佛罗里达加油站视角下的战争

我们向《纽约时报》的员工提前展示了跨平台联机功能，以下是他们的反馈。

We gave Times employees a preview of cross play from New York Times games, and here's what they had to say.

我终于可以和其他人一起玩了。

I can finally play with other people.

我很有竞争心。

I'm pretty competitive.

击败朋友和同事很有趣。

It's fun to beat friends and coworkers.

我有一个J，得10分。

I have a j for 10 points.

我猜'tango'不是一个单词。

I'm guessing tango is not a word.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

'tango'是个单词吗？

Tango is a word?

哦。

Oh.

作为英语为第二语言的学习者，我喜欢学习新单词。

As in English as a second language speaker, I like to learn new words.

交叉玩法，纽约时报游戏推出的首款双人文字游戏。

Crossplay, the first two player word game from New York Times games.

今天免费下载吧。

Download it for free today.

能给我加四分吗？

Can I give them a four, please?

是的。

Yeah.

就这样了，兄弟。

That's it, brother.

给你，兄弟。

Here you go, brother.

你能解释一下你接下来要做什么吗？

Can you just explain what it is you're about to do?

我要提高汽油价格。

I'm gonna raise the gas price.

来自《纽约时报》，我是迈克尔·比尔巴罗。

From The New York Times, I'm Michael Bilbarro.

这是《每日新闻》。

This is The Daily.

所以我们得进入燃油管理菜单和燃油价格设置。

So we gotta go into the, fuel manager menu and fuel price configuration.

好的。

Alright.

我要把我的高级汽油价格从4.49美元上调到4.69美元。

I'm gonna go from $4.49 on my premium to $4.69.

过去四周，全美各地的加油站已成为这场战争国内影响的一个缩影。

For the past four weeks, gas stations across The United States have become a kind of microcosm of the war's domestic impact.

在成千上万个加油泵和收银台前，一场意志的较量正在实时上演。

It's there at thousands of pumps and cash registers that a test of wills is playing out in real time.

我只需要把油价下载到我的加油泵上，这就完事了。

I just gotta download the fuel prices to my pumps, and that's that.

价格已上调。

Price increased.

在加油站经理日复一日地决定每加仑汽油该收多少钱，与早已捉襟见肘的消费者决定愿意承受多大痛苦之间，这场博弈正在展开。

Between gas station managers deciding day after day just how much to charge for a gallon of gas and already cash strapped consumers deciding just how much pain they're willing to endure.

我的意思是，你有没有哪一刻觉得，这样做真的很难受？

I mean, does any part of you just feel, like, really bad that you have to do that?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得很难受。

I feel I feel bad.

我的意思是，这是必需的。

I mean, it's a necessity.

我不得不这么做。

I have to.

但，是的，我确实感到很难过。

But, yeah, I I feel bad.

这有点让人难受。

That kinda hurts.

今天，佛罗里达州杰克逊维尔一家加油站对这场战争的视角。

Today, the view of this war from a neighborhood gas station in Jacksonville, Florida.

今天是3月27日，星期五。

It's Friday, March 27.

好的。

Okay.

我想就这些了。

I think this is it.

是的

Yeah.

我们开始了。

Here we go.

嘿。

Yo.

我们快到了。

We're getting there.

嘿。

Hey.

佛罗里达。

Florida.

佛罗里达的司机。

Florida drivers.

上周，日常制作人安娜·福利和我前往杰克逊维尔郊区，采访了一位名叫卡姆·乔迪的加油站经理。

Last week, daily producer Anna Foley and I headed to Suburban Jacksonville to talk to a gas station manager named Cam Joudi.

嘿，各位。

Hey, guys.

怎么了？

What's going on?

欢迎光临。

Welcome here.

嗨。

Hi.

迈克尔，

Michael,

卡马罗。

Camaro.

卡梅隆，很高兴认识你。

Cameron, nice to meet you.

很高兴认识你。

Nice to meet you.

为什么是这个加油站和这位经理？

Now why this station and this manager?

哦，我们可以回来

Oh, we can come on

吗？

back?

好的。

Okay.

太好了。

Great.

是的。

Yeah.

卡姆在这个国家经营着一项迅速消失的生意——一家独立经营的加油站。

Cam runs a quickly vanishing business in this country, an independently owned gas station.

你这儿有些正宗的Little Debbie

You got some serious Little Debbie

正经的Little Debbie零食。

Serious Little Debbie stuff.

当然。

Of course.

是的。

Yeah.

就在那儿，正对着我，一整天都在我对面盯着我，低声呼唤我的名字。

Right there, right in front, staring at me across the way, all day, whispering my name.

蜂蜜面包和

Honey buns and

这意味着Cam独自定价。

Meaning that Cam and Cam alone sets the price.

现在。

Now.

我从未深入了解过收银员的

I've never been in the guts of the of the cashier's

这就是你一直梦想的一切吗？

Is it all you ever dreamed of?

收银员的区域，是的。

The cashier's wing Yeah.

在商店里。

At the store.

我们是在一个星期二遇到他的，当时他加油站的普通无铅汽油售价为每加仑3.79美元，比战争爆发前高出约40%。

We met him on a Tuesday when regular unleaded gas at his station cost $3.79 a gallon, about 40% higher than before the war started.

7.90美元。

$7.90.

卡姆正在加油站便利店的收银台工作，而正是在这条住宅街上、小学对面的这家店里，你才能真正看到他是如何深深融入这个社区的。

Cam was manning the cash register of the station's convenience store, And it's inside this store on a residential street across from an elementary school where you really see how intimately he's woven himself into this community.

嘿，里克，最近怎么样？

What's up, Rick?

李先生。

Mister Lee.

嘿，威利斯。

Hey, Willis.

是的。

Yeah.

你很棒，兄弟。

You're good, brother.

你和很多顾客都

Are you on a

直呼名字吗？

first name basis with lot of customers?

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

再过几个月，到今年七月，就整整九年了。

After eight years, almost nine years this July, it'll be nine years.

我这儿有很多常客。

I got a lot of regulars that come in here.

我觉得

And I think

卡姆大约十年前从他父亲手里接过了这家生意，他父亲移民美国前经由危地马拉，之后开始购买便利店。

that Cam took over the business about a decade ago from his father who started buying convenience stores after he immigrated to The US from Syria by way of Guatemala.

这个加油站是他在我妹妹出生前后买下的，我想这似乎成了一种趋势。

This gas station in particular, he bought right around the time my sister was born, I believe, seems to be a trend.

他有个孩子。

He has a kid.

他有个加油站。

He has a gas station.

他有

He has

个孩子。

a kid.

他有个，我不知道。

He has a I don't know.

卡姆从小看着父亲成为这个社区的非正式市长。

And Cam grew up watching his father really become the unofficial mayor of this neighborhood.

他总是回去看《人人都爱雷蒙德》这部剧。

He always goes back to the show everybody loves Raymond.

那就是他的名字，雷蒙德。

That's his name, Raymond.

所以即使小时候，我们出去吃饭时总会遇到他从某家店认识的人。

So even growing up as a kid, we couldn't go out to eat without running into somebody that he knew from one of the stores.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

服务员，厨房里做饭的人，排队买咖啡的人。

A a waiter, somebody in the back cooking our food in the kitchen, somebody waiting in line for their coffee.

他认识每个人。

He knows everybody.

这远远不止是认识每个人那么简单。

And it went beyond just knowing everybody.

他的顾客都被当作乔迪家族的延伸，是的。

His father's customers were treated as an extension Yeah.

乔迪家族的一部分。

Of the Joudi family.

直到我开始在这里工作，我才意识到父亲对这些顾客的影响有多大，有人会进来告诉我：‘你爸爸，当时我的电被停了，他……’

I didn't know the extent of my dad's impact on some of these customers until I started working here when someone would come in here and tell me like, know, your dad like I he I was I was my my power was off.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他借给我钱，让我能把电重新接上，诸如此类的事情。

And he he loaned me the money I needed to get the electricity back on, you know, and stuff like that.

我跟爸爸说：‘爸，你真的做过这些吗？’

It's like, dad, did you really do that?

他回答：‘当然做了。’

He's like, of course I did.

他们来我的店已经十年、十五年了。

They've been coming to my store for ten ten, fifteen years.

所以对卡姆来说，这是他唯一知道的经营生意的方式。

So for Cam, this was really the only way he knew to run a business.

我这里的这些常客，我已经认识他们八年了。

These regular customers that I get in here, I mean, I've known them now for eight years.

我认识他们的时间比我认识我孩子的时间还长。

That's a longer time than I've known my kids.

我只有一个四岁的孩子。

I only got a four year old.

所以有些这些人，他们一直陪伴着我妻子的怀孕期。

So some of these people, they've been around for my wife's pregnancies.

当我妻子怀孕的消息传开后，我有几个常客。

I had several regular customers when they found out my wife was pregnant.

他们给我带来了整整一箱又一箱的纸尿裤。

They brought me boxes and boxes and boxes of diapers.

这真的太棒了。

Like, it's just really cool.

我觉得没多少人能有这样的经历：顾客几乎每天都会来你的店，有时一天来六次，成为你生活中非常重要的一部分。

I don't think a lot of people get to experience that, where a customer comes to your business almost every single day, sometimes up to six times a day, become a huge part of your life.

确实如此。

They really do.

举个例子，当卡姆抓到当地学生偷东西时——这种情况时有发生——他从不报警。

And just to give you an example, when Cam catches local students shoplifting, which happens with some frequency, he never calls the police.

他会告诉别人。

He tells somebody else.

我认识他们的体育老师。

I know their PE coach.

他每天都会来这儿。

He comes in here every day.

所以我告诉他。

So I tell him.

我给他看我相机里那个孩子的照片，他就让那孩子跑圈或者滚出去。

I I I show him a picture of the kid on my camera, and he makes them run laps or push Out of here.

是的。

Yes.

这就是本地的正义。

That's the local justice.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

所以几周前战争爆发时

So when the war broke out a few weeks ago

战争爆发前，我记得我们油价一直停在2.79美元。

Right before the war, I remember we were sitting at $2.79 for a long time.

卡姆意识到他得涨油价了。

And Cam realized he was gonna have to raise gas prices.

从2.79美元涨到2.99美元，再到3.09美元。

From $2.79 to $2.99 to $3.00 9.

一遍又一遍。

Over and over.

我们在48小时内上涨了近20美分。

We went up almost 20¢ in forty eight hours.

一次又一次。

And over again.

天哪。

Gosh.

几乎每天都这样。

It's been almost every day.

他并不是反复对陌生人提高油价。

He wasn't repeatedly raising gas prices on strangers.

他是在向他真正关心的人提价，那些他明知已经捉襟见肘的人。

He was raising prices on people he really cares about, people who he knows are already stretched very thin.

我希望他们能明白，我涨价并不是为了赚快钱。

I hope they understand that I'm not pricing my gas to make a quick buck.

我定价汽油的方式是我维持运营所必需的。

I'm pricing my gas how I need to price it in order to stay afloat.

为了说明这一点，这实际上并没有让卡姆赚更多钱。

And just to explain how this works, this is actually not making Cam more money.

我的燃油供应商按加仑向我收费，然后我还得考虑他们是否会收取将油运到加油站的费用。

My distributor of fuel is charging me per gallon, and then I have to account for if they're gonna charge me to get it to the gas station.

所以

So

运输费用。

Trucking fees.

运送到加油站本身的运输费用。

Trucking fees to the to the store itself.

此外，我们还必须考虑顾客购买汽油时产生的各种费用，比如信用卡和借记卡公司的手续费。

And then we also have to account for the different fees that are associated with the customer purchasing gas, the credit card companies and debit card companies.

对卡姆来说，汽油的利润率其实非常低。

For Cam, the margins on gas are actually pretty slim.

我的意思是，像我这样的生意，每加仑的利润其实非常微薄。

I mean, there's really such a small amount of profit to be made per gallon for a business like mine.

我的意思是，我这家店每加仑最多只能赚十到十五美分。

I mean, I'm talking maybe ten to fifteen cents per gallon max for for my store.

他的油泵容量大约为8000加仑，通常能维持几个星期。

His pumps hold about 8,000 gallons, which usually lasts a couple of weeks.

因此，每加仑赚10美分，总共就是800美元，这对一个加油站来说，利润出乎意料地低。

And so 10¢ of profit on that is about $800, which is a surprisingly small amount of profit for a gas station

去

to

在汽油上赚钱。

make on gas.

在了解你的客户的情况下，你是如何考虑提高加油价格的呢？

How did you think about this question of how much you could increase the price at the pump knowing your customer?

你是如何平衡这一切的？

How did you balance all that?

我的常客们都很忠诚。

I mean, my regular customers, they're pretty loyal.

我愿意相信，他们会因为这是我的店，而选择我的加油站，而不是那些大型企业或连锁加油站。

I like to think that they would choose my store over a big corporate owned gas station or a big chain gas station franchise like that just because it's my store.

我在制定油价时，能考虑到顾客吗？

Can I consider the customer when I'm making these gas prices?

其实不能，尽管我很喜欢我的常客，但我每加仑不能亏本。

Not really because as much as I love my regular customers, I can't take a loss per gallon.

甚至连我的盈亏平衡点都很难算出来。

It would be difficult to even figure out what my breakeven number would be.

明白吗？

Know?

每加仑至少得赚几美分，否则卖汽油就毫无意义。

We've got to at least make a couple cents off of each gallon or there's really no point in Selling gas.

卖汽油。

Selling gas.

我可以参考路边那家大型连锁加油站今天的油价，他们卖3.99美元。

I could take the gas price of that big chain gas station up the road that's priced at $399 today.

我可以说，我是独立经营的。

I could say, well, I'm independently owned.

我需要更大的利润空间，所以把我的价格定在4.90美元，我完全可以这么做。

I need to have a bigger profit margin and price mine for $4.9 I could do that.

你知道，我这么做没什么问题。

You know, there's no problem with me doing that.

我认识一些加油站老板就是这样做的。

I know gas station owners that do do that.

他们只是比最近的大型连锁加油站贵一毛钱，好让自己多赚点利润。

They go 10¢ over their nearest big corporate gas station just so that they can make a little bit more of a profit margin.

但我选择不这么做，这正是因为我跟我的常客们有这种关系。

I choose not to, specifically because of the relationship I have with my regular customers.

我希望下周就能结束，重新回到每加仑2.79美元的价格。

I would love for this to be over next week, and I go back to $2.79 a gallon.

那太棒了。

That'd be awesome.

我衷心希望这只是暂时的，不会持续太久。

I hope beyond hope that it is temporary and it does not last long.

但，是的，我确实担心这些高价会持续多久。

But, yeah, I I I do worry about the the longevity of of these high prices.

这会对很多人造成压力，包括我自己。

It would it would it would be a strain on on a lot of people, including myself included.

但尽管他有最好的意图，在我们结束对话、卡姆一天的工作即将结束时，他还是去查看了镇上其他加油站的价格。

But despite his best intentions, as we wrapped up our conversation and Cam's day came to an end, he checks in on prices around town.

他的大多数竞争对手的普通汽油价格都是每加仑3.99美元。

Most of his rivals were at $3.99 a gallon for regular.

他一直保持在每加仑3.79美元。

He had been holding steady at $3.79.

他望着加油机。

He looks out at the pumps.

我不喜欢在顾客加油的时候这么做。

I don't like to do it when customers are pumping gas.

于是他打电话上调了价格。

And he makes the call to raise the prices.

所以我要把价格从3.79美元上调到3.99美元。

So I'm gonna raise it from $3.79 to $3.99.

这涨幅不小啊。

That's a big jump.

确实涨得不少。

It is a big jump.

是的。

Yeah.

所以如果我现在走出去，就连那个大牌子也要改吗？

So if I go outside right now, even on that big sign?

大牌子现在也在更新了。

Big sign is happening right now too.

而且这几乎是即时的。

And that's it's almost instant.

对。

Yep.

砰。

Boom.

我们马上回来。

We'll be right back.

《纽约时报》应用程序里有你可能没看到的全部内容。

The New York Times app has all this stuff that you may not have seen.

我可以立即跳转到符合我心情的内容。

I can immediately navigate to something that matches what I'm feeling.

顶部的标签页包含了所有不同的板块。

The way the tabs are at the top with all of the different sections.

这样导航更简单。

It's just easier to navigate that way.

每个人都能找到适合自己的内容。

There is something for everyone.

那些个性化页面，尤其是YouTube那个，是我最喜欢的。

Those personalized page, the YouTube, that one's my favorite.

我也可以轻松地将文章保存在这个区域。

I can also save my articles easily in this area.

在作者署名下方，写着：‘如果你喜欢听这篇文章，请点击这里。’

Right under the byline, it says click here if you like to listen to this article.

我喜欢顶部的烹饪标签非常容易访问。

I like that the cooking tab on top is really easily accessible.

所以当我下班回家的路上，正想着今晚该做什么饭时。

So if I'm on my way home and I'm just thinking, oh, what am I gonna make for dinner?

我会快速打开烹饪板块，看看我 pantry 里有什么食材。

I'll just quickly go on to cooking and say, oh, I've got this in my pantry.

我打算试试这里看到的一些食谱。

I'm gonna try out some of these recipes I see in here.

我总是订购游戏。

I order games always.

做填字游戏，玩Wordle。

Doing the mini, doing the Wordle.

我喜欢它让我接触到这么多内容。

I loved how much content it exposed me to.

一些我从来不会想到去新闻应用里找的东西。

Things that I never would have thought to turn to a news app for.

这个应用必不可少。

This app is essential.

《纽约时报》应用。

The New York Times app.

所有时刻，全部汇聚一处。

All of the times, all in one place.

立即前往nytimes.com/app下载。

Download it now at nytimes.com/app.

早上好，肯。

Good morning, Ken.

早上好。

Good morning.

好冷啊。

It's cold.

在佛罗里达这算冷了。

It's cold for Florida.

是的。

Yes.

确实如此。

It is.

没错。

That's right.

第二天早上，快七点的时候，安娜和我回到加油站，看着卡姆开门营业。

The next morning, just before 7AM, Anna and I returned to the gas station to watch Cam open it up for the day.

她得打开灯，启动加油泵，然后就可以开门营业了。

She's gotta turn the lights on, turn the gas pumps on, and we're open for business.

那些就是加油泵吗？

Those were the pumps?

加油泵。

The pumps.

是的。

Yep.

加油泵。

The pumps

我们想了解，汽油价格持续飙升，包括卡姆最近的提价，对他的顾客造成了多大影响。

We wanted to understand just how much this relentless increase in gas prices, including Cam's most recent hike, were hurting his customers.

所以今天这价格是3块99。

So this is this is three ninety nine day.

你觉得人们会注意到今天这20美分的涨价吗？

Do you think that people are gonna notice the 20¢ increase today?

当然。

Definitely.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

从3.79美元涨到3.99美元。

$3.79 to $3.99.

涨幅挺大的。

It's a big jump.

而且，确实会有一些顾客过来，因为我们昨天还便宜20美分。

And, yeah, we'll definitely get some people in here that are and we were just we were 20¢ cheaper yesterday.

怎么回事，卡姆？

Why happened, Cam?

在加油机那边，如果你想聊聊油价的话。

Over at the pumps If you wanna talk about gas prices.

你现在要开始骂人了吗？

You want me to start cussing now,

人们毫不掩饰。

People did not hold back.

这已经失控了。

It's out of hand.

失控了。

Out of hand.

天哪。

Oh my god.

太糟糕了。

It's awful.

这会影响很多人。

This is gonna affect so many people.

我的意思是，真的很令人难过，因为人们已经在艰难挣扎，而这一切本完全没必要发生。

I mean, it's really so sad because people are already struggling and this was just so unnecessary.

现在你付的钱几乎是几周前的两倍了。

It's like you're paying double now than what you was paying a couple weeks ago.

那些靠固定收入生活的人，面对这样的油价很难承受。

People that's on fixed income, they have a tough time with these gas prices.

看，100.98美元，80。

See, a $100.98, 80.

这是一笔非常昂贵的油钱。

That's a very expensive amount of gas.

从来没这么糟过，老兄。

Never been this bad, man.

大多数人没留下来进行长时间的交谈。

Most people didn't stick around for a very long conversation.

他们上了车就走了。

They got back in their car.

他们告诉我们他们

They told us they

得去上班。

had to go to work.

但在那些真正与我们交谈的人中，很明显的是，他们能够极其细致地描述油价对他们的财务状况的影响，以及这些高价已成为对伊朗战争、对特朗普总统本人，乃至对整个美国承诺的一种公投。

But among those who really talked to us, what became clear was just how minutely they could describe gas prices' impact on their finances and how these far prices have become a kind of referendum, a referendum on the war in Iran, on president Trump himself, and really on the entire promise of America.

是的。

Yeah.

我们正在与人们谈论油价。

We're talking to people about gas prices.

如果你有想法的话。

If you have thoughts.

哦，

Oh,

我现在看到的是两点多，现在已经涨到四了。

I've seen them two something now they're at four.

所以

So

是的。

Yeah.

我们认识了一个叫安德鲁的人，和杰克逊维尔的许多人一样，他是一名退伍军人。

We met a guy named Andrew, who, like many people in Jacksonville, is a veteran.

这个地区是重要的军事中心。

The region is a major military hub.

我是大约一年前刚从军队退役的。

So, I mean, I just got out the military about a year ago.

所以，我现在靠的是固定收入之类的东西。

So, like, now I'm on, like, a fixed income type stuff.

所以，看到油价上涨确实对我的生活造成了一点影响。

So, like, seeing the gas prices go up really kinda hinders that a little bit.

而且我们

And Were

你去过伊拉克还是阿富汗吗？

you in Iraq or Afghanistan?

约旦，阿富汗一带。

Jordan, Afghanistan area.

好的。

Okay.

而且，是的，我一看见那个，他们就把直供切断了。

And, yeah, once I saw that, they cut off the straight.

我当时就想，汽油价格又涨了。

I was like, there go the gas prices.

你给车加油时，现在实际要花多少钱？

When you fill your car, what is the actual cost now?

50美元。

$50.

通常只要30美元左右。

That's usually like 30.

这有点儿……

That's kind of

那么，在你生活的这张饼图里，这笔开销是从哪儿冒出来的？

So where has that come from in that pie chart of your life?

通常这笔钱来自我们的食品杂货预算。

Usually it comes from our grocery budget.

因为其他所有开销都是账单，你不能跳过账单。

Because like everything else is like bills, you can't skip bills.

我的意思是，如果我们确实需要，偶尔也会跳过一笔账单，但马上就会补上。

I mean sometimes if we need to, we'll skip a bill, but we'll just go right back to it.

但通常这笔预算都是从我们的食品杂货开销里划出来的。

But usually the allotment comes from our grocery bills.

这会影响你的饮食方式吗？

And does it change how you eat?

是的。

Yeah.

你能举个例子吗？

Can you give me an example?

比如我们会时不时去那些食品银行领取援助，我觉得这些很有帮助。

Like we've been going to those food banks every now and then which help out, I like those.

很多本地教堂都会提供帮助，这挺好的。

Lot of local churches do help out so that's pretty nice.

我有三个孩子，所以我确保他们先吃，通常我们会先给他们准备好食物，然后我和我妻子才会说，好吧，剩下的这些钱，我们来弄点晚餐。

I have three kids so I make sure that they eat first so usually we'll get all their food first and then my wife and I will be like okay we have this much left, let's get us some dinners.

所以有些晚上，我和我妻子不吃，只让他们吃。

So like there's been nights where her and I don't eat and we'll just let them eat.

但我们对此并不在意，因为只要孩子们能吃上饭，我们就没问题。

But we're cool with that because like as long as our kids eat, we're fine.

这真是一个很有意义的牺牲。

That's a really meaningful sacrifice.

我的意思是，他们优先，我们没问题。

I mean they come first, I mean we're fine.

我们能应付得来，但我估计大概一个月后，一切就会慢慢好起来。

We can handle it, but I think I give it a month before all this levels off maybe.

你希望如此吗？

You hope?

我希望如此。

I hope.

是的。

Yeah.

人总可以抱有希望。

One can hope.

我们只需要抽身离开，别卷入其中，让局势自行平息，这根本不是我们的战争。

We just need to pull out and just not be there and just let the straight open up like it's it's not our war.

这跟我们无关？

It's not our war?

这真的不是我们的战争。

It's it's not our war.

谢谢你花时间与我们交流。

Well, thank you for spending time with us.

当然。

Of course.

谢谢。

Thank you.

感谢你的服役。

Thank you for your service.

我很感激。

I appreciate it.

安德鲁因为这场战争而 literally 跳过正餐。

Andrew is literally skipping meals because of this war.

但我们还遇到了一个人，他的经济困境同样紧迫，但他对这场战争以及特朗普为其辩护的理由有着完全不同的看法。

But we also met somebody whose financial pain is just as immediate, but who sees the war and Trump's rationale for it in a totally different light.

我们正在和卡姆一起聊聊油价。

We're hanging out with Cam to talk about gas prices.

他让我们陪他度过了一整天。

He let us spend the day with him.

你叫什么名字？

What's your name?

威廉。

William.

你做什么工作？

And what do do for work?

我经营一家运输公司。

I own a trucking company.

哇哦。

Woah.

所以这很重要。

So you this is important.

你在汽油每加仑4美元的时候从事运输行业。

So you're involved in the trucking business at a time when gas is $4 a gallon.

有些地方汽油已经涨到5块5了，我们这儿都涨到6块和7块了。

Well, is $5 5 in some states, we're paying 6 and $7.

所以很多钱都从你口袋里流出去了。

So a lot of money's coming out of your pocket.