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如果那样做的话，就会在游戏堆里逛来逛去。

If we do that, there's the wandering of the stacks.

所以我尽量随机挑一些，这些大概都是四十分钟的游戏，或者两小时的游戏，不管我觉得是什么，我有一堆。

So I try to pick a random selection of these are all going to be about a forty minute game, a two hour game, whatever whatever I think it is, and I have a pile.

然后我更像那样，我说，来，从这堆里，你想玩哪个游戏？

And then I I'm I do more of that where I'm like, here, of this pile, what game would you like?

这样就不会逛来逛去了，除了罗伯特，我跟他说，挑个游戏吧，他就下楼去了。

So that we don't have the wandering, which except for Robert, who I say, pick a game, and he goes downstairs.

十分钟后，他拿上来一个，我完全没听说过。

And ten minutes later, there's something, and it's nothing on my radar at all whatsoever ever.

对。

Sure.

因为他就是这样的人。

Because that's how he is.

但对客人，我会提前问，你有没有想玩的游戏？

But guests, it's or I say in advance, do you know of a game you would like to play?

你有

You have

嗯，这也缩小了选择范围。

Well, it also reduces the the decision space.

如果你把一个人放在一堵墙或一个游戏柜的架子前，那选择就太多了。

If you put somebody in front of a a wall or a shelf for a cabinet of games, that's a whole lot of choices.

但这里只有一摞四个。

But here's a stack of four.

哪个看起来有意思？

Which one looks interesting?

那就好选多了。

That is an easier choice.

或者提前问，你喜欢什么类型的游戏？

Or in advance, which is what gay what games are you into?

然后如果他们还要过来，我就可以提前帮他们摆好。

And then I and then if they're still coming over, I can already have it set up for them.

你还得注意你组里的人，因为约翰可能非常固执。

You also have to be cognizant of the people in your group because John might be very adamant.

他想玩他想玩的游戏。

He wants to play games, what he wants to play.

康妮也想和约翰一样玩很多游戏，但约翰会说，我想玩这个。

And Connie also wants to play games as much as John, but she John's like, I wanna play this.

康妮就会说，好吧。

Connie's like, okay.

如果你们组是这样，有时候你得说，康妮，你今晚想玩什么？

And everyone if that's your group, sometimes you have to be like, well, Connie, what do you wanna play tonight?

我们就玩那个。

We're gonna play that.

对。

Yep.

因为像我这样嗓门大的人很容易把别人都压过去。

Because the loud people like myself can easily run rampant over everybody else.

所以选人名单这个方法挺管用的。

Which is why the pick list works pretty well.

我喜欢这个选人名单。

I like the pick list.

我喜欢你给的那个假……

I like that you gave a fake

埃里克，别争选人名单了。

arguing the pick list, Eric.

我们支持你。

We got your back

对，支持你。

on it.

从来没有人取笑过选人名单。

No one has ever made fun of the pick list ever.

没有。

No.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

That's right.

接下来，说到吃的，如果你在策划一个活动，你会围绕一顿饭来安排吗？

Moving on to, food at at if you're planning an event, do you plan it around a meal?

是在两餐之间吗？

Is this in between meals?

是那种吃零食的活动，还是订披萨？

Is it a snack sort of event, or are you ordering pizza?

而且吃披萨的时候，你会离游戏远远的吗？

And are you staying far away from the games when you eat the pizza?

你怎么

How do you you

想知道这个。

sort wanna know that.

我觉得百分之百，食物的选择以及食物怎么安排这些事，完全由主人决定，如果带游戏的人不是主人的话，也可以听听他们的意见。

I think 100% that the choice of food and how food works and all that is 100% the host's decision with input from someone who might be bringing the game if if it's not the host.

但如果我在别人家，他们说玩游戏的时候不喝酒，那我就不在玩游戏的时候喝酒。

But if I'm at someone's house and they say, we don't drink around games, then I don't drink around the games.

没错。

Legit.

因为那是他们的家，他们说了算。

Because it's their house, their rules.

对。

Yep.

那还挺好笑的。

It was pretty funny.

上周在我们教会，我们有个星期天活动，我带了50种冰淇淋配料，弄了个大冰淇淋吧台什么的。

This past week at our church, we had Sunday, Sunday where I brought in 50 ice cream toppings with this big ice cream bar and everything.

活动结束后剩了好多，而这个周五我们教会要办游戏之夜。

And when we were done, there was a lot left over, and we're having a church game night this Friday.

牧师说，那就全带过去吧。

And pastor said, let's just bring it all there.

然后我游戏组里的一位女士说，想都别想。

And one of the ladies in the who's in my game group was like, over my dead body.

他说，什么？

He's like, what?

为什么？

Why?

我说，不行，牧师。

I was like, no, pastor.

还有，别带奇多。

Also, don't bring Cheetos.

你懂吧？

You know?

那挺好的。

That's very sweet.

那真是想得太周到了。

That's very thoughtful.

绝对不行。

Absolutely not.

不过我觉得有些小组是先吃饭再玩游戏。

But I think some groups, you eat first and you game.

我的意思是，如果你

I mean, if you

那样做的话，可以把它变成聚餐活动。

do that, you could turn it into a meal thing.

不过要是那样的话，你得商量一下食物的费用。

Although if you do that, you need to talk about costs of the food.

你是希望大家带东西来吗？

Are you expecting people to bring stuff?

你们是轮流做东吗？

Are you switching hosting nights?

你知道吗？

You know?

因为我觉得总会有人占这个便宜。

Because there's always gonna be someone who will take advantage of that, I feel.

也许你不在意。

And maybe you don't mind.

也许你会想，哎呀，我们赚到了。

Maybe you're like, ah, we got them.

但你要想清楚，游戏之间会不会休息一下，然后点外卖？

But just keep in mind, are you gonna take a break between games and order food?

这种情况也经常发生。

That happens a lot too.

比如，我们会先玩第一局，中途用DoorDash点外卖，然后再玩下一局之类的。

Like, we'll play our first game, and we'll DoorDash in the middle of it and then play the next game or whatever.

但我觉得你应该把吃的这块说清楚。

But I think you should be clear on food

那确实

That is as

是主持人。

the host.

没错。

That is true.

就是这样。

What it is.

不过对我来说，这也发生了变化。

And but, also, it it's evolved for me.

我记得我二十多岁时玩游戏的那群人，里面有来自Greenwire Games的Jeff。

Like, I feel like I remember my game group in my twenties, which included Jeff from Greenwire Games.

那时候我们喝了不少酒。

We there was a lot of adult beverages happening.

通常是整个周日，然后我们会点披萨。

It would be, like, all day Sunday, and then we'd order pizza.

而且，你知道，现在很多年过去了，出于很多原因，我再也不会那样做了。

And, you know, I would like, for many reasons, would never do that now many many years later.

所以设定预期很重要。

So setting expectations is important.

是的，我们有时候玩的是《Twilight Imperium》。

And, yeah, we'd be playing just sometimes it was Twilight Imperium.

有时候是《Arkham Horror》，我们会连续玩四个小时，然后吃披萨。

Sometimes it was Arkham Hora, where we would be playing four hours on a as a stretch and then eating pizza afterwards.

二十多岁的时候这样没问题，只要你想清楚，因为我觉得Jeff没想过，如果有人把酒洒在我的游戏上怎么办，而且桌上摊着五个扩展包。

And that's fine when you're in your twenties as long as ever, you know, you think about it because I feel like Jeff didn't think about what if people were to spill their adult beverages all over my game, and it's five expansions that we have out on the table.

对。

Yeah.

而现在，我们绝不会那样做了。

Whereas now, that would never be a thing we do.

现在，你知道，我有一次性筷子，如果你想吃点薯片，这样手指就不会碰到。

Now, you know, I have disposable chopsticks if you want to eat chips so that your fingers don't touch

而且，随着我们年纪增长，朱莉，我也不想总是九点才吃饭。

Well, also, as we get older, Julie, I don't always wanna eat at nine.

对。

Yeah.

不。

No.

那也挺好的。

That's good too.

他们就说，哦，我们会玩几局游戏，然后点披萨。

So they're like, oh, we'll play several games and then order pizza.

我就说，不。

I'm like, no.

我想先吃点东西。

I I wanna kinda eat.

对。

Right.

我要是九点才吃饭，那我的晚上就毁了。

I if I eat at nine, my night is ruined.

对。

Right.

所以如果我们六点还没开始准备晚饭，我就有问题了。

So If we don't have dinner in motion by six, I'm gonna have a problem.

还是你根本不吃晚饭？

Or are you having dinner at all?

对。

Right.

还是你直接过来？

Or are you coming in?

我喜欢吃零食。

I like snacks.

我喜欢提前准备好，你知道，我喜欢葡萄，因为……

I like having preplanned you know, I like grapes because

提前准备好的葡萄。

Preplanned grapes.

葡萄。

Grapes.

而且我买那种单独的，像零食包，就是独立包装的，打开就是自己的一袋，里面还有筷子，这样就不会弄脏手。

And I buy the individual like, the snack packs, like, individual servings where you open it and you have your own bag, and they have chopsticks so you don't get

顺便说一句，最棒的零食之一就是那些新出的冷冻水果，外面裹了一层像糖果一样的涂层。

any By the way, one of the greatest snacks ever are these new frozen fruits that are have, like, candy coatings on them.

这是汤姆第二次提到这个零食了。

This is the second time Tom has mentioned this snack.

是不是只有在Target才能买到的那种？

Is this the one you can only get at Target?

不是。

No.

我在沃尔玛也看到了。

I saw it at Walmart too.

我不怎么去

I don't shop

沃尔玛

at Walmart

买东西，所以不知道他们有这个。

very often, so I didn't know they had it.

而且沃尔玛还有个仿冒品牌。

And, also, Walmart had a knockoff brand.

那个冷冻的，在哪里？

The frozen where where are they?

你在哪儿找到这种

Where do you find such

东西的？

things?

就在冷冻水果那边，比如你买一袋冷冻草莓或蓝莓什么的那个区域。

They're they're near the frozen fruits, like, you buy a bag of frozen strawberries or blueberries or whatever.

明白了。

Noted.

我会去查一下。

I will investigate.

好的。

Okay.

那我们聊了规划、食物和待客。

So we talk about this, planning, food, host.

接下来就是请谁来家里。

Then there is who do you invite over?

这个话题有点棘手，因为我觉得待客有两种完全不同的方式。

So this is a tricky subject because I think there are two very different types of hosting.

一种是开放式活动。

There is the open event.

我办一个

I run a

教会，对。

church Yeah.

活动。

Event.

我的意思是，大家都来参加吧。

I'm saying, come on out.

你知道，我去游戏店。

You know, I I go to the game store.

我除了说‘来参加游戏活动’之外，别的什么都不能说。

I can legally not say anything other than come to the game event.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

游戏店老板是唯一能控制这个的人。

The game store owner the only person who has the control over that.

但如果是在我家，我就可以，而且一定会，我觉得我完全有权决定邀请谁进我家。

But if it's at my house, I can and will and I think have the absolute right to be picky as to who I invite into my home.

对。

Yeah.

确实。

It's true.

你在培养什么样的群体？

What what group are you cultivating?

这就要看今晚的目标是什么了。

And and that that comes down to the what is the goal of this night?

你明白吗？

You know?

是社交之夜吗？

Is it a social night?

是家庭聚会吗？

Is it a family gathering?

是更广泛的社交活动吗？

Is it a wider outreach sort of thing?

那就会完全改变宾客名单了。

And that's gonna change the guest list entirely.

而且，你知道吗，我认识几个退休的人，他们每周都有游戏之夜。

And, also, you you know, the I I've met several people now who are retired, who have these weekly game nights.

他们会说，哦，对。

They're like, oh, yeah.

周一是地牢探险之夜，周二是欧式游戏之夜，周三是和朋友聚会。

Monday is the dungeon crawl night, and Tuesday is the euro game night, and Wednesday is get together with friends.

那才是生活啊。

That's the life.

这就是目标，各位。

Goals, people.

是的。

Yep.

退休生活的目标。

Retirement goals.

但我们并不是都有那样的条件。

But we all don't knew nor we have that.

那你平时怎么安排？

So what do you do?

比如，每到周二，我都会跟人讲清楚。

Like, on my Tuesdays, I'm very clear with people.

我要玩新游戏。

I will be gaming new games.

对。

You Yep.

你可以来玩别的。

You can come play other stuff.

那没问题。

That's fine.

我不会拦你的。

I'm not gonna stop you.

他们来玩的话，如果跟我一起玩，很可能就是玩新游戏。

They go but if you're playing with me, it's likely gonna be new games.

所以我提前把期望说清楚。

So I set those expectations up ahead of time.

或者如果我想玩，比如我现在在玩《女王困境：传承》，我们会专门安排时间，就是这段时间。

Or if I want to play like, I'm currently playing through Queens The Queen's Dilemma Legacy, so we set that up specifically to like, this is the time.

这就是我们要玩的游戏。

This is the game we're gonna play.

对。

Right.

但如果你想搞一次性活动，就是玩一次就结束的那种，听起来更像是开放式的。

But if you're trying to do a one event, a one and done event, it sounds a little bit more like it's open ended.

如果是开放式的，我觉得那要看情况。

And if it's open ended I guess it depends.

即使不是这样。

Even if it isn't.

我记得有一年过生日，我想邀请很多人，不只是我平时的游戏小组。

I can remember one year for my birthday, I wanted to invite a bunch of people and not just my regular gaming group.

我说，我生日那天想玩桌游。

And I said, for my birthday, I would like to play board games.

这是我带到外面场地（不是我家）的桌游清单。

Here is the list of board games I will bring to my party at an outside venue, like in not my house.

现场有零食，但如果你想额外买吃的，那得自己掏钱。

There were snacks available, but, you know, if you wanted to buy food above and beyond that, that was that was on you.

这些是我那天想玩的游戏，但我还会带其他游戏，以防你们在我玩的时候想玩别的。

And these are the games I would like to play of this list, but I'm bringing these other games in case you wanna play while I'm playing.

这不是为了收礼物。

This isn't about getting presents.

这是为了体验，而这就是我想要的体验。

This is about having an experience, and this is the experience I want to have.

所以，我，我，是的。

So I I Yeah.

我真的是把期望值定好了，然后把它当作我的生日礼物。

I literally set the expectation and and set it as, that's my birthday present.

所以如果这不是你最喜欢的事情，那也没关系。

So if this is not your favorite thing, that's okay.

但你给我的礼物就是忍受它。

But your present to me is to put up with it.

但那是一次很棒的时光，因为我有，你知道，我为那些说“我不是真正的游戏玩家，但我想来玩玩，打个招呼”的人准备了派对游戏。

But but it was a great time because I had, you know, I had party games for the people who are like, I'm not really a gamer, but I wanted to come hang out and say hi.

而且我也有我想玩的更高级的游戏。

And I had the more advanced games for that I wanted to play.

而且，你知道，想玩那些游戏的人基本上已经预先报名了他们想玩哪些。

And, you know, the people who want to play those had kind of pre signed up for which ones they wanted to play.

我们都围坐在一起，度过了一段美好的时光。

We all sat around, and we had a lovely time.

而且我确保每场游戏之间都有时间，这样我就可以去跟那些没和我一起玩游戏的人打个招呼，他们玩的时候我过去看看。

And I made sure that there was time in between each game so that the people that I wasn't playing games with, I could go say hi to while they were playing their games.

那真的很棒，但我为这个设定了一个非常非常明确的心理预期，就是

And it was great, but I set a very, very specific expectation for

这个。

it.

不错。

Nice.

我想说，我希望将来能多聊聊在开放场所办活动的事，比如在教堂、学校或者任何地方，好吗？

I want to say that I would like to, in the future, talk more about running an open event, like at a church or at a school or wherever Okay.

因为我觉得那套参数很不一样。

Because I feel like it's a very different set of parameters.

不过我还是想聊聊邀请别人来家里玩时要注意的几件事。

So but I do wanna talk about a few things when you invite people over to your house.

比如对游戏不感兴趣的孩子或者配偶。

Kids and or spouses who aren't interested in gaming.

不允许。

Not allowed.

嗯，再说一遍，

Well, again,

你需要

you need

作为主人，要明确这一点。

to be clear as the host what that is.

孩子可以来吗？

Are kids allowed to come?

如果可以，你有什么期望？

And if so, what are your expectations?

因为我听过一些家长玩游戏时的恐怖故事，他们的孩子同时在家里搞破坏。

Because I heard horror stories from parents who are gaming, their kids are meanwhile ripping up the house.

而且你的孩子，我知道，是最好的，是的。

And your kids, I know, are the best, and Yes.

绝对不会那样做。

Never do any of that.

但我认为有这个期望是好的。

But it I think that expectation is good.

有时候你可能有孩子，其他人也可以带他们的孩子来，他们可以一起玩之类的。

Sometimes you're you will have kids maybe, and other people can bring their kids, and they can play together and stuff.

那效果非常好。

That works fantastic.

但再说一次，我觉得需要有这个期望。

But, again, I think there needs to that expectation.

我周二晚上的游戏之夜，是不允许带孩子的，因为这样能解决很多不同的问题。

On my Tuesday game nights, it is a no kids allowed situation, And that is just because it's just solves a lot of different issues.

我这个周末在教堂举办一个游戏之夜，是允许带孩子的。

I'm I'm running a game night at my church this this this weekend that is kids allowed.

情况不一样。

It's different.

但我觉得你需要提前把这些事情说清楚，如果能做到的话，就能省去一大堆争吵。

But you need to keep I think you need to if if you can clarify this stuff ahead of time, you will save yourself a world of arguments.

还有伤感情的事。

And hurt feelings

对。

Yes.

还有误会。

And misunderstandings.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

那些方面。

Of that.

对。

Yeah.

确实。

For sure.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

如果允许孩子参加，一定要准备一些非游戏类的活动。

And if kids are allowed, make sure there are some nongame things to do.

不要只摆一堆桌游，就指望他们能像玩《地球》的小组那样一直玩下去。

Don't just set up a bunch of hobby games and expect that they'll be playing as long as the group playing Earth.

让他们看《指环王》就行，嗯。

Just have them watch Lord of the Rings Mhmm.

整个系列。

The the entire series.

你就没问题了。

You'll be fine.

这就对了。

There you go.

另外，我想聊聊去参加游戏之夜的事，因为我们刚在讨论自己办一个。

The other thing is I wanna talk about going to a game night because we're talking about hosting one.

作为一个经常办游戏之夜的人，如果我去别人办的游戏之夜，我得记住那是他们的游戏之夜。

And as someone who likes to host game nights all the time, if I go to someone else's game night, I need to remember it's their game night.

是他们的。

It's theirs.

对。

Yes.

我知道这听起来很明显，但我到了那儿就会想，什么？

I know that sounds like a very obvious thing, but I'll get there and be like, what?

你会那样做？

You do that?

是的。

Yeah.

那可不是……

That's that's not how

我会这么做的。

I would do it.

调整一下你的预期。

Reset your expectations.

别把别人的游戏之夜变成你的主场。

Don't just take over their night.

对。

Yes.

别这么做。

Don't do it.

各位，我很想听听你们关于游戏之夜的建议和心得。

Folks, I would love to hear from you all on your tips and things for game nights.

我们有Facebook论坛或者Discord。

We have Facebook forums or in a Discord.

欢迎你们去那里分享。

Be great for you to go in there.

有人在Dice Tower上开个帖子，我会在Facebook上置顶，因为我希望大家能互相交流，我觉得我们都能帮彼此把游戏之夜办得更好。

Someone start a thread on the on the Dice Tower, and I'll pin it on the Facebook because I would love people to go back and forth because I think we can all help each other make game nights really good.

讲讲你的恐怖故事，这样我们就能避开那些坑。

Tell your horror stories so we can avoid them.

讲讲你的成功经验，这样我们就能照着做。

Tell your stories of success so we can emulate that.

对。

Yeah.

听起来不错。

That sounds great.

我觉得期望值可能是这一切中最大的教训。

I think expectations is probably the biggest lesson from all of this.

别指望那些只想围着零食聊天的人会去玩《Twilight Imperium》。

Don't expect that the social group that wants to hang around the snacks is going to play Twilight Imperium.

如果你想让游戏上桌，你得培养你想要的群体。

You need to cultivate the group that you want if you're getting games to the table.

确实。

Indeed.

说到恐怖故事，对。

Speaking of horror Yes.

现在，再来一个桌游恐怖故事。

And now, another tale of board gaming horror.

天哪。

Oh my.

太可怕了。

That's horrific.

孩子们，围过来。

Gather round, children.

差不多十年前，我刚结婚，很快就迷上了这个爱好。

Almost a decade ago, I was newly married and quickly getting into the hobby.

和很多人一样，我入坑桌游是从《卡坦岛》开始的。

My entrance into the hobby, like many others, was Catan.

我大学期间一直在玩，后来搬到地球另一边的时候也带上了它。

I played it throughout college and brought it with me when I moved across the world.

我在那里玩卡坦岛有很多美好的回忆，甚至还教过一些当地的朋友。

I have many great memories of playing Catan there and even teaching some of my local friends.

不幸的是，我们不得不突然离开家，再也没有回去过。

Sadly, we had to leave our home unexpectedly, never to go back.

那时候，我已经有了一些其他经典游戏，比如《 dominion》和《七大奇迹》，于是决定把它们和其他一些东西一起寄回去。

By that time, I had some of the other evergreen games like Dominion and Seven Wonders and decided to ship them back along with some of our other stuff.

一个朋友好心帮我整理并打包了这些游戏。

A friend kindly went through my games and packed them up for us.

我焦急地等着那个箱子，担心它会碎成一千片。

I waited impatiently for the box, worried that it would arrive in a thousand pieces.

最后，它到的时候状态还不错，只是游戏盒有些磨损，还有几张《七大奇迹：对决》的卡牌折了。

Finally, it arrived in fairly good shape with only some wear and tear on the game boxes and some bent seven wonders duel cards.

当我翻看箱子的时候，总觉得少了点什么。

As I looked through the box, I could tell something was missing.

我的《卡坦岛》去哪儿了？

Where was my copy of Settlers of Catan?

我往箱子角落一看，心一下子沉了下去。

I glanced in the corner of the box, and what I saw made my heart sink.

那是《卡坦岛》的骰子版。

It was Settlers of Catan, the dice game.

我那位不玩桌游的热心朋友，装错了游戏。

My helpful non board gaming friend had packed the wrong game.

和很多玩家一样，我的收藏越来越多，玩《卡坦岛》的次数也越来越少。

As has happened to many other gamers, my collection grew, and I found myself playing Catan less.

但我对那套游戏还是有特别的感情，毕竟它给我和朋友们留下了那么多回忆。

But I still had a soft spot for my copy that it made so many memories for me and my friends.

去年，我去拜访另一个朋友，他比我晚一点搬回来。

Last year, I was visiting another friend who had also moved back not long after me.

我们聊起各自的爱好时，他说，嘿。

When we started talking about our hobbies, he said, hey.

你知道吗，你的那套《卡坦岛》最后在我们这儿了。

Did you know that we ended up with your copy of Settlers?

你想要回去吗？

Do you want it back?

我很高兴知道我的游戏找到了一个好归宿，所以当然就留给他了。

I was happy to know that my game had found a good home, so I, of course, left the game with him.

不过，有时候我还是会想，如果这些年我一直留着我的那套《卡坦岛》，会留下多少回忆呢。

Still, sometimes I wonder what memories could have been made if I had my copy of Catan over all those years.

那也不算太糟糕。

That's not that horrible.

我是说，开头那个人说了，谢谢你的建议，我不确定这算不算恐怖故事。

I mean, at the top, this person said, thanks for the con I don't know if this qualifies as a tale of horror.

所以我觉得

So I think

你玩过《卡坦岛》骰子游戏吗？

have you played Katana Dice game?

太糟糕了。

It's horrible.

账单。

Billing.

确实不太好。

It's it's not great.

我懂，我懂。

It's the the I get it.

打开一看，说请打包我的某款游戏，结果他们装错了，装成了那个，你知道的，错的，比如小马宝莉优诺牌之类的，而不是原本要的那个。

Opening up and and say, please pack my copy of blank, and they packed the, you know, the wrong one, the the My Little Pony Uno or whatever instead of whatever.

小马宝莉优诺牌？

My Little Pony Uno?

不是。

No.

我不知道。

I don't.

大概吧。

Probably.

我敢打赌，是的。

I would I would wager yes.

我前几天刚看到有人在网上发帖说，我买了个二手的《瘟疫危机：传承》，然后我读了游戏规则。

I I just saw someone post online the other day that they said, I bought a copy of pandemic legacy secondhand, and then I read up about how the game works.

我在想我是不是

I'm wondering if I

犯了个错误。

made a mistake.

什么？

What?

而且那还不是最糟的，有些游戏你还能重置呢。

And that's not even more the ones you can reset.

对。

Yeah.

还有人在帖子里说，我刚接触桌游不久。

Someone else said, you know, in the thread, they're like, I'm kinda new to gaming.

什么是传承机制？这有什么问题吗？

What is legacy, and why is this a problem?

我觉得他说得对。

And I thought, that's true.

如果你不知道的话，

If you don't know

如果你不知道的话。

If you don't know.

就会觉得这游戏听起来挺有意思的。

Be like, that game sounds interesting.

对。

Yep.

但卖这游戏的人可真不厚道。

But boo to the person who sold it.

会说你坏话的。

Will say on you.

这个故事对我们来说可能不算什么恐怖故事，但对罗伯特来说，绝对是。

This is this particular story may not be really so much a tale of horror for us, but for Robert, absolutely.

他是那种完全不愿意扔掉自己披风的人。

Somebody who doesn't like to get rid of their capes at all whatsoever.

他的脑子就是这么想的。

This is how his brain works.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

失去的潜力真是令人痛心。

The lost potential is devastating.

哦，我在想，你们俩或者你们的配偶，最多买过多少次同一款游戏？

Oh, I wonder, like, what's the most times either of you or any spouses of you have bought the same game?

哦。

Oh.

有过好几次。

There have been a handful.

倒不完全是买同一款游戏，虽然确实有

It wasn't so much bought the same game, although there have

过几次。

been a couple.

你卖了或者换了，然后你又想，我真的很想要它。

You sold it and traded it, then you're like, I really want it.

是的。

Yep.

是的。

Yep.

没有。

No.

有过几次，比如我们俩没告诉对方，就支持了同一个众筹项目。

There was there's been a couple, like, where where we back the same crowdfunding without telling each other.

这种情况发生过几次。

There have been a couple of those.

同一个圣诞节，我收到了两份《布偶大富翁》。

I received two copies of Muppets monopoly the same Christmas.

哎呀。

Aw.

那太可爱了。

That's adorable.

那挺好的。

That was nice.

对。

Yep.

对。

Yep.

太棒了。

That's amazing.

而且我觉得我买过一个小扩展包，不止一次。

And I think I've purchased an a small expansion more than once.

我忘了自己已经有了，又买了一次，或者同一个赠品拿了好几次。

I forgot I already had it and bought it again or gotten the same promo more than once.

这太容易了。

That's super easy.

是的。

Yeah.

去年，我正打算去实现我的宏伟梦想。

Last year, I was going to my delusions of grandeur.

我本来以为我要把我们整个库存都编个目录。

I thought I was going to catalog our entire, inventory as it were.

好。

Good.

你弄到哪一步了？

How far did you get?

对。

Yep.

没有。

Nope.

在GGG上，这样我们俩就能看到彼此在世界各地的位置，还有我们有哪些游戏。

On GGG so that we'd have a place where we could both see wherever we were in the world, what games we had.

所以这确实是个挑战。

So because that is that is definitely a challenge.

至少他有他的心愿单，我有我的心愿单。

I at least have my he has his wish list, and I have my wish list.

所以我们很清楚，如果看到某些游戏，那肯定是必买的。

So we know specifically if we see certain games that those are a definite yes.

我们俩谁都可以直接买下来。

Either one of us can pick them up.

不过，是的，这种情况确实会发生。

But, yeah, that happens.

有时候确实会这样。

That happens sometimes.

不过没有以前那么频繁了。

Not as much as it used to.

我们现在在沟通方面做得挺好的。

We're we're pretty good now about checking in.

说到游戏，那我们就来聊聊吧。

Well, speaking of games, let's talk about them.

好，那就开始吧。

Let's do it.

好的。

Alright.

人们说每朵玫瑰都有刺，但不是每朵玫瑰都有呼啦圈。

They say that every rose has its thorn, but not every rose has a Hula Hoop.

你们俩

Both of

都有我想听的事情。

you have things I wanna hear about.

那谁先来？

So who wants to go first?

除非是你应该

Unless it's You should

因为你的东西显然很无聊。

since your stuff's boring, apparently.

好的。

Alright.

我的东西很无聊。

My stuff's boring.

我要聊一个无聊的IP，叫《星球大战》。

I'm gonna talk about a boring IP called Star Wars.

所以我有机会在Gen Con上玩《星球大战》的卡牌构筑游戏。

So I had the opportunity to play the Star Wars deck building game at Gen Con.

那其实是个特别活动。

It was actually a special event.

我有幸和设计师Caleb Grace坐在一起玩这个游戏。

I got to sit with the designer, Caleb Grace, and play this game.

我之前玩过一次，但能听到他对这些的想法真的很酷。

I had played once before, but it was really cool getting to hear, you know, his thoughts on all of this.

《星球大战：卡牌构筑游戏》最初设计为两人对战，一人扮演义军，一人扮演帝国。

A Star Wars The Deckbuilding Game, is originally designed as a two player, one v one, one, player playing the Rebels, one playing the Empire.

它有很多卡牌构筑的元素。

It it is it has a lot of deckbuilding things.

你通过生成货币来从中间那排买卡，同时还要攻击对手的基地。

You're generating currency, to buy cards from the center row, and you're trying to attack the base of your opponent.

但它有一些很酷的设计，让它与众不同。

But it has some really cool things that make it different.

比如，卡牌大致分成三部分。

Like, the cards are sort of split up in thirds.

牌库中三分之一属于帝国，三分之一属于义军，还有三分之一是中立的。

There is one third of the deck belongs to the Empire, one belongs to the, the Rebels, and one are neutral.

那三分之一是中立的卡牌，它们会根据归属方在中间那排摆放。

The third the third third is neutral cards, and they get oriented in that center row based on who owns it.

如果那张卡属于你，你就可以买下来，招募进你的牌组。

And if you own that card, quote, unquote, you can buy it, recruit it into your deck.

但如果是对方阵营的卡，你可以进行赏金猎杀，用攻击把它从牌堆里打掉，还能获得一些奖励。

But if it is the opposite team's card, you can bounty hunt them and use attack to knock them off the row and get some sort of reward.

所以，如果我玩帝国阵营，我会把汉·索罗打掉，这样义军玩家就没机会用他了，而且我还能因此获得丰厚的奖励。

So I can say if I'm playing the imperials, knock out Han Solo so that the rebel player doesn't get a chance to use him, plus I get a big reward for doing so.

非常酷。

Very cool.

我喜欢这种玩法。

I like how that works.

那么这次有什么新内容呢，我说的是这个系统的两个扩展包。

So what's new about this, I'm I'm talking about two expansions to the system.

一个是曼达洛人阵营包，显然增加了曼达洛人自己的卡牌以及他们的互动方式。

One is the Mandalorian faction pack, which obviously adds the Mandalorians its own set of cards and the way they they interact.

格罗古也在卡组里。

Grogu is in the deck.

是的。

Yes.

但它也可以变成三人游戏。

But it can also turn it into a three player game.

所以你把卡组分成三份，我只能从相邻的两行买卡，可以攻击任意一个玩家，从两边的两行买卡，但不能碰第三行。

So you you, like, split up the deck into thirds, and I'm only buying cards from there's, a row in between each neighbor, and I can attack either player and buy cards from two separate rows neighboring each side, but I can't interact with the third row.

这一切融合在一起，真的很巧妙。

Really neat how it all comes together.

游戏鼓励你分散攻击，而不是只针对一个玩家。

There's incentives for splitting up your attacks so that you're not just ganging up on one player.

实际上，要获胜，你必须摧毁两个对手的基地。

In fact, in order to win, you have to have taken out bases from both opponents.

而且，我记得是五个基地，但至少有两个必须来自每个对手。

And and then, you know, I think it's five bases, but two, at least two, have to come from each of your opponents.

它利用游戏机制来分散攻击，衔接得很自然。

Neat how it uses the mechanisms of the game pretty, you know, seamlessly to, to split up those attacks.

这种玩法非常有趣，我非常享受。

It was a very fun way to play and and enjoyed that tremendously.

但我最喜欢的是这个新扩展包，叫《义军与帝国增援包》，它给好人和坏人阵营都增加了更多卡牌。

But my favorite is this new expansion called the Rebel and Empire Reinforcements Pack, which adds a whole bunch more cards for the good guys and bad guys.

但你不能只是把它们混进牌堆里。

But you don't just mix them into the deck.

你得完成任务才能拿到尤达。

You have to complete missions to say get Yoda.

所以如果你完成任务，就要花资源来加到这个上面。

So if you complete a mission, you're spending resources to add to this thing.

你完成了它。

You complete it.

现在尤达就进你的牌组了。

Now you get Yoda into your deck.

然后你就有一张很酷的卡了。

And now you got a really cool card.

那太好了。

That's great.

等这些都搞定后，还有一个战役模式，你可以升级你的初始牌组。

When it's all done, there is a campaign mode where you then get to upgrade your starter deck.

而且，嘿，这局你解锁了尤达。

And, hey, you unlocked Yoda this game.

你想把尤达放进主卡组吗？

Do you wanna put Yoda in the main deck?

是的，请放进去。

Yes, please.

然后你要决定从主卡组里移除哪张义军卡牌，这样尤达就进主卡组了。

So then you decide which rebel card gets removed from the main deck so that Yoda is now in the main deck.

但现在尤达在第二局的主卡组里，反派可以悬赏追捕他，奖励很丰厚。

But now Yoda's in the main deck for game number two, and it can be bounty hunted by the bad guys, for a big reward.

所以我是在冒这个险。

So I'm taking that risk.

我以后还能招募尤达吗，还是说我给对手摆了个大靶子？

Will I get to recruit Yoda in the future, or am I putting a juicy target out there for my opponent?

这样持续四局，不断建立和摧毁基地。

This goes on for four games building up and and taking out, bases.

我觉得大概要打三局基础游戏，然后升级整个系统。

You play, like, I think, three base games, and upgrading the whole system.

然后谁赢了第五局，谁就赢下整个比赛。

And then whoever wins the fifth game wins the whole thing.

而且那种慢节奏的组牌过程，我真的很喜欢。

And all that whole slow motion deck building thing really you know, I I really like that.

这让我特别兴奋。

That that gets my gears going.

扩展包做得非常扎实。

Really solid expansions.

这个系统本身非常好。

The the system is very good.

我没想到我会这么喜欢它。

I I did not think I would like it as much as I did.

我一开始其实觉得，对，

I went in sort of thinking, yeah.

这不过是个普通的组牌游戏，只是主题做得不错。

This is a pretty standard deck builder just sort of themed nicely.

这就像是一个呼啦圈，一个华丽的呼啦圈，一个闪闪发亮的呼啦圈，就是《星球大战：卡牌构筑游戏》，尤其是《曼达洛人》和《义军与帝国增援》。

This was a hula hoop, a a glorious hula hoop, a glittery hula hoop of, Star Wars The Deckbuilding Game, especially The Mandalorian and the Rebel and Empire reinforcements.

不错。

Nice.

我以为我会喜欢的那款，这个绝对也是一朵玫瑰，虽然我们才刚刚开始玩《禁忌遗产》。

The one I thought I would like, this was definitely a rose, as well, although we are just delving into Forbidden Legacy.

这款是我在Gen Con上真的很想看的。

This was one that I really, wanted to see at Gen Con.

我真的很希望能拿到一份。

I was really hoping to get a copy.

这是《禁忌》系列的最终章，从地图上看。

This is the finale of the Forbidden series, from the map.

反正他们是这么说的。

That's what they say anyway.

确实是，我玩过那个

It is it is I played the

最后一个领地扩展我玩了六次。

last dominion expansion six times.

没错。

That's true.

确实如此。

That is true.

我觉得这感觉像是终章。

I think this feels final.

所以之前已经有四款禁忌系列的游戏，这一款在剧情上。

So there have been four forbidden games leading up to this, and this does plot wise.

你一直在岛屿、沙漠、天空、浮空平台，然后丛林之间跳跃。

You've been jumping from island to desert to, the sky, the floating platform, and then the jungle.

现在你正试图回家，进入了这片神秘的土地，你将穿越时空，与这片土地互动，我想，这跨越了七个不同的游戏。

And now you are trying to get home, and you have entered this mysterious land, and you're going to travel through time and interact with this land over the course of, I think, it's seven different games.

我不会深入讲那些变化具体是什么。

Not gonna get too far into what those changes are.

第一，因为我们还没玩到那么远。

One, because we haven't gotten that far.

孩子上大学去了，我们还没完成呢。

The kid left for college before we could finish anything.

但另外，我也不想剧透。

But also, I don't wanna spoil anything.

不过我会聊聊第一款游戏，它跟《禁岛》非常像。

But I will talk about the first game, which is very much like Forbidden Island.

你一开始。

You you start out.

你有一堆板块，摆成网格状，你要收集各种符号和彩色棋子，把它们放进那个绝对就是星门的东西里。

You've got tiles in this grid in a in a pattern, and you are trying to collect various sigils colored pieces that go in what is absolutely the stargate.

你有个大塑料玩意儿，要把宝石插进星门里，那挺酷的。

It you have this big plastic thing, and you're you're going to plug in these gems into the stargate, and that is cool.

它比《禁岛》稍微复杂一点。

It is slightly more complex than Forbidden Island.

这些卡片是多用途的。

The cards are multiuse cards.

它们不仅有颜色，还有其他的符号、数字和属性。

They have both a color, but also other symbols, numbers, aspects to them.

这跟游戏玩法有关，因为你需要找到宝石，这需要弄清楚坐标。

And this comes into the way the gameplay works, because you have to locate the the gems, and that requires sort of figuring out coordinates.

这些卡片上有颜色、数字和符号。

There's like, a color and there's a number and there's a symbol on these cards.

你打出三张牌，宝石就会出现。

And you play a trio of them, and that's where the gem shows up.

你甚至不需要站在那里。

And you don't even need to be standing there.

我有一张红色的、一张数字2和一张方形的。

I have a a red and a two and a square.

对。

Yep.

那块地砖确实在棋盘上。

That that tile exists on the board.

我会把这些都打出来，然后它就会出现。

I'm gonna play all these, and that shows up.

红色的宝石就会出现在那里。

The the red gem shows up there.

然后你需要凑齐同色的组合，才能拿到那颗宝石，并把它带到该去的地方。

And then you have to get clusters of colors to then acquire that gem and carry it, to where it needs to go.

这些多功能卡真的让《禁岛》的系统变得更加开放，我觉得特别酷。

And those multiuse, it really opens up the Forbidden Island system, which I found really cool.

而且从第一局开始，这就让这个游戏比很多其他游戏更有趣。我一直觉得《禁岛》有点像简化版的《瘟疫危机》，但因为有这些多功能卡，它已经更有意思了。

And and just already, even from game one, makes this a more interesting game than many of the I've always thought of Forbidden Island as sort of a simplistic pandemic, but it's already more interesting because of those multiuse cards.

然后你要升级这些卡。

And then you're going to upgrade those.

你要给一些东西贴上贴纸。

You're going to add some stickers to things.

当然，游戏结束时你会解锁奖励。

Of course, you unlock rewards at the end of the game.

故事书的呈现方式真的很酷。

The way the storybook is presented is really cool.

它就像一本大的，几乎是硬纸板书，像小孩的硬纸板书，里面有漫画，还有你知道的，故事什么的，你解锁或者弹出每个单独游戏的玩家辅助卡，之后你可以回去玩。

It's just like a big, almost a board book, like a kid's board book with comics and, you know, stories and stuff, you unlock or or pop out the, the player aids for each individual game, which you will then be able to go back and play.

我觉得等这个完成后，你可以回去把每个不同的冒险当作独立的内容来玩，这挺酷的。

I think when this is done, you can go back and play, each of these different adventures as a standalone thing, which is pretty cool.

到目前为止，我非常满意。

Very, very happy with it so far.

还有一些东西我甚至不知道是干什么的。

There's also some stuff that I don't even know what it does.

你解锁一些东西，发现一些东西，然后把它们标记在你的玩家档案上，它们会有某种作用，问号。

You unlock things, you discover things, and you mark them on your player folio, and they'll do something, question mark.

我还不知道，但我得等孩子从大学回来才能继续玩，我真的很想玩《禁忌传承》。

I don't know yet, but I gotta wait for the kid to come back from college before we can play more, and I really want to Forbidden Legacy.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得挺有意思的。

I mean, I think it's interesting.

我觉得这是个好产品。

I think it's a good product.

我确实觉得它挺有意思的。

I I I find it interesting.

感觉就像是在同一个盒子里拿到了好几个不同的游戏。

It feels like you're getting a bunch of different games in the same box.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我还没……对。

I haven't yeah.

走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

到目前为止，我挺喜欢的。

So far, I'm enjoying it.

我很好奇它最后会发展成什么样。

I'm I'm curious to see where it ends up.

我觉得真正的问题，最大的问号，就是它能不能完美收尾。

Does it stick the landing, I guess, is the is the real question, the big question mark.

但到目前为止，我对它非常非常满意。

But so far, I'm very, very happy with it.

有道理。

Fair enough.

好的。

Alright.

朱莉，你呢？

Julie, what about you?

跟我们说说你最近在玩的一些多人游戏吧。

Tell us about some multiplayer games you've been playing.