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这是一期特别节目，我们在苹果发布会后，从加州苹果园区为你带来。我现在就在这里。
This is a special episode coming to you from Apple campus in California After the Apple event, I'm here.
我是杰森·海纳。
I'm Jason Hiner.
和我一起的是我的搭档、同事兼好友，萨布丽娜·奥尔蒂斯。
I'm here with my cohost, collaborator, colleague, Sabrina Ortiz.
萨布丽娜，我们有很多话题要聊。
Sabrina, we've got a lot to talk about.
昨天发布的内容实在太多了。
There was so much announced yesterday.
当然，最引人注目的是iPhone双机。
Of course, the headliner was the iPhone Duo.
我们来探讨一下，它是否就是AI时代的iPhone。
We'll unpack whether it is the iPhone of AI era.
然后还有很多你可能还没听说过的其他发布，但大家都在讨论，比如Apple Watch上的两个主要功能，让这里的每个人都兴奋不已，而且它们确实把AI的边界推得很远。
And then there were a lot of other announcements that you may not have heard of just yet, but totally were talking about, like on the Apple Watch, two major features have everybody here buzzing, and they really do push the AI envelope pretty far.
然后惊喜的是，当然，我们会聊聊新的芯片，聊聊AirPods，再多聊聊新的iPhone 18 Pro和Pro Max，是的，我们这期节目内容很丰富。
And surprise then there's of course, we'll talk about the new silicon, we'll talk about AirPods, we'll talk a little bit more about the new iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max, and yeah, we have a full episode for you.
对，这期会很充实。
Yeah, this is gonna be packed.
一如既往，很高兴回到这个活动，在Apple园区聊聊这些令人兴奋的东西。
As always, good to be back at this event and on Apple campus to talk about some exciting stuff.
所以这是我们在很长一段时间里看到的最大规模的手机发布。
So this was the biggest phone launch that we've seen in a while.
最受期待的一次。
The most anticipation.
它不仅没有辜负期望，还在很多方面让我们感到惊喜。
It did not only live up to expectations, but surprised us in a number of ways, us in a number of ways.
当然也有一些挑战和不足之处。
There are some challenges and some drawbacks.
而且有些方面确实展现了手机的未来会是什么样子，这可能是我觉得最令人兴奋的地方。
There also are some ways in which that it it really talks about what the future of the phone is gonna be, and that's maybe what I thought of as kind of the most exciting thing.
对。
Yeah.
而且这真的触及了一个想法，你知道，AI给了折叠屏手机一个存在的理由，而这款设备绝对是，你知道，更多证据。
And really it gets to this idea of, you know, AI has given foldables a reason to exist, and this device is definitely, you know, more evidence of that.
对，真的很有趣。
Yeah, was really fun.
所有的炒作，感觉苹果活动已经很久没有这么大的热度了。
All of the hype, it feels like there hasn't been this much buzz around an Apple event in so long.
当然，还有新CEO，iPhone终于进入折叠屏领域，带来了全新的形态，我想我们应该从这里开始，而且一如既往，我们会拨开炒作，真正关注它在AI领域的实际用处，Jason，我知道你对此有很多想法。
Of course, there's the new CEO, just having completely new form factor on the iPhone with finally entering the foldable scene, I think we should kick it off there probably, and as always, we'll cut through the hype, and we'll really try to focus too on its actual usefulness in the realm of AI, which Jason, I know you have a lot of thoughts on.
对，怎么
Yeah, how
说呢，当然，当然。
about For sure, for sure.
你知道，问题是，你和我都测试折叠屏好几年了。
You know, the thing is, you and I have both tested foldables for several years.
我一直觉得它们就像是在找一个需要解决的问题的解决方案。
They felt like I always have felt like they were like a solution looking for a problem to solve.
但去年，情况有点变了。
But last year, something sort of changed.
三星Galaxy Z Fold 7是第一次硬件做得那么薄，也是第一次让人觉得，哦，合上的时候，它就像一部普通手机。
The Samsung Galaxy seven Fold was the first time that, like, the hardware was so impossibly thin, and it was also the first time that it felt like, oh, this, when it's closed, it just feels like a regular phone.
你甚至可以永远不打开它，拿着它感觉就像普通手机一样。
You could never open it and just, you know, hold it and feel like a regular phone.
这让我想，哦，好吧，你知道吗？
Was like, that made me think, oh, okay, you know what?
现在我明白为什么苹果要出折叠屏了。
Now I see why Apple's gonna do one of these.
我也有类似的感受。
I had a similar moment.
我和Jason一起评测手机好几年了，每次拿到折叠屏，我都觉得，行吧，挺好的。
I have been reviewing phones with Jason for years, and whenever I came to a foldable, was always just like, okay, great.
它合上的时候越像普通手机，我就越没理由把它打开。
The more it feels like a phone while closed, the less of a reason I have to ever open it.
而且
And
就像你说的，我觉得在过去一年里，它变成了这样：如果合上时真的像普通手机，那我愿意带着它试试，然后就会想，好吧，我给它个机会，偶尔打开几次，接着你就会开始意识到，哇，屏幕更大的显示区域真的能帮你做更多事情。
to your point, I think within the last year, it became something of like, well, if it does feel like a regular phone when closed, I guess I'll carry it and I'll try it, and then it's like, okay, I guess I'll give it a real chance and open it once in a couple of times, and then you kind of start realizing, wow, the bigger surface area on the screen really does help you do so much more.
我最喜欢的一些用法是同时使用两个应用。
Some of my favorite use cases are using two apps at the same time.
比如我写Deep View的文章时会用Google Docs，同时可能和Jason在Slack上协作别的事情，我可以来回切换，而不用牺牲体验，也不用像在iPhone的Safari上那样，在四百五十个标签页之间来回切换。
Like I'll have my Google Docs when I'm writing an article for the Deep View, and then Slacks from Jason perhaps when we're collaborating something else, and I could go back and forth without really compromising the experience or having to toggle between two different windows, which I have always, on Safari on my iPhone, four fifty tabs.
这可不是夸张。
That's not exaggeration.
我没法掏出手机给你看，因为我总是在多任务处理。
That's can not pull out my phone and show you, because I'm always multitasking.
所以折叠屏手机在这方面帮了我大忙。
So foldables have helped me tremendously with that.
而且我很喜欢iPhone Duo上那块7.6英寸的屏幕，用起来几乎就像一台iPad Mini。
And I love that the 7.6 inch display on the iPhone Duo, it really does feel like an iPad Mini almost.
对，确实是这样。
Yeah, it does.
当时解锁的时候，我就想，如果你能有一台设备，既能当iPhone又能当iPad，还能放进口袋里，我觉得大多数人都会想要。
Was the unlock, was like, okay, if you can have a device in your pocket that is an iPhone and an iPad, I think most people are gonna want that.
我们可以聊聊一些AI的使用场景，因为确实有一些特别有意思的，突然变得很吸引人，但还有另一款折叠屏设备，我们俩这个月都在关注，就是Pixel 11 Pro Fold。
And we can talk a little about some of the AI use cases, because there are some really interesting ones that suddenly have gotten interesting, but there's another foldable device that we both have been looking at this year, a month ago, which was the Pixel 11 Pro Fold.
名字有点长，但这款手机也是，合上的时候感觉就像普通手机，像那种高端的大屏手机，比如iPhone 17 Pro Max或者Google Pixel 11 Pro XL，但一打开，突然就能做更多事情，而且它有几个地方特别有意思。
It's a mouthful, but it was another one that all of a sudden, okay, closed just feels like a normal phone, like a premium, like, large phone, like the iPhone 17 Pro Max or the Google Pixel 11 Pro XL, but then when you open it, all of a sudden it can do a lot more, and it did a couple things that were really interesting.
让我意识到，嗯，我在The Deep View上写过，这真的是最适合AI的手机，很大程度上是因为两件事。
Made me realize, like, okay, and I wrote about this on The Deep View, that, like, this is the best phone for AI, and a lot of it has to do with kind of two things.
一个是AI代理。
One is AI agents.
有意思的是，我们的观众大多是AI爱好者和开发者，你知道，他们现在整天被拴在办公桌前，因为他们一直在用AI代理。
It's funny because the folks in our audience, really AI enthusiasts, developers, you know, when they are they're so chained to their desk right now because they're using AI agents all the time.
而且有趣的是，你在旧金山甚至纽约走一走，会看到这些人拿着打开的笔记本电脑走来走去，你会想，为什么有人会拿着打开的笔记本走路呢？
And it's funny, you walk around in San Francisco and even in New York too, these people are walking around with their laptops open, and it's like, Why is a person walking around with their laptop open?
那是因为如果你合上电脑，你的代理就停止工作了，所以他们需要让代理继续运行，所以只能拿着笔记本走来走去。
Well, it's because if you close it, your agents stop working, so they needed their agents to keep running, so they're walking around with their laptops.
不过现在情况好多了。
Well, now this has gotten better.
像ChatGPT、Claude和Perplexity这些应用，现在你可以在手机上管理你的应用了，但还是有点麻烦，对吧？
Some of these apps like ChatGPT and Claude and Perplexity, now you can manage your apps from your phone, but it's sort of a pain, right?
但在折叠屏上，屏幕更大，现在就好多了，因为你可以看到左边所有正在运行的任务，右边可以看到聊天和打开的内容，这样就好多了。
Well, on a foldable where you have more screen, okay, now it's a lot better because you can see all of your things that are running on the left side, and then you can see the chat and what's open on the right side, and, like, it's just a lot better.
是的，这正是我在主题演讲开始时Ternis上台时特别喜欢的一点。
Yeah, and that's what I actually really liked at the beginning of the keynote when Ternis took the stage.
当然，有些是营销宣传，但作为像我这样既大量报道AI又关注这些产品的人，折叠屏这个品类，他的话确实引起了我的共鸣，他基本上是在问，AI时代你需要什么？
And granted, of course, some of this is marketing, but it actually resonated with me as somebody, to your point, who covers AI so much and is also covering these products, just the foldable category, and he basically said, What would you need for this AI era?
你会想要一个非常强大的处理器，而且值得一提的是，Duo 搭载的芯片和 iPhone 18 Pro 一样，都是苹果最新的 A20 Pro 芯片，这是他们目前最强大的芯片组，这真的很厉害。
You would want a processor that's really powerful, and it's worth mentioning, which is pretty incredible, that the Duo has the same chip that the iPhone 18 Pro has, which is Apple's latest silicon, the A20 Pro, their most powerful chipset yet.
所以这已经是一个巨大的优势了。
So that's already a massive win.
然后他还提到了拥有更大的屏幕，正好可以做到你刚才说的那些事情。
And then he also mentioned something about having a larger screen to do exactly what you mentioned.
所以这款手机确实在纸面上满足了所有要求。
So this phone does really hit the check boxes, at least on paper.
当然，我们还没有真正体验过，只是在现场短暂摸了一下，那可以谈谈手感。
Of course, we haven't tried it yet other than a couple of seconds in hands ons, which could talk about the feel.
手感确实很棒。
It does really feel great.
很多人在社交媒体上问我，它摸起来是不是像塑料，或者感觉廉价，但完全不会。
A lot of people were asking me on socials if it felt, you know, if it felt like plastic or if it felt cheap, and it doesn't.
它感觉很有分量，很扎实，现在的折叠屏手机都已经做到了非常坚固的程度。
It feels like a full weighty, hearty foam, which all of the foldables have gotten to a point where really do feel sturdy.
不过不管怎样，至少从纸面上看，它确实满足了你在AI时代对手机的所有期待。
But anyhoo, it does, at least on paper at the moment, check off all those boxes that you would want for a phone in the AI era.
所以我觉得这真的很令人兴奋。
So that's super exciting, I think.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Alright.
我们再聊一款设备，然后聊聊Fold 2的一些具体细节，因为有些东西真的很有意思。
Let's talk about one more device, and then let's talk of some of the specifics of the of the Fold two, because there's some really interesting things.
三星Fold 8。
The Samsung Fold eight.
这款产品可能是受到了我们对iPhone设计的预期启发，也就是那种护照式的折叠设计。
This one came and probably inspired by the designs of what we expected for the iPhone, which was a passport style foldable.
他们不是第一个这么做的。
They're not the first ones that have done it.
你知道，谷歌确实更倾向于那种护照式的设计。
You know, Google did want a little bit more passport style.
其他中国品牌也做过护照式的折叠屏手机，而且过去一年的报道都说苹果选了这种形态，他们确实这么做了。iPhone Duo 就是护照式的折叠屏，合上时更短更方，打开后尺寸几乎和 iPad mini 一样，大概八英寸的平板。
Other Chinese brands have done passport style foldables, and and then the reports over the past year had been that Apple had chose this form factor, which they did, and the iPhone Duo is a passport style foldable, meaning it's shorter and more square when closed, and then when you open it, it's almost exactly the dimensions of an iPad mini, like an eight inch tablet.
所以
So
我们俩今年夏天都试过 Fold eight，当时都觉得，好吧，我明白他们为什么选这种形态了，甚至在我们还没看到 iPhone Duo 之前就明白了，因为它稍微宽一点，打字更舒服。
you and I both tried the Fold eight this summer, and we were like, both like, okay, I get an I understand why they chose this form factor even before we have seen the iPhone Duo yet, and that's because it's a little wider, so it's a little nicer for typing.
而且看视频也更合适，对吧？
Also for, like, streaming, right?
比例更合适。
The ratios fit better.
如果你在看 YouTube 视频，两边不会有黑边，我也很喜欢苹果在发布会开头展示的那个画面，因为它很好地展示了这一点，就是没有那两条黑边。
If you're watching a YouTube video, there's no boxes on the side, which I also did love that visual that Apple included in the beginning of the keynote, because it really demonstrates that really nicely, not having those two bars on the side.
打开看视频时，整个屏幕都能用上。
It uses the whole screen when you watch a video opened.
真的很不错。
It's really nice.
基本上就是四比三的比例，但合上之后，稍微宽一点、短一点的设计，打字特别舒服。
It's essentially like a four by three, you know, ratio, but closed, it's that little bit wider, shorter form factor is really nice for typing.
单手操作也很方便。
It's really easy to one hand with.
而且苹果在软件方面做得特别好。
And Apple did such a nice job with the software.
我觉得软件是他们在这款设备上做得最出色的部分之一，比如你可以把应用栏放在侧面，单手拿着的时候，点起来特别方便。
Like, I think the software is one of the best things that they did with this device is, like you could even put the bar on the side so that you could click all of your apps from easy access holding it with With one one
右手拿的话，如果你是右撇子。
hand on your right hand, you're right handed.
还有，打开手机的时候，那个从开屏动画过渡到全屏的效果特别酷。
Also when you open the phone, it is so cool how it goes from the graphics that show as you're opening it to show you the full screen.
我们会放个视频，因为看比说更直观，不过确实，他们在软件上做得很好，让你能充分利用合上的小屏和打开的大屏。
We'll include a visual because it's easier to see than to explain, but yeah, they did a really nice job with the software there so that you get the best out of the closed screen and big screen.
而且Passport尺寸的另一个好处就是它真的很方便放进口袋。
And also another great thing about the Passport size is that it's really nicely pocketable.
它放进去非常合适。
It fits really nicely.
放在口袋里比那些大手机要舒服多了。
It's nicer in your pocket than sort of the big phones.
因为即使是胸前的口袋，其他那些像巧克力棒一样的手机虽然能放进去，但会露出一截。
Because even your chest, if you have a chest pocket, the other phones that are more like a chocolate bar, they fit, but they'll be sticking out a little.
这个就刚刚好，完美贴合。
This one just fits perfectly right
没错。
there.
对。
True.
这是最让我们印象深刻的地方。
This is the part that impressed us the most.
昨天主题演讲结束后，我们在演示区实际体验了Duo，很明显苹果在这方面下了很多功夫。
When we actually got to try the Duo yesterday in the demo area after the keynote was Apple has clearly put a lot of thought.
这显然是他们研发多年的产品，在软件体验和数字体验上投入了大量心思。后来我见到市场主管格雷格·贾斯维亚克，还专门问了他这个问题。
This is obviously a product that they've been working on for years, has put a lot of thought into the software experience, and really just the digital experience, and when I saw Greg Jaswiak, the head of marketing, afterwards, I asked him about that.
我说，你们研发这个产品有一段时间了，跟我聊聊为什么体验这么流畅吧，因为显然你们在这方面下了很多功夫。他提醒我说，记住，我们不把自己看作硬件公司，而是产品公司。这又回到了乔布斯说的，我们制造整个产品，意思是我们努力对整体用户体验负责。说实话，iPhone Duo最让我喜欢的就是这一点，就像你说的，软件从折叠到展开，从展开到横竖屏切换，再折叠回去，然后在折叠状态下从竖屏到横屏，从横屏到竖屏。
I was like, You've been working on this for a while, so talk to me a little bit about how this is such a seamless experience, because clearly a lot of thought has been put into that, and he reminded me, he said, Remember, we don't see ourselves as a hardware company, we see ourselves as a product company, and it goes back to like what Steve Jobs said about like, We make the whole widget, meaning we try to take responsibility for the whole user experience, and that's the part that I liked the most about the iPhone Duo, honestly, was like you said, the software opening it from sort of closed to open, taking it from open and moving from landscape to portrait, from going back and then closing it again and then taking it, you know, in the closed and going to portrait, from portrait to landscape.
所有这些操作都那么快、那么流畅，你只需要想，不管你在用什么应用或体验，哪种方式最好用？
Like, all of that is so fast, so seamless that you could think about, okay, whatever app or experience you're in, what's the best way to use it?
然后你就在这些模式之间切换，找到最合适的那种。
And it just, you know, move between that and find the best one.
这就是我注意到的第一件事。
That was the part that I thought, first thing that I noticed was that.
所有应用也都经过定制和重新设计，完美适配那块屏幕，并且与体验互动，这在其他开发者生态系统中有时还会出现卡顿，因为那些应用并没有完全适配这种形态。
All the apps also being really custom and redesigned to fit that screen perfectly and to interact with the experience, that's still something that's glitchy sometimes on other developer ecosystems, where they're not exactly catered to that form factor.
然后你就会遇到屏幕显示异常和应用崩溃的问题。
And then you're like, left with a wonky screen and app crashing.
很多时候你打开应用都得重启，真的很麻烦。
You have to restart the app when you open it more times than not, and it's just a hassle.
所以再次给苹果的软件点赞，另外你可能在节目开头就好奇，为什么我们在拆解这些非苹果的折叠屏手机？
So again, hats off to Apple for the software, and also you might have been wondering at the beginning of this podcast, why are unpacking all of these non Apple foldable phones?
但真正的原因是，苹果在整合市场上所有产品时做得太好了，它找出了哪些功能最好用、哪些不好用，然后把它们应用到了这款最终产品上。
But the reason really is it boils down to the fact that Apple did such a great job on basically taking everything in the market and finding the things that worked the best or didn't work, and then applying that into this final device.
比如我最喜欢的一个小细节，就是摄像头藏在屏幕下面。
Like one of my favorite little things, it's a small detail, the camera being underneath.
基本上，你浏览或使用内屏的时候看不到摄像头，除非你真的想用摄像头。
So basically you don't see the camera when you're just browsing or just using the inner display unless you're actually wanting to use the camera.
这也是我在Galaxy Z Fold 8上最烦的一点，我经常用它，它很棒，尺寸比例也刚好是我们刚才聊的那种。
And that's one of my biggest pet peeves on the Galaxy Z Fold eight is the fact that I'm always using it, and it's awesome, it's handy for the same proportions that we just talked about.
就像，太好了，让我翻过来。
It's like, great, let me flip it.
但摄像头那个黑点总是挡在字上，或者挡在我根本不想让它挡的地方，所以就是这样。
It's like, the camera, that black dot is just in the wrong spot over a word or something that I never want it to be over, so yeah.
但是也有一些取舍，对吧？
But there are some trade offs, right?
比如你在考虑要不要买的时候，确实需要好好权衡一下，我得告诉你，这价格可不便宜。
Like if you're asking yourself whether we should buy it, do need to do our due diligence, just let you know there is a hefty price tag.
它比现在iPhone系列里的任何一款都更像是一笔投资，价格是1099美元，对。
It is more of an investment than anything on iPhone lineup right now at $1.09 $19.99 Yeah.
所以是1099美元，然后如果你搜一下2TB版本，就是顶配，价格是3199美元。
So it's $2, and then if you Google, like, the two terabyte version, like, fully maxed out, it's $31.99.
这都赶上MacBook Pro的价格了。
So it's like MacBook Pro territory.
这设备确实贵。
It's an expensive device.
那取舍包括哪些呢？
And the trade offs include what?
就是缺少长焦镜头。
So there's a missing telephoto lens.
也就是说只有两个摄像头，不是三个。
That means Only two cameras, not three.
你少了那个特别好的长焦镜头。
You're missing the really great, you know, telephoto lens.
然后前置摄像头，分辨率是1200万像素，而18 Pro上是1800万像素。
And then inside the selfie camera, the resolution's, it's 12 megapixels versus, like, the 18 megapixels available on the 18 Pro.
所以它相当于倒退了几代，用的是老款iPhone 16 Pro的摄像头。
So it goes back a couple generations to the older, like, iPhone 16 Pro camera, the camera on those phones.
没错。
Exactly.
电池续航也没那么长。
Battery life, it is not as long.
不过说实话，18 Pro的电池续航确实很出色。
I mean, to be fair, the battery life on the 18 Pro is outstanding.
视频播放时间能达到45小时，这是苹果用来描述电池容量的一个指标。
It's forty five hours of video playback, which is the metric that Apple uses to kind of describe battery capacity.
当然，我们还没测试过，但那已经非常厉害了。
Of course, we haven't tested it, but that is huge.
而且在使用Duo的内屏时，我记得苹果声称有31小时的视频播放时间，对比两者，考虑到价格，这差距确实不小。
And when using the inner display on the Duo, I think Apple claimed thirty one hours of video playback, which again, comparing both, it is significantly less for the price tag too.
然后还有耐用性的问题。
And then there's the durability issue.
它的防水等级很高。
It's highly rated in terms of water resistance.
我记得是IP68，对吧？
I think it's IP68, right?
所以防水、防尘这些都不错，但说到底，它是一款很薄的手机。
So water resistance, dust resistance, that sort of deal, but at the end the day it is a thin phone.
有个铰链。
There is a hinge.
相比普通的直板手机，你可能更容易把它弄坏，对吧？
There is a chance that you might break it a bit easier than you might break the regular Slab phone, right?
对。
Yeah.
而且它没有那个，只有触控ID。
It also doesn't have it only has Touch ID.
它没有面容ID。
It doesn't have Face ID.
其实我觉得我不会想念那个功能。
Which I don't think I'm gonna miss, actually.
真的吗？
Really?
对。
Yeah.
挺有意思的。
It's funny.
我一开始不喜欢面容ID，现在我却成了它的忠实粉丝。
I didn't like Face ID at first, and now I'm I'm a big
它有时候认不出我。
It never recognizes me sometimes.
其实它认得出来，但比如我戴眼镜的时候，或者没戴眼镜的时候。
Well, it does, but, like, if I'm wearing glasses, I'm not wearing glasses.
发型变了。
Did my hair.
我躺在床上，下巴都挤成三层了。
I'm sitting in bed with, like, a triple chin.
你知道，有时候就是不好使，所以我就改用指纹解锁了。不过这只是个人偏好。
Like, you know, it just doesn't sometimes work, so I've kind of moved on to just using Touch ID, but anyways, that's just a personal preference.
我觉得我不会太想念面容识别。
I'm not going to really miss the Face ID much, I don't think.
确实。
For sure.
而且最终是为了节省空间，对吧？
And it was to save space, ultimately, right?
这就是它被去掉的原因，而且它们都用eSIM也是出于同样的考虑，我觉得是为了节省管理成本。
That's the reason that was removed, and also they're all eSIM for the same reason, I think, of savings management.
没错，对，因为它实在太薄了。
That's right, yeah, because it is so impossibly thin.
你打开它的时候，简直无法想象它有多薄。
When you open it up, you can't imagine, you know, kind of how thin it is.
如果你见过iPhone Air，它真的很，你知道，它绝对像是两个那种，稍微短一点。
If you've seen the iPhone Air, it's very, you know, you can, it is definitely like two of those, a little shorter.
这是一款拿在手里感觉非常棒的设备。
It is a device that feels great in your hands.
感觉非常结实。
It feels very solid.
感觉薄得不可思议，而我觉得大家最终应该记住的是，你可能不会买这个设备。
It feels impossibly thin, and the thing that I think that ultimately people should take away, you probably aren't going to buy this device.
大多数人可能不会买这个设备，但如果你是苹果的狂热粉丝，而且有人愿意为买到它付出高价，我觉得他们生产多少就能卖掉多少。
Most people probably are not going to buy this device, but if you are an Apple enthusiast and you there's going to be a premium on the people that get them, I think they'll sell every one that they make
哦，当然。
Oh, absolutely.
因为现在零部件短缺是实实在在的问题。
Because component shortages are, you know, are real right now.
这款产品要到10月23号才发布，也就是十月中旬之后。
It doesn't come out until October 23, till the, you know, second half of October.
你只能在那之前一周才能开始预订，所以会有点延迟。但我觉得，即使你不打算买，很多人也会买，尤其是苹果的忠实粉丝会非常喜欢这款设备。
You can't preorder it until the week before that, so it's a little bit of a delay, but I think one of the ways to think about this device, even if you aren't going to buy them, I think plenty of people will, and especially Apple enthusiasts are going to love the device.
不过，我觉得这不仅仅是苹果对折叠屏的尝试。
I do think that this is not just Apple's take on the foldable, though.
我认为这是苹果对手机未来形态的构想，原因如下。
I think this is Apple's vision of what the future of the phone is, and and here's why.
我想回到平板手机那个时代。
I think I go back to, like, the phablet.
大概十年前，差不多十五年前，三星Galaxy Note和后来的iPhone 16 Plus刚出来的时候，那些设备比普通手机大得多，而且是非常小众的产品。
So, like, ten years ago, almost fifteen years ago when, like, the Samsung Galaxy Note and then the iPhone 16 plus came out, Those devices were so much bigger than the regular phones, and they were very specialty devices.
有一小部分人喜欢它们，用它们，爱它们。
And a small percentage of people liked them, used them, loved them.
三到五年后，每部手机都变成那样了。
Three to five years later, every phone looked like that.
那些成了大多数手机的样子，我觉得折叠屏也会这样。
Those were the majority of phones, and I think we'll see that with the Fold.
我觉得价格会降下来。
I think it'll the price will come down.
它最终会配备那些摄像头。
It will eventually get the the cameras.
它最终会支持面容ID，这基本上就是现在的Pro Max，Pro Max系列。
It will eventually get face ID, and this will be what the, essentially, the Pro Max is today, the Pro Max line.
它会成为你主要使用的手机，因为我觉得大多数人会意识到，屏幕越大，体验越好。
It will be the primary, you know, phone that you use, because I think most people will realize that everything is better on a bigger screen.
这就是我们从平板手机上学到的，尽管一开始人们嘲笑它们，就像AirPods刚出来时人们嘲笑它们一样，因为它们看起来就是不一样，有点奇怪。
That's what we learned with Phablet, even though people sort of laughed at them at first, the same way that they laughed at AirPods when AirPods first came out, and they sort of just looked different and odd.
我觉得这款看起来有点不一样，有点怪，但我觉得时间久了大家都会发现，我几乎所有事情在大屏幕上做都更好。
I think that this one looks a little different and odd, but I think in time, everybody will realize, like, almost everything I do is better on a big screen.
对AI来说肯定更好，你知道，AI聊天机器人，还有AI代理那些，但对什么来说都更好。
It's definitely better for AI, you know, AI chatbots, but also AI agents and those things, but it's better for everything.
看照片更好。
It's better for looking at photos.
看视频更好。
It's better for watching video.
我们待会儿可以聊聊一些特殊模式，但它有一些普通手机做不到的特殊模式，比如三脚架模式和床头柜模式，但它在很多方面都更好，比如看文档，所有这些，我觉得大家会意识到，你知道吗？
We can talk about some of the special modes next, but it has some special modes that regular phones can't do, like tripod mode and nightstand mode, but it's better for so many things, looking at documents, all of that, that I think people will realize, You know what?
我想要口袋里装一个既是iPhone又是iPad的东西，只要它不会贵太多，我觉得最终它不会的。
I would like something in my pocket that is an iPhone and an iPad, as long as it doesn't cost me a lot more, which eventually I think it won't.
你说的我都同意，除了我觉得现在会有更多人愿意尝试。
I agree with everything you said, except that I do think that a lot more people are gonna go for it now.
我用过，再说一次，因为这是我的工作，对吧？
I've used, again, because it's my job, right?
比如，我出门都得带着折叠屏手机，尤其是评测的时候。
Like, I have to carry a Foldable with me, especially when I'm reviewing it.
我得一直带着我正在用的那台设备。
I have to carry whatever device I'm using all the time.
基本上它就得是我的主力手机。
It has to be my main phone, basically.
每次我把它带到社交场合，朋友们都会说，天哪，太棒了。
And every time I bring it to any social interaction, my friends are always like, my God, Yes.
太喜欢了。
Love this
特别是Fold 8。
especially the Fold eight.
对。
Yeah.
我太喜欢这东西了。
I love this thing.
天哪，那个更大的屏幕。
Oh my gosh, the bigger screen.
天哪，太可爱了。
Oh my gosh, it's so cute.
它的一切都让人喜欢。
Everything about it.
哦，但它不是iPhone，这当然是因为苹果产品的围墙花园，尤其是那个蓝色气泡什么的。
Oh, but it's not an iPhone, and that's, of course, because of the wall garden of Apple products and especially the Blue Bubble and all of that.
所以有很多人总是说，我等不及要拥有一台了。
So there's many people who are always like, I cannot wait to have one.
我只是在等它变成苹果的。
I'm just waiting for it to be Apple.
所以我觉得现在需求量会非常大，即使有那些挑战，你知道吗？
So I actually think there will be a very high demand right now, even even with those challenges there, you know?
对。
Yeah.
我相信你，因为我觉得很多那些挑战可能，我觉得有一部分狂热爱好者，如果你真的很喜欢摄影，如果你真的很喜欢面部识别，但我还是觉得你从中得到的好处，对于真正的爱好者来说，他们会完全投入这个。
I believe you because I think a lot of those challenges probably are I think there's a certain part of the enthusiast crowd, if you're really into photography, if you're really into face ID, but I think still the benefits you get out of it for, like, the real enthusiasts are gonna are gonna be all in on this
我也在想，比如iPhone Air，我在现实世界里看到好多iPhone Air，比我预想的多得多。
was thinking about it too, like, with the iPhone Air, like, I see so many iPhone Airs in the in the real world, more than much more than I anticipated.
比如，我室友的妈妈就有一部iPhone Air。
Like, my my roommate's mom has an iPhone Air.
我男朋友的妈妈也有一部iPhone Air。
My boyfriend's mom has an iPhone Air.
就是，它很方便，而且吸引了一部分人，那些人也在做很多同样的妥协，如果不是更多的话。我觉得有些人就是会选择新奇的东西。
Just like, it was convenient, and it appeals to a certain amount of people, and those were making a lot of the same compromises, if not way more That's think some people will just choose novelty.
日常用户，不是重度用户，我觉得他们不会太在意那些取舍，除了价格，当然，因为我们得注意那确实是一大笔钱。
Everyday, not power users, I don't think we'll have a problem with much of the trade offs, except the price tag, of course, because we do have to be mindful that it is a lot of money.
最后，关于Duo，你觉得那些不同的模式怎么样？
Lastly, on the Duo, what do you think about different modes?
你知道，床头柜模式。
You know, the nightstand mode
待机模式，我真的不太明白为什么我们一直在聊这个。
The standby mode, I don't really get why we keep know, talking
待机模式？
standby mode?
挺酷的。
It's cool.
我是说，我大概会用它，但说实话，你就那么想看时间吗？
I mean, I'll use it, I guess, but, like, you could just Do you wanna see the time that bad?
我不太……我是说，它挺酷的。
I don't really I mean, it's cool.
别误会。
Don't get me wrong.
我不是在贬低它，但我绝对不会说这是个很大的优点。
I'm not hating on it, but I would definitely not say that's a major pro.
对我来说，它真的很一般。
That's very much in the middle for me.
有道理。
Fair.
另一个模式你可能更感兴趣。
Another mode you probably are more interested in.
就是把它当个小帐篷一样用来拍照和录像。
It's just using it as like a little tent to take photos and videos.
对。
Yeah.
拍你自己的照片。
Take your take your own photos.
三脚架模式，你知道吗？
Tripod mode, you know?
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
不。
No.
那太棒了。
That is awesome.
我确实在我现在用的折叠屏手机上用这个功能。
I I do use it on the foldables that I currently own.
不过我得说，我用的次数也少多了。
Will say I use that again also way less.
如果说到相机，我更喜欢的其实是能用后置摄像头自拍，同时还能看到自己。
More so what I love, if we're talking about cameras, is being able to take selfies with the back camera and still be able to see yourself.
这太关键了。
That's clutch.
这太重要了。
That's massive.
这个我现在真的经常用，因为自拍质量高太多了。
That one I actually use all the time now, because the quality of your selfies are so significantly higher.
我学到的一个小技巧是，在Fold八上，就是三星Fold八，外形一样，你只要打开它，切换到自拍模式，用最好的摄像头，然后你会看到取景器，设置五秒定时，因为拿着它有点别扭，它比较大，还要按按钮，但你就点一下快门按钮，然后你有五秒钟去调整位置和构图，你的自拍水平会大大提升。
So a little trick that I've learned is on the Fold eight, the Samsung Fold eight, which is the same form factor, just open it, put it in the selfie mode where you are using the best cameras, and then you see the viewfinder, put it in the five second timer, and then because it's a little awkward to do it, to hold because it's bigger and hit the button, but then just tap the button, the shutter button, and then you have five seconds to, like, you know, center it and frame the photo, your selfie game will go up big time.
对。
Yeah.
这是个好建议。
That's a good tip.
我确实经常用那个模式。
I do use that mode a lot.
我不用定时器，但也许我会开始用。
I don't use the timer, but maybe maybe I'll start using that too.
试试看。
Give it try.
对，我觉得关于Duo我们已经聊了很多了。
And yeah, and I think with that, we've talked a lot about the Duo.
我们可能该继续聊别的了，因为在AI领域还有很多内容。首先，别忘了这基本上就是那个发布会，让之前我们聊过的WWDC上所有新的iOS 27功能最终得以实现，对吧，随着这次发布。
We might want to move on to, because in the realm of AI, there was still a lot of, well first of all, let's not forget that this is basically the launch that will make everything we talked about, WWDC, all those new iOS 27 features, we'll finally see them materialize, right, with this launch.
这包括全新升级的Siri。
So That's that's including the new and improved Siri.
这包括它变得更会聊天，你只要跟它说话，它就能理解你想表达的任何内容。
That's including just being more conversational, actually being able to have it understand anything you want when you're just speaking to it.
还有更好的听写功能，你最近刚发现的。
Better dictation, which you discovered recently.
对，就是Siri聊天机器人体验。
Yeah, a Siri chatbot experience.
它现在是个独立应用了。
It's its own app.
这些功能已经出现在我们刚才聊的所有产品里了，不过特别值得一提的是，在Watch Series 12和Apple Watch Ultra 4发布时，有一些亮点功能。
That's already coming to all of these products that we're talking about, but specifically, there were some standouts with the Watch Series 12 and Apple Watch Ultra four release.
没错。
That's right.
对。
Yeah.
这些产品，我们本来没期待太多。
These were, so we weren't expecting a ton.
关于要发布的东西，传闻也不多，所以我们看到的大概就是三件有意思的事。
There weren't a lot of rumors about things that were coming out, and so we got what I think of as like three things interesting.
可能有一件我们会简单提一下，另外两件会聊得稍微深入一些。
Maybe one that we'll talk about briefly, and two we'll talk about a little more in-depth.
一个是给那些特别喜欢Aura和Whoop的人，有一些关于你的生命体征的很好的洞察，诸如此类的东西。
One is for people that are really into like Aura and Whoop, there's some really nice kind of insights on your vitals, on those kinds of things.
一个准备就绪评分，这对那些喜欢把健康游戏化的人来说，会是个大亮点。
A readiness score, which again, for people who like to gamify their health, that's gonna be a massive one.
所以它现在有了新款Apple Watch才有的准备就绪评分，而且本质上，它的心率传感器也更好了，会更频繁地测量你的心率，所以他们称它为世界上最先进的心率传感器。
So it now has that readiness score that the new Apple Watches do, and that essentially, it has a better heart rate sensor in it as well, too, like, that takes your heart rate more often, and so they call it the world's most advanced heart rate sensor.
我们拭目以待吧。
We'll see.
我们其实还不太清楚这具体意味着什么。
We sort of don't know exactly what that means yet.
我们有机会详细聊聊这个，但它确实是个升级版的心脏传感器，而且它还有这种新的健康准备度体验，基本上就是给你提供更友好、更主动的健康数据，能帮你规划锻炼，更好地理解你做的某些活动对你的健康和身体状态有什么影响。
We'll have the chance to unpack that, but it is an upgraded heart sensor, and then it has this kind of new readiness vitals experience that basically gives you more friendly data about your and more proactive data about your health, you know, that could be helpful in planning your workouts and better understanding, you know, certain activities you do, what's the impact, you know, on your on your health and your wellness.
所以，你知道，对于那些特别关注健康数据的人来说，这些都会很受欢迎。
And so, you know, all of that's going to be welcome for people that are really into health data.
它还包括第二天的一个小总结，比如利用你所有的生命体征，基本上告诉你关于你健康的一些核心见解。
It includes, too, like a little summary on the next day, perhaps, like using all of your vitals, just telling you basically top level insights into your health.
我反复问过，这些是不是AI功能？
And I asked repeatedly, like, Are these like AI features?
它们不是，而我实际上对此非常高兴和满意，因为这是健康数据，苹果对此非常重视。
They weren't, and the reason I'm actually very happy and tickled by that is the fact that it is health data, and Apple takes that very seriously.
他们的可穿戴设备仍然是最畅销的，这是有原因的，而且我喜欢他们没有完全投入到AI教练这个方向。
There's a reason that their wearables are still some of the best sellers, And I like that they didn't go all in on the AI coach of it all.
现在每个人都有AI教练了。
Everybody has an AI coach now.
我想我评测过我的第一个AI教练。
I think I reviewed my first AI coach.
我记得大概三年前就评测过Whoops AI Coach。所以现在看到苹果提供的是真正实用、易懂又容易消化的健康建议，而不是拿AI来包装，我挺喜欢的。
I think it was like Whoops AI Coach in three years ago So maybe at this I like that Apple's offering really useful insights that are conversational and digestible, but they're not masking it with AI.
说清楚一点，背后其实有大量的机器学习在运作。但重点不是那种AI炒作，而是有目的地用机器学习模型去实现一个目标，给用户带来实际的东西，而不是为了做AI而做AI。
To be clear, there's a ton of ML happening behind the scenes, But again, it's less so of that AI washing, more so of intentional use case of using ML models to reach a purpose, to deliver something to the user, less so of to make it just an AI product.
所以这一点我真的很欣赏。
So I really enjoyed that.
我确实很喜欢这种克制。因为本质上就是机器学习，他们用了算法，用了机器学习，很多其他公司早就直接叫AI功能了，而且他们要是真这么叫，你也没法反驳。但我就是欣赏他们决定不搞那种AI包装，就像你说的。
I really I do like the restraint on that because it's an ML, and they're using algorithms, they're using ML, and plenty of other companies would have just called them AI features, and you really couldn't have argued if they would have, but I like the fact that they decided not to sort of do AI washing with it, as you said.
这挺重要的。
That's big.
不过他们确实也发布了一些重磅的AI功能。
And they did release pretty big AI features, though.
没错。
That's right.
那些功能都在他们的Audio Intelligence套件里。
And those are under their Audio Intelligence suite.
我觉得有两个大的，对吧？
So I think there's two big ones, right?
一个是Siri Recap，一个是Live Rewind。
There's Siri Recap and Live Rewind.
你想先聊哪个？
Which one do you want to start with?
你对哪个最有热情？
Which one are you the most passionate about?
因为我对一个感觉还行，对另一个有点犹豫。
Because I have one that I'm, like, okay with and one that I'm, like, a bit more hesitant.
先说你比较犹豫的那个吧。
Start with the one you're more hesitant about.
说来听听。
Let's hear it.
好的。
All right.
所以Live Rewind的基本原理就是，你按一下手表上的按钮，然后它就能给你显示之前十五秒的对话文字记录。
So Live Rewind essentially works in that you click a button, right, and then on your Apple Watch, and then it will be able to show you a transcription of fifteen seconds before.
比如说我们现在这段对话，Jason突然走神了。
So let's just say this conversation right now, Jason's like, I zoned out.
他不知道Sabrina刚才在说什么。
I don't know what Sabrina was saying.
她跑题了。
She was going on a tangent.
就像她平时那样。
Like she always does.
他只要按一下按钮。
He would click the button.
手表会发出一个声音。
It would make an audible noise.
我听到那个声音。
I would hear the noise.
好的。
Okay.
它会在表盘上显示一个麦克风图标，但问题是，我现在正专注着，所以我不确定我能不能听到提示音或者注意到那个麦克风。
It would show a microphone on the face of it, but the thing is, again, I don't know if, right now I'm in the zone, so I don't know if I would necessarily hear a chime or be paying attention to the microphone.
然后他会看到我刚刚最后十五秒说的话的转录。
Then he would see a transcription of what I just said in the last fifteen seconds.
那些转录他可以选择保存，然后在Siri应用里打开。
Those transcriptions he could then choose to save and then open them up in the Siri app.
我不喜欢这个功能，因为从技术上讲，这意味着你的手表一直在听你说话，这样才能回放十五秒前的内容。
I don't like this feature because it does mean, technically, that your watch was listening to you all the time so that it could rewind fifteen seconds before.
我会给你完整的解释，因为我不是来制造恐慌的。
I will give you the full picture because I'm not here to fearmonger.
他们确实有新的S11芯片。
They do have the new S11 chip.
是的。
Yes.
它基本上有自己的，据我理解，或者别人告诉我的，有点像隔离区，把所有那些音频都收进去。
That has its own basically, as I understand it, or as I was told, something like silo, where it takes all of that audio.
它不会保存任何录音。
It does not save any of the recordings.
它不会保存任何音频。
It does not save any of the audio.
音频进去，它转成文字，然后需要发送转录内容时，是端到端加密传给你的。
It just Audio goes in, it transcribes as a thing, and then when it needs to send out the transcript, it's end to end encrypted to you.
话虽如此，也不是有人在录你。
That said, again, it's not like somebody's recording you.
他不可能真的拿到我最后十五秒的实际音频，但这确实意味着它一直在听。
It's not like he could ever access the actual audio of my last fifteen seconds, but it does mean that it is always listening.
如果开着，你可以选择关掉它。
If on, you have the option to turn it off.
大概就是这样。
That's the high level.
说说你的想法。
Give me your thoughts.
其实有意思的是，我们已经习惯了这种想法，比如“哦，倒回去就行了”。
The thing is, it's funny because we've gotten used to this idea of like, Oh, just rewind.
刚才没听清。
I didn't quite hear that.
倒回去就行了。
Just rewind it.
就像在YouTube上，对吧？
Whether it's on YouTube, right?
YouTube上有那个“后退十五秒”的功能。
There's the like go back fifteen seconds thing on YouTube.
至于广播，我现在很少听了。
On radio, well, if I ever listen I don't listen to the radio much anymore.
我都是听播客。
I listen to podcasts.
但在播客里，我经常这样，我会想，等等。
But on podcasts, I do this all the time where I go, think hold on.
他是不是说了我以为他说的话？
Did he say what I think he said?
她是不是引用了某个数据？
Did she quote a certain statistic?
所以我在生活中很多听东西的地方都习惯了这样。
And so I'm used to this in life in so many places that I listen to things.
所以，能在现实世界里也有这种功能，我挺期待的，因为
So to, like, have that in the real world, I'm I'm sort of here for it because
不会吧。
No way.
对。
Yeah.
因为从某种意义上说，有些事情经常发生。
Because in one sense, there's things that happen all the time.
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我几乎是在想，有哪些地方是我真的在收音机上听NPR的，然后我就想，我想往回倒十五秒，但你做不到，对吧？
I'm almost thinking of it in terms of what are the places there have been places where I have listened to, like, NPR on the actual radio, and then I'm like, and then I wanna go back fifteen seconds, you can't do it, right?
所以我就想，我能不能在手表上做到这个？
So I'm like, could I do that on the watch?
如果我在听，能不能往回倒十五秒？
If I was listening, could I go back and hit fifteen seconds?
所以我对这个很好奇。
So I'm curious about it.
在隐私和一直听这方面，我也有和你一样的担忧。
I had the same concerns you do in terms of privacy and listening all the time.
我是那种从来不想在家里装Google Home或Amazon Alexa的人。
I'm the person who did not want to ever have Google Home or Amazon Alexa in my house.
我就觉得，我不想让那个东西一直听我所有的对话，你知道吗？
Was like, I don't want that thing listening all the time to every conversation that I have, you know?
那让我觉得很不舒服。
That just didn't sit well with me.
但这个，我感觉稍微好一点，主要是因为苹果一直非常明确和透明，而且我确实相信他们说的会妥善处理数据。
But this, I feel a little bit better, mostly because Apple's been very clear and transparent and because I actually believe them when they say that they're going to do what they're due with the data.
我也确实相信他们，这确实是个很大的加分项，但我想我的担忧也不仅仅是它一直在录音，还有如何利用这些数据，对吧？
I do actually believe them, too, which a huge plus, but I guess my concerns go also beyond just the fact that it's always recording me, but also like weaponizing that, right?
苹果可能不会利用这些数据，我不是这个意思，但我是说，我不知道，比如我在工作场合说了什么，你知道，有时候你在茶水间闲聊，然后有人决定去跟HR说，她说，你知道，类似那样的事，不是说我说了什么特别糟糕的话，但或者如果我和伴侣吵架，你知道，就像，你多少次跟人说话的时候，突然有人说，你听到你刚才说的话了吗？
Apple might not weaponize it, that's not what I'm saying, but I'm saying like, I don't know, I said something maybe in the workplace or something, you know, sometimes you're having water cooler chat, and then somebody decides to be like, HR, like she said, like, know, or something of that sort, not that I'm ever saying something that bad, but, or like if I'm in an argument with my partner, like, you know, like, oh, you know, like how many times have you been talking to somebody and it's like, did you hear what you just said?
然后你说，我没说那个。
And it's like, I didn't say that.
哦对，现在你确实可以拿出录音记录。
Oh yeah, now you could actually say the transcript.
这是最简单的方式来利用这些数据，你知道吧？
That's the most simple way to weaponize that, you know?
对。
Yeah.
而且，我也不喜欢把AI当作拐杖，用来处理那些只需要基本人情世故的事情。
And then also, I just don't like using AI as a clutch for things that just require simple human decency.
好好待在对话里，别走神。
Stay present in the damn conversation.
就这样。
That's it.
我就要求这么多。
That's all I'm asking.
保持专注。
Stay present.
听我说。
Listen to me.
我在跟你说话呢。
I'm talking to you.
哦，你没听见我说的话吗？
Oh, you didn't hear me?
那你就得承受看着我然后说‘嘿，塞布’的尴尬了。
Then you have to live with the shame of looking at me and going, Hey, Seb.
我刚才没注意听。
I wasn't paying attention.
我走神了。
I dazed out.
你能再说一遍吗？
Can you repeat that?
这没关系。
And that's okay.
我会重复一遍。
I will repeat.
有时候人们心情不好，但你必须承受那种羞愧。
Sometimes people are having a bad day, but you have to live with that shame.
要知道，你得承受那种羞愧。
Know, you You have live with that
得请求别人的宽容。
have to ask for the grace.
对，没错。
Yeah, exactly.
不是像点一下手表那样，但我的意思是，苹果展示的那个使用场景是，比如你在餐厅，服务员一口气报了一堆特色菜，那看起来还挺无害的，但我就是有点担心人们
Not like click on your watch, but again, I mean, the use case that Apple showed was like if you're at a restaurant and the waitress is like spitting a bunch of specials at you, that seems more harmless, but I'm just kind of concerned about what people
在说什么。
are saying.
你担心的是它被使用的方式，那些边缘情况，我觉得这挺合理的，而且我觉得，咱们聊聊另一个吧，因为这也是我可能更担心的一个。
You're worried about the ways that it gets used, the fringe cases, and I think it's legit, and I think that's, let's talk about the other one, because this is where I also, where I have maybe more concern.
不会吧，因为我超喜欢另一个。
No way, because I love the other one.
所以我们在这点上看法相反。
So we're sort of flipped on this.
那太好了。
That's awesome.
Siri 回顾。
Siri Recap.
这个功能的工作原理，如果你熟悉Granola的话，其实很简单。
So the way this feature works, if you're familiar with Granola, it's pretty simple.
跟它挺像的。
It's pretty similar.
它会听到你的对话。
It will hear your conversation.
然后它会做个总结，把总结发给你。
It will then recap it, send it that recap.
这个总结非常概括，这点很重要，因为它不包含原话引用，不标明是谁说的，也没有完整记录。
It's super high level, and that's important because it's not including quotes, it's not including attributions, and it's not including a transcript.
所以它只是一个高层次的摘要，然后发送到你的Siri应用里。
So it's just a high level summary, and it's sending it to your Siri app.
所以，跟之前一样。
So again, same thing.
它同样会进入芯片的同一个部分。
It goes to the same part of the chip.
不会保存任何录音，而且据我所知，是端到端加密的。
No recordings are kept, and it's end to end encrypted, as I've been told.
你可以选择完全退出，但也可以在Apple Watch的控制中心里点击这个功能。
You do have the option to opt out entirely, but you also have the option in your control center on your Apple Watch to click the feature.
一旦你点击这个功能，它就会激活并开始监听，然后把所有摘要发送到你的手机上。之后你可以随时关闭它，比如如果你觉得，哦，这其实是个争论。
Once you click the feature, it's activated and it's listening, and it will send all those summaries to your phone, and then you can turn off the feature whenever, like if you're like, Oh, actually, again, this is an argument.
我现在不想录这个或者什么的，但你可以关掉它。
I don't want this recording right now or anything, but you could turn it off.
我可能会选择大部分时间关着，只在工作会议或类似场合打开，但技术上来说，两种方式都行。
I would probably opt for keeping it most of the time off and only turning it on during work meetings or things of that nature, but technically, you could do it either way.
所以，你对这个有更多顾虑吗？
So yeah, you have more concerns with this one?
是的。
Yeah.
所以这个，要说明一下，苹果说它不会录音。
So this one, to be clear, again, Apple says it's not recorded.
没有录音。
There's no audio recorded.
苹果公司无法获取任何音频，就像你说的，没有名字，没有文字记录，什么都没有。
Apple doesn't have access to any of the audio that, as you said, there's no names, there's no transcripts, there's none of that.
这只是音频摘要。
This is only audio summaries.
它甚至不会包含人名，除非你在录音中说出自己的名字，或者出于某种原因。
It doesn't even include the names of people unless you say your name during it, unless, like, for whatever reason.
如果我在会议上录你演讲，你一开始说‘大家好，我是来自The Deep View的Sabrina Ortiz’，那它就会包含，但除此之外，它不会包含。
If it was a I was recording you giving a presentation at a conference, at the beginning you said, hi, I'm Sabrina Ortiz from The Deep View, well, then it would have it, but otherwise it's it's not gonna have it.
我觉得这些都是好事。
I think all those things are are good.
我认为影响要大得多，而且触及了我们正在进入的人工智能世界，那就是环境录音将无处不在。
I think the implications are much, much bigger and tap into sort of the AI world that we're moving into, which is ambient recording is gonna be everywhere.
随着一些即将推出的AI眼镜，它们也会做类似的事情。
With some of these next AI glasses that are coming out, they're also gonna kind of do this.
它们不会录视频或音频，但会记录正在发生的事情。
They're not going to record the video or the audio, but they are gonna record what's happening.
对，就是处理它。
Like process it, yeah.
处理之后，你就能得到摘要，你知道，可以要求一个摘要。
Process it, and then you're going to be able to give summary, you know, ask for a summary.
上周三在库比蒂诺，我跟萨布丽娜说我们打算去哪儿吃午饭来着？
What did I say to Sabrina last Wednesday about where we were going to, you know, have lunch when we were in Cupertino?
它就能找到那个信息。
And it'll find that.
可能真的很有用，对吧？
Probably potentially really useful, right?
但让我惊讶的是，苹果在这方面真的很领先，对吧，处于环境计算的前沿，这个功能，这个音频智能功能，特别是Siri Recap。
But one of the things that surprised me is, like, Apple's really out front on this, right, at the cutting edge of of essentially ambient computing, and this feature is, this audio intelligence feature, and specifically Siri Recap.
我想你可以说另一个
I guess you could say the other
实时回放。
Live Rewind.
还有实时回放。
The Live Rewind as well.
但这让我有点意外，因为就在昨天这个功能发布的时候，在推特上，也就是X上，有很多人对此感到非常震惊，对吧？
But that surprised me a little bit because even yesterday when this was announced, like on Twitter, you know, on X, there was a lot of people sort of freaking out about it, right?
而且因为人们没有意识到，这些即将上市的产品已经在多大程度上实现了这一点，或者即将实现这一点。但我通常会预期苹果会让其他公司先试水，让他们走在前面，看看人们的反应，看看期望是如何被设定的，诸如此类，然后推出一款以独特方式满足这些需求的产品，一种非常自然、非常容易被接受的方式。
And because people don't realize the extent to which this is already happening or is about to happen by all these products that are coming on market, but I would normally expect Apple to sort of let this play out with some of the others, let them be on the leading edge, see sort of what people are responding to, the ways that expectations are being set, all of that, and then come out with a product that meets those needs in like a unique way, in a way that's very natural, that's very acceptable.
我并没有特别期待苹果会去突破边界，而现在我们真的要看看人们会发现什么了。
I did not necessarily expect Apple to like push the boundary, And now we're going to really see what people find out about this.
比如，如果有人录了音，然后有了这个摘要，然后他们俩去离婚法庭，会发生什么？
Like, what's going to happen if somebody records something and then they have this summary and then the two of them sort of go to divorce court?
现在，那个东西能被传唤吗？
And now that that gets can that get subpoenaed?
当夫妻吵架，或者伴侣争吵，然后突然有人说“不，我没说过那句话”的时候，会发生什么？
What's going to happen when people have, you know, spouses have fights or, you know, partners have fights and arguments and all of a sudden they're like, No, I didn't say that.
不，我们回去看看。
No, let's go back and look at it.
或者有人用它来，就像你说的，把它当作武器，说，不，你看，摘要说你说了这个。
Or somebody then using it, like, in the way, you know, weaponizing, as you said, to, like, say, No, look, the summary says this is what you said.
然后，不，我没说那个，因为它不是逐字记录。
And, No, I didn't say that, like, because it's not a transcript.
那你就可以争辩说，不，我没说。
Then you could argue it and say, No, I didn't.
所以这些都是边缘情况，我觉得会变得有点混乱，所以从某种意义上说，我们作为社会必须去解决这个问题，未来几年会很有挑战性，但我们现在已经身处其中了。
So those are all, there's like edge cases on this that I think are gonna get kind of messy, and so now in one sense, like, we're just gonna have to figure this out as society, and that's gonna be challenging over the next few years, but like, we're in it now.
比如，当这个功能在测试版中推出时，我们应该说它在发布时可用。
Like, when this feature comes in beta, we should say it's available at launch.
它在测试版中可用。所以我觉得部分原因是，我有种感觉，苹果有一种想法，就是我们要把它推出去。
It's available in beta And so I think part of this, I got this sense that Apple had a sense of we're gonna put this out there.
我们要看看人们怎么说，而且我今天确实听到有人说，我们还有时间在测试版发布前根据接下来一个月听到的反馈来调整它。
We're gonna see what people say, and I did hear today from somebody that we're still going to have time to adjust it before we launch in beta based on sort of the feedback that we hear over the next month.
对，我觉得这些担忧都非常有道理。当我戴上记者的帽子时，我会说，绝对，我们必须找到所有这些问题的答案。
Yeah, I think all those concerns are super valid, and when I have my reporter cap on, I'm like, Absolutely, we have to find the answers to all these questions.
这真的是一个关键的社会时刻。
This is really critical, a societal moment.
当我戴上作为消费者的帽子时，我是Z世代，我觉得这有很大关系。
When I put on just my Sabrina as a consumer hat on, I'm Gen Z, and I think that has a lot to do with it.
我很好奇，如果听众里也有人这么想，你可以告诉我我是不是只是个例外，但我确实觉得我对任何形式的AI已经麻木了。不管我在咖啡馆还是什么地方，如果我在争论什么，或者说了什么不合适的话，或者做了任何可能被“取消”的事情，我都完全清楚，咖啡馆里的每个人，人行道上的每个人，都可能开着语音备忘录。
I'd be curious, if anybody listening is too, you could tell me if I'm just maybe an exception to the rule, but I do think I'm so desensitized to I any form of know that whenever I'm in a cafe or something, like if I'm having an argument of some kind or saying something inappropriate or doing anything that might be cancelable, let's just say, I'm perfectly aware that there might be every single person in that cafe, every single person on the sidewalk could be having voice memos open.
你没有任何隐私期待。
You have no expectation of privacy.
没有。
No.
对。
Yeah.
这么说很准确。
That's a good way to put it.
这么说挺到位的。
That's good way to put it.
所以我觉得这个功能出来的时候，我就想，这跟你直接录我音但不告诉我有啥区别？
So I think when this comes out, I'm like, oh, is this any different than you just voice recording me and not telling me?
然后我还能收到一份摘要，那还挺酷的。
And I get a summary, that's cool.
但隐私方面的预期就摆在那儿了。
But then just expectations there of privacy.
再说一次，我很想看看公众怎么看。
Again, I will love to see public perception.
而且，希望别出什么岔子，但这也只能等着瞧了。
And also, hopefully nothing goes wrong, but that will also be something we just have to wait and see.
对。
Yeah.
所以我觉得这更多是社会规范和期望的问题。这个功能因为是苹果出的，会得到更多曝光，所以它会开始引发一些相关的讨论。这部分是好事，因为我们需要这些讨论。今天只是Apple Watch，但你知道的，我们了解很多还没发布的产品，接下来六个月到一年会有一大波类似的东西涌来。我们得进行这些对话，重新设定预期。
So I think this is an issue of more like the norms and expectations of society, and this feature, because it's Apple and because it's gonna go out and get a lot more exposure, this is gonna start to create some of those conversations around that, and that part is a good thing because we need to have those because it's the Apple Watch today, but it's a lot you and I know, and we've been briefed on a lot of products that haven't even been released yet, Like, it's coming in a whole wave of stuff over the next, like, six months to a year, and we're gonna have to have these conversations and reset expectations.
当然。
Absolutely.
我觉得这是最大的AI亮点之一。
That's the highlight of, like, the biggest AI things, I think.
对。
Yeah.
但我们不能就这么结束，我知道我们快到最后了，但还是要再多聊聊iPhone 18 Pro和Pro Max。
But we can't close off, and I know we're right at the finish line, but without talking about the iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max just a bit more.
对。
Yeah.
还有苹果芯片。
Apple silicon, too.
对。
Yeah.
是的，没错。
Yes, exactly.
所以这也算是个不错的过渡话题。
So that's kind of a good segue, too.
它们也搭载了新的A20 Pro芯片。
Those also have the new A20 Pro chip.
这是一款不错的手机。
It's a good phone.
你知道，这手机挺好的。
It's a good phone, you know?
如果你喜欢17 Pro，你也会喜欢18 Pro的。
If you like the 17 Pro, you'll like the 18 Pro.
它性能很强。
It's a powerful phone.
它肯定能支持你的AI工作负载。
It can support your AI workloads for sure.
而且价格更便宜。
It's less expensive.
它有一些很酷的新功能，如果你喜欢的话。
It has some cool new features if you're into Less
便宜。
expensive.
其实呢，
It's actually
比Duo便宜100块，我是说，是的。
one Less expensive 100 than the Duo, I meant Yes.
对，是的。
To Yes.
因为它贵了100美元，
Because it's $100 more
比去年的型号贵。
expensive than last year's models.
抱歉。
Sorry.
我的意思是，它比Duo便宜多了。
I meant way less expensive than the Duo.
比Duo便宜好几百美元呢。
Like, hundreds of dollars less expensive than the Duo.
功能还是很强的。
Still capable.
摄像头各方面基本都更好，因为多了第三个摄像头，还有那些新功能，比如光圈功能。
The cameras are in every way basically better because you have that third camera, and then all those new features, the aperture features.
你可以多说一点。
You can talk a bit.
你是摄影迷嘛，
You're the photography nerd here,
所以我的意思是，你拍的照片比我认识的所有人都多，但我确实喜欢手机上的摄影功能。
so I mean, you take more pictures than anybody I've ever met, but I do love the photography features on phones.
所以它有可变光圈。
So it has a variable aperture.
对。
Yes.
所以现在它真的有一个物理光圈在里面。
So now you can it literally has a physical aperture in it.
有了这个，你可以控制它，从而更精准地拍出你想要的照片。
So with that, you can control that so you can get more exactly the shots you want.
你甚至能做到——苹果的人还给我看了一张他们用这个拍的照片，拍出了星芒效果，因为你可以控制光圈。
You can even do so somebody from Apple was even showing me a photo that they took with it that they got Starbursts because you can control that.
就是那种对着太阳拍出来的效果，超级酷。
You got, like, you know, from shooting into the sun, which was super cool.
我都等不及想试试了。
Can't wait to try that.
它还有一个新的专业模式，可以控制快门速度。
It also has this new kind of pro mode that you can control shutter speed.
你不仅能控制光圈，还能控制相机的其他部分，比如白平衡。
You can not only control the aperture, you can control, you know, other parts of the camera, the white balance.
你不用非得用自动白平衡。
You don't have to just do auto white balance.
你可以自己控制白平衡。
You can control the white balance.
你可以更精细地控制这些，这样一来，你就能拍出以前只能用专业相机才能拍到的照片。
You can control this more, which really makes this more and more you're going to be able to get shots that you could only get with, like, a Pro camera.
对我来说，专业相机就是索尼的无反相机。
Like for me, that's that's Sony mirrorless.
以前有些照片我只能用索尼无反相机拍出来，现在用iPhone也能拍到了。
There are shots that I could still only get with my Sony mirrorless that now I'll be able to get with an iPhone.
我很有信心。
I'm pretty confident.
所以，我迫不及待想试试这些功能。
And so can't wait to to try that stuff.
而且，我觉得，回到AI这个话题，当然，很多这些功能都得益于这些手机，我在苹果发布会之前写过，这些手机是苹果在AI上最大的胜利，因为如果你看看这十年AI和机器学习的历程，苹果创造了一款不可思议的手机，手机里不可思议的相机，这确实得益于那些功能，但他们没有在每个环节都急着把它叫做AI。
And and really, I think, you know, to bring it back to the AI of it all, of course, like, a lot of this is enabled by the fact that these phones, and I I wrote about this before the the Apple event, that these phones are Apple's greatest sort of victory in AI because if you look at this ten year journey of AI and ML, Apple has created an incredible phone, incredible camera in the phone, and that's really enabled by those features, but they haven't tripped over themselves trying to call it AI at every, you know, turn, you
你知道吗？
know?
是的，他们的计算摄影很多都是由AI驱动的，但你可能根本不会察觉到。
Yeah, their computational photography, which a lot of it is powered by AI, never even, would never even know.
他们只是做出了更好的相机，而且我觉得越来越多的情况下，AI会逐渐淡出人们的视线，在苹果设备和其他公司的产品中也是如此，至少我希望他们能做出更智能、更好的功能，而不必每次使用都拿AI来强调。
They just made a better camera, and I think more and more, I think the AI is going to fade into the background, and AI in Apple devices and in other companies, too, at least my hope is they're just going to make smarter, better features, and they don't have to hit everybody over the head with AI every time you
使用的时候。
use it.
苹果在这方面做得很好。
And Apple did a good job with that.
比如你看直播的时候，不会一直被AI轰炸。
Like if you watch the livestream, you're not getting banged over the head of AI.
根本不会提到Apple Intelligence。
There's Apple intelligence at all.
对。
Yeah.
只要做出更好的东西，人们喜欢，告诉他们这能帮到他们，他们就会接受。
Just make better stuff that people like and tell them how it's gonna help them, and they'll be into it.
而且芯片也起了很大作用，对吧？
And the silicon has a lot to do with that too, right?
苹果自己研发芯片，他们一直，至少我觉得他们一直追求效率，对吧，优化效率，这在现在非常关键。
Apple making that in house chipsets, they always, or at least I think they've always tried to build for efficiency, right, to optimize efficiency, and that's extremely crucial right now.
你需要尽可能多的性能，同时避免过热等问题，还要应对AI工作负载的需求，而苹果在用自己的芯片来打造产品方面，确实处于有利位置。
You need as much power as you could get without tons of overheating, all those different things with the demands of AI workloads, and Apple's in a good shape to actually build products using their own chipsets to power that.
想想过去十到十五年，苹果自己研发芯片的历程，真是了不起。
What a journey, you know, over the past, like, ten or fifteen years with Apple building its own, you know, chips.
太不可思议了。
That's incredible.
比如约翰尼·斯鲁吉和他的团队，我对他们的工作真是佩服得五体投地，真的，我不是在盲目崇拜，但你知道，我们之前也聊过一些我们觉得有挑战的地方，但这一部分确实非常出色，而A20 Pro就是这些M系列芯片的延伸。
Like, Johnny Siri and his team at Apple, I'm just so in awe of the work that they've done, truly, and I don't mean to fanboy on this, but, you know, because obviously we've talked about some things that, you know, we have sort of our challenges with, but that part has been pretty incredible, and the A20 Pro is an outgrowth of sort of these other M series chips.
苹果刚刚发布了M6和M5 Max以及Ultra。
Apple just announced the M6 and the M5 Max and Ultra.
这些可以说是目前桌面上能买到的最适合AI的芯片了。
These are arguably sort of the best chips for AI that you can get, you know, on the desktop.
这就是为什么这么多AI爱好者用Mac Mini来跑他们的AI代理，而且，你知道，现在A20 Pro，对于AI发烧友来说，你甚至可以在手机上运行。
It's why so many AI enthusiasts use the Mac Mini for their AI agents, and, you know, the A20 Pro now, like, you can run, for the AI nerds out there.
比如说，你可以在手机上运行一个40亿参数的模型。
Like, it's a you can run a 4,000,000,000 parameter model on your phone.
这意味着你可以在本地运行你的AI。
Like, that means you can run your AI locally.
你可以做很多以前只能做的事情，甚至就在几个月前，还只能用OpenAI和Anthropic最先进的模型才能做到的事情。
You can do a lot of the things that you used to only be able even just a few months ago, be only be able to do, like, with the most advanced models from OpenAI and Anthropic.
现在你可以在手机上用本地模型，比如Gemma，就能做到。
You can do them on your phone with a local model like Gemma.
那是谷歌的开源模型，还有其他一些模型，比如Quinn，你都可以在手机上免费运行，也就是说，你想用多少token就用多少。
That's the Google's open source model, and some of the other models like Quinn, and that you can run them on your phone for free, meaning you can burn through as many tokens as you want.
而且速度还会更快。
It's also going to be faster.
在飞机上也能离线使用。
You can do it offline when you're on a plane.
这太疯狂了。
That is bananas.
这太不可思议了。
That is incredible.
所以我觉得，我真的想借此机会向他们的进步致敬，看看他们在苹果芯片上走得有多远、多快。
And so I think that I just did want to get a chance to sort of tip my cap to how far they've come, how far and fast they've come with that Apple silicon.
最后，关于新手机，现在有双神经引擎了，也就是说不是一个，而是两个，所以你基本上能以两倍的速度运行很多AI任务和AI功能。
And lastly, on the new phones, they have a dual neural engine now, meaning not just one, but two, and so you're essentially gonna be able to run a lot of the AI workloads and the AI features twice as fast.
这挺酷的。
That's pretty cool.
对于Siri AI来说，它大部分也在设备上运行，你知道，也可以去云端。
For Siri AI, which also mostly runs on device, you know, can go to the cloud.
为了做那些我刚才提到的超级AI极客的事情，我知道大多数人不会去做，但我们观众里可能有人会对此感到兴奋。
For doing this, like, super AI nerdy things that I just mentioned that I know most people aren't gonna do, but people in our audience are probably gonna be excited about.
这些东西真的会变得更好、更快，而且大家都喜欢更快的。
Like, those things are really gonna be, you know, better and faster, and everybody likes faster.
对，我觉得这也是个很好的收尾点。
Yeah, and I think that's a great place to also just wrap it up.
这次发布会真的很棒。
It's been a great launch event.
在AI方面，我们对苹果的表现挺满意的。
In terms of AI, we're pretty happy with what Apple has delivered.
当然，我们会对很多产品做评测。
Of course, we'll be reviewing a lot of these products.
我们会有更多想法。
We'll have more thoughts.
我们会有更多上手体验，也会随时向大家更新，但这些是我们的初步看法。
We'll have more hands on time, and we'll keep all of you all posted, but these are our first takes.
是的，有些是热评，尤其是你的。
Yes, hot takes in some cases, especially yours.
开玩笑的。
Jocker.
就是
It's
挺好的，挺好的。
It's good, good.
不过。
Though.
谢谢大家收看。
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.
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For more coverage of these devices and other AI and Apple opportunities, you can go to subscribe.
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而且如果
And if
你有什么问题的话，也可以在社交媒体上找到我们。
you have any questions, too, find us on socials.
我们回复得特别快。
We're super responsive.
我们很喜欢和大家交流，所以发邮件、Instagram、Threads、Twitter，各种平台都可以。
We love talking to you all, so email, Instagram, threads, Twitter, all the places.
所有平台都行。
All the things.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
All right.
谢谢，萨布丽娜。
Thanks Sabrina.
谢谢你，杰森。
Thank you, Jason.
感谢大家的收听。
Thank you everyone for tuning in.
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