Maria Sansone

《贝瑟尼的深度解析》是 mom.com 推出的播客。

The Breakdown With Bethany is a mom.com podcast.

我们真的受够了什么‘新年新自我’这套说辞。

We're so done with New Year, new you.

今年，不如多做真实的自己，在 Bumble 上展现本色。

This year, it's more you on Bumble.

多发点歌单，尤其是那些满是音乐剧曲目的。

More of you shamelessly sending playlists, especially that one filled with show tunes.

多去约双子座，反正你心里清楚，你就是偏爱这类人。

More of you finding Geminis because you know you always like them.

多带着明确的目的去约会，因为你知道自己想要什么。

More of you dating with intention because you know what you want.

你知道吗？

And you know what?

我们真心为你感到高兴。

We love that for you.

也会有人喜欢这样的你。

Someone else will too.

今年做更真实的自己，在Bumble上遇见他们。

Be more you this year and find them on Bumble.

你好，欢迎回到《贝瑟尼的深度剖析》。

Hi, and welcome back to The Breakdown With Bethany.

我是贝瑟尼·布罗尼尔瓦，今天请到的嘉宾是玛丽亚·桑索内。

I'm Bethany Bronsilva, and today my guest is Maria Sansone.

玛丽亚是一位资深电视主持人，她刚出版了第一本书《今晚吃什么？》。

Maria is a veteran TV broadcaster, and she just wrote her first book, Oh What's for Dinner?

这真是一本超棒的食谱书，我们会聊聊她是如何创作出这些精彩菜谱的，以及她走上电视和写这本书的历程。

It is truly a fantastic cookbook and we're gonna dive into how Maria came up with these fantastic recipes, all about her journey to television and to writing this book.

一起来看看吧。

So check it out.

玛丽亚，我们开始吧。

Maria, let's dive in.

我们之前聊过几次，不过通常都是你采访我。

You and I have talked a few times and usually it's like the other way.

你是专业的访谈高手，特别厉害，但我真的很高兴能和你聊聊。

You are the pro interviewer, woman extraordinaire, but I'm really excited to be talking to you.

对于还不了解你的人——说不定有人一直没怎么关注电视——你能不能简单说说，你是怎么走上电视这条路的？

But for people who might not know who you are, you know, who might be living under a rock somewhere, give us some background about your, you know, your your journey to television and all of that.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

可别让电视人自己讲自己的故事，不然一说起来，就得赶紧去接孩子了。

Never give a television personality the floor to tell a story about their life because you'll be like, gotta pick the kids up from school now.

我尽量给你简要说一下。

I'll try to give you the brief synopsis.

我在这一行已经很久了，因为11岁我就开始接触电视行业了。

I have been in the business a long time because I started in the television industry when I was 11 years old.

所以当我说我已经在这个行业干了三十年，其实一点都不夸张。

So when I tell people, I've I've been in this business thirty years.

什么我都见过。

I've seen it all.

他们总问：这怎么可能？

They're like, how is that possible?

你小时候就开始了吗？

Did you start when you were, like, a kid?

是的。

Yeah.

我真的从小就开始了。

I actually did.

我入行特别早，纯属意外。

So I got my start very, very young, completely by accident.

那会儿我在看一场篮球赛，正好参加了灌篮大赛，被当地电视台的记者逮住采访了。

I was at a basketball game, and I was involved in a slam dunk contest, and I got interviewed by a local television reporter.

就这么成了。

Boom.

就这样。

Boom.

就这样。

Boom.

之后的事就都成了历史。

The rest is history.

他们让我上了本地电视台，我开始采访一些孩子之类的事情。

They put me on local TV, and, I was interviewing kids and things like that.

转眼间，ABC体育找上了我，事情就开始越滚越大。

Next thing you know, I got picked up by ABC Sports, and things kind of snowballed.

我说这就像在‘病毒式传播’这个词出现之前，我就已经火了。

I explain it as I kind of went viral before viral was a thing.

转眼间，《华尔街日报》就刊登了一篇关于我的文章。

So next thing you know, there was an article written about me in The Wall Street Journal.

有一天我放学回家，我爸妈说：你得坐下来，我们有话跟你说。

And then I came home from school one day, and my parents were like, we need you to sit down.

大卫·巴特曼、杰·雷诺、《早安美国》、《今日NBC》都给我打了电话。

We got a call from David Butterman, Jay Leno, Good Morning America, Dateline NBC.

我当时就想，什么？

I was like, what?

就在那之后的三到六个月里，我从宾夕法尼亚州伊利市的本地电视台起步，后来还上了杰·雷诺的《今夜秀》，成了美国历史上最年轻的职业体育主播。

And so this was all within, like, three to six months' time that I got my start on this local TV station in Erie, Pennsylvania that I was a guest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno for being the youngest sportscaster in the history of America.

所以我常说，我简直像活了九条命，你知道吗？因为那都是过去的事了。

So I like to say I've lived, like, nine lives, you know, because that was that was then.

之后我就去上普通的高中了。

And then I went and did normal high school.

我去了雪城大学。

I went to Syracuse University.

那时候我其实不太清楚自己将来想做什么职业。

Kinda didn't know what I wanted to do with my life professionally.

我只是单纯享受做个普通的大学生，过着再正常不过的大学生活。

I was just loving, like, just being normal normal kid, doing the college thing.

后来有个机会，凯莉·里帕怀上洛拉的时候需要人代班。

And then an opportunity came up to fill in for Kelly Ripa when she was pregnant with Lola.

她刚和雷吉斯搭档不久，就很快怀孕了，于是他们想找一名大学生来顶替。

So she had just started with Regis, and she got pregnant kind of quickly, and they were looking for a college student to fill in.

我录了一段视频寄了过去。

And I sent I made a tape.

现在回想起来，那简直太荒唐了。

I it was ridiculous.

我确实寄了一段视频。

I sent in a tape.

他们说当时收到了一万份视频，不过嘛，谁知道呢？

They say there was 10,000 tapes that they received, which, you know, who knows?

到这时候，这事都快成传说啦，毕竟都过去太久了。

At this point, it's folklore because it was so long ago.

估计还真有一万份吧。

So probably probably 10,000.

我，是的。

I I yeah.

那时候正好是开始在线投票的时候。

And this was the advent of go online and vote.

所以那时候，天哪。

So because this was oh my gosh.

我当时还在上大学。

I was in college.

我那时候二十岁，所以那是二十多年前的事了。

I was, like, I was twenty years old, so this is twenty something years ago.

那时候你得上网去投票。

And so you had to go online and vote.

简而言之吧，我显然不擅长这个，我不太会说简短有力的话。

And long story short, which I'm obviously not good at, I'm not good at soundbites.

我平时倒是经常说那些简短有力的话。

I'm used to getting sound bites.

是的

Yeah.

我被选中了，有一天替雷吉斯主持，这件事彻底改变了我的人生。

I got chosen, and I I I filled in for one day with Regis, and it changed my life forever.

它让我意识到，这才是我想走的路。

And it it made me realize that that was the path that I wanted to pursue.

因为那时候我已经不是小孩子了。

And because I wasn't a kid anymore.

我当时二十岁。

I was I was 20.

我是靠自己的实力拿到这个机会的。

I got there on my own merit.

不再是因为我是个新奇的噱头了，这对我来说意义非凡。

It wasn't because I was a novelty act anymore, and that was really special for me.

我特别特别喜欢面对现场观众的感觉。

And I really, really loved being in front of a live studio audience.

那天发生了好多事。

And a lot of things happened on that day.

首先，我跟一位传奇人物合作了；另外，我还第一次听到了现场观众的笑声。

One, I worked with a legend, but the other thing was I got my first laugh from a live studio audience.

你有没有

Did you

就是那种感觉。

it was like right.

就那一刻，一切都定了。

That was it.

事情到此为止了。

It was over.

人们说那感觉像上瘾一样。

It's people describe it as a drug.

真的，那种体验完全无可替代。

Like, the it it's it truly I mean, there was nothing like it.

所以我一直在追寻那一天在那个舞台上感受到的那种滋味。

So I'm constantly chasing chasing that feeling that I had that day on that platform.

之后我转向电视行业，大学毕业后第一份工作是在MTV当外景主持人，跑遍各个校园，又过了几年像大学生一样的生活，后来又长期参与全国性的红毯报道。

And so after that, I pursued TV, and I after college, got my first job as an MTV UVJ, where I traveled to campuses and got to live the college dream for a few more years and then went on to do a lot of red carpet stuff nationally.

我曾多年担任奥斯卡奖和格莱美奖的红毯记者。

I was a red carpet correspondent for the Oscars and the Grammys and all that for years.

接着我去了纽约的NBC工作，后来搬到洛杉矶，主持《好日子洛杉矶》，那真是理想中的工作。

Then I went on to work at NBC in New York, and then I went to LA and did Good Day LA, which was truly like the dream job.

就是洛杉矶那边著名的早间节目，如果你不太了解的话。

It's the the big morning show out in LA for people who don't know.

然后我有了两个孩子，想离家人近一点，把孩子带大。

And then had two kids and wanted to raise a family closer to family.

所以我们做了这个行业里几乎没人敢做的事。

And so we did the unthinkable in this industry.

我说的不是现在疫情之后的情况，我儿子现在六岁了，是最小的。

I mean, the pandemic has changed things, but at this even I mean, my son is six now, and he's my youngest.

他出生的时候，我就想，咱们得赶紧离开这儿。

When he was born, I was like, we gotta get out of here.

我现在有两个孩子了。

I have two kids now.

你懂的。

You know?

我们得找个能好好养孩子的地儿。

I just we've gotta be somewhere where we can raise a family.

我们这行的人，非得待在纽约或者洛杉矶不可。

And people in our industry, you had to be in New York or in LA.

以前一直都是这样。

Like, that's how it was.

但我真不在乎。

And I kind of was like, I don't care.

我决定搬去波士顿外头一个小小的海滨渔村，赌一把，看看未来会怎样。

I'm moving to a tiny, like, seaside sailing village outside of Boston and taking a gamble, and hopefully, we'll see what happens.

这是我第一次跟着心走，而不是把事业放在首位，结果宇宙真的给了我很暖心的回应。

I'm leading here with my heart for the first time and not with my career as a focus, and, the universe really responded in a nice way.

我特别喜欢这一点，因为说实话，我在疫情期间发现你的时候，其实是从自己的生活出发的，当时你推出了‘妈妈对妈妈’这个节目。

I love that because you I mean, I I, you know, really discovered, you know, you in my own life for my own self, like, during the pandemic when you launched mom to mom.

那个节目真的特别需要，不过咱们稍微转个话题。

And it was really just this show that I think was so so needed, but just to pivot a little bit.

我正在写一本书，其中一章就叫‘相信自己’。

So I'm actually writing a book and one of the chapters is bet on yourself.

听到你也是这么做的，跟着心走，结果真的成功了，我特别激动。

So I'm really excited to hear that you did that, that you led with your heart, you know, and it worked.

你敢冒险，清楚自己的价值，明白自己能带来什么。

Like you took a chance, you know your value, you know your skills, you know what you bring to the table.

我觉得无论去哪里，都会很幸运能有你，而你最终在NBC波士顿找到了归属。

And I think personally any place would be lucky to have you and you found a home at NBC Boston.

不过，咱们先回溯一下，我们第一次见面的时候。

But okay, so just to go back a little bit, we first met.

我当时特别想上《妈妈对妈妈》这个节目，就是觉得我必须跟这位女士聊聊。

I, like, desperately pitched myself to be on mom to mom because I was like, I need to talk to this woman.

她真的太棒了。

She's so cool.

我们当时聊到的一个话题就是职业倦怠。

And one of the things we discussed was burnout.

是的。

Yeah.

我知道现在快到节目尾声了，说真的，我都不太清楚现在该叫什么时段。

And I know we're kind of you know, we're sort we're at, like, you know, the tail end.

不过你最近怎么样？

I don't know what you call this time, Like but how are you doing?

我特别喜欢关心妈妈们，尤其是职场妈妈。

I love to check-in with moms, working moms especially.

你们现在一切都还好吗？经历了这么多之后。

Like, how are they how are you doing now with everything that that has happened?

今天我还不错。

Today, I'm good.

日子是一天一天过的。

It's a it's a day to day.

我很容易感到不堪重负，这正是我们在《妈妈对妈妈》里经常聊的话题。

I I tend to get very overwhelmed, and that's something on mom to mom that we talk about all the time.

我知道这并不是我独有的感受。

I realize that's not unique to me.

很多女性、很多妈妈、很多家长都有类似的经历。

That's a common thread for a lot of women, a lot of moms, a lot of parents.

我觉得疫情期间情况更严重了，因为世界发生了那么多事，我们爱的人生病了，甚至有人离世。

And I think that during the pandemic, it really escalated, because of what was happening in our world, and people we loved were sick, people were dying.

那段时间真的很难熬。

It was it was tough.

你懂的。

You know?

我们一下子都成了老师。

We all of a sudden became teachers.

平时我们已经忙得够呛，那会儿简直是在同时戴二十多顶帽子。

We were wearing, you know, 25 hats when we we normally wear a whole bunch, but this was next level.

为了让自己有点盼头，我决定趁那段时间写本书——你也知道，我在电视行业干了这么多年。

So, to make things more interesting, I decided to start writing a book during that time in a world which, you know, I mentioned how long I've been in the TV industry.

我懂电视，可对当作家，我几乎一无所知。

As much as I know about television, that's how little I knew about being an author.

我对出版完全不懂。

I knew nothing about publishing.

更别提怎么推销书、写提案了。

I knew nothing about pitching a a book or writing a proposal.

但疫情期间，我本来就是个爱创作的人，那些小小的创作，恰恰帮我熬过了最难的那段日子。

But during the pandemic, I'm a very creative person, and I think that that that helped me get through the tougher times was to find those little pieces for me to just create.

那会儿我特别高效，要是坐下来跟心理医生聊，估计得说我是有点躁狂了。

Like, I was ultra productive, maybe a little manic during those times if we were to sit down with a therapist.

但那时候我终于有空坐下来，一口气把提案写完了，以前根本没时间做这事。

But that was the time that I found to sit down and bang out a proposal, which I never had time to do that.

以前哪有精力干这个，结果这次居然做到了。

I never had the bandwidth for that, and so I was able to do that.

不过回答你的问题，说实话，这事儿从来就没停过。

But to answer your question, I mean, it's like it never ends.

你懂的吧。

Know?

我孩子那儿，永远都有新情况。

My kids it's always something new.

刚觉得项目或者孩子、家里的事儿有点起色了，立马又冒出新的问题。

Just when I think we're turning a corner with either a, you know, a project professionally or something that's going on with the kids or something that's going on with the family, something else inevitably happens.

所以我现在想做的，就是从这些年跟各位专家——包括你——在《妈妈对妈妈》节目里聊到的经验中学到的，提前打好基础，建立一套自己的应对系统，好让事情来了不至于手忙脚乱。

So what I'm trying to do and what I've learned from all of the wonderful experts, including yourself that I've talked to over the years on mom to mom, is to lay some groundwork and get some systems in place for myself so that when things do happen, we're we're a little bit prepared.

你明白我的意思吧。

You know what I mean?

比如说，我们得打下一些基础，像照顾好自己、找人聊聊、保持条理之类的，只要能让你觉得安心就行，毕竟谁也不知道下一刻会发生什么——就像疫情那样。

Like, there there's a foundation there, including things like self care and, you know, talking to somebody and, you know, just staying organized or whatever it is that that makes you feel secure, because we don't know what's around the corner, aka the pandemic.

对吧？

Right?

没人料到疫情会来，但其实我们每个人每天都会遇到各种小规模的‘疫情’。

No one no one saw that coming, but we all have little versions of pandemics that go on on our lives on a daily.

我觉得你说得完全对。

I mean, I think you're absolutely right.

我特别欣赏你的一点，就是你的幽默感。

And something that I really admire about you is, like, your sense of humor.

你总能恰到好处地逗大家一笑，尤其是在我们情绪低落、精疲力尽或者压力山大的时候。

I think that you have a really great way to kind of, like, bring in a laugh when we maybe you're feeling low or burnt out or overwhelmed.

那你的孩子们也有这种幽默感吗？

So do your kids have that as well?

要是不能笑的话，我们早就疯了——就像我们亲爱的吉米·巴菲特说的那样。

I mean, if we couldn't laugh, we would all go insane in the words of our dear Jimmy Buffett.

我孩子他们的幽默感特别有意思。

My kids are their sense of humor is very funny.

我女儿上三年级，她叫格蕾丝，但我总叫她‘严肃苏珊’，因为她一向很正经。

So my daughter my daughter is in third grade, and I always called her her name is Grace, but I always called her serious Susan because she's just very serious.

想逗她笑可不容易。

She's kinda hard to get a laugh out of.

只要能逗格蕾丝笑，我就知道——成了。

So if I get a laugh out of Grace, I know, like, okay.

她的幽默感特别冷。

She has a dry sense of humor in this.

她很聪明，喜欢那种机智的笑话，但就是不苟言笑。

She's very intellectual, and so she likes, like, clever humor and things, but she's very dry.

更难逗她笑。

Tougher to get a laugh out of.

我儿子呢，反而更喜欢那种夸张的搞笑方式。

My son, on the other hand, prefers a little bit more slapstick.

爱闹腾，爱搞笑。

Goofball, comedy.

他特别喜欢逗别人笑。

And he is he likes to make people laugh.

他喜欢逗人开心。

He likes to entertain.

他爱当那个搞笑的角色，毕竟是家里最小的孩子。

He likes to be the goofball, and he's the baby of the, you know, the family.

他五岁。

He's five.

上幼儿园了。

He's in kindergarten.

他上幼儿园算小的，快六岁了。

He's young for kindergarten, so he's he's five and a half.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

我特别喜欢做这个。

I love doing it.

好的。

Alright.

咱们聊聊这本书吧，因为……

So let's talk about the book because Okay.

我读的时候特别惊讶，没想到你不是科班出身的厨师。自从我在Instagram上关注你以来，你一直随手就能做出超棒的菜谱。

When I was reading it, I was shocked to find out that you're not a professionally trained chef because as long as I've been following you on Instagram, like, you've been you've been throwing together these incredible recipes.

我真的很震惊，于是把每一道菜谱都翻了一遍。

And so I was shocked, and I went through every single recipe.

我跟你说啊，

I'm telling you, okay.

那道懒人千层面，这周或者下周我一定做。

The lazy lasagna, 100% making that this week or next.

不过，跟我们说说这本书吧。

But, like, tell us about the book.

你之前提到，这本书是在疫情期间编出来的，能说说是什么启发了你吗？

Tell us about the inspiration of just know, you said you mentioned you were putting it together in the pandemic.

那它是怎么一步步变成现在的样子的？

So tell us how it came to fruition.

听到你这么说，我也很惊讶，因为我一直想真实地展现自己，而我本质上就是一个家庭厨师。

Well, I'm so surprised to hear that too because I feel like I always wanna be completely authentic to what I am and what I do, and what I am is truly a home cook.

我就特别喜欢在家做饭。

Like, I just I love to cook at home.

我喜欢随便搭配点食材做菜。

I love to throw stuff together.

对我来说，厨房是个特别放松的地方，但我知道不是所有人都这么觉得。

I find the kitchen to be a really relaxing place for me, and I know that that's not the case for a lot of people.

我也知道很多妈妈下班回家后，五点是一天中最难熬的时刻，我想改变这一点。

And I know it's not the case for a lot of moms who are coming home and finding that 05:00 is their toughest time a day, and I wanna change that.

我想让大家明白，其实做饭没那么复杂。

I want to empower people and let them know that, like, guys, it's not that complicated.

我们能做到的。

We can do this.

市面上有些食谱书让你觉得做饭特别复杂，动不动就几十种食材，那些书其实很不错。

There are cookbooks out there that make you feel like this is really complicated, and they have millions of ingredients, and those books are great.

我把那些书当成我的晚礼服。

I consider those like my, like, cocktail dresses.

我的这本书呢，就像你那条穿旧了、膝盖还破了洞的牛仔裤，穿上特别舒服自在。

My book is your your comfy pair of worn out jeans with the holes in it that you feel really good in and are really comfortable that

你甚至可以连续五天都穿着它出门，一星期都不用洗。

you could wear five times in a row right like in one week

而且一点都不用在意。

and not wash.

这就是你平时最常拿出来用的那本书。

This is the book that you're pulling out.

我特别开心，因为这本书目前我几乎是唯一一本，还没正式上市，我提前拿到了样书。

I I am so happy because now that the book I'm pretty much the only one that has it so far because it hasn't been released yet, and I got an early copy.

贝瑟尼，我每周有四天都用这本菜谱做饭。

Bethany, I cook out of this book four days a week.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

只要我做饭，用的准是这本菜谱。

The days I'm cooking, I'm cooking out of this book.

我觉得这书真成功，因为现在它完全属于我了。

I am I feel like it's a success because I have I have it for me now.

这本就是我的首选。

Like, this is my my go to.

但整个过程其实特别自然，水到渠成。

But the really, the the way it happened was very organic.

我儿子出生的时候，我一下子有了两个孩子，之前跟你说过，我在洛杉矶有一份特别爱的工作，在晨间节目里。

When my son was born so I now had two kids, and I told you I had this job I absolutely loved in LA and, on the morning show.

那节目简直就是王牌节目。

It was, like, the show, the it show.

我得到了这份工作。

I got the job.

我从那么多人里脱颖而出，拿到了这份很棒的工作。

I beat out all these people to get it, and I had this wonderful job.

后来我怀上了儿子，却被节目组裁掉了。

And now I'm pregnant with my son, and I got cut from the show.

我根本没料到会发生这种事。

And I didn't really see it coming.

那段时间真的很伤人，但我根本没空去消化，因为当时正怀着儿子。

It was really kind of traumatic, but I kinda didn't have time to deal with it because I was pregnant with my son.

我中间怀孕特别艰难，经历了好几次流产。

I really, really had a lot of I had a hard time getting pregnant in between, had a lot of miscarriages.

那时候我就像蒙着眼睛一样，什么也看不见。

Just like I had the blinders on.

我现在唯一的心愿，就是安顿好这个家，顺利怀孕，生个健康的孩子。

Like, my my thing right now is to get this family situated, have a healthy pregnancy, have a healthy baby.

所以我根本没法消化刚发生的事。

So I couldn't couldn't process what had just happened.

那真的很难受，但我就是没法理清头绪。

It was really hard, but I couldn't process it.

我儿子出生后，他才六个月大，再加上我四岁的女儿，我特别想念和观众的联系。

So once my son was born, now I have, like, a six month old son, and I've got a four year old daughter, and I really missed connecting with my audience.

我特别想念直播节目，还收到很多以前每天看我的观众的消息，他们问我：你去哪儿了？

I missed live TV so much, and I was getting messages from from people who used to watch me every day who were like, what where'd you go?

产后焦虑、带两个孩子、又丢了工作，我完全不知道该怎么办。

And between postpartum anxiety and, you know, having two kids and losing a job, I didn't even know what to do.

于是我就做了我平时会做的事。

And so I did what I do.

那天晚上我像往常一样在厨房做饭，突然想：不如试试开个Facebook直播，看看会怎样。

I was just in my kitchen cooking, which I do every single night, and I thought, I'm gonna just do this Facebook Live thing and see what happens.

当时我怀里还抱着本尼。

So I had Benny on my hip, basically.

我女儿格蕾西像往常一样坐在台面上，我把手机一转，就对着镜头说：嘿。

I had Gracie sitting up on the countertop as she always was, and I just flipped the phone around on me, and I was like, hey.

我们在做意大利碳烤面。

We're making spaghetti carbonara.

我女儿跟着说：意大利碳烤面。

My daughter's like, spaghetti carbonara.

她老是插手，捣乱个不停。

She kept interfering and everything.

我只好说：嘘。

I'm like, shh.

我们还活着呢。

We're alive.

让我没想到的是，大家特别喜欢这个视频。

And to my surprise, people loved it.

于是我每周都做，这真的满足了我想重回直播、找回那种激动感、重新和粉丝们连上线的愿望，也让他们知道我最近在干嘛。

And so I started doing it every week, and it really fulfilled the need for me to kind of, like, do that live TV and get that adrenaline and connect with the fans again and, like, let them know where I was.

他们特别喜欢和我一起在厨房里待着。

And they absolutely loved being in the kitchen with me.

说实话，我挺惊讶的，每周我都会发个小投票，问大家想吃什么。

And, really, I was shocked because each week I would put out a little poll and I'd say, what should we make?

你们想让我做道简单快捷的辣肉酱，还是想让我做点别的？

Do you want me to make quick and easy chili, or do you want me to make you know?

我会故意提一些难度高一点的菜，因为我觉得谁都能做出我的辣肉酱，就五种食材而已。

And I would name something that was a little bit more advanced because I thought everyone can make chili that mean, my chili is five ingredients.

但每周让我哭笑不得的是，大家总是选那个简单快捷的家常菜。

And each week, to my dismay, they would choose the quick and easy simple meal.

后来，我坚持做了好几年，从疫情开始一直到搬家，都没停过。

And then, you know, I continued to do this for years through the pandemic and everything.

从洛杉矶搬去我岳父母家，再到我们搬进现在的房子之前，我一直住在他们家，可我每周还是雷打不动地直播做饭，场景换了好多次。

Through the move from LA to my in law's house before we were before we moved into this house, like, were living with my in laws, I was still committed to doing the live cooking shows every single week, so it changed so many times.

但唯一没变的是，我总能收到消息说：‘你的辣肉酱每周都出现在我家菜单上，实在太省事了。’

But the one thing that was consistent was I would get messages all the time like, your chili is in my rotation each week because it's so easy.

你的意大利碳烤面已经是我每周的固定菜了。

Your spaghetti carbonara is in my rotation.

我差不多每个月做两次。

I make it, like, twice a month.

我注意到了这个规律，一直想出一本食谱书。

And so I saw this pattern, and I always wanted to write a cookbook.

我一直想写本书，但不知道该从哪个角度切入。

I always wanted to write a book, but I didn't know my angle.

其实答案一直摆在我眼前，整整三年，我都没意识到。

It was right in front of my face the whole time, the whole time, but it wasn't until literally my viewers had to say to me, listen.

直到我的观众直接跟我说：你听好了。

Are you gonna put all these into a cookbook?

你都做了三年了，要不要把这些都整理成一本食谱？

You've been doing this for three years.

这些菜到底在哪里才能找到？

Where can we find them?

他们简直直接给我一巴掌，让我醒醒。

They had to slap me across the face with it.

我这才恍然大悟：对，这就是我的切入点。

And finally, I thought, oh, there's my angle.

快速简单的平日晚餐。

Quick and easy weeknight dinners.

这正是你们想要的。

That's what you guys want.

最后我明白了，其实就是跟大家聊了聊，才意识到我身边的朋友圈里，真的有这种需求。

So I finally it just it took it was it was just talking to everybody and realizing that there was a need for this within my own friend groups.

我真没想到，像我这个年纪、孩子一大堆的女性，居然对自己能不能做顿饭没信心。

I'm shocked that women my age who have a bunch of kids, they don't feel confident that they can put a meal on the table.

她们觉得自己根本不会做。

Like, they don't feel they know how to do it.

我想告诉她们：你完全可以。

And I just want to say, you can.

其实没那么复杂。

It's not that complicated.

我们得打破那种食物高不可攀的刻板印象。

We need to debunk how how unapproachable food has become in some ways.

我就想把这事变得简单点。

So I just I wanna make it easy.

我想让这事儿变得有趣些。

I wanna make it fun.

我想让晚餐时间不再那么让人焦虑，把这负担卸掉，毕竟外面的烦恼已经够多了。

I wanna make this dinner time not so stressful for everybody and kinda, like, get that off the table because we have enough stress out there.

是的。

Yeah.

我翻过那些食谱，都很简单，图片还特别鲜艳。等我拿到纸质版，就打算放在厨房台面上，让孩子们自己挑。

I mean, I did go through and the recipes are easy and it's such so such vibrant pictures that when I do get, like, my hard copy, I just plan to keep it on my kitchen counter and kind of just, like, let my kids, like, pick.

对。

Yes.

对我来说，感觉就是这样。

It is kind of just like it feels like that to me.

不是像你说的那样，一本特别高大上的食谱书。

Not like like you said, this very, like like, fancy schmancy cookbook.

这是一本不会收起来的书。

This is like a book you don't put away.

它就摆在那儿，告诉你这一周的安排。

Like, it's there, and it's like, here's what here's the plan for the week.

你们也有发言权，然后我们可以一起做，就像你用那些靠谱的资源那样。

Like, you you guys have a say, and then maybe we could do it together, you know, like how you do it it with great sources.

所以我想说，

And so I

我写这本书，就是想让它成为放在厨房桌上的书。

I I wrote this to be a kitchen table book.

对。

Yeah.

你懂的。

You know?

这本书就是打算和你一起在厨房里并肩作战的。

Like, this is meant to be in the trenches with you.

这书很漂亮，我真的这么觉得。

It's a beautiful book, and I believe me.

我在照片上花了大价钱，就是为了让每一张都出彩。

I spent a fortune on, like, making sure the photos were fabulous.

每一场拍摄我都在现场，全程盯着，一点不敢马虎。

I was at every single photoshoot, like, busting with everything.

这书确实很漂亮，但我真正希望的是它能陪你在厨房里奋战。

It's a beautiful book, but I'm I'm mean for it to be in the trenches with you.

我希望看到书页被折角翻旧。

I wanna see it earmarked.

我希望看到上面沾满油渍。

I wanna see grease stains on it.

这本书会陪你度过每一天的忙碌。

Like, this book will be with you on The Daily.

我建议你这么做，因为我知道一天下来真的特别累，工作忙得焦头烂额，简直要冒烟了。

And one of the things I recommend, because I know it can be really hard, you've worked all day, your hair's on fire, you've got smoke coming out of your ears.

星期二晚上，五点半，你刚下班开车回家，突然一拍脑袋：糟了，晚饭吃什么？

It's Tuesday night, it's 05:30, you're driving home from work, and you're like, oh, shit.

晚饭做什么？

What's for dinner?

所以我建议你，拿到书之后，挑个空闲时间，比如周日晚上，或者去超市采购的前一天，坐下来，让孩子们也参与进来。这样他们会觉得跟晚饭更有关系，也更愿意吃。

So what I recommend actually is when you get the book and you have a little time, like, on a Sunday night or when the day before you do your grocery shopping, like, sit down and let the kids get involved because then they'll feel more involved with dinner, and they might wanna actually eat it.

让大家一起来翻一翻。

Let everybody kinda go through it.

提前规划好这一周的菜单。

Figure out what you're gonna eat for the week.

列个简单的清单。

Make yourself a little list.

想好这一周的菜单安排。

Figure out, like, your meal plans for the week.

看看哪些地方能一菜两用。

See if where you can double dip.

找找哪些剩菜能再利用。

See where you can use leftovers.

我还建议了一些方法，比如周日的时候多做点酱料或菜，这样剩下的就能当储备，撑过一整周。

I even have I've suggested ways that you can, like, reinvent some of the meals, some of the sauces that you can make, like, on a Sunday, and then you've got what I call money in the bank for the rest of the week.

我建议你稍微提前准备一点，别搞得特别紧张。

I do recommend, like, getting a little bit ahead of it so it's not a total stress.

但如果你真碰上这种情况——糟了，晚饭还没着落呢。

But if you do find yourself in a situation where you're, oh, shit.

什么吃啊？

What's for dinner?

这时候你随手拿这书看看，因为里面的菜二十分钟就能搞定。

You just pick this up too because the meals are, like, twenty minutes.

有些只要十五分钟，三十分钟。

Some are fifteen, thirty.

还有一道菜只要十分钟。

There's one that's 10.

我的意思是，这都是应急用的。

I mean, this is for in a pinch.

对。

Yeah.

而且说实话，我得讲讲我自己的经历，因为我妈从来不做饭，我老公倒是会。

And it's just you know, I have to just and I speak for my own experience because I didn't grow up with a mother who cooked, and, you know, my husband did.

所以以前我们在这方面经常有矛盾。

So it was always kind of like a point of contention for us.

但后来我开始花时间下厨，你知道的，这事儿吧，有爱也有怨，但看到家人吃我做的饭，那种感觉真的特别有成就感。

But once I did sort of, you know, taking that time in the kitchen, you know, it's, you know, it's love and hate obviously, but I was it was was really fulfilling and empowering to see see my family eat something that I made.

所以我特别想弄到这本书。

So I'm really trying to get my hands on this book.

你还提到过一点，我不确定你有没有明说，但食物真的是一种体验。

And something that you do mention also or what and I'm I don't know if you even mentioned it outright, but, like, food is such an experience.

对吧？

Right?

你提到你的祖父母。

You talk about your grandparents.

你还推荐一种特定的番茄，说我们得买那种。

You recommend a certain kind of tomatoes that you want us to get.

这整个过程，从感官到记忆，全都连在一起。

Like, it's a whole thing from our sensory to our memory.

你能不能多讲讲这个？我觉得我们其实都懂，但又好像没真正懂。

Talk to me a little bit about that because I think that we kinda know it, but we don't, like, know it

懂。

know it.

你这么说真让我起鸡皮疙瘩，因为气味和味道特别能勾起我的回忆。

Oh, it gives me chills when you say that because I'm a very like, smell and taste really takes me back.

比如，我路过一个人，闻到他身上的香水味，就会立刻想起某个地方。

Like, I can walk past someone wearing a certain type of perfume, and it brings me back to a certain place.

或者闻到春天的气息，就会让我回到小时候在外面玩耍的时光。

Or I can smell spring coming, and it takes me back to being a kid and playing outside.

记忆就像是我脑海里的文件柜，而味道和气味是打开它的钥匙。

Like, that's how I that's how I find memories in my file cabinet, and taste and smell go hand in hand.

我小时候真的很幸运。

And I grew up in my I was so blessed.

我的四祖父母都住在离我家两个街区远的地方。

I grew up with both sets of grandparents two blocks away from me.

我被妈妈这边和爸爸这边的祖父母夹在中间。

I was, like, sandwiched in between my maternal and paternal grandparents.

这简直就是天赐的福气。

So jackpot right there.

我经常和我妈妈的妈妈待在一起，她是最会做饭的。

I spent a lot of time with my maternal grandmother, and she was the cook.

我从家里很多人身上学到了东西，但尤其从她那儿学得最多，因为父母在零售业工作，每周干六天。

I pull from a lot of different people in my family, but I learned a lot from her because we spent My parents worked in retail, so they worked six days a week.

他们每天工作时间特别长。

They worked really long hours.

他们开了一家婚纱店，忙得不可开交。

They owned a bridal shop, so they were very busy doing that.

所以我整天跟奶奶待在一起，她每天做三顿正餐，还天天烤派，贝瑟尼。

And so I got to hang with my grandma, and she made three square meals a day and a pie every day, Bethany.

别人听了都觉得不可能。

And people think that's not true.

我说，这位老太太一辈子每天都在烤派。

I'm like, this woman made a pie every day of her life.

我不清楚那些派都去哪儿了。

I don't know where they went.

我爷爷瘦得厉害。

My grandfather was skinny as could be.

我不知道那些派都去哪儿了。

I don't know where where these pies were going.

她总会端给邻居们，但她特别享受待在厨房里的时光。

She'd bring them to neighbors and things, but she loved being in the kitchen.

我管那叫意大利语幼儿园，因为我就坐在她旁边，一起做饭、聊天，她还开着收音机放音乐，那真是段美好的时光。

And I called it Italian preschool because I would sit there with her, and we would cook, and we would talk, and she would play the music on the radio, and we it was just a wonderful experience.

很多食谱一想起来，就让我回到那个和奶奶一起的小厨房。

So so many of these recipes take me back to that little kitchen with my grandma.

书里我详细讲了这些，每一道菜都让我回到过去。

And I explain a lot of this in the book, how each of these things, take me back.

写这本书，真的让我重新连接上了所有已故的祖父母。

And so just writing this really put me back in touch with my my all my grandparents had passed away now.

他们从我们小时候起就已是老人了，一直都是年迈的祖父母。

They were they were old even when we were they were always old grandparents.

别人家的祖父母还年轻，可我家的从来不是。

Like, people had, like, young grandparents.