来疫情来了，我是个有内向倾向的外向者。直播真的帮我度过了疫情，让我能和朋友见面、一起玩、打游戏。所以没错，这就是我入坑的原因。

It was so fun. Then the pandemic, I'm quite an extrovert with introverted tendencies. So the streaming really helped me get through the pandemic and meet friends and hang out and play games. So Sure. That's what got me into it.

是啊。直播也帮我们熬过了疫情。因为桌游本来就是很社交的活动，在那段时间被切断，对很多人来说都很艰难。

Yeah. Streaming helped, helped us get through the pandemic too. So yeah. Because Yeah. Word gaming is such a social thing to have that be cut off during that time was was hard for a lot of people, I think.

嗯，我同意。

Yeah. I agree.

最后一个问题。我知道你喜欢旅行，一有机会就会去。我想知道你清单上还有哪些没去成的目的地？那些你梦想但还没实现的旅行地？太多了，真的太多了。

And the last question. I know that you like to travel, and you travel as often as you can. I wanna know if there are some destinations on your list that you haven't made it to yet that you want to, like dream your dream destinations that you haven't gotten to yet? So many. So many.

其实我去过不少地方。比如英国，还有好多亚洲国家。我很幸运，父母尤其是我妈妈很喜欢旅行，所以我能跟着他们去过很多不同的地方。

I mean, I have gone to quite a few. Like, I've been to The UK. I've been to a lot of Asian countries. I'm very blessed and lucky that my parents like to travel, especially my mom. So I was able to go along with them on a lot of different trips.

但苏格兰和爱尔兰还没去过，特别想去。新西兰和澳大利亚也还没踏足。去过日本，但没参加过东京游戏展，这是目标之一。不过最想做的还是去见见通过桌游爱好和直播在世界各地认识的朋友们。

I have not gone to Scotland or Ireland yet, so I really wanna go there. I have not gone to New Zealand or Australia yet. I've been to Japan, but not to the Tokyo game market. So that's one of the things. But, yeah, I think I really wanna go meet up with friends that I've met through board gaming hobby, through streaming around the world.

我非常兴奋。我的下一站旅行将是埃森。我将和来自Loozapalooza的Losers住在一起，并见到一些平时在美国的聚会上见不到的人，因为他们无法参加美国的聚会。他们在大洋彼岸，世界的另一端。所以对此我非常期待。

I'm very excited. My next trip is going to be Essen. I'll be staying with the Losers from Loozapalooza and meeting some people that I don't get to meet because they don't get to go to The US conventions. And they are over there in the other side of the pond, other side of the world. So very excited about that.

那么，Nikki，你去过埃森吗？对于我第一次去埃森桌游展，你有什么建议吗？

So, Nikki, do you you've been to Essen. Do you have any tips for me for my first trip to Essen spiel?

建议太多了。我可以滔滔不绝地讲上很久，详细到方方面面。早在两千年代初我开始去的时候，那里真的是另一个世界。他们确实做出了一些改变，试图对来自其他国家的人更友好。我认为他们一直欢迎外国人，但以前总有点隔阂，现在他们努力打破这种隔阂，变得更加友善，增加了多语言标识牌等细节，这些对来到一个语言不通国家的人来说意义重大。

So many tips. I could go on forever and go into so much detail. It was really a different world when I started going back in the early two thousands. And they have definitely changed it to try to be more welcoming to to, people from other countries. I I think they've always welcomed them, but it there was always a little bit of, like, a barrier, and I think they've tried harder to, open that barrier and be a little more friendly and have more signage in multiple languages and little things that make a big difference to people who are coming to a country where they don't necessarily speak the language.

但我要提醒你的是，展会规模巨大。展会在一个叫Mesa的地方的多栋建筑里举行，有5号馆、4号馆等等。找张地图，拍下来。他们现在其实开始用一款应用了。

But my pointers to you is it's huge. And the convention is in multiple buildings on in a they call the Mesa, and, there's a Building 5 and a Building 4 and blah blah blah. Find a map. Take a picture of it. You they actually started using an app.

所以用那个应用吧。它能帮你找到地方。只要你能连上网——不过这可能有点困难，因为那么多人挤在一个地方上网。所以我建议拍照，这样你就能直接在手机上查看。

So use the app. It'll really help you find places. As long as you can connect to the Internet, that is a little weird because it's a lot of people in one location on the Internet. So that might make it hard. That's why I suggest taking a picture because then you can just look at it on your phone.

带水。你会脱水的。不管外面是30度还是80度，在那个地方你都会脱水。所以带个水壶什么的。

Water. You're gonna get dehydrated. I don't care if it's 30 degrees outside or 80 degrees outside. You're gonna get dehydrated in that place. So bring a water bottle or whatever.

当然那里有水卖，但你知道，我不清楚你需要喝多少水，但如果你一天要喝好几瓶水，那会花不少钱。如果你有便携椅——很多德国人都有，我第一次见到这种特别的椅子，它像个小凳子，可以折叠成一个小圆盘。嗯。它挂在钩子上，他们就这样“啪嗒”一下。这样他们就能坐下了，因为在那里要么坐地上，要么在游戏桌旁坐下玩游戏——前提是你能找到游戏桌并玩上游戏。

Of course they have water, but it's you know, I don't know how much water you need to drink, but if you go through multiple bottles of water in a day, you are gonna be spending a lot of money. If you have a portable chair, which a lot of people in Germany, the first time I saw this particular one, it's like a stool, and it turns down and it turns into like a little disc. Mhmm. And it's on a hook, and they just boop boop. And so they can sit down because sitting there is you sit on the ground, and you sit when you sit at a game table to play a game, assuming that you can get to a game table and play a game.

说到水和椅子。我另一个建议是梅萨的餐饮还行。他们有餐车，其中一些餐车的美食简直棒极了。不过食物分布得很分散。有个叫Galleria的地方连接着两三栋建筑到另一侧的两三栋建筑，那里塞满了儿童娱乐设施，总是人满为患。

So water and chair. My other suggestion is the food at the Mesa is okay. They've got food trucks, and some of those food trucks are amazingly really good. The food, however, is spread out all over the place. There's the Galleria that branches two or three of the buildings to two or three of the buildings on the other side, and they put a ton of kids entertainment in there, and it's crowded.

但那里也有些吃的。我建议除非你一大早就进展馆，否则别去那儿——因为他们有个神奇的甜甜圈机，小甜甜圈在传送带上移动，浸过糖浆，简直是人间美味。但那里永远挤爆了。还有种古怪的螺旋土豆串，像丝带般的土豆卷在木棍上，随处可见人们拿着它走动。这里允许自带食物，在美国很多地方可没这待遇。

But they do have some food stuff in there too. I would suggest not going there unless you get into the halls early in the morning because they've got this weird donut machine that takes these little donuts that go along a conveyor belt and they dunk in and they're the best things ever. But it's always crazy crowded there. They have this weird thing that's a curled up potato, like ribbons or curled potato on a stick, and then you see people walking around with those all over the place. They let you bring your own food in, which if you're from The States, a lot of places don't let you do that.

所以你会看到很多家庭自带三明治之类的。别害怕探索，他们在你意想不到的地方甚至你以为禁止进入的区域都设有小吃摊。我和同伴们花了大概两三年才发现建筑之间那些奇怪的户外空间——那里居然有炸肉排店、啤酒摊和其他美食，其实就是建筑间的停车场区域。

So you see a lot of families there with their own sandwiches and stuff. And don't be afraid to explore. They have food kiosks in places you wouldn't think there would be or places you think that you weren't even allowed to go. And it took me and the people I went maybe two or three years to realize that there was like weird outdoor spaces between the buildings that actually had, like, a schnitzel place or a beer stand or other food. And it's literally like the parking lot between the buildings where all the trucks park.

那些地方也有吃的，但很不显眼，你得探头探脑找找看。这挺有意思。另外要注意二手游戏摊位。我们这代玩家反正都得翻译德文游戏，所以我不介意游戏是德语的。

They have food stuff there too where you can go and eat, but it is not obvious, and you kinda have to peek behind doors and stuff. So that's interesting. The other thing is look at the used game stalls. I am from a generation of gamers that had to translate all the German games anyways. So I don't care if a game is in German.

只要我能找到翻译好的规则，或者找到带德语/其他语言的卡牌模板，如果是稀有游戏或从未引进美国的游戏，就值得淘一淘。神奇的是你问摊主'有没有某某游戏'，他们真的知道。他们会说'没有'，或者说'哦有'，然后爬上梯子给你翻出来——这些二手游戏通常保存得相当好。

If I can find the rules somewhere else translated, if I can find something that mocks up cards that have German on them or some other language on them, and it's a rare game or it's a game that never made it to The States, it's worth looking at those used stalls. And the crazy thing is is you can ask the person, do you have such and such? And they know. And they'll be like, no. We don't have it.

我想玩家们都把自己的游戏当无价之宝吧，所以大部分成色都不错。

Or they'll be like, oh, yeah. And they'll walk over here, and they'll climb up a ladder, and they'll pull some game out. And they're generally in pretty good condition too. I guess gamers, you know, treat their games like priceless gems, so most of them are in pretty good good condition.

这太棒了。要找这些游戏的翻译资料，最佳去处就是BGG页面对吧？对，就是那个游戏页面。

That's really awesome. And a great place to find those translations, right, are on b the BGG page Yes. For the game.

那曾是我当年的消遣方式。玩家、粉丝甚至出版商——当他们知道BGG时——会把规则翻译成英语和其他语言，有些热心粉丝还会制作一张包含所有卡牌翻译的纸，你可以打印出来剪裁后贴在卡牌上。

And that that was my outlet back in the day. People, fans, even publishers when if when they knew about BGG would put the rules up in English and all the other languages with some fan would, like, make a sheet of paper with all the translations for the cards that you could actually print, cut, and put on the card

哦，这真的很酷。

Oh, that's really cool.

为了方便玩游戏之类的。对了，别害怕坐地铁，但要记得买票。他们真的有便衣人员随机抽查乘客的车票。

To help with the game and stuff. The u Bond, don't be afraid to use it. Get a ticket, though. They actually have people that are dressed in plain clothes that get on the Ubon and ask random people for a ticket.

这制度真好。所以Ubon是指地铁对吧？

That's so good. Yeah. So the Ubon is the subway, right?

对，就是地铁。会展中心Mesa附近有三个地铁站，其中稍远的那个在Mesa一端，另外两个分别在Mesa两头。Mesa面积很大，所以先想好要去哪个区域，再决定从哪个地铁口出来更近。我猜你们会逛遍整个会场，但最好规划好起点和终点再选择乘车路线。

Yeah. It's the subway. And the Mesa, the place where the convention is at, has three stops by the Mesa, the Ubon stops. One's a little bit far away, but then the last two are like either end of the Mesa, and the Mesa's huge. So figure out where you wanna go and then decide which exit you wanna take on the Ubon to get you closer to where I imagine you're gonna walk the whole entire place, but think about where you wanna start and end and then get on a Ubon accordingly.

那里的停车简直是场灾难。每个在那里停过车的人都建议：能不开车就别开。如果非要开车，务必大清早就到，因为车位根本不够用，很快就会停满。

And parking is a disaster there. Everyone I talk to that has to park at it are like, yeah. Don't. If you don't have to, don't do it. And if you do, come super, super early in the morning because it's they just don't have enough, and it fills up real fast.

很多家庭都是当日往返的。这和美国的Gen Con完全不同——那边大家住酒店通宵玩，而这里的人都是白天来晚上走，整座城市到晚上就空了。

A lot of families are there for the day. That's the other thing about it. It's it's a different con rather than gen con in The States where you stay overnight in a hotel and you're pretty much there for the whole time. This one is they come for the day, and then they leave. And the whole town, like, clears out

好的。

Okay.

除了所有在展会工作的人，还有所有餐厅都应付不了这么多人流量。

Except for all the people that are working the con, and all the restaurants can't handle the amount of people.

所以据我所知，埃森展更像是个采购展会而非试玩展会。展会上没有开放游戏区，酒店里也没有。你试玩游戏是为了决定是否购买。人们怎么搬运他们买的游戏呢？

So Essen is, from what I heard, more of a buying con than a playing con. There's no, like, open gaming in the con. There's no open gaming in the hotels. So you are demoing the game to see if you wanna buy it. How do people lug around the games they purchased?

他们会带推车吗？还是只用背包？比如，他们会往返停车场多次吗？具体是怎么操作的？

Do they bring carts? Is it just backpacks? Like, do they multiple trips to their car? Like, how does that work?

我在回忆他们是否禁止了背包。以前是允许背包和推车的，也有人带滚轮行李箱。就像其他展会如Gen Con那样，人们要么用背包，要么用那种超市手推车。当然你还会看到有人拖着可怜的孩子，因为童车里塞满了游戏。但人们就是尽可能把所有东西都挂在身上搬运。

I'm trying to remember if they banned backpacks or not. It used to be backpacks and cart, but people also bring their roller suitcases. It's just like any other kind of con like Gen Con or whatever where they've got bags like, and they've got a backpack or they've got one of those grocery stroller carts. And then, of course, you see the people who are dragging their unfortunate kid because the stroller is full of games. But, that's just people just lug everything that they possibly can on their bats.

当然也有很多人是这样：我们来就买一款成人游戏和一款儿童游戏，其余时间随便逛逛。但大多数桌游展会参与者不是这类人，他们想买所有新出的游戏。所以就是这么处理的。如果在美国，很多人会打包箱子直接从展会寄回家。

I mean, of course, there are a lot of people that are like, we are here to buy one grown up game and one game for the children, and the rest, we're just gonna wander around and look at stuff. But most people that go to board gaming cons are not that kind of people. They wanna buy everything new, that's there to have. So that's how that's dealt. And to get them home if you're in The States, a lot of people pack boxes and, ship them from the convention home.

作为BGG（BoardGameGeek）用户，我知道这种方式已经持续好几年了。

I know as a BGG person, that was the way it was done for for several years.

好的，很好。因为我知道，像Gen Con不允许带推车或任何带轮子的东西，所以知道埃森展允许带很好。嗯。因为我知道那里规模更大，通道也更宽敞，尽管人还是很多，还是会很拥挤。

Okay. Good. Because I know, like, Gen Con does not allow you to bring carts or anything with wheels, so it's good to know that Essen will allow it. Mhmm. Because I know it's much bigger, and the aisles are much bigger even though there's still a lot of people, and it's still gonna be congested.

在繁忙的日子，无论是周五还是周六（每年情况不同），你会想坐下来看看这场混乱。如果你觉得Gen Con的通道拥挤，等你在埃森展遇到疯狂的一天时，你会大吃一惊的。

When on the busy, busy day, whether it's a Friday or Saturday, it changes from year to year. At one point, you're gonna wanna just sit back and watch the chaos because if you thought the aisles were crowded at Gen Con, wait until a crazy day at Essen. You are gonna be blown away.

这...这有点吓人。

That's that's a little terrifying.

哦，你会玩得很开心的。

Oh, you're gonna have fun.

是的。非常感谢这些建议。你准备好带领你的部落探索未知了吗？资源稀缺，对手逼近，只有最狡猾的人才能在这片土地上书写自己的传奇。

Yes. Thank you so much for those tips. Are you ready to lead your tribe into the unknown? Resources are scarce. Rivals are closing in, and only the most cunning will carve their story into the land.

欢迎来到《Dwan》，Space Cowboys推出的全新策略游戏。由获奖设计师打造——图灵机作者Johan Levitt和Faraway作者Johannes Gupi联手设计。《Dwan》是一款快节奏的英雄式领土控制游戏，采用模块化棋盘、四种游戏变体和惊艳的美术设计，每局游戏都是独特的霸权争夺战。现在你有机会抢先体验：《DaWon》将在SN2025展会上独家预售，比2026年1月的全球发行提前整整三个月。

Welcome to Dwan, the brand new strategy game from Space Cowboys. Created by award winning designers, Johan Levitt, the author of Turing Machine, and Johannes Gupi, the author of Faraway, Dwan is a fast paced hero style game of territory control. With a modular board, four game playing variants, and breathtaking artwork, every game is a unique battle for dominance. And here's your chance. DaWon will be available in exclusive prerelease at SN twenty twenty five, a full three months before the worldwide launch in January 2026.

成为首批发现、体验并与社区分享心得的人。《DeJuan》，传奇此刻开启。好，现在我们要聊聊最近玩的五款游戏。我真的很幸运...

Be among the very first to discover it, play it, and share your experience with the community. DeJuan, the story begins now. Yeah. So now we're gonna talk about five games we played recently. Now I am very lucky.

我住得离Nikki挺近的，所以能和她、Nick还有Lincoln一起玩，为你们录制一些游戏之夜的节目，玩些超棒的游戏，一起吃晚餐，真的特别开心。我们俩都玩很多游戏，至少我们尽力了，对吧？但也不是说...

I I live kinda close to Nikki so that I get to play with her and Nick and Lincoln and record some game night episodes for you all and play some lovely, lovely games and hang out and eat dinner, and it's been so much fun. So we both play a lot of games. At least we try to. Right? It's not like Yes.

我们有大把时间玩游戏。开玩笑的啦。不过我们确实尽量多玩。这算是这个爱好的内容创作者的小福利吧，工作就是享受乐趣和玩游戏。没错吧。

We have all the time in the world to play games. No. But we try to. And it's kind of a perk, right, of being a content creator in this hobby is that for work, we get to have fun and play games. That's right.

那么Nikki，你最近玩过什么游戏呢？

So, Nikki, what is one of the games that you have played recently?

好的，我刚列了个清单，这些不分喜好顺序啊。我就按清单来说吧。《Big Sur》是我最近玩过且非常喜欢的游戏，由25th Century Games出版，支持2-4名玩家。

Alright. I just wrote a list, and these are not in in any kind of, like, favoritism order. Okay? So I'm just gonna work from my list. Big Sur is a game that I have played recently and very much enjoy, and that is published by twenty fifth Century Games, and it is two to four players.

设计师是Mondo Davis，我真的很喜欢。这是个卡牌游戏，竞技类，美术设计非常精美。虽然游戏机制不算完全独创或全新，但实现得特别好。

And the designer is Mondo Davis, and I really I really enjoyed it. It's a card game. It is competitive. The art is really pretty on it. And the mechanics in the game, although not completely unique or brand new, were really well implemented into into the game.

玩起来超级有趣。游戏中你要设计加州一号公路的一段或多段路线，这条公路几乎贯穿整个加州。现实中的一号公路风景超美，我这辈子开车走过几次。游戏里你要抽卡，把卡牌打到面前的条带上。最有趣的是你只能往条带左右两侧放置卡牌。

And it's just it's a lot of fun to play. It is a game where you are designing a stretch or stretches of the Highway one in California that pretty much runs the length of California. And there's some beautiful scenery in real in the real life of of the one, and I've taken that ride a couple times in my lifetime. And what you're doing is drawing cards, playing them to a strip in front of you. And the fun part of the game is that you can only place to the right or the left of your strip.

不能从中间断开或做其他操作。一旦卡牌放置到位就不能移动。你要用卡牌作为资源来建造更多路段。所以这是个需要抉择的游戏：我是留着这张卡牌铺路呢，还是弃掉它不用？弃掉后能抽到更好的替代卡吗？

You can't break it up in the middle or do anything. So once you have played those cards into those spaces, they don't move. You are using cards as your as the commodity to build more strips. So it's one of those games where, do I wanna hold on to this card to put into my highway, or do I wanna throw away this card and not use it in my highway? And will I get something that replaces it?

可能更实惠，也可能不是。这个游戏另一个有趣的地方在于，当你弃掉一张牌来支付某样东西时，你会将自己的弃牌堆正面朝上放在面前。而弃牌堆最上面的那张牌背面，可以用来一次性放置另一种类型的帮助，以铺设你的高速公路的另一段。所以这里面有很多有趣的小机制。在建造高速公路的延伸段时，你需要组成三张一套的组合（我记得是这样），并且它们有你正在建造的风景类型的图标。

Maybe more affordable, maybe not. The other interesting thing about the game is that when you do discard a card to pay for something, the top you keep your own discard pile in front of you. And the back of that discard, whichever discards on the top of the pile, is can be used once for a good type to put down another help put down another piece of your highway. So there's a lot of fun little mechanics in there. And building the stretches of the highway, you're making sets of three, I believe it is, and they have icons for the type of scenery you're building.

你必须组成三张或更多一套的组合，才能算作一个延伸段，这关系到游戏结束时的得分。此外，还有一些超级卡牌，只有当你完成了特定类型的延伸段才能抽取，它们会在游戏结束时增加一些额外的得分可能性，或者让你在花费卡牌铺设另一段道路时更灵活。我觉得这个游戏真的非常棒，很有趣，机制简单，但要玩得好需要技巧。

And you have to do sets of of three or more, to for it to qualify to be a stretch, which falls into how it scores at the end of the game. And, also, there are some super duper cards that you can draw from only if you have completed a stretch of that specific type, and it'll add a little bit more scoring possibility at the end of the game. Or it can add a little more flexibility on how you spend your cards to put down another section of the road. And I just found the game really, really nice, really fun, easy mechanic, clever to to play correctly.

是啊。我们住在加州，这游戏简直就像是为我们量身定做的。你知道吗？我们整天都在高速公路上。Polydemic 实际上介绍并教会了我第一次玩，真的超级有趣。

Yeah. With us living in California, this it's really like, oh, this is, like, our game. You know? We're constantly on highways. And Polydemic actually introduced and taught me my for my first play, and it was so much fun.

我当时就想，我得马上买一套，因为我太喜欢了。它太美了。游戏有一点轮抽机制，有一点引擎构筑。它是一款很棒的小型卡牌游戏，但确实会占用一些桌面空间，所以要注意这一点。

I was like, I need to get a copy right away because I love that, you know, it's so beautiful. There's a little bit of a drafting. There's a little bit of engine building. It's such a great little card game, but it does take up some room on the table. So just be aware of that.

确实如此。因为你的延伸段可以有多长就有多长。是的。我发现我越来越喜欢二十五世纪游戏出版社的游戏了。

It certainly does. Because your stretches are as long as you can make them. Yep. So yeah. I I have found that I am enjoying the twenty fifth century game publisher, their games.

嗯，已经几年了，至少我买的他们的游戏都很不错。它们确实是好游戏。我还没有遇到过烂作，虽然我并没有玩过他们所有的游戏，但我选择玩的那些都非常棒。是的。

Rees well, couple years in now, I have found at least the games I've picked up from them. They're good. They are good games. I haven't had it, like, a dud, I should say, I haven't played all of their games, but the ones I have decided to to play have been really good games. Yes.

同意。这是二十五世纪游戏的一大亮点。

Agreed. And that's a big serve from twenty fifth Century Games.

太棒了。我最近玩的游戏是《奋进深海》。它支持1到4名玩家，但有一个5人扩展包。设计师是——抱歉我总记不住名字发音，可能会念错——先向在场所有优秀的设计师和出版商致歉。

Awesome. So the game I recently played is Endeavor Deep Sea. It's for one to four players, but there is a five player expansion. It's designed by now I am bad at pronunciation of names, so probably will mess this up. So apologies in advance on all the lovely designers and publishers in here.

《奋进深海》由卡尔·德·维泽尔和杰拉德·格雷设计（如果我没记错的话），伯特岛游戏和大玩家公会出版。它获得过许多奖项，虽然我没玩过前作，但我非常喜欢《奋进深海》。游戏包含多个任务，我最近玩了第八号任务，特别有趣的是任务卡上的每个目标都有两个选项，而最先到达影响板上特定区域的玩家可以决定计分方式。

But Endeavor Deep Sea is designed by Carl do Carl de Vizzer and Gerard Gray, I do believe, published by Bert Island Games and the Grand Gamers Guild. It has won a lot of lovely awards, and I have not played the precursor to this game. But I really enjoy Endeavor Deepsea. There's multiple missions to be had. I recently played mission number eight, which is quite interesting because the goals that are on the mission card, there's two options for each of the goals, and whoever gets to the little area on the impact board gets to decide which way it's gonna get scored.

这真的会引发很多'接下来会发生什么'的悬念。比如你会想'你觉得能抢先到达吗？我能下次赶过去选择计分方式吗？'这个任务充满不确定性，但我觉得非常有趣。

So it really like, it causes a lot of, like, oh, what's gonna happen here? Do you I think, you know, you're gonna be there. Can I get in there next and choose it? So it's a lot of uncertainty with this mission. But still, I thought it was a lot of fun.

《奋进深海》的设定是：你扮演一艘或多艘探测船的船长，通过声呐探索海洋。游戏结合了行动选择与轻度引擎构筑机制，图标设计也特别棒。

What Endeavor Deep Sea is is you are, I guess, a captain of, like, a vessel, and you have multiple vessels going out. You're going to explore the sea with using sonar. You're it's kind of like an action selection with a little bit of a kind of a engine builder. It's very interesting. I love the iconography in this game.

玩家版图会明确指引操作步骤：首先总会获得新专家卡，提供新行动选项或强化现有行动。比如提升橙色图标能获得更好的专家，绿色轨道决定可用的行动圆盘数量，黄色轨道则决定能从已用专家卡上回收多少圆盘——若未升级这条轨道，可能就无法重复使用该专家。

On your player board, it literally tells you the steps to go. First, you will always be getting a new specialist that gives you a new action or option for actions to do, and it will help you increase the actions that you already have. So, like, you can increase the orange icons, which will get you better specialists. Or then the next one, I do believe, is the green, which basically tells you how many action discs you can have, that you take from your supply and put in your board. Then it's the yellow, which is interesting because this is how many action discs you take off of the specialist that you've used last round and put it into your board to use this round, but also frees up the action.

最后的蓝色轨道控制移动能力：包括移动次数、下潜深度和潜艇部署数量。每局游戏因任务而异，不同海域的探索区域也会变化。行动包括声呐移动（深入探测）、日志记录（通过记录所见升级专家）、研究（用DNA研究海洋生物）等。

So sometimes if you don't increase that yellow track, then you won't be able to, you know, use that specialist again. And then the last track is the blue track, which is basically how you move around, how many times you can move around, how deep you can get, and how you get more subs out. Every game's gonna be a little different based on the mission, based on how the different sections of the ocean that you will see or set up and explore. You can do different actions which include moving sonar, which helps you put out and explore deeper into the ocean. You have the journaling, which you're going to journal about what you've seen.

当你完成某些行动时，不仅自己能获得轨道升级和分数，也可能惠及其他玩家。游戏版图上还有特殊图标位于两个行动位之间，当双方在相邻位置放置行动圆盘时，还能触发合作奖励。

That's how you get to upgrade your specialist. You might give yourself points and increases on the different tracks, but you also might give everybody else something something as well. Then there is research where you're going to be looking at helping the sea turtles and the wildlife, and you have to use DNA to research and journal, and then you get a little something. But every time you have these different boards, some of them will have, like, little icons between two action spots. And so then when you or someone else, you can kinda, you know, co op and get a little something when you both, you know, put a action disc on either side.

这款游戏有竞争和合作两种玩法。我更喜欢竞争模式，因为合作模式非常非常难。通常我喜欢用合作模式教新手，但这款游戏我建议不要用合作模式教新人，先从竞争模式开始。

Now there is a competitive and a cooperative way to play this. I like the competitive way because the cooperative way is very, very hard. And usually, I like to teach new players with the cooperative side. But with this game, I would say do not teach new players the cooperative game. Start out with the competitive game.

如果你和团队经常玩且很熟悉了，再尝试合作模式。我知道他们正在或刚结束一个Kickstarter众筹，推出了新的合作玩法，我很期待看到。你之前玩过这游戏吗？

If you and your group play this a lot and you know it very well, then try the cooperative game. I know they have a Kickstarter that's going on or just finished that has new ways to do the cooperative game. So I'm interested in seeing that. Have you played this game before?

是的，玩过。我非常喜欢。其实我玩的是早期原型版本，我们还录制了一期游戏夜节目。不过我只玩过竞争模式。

Yes. I have. I really like it. I actually played it in an earlier prototype version, and then, we actually filmed a a game night of, this game. And I've only played it the competitive way.

没试过合作模式。但我特别喜欢那个火车连锁机制——两个人需要共同完成某项任务。虽然最后对我毫无帮助，因为我想合作的那位完全不配合。但这个设计很棒，实现了玩家间的真实互动。

Haven't tried the co op. I did very much enjoy it, and I enjoyed that train that the chaining mechanism where two of you are kinda working on the same thing together. It didn't end up helping me at all because the person I was trying to get to contribute was not having it. But I liked that that was there in the game. There was a little interaction there with like, real interaction with another player.

我觉得这游戏互动性很强，你不是在独自摆弄自己的版图。

And I felt like the game was pretty interactive, with the other players. You're not just off on your own board doing stuff.

对。虽然不像工人放置类游戏那样直接卡位，但当你无法拿取足够圆片执行更多行动时，也算是一种阻碍。这款《深海奋进》由Bert Island Games和Grand Gamer Guild发行。你准备的下一款游戏是？

Yeah. And there's not really blocking in terms of, like, worker placement blocking, but there is where you can't pull off enough discs to do more actions, that type of thing. But that was Endeavor Deepsea, published by Bert Island Games and the Grand Gamer Guild. What's the next game you have

给我们准备了什么，Nikki？让我很意外呢。我的清单上有《SinSpan》。哦，有意思。我知道的。

for us, Nikki? Surprised surprised me. I have SinSpan on my list. Oh, interesting. I know.

这是一款支持1至5名玩家的游戏，由Stonemaier Games出品，设计师是大卫·戈登和迈克尔·奥康奈尔。我只玩过原版的《展翅翱翔》，没玩过任何扩展包。凭记忆来说，我挺喜欢它，尤其爱那些鸟类插画——当然可能有些细节记得不是百分百准确。

And that is a one to five player game, and it is by Stonemaier Games. And the designers were David Gordon and Michael O'Connell. I have only played Wingspan, the original version, none of the expansions. And, well, I enjoyed it and loved the bird images. And this is going off of memory, so maybe some of this isn't a 100% correct.

第一次学规则时感觉挺困惑的。有意思的是，现在我玩了《鱼翔浅底》，规则出奇简单——该做什么、机制怎么运作都一目了然。说实话，刚听说《鱼翔浅底》时我还嘀咕：鱼？

It was, seemed confusing when I learned it the first time. Interesting. I have now played FinSpan, and it was so easy to learn. So, like, obvious what to do and how everything worked. And to also, to be honest with you, when they said FinSpan, I'm like, fish?

我对鱼没啥兴趣...好吧，其实我喜欢所有动物，鱼也包括在内。

I don't care about fish. I mean, okay. I like animals. I like all animals. I like fish too.

但若要选个游戏坐下来玩，我本以为会更中意《虫虫争霸》，虽然至今没开过那盒。结果玩了这款后意外喜欢，甚至迷上了读那些鱼类知识卡。巧的是我们刚聊过《奋进号》，

But, you know, if I'm gonna sit down and play a game, I would have thought that, WormSpan would have been the one for me. I haven't I haven't gotten that one to the table. But I played this one, and I really ended up enjoying it. And I ended up liking reading about the fish facts. And the funny thing is is you just we're talking about Endeavor.

这又是款海洋主题游戏——你要不断下潜到深海，不同鱼类只能生活在特定水层。游戏分成三个深度层级，当你首次抵达某列最底层时（应该是三列之一），就能解锁额外行动点。它也是个用行动骰子限制行动次数的游戏，但整体体验让我惊喜连连。

This is another ocean game where you are going deeper and deeper down into the ocean, and there are fish that can only go on certain levels of of the ocean. It's broken up into three, levels. And the first time you get to the bottom level of the ocean in one of the three columns, I believe it is, you you unlock a little bit of an extra action. It is also a game that has action cubes, so you are limited to the amount of action cubes you have to make things happen in your game. And I just I was very pleasantly surprised by by this game.

真不错！我还没玩过《鱼翔浅底》，但很喜欢《展翅翱翔》。《虫虫争霸》也没试过，不过两款口碑都很好，很感兴趣。

That's awesome. I have not played Finspan yet. I enjoy Wingspan. Have not played Wormspan yet. I've heard a lot of good things about both, so very interested in that.

所以这是Stonemaier Games的《鱼翔浅底》。现在相邻的

And that's Finspan by Stonemaier Games. Now adjacent to the

世界之

world of

海洋是一条河流。好吧。我们正在尝试，你知道的，过渡进去。

the ocean is a river. Okay. We're going all I'm trying I'm trying to, like, you know, transition in.

嗯，大苏尔，你知道的，是

Well, Big Sur, you know, is the

最后 确实如此。

last That's true.

海洋也是，所以这里全是水。

The ocean too, so this is all water here.

这里全是水。我们向你保证，这不会是一个以水为主题的清单。我们只是喜欢那些，你知道的，有水的游戏。我最近玩的下一款游戏是一个真正的原型。所以它是《河流市场》。

This is all water. I we promise you this this is not gonna be a water themed list. We do just like games that, you know, have water in them. The next game that I played recently is an actual prototype. So it is River Market.

现在我们俩都做一些游戏测试，我们也做原型和预生产游戏。但《河流市场》是由Kids Table Board Gaming或KTBG出版，适合1到4名玩家的游戏，由Roberta Taylor设计，她设计了这一系列温馨、可爱、精彩的KTBG游戏。他们从《生物舒适》开始，然后是《米普尔谷》，现在我们有了《河流市场》。它有同样精美的艺术风格，同样温馨的感觉，关于收集物资，你知道的？但这款游戏非常有趣，因为卡片有多种用途。

Now both of us do do some play testing, and we do prototypes and preproduction games. But River Market is for one to four players published by Kids Table Board Gaming or KTBG and designed by Roberta Taylor, who has done this whole line of games, cozy, cute, wonderful games by KTBG. They are started with creature comforts, and then it was Meeple Valley, and now we have River Market. And it has the same great looking art, same cozy feel about, you know, gathering goods and you know? But this one's very interesting in that the cards are multiuse.

所以你可以用它来在市场里四处走动，对吧，就是沿着这条可爱的河流获取货物或进行交换，不同的货物或换成钱或其他商品。你也可以雇佣员工，他们会给你奖励。你还可以自己搭建市场摊位。当其他人使用你的摊位时，你同时也能得到一点小好处。非常可爱。

So you can use it to move around the market, right, that is along this lovely river to get goods or to exchange, different goods or to exchange it for money or for other goods. Or you can hire employees that give you bonuses. You can also build, you know, the market stalls yourself. And when other people use your stalls, then you get a little something something at the same time. Very cute.

别玩了。在桌子中央构建一个美丽的画面。它有一个类似圆盘的东西，你可以在市场摊位的圆圈中移动。当你搭建时，你只能在外围的四个位置搭建，而且只能朝一个方向移动。方向。

Quit playing. Builds a beautiful tableau in the middle of your table. It has this, like, kind of rondelle thing where you're moving around the circle of market stalls. And when you build it, you only build on the outside four spots, and you can only move in one direction. Direction.

所以，移动方式非常有趣，但你也可以有这种快速移动的能力，如果你能拿到那些卡片，你可以移动到任何地方。真的很可爱。我很期待看到KTVG推出这款游戏。我每次都很期待罗伯塔·泰勒的设计。而且这是个原型，所以你得等一段时间才能看到它面世。

So, like, the movement's very interesting, but you can have like, there's this ability to rush, and you can move anywhere if you can get those cards. It's really cute. I'm excited to see this come out from KTVG. I look forward to Roberta Taylor's designs every single time. And it is a prototype, so you'll have to wait a little while to see it come out.

但我对这款游戏非常期待。非常可爱。一款非常非常棒的游戏。这就是KTBG的《河流市场》。

But I'm very excited for this one. Very cute. A lovely, lovely game. That is River Market from KTBG.

我的另一款游戏是《丛林》，这是Happy Camper Games推出的2到5人游戏。它是另一款游戏的改编版，而《娜娜鸟》实际上也是基于同样的理念改编的。我还没玩过那款。那也是一款儿童桌游。很有趣。

My other game is Jungle, and that is a two to five player game by Happy Camper Games. It is an implementation of another game, and Nana Toridori actually is an implementation of the same kind of idea. I haven't played that one. And that one is also a kid's table game. So interesting.

设计师是Toshiki Oreo。我想原版游戏可能是《Hayachi火车》之类的。这个版本是个卡牌游戏，是竞争性的，属于弃牌类游戏。

The designer is Toshiki Oreo. And I think the original game it was from is Hayachi train or something like that. This version of the game, it's a card game. It's competitive. It's a card shedding game.

超级可爱。真的很喜欢这款游戏，卡牌上是黑色背景上色彩鲜艳的猴子。这款游戏有趣的地方在于，虽然不是全新的机制，但我仍然觉得这些机制非常有趣：你拿到一手牌，牌会很多，而且你不能整理手中的牌。为了出牌到桌上，你必须出数字更大的牌，并且手中的牌数也要更多。但如果你手牌左侧有一张2，中间有另一张2，中间还隔着三张牌，你就不能把这两张2当作一组出牌。

It's super cute. Really like this one's got these monkey bright colored monkeys on black background cards. And what's interesting about this game, again, although not brand new mechanic, I still find these mechanics very interesting is you get your hand of cards, and it's gonna be a huge hand, and you do not organize them in your hand. In order to play cards down to the table, you have to play a higher number of physical number on the cards and a higher number of cards in your hand. But if you have a two on the left hand side of your hand of cards and you have the other two, let's say, in the middle, and there are three cards in between that, you can't play the twos as a set.

你可以选择中间的两张牌打出，但剩下的两张仍会留在手中。因此你需要通过调整手牌组合，确保在将牌放到桌面上时能形成可击败对手的组合。比如，我可能会试图处理掉那些打乱我数字2牌连续性的牌，这样它们就能在手牌中相邻，从而作为一组两张牌打出，以对抗对手的出牌。此外，尽快减少手牌数量是关键，第一个成功清空手牌的玩家将赢得该轮。游戏会进行多轮较量。

You could choose the two from the middle and play it, but that other two would still, stay in your hand. So you're manipulating your hand of cards to have beatable hands when you place them down to the table. So I might want to try to get rid of the two cards that are breaking up my number two cards so that then they are next to each other in my hand so I can play them as a set of two cards to potentially beat whatever the other player has played. And you do want to get rid of cards from your hand, the first person who manages to do that is going to win that round. You play several rounds.

我通常会让所有参与者轮流先手，确保公平。我特别喜欢这种不能随意调整手牌的机制。老玩家可能知道《Bonanza》这款经典游戏，它的机制与此类似——你会持有一大把手牌，但无法重新排序。

I have been playing it with however many players there are in the game so everybody gets a chance to, go first. I just I really like when you can't mess with your cards. An older game, which a lot of people have heard of, is Bonanza, and that is close to the same mechanic. You get a big hand of cards. You cannot reorganize them in your hand.

不过在《Bonanza》中，你只能从手牌的一端出牌。比如若我开始从这侧出牌，后续也必须延续这一侧。而本游戏的独特之处在于：你可以选择手牌任意位置的牌，只要能将相邻的牌组成有效组合放到桌面即可。牌组中还有些双数字的特殊牌能提供帮助。

But in Bonanza, you can only be taking from one side of your hand. So if I'm starting to take from this side of my hand, that's all that I'm gonna be taking from. So the difference with this mechanic is that you can play from anything in your hand. Just in order to get a beatable thing to put down on the table, you have to have the cards next to each other. And there are a few cards in the deck that are double numbers that can help you out.

当你使用特殊牌时，需声明当前使用的数字，之后必须持续使用该数字，直到这张牌被新手牌替换。游戏过程充满欢笑，常有'不敢相信你这么做'的戏剧性场面。

And when you play that, you announce which number it is that you're playing it, and you are stuck to that number until it turns into a new card in your hand. And then you can play it however you want. And it's it's just it's a fun game. There's a lot of laughing. There's a lot of, I can't believe you did that.

比如'你怎么能凑齐五张7？'这种时刻特别有趣。游戏的氛围可以很热闹，也可以很严肃，完全取决于玩家风格——这正是我喜爱它的原因。

I can't how did you manage to collect five sevens? It's just it's fun. And I think with the people you play with, it could get pretty rowdy or it could be extremely serious. It's just how you wanna play the game, and I just like it.

最有趣的是：虽然属于减牌类游戏，但你可以选择将击败的牌收入手牌，并自由插入任意位置来优化组合，也可以直接弃掉。当无牌可出时只需摸一张牌，且能随意插入手牌中。

And what's really interesting is that it's a shedding game, but you can choose to take the cards that you beat into your hand, and then you can place it anywhere in your hand, which might make your hand better, or you can just discard. And when you can't do anything, just take a card. Right. And you can put that anywhere into your hand. Right.

没错。Happy Camper出品的《Jungo》是猴子主题，而Kids Table Board Gaming发行的《Nanatori Dory》则是鸟类主题。我认为它们是非常相似的游戏。

Yeah. But Jungo is by Happy Camper is the monkey themed. Nanatori Dory that is distributed by Kids Table Board Gaming is a bird themed. Right. So I do believe they're very similar games.

我还没玩过丛林版。是的。所以你玩丛林版，我玩娜娜托里多利。

I have not played jungle yet. Yeah. So you play jungle. I play Nanatori Dory.

好的。

Okay.

我不知道两者有什么区别。

I don't know what the difference is.

我也不知道。我也不知道。我很想知道。现在我确实有娜娜托里多利，而且我想看看它，我想玩它，因为我想找出其中的差异。我喜欢儿童桌游，但我没意识到这是快乐露营者版本。

I don't either. I don't either. I would like to know. Now I do have Nanatori Dory, and I do wanna look at it, I do wanna play it because I wanna find out what the differences are. And I I'd like kid table board gaming games, but I hadn't realized that it was, the happy camper version.

丛林版是同一个游戏。这两款游戏都在我的学习清单上，打算在游戏之夜玩。我选了丛林版是因为喜欢封面上的猴子，但我知道迟早会玩娜娜托拉多尔。我希望两者有足够差异，可以都玩。是的。

The jungle version was the same game. Those were both games on my list to learn and to play and to maybe do for game night. And I chose the jungle because I like the monkeys on the cover, but I knew I was gonna get to Nana Toradore eventually. I would I I'm hoping there's enough difference so that it it You can can both. I yes.

我可以说，差异足够大，我们应该试试。

I can say, like, it's enough different. We should do it.

这就是快乐露营者的《丛林》和儿童桌游的《娜娜托里多利》。最近我玩的另一款精美卡牌游戏是《火花公民》，支持1-5人，由菲利普·杜贝里设计，雷霆工坊出版。这是一款明手牌游戏，结合了轮抽、引擎构建和跟随机制，非常有趣。它有多套牌组，每次可以选择不同角色加入游戏。

And that is Jungle by Happy Camper and Anna Toridori by Kids Table Board Gaming. Now another beautiful card game that I played recently is Citizens of the Spark for one to five players designed by Philip DuBerry, published by Thunderwork Games. It is a open handed card game, a little bit of it's drafting, a little bit of engine building, a little bit of follow. So it's quite interesting, and it has, like, multiple decks. So you get you can choose which characters to put into the game, and they can be different every time.

你可以随机选择。他们确实有不同套装，取决于你喜欢怎么玩。如果你喜欢更温和的玩法，喜欢更具竞争性，或者喜欢更刁钻的方式，他们有不同的套装供你选择，也会给出建议。轮到你的回合时，基本上就是从市场上三张一行的卡牌中选一行拿走。没选的两行则放上一个火花标记。

You can do it randomized. They do have sets depending on how you like to play. If you like to play more nice, if you like to be more competitive, if you like to play more mean, they have different sets that you can, you know, choose from and that they suggest. On your turn, basically, you're just going to take one of the rows of three cards that's on the market. If you don't take the two rows that you don't take, you put a spark on there.

火花是游戏的核心。你需要通过火花获取分数。然后你要把这三张卡牌放入你的桌面板。你需要按不同角色分类堆叠，每个角色都有特殊能力。接着你要选择一个角色并发动其能力。

Sparks are the name of the game. You want the points for the sparks. And then you're gonna put the three cards into your tableau. You are going to stack them by the different characters, and each character has a special ability. Then you're gonna choose one of the characters and do that ability.

能力的强度会根据你拥有该角色的数量而变化。这样你就能看出其他玩家在追求什么角色。有些角色能根据别人的持有情况获得火花，有些则根据你自己的持有情况，还有些能让你获得更多角色或卡牌。

Now the ability can change based on how many copies of that character you have. And so you're gonna be able to see what people are going for. Some characters, you'll get sparks dependent on what other people have. Some characters, you have sparks dependent on what you have. Some characters get you more characters or cards.

有些角色可以防御他人的攻击。但当你选定一个角色后，要公开声明并发动能力，之后其他拥有该角色的玩家可以在你的回合跟随发动相同能力。他们会在内部结算。接着轮到下一位玩家进行选牌和行动。规则非常简洁快速，但天哪，真的超级有趣。

Some characters, you know, defend against attacking by other people. But once you choose a character, you announce it, you do it, then anyone else who has that character can follow and do the same thing on your turn. And they do it internal. And then the next person's turn will be able to, you know, draft and play. It's very quick and simple, but my goodness, it is so much fun.

随机模式特别搞笑，因为你根本不知道会拿到什么。你会觉得'好吧，只能走一步看一步了'。对了，你玩过这个版本吗？我还没试过。

And it is really hilarious when you do it random because you don't know what you're getting. And you're like, oh, we're gonna just have to see how this works. Right? Now have you played this one? I have not.

我觉得这很适合游戏之夜。嗯。好吧。是的。精美的美术风格，拟人化的动物角色，懂吧？

I think it's gonna be a good one for game night. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Beautiful art, anthropomorphic animals, you know?

不错。不过你知道，我很喜欢它的视觉设计。而且和不同的人玩都很有趣。游戏支持1-5人，但我认为3-4人时体验最佳。

Nice. Still, you know, I like the look of it. And it's it's been very fun to play with different people. I mean, it does go one to five players. I do believe it plays better at the higher player counts, three or four.

但你可以两人玩，也可以三人玩。这就是雷霆工坊出版的《火花公民》。

But you can do it two player. You can do it three player. So that is Citizens of the Spark published by Thunder Work Games.

我的下一款游戏？我没什么可说的，因为我还没玩过。

My next game? I have nothing to say about that one because I haven't played it.

但你会的。

But you will.

你会的。我知道。我知道。如果你喜欢，它迟早会传到这边来的。我有《巅峰战队游侠》。

You will. I know. I know. If you like it, it it's gonna get over here eventually. I've got the Peak Team Rangers.

这是一款支持1到5人的游戏，由Matago制作，是Scott Alms设计的游戏。我发现他的很多游戏我都喜欢。所以很有趣。这是个团队游戏，游戏里有五种不同的剧本。

It is a game for one to five players. It is done by Matago, and it is a Scott Alms game, which I have found a lot of their his games I enjoy. So it is a lot of fun. It is a team game. There are five kind of scenarios to the game.

前两个剧本有点像教学关。第一个非常简单。我玩的时候跳过了第一个，直接玩了第二个剧本，也就是第二个教学关。每个剧本都会引入新元素，你们团队需要应对。游戏设定是你们是公园护林员，在公园季节里一起合作修复公园里的各种问题，并记录看到的动物。

The first two are kinda like teach you the game. So the very first one is extremely simple. When I played it, we skipped one, and we just we went to the scenario two, which was the second of the learning games. And each of the scenarios puts in a new element that you as a team are gonna have to deal with. And the idea is that you are park rangers, and you are all working together during the park season to repair issues in the park, different types of things, and to catalog the animals that you see in the park.

游戏中有各种内容，你们要一起合作，沿着这条小径到那条小径，完成目标。我们每个人都有自己的目标摆在版图上，必须达成自己的目标。但其他玩家可以通过交换卡牌等游戏内的各种方式互相帮助。版图边上列出了每轮必须完成的任务清单，任务卡牌数量根据玩家数量而定。这样你也可以调整难度等级。

And there's all kinds of things, and you're all working together to take this trail to that trail to this trail to complete this goal. We all have our own goals that are set up on the board, and we have to make it to our own goals. But other players can help each other get to where they need to be by trading cards and various other things that you can do in the game to help each other out. On the side of the board, there is a list of things that you have to accomplish in each round, a list of a certain number of cards based on number of players. So that messes with the difficulty level also that you can mess around with.

如果你没有完成这些任务，我想说的是，或者公园里的问题，或者无论发生什么，或者要记录某种动物，剩下的任务会延续到下一轮游戏中。因此，你不再需要完成四或五张卡片，而是必须在那一轮中完成六或七张卡片。如果你没有完成一轮的问题，我认为如果你剩下四张未处理的卡片，你就会输掉游戏。而且还有其他输掉游戏的方式，那并不是唯一的方式。

And if you don't complete these missions, I guess I'm gonna say, or problems in the park or whatever it happens to be or catalog this certain animal, the leftover ones will go down to the next round of play. So instead of having four or five cards you have to complete, you now have to complete six or seven cards in that round to do that. If you don't complete a round of problems, I think if you have four cards left over that have not been work dealt with, you lose the game. And there are other ways to lose the game. That isn't the only way.

但我觉得有趣的是，如果那一轮中你有三张或更少的未完成任务卡片，它们不会就这样消失。不，它们会成为下一轮游戏、另一天的问题。这非常有意思。然后我还玩了一个级别，我想我们玩到了那个游戏的第三级。

But what I found interesting was that that round, if there are cards three or less that you haven't completed, they don't just go away. No. It is now a problem for another round of play, another day. And that was very interesting. And then I did play a level I think we went to a level three of that game also.

我还没有继续深入。那个第三级开始为每个角色添加特殊能力，我相信这些能力是在游戏开始时随机分配的。这些能力只是为了帮助你在棋盘上移动，因为猜猜看？你需要处理更多的问题。所以，希望你能更好地在棋盘上移动。

I haven't gone any further. And that level three starts to add special abilities for each of the characters that are randomized, I believe, at the beginning of the game. And that those are just more things to help you move around the board because guess what? There are more problems that you have to deal with. So, hopefully, you can move around the board better.

火灾爆发，道路被封锁，你需要花费卡片来步行移动，花费卡片来沿河移动，而且你必须拥有特定类型的卡片才能走某条路径或道路。所以这种解谜式的思考，比如，如果你给我你的三个blotty blas（我总是说blahdy blah，这让人抓狂），你知道的，给我你的三双步行鞋，这样我就可以走这条路。

And fires break out and roads get blocked and there's you're spending cards to move for walking. You're spending cards to move down the river and that you kinda have to have the specific card type for the path or the road or whatever it is you're gonna take. So that sort of puzzly figuring out, well, if you give me your three blotty blas I always say blahdy blah, it drives people crazy. You know, give me your three walking shoes so I can take this path.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

那太好了。但你必须碰面才能交换卡片。另一件事是，每轮开始时都会分发卡片。所以你会拿到一手牌，猜猜看？它们可能对你很完美，但你一张都不能留。

That would be great. But you have to meet up in order to do that to pass cards around. The other thing is this is a split of cards at the beginning of each round. So you're gonna get a hand of cards, and guess what? They may be perfect for you, but you keep none of them.

如果可以的话，给右边的玩家和左边的玩家各分一半数量的牌。那些玩家也在分配他们的牌。在我玩过好几次的游戏中，很多时候你会拿到一手牌，然后你会想，为什么我不能留两张？我本来可以解决所有问题，但你必须把它们传给其他玩家。所以，这非常有趣，而且它会让你注意其他玩家在做什么，因为这是一个团队游戏，你需要尽力给他们完成任务所需的牌。

Give an even number, if you can, of cards to the player to your right and your left. Those players are also dividing their cards. And so many times that I've played the game, because I've played it several times now, you do get a hand of cards and you're like, why can't I keep two of these? I would have everything solved, but you have to pass them to to the other players. So, that that is very interesting, and it keeps you paying attention to what your other players are doing because it is a team game and trying to give them what they need to complete their missions.

这样就能保持互动持续进行。如今所有的合作游戏中，轮到你的回合时你拥有最终决定权，这很有趣，因为我记得以前合作游戏里并没有这条规则。现在我看的每款合作游戏都把它列为规则。显然，不只是我的游戏小组遇到过这类问题，很多游戏小组都曾为此困扰。

So it keeps the interaction, going. And like nowadays with all co op games, when it is your turn, you are the ultimate say in that, which is so funny because I remember when that was not a rule written in co op games. And now every co op game I look at has that as a rule. So, clearly, it wasn't just my game group that had some issues. It was many game groups that had some issues with that.

所以我真的很喜欢这款游戏，再次感到惊喜，因为我原本不确定会喜欢它。这是Matago出品的《巅峰战队游侠》的亮点。

So, I really enjoyed the game, and I was, again, surprised by that one because I wasn't sure I was gonna like it. So that that was a peak team rangers by Matago.

很高兴我们都喜欢合作游戏。我有些朋友不愿玩合作类，但我最近玩到了我最爱的合作游戏之一《炸弹拆解者》，必须收入收藏。这款2-5人游戏由Hisashi Haisashi设计，Pegasus Spiel出版，我认为四人局体验最佳——当然也支持更少或五人游戏。

I'm glad both of us do enjoy cooperative games. I do have some friends that will not play cooperative games, but I did get to play one of my favorite cooperative games that I need to get into my collection. That is Bombbusters for two to five players designed by Hisashi Haisashi, I do believe, published by Pegasus Spiel. And this one, I think, is best at four. Now you can play it at lower player counts or at five.

三人局时，一人担任队长持有两盘数字或待剪电线。这是款融合推理元素的欢乐合作游戏，每局会根据进度不同呈现类似战役的玩法。我特别想多玩几次——目前大概玩了10-12关就卡住了，因为后续关卡需要找玩过的老手组队，否则得带新人重玩教学关。本质上这是种'钓鱼'式玩法：你只能看到别人卡背，通过'这张肯定是数字'等线索，大家按相同方向将电线从低到高排列。

At three players, one person will be the captain and have two trays of the, you know, the numbers or the wires that you're supposed to cut. But this is one of those fun cooperative games that are deduction, and then it will wrap up. It's kind of a campaign, and it plays a little differently depending on where you're at. And I I just wanna play more of it because I've gotten towards I think we're on, like, maybe 10 or 12, and and I can't get further because you always have to keep on you know, you have to find someone else that have played before in order to go further or else you have to, you know, go back to some of the tutorials so people understand. But basically, all you're doing is kind of doing a go fish style thing where you're looking at someone else, you're only seeing the backside.

黄色和红色电线要留到最后剪。你指着对方托盘上的线问'这是5吗？'，前提是你自己也有5。若对方确认，双方就能同时消除，这样四张5就解决了两张。若特殊能力卡中有5被激活，就能宣告'现在可以使用这个每局限一次的能力'。若有人已剪过5而你们手上都有，可以直接弃掉。目标是在不剪断夹杂在数字间的黄线（约0.2）和红线（约0.5）的情况下，集齐1到10所有数字。

You get one little hint as in, oh, this is this is definitely a number. And they everyone orders their wires from low to high in the same direction. There are some yellow wires and some red wires that you do not wanna cut until the very end, and you're basically pointing at a wire on their little tray and be like, is this a five? And you have to have a five as well. If they say yes, you both can put it out, and you have done two out of the four fives that are in there.

过程中要推理他人手牌并运用特殊能力。每人有张专属卡可以提问'这两条线之间是这个数字吗？'。玩法非常有趣，每局规则微调变化，但始终充满乐趣。作为推理游戏爱好者，我特别希望能多凑齐四人开这款游戏。

And if there's a five in the cards that give you special abilities, then you could say, oh, this is now active, and we can use it once per game. If someone has already cut the fives and you have both five, you can just put those out. And trying to basically find all the numbers of I think it's one through 10 without cutting the yellows and the reds, which are in between numbers. I think the yellows are, like, point two or something, and the reds are, like, point five. And you're trying to do that while, you know, navigating, deducing what everyone has and using the special abilities.

（接上条）游戏最妙的是每局规则都有些许不同，但趣味始终不减。作为推理游戏爱好者，我特别希望能多凑齐四人开这款游戏。

There everyone gets one card that allows them to say, I think it's like, between these two wires, is it this number? Mhmm. And it's very interesting to play. There's different rules, slightly different rules from game to game, but it's been so fun. I really love deduction games, so this is one that I wish I can get to the table more and I can play more with four players especially.

我同意你的看法。虽然我的清单上没有这款游戏，但我确实玩得非常开心。而且我还想进一步提升游戏等级。是的，我觉得它真的非常有趣。

I agree with you on that. I don't have it on my list, but I did enjoy that game an awful lot. And I would like to get further up the levels on it as well. Yeah. I found it really, really fun.

第一次玩的时候，可能我们没完全搞懂规则，感觉特别难。但第二次玩时我就想：当初怎么会觉得这游戏难？当然不是说它简单无趣——规则理解后玩起来就顺畅多了，你也能逐渐掌握诀窍。不过我特别想挑战他们后续增加的高阶内容。

The first time I played it, I think maybe we didn't have all the rules correct, and it was very difficult. The next time we played it, I was like, why did I have a problem with this game? This is I'm not saying it's easy and and not fun. The rules, it made more sense to play it, and you could figure you could figure it out. But I would love to go higher into what they add to it.

完全同意。

Absolutely.

没错，这是Pegasus Fuel出版的《炸弹专家》。现在你的清单上还有另一款合作游戏对吧？

Yeah. That is Bombbusters, published by Pegasus Fuel. Now you also have another co op game on your list.

是的。我喜欢合作游戏，当然也爱竞技类。唯独受不了那些'针对性攻击'机制——玩这种游戏必须找对伙伴。我经历过太多次因为有人过于较真，导致整个游戏体验变得糟糕透顶的情况。

I do. I enjoy co op games. I mean, I like competitive too. What I don't enjoy are the take that's because really, you have to be playing with the right people. I have been in too many situations where the take that games have been not fun at all because someone is just too serious about it.

我们总是集中针对一个人，而不是把攻击分散开来。我...

We're focused on one person and not, like, spreading the take that. I

我会把攻击分散开来，不会只盯着一个人。有人说过我这样玩会破坏游戏平衡，但我觉得：凭什么只针对一个人？这不是我的游戏风格，而且这样玩确实没意思。

spread the take that around. I don't just focus on one person. So I have been told that I'm breaking a game when I play that way, and but I'm like, you know what? I am not gonna just pick on one person. That's that's not the way I I play them, and it and then it's not fun.

是的。我是说，很多时候这类游戏都希望你去攻击领先者，对吧？没错。但这也可能导致‘造王效应’，也就是说，当所有人持续围攻第一名时，第二名实际上就稳赢了。

Yeah. I mean, a lot of times, these types of games want you to hit the leader. Right? Yes. But that also could king make, which means that, you know, the second place will definitely win when everyone keeps hitting the leader.

所以这种情况其实也不太有趣，不过我同意你的观点。比起在游戏里耍手段，我宁愿保持友善。对。确实。

And so that also kinda isn't fun, but I agree with you. Like, I'd much rather not be mean in a game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

没错，正是这样。

Yeah. Exactly.

我玩过一些带有‘攻击’机制的游戏，它们通过精妙的规则设计避免了演变成单纯的‘围剿领先者’。我认为这需要非凡的游戏设计师才能做到，因为大多数‘攻击’机制最终都会沦为‘集火第一名’，然后游戏无限拖长，让人忍不住想‘到底什么时候才结束？’总之...

And I have played some take that's where they have actually done some great rules so that the game doesn't turn into let's catch the leader. I think those take an extraordinary game designer to do because most take that's devolve into let's get the leader. And then the game goes on forever, and you're like, when is this gonna end? And, you know, whatever. Anyways.

我要补充的是，这类设计必须非常巧妙。我觉得那些节奏快的‘攻击’机制更好，嗯，因为既不会让你觉得自己在霸凌别人，也不会觉得被霸凌。对吧？

I'll mention. It has to be very interesting. I think a lot of take that's that are quick is Mhmm. You know, better, like, because you don't feel like you're bullying and you don't feel like you're being bullied. Right?

对，没错。

Right. Right.

所以短平快的淘汰制游戏没问题，嗯，带攻击机制的那种。但如果拖得太久，体验就变差了。对吧？

So quick, you know, knock them out games are fine. Mhmm. You know, take that games. But when it gets too long, it doesn't feel good. Right?

没错。

So Right.

对。

Right.

但这就是为什么我们都特别喜欢合作类游戏。

But that's why we both really like cooperative games.

嗯。

Mhmm.

尽管它们真的很难，比如接下来你要玩的这个游戏——是的，来吧。

Even though they're really hard, like this next game that you're you're gonna Yes. Come

我清单上的最后一款游戏是《护戒使团的命运》。这是一款1-5人游戏，由Z-Man Games出版，Matt Lecock设计的。我玩过很多次——从非常早期的原型，到接近完成的版本，再到正式版。因为我们有这款游戏，而且很多朋友都求我们陪他们玩。

For the last game on my list, I put Lord of the Fate of the Fellowship. That is a one to five player game published by Z Man Games, and Matt Lecock did that game. I have played a lot. Very, very early prototype, then another close to almost done prototype, and then the real game several times. Because we had the game, and we had a lot of friends who were like, can you please play this game with us?

你能教我们玩吗？所以我反复玩过第一个剧本很多很多次。这是对疫情系统非常出色的改编。

Can you teach us this game? So I have played the very first scenario a lot. A lot. A lot. It is a very good implementation of the pandemic system.

我曾和一些只因《指环王》题材而想玩这款游戏的人一起玩过，他们虽然对疫情题材感到厌倦，我知道这种情况确实存在。但这些人都非常享受游戏，感觉并不像是把疫情机制生硬套上《指环王》主题来让我再买一款疫情游戏。他们对游戏印象深刻，真心喜欢。游戏包含大量剧情场景，还有众多可选角色。

I have played with people that wanted to play it just because it is Lord of the Rings, but they are tired of pandemic, and I know that that is a thing. And those people very much enjoyed it and were just like, it did not feel like I was playing a throw the pandemic mechanism onto the Lord of the Rings theme to get me to buy another pandemic game. They were very impressed by it and and really did enjoy it. And there are a whole bunch of scenarios. There are a whole bunch of characters that you can choose to play.

有两三个角色只在特殊条件或特定剧情中才会登场，设计很精巧。戒灵的小模型非常酷炫，它们立在不同高度的亚克力支架上——大概有三种高度，在版图上四处游走制造各种麻烦。但与疫情游戏不同，这里的'疾病'不会停留在初始区域（如果把戒灵类比为疾病的话）。戒灵会在版图上飞行，始终追逐魔戒。

There are two or three characters that come into the game only under special circumstances or special scenarios. It is neat. The Nazgul, the little Nazgul sculpts are really cool, and they're on these little tall acrylic well, there's, like, three heights of them, and they move around the board causing all kinds of of trouble. But unlike pandemic, the the disease will not stay in the area that it started in. If you wanna equate the Nazgul to the disease sort of, but the Nazgul are going to fly around the board and they're always chasing after the ring.

而弗罗多始终持有魔戒，所以戒灵会一直追赶他。它们可能从魔多出发，但会追踪到这里，然后其中一两个会脱离队伍前往别处。不是随机移动到相邻区域，而是会精准定位弗罗多的所在位置。

And Frodo always has the ring, so they're always chasing after Frodo. So they might start at Mount Dune, but they are going to go here. And then one or two will break off from the group and go there. It's not going to adjacent or random cards. It's going to wherever Frodo happens to be.

所有角色能力都很有趣，各自拥有特殊技能。有个角色是唯一能真正击落并移除戒灵的角色，其他效果都只是将它们召回魔多或引开。

The character abilities all are interesting. They all have special abilities. One of the characters is the only characters that can actually shoot down and remove Nazgul from the game. Oh. All the other effects are just, like, calling them back to Mount Doom or pulling them away.

但这个角色必须在极其特定的条件下才能击落戒灵，这让游戏机制格外精妙。其他角色也各具特色，有的移动力强，有的移动力弱，类似其他游戏中常见的设定。但开发者似乎特别注重让角色能力与其在原作中的身份特质高度契合，而非随意分配能力。

But this one character is the only one that can actually shoot them down and get rid of them, but it has to be under extremely specific circumstances. So that makes all of it really neat. And the other ones are very good too. There's more movement for some, less movement for others, all of those sorts of things that you see in other games. But it it's almost like they really tried to make their special abilities really work with who and what they were from the stories instead of just saying, well, give this person this thing or that thing.

这些设计完全符合原著精神。游戏有个有趣的机制：虽然保留了疫情系列经典的卡牌循环设计（前几张卡牌会在特定条件下反复出现），但卡组有两种背面图案——乌鸦旗帜和兽人旗帜。当你翻牌时，抽牌堆的背面会指示你执行卡牌上半部还是下半部效果。重新洗牌后，下次同一张卡牌出现时，可能就要执行相反部分的效果。

It works with the theming of from the books. The interesting mechanic of this game is while you do have the wonderful card mechanic from all the pandemics where the first several cards will keep coming up over and over again under, again, circumstances. The the deck itself has two different card backs, the banner with a crow on it, and then there's a flag with a bunch of orcs around it or something like that. And so when you take the the the cards and you turn over this one and you're gonna do this one, the back of the card from the draw deck is telling you what you're either gonna do the top of the card or the bottom of the card. So what happens then is when you take those cards and you have to shuffle them back into the top of the deck, the next time that card comes up, it might be that you're doing the bottom half of the card instead of the top half of the card.

这就改变了'我知道新奥尔良卡牌还在牌堆上半部分'这类预判机制。在这款游戏里，你虽然知道某张卡牌存在，却无法预知将执行哪部分效果。我们在原型阶段就注意到这个设计，当时就被深深震撼——因为你全神贯注处理当前卡牌效果时，根本不会留意未执行的那部分内容，等这张牌再次出现时就会完全出乎意料。此外，游戏还创新性地设计了与索伦、萨鲁曼的不同互动方式，这是疫情系列没有的机制，比如必须摧毁萨鲁曼的高塔等任务。

So it changes up that that mechanic of, oh, I know it's we haven't pulled, you know, New Orleans yet, and we know New Orleans is in the top half of the deck. Well, in this game, you know that the New Orleans card is in there, but you don't know if you're gonna be doing the top half of the card or the bottom half of the card. And when we saw that in the prototype, it was there very early on, and I was just blown away by that mechanic because now you're so focused on the game and you're so focused on what the card is telling you to do, you're not necessarily paying attention to the part of the card that didn't that you didn't have to deal with that when it comes up again, you're totally surprised because you weren't paying attention to the bottom half of of the card. Yeah. There's also some other interesting things that you're dealing with Sauron and Saruman in different ways, which is certainly something that was not in pandemic and some of the things that you have to do, like take out the tower, Saruman's tower.

我读过那些书。我不确定那两个家伙是否把一切都搞混了。棋盘上还有兽人在四处游荡，同时游戏会给你一些任务目标，你必须完成它们才能抵达末日火山销毁魔戒。在尝试将魔戒投入岩浆之前，你需要完成一定数量的任务。我觉得这非常有趣，真的很想体验其他剧情场景。

I read the books. I don't know if the two of those guys get them all confused. And there are also orcs running around the board, and there are also things that you, the game gives you, that you are trying to complete in order to get to the Mount Doom and destroy the ring. You have to do a certain number of those things before you can can feasibly try to to throw the ring into the lava. So I found it very fun, and I really want to play the other scenarios.

这并不是说如果有新人表示想玩这个游戏，我们就必须从第一个场景重新开始。我的意思不是说我不会这么做——因为我确实愿意，但我更希望能探索游戏的更多内容。

That's not to say if a new person says, I wanna play this game and we have to start at scenario one again. It's that's not to say I wouldn't do it because I would, but I would like to see more of the game.

没错。每个场景都包含多个任务和一个终极任务。比如第一个场景有三个任务，终极任务就是把魔戒扔进末日火山。我觉得最有趣的是它与标准版《瘟疫危机》的显著区别——你拥有两组角色，因为...

Yeah. And each scenario has, like, multiple missions and then an ultimate mission. So the first scenario, you have three missions, and then you have the ultimate mission of chucking the ring into the Mhmm. Into Mount Doom. Now I thought that what was really interesting that's really different from regular pandemic is you have two characters or two sets of characters because Yeah.

佛罗多和山姆是一组，梅里和皮平是另一组。这两组角色中，一组可以执行三到四个行动，另一组只能执行一个行动，由你决定如何分配。

Frodo and Sam is its own set. Right? And Mary and Pippa has its own set. So you have those two sets, and one is gonna be having three actions or four actions, and one's gonna have one action. And you choose which is which.

是的，这个机制非常有意思。

Yes. Oh, which is very interesting.

而且你还不能把两组行动点拆开使用。

And you cannot break both actions up too.

操作难度确实很高。作为《瘟疫危机》系列的忠实玩家，我认为这是最难的一个版本。我已经玩过多次了，包括单人模式。

You can operate really hard. Yeah. This is one of I love pandemic. This is one of the hardest pandemics, and I have also played it multiple times. I've played it solo.

我试过多人模式，但还是无法通关。我仍在努力尝试，希望能打败这个游戏。我觉得也许三人合作才是我们成功的关键。但说实话，我一直在想，到底该怎么做到呢？

I've played it with multiplayer, but I cannot beat this game. I am still trying to play it so that I can beat this game. I think maybe three players might be the sweet spot for us to actually get this done. But, yeah, I I am like, how do I do this?

我玩过两次三人局。嗯哼。当时我们差一点就成功了。哦对，我们正盯着岩浆机关看呢，突然就功亏一篑了。

I have played at three players twice. Uh-huh. And we were this close. Oh, and Yes. We were, like, looking into the lava thing, and then something happened and done.

所以我觉得，即便是三人合作，也未必能稳赢。

So I don't know. Even with three players, I think it's not necessarily guaranteed.

Z man在游戏制作上真是下足了功夫，不仅是戒灵的设计。还有个骰塔可以轻松拆成三部分，组装一次后就能按这三个模块收纳进盒，重新拼装也很方便。摆在桌上特别华丽，真的让人感觉置身《指环王》的世界，懂吗？

Z man did a great job on the production of this game, not only with the Nazguls. There's also a dice tower that comes apart in three very easy, you know, sections. You put it together once, it goes apart in three sections, fits in the box, and it's very easy to put back together. It's gorgeous on the table as And this really does feel like you are in Lord of the Rings. You know?

就像梅里和皮平会与佛罗多、山姆汇合后又分离，甘道夫可能独自行动但也会施以援手——完全还原原著。而罗斯洛立安的精灵们既要攻击敌人，也可能与其他精灵协同作战，中土各族都有体现。所以我真的很喜欢这个游戏。不过我现在还在努力完成......

Like, Merry and Pippin will come together with Frodo and Sam, and they will leave, you know, just like in the books that, you know, Gandalf might run around by himself, but he will help out as well. And Ledevalesse is going to be trying to hit people, but also, you know, maybe working with other elves, and you have the peoples of Middle Earth and stuff. So, yeah, I really enjoyed this game as well. Yeah. But I'm still on a mission to actually

通关目标。那你得来和我们一起玩，咱们合力通关。不过我想说那个骰塔——我们玩的时候是我组装的，看到整整三页的组装说明时我都惊呆了。

win. Well, you gotta come over and play it with us, and we will try to do it and actually win. But I wanted to say that the dice tower, you were talking about. Okay. I'm the one that put the dice tower together for the game when we played it, and I was blown away that there are three pages on how to put that dice tower together.

第四页还是教你如何拆解回收的步骤。天啊，一个纸板骰塔居然要四页说明书！虽然组装过程挺有趣的，但我还是忍不住想：至于这么复杂吗？

And then the fourth page is the parts that you take apart so that it fits back in the box. Yeah. But I was blown away with four pages of putting a dice tower away. I mean, I put it together and it was fun and all of that, but I was just like, wow. Is a cardboard dice tower, and it's like three pages to put it together.

但这有点像乐高。乐高套装里有说明书，但真的很简单，对吧？所有零件都有编号。你只需要一对一、二对二地匹配，这样很容易看出需要哪个零件以及它应该放在哪里。

But it's kinda like Lego. Lego sets have that booklet, but it's really easy. Right? All the pieces are numbered. So you could just match one to one, two to two, which makes it very easy to see what piece you need and where it needs to fit.

但我很喜欢它包含的内容，比如如何拆解、如何放回盒子等等。这就是Z-Man游戏公司出的《指环王：护戒使者》。没错。至于我最后要介绍的游戏，它不是合作类，而是一款竞争性很强的游戏。

But I love that it has, you know, how you take it apart, where you put it into the box, and stuff like that. So that's the Lord of the Fate of the Fellowship from Z Man games. Yep. And for my last game, it is not a co op. It's very much a a competitive game.

这款《神话骰子》支持3-6人游玩，设计师应该是曼弗雷德·林德尔（抱歉可能记错）。由Plate and Yellow Games出版，美国地区由Hachette Games分销。

It is mythical dice for three to six players. It's designed by Manfred Rindel, I think. I apologize. Published by Plate and Yellow Games, distributed in The US by Hachette Games.

嗯。

K.

在其他国家，这款游戏有时被称为《骷髅王骰子版》，因为它本质上就是骷髅王的骰子版本。这是一款用骰子进行的吃墩游戏，延续了骷髅王的主题设定——第一轮你只有一颗骰子，第二轮两颗，直到第七轮会有七颗骰子。和骷髅王一样，每轮开始前你要下注自己能赢多少墩。在《神话骰子》里，你会说'min tar'（注：游戏术语），然后用手势比划你能赢的墩数。

Now this, in other countries, is sometimes called Skull King the dice game, Because it's literally Skull King dice game. It is a trick taking game with dice. And it has that whole theme with Skull King where you start out with only one die, and then then round two, you'll have two, You know, all the way to round seven, you'll have seven dice. And like in Skull King, you will bet on how many tricks you can win in the beginning of every hand. And for mythical dice, you will go min tar, and then you'll show with fingers how many tricks you can win.

起始玩家会先掷一颗骰子，其他人必须跟随骰子的颜色出牌。游戏中有四种颜色的骰子，还有三颗特殊骰子——就像《骷髅王》里有美人鱼、骷髅王等不同花色，这些特殊骰子不需要跟随颜色。

The leader will go ahead and take a die and roll it. And so you must follow the color of dice. There's four different colored dice, but there's also three special dice. Just like in Skulking, there's three you know, I think it's like the mermaid and the Skulking while there's different suits. And those, you don't have to follow.

即使你有对应颜色的骰子，也可以使用特殊骰子。彩色骰子上有不同数字，玩家屏风上印有所有骰子的面值提示。红色骰子是彩色骰子里最强的，灰色则最弱。所以游戏充满变数，你永远猜不到接下来会发生什么。

Even if you have the colored dice, you can use the special dice. The colored dice have different numbers on it, and the lovely little player screen that you have has all the dice faces on there for you. Like, the red dice is the most powerful colored dice, while the gray is the least powerful colored dice. And so you kind of don't know what's gonna happen. Like, you can be like, okay.

所以他们出了黄色。我可以跟着走，希望不会输，或者我可以出我的一张特殊牌，希望能赢。但即使是特殊牌也有输的可能。而且，比如一张特殊骰子能击败另一张特殊骰子，甚至能给你额外加分。如果你达到你的赌注，每赢一墩，我想你能得到10分。

So they're put out yellow. I can follow and hopefully don't lose, or I can just put out one of my special ones and hopefully win. But even the special ones have a way of losing. And if, like, one special dice can beat a different special dice, give even give you extra points. If you meet your bet, you get, I think, 10 points per bet for per trick that you won.

如果你没达到赌注，你会扣10分。就像在骷髅王里一样，如果你赌零墩，那么你会得到等同于当前轮数的分数。所以如果是第一轮，你得10分。如果是最后一轮，你得70分。非常有趣，玩起来很靠运气。

If you missed your bet, you lose 10 points. And just like in Skull King, if you bet zero, then you get points equal to the number of rounds. So if you're in the first round, you get 10. If If you're in the last round, you get 70 points. Very fun, put to play, you know, really luck heavy.

我觉得比骷髅王更依赖运气，因为这是骰子游戏，但仍然很有趣，特别是如果你喜欢吃墩类游戏。这就是神话骰子。你玩过这个吗？

I think more luck heavy than skull king because it is dice, but it is still quite fun, especially if you do like trick taking games. But that is mythical dice. Have you played this one?

我没玩过。或者说我玩过骷髅王，但是很久以前了。天啊，那真是很久以前的事了。

I have not. Or I have, but a very long time in the skull king. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So long ago.

你刚才说的一切对我来说都完全陌生。所以

I just did everything you said sounded brand new to me. So

但你玩过骷髅王对吧？

there you But you played Skull King. Right?

对，很久以前了。

Yeah. Okay. Long time ago.

是的，而且《骷髅王》是个很棒的游戏。这是一款卡牌游戏，主打技巧博弈，拥有许多特殊能力。如果你喜欢策略类游戏，不妨试试这两款。《神话骰子》由Plate出版，Yellow发行，Hachette Games负责分销。

Yeah. And Skull King is a great game. It's a card game, trick taking, with a lot of special powers. So if you like trick to game, try either of them. Mythical Dice published by Plate and Yellow distributed by Hachette Games.

那么这就是第

So that is episode number

79

79.

期。哇，我已经等不及要看到BGV播客的第100期了。当然，那会很棒。

Nine. Wow. I cannot wait until there's episode a 100 of the BGV podcast. Sure. That's good.

希望到时候我们能做些特别的事情。这次真的太有趣了。谢谢你Nikki参与本期节目，大家接下来在哪里能找到你？你最近在忙什么？

This that hopefully, we're gonna do something really special about it. And this has been so much fun. Thank you, Nikki, for joining me on this episode of where can everyone find you next. What are you doing?

嗯，我主要都在忙《游戏之夜》的内容。下周林肯那边会决定放出哪期《游戏之夜》节目，我自己也不清楚。但你总能在《游戏之夜》找到我——我其实是唯一一个参与了每一期《游戏之夜》的人，现在这都成传统了。就算有时候我不想参加，比如累了什么的...

Well, most everything I do is game night stuff. So it's almost up to Lincoln which game night episode is going to come out next week, and I I don't know. But you can always find me on game night. I am actually the one person that has been on every single game night, And now it has become a thing. So even if I don't want to be on a game night, which, you know, I'm like, I'm tired or whatever.

我也必须出现在《游戏之夜》，因为我不能放弃这个传统。十三年来《游戏之夜》的每一期，我从未缺席过。

I have to be on game night because I can't I can't give that up. It's been thirteen years of game night, and I have been on every single episode.

确实如此。是的。林肯必须出现在每一集里。

So too. Yeah. Lincoln has to be on every single episode.

他是这样，但有少数几集非常早期的剧集里他没有出现。

He does, but he there's a couple episodes very, very early on where he was not in the episode.

哦。

Oh.

是的。所以我真的很投入。就像我一开始说的，我们创建了一个新测验，我是负责测验、图形设计这类工作的人。所以你可以看到我在做这些。太棒了。

Yeah. So I'm really it. And then like I said at the beginning of this, we created a new quiz, and I'm the person doing the the quiz, graphics and all of that kind of stuff. And so you can find me doing those. That's awesome.

是的。你为BGG做了很多幕后工作。另外，如果你参加过任何BGG大会，是的，你通常能在那里找到尼基和林肯。

Yeah. You do a lot of behind the scenes stuff for BGG as well. Also, if you're ever at any of the BGG cons Yes. You usually can find Nikki there along with Linking. Yeah.

我们会四处走动，帮助BGG大会的任何特邀嘉宾。我们会陪在他们身边，告诉他们去哪里吃饭等等。所以我们喜欢在达拉斯时带人们去最好的餐馆。这很重要。BGG的核心。

We wander, and we help any of the special guests that BGG Con has. We'll be with them, showing them where to eat and all of that kind of stuff. So we like to show people the best food places when, we're in Dallas. Very important. The of BGGs.

你接下来会去世界的哪个地方？

And where are you gonna be in the world?

我主要是一名桌游实况主播，活跃在Twitch和YouTube平台。我会直播游戏过程、开箱测评、进行访谈，既与嘉宾互动也独自游玩。

I primarily am a live board game streamer. I'm on Twitch and YouTube. I do live playthroughs. I like I do unboxings. I do interviews, and I play with guests or solo.

我同时隶属于Tabletop Life Network和Tabletop After Dark的Twitch马拉松活动。在YouTube上，我也是Our Family Play Game Voices频道及其Kickstarter预览团队的成员，你可以在BGG商店和YouTube频道看到Our Family Plays的周边商品。我还参与Five Bi播客节目，并担任Rose Gauntlet基金会董事——这意味着你全年能在特定展会上见到我，尤其是Gen Con大会，我负责筹办其中的BIPOC休息区。

I'm also part of the Tabletop Life Network and Tabletop After Dark Twitch marathons. And on YouTube, I'm also part of Our Family Play Game Voices and their Kickstarter preview team, and you'll see Our Family Plays games merch in the BGG store along with on the YouTube channel. I'm also on the five Bi podcast, and I am on the board of the Rose Gauntlet Foundation, which means you get to see me at certain cons throughout the year. The big one is Gen Con. I help put on the BIPOC lounge at Gen Con.

如果你是Twitch或YouTube用户，欢迎加入我的直播。只要不在外地参加展会，我每周会进行四次直播。来聊聊吧，看看我正在玩的游戏。若你在展会现场，请务必来和我们所有人打个招呼，我们很乐意与你寒暄。

If you're a Twitch or YouTube user, please join me. I stream four times a week when I'm in town and not at a convention. And come chat and check out the games that I'm playing. If you're at a con, please come and say hi to both of us. All of us, we would love to say hi to you and chitchat.

如果时间允许——虽然这种情况很少——我们也很愿意和你玩一局游戏。

And maybe, which is very rarely, we have time for a game, we would love to play a game with you.

没错。你还可以在BoardGameGeek直播页面找到所有直播列表，阿曼达是维护者之一。这就像以前的电视节目报，能查看当天各平台的直播时间与链接。很多主播会主动邮件告知直播计划，我们会将其更新到BGG页面上。这些内容可能出现在BGG首页，你也可以直接跳转到主播使用的任意平台观看。

I guess Exactly. You can also find a list of all the streams. Amanda, one of them who contributes to the board game geek livestream page, and it's like a if you remember TV guides, it's like a TV guide of what's streaming today and where and when and all the links. And we have a lot of streamers that just email us and let them let us know what they're doing, and we add it onto a page in BGG. And it can be on the front page of BGG, and, also, you can click through if you prefer to watch the stream on whatever platform they happen to be streaming on.

如果你整天对着电脑工作又想看直播，这个资源会非常实用。

So it's a really good resource if you're stuck on your computer all day long doing work and you wanna watch streams.

完全正确。所有链接都会附在BGG页面的评论区或本期播客描述中。再次感谢收听，我是阿曼达，旁边是我的嘉宾。

Absolutely. And all the links will be in the comments on the BGG page or in the description of this podcast. Thank you once again for listening. I'm Amanda, and there's my guest.

游戏之夜的Nikki。还有Amanda，祝你播客一切顺利。

Nikki from game night. And, Amanda, I wish you all the luck with this podcast.

非常感谢。祝大家今天愉快。您正在收听的是由Amanda Wong制作并编辑的桌游极客播客。请务必访问我们的网站boardgamegeek.com。您也可以在YouTube、X、Blue Sky、Instagram、Facebook和TikTok上找到我们，账号均为boardgamegeek。

Thank you so much. Have a great day, everybody. You've been listening to the board game geek podcast, produced and edited by Amanda Wong. Be sure to visit us on the web at boardgamegeek.com. You can also find us on YouTube, x, blue sky, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok under board game geek.

在Twitch上，我们的频道是boardgamegeek TV，您可以通过电子邮件podcast@boardgamegeek.com联系我们。感谢收听，祝游戏愉快。

At Twitch, we are under board game geek TV, and you can reach us by email via podcast at boardgamegeek.com. Thanks for listening and happy gaming.